They walk through the flashlight through the tunnel where the storage room was located and observed and pointed out surveillance cameras. nothing questionable about that. then on june 27th, 2022, de oliveira walked to the i.t. office, we are mar-a-lago i.t. employee was working with another employee in the i.t. department. the de oliveira request of the trump employee floor for, and we re gonna talk about trump employee for a lot, stepped away office so that the de oliveira and trump employee for could talk. the man went into a closet together, doesn t seem sketchy at all, where they had this conversation, which sounds like something out of the sopranos. i m just going to read directly here from the indictment. they de oliveira told employee four that their constant conversations with should really between the two of them. he has then asked trump employee four, how many days the servers retained footage. trump employee four responded that he believed that it was
Probably the final nail in the coffin. very mob like. i want to turn to another case. so much legal news today. harry, you posted today about the meeting between trump and his lawyers, that it was and trump wasted that it was telling that trump posted about it. why was it telling, and what did it tell you? it told me what trump expects to offer as a defense that we haven t heard. he has hinted at it. that is advice of counsel. he says three things, i did nothing wrong, that s a nonstarter, then the second is, lawyers told me to do this, okay we should talk about that another time but it s a very complicated kind of defense and makes him have to give up a lot of information. and then finally the kind of ultimate in chutzpah, it will only be further, further damage to our country, in other words, i ve left us in rule ruins in if you indict me for it will burn even the centers in
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Going on down there in florida. obviously we were all focused on washington, d.c., we don t even know about the superseding indictment. we were focused elsewhere. but we don t yet know what else they have, what other cards prosecutors have to play. either they don t need nauta or de oliveira to flip, it would be helpful if they did, but it might not be essential to prove their case. one of the charges is about this iran war plan document that trump is on audio talking about. how significant is it that there is audio of him talking about it? does that matter? it s always significant to have the audio. now they have a document. that was only sort of a question mark out there because the former president, through integration had made it seem like maybe it was just bluster, maybe it was a newspaper, who knows? it turns out the document is real, and they ve got, it and they got it back, and they say when they got it back because he returned the documents to the national archives in
Indictments so that people are connecting with it? and what, if any mistakes you see people making out there? i think that this is tricky for president biden because he does not want to, and should not comment on a legal process. especially since the department of justice is involved here. but i actually think biden can say, look, it is not appropriate for me to comment on the legal process but he can say what he said before. in the lead up to the 2022 midterms. which is the former president, he did what no president in american history has done before. he refused to accept the results of the election. he tried to overturn that election, he incited an insurrection and in we care about democracy we cannot allow you to be president again. he is going to have to comment on the legal case, he can make the case against donald trump otherwise, and he could also point to the fact the republicans and donald trump clearly want to relive the 2020 election over and over and over again, and they
Down there under the 10% line, is basically everyone else. so right now none of these legal issues seem to be hurting donald trump with hard-core republicans. the general election is an entirely different animal. joining me now is someone who have done multiple presidential campaigns with, why no spends way too much time thinking about polls on the rollercoaster, and donald trump. and explaining all of that as the host of the podcast, pod save america. i ve been reading through this indictment, i have a lot of nerdy post-it notes here, but i really wanted, hard same, i wanted to ask you, when you step back from all these indictments, including the new one, it provides a lot of thought for republicans. this is a massive, what we would call an opposition research book in politics but it seems like you are dammed if you do and you are down and if you don t and nothing really works. is there something, as you ve been watching this and thinking about it, they haven t tried
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Transcription. but it would be a lot for employee 4, the i.t. director, to remember all this by memory, and obviously prosecutors want to be able to back it up. they re going to need to be able to put someone on the witness stand to ascend to kate that. they re not going to put on the i.t. director who threw hearsay is saying i was told the boss wanted it done. they need direct evidence. well, not our hasn t flipped. de oliveira, the new defendant, we don t know anything about him flipping. do they need one of them to make this a stronger case? or could they do it without? that it would be helpful to them, but i m not sure it s essential. we know from reporting the prosecutors did try hard to get knotted to flip previously before charging him, and so far he hasn t shown any indication to doing that however we are still in the early stages of this. as far as we understand, this grand jury is still active. we don t know other witnesses other testimony or what else is
Yet. pointing out that the guy they are running against is a criminal and has been indicted multiple times. chris christie is doing that and he, i know that you just had him on, and he still doesn t seem to be breaking through, you know, through double digits. yeah, the problem is the republican base. and the problem is also republican politicians who have been defending donald trump for years now. and there is a poll of the other day, i look at a lot of polls, that said 50% of republican voters do not even believe that donald trump had classified documents at mar-a-lago. this is something donald trump admitted himself that he had classified documents. he just thinks he deserved it. and the voters still, the republican voters still do not want to believe it, they don t believe, it whatever it is. that is because a lot of them are in a closed information environment where they are hearing fox news, they are
Double digits. yeah, the problem is the republican base. and the problem is also republican politicians who have been defending donald trump for years now. and there is a poll of the other day, i look at a lot of polls, that said 50% of republican voters do not even believe that donald trump had classified documents at mar-a-lago. this is something donald trump admitted himself that he had classified documents. he just thinks he deserved it. and the voters still, the republican voters still do not want to believe it, they don t believe, it whatever it is. that is because a lot of them are in a closed information environment where they are hearing fox news, they are hearing other right wing propaganda, so all the information they consume is about how joe biden s government is out to get donald trump, and donald trump didn t do anything wrong. i do think in a primary, good for chris christie, good for the republicans out there trying to make the case, i do think if you are going to spe