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painter of portraits. he died at 28. in eight years he produced a body of work that was phenomenal and is one of the three major austrian artists we have in neue galerie. and he is unique. we have opened a show of portraits. his portraits have so much power, so interesting. his self-portraits, even, full of sex and errot cism. >> charlie: we conclude with tory burch, fashion designer and entrepreneur. >> in five years, three stores, that was the business plan. i had big hopes and aspirations. when i was trying to raise money and wanted to start a brand, i had no idea. >> charlie: you thought ralph lauren. >> yeah, i knew i wanted to start a foundation and be part of the business plan. >> charlie: richard cohen, ron lauder and tory burch next. captioning sponsored by rose communications from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. >> charlie: richard cohen is here. he is a nationally syndicated columnist for "the washington post," sparked a controversy in 2006 when he opened his column with this sentence "the greatest mistake israel could make at the moment is to forget israel is a mistake." the response prompted him to explore his own history in a new book, "israel: is it good for the jews." pleased to have richard cohen at this table. well come. >> good to be here. >> charlie: tell me about that 2006 column and what happened afterward. >> well, i wrote it in the course of israel was once again at war this time with hesbollah in the north and you could see the pattern going back and forth, incessant war and terrorism. i used the word "mistake" which was a big mistake. but i couldn't come up with another word to describe the plight of israel as being a nation of 6 million jews surrounded by, i don't know, 100 million arabs, whatever the figure may b and this continuing incessant warfare which was going on and on. the reaction was incredible. i mean, i got my head taken off. a lot of people were very angry at me. >> charlie: what did they say and who were they? i don't mean specific names but where were they coming from and -- >> well, i mean, it was readers. and then also people who just happen to know me. i'i remember one guy stopped men the street and said, i heard you wrote this. so it was out there kind of in rumorville. but there were others who were more disturbing to me which were people i thought were sympathetic to israel who embraced me as someone who had gone over to the other side and now critical of israel. here was a jew who was critical of israel and i was embraced for that. >> charlie: and they were saying, you said what i'm thinking? >> yeah, it made me very uncomfortable because it wasn't what i was thinking. >> charlie: because you used the wrong word? >> i used the wrong word. i don't know to this day what's a better word for saying, look, in effect, if you wanted to find a place in the world that was safe and secure, you picked the wrong place. >> charlie: so what was there between that time and the response of that column and the beginning of this book? >> well, you know, time went by and i decided i was going to expand the column. as i started to expand on the column and do reading and look into what the situation was, i came around to changing my mind because i don't think israel is a mistake. i think it was inevitability and has great utility and essential. the second thing is history opened itself up. i became enraptured by it and i became very impressed not by the hole ho cost -- we all know about the holocaust and israel is the creation of the holocaust -- that's not it. there were two periods that were as important, one is the period before the holocaust in europe and the other after the holocaust in europe. by the time the holocaust started, there were already 750,000 european jews living in what became israel so it wasn't created because to have the holocaust, it was already in existence. in fact, there had been jewish settlers there for hundreds of years and starting in the 1880s, an increasing number of jewish settlers coming in from what was russia. so a lot of these people who were in europe in between the two wars who were living in these new nations that had been created by the collapse of the ottoman empire or the austrian-hungarian empire, the german empire, doesn't matter, the point is, these new democracies became rigidly antisemitic, that they went from a promised democracy to being authoritarian regimes that were belligerently antisemitic and many of the jews living in poland, hungary, rumania, needed to get out. >> charlie: and brought home to you when you went to a small village and traced one person who went to auschwitz and came back. >> i went to the town where my mother was born. my mother died two years ago, over 100.i3 my mother was an immigrant from poland. i went back to her town, where she was born, and there were no jews left. this town had been 50% jewish. they were all killed. but there was talk about one man who had come back after the war to reclaim his business and he was killed on the spot. i thought this was an anomaly, that this was a unique event. when i read about this period, i realized there were many jews killed after the holocaust because they went home, tried to reclaim their property, their house, and killed on the spot. in poland, something like 1500 jews -- >> charlie: after the war was over. >> after the war was over, the hatred was not. the holocaust was over but the killing of jews persisted. this time it was done by local people in eastern european countries, so the jews who survived and walked out of auschwitz, the pitiful few and they went into displaced person camps usually in southern germany run by the great general patton, right, and these people could not go home, they were afraid to go home. they had nowhere to go. the united states raised the barrier for immigration for anybody from eastern or southern europe so they couldn't get in. some jews did, most didn't. they needed a place. they wanted to go to palestine not because they were safe because they knew things were dicey there, but they felt at home. >> charlie: and they knew they were going into a middle of a land where people were not like them. >> yes. these were educated people for the most part. they knew what was going on. but they also felt they belonged there, that people there would look after them and protect them. i can't imagine, nobody can, i guess, what it was like to survive the holocaust and then go home and be afraid of your neighbors. to say when does the killing sop? when do people relent and forgive me for being a jew? >> charlie: what's interesting about this and the book, for me, is this is not a book about the ebb and flow of newspaper headlines, this is a book in which you went back and read more history than you imagined you would. one story led to another and another investigation on your part. you came out with an ability to answer this question or not? >> yeah. yeah. the answer to that question is yes. i mean, is israel good for the jews? yes. the other thing i came out of this book with was a real appreciation of antisemitism. that it is a powerful force that persists. >> charlie: today? today. i compare it to almost ebola. it's a passage. you beat it back. think it's gone and then it comes up again at you. first of all the islamic world is deeply antisemitic and has been for a long time. the people are writing and talking in the islamic world the way they used to in germany in the '30s. >> when you say that in a broad brush, the islamic world, you're talking about a particular part of the islamic world. >> yeah, not indonesia. >> charlie: right. radicalism. >> no, no, i'm talking about in general i am not talking about radicals. >> antisemitic. well, if you talk to people in the arab countries and you will see there's a level of acceptable antisemitism that nobody makes a big deal about. i cite in the book, for instance, i was in jordan for some conference and i open up the jordan times which english language newspaper, this was several years ago, and i read an account of what happened on september of 2001, september 9th, 2001, and you know what that was all about? what was about the massad organizing that terrorist attack because no jews were killed in a terrorist attack on the world trade center which is blatantently untrue. it was just ridiculous. somehow every jew was told to get out of the place before the attack. this runs in the jordanian paper. those are papers are censored. i don't know whether it was literally approved by the palace but it was accepted. people understood ump not offending the censors if you put that in the paper. this is endemic in the arab world. >> charlie: i had a conversation with them when i went there, can you believe what ahmadinejad was saying, who did not want to take the holocaust as genocide any different than any other genocide and was essentially angry, you know, about where israel had been created. so i said to this head of state, i said, can you believe what he's saying? he said, yeah, a lot of people do feel that way. it's something i talk about in the book because you don't get it from diplomats. you know, you go to dinner with diplomats in nashington. you well remember, the madison hotel. i call it the madison hotel syndrome, used to go to lunches with arab diplomats, some of which i considered friends, and didn't get that kind of language and they wouldn't have approved. back home, it was what's called double discourse, saying one thing in one place and another in another. >> charlie: antisemitism is not limited to the arab world. >> well, you see a revival of it now certainly in england and europe and even in germany. i mean, i have been to germany a lot and there was a time i thought this would never come back to germany because the german government was doing all the right things -- education, memorials, observing holocaust, all this sort of stuff -- but it's coming out now and from what i'm reading a lot of reports about the rise of antisemitism. i just think antisemitism is the world's greatest conspiracy theory. it can account for anything. you know, you can blame jews for almost anything that happens to you, happens to your government, happens to the economy and society. >> charlie: israel today is not a country that you don't find fault with. >> no, i find a lot of fault with israel. >> charlie: all right. i don't like the continued occupation, if that's the right word. you never know what words to use anymore. the west bank, i think that's a mistake. i think adding to the settlements is a mistake. >> charlie: you're using the word "mistake again." >> these are are mistakes. >> charlie: you used the word mistake in the first place, just seemed like a natural -- >> right. but i've always been critical of that. i thought when israel took the west bank, it lost it's moral monopoly. all of a sudden it's an occupation power. even benign occupation powers have to do certain things. they are riots, have to beat back -- you know, this has been tough. >> charlie: and the argument goes, it does something to your own psyche of the occupier. >> i think it does. i think it makes the troops -- i think they become calloused. the reports in israel, troops who won't serve in the west bank. reservists who won't go there. there's a good deal of pushback. i wouldn't say universal but some opposition to it. some israelis know exactly what they want, they want the west bank -- >> charlie: is that the majority? >> no. but the west bank is the israel of the bible. it's not tel aviv. tel aviv is something new under the sun. tel aviv is miami beach. doesn't matter. the west bank of the bible is jericho, hebron, jerusalem, that's the heartland, that's the spiritual center. very orthodox, religious people want the west bank. extreme nationalists want the west bank. the rest of the israelis are sort of caught in between, they don't know what the do. if i lived in israel, i would say, let's get out of the west bank. but it's easier to say on a day-to-day basis let's do nothing because, when they got out overgaza, what they got by way of thank you was rockets. >> charlie: do you think the israeli government would get out of west bank if they believed they were secure within the 67 boundaries? give or take? >> yeah. >> charlie: if they were confident and convinced of their own security -- >> yes. >> charlie: -- they don't want to occupy the west bank. >> yes, i firmly -- >> charlie: the government today, i'm not saying everybody in israel. >> no, no, no. i firmly -- oh, the present government? >> charlie: yeah. i don't know about the present government. if you say the israeli people by and large, i would say yes. the present government is a difference. it's a little bit mystery to me. i mean, bibi netanyahu is the son of benzion netanyahu who was so far to the right, very radical, but incredibly intelligent and a scholar but his politics were not mine by a long shot and he was the private secretary of zeb jabatinsky who is the representation of right wing politics in israel. he's been dead since 1940 but lives on. >> charlie: what did you learn looking to the life of herzl? >> herzl is a fascinating guy. herzl is the man who sort of created secular zionism at the end of the 19th century. he is so self- possessed, so sure of himself and has a vision and created something no one thought possible. he lived up the street from sigmund freud in vienna, and if he knew freud i believe he would have said see me every day. herzl was a secular jew, not religious at all. he didn't want to circumstance size his son which is a sacred commandment. he felt being jewish was so oppressive. owing up in vienna in the 19t 19th century and wanting to be a member of society, he was a talented man and a journalist. some journalists are talented, and, yet, wherever he went, he was confronted about. this he went to cover the dreyfus trial. >> charlie: what happened? it created antisemitism in france and dreyfus who was an officer was framed and he was framed because he was jewish. herzl is sitting in paris which is the most liberal city in europe, the most liberal city in the world, and you have this eruption of antisemitism and i think it set him back saying, if it happens here, it can happen anywhere. >> charlie: i have to go get on with my zionist plan. >> we have to find a refuge, a safe place for jews. >> charlie: what do you want people to get out of this? you've done this research, read history, come to the conclusion that israel is good for the jews, yet at the same time there is, throughout this book at the end, real concern. >> yes. >> charlie: about the future. of course, i'm concerned. >> charlie: what is it that concerns you? >> it's still this little place in this big world surround bid a lot of hostility. it's still a place where a lot of people are leaving. you know, there's anywhere from half a million to 750,000 israelis in the united states. now, some of them will go back, some won't. a lot won't. so israel is always in a precarious situation. look, they just ended this thing, whatever it is in gaza. before that, there was a thing in lebanon, and then back and forth. you never know what's going to be next. >> charlie: who won the gaza war? >> well, i think we won't know for a while. if, in fact -- >> charlie: because if the purpose was to destroy hamas, they didn't do it. >> no, they didn't do it. i think they knew they couldn't destroy hamas. but what they could do. >> charlie: destroy tunnels and materials to build rockets. >> right, but hamas is a perfect example of what i'm talking about. when israel pulled out of gaza, it wasn't hamas that ruled it, it was fatah, right? now it's hamas. hamas took over. >> charlie: because there was an election -- >> and they won. they won the election. so if the same thing happens in west bank, it goes from the palestinian authority to hamas, that's what scares the israelis. it's nine miles between the west bank, that border, and the sea in tel aviv, nine miles. >> charlie: do you think israel has taken sufficient risk to reach a peace agreement as they almost had with -- and the palestinians backed out at camp david with bill clinton, barak and yasser arafat? >> very hard for me to judge. >> charlie: barak was willing to go a long way. >> and rabin probably would have if he had not been killed. and even sharone pulled out of the gaza strip in real life. >> charlie: also understood the demographics. >> he did. >> charlie: is that part of the reason you worry about the future of the demographics is ariel sharon? >> yes, if israel stays in the west bank, there's 1.7 million to 2 million palestinians in the west bank. there's 2 million palestinians in israel. israel is 20% palestinian. so between the two, you would have a majority in no time at all of palestinians. the only way you can control them is with force. you don't want to do that. this was not herzl's dream. this is not what ben gurion wanted. >> charlie: there's a debate in america among american jews about the power with of american jews on american foreign policy. where do you come down on that? >> well, i think, clearly, american jews have an influence on american foreign policy. why not? >> charlie: so do american catholics. >> there's a boycott of cuba and it's not because i or you care about cuba so much, it's because a lot of cubans in miami want it that way. >> charlie: that's changing, too. >> everything changes. s in a legitimate impression of political desire. there's nothing wrong with that. we all recoil when the term "jewish lobby" is used. it's weaker than the n.r.a. >> charlie: ho how does media cover what we're talking about? >> there was a lot of criticism in the last go around in gaza about an imbalance, that it was too -- that it was too sympathetic to the palestinians in gaza and too harsh on israel. you can't get around this in a day and age when the picture is everything. it's a video of kids being killed, video of schools being blown up, accidentally or not, but the fact is they were blown up. you have all these -- this is gripping stuff. on the other side, you don't have anything comparable. so the media covers, just like local media, if it bleeds, it leads, you know, and this becomes the story. so israel, i think, you know, was not treated fairly, but was understandable to me the way it came out. >> charlie: it's interesting when you talk about the obama administration to me because netanyahu and the american ambassador, whether the present, previous ambassadors, always will say that the obama administration, whatever the conflict is with the prime minister and the president, you know, that america's been very sensitive to the military security needs of israel. >> yeah, absolutely. it's been -- that not only hasn't changed, it's greater. >> charlie: right. "israel: is it good for the jews," richard cohen. good to have you here, thank you. >> glad to be here. >> charlie: ron lauder is here, one of the billionaires to the estee lauder cosmetics fortune, former ambassador to austria and president of the jewish council. president of new york's neue galerie. the current show is egon schiele: portraits, known for draftsmanship and sexually provocative subject matter. he played a role in modernism. he died at 28 of spanish flu. pleased to have ron lauder back. welwelcome. >> thank you. >> charlie: everyone says you have one of the great eyes. what do you think they mean? >> it'it's something you learn d something you're born with. they showed me ten pieces of art, and i'll pick usually the best one just by chance. i may not even know the artist. and it's a gift. >> charlie: yeah, but you started very early. >> i started as a teenager. at 14. i must tell you, it's the most exciting thing i did, and people walk into a gallery, look over my shoulder and look for my parents, i would be walking in and asking about certain pictures, and when i started collecting egon schiele, some of the drawings were $300 to $500 and the water colors were $1,000 to $3,000, when you could find them, and today the same things are $150,000 for drawings and up to $10 million for the water colors. so it's amazing. but egon schiele was one of the greatertists, i believe, of the 20th century and unfortunately died at 28, as you said. between 1910 and 1918, those eight years, he produced a body of work that was phenomenal, and he's one of the three major austrian artists in neue galerie. he opened a show of portraits. his portraits have so much power. his self-portraits, even, full of sex and erotism, it's fantastic. >> charlie: what was his genius? >> his genius was to look into a person and feel what that person felt. >> charlie: and express it with his hand. >> and express it with his hands and be able to express it with a certain power. he also had no inhibitions to show people as they were. >> charlie: he came under the influence of gustav? >> in the beginning. some of the early paintings you can see very much influence. then by 1910 he started to do his own thing and it was amazing. those pictures of 1910 with the red bodies and the people with contorted arms, it's truly amazing. >> charlie: and the curator of this is alexandra comini? >> yes. she is spectacular. the whole staff of the neue galerie is very special, particularly director reneée price, and together they put together the show which the first night they opened, i think there was a three-hour wait to get in, and it's because egon schiele is such a unique artist. >> charlie: he's unique because of what? >> first of all, when he did this work in 1910, no one has done that kind of work, and he showed people in a crude, strong way. at the same time, he can show women in a soft way, butteth a juxtaposition of the two different things. >> charlie: he grew up as photography was just becoming widely used. >> yeah. >> charlie: did it influence him? >> i don't know how much it influenced him. he did all his pictures, obviously, with a nude in front of him or the person standing right in front of him. but photography in austria, at that time, was just starting, and it was a whole movement. interesting enough, schiele did not necessarily have that much money, initially, so he would get different models wherever he could find them. unfortunately, in 1912, because he had used models of younger girls than 16 and younger, he was put into jail. >> charlie: put in prison. put in prison for a short period of time. >> charlie: and one of the rooms in the exhibit was dedicated to that time. >> what's interesting is the work he did in prison was, again, very, very powerful. >> charlie: so prison impacted him? >> very much so. he also was in world war i and you can see some of the drawings he had of russian soldiers he captured, and the basic things of the war, just pictures, again, have a certain power to them. these are only on portraits, but his portraits were the most important thing he did. >> charlie: how was he influenced by the following things: vienna. >> an explosion of architecture, art, music, everything happening at the turn of the century, and artists were able to express themselves in a strong way. you have artist after artist, and one left unknown because he committed suicide early, but it was an explosion and color was something interesting because they use very much influence. i think by the french, the reds, the greens, the blues, and he was able to take a person's face and paint all the colors and it was unbelievable. feel the angst and the emotion. >> charlie: vienna was the city of mala and freud. >> yes. >> charlie: did they influence him? >> i'm sure they did. it was all together. in the case of vienna at that time, you had the writers writing about sex. sex played a critical role, obviously, in freud. malan less so, but the whole musician impression was amazing. >> charlie: one of the rooms is about his erotic works. >> yes. >> charlie: where did that come from? >> the fact he wanted to break all the barriers. he did self-portraits of himself naked a lot, and very often he showed important people naked from the waste-up, and you could see them with their hands like this. amazing. >> charlie: when did you buy your first piece? >> when i was 14. >> charlie: is that right? yeah. >> charlie: just attractive to you the idea of -- >> what happened is when i was 13 1/2 i went into a book store on lexington avenue called e.y., and i was looking for a tract i was interested in at that time and i saw egon schiele and i took the book out and started looking through it. i realized this person was very special. but at that time, nobody had schiele. they didn't know him. most were in private collections. all of a sudden, i found, finally, one schiele drawing, and i paid $600 for it. in fact, years later when i sold it or traded it, ended up in one of the great collections in vienna, fantastic. but my family looked at me and said, our son must be crazy! what is he buying these pictures for? >> charlie: have you wanted to paint? >> i did paint. >> charlie: you did? yes. >> charlie: did you stop or still paint? >> i stopped. >> charlie: why? because you knew too much? >> frankly, i could never compete. i knew too much, right, and also, in order to paint, i believe for any artist, you have to have a certain fire in your stomach, and i had more of a fire in my stomach to buy great art than i did -- >> charlie: and you were consumed by politics and business and other things as well. >> business came later. politics came sooner. >> charlie: all right. let me take a look at some of these. we've got some we want to show you and we'll come back to more about the artist. the first image is a portrait of gerte schiele. 1909. >> yes. >> charlie: heavily influenced by adelle bower. >> you can see the influence of gustav clint particularly around the waist and the bottom, multi-colored, but, yet, at the same time, schiele was starting to become his own person, and the use of the hand, you can just see a little bit of it there, shows the -- his own influence, and using the black around the back to make it stand out, you can see how special it was. >> charlie: okay, the next one is a portrait of dr. irwin van grof, 1910. >> he was a gynecologist and, frankly, this picture usually hangs in my home in the sense that it's a powerful picture. you can see his hands, his red face, almost, and the angst there. >> charlie: it is said he painted this in return for an abortion for one of his many mistresses. >> i think the information is very well informed. this is a picture, again. this is the story, we're not sure if it's true or not, but sounds good. >> charlie: the next one is a self-portrait with arm twisted above head. 1910. many of the self-portraits. >> you can see he was very inhibited, very shy, didn't want to really get out there and be in society. but here he is, he's naked, and with his hand behind his head. look at the pose. the pose is so unique, especially for that time. and people didn't do portraits like that. >> charlie: he was breaking new ground. >> breaking new ground. >> charlie: even one of masturbation? >> yes. he did all kinds of things. one of the things we have in my gallery is limited to who can come in, it's one of the few museums you have to be over a certain age. >> charlie: next is wally in a red blouse, 1913, a portrait of one of his many serious lovers. >> and now he's getting -- he's changing slightly. he's getting away from the 1910 sort of powerful pictures, but he's much more subtle now. but yet it has the same sexual part of it, and we're not sure, we think she was literally lying on the floor with her legs up like this -- >> charlie: yes. -- and he used this piece more and more, but it's very -- you can just feel the slight eroticism in the face. here's a painting that was never shown in the united states. you can see the use of colors. also here's a portrait where he's gotten softer, but yet the way the portrait is done is so unique because of the way the dress looks. >> charlie: love the colors. fantastic. >> charlie: the family is in 1918. this is the year he died. his wife and unborn child. >> his wife was six months pregnant and she died and he died a few days later. >> charlie: all of the spanish flu? >> yes. the time he was started to be recognized. >> charlie: 28 years old. 28 years old. again, he's changing his style a little bit. he's become more sensitive in a different way but still has the eroticism of his wife naked in front of him. >> charlie: you paid $135 million for an adelle bower. >> for the galerie, it's a mona lisa, the most special painting we have in the gallery. >> charlie: the most special painting you have, ever? >> in the neue galerie. >> charlie: yes. and the fact is that is a landmark piece by a great artist christopher quinn at the height of his time and there's almost nothing like it. >> charlie: when you say that, what is it you think you see when you say, this is the best of all of the things, this one is the best? >> again, look at his work, and you say -- i always felt people have three categories, oh, oh my, and oh my god. this is oh my god. >> charlie: yes. and you feel he had a relationship and it took him four years to do the picture, so he must have had a four-year relationship. it's probably one of the most powerful pieces. when the nazis came in, they seized it and it stood in the belvedere for 50, 60 years, and because the austrians lost, finally, and maria altman, who is the niece of the family, finally got it out and went first to california, then came to neue galerie. >> charlie: you had something to do with that, didn't you? >> i did, i was way in the back. >> charlie: one of your concerns has been the restitution of art plundered and stolen by the nazis. >> what happened is the germans, first of all, when they took art, especially great art, kept very good records, and then the art sort of disappeared into museums and different places. and museums, when they have these things, are very reluctant to open their files and perhaps lose their key pieces. so what happens is a fight. we were pretty much stea stalemd in germany until a few years ago an art dealer for jewish stolen property -- >> charlie: for jewish stolen property. >> yes, he did other things but his was the main thing, and, at the some reason, at the end of the war, it was -- he was stuck with whatever was left. and then his son took over, and when his son -- because of taxes, somehow they found through this whole cache of paintings and drawings and prints, people have estimated it as much as $1 billion. >> charlie: all in one location? >> all in one location. really two. >> charlie: and none on the walls. >> none on the walls, hidden away. it was really two locations, but the major one was in munich, and there was a whole case i commissioned going through piece by piece to see which were stolen and which were not. but then, at the same time, the german government reacted and they're putting together a commission to go into the various museums and look and see what was purchased during the 1938 to '45, and the fact is we don't know what's in german museums. we have a good idea there's enough art in there. but many of the museums, particularly the smaller ones, don't want anyone to come in. and this commission is going to investigate each one. we have all the record. very often, some of these paintings were put not in museums but in various walls of different agencies, feel that no one's going to walk in there and see it, but its a pains taking task, but i believe we'll accomplish it. it's in all countries in europe. >> charlie: this is the book for the exhibit now on at the tbearneue galerie, how long wilt be there? >> until january. i think it's going to be bu onef the most popular shows. on the back, you see another portrait of him and again it's the power of what he's talking about. >> charlie: what's interesting is you're head of the world jewish council. >> congress. >> charlie: congress. and you have a long history in eastern europe win investments and also israel. so there's a lot to talk about in another visit but i just wanted the catch up on this art. thank you. >> thank you. please see the show as soon as you can. well put you at the front of the line. >> charlie: tory burch is here, the c.e.o. and designer of tory burch, a fashion and lifestyle company valued at more than $3 billion ant present in over 50 countries. president obama named her an ambassador for global entrepreneurship earlier this year. she seeks to increase small businesses globally. tory burch in color is her first book, a coffee table volume, and here is the trailer pore the foe book. ♪ ♪ >> charlie: living, you said, in full color is the guiding principle from the way i raise my children to the way i approach my work. explain what that means. >> thinking about color in general, our company has so much color all around. my parents taught me to embrace new, creative thinking. that's something we did, accept all kinds of people, use our imagination, and that really ties into the visual use of color. >> charlie: you have eleven colors including orange, blue, purposing, pink, yellow, white, black, natural and gold. any reason for the colors or colors omitted that were a runner up? >> some definitely were a given. i worked with our fung shway mast tore pick the best colors and put them in his order as well. >> charlie: what's the reason for the success of your company, do you think? >> you know, i think, in the beginning, we reached -- we entered the market and there was a wide space and it was a simple idea for me designing things i love that didn't cost a fortune. i think when we realized the impact that had, we saw the space was quite large. this area between contemporary and designer, that was open. >> charlie: between contemporary and designer? >> yeah. >> charlie: what's that area? we were considered contemporary but designer is much more expensive. >> charlie: you found a way to give designer input. >> designer feel. >> charlie: what do we need to empower more women? >> well, starting with men, we need to make men part of the conversation. i have three boys. i know you support women's issues. i think it's super important. it should be about the quality of the work, not the gender. >> charlie: what has been the hardest thing in terms of your own journey? >> gaining confidence to really believe in myself was a big one. the first article written on our company, a friend called and said it was great but you shied away from the word "ambition." she was absolutely right. i was kind of mad at myself because i was raised with three brothers, not knowing there was a difference in what we could do. our parents made us believe we could do anything. and when i looked at the article and myself, i was timid when facing that word and i would love to change it. >> charlie: anna writes about you, who wouldn't want to be tory burch? she's truly a sensational businesswoman. does that part surprise you or was that the easiest part of it? >> no, it surprises me. the whole company surprises me. i set out to do a little store in an off the way street in downtown new york, and five years three stores, possibly, was the business plan. but i had big hopes and aspirations. when i tried to raise money and said i wanted to start a global lifestyle brand, i had no idea. >> charlie: when you say that, you think landfall lauren. >> yeah, but i knew i wanted to start a foundation and be part of the business plan and i thought global because women with inspire me, not just american women. >> charlie: were there moments after you had the first store you thought, this is not going to work? >> many moments. >> charlie: yeah. we were on a great trajectory of growth in the first few years and that was exciting and the pace was fast. i had three little boys. a lot of balls up in the air, so a lot of figuring out, and clear obstacles in the last ten years. many times. >> charlie: the conflict -- a conflict, a divorce, all these different things. that said. >> charlie: is that behind you? >> totally behind me and everyone. what i learn is when i face conflicts i get more focused and i don't shy away. i face it and get stronger. i had to be a pillar for my company and my family. >> charlie: did it leave scars? take a toll? >> i don't think so. i think i'm an optimist at the end of the day and trying to make the best of every situation. that said, it was tough going through it. >> charlie: it was in the papers. >> it was in the papers. i was worried about protecting my three sons and stepdaughters and everything around us, so it was tough. >> charlie: that is the dream changed? >> not at all. i often said, i was with an entrepreneur event last week, and i said if you're not dreaming big enough to scare you, you're not dreaming big enough. i feel i have big dreams. >> charlie: your reach should exceed your grasp? >> yes, i guess that's true. i want to have impact with women and helping women. i've always wanted to help people, i thought it would be women and children. i realized if we can help women help themselves, it's not a charity. >> charlie: how do you do that globally? >> starting with the foundation in the u.s. and expanding it, it's important. >> charlie: what are you doing on the ground in asia? >> we are building our business over there so we have high hopes and -- >> charlie: and are their tastes different than, say, the tastes in the united states, or is exciting exciting, is pretty pretty? >> yes, we design different things for different markets. that said, the best sellers are the best sellers across the board and similar. >> charlie: it's interesting, because whether asia, africa, europe, latin america or the northern hemisphere, the best sellers will sell everywhere. >> in the end it's about the product. >> charlie: yeah. and tell me what your role is today. i mean, is it to be the c.e.o. and run the company or do you have -- because it's who you are, a closeness to design? >> so i, for the last ten years, have been the designer and c.e.o., and that's been very different for our industry. it's usually one or the other. i do have that left-right side of the brain but i love both and i learn on the job. i surround myself with excellent people who have a lot of skills and i love the design but i also love the business. about a month ago, i made an announcement and hired a co-c.e.o. >> charlie: because you want to focus on what? >> it wasn't because i was looking to fill the role. it was because of the person, a gentleman roger ferra who i admired from afar and made a call and said, can we have breakfast? turns out he just told the place he had been at the last ten years he was leaving. >> charlie: what i love about this story is until you call, you never know. >> no. >> charlie: so you're still very, very young. will there be a time in which you want to say, you know, i created this company, this company grows of its own? >> it's hard. my passion is really tied into this company. beyond that, it's my family, curiosity, helping things in the world, helping different kinds of people, entrepreneurs who are women, just getting involved and trying to make a difference, but the company is such a passion. i can't really see beyond that. >> charlie: when will you design things for men? soon? >> no, one day. we never got to the thing we talked about designing, the bathing suit. >> charlie: right, exactly. but when you think about the light that you have, is there something missing at all? >> i work very hard, but that said, i also love enjoying vacation a lot. for me, it's finding the balance. as we go, i don't really have a set plan. for me, it's just more of the same until we find new ways of doing it. always evolving, the company always learning myself and pushing in new directions, unexpected ones. so it -- to me, there's not really a set plan in place. >> charlie: and when the idea of the design comes together, i mean, is it tory or is it tory overseeing a group of people and selecting whatever the best ideas that perk late up from all of them? >> i would say it's both. i mean, for sure, i'm involved in setting the ideas, and then once i -- and i give inspiration. i'm involved in everything i make, i approve. i feel fortunate to be working with such a great group of thinkers. >> charlie: did you once say i want to create a non-bitchy fashion company? >> yes. >> charlie: what's that? it's about being straightforward, knowing where people stand, supporting people, having an environment that respects great work but is also a great place to be. >> charlie: culture is important. >> culculture is everything. >> charlie: creating a place that maximizes a contribution people who are part of the enterprise make. >> if you have happy people, they do their best work. it's pretty simplistic. >> charlie: how do you do that? >> it's a lot of work. it's a trickle-down effect. we talk about it a lot. we do culture surveys. we listen to what people are writing and saying. it's not easy. we definitely have work to do and always will. that said, we haue 80% of participation in the culture surveys, so we haven't engaged -- maybe out of 2500 employees, maybe 80% participate in the survey. >> charlie: eric schmidt said about you from google, there are always limitations when you have an iconic founder, limitations of time and other thingsers and he said there's only one tory. i assume the idea as you expand is making sure you have key people. >> yes. >> charlie: it becomes almost a -- >> necessity. >> charlie: -- necessity and imperative. >> yes, and we have key people before we hired roger, we have an incredible team. and also we are growing. when you become a different-size company, different complexities happen. we want to be prepared. >> charlie: great to have you at the table. >> thank you, charley. >> charlie: the book, "tory burch in color." as someone who loves color, you'll see a lot of it here. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> charlie: for more about this program and earlier episodes visit us online at pbs.org and charlierose.com. captioning sponsored by rose communications captioned by media access group at wgbh access.wgbh.org . this is "nightly business report" with tyler mathisen and susie gharib. brought to you by. >> the street.com, with stephanie link who shares her market insights, the multi-million dollar portfolio she shares with jim cramer. stock revival, at least for today, the stocks one of the best days of the year. is it safe to say the bottom is in? 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painter of portraits. he died at 28. in eight years he produced a body of work that was phenomenal and is one of the three major austrian artists we have in neue galerie. and he is unique. we have opened a show of portraits. his portraits have so much power, so interesting. his self-portraits, even, full of sex and errot cism. >> charlie: we conclude with tory burch, fashion designer and entrepreneur. >> in five years, three stores, that was the business plan. i had big hopes and aspirations. when i was trying to raise money and wanted to start a brand, i had no idea. >> charlie: you thought ralph lauren. >> yeah, i knew i wanted to start a foundation and be part of the business plan. >> charlie: richard cohen, ron lauder and tory burch next. captioning sponsored by rose communications from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. >> charlie: richard cohen is here. he is a nationally syndicated columnist for "the washington post," sparked a controversy in 2006 when he opened his column with this sentence "the greatest mistake israel could make at the moment is to forget israel is a mistake." the response prompted him to explore his own history in a new book, "israel: is it good for the jews." pleased to have richard cohen at this table. well come. >> good to be here. >> charlie: tell me about that 2006 column and what happened afterward. >> well, i wrote it in the course of israel was once again at war this time with hesbollah in the north and you could see the pattern going back and forth, incessant war and terrorism. i used the word "mistake" which was a big mistake. but i couldn't come up with another word to describe the plight of israel as being a nation of 6 million jews surrounded by, i don't know, 100 million arabs, whatever the figure may b and this continuing incessant warfare which was going on and on. the reaction was incredible. i mean, i got my head taken off. a lot of people were very angry at me. >> charlie: what did they say and who were they? i don't mean specific names but where were they coming from and -- >> well, i mean, it was readers. and then also people who just happen to know me. i'i remember one guy stopped men the street and said, i heard you wrote this. so it was out there kind of in rumorville. but there were others who were more disturbing to me which were people i thought were sympathetic to israel who embraced me as someone who had gone over to the other side and now critical of israel. here was a jew who was critical of israel and i was embraced for that. >> charlie: and they were saying, you said what i'm thinking? >> yeah, it made me very uncomfortable because it wasn't what i was thinking. >> charlie: because you used the wrong word? >> i used the wrong word. i don't know to this day what's a better word for saying, look, in effect, if you wanted to find a place in the world that was safe and secure, you picked the wrong place. >> charlie: so what was there between that time and the response of that column and the beginning of this book? >> well, you know, time went by and i decided i was going to expand the column. as i started to expand on the column and do reading and look into what the situation was, i came around to changing my mind because i don't think israel is a mistake. i think it was inevitability and has great utility and essential. the second thing is history opened itself up. i became enraptured by it and i became very impressed not by the hole ho cost -- we all know about the holocaust and israel is the creation of the holocaust -- that's not it. there were two periods that were as important, one is the period before the holocaust in europe and the other after the holocaust in europe. by the time the holocaust started, there were already 750,000 european jews living in what became israel so it wasn't created because to have the holocaust, it was already in existence. in fact, there had been jewish settlers there for hundreds of years and starting in the 1880s, an increasing number of jewish settlers coming in from what was russia. so a lot of these people who were in europe in between the two wars who were living in these new nations that had been created by the collapse of the ottoman empire or the austrian-hungarian empire, the german empire, doesn't matter, the point is, these new democracies became rigidly antisemitic, that they went from a promised democracy to being authoritarian regimes that were belligerently antisemitic and many of the jews living in poland, hungary, rumania, needed to get out. >> charlie: and brought home to you when you went to a small village and traced one person who went to auschwitz and came back. >> i went to the town where my mother was born. my mother died two years ago, over 100.i3 my mother was an immigrant from poland. i went back to her town, where she was born, and there were no jews left. this town had been 50% jewish. they were all killed. but there was talk about one man who had come back after the war to reclaim his business and he was killed on the spot. i thought this was an anomaly, that this was a unique event. when i read about this period, i realized there were many jews killed after the holocaust because they went home, tried to reclaim their property, their house, and killed on the spot. in poland, something like 1500 jews -- >> charlie: after the war was over. >> after the war was over, the hatred was not. the holocaust was over but the killing of jews persisted. this time it was done by local people in eastern european countries, so the jews who survived and walked out of auschwitz, the pitiful few and they went into displaced person camps usually in southern germany run by the great general patton, right, and these people could not go home, they were afraid to go home. they had nowhere to go. the united states raised the barrier for immigration for anybody from eastern or southern europe so they couldn't get in. some jews did, most didn't. they needed a place. they wanted to go to palestine not because they were safe because they knew things were dicey there, but they felt at home. >> charlie: and they knew they were going into a middle of a land where people were not like them. >> yes. these were educated people for the most part. they knew what was going on. but they also felt they belonged there, that people there would look after them and protect them. i can't imagine, nobody can, i guess, what it was like to survive the holocaust and then go home and be afraid of your neighbors. to say when does the killing sop? when do people relent and forgive me for being a jew? >> charlie: what's interesting about this and the book, for me, is this is not a book about the ebb and flow of newspaper headlines, this is a book in which you went back and read more history than you imagined you would. one story led to another and another investigation on your part. you came out with an ability to answer this question or not? >> yeah. yeah. the answer to that question is yes. i mean, is israel good for the jews? yes. the other thing i came out of this book with was a real appreciation of antisemitism. that it is a powerful force that persists. >> charlie: today? today. i compare it to almost ebola. it's a passage. you beat it back. think it's gone and then it comes up again at you. first of all the islamic world is deeply antisemitic and has been for a long time. the people are writing and talking in the islamic world the way they used to in germany in the '30s. >> when you say that in a broad brush, the islamic world, you're talking about a particular part of the islamic world. >> yeah, not indonesia. >> charlie: right. radicalism. >> no, no, i'm talking about in general i am not talking about radicals. >> antisemitic. well, if you talk to people in the arab countries and you will see there's a level of acceptable antisemitism that nobody makes a big deal about. i cite in the book, for instance, i was in jordan for some conference and i open up the jordan times which english language newspaper, this was several years ago, and i read an account of what happened on september of 2001, september 9th, 2001, and you know what that was all about? what was about the massad organizing that terrorist attack because no jews were killed in a terrorist attack on the world trade center which is blatantently untrue. it was just ridiculous. somehow every jew was told to get out of the place before the attack. this runs in the jordanian paper. those are papers are censored. i don't know whether it was literally approved by the palace but it was accepted. people understood ump not offending the censors if you put that in the paper. this is endemic in the arab world. >> charlie: i had a conversation with them when i went there, can you believe what ahmadinejad was saying, who did not want to take the holocaust as genocide any different than any other genocide and was essentially angry, you know, about where israel had been created. so i said to this head of state, i said, can you believe what he's saying? he said, yeah, a lot of people do feel that way. it's something i talk about in the book because you don't get it from diplomats. you know, you go to dinner with diplomats in nashington. you well remember, the madison hotel. i call it the madison hotel syndrome, used to go to lunches with arab diplomats, some of which i considered friends, and didn't get that kind of language and they wouldn't have approved. back home, it was what's called double discourse, saying one thing in one place and another in another. >> charlie: antisemitism is not limited to the arab world. >> well, you see a revival of it now certainly in england and europe and even in germany. i mean, i have been to germany a lot and there was a time i thought this would never come back to germany because the german government was doing all the right things -- education, memorials, observing holocaust, all this sort of stuff -- but it's coming out now and from what i'm reading a lot of reports about the rise of antisemitism. i just think antisemitism is the world's greatest conspiracy theory. it can account for anything. you know, you can blame jews for almost anything that happens to you, happens to your government, happens to the economy and society. >> charlie: israel today is not a country that you don't find fault with. >> no, i find a lot of fault with israel. >> charlie: all right. i don't like the continued occupation, if that's the right word. you never know what words to use anymore. the west bank, i think that's a mistake. i think adding to the settlements is a mistake. >> charlie: you're using the word "mistake again." >> these are are mistakes. >> charlie: you used the word mistake in the first place, just seemed like a natural -- >> right. but i've always been critical of that. i thought when israel took the west bank, it lost it's moral monopoly. all of a sudden it's an occupation power. even benign occupation powers have to do certain things. they are riots, have to beat back -- you know, this has been tough. >> charlie: and the argument goes, it does something to your own psyche of the occupier. >> i think it does. i think it makes the troops -- i think they become calloused. the reports in israel, troops who won't serve in the west bank. reservists who won't go there. there's a good deal of pushback. i wouldn't say universal but some opposition to it. some israelis know exactly what they want, they want the west bank -- >> charlie: is that the majority? >> no. but the west bank is the israel of the bible. it's not tel aviv. tel aviv is something new under the sun. tel aviv is miami beach. doesn't matter. the west bank of the bible is jericho, hebron, jerusalem, that's the heartland, that's the spiritual center. very orthodox, religious people want the west bank. extreme nationalists want the west bank. the rest of the israelis are sort of caught in between, they don't know what the do. if i lived in israel, i would say, let's get out of the west bank. but it's easier to say on a day-to-day basis let's do nothing because, when they got out overgaza, what they got by way of thank you was rockets. >> charlie: do you think the israeli government would get out of west bank if they believed they were secure within the 67 boundaries? give or take? >> yeah. >> charlie: if they were confident and convinced of their own security -- >> yes. >> charlie: -- they don't want to occupy the west bank. >> yes, i firmly -- >> charlie: the government today, i'm not saying everybody in israel. >> no, no, no. i firmly -- oh, the present government? >> charlie: yeah. i don't know about the present government. if you say the israeli people by and large, i would say yes. the present government is a difference. it's a little bit mystery to me. i mean, bibi netanyahu is the son of benzion netanyahu who was so far to the right, very radical, but incredibly intelligent and a scholar but his politics were not mine by a long shot and he was the private secretary of zeb jabatinsky who is the representation of right wing politics in israel. he's been dead since 1940 but lives on. >> charlie: what did you learn looking to the life of herzl? >> herzl is a fascinating guy. herzl is the man who sort of created secular zionism at the end of the 19th century. he is so self- possessed, so sure of himself and has a vision and created something no one thought possible. he lived up the street from sigmund freud in vienna, and if he knew freud i believe he would have said see me every day. herzl was a secular jew, not religious at all. he didn't want to circumstance size his son which is a sacred commandment. he felt being jewish was so oppressive. owing up in vienna in the 19t 19th century and wanting to be a member of society, he was a talented man and a journalist. some journalists are talented, and, yet, wherever he went, he was confronted about. this he went to cover the dreyfus trial. >> charlie: what happened? it created antisemitism in france and dreyfus who was an officer was framed and he was framed because he was jewish. herzl is sitting in paris which is the most liberal city in europe, the most liberal city in the world, and you have this eruption of antisemitism and i think it set him back saying, if it happens here, it can happen anywhere. >> charlie: i have to go get on with my zionist plan. >> we have to find a refuge, a safe place for jews. >> charlie: what do you want people to get out of this? you've done this research, read history, come to the conclusion that israel is good for the jews, yet at the same time there is, throughout this book at the end, real concern. >> yes. >> charlie: about the future. of course, i'm concerned. >> charlie: what is it that concerns you? >> it's still this little place in this big world surround bid a lot of hostility. it's still a place where a lot of people are leaving. you know, there's anywhere from half a million to 750,000 israelis in the united states. now, some of them will go back, some won't. a lot won't. so israel is always in a precarious situation. look, they just ended this thing, whatever it is in gaza. before that, there was a thing in lebanon, and then back and forth. you never know what's going to be next. >> charlie: who won the gaza war? >> well, i think we won't know for a while. if, in fact -- >> charlie: because if the purpose was to destroy hamas, they didn't do it. >> no, they didn't do it. i think they knew they couldn't destroy hamas. but what they could do. >> charlie: destroy tunnels and materials to build rockets. >> right, but hamas is a perfect example of what i'm talking about. when israel pulled out of gaza, it wasn't hamas that ruled it, it was fatah, right? now it's hamas. hamas took over. >> charlie: because there was an election -- >> and they won. they won the election. so if the same thing happens in west bank, it goes from the palestinian authority to hamas, that's what scares the israelis. it's nine miles between the west bank, that border, and the sea in tel aviv, nine miles. >> charlie: do you think israel has taken sufficient risk to reach a peace agreement as they almost had with -- and the palestinians backed out at camp david with bill clinton, barak and yasser arafat? >> very hard for me to judge. >> charlie: barak was willing to go a long way. >> and rabin probably would have if he had not been killed. and even sharone pulled out of the gaza strip in real life. >> charlie: also understood the demographics. >> he did. >> charlie: is that part of the reason you worry about the future of the demographics is ariel sharon? >> yes, if israel stays in the west bank, there's 1.7 million to 2 million palestinians in the west bank. there's 2 million palestinians in israel. israel is 20% palestinian. so between the two, you would have a majority in no time at all of palestinians. the only way you can control them is with force. you don't want to do that. this was not herzl's dream. this is not what ben gurion wanted. >> charlie: there's a debate in america among american jews about the power with of american jews on american foreign policy. where do you come down on that? >> well, i think, clearly, american jews have an influence on american foreign policy. why not? >> charlie: so do american catholics. >> there's a boycott of cuba and it's not because i or you care about cuba so much, it's because a lot of cubans in miami want it that way. >> charlie: that's changing, too. >> everything changes. s in a legitimate impression of political desire. there's nothing wrong with that. we all recoil when the term "jewish lobby" is used. it's weaker than the n.r.a. >> charlie: ho how does media cover what we're talking about? >> there was a lot of criticism in the last go around in gaza about an imbalance, that it was too -- that it was too sympathetic to the palestinians in gaza and too harsh on israel. you can't get around this in a day and age when the picture is everything. it's a video of kids being killed, video of schools being blown up, accidentally or not, but the fact is they were blown up. you have all these -- this is gripping stuff. on the other side, you don't have anything comparable. so the media covers, just like local media, if it bleeds, it leads, you know, and this becomes the story. so israel, i think, you know, was not treated fairly, but was understandable to me the way it came out. >> charlie: it's interesting when you talk about the obama administration to me because netanyahu and the american ambassador, whether the present, previous ambassadors, always will say that the obama administration, whatever the conflict is with the prime minister and the president, you know, that america's been very sensitive to the military security needs of israel. >> yeah, absolutely. it's been -- that not only hasn't changed, it's greater. >> charlie: right. "israel: is it good for the jews," richard cohen. good to have you here, thank you. >> glad to be here. >> charlie: ron lauder is here, one of the billionaires to the estee lauder cosmetics fortune, former ambassador to austria and president of the jewish council. president of new york's neue galerie. the current show is egon schiele: portraits, known for draftsmanship and sexually provocative subject matter. he played a role in modernism. he died at 28 of spanish flu. pleased to have ron lauder back. welwelcome. >> thank you. >> charlie: everyone says you have one of the great eyes. what do you think they mean? >> it'it's something you learn d something you're born with. they showed me ten pieces of art, and i'll pick usually the best one just by chance. i may not even know the artist. and it's a gift. >> charlie: yeah, but you started very early. >> i started as a teenager. at 14. i must tell you, it's the most exciting thing i did, and people walk into a gallery, look over my shoulder and look for my parents, i would be walking in and asking about certain pictures, and when i started collecting egon schiele, some of the drawings were $300 to $500 and the water colors were $1,000 to $3,000, when you could find them, and today the same things are $150,000 for drawings and up to $10 million for the water colors. so it's amazing. but egon schiele was one of the greatertists, i believe, of the 20th century and unfortunately died at 28, as you said. between 1910 and 1918, those eight years, he produced a body of work that was phenomenal, and he's one of the three major austrian artists in neue galerie. he opened a show of portraits. his portraits have so much power. his self-portraits, even, full of sex and erotism, it's fantastic. >> charlie: what was his genius? >> his genius was to look into a person and feel what that person felt. >> charlie: and express it with his hand. >> and express it with his hands and be able to express it with a certain power. he also had no inhibitions to show people as they were. >> charlie: he came under the influence of gustav? >> in the beginning. some of the early paintings you can see very much influence. then by 1910 he started to do his own thing and it was amazing. those pictures of 1910 with the red bodies and the people with contorted arms, it's truly amazing. >> charlie: and the curator of this is alexandra comini? >> yes. she is spectacular. the whole staff of the neue galerie is very special, particularly director reneée price, and together they put together the show which the first night they opened, i think there was a three-hour wait to get in, and it's because egon schiele is such a unique artist. >> charlie: he's unique because of what? >> first of all, when he did this work in 1910, no one has done that kind of work, and he showed people in a crude, strong way. at the same time, he can show women in a soft way, butteth a juxtaposition of the two different things. >> charlie: he grew up as photography was just becoming widely used. >> yeah. >> charlie: did it influence him? >> i don't know how much it influenced him. he did all his pictures, obviously, with a nude in front of him or the person standing right in front of him. but photography in austria, at that time, was just starting, and it was a whole movement. interesting enough, schiele did not necessarily have that much money, initially, so he would get different models wherever he could find them. unfortunately, in 1912, because he had used models of younger girls than 16 and younger, he was put into jail. >> charlie: put in prison. put in prison for a short period of time. >> charlie: and one of the rooms in the exhibit was dedicated to that time. >> what's interesting is the work he did in prison was, again, very, very powerful. >> charlie: so prison impacted him? >> very much so. he also was in world war i and you can see some of the drawings he had of russian soldiers he captured, and the basic things of the war, just pictures, again, have a certain power to them. these are only on portraits, but his portraits were the most important thing he did. >> charlie: how was he influenced by the following things: vienna. >> an explosion of architecture, art, music, everything happening at the turn of the century, and artists were able to express themselves in a strong way. you have artist after artist, and one left unknown because he committed suicide early, but it was an explosion and color was something interesting because they use very much influence. i think by the french, the reds, the greens, the blues, and he was able to take a person's face and paint all the colors and it was unbelievable. feel the angst and the emotion. >> charlie: vienna was the city of mala and freud. >> yes. >> charlie: did they influence him? >> i'm sure they did. it was all together. in the case of vienna at that time, you had the writers writing about sex. sex played a critical role, obviously, in freud. malan less so, but the whole musician impression was amazing. >> charlie: one of the rooms is about his erotic works. >> yes. >> charlie: where did that come from? >> the fact he wanted to break all the barriers. he did self-portraits of himself naked a lot, and very often he showed important people naked from the waste-up, and you could see them with their hands like this. amazing. >> charlie: when did you buy your first piece? >> when i was 14. >> charlie: is that right? yeah. >> charlie: just attractive to you the idea of -- >> what happened is when i was 13 1/2 i went into a book store on lexington avenue called e.y., and i was looking for a tract i was interested in at that time and i saw egon schiele and i took the book out and started looking through it. i realized this person was very special. but at that time, nobody had schiele. they didn't know him. most were in private collections. all of a sudden, i found, finally, one schiele drawing, and i paid $600 for it. in fact, years later when i sold it or traded it, ended up in one of the great collections in vienna, fantastic. but my family looked at me and said, our son must be crazy! what is he buying these pictures for? >> charlie: have you wanted to paint? >> i did paint. >> charlie: you did? yes. >> charlie: did you stop or still paint? >> i stopped. >> charlie: why? because you knew too much? >> frankly, i could never compete. i knew too much, right, and also, in order to paint, i believe for any artist, you have to have a certain fire in your stomach, and i had more of a fire in my stomach to buy great art than i did -- >> charlie: and you were consumed by politics and business and other things as well. >> business came later. politics came sooner. >> charlie: all right. let me take a look at some of these. we've got some we want to show you and we'll come back to more about the artist. the first image is a portrait of gerte schiele. 1909. >> yes. >> charlie: heavily influenced by adelle bower. >> you can see the influence of gustav clint particularly around the waist and the bottom, multi-colored, but, yet, at the same time, schiele was starting to become his own person, and the use of the hand, you can just see a little bit of it there, shows the -- his own influence, and using the black around the back to make it stand out, you can see how special it was. >> charlie: okay, the next one is a portrait of dr. irwin van grof, 1910. >> he was a gynecologist and, frankly, this picture usually hangs in my home in the sense that it's a powerful picture. you can see his hands, his red face, almost, and the angst there. >> charlie: it is said he painted this in return for an abortion for one of his many mistresses. >> i think the information is very well informed. this is a picture, again. this is the story, we're not sure if it's true or not, but sounds good. >> charlie: the next one is a self-portrait with arm twisted above head. 1910. many of the self-portraits. >> you can see he was very inhibited, very shy, didn't want to really get out there and be in society. but here he is, he's naked, and with his hand behind his head. look at the pose. the pose is so unique, especially for that time. and people didn't do portraits like that. >> charlie: he was breaking new ground. >> breaking new ground. >> charlie: even one of masturbation? >> yes. he did all kinds of things. one of the things we have in my gallery is limited to who can come in, it's one of the few museums you have to be over a certain age. >> charlie: next is wally in a red blouse, 1913, a portrait of one of his many serious lovers. >> and now he's getting -- he's changing slightly. he's getting away from the 1910 sort of powerful pictures, but he's much more subtle now. but yet it has the same sexual part of it, and we're not sure, we think she was literally lying on the floor with her legs up like this -- >> charlie: yes. -- and he used this piece more and more, but it's very -- you can just feel the slight eroticism in the face. here's a painting that was never shown in the united states. you can see the use of colors. also here's a portrait where he's gotten softer, but yet the way the portrait is done is so unique because of the way the dress looks. >> charlie: love the colors. fantastic. >> charlie: the family is in 1918. this is the year he died. his wife and unborn child. >> his wife was six months pregnant and she died and he died a few days later. >> charlie: all of the spanish flu? >> yes. the time he was started to be recognized. >> charlie: 28 years old. 28 years old. again, he's changing his style a little bit. he's become more sensitive in a different way but still has the eroticism of his wife naked in front of him. >> charlie: you paid $135 million for an adelle bower. >> for the galerie, it's a mona lisa, the most special painting we have in the gallery. >> charlie: the most special painting you have, ever? >> in the neue galerie. >> charlie: yes. and the fact is that is a landmark piece by a great artist christopher quinn at the height of his time and there's almost nothing like it. >> charlie: when you say that, what is it you think you see when you say, this is the best of all of the things, this one is the best? >> again, look at his work, and you say -- i always felt people have three categories, oh, oh my, and oh my god. this is oh my god. >> charlie: yes. and you feel he had a relationship and it took him four years to do the picture, so he must have had a four-year relationship. it's probably one of the most powerful pieces. when the nazis came in, they seized it and it stood in the belvedere for 50, 60 years, and because the austrians lost, finally, and maria altman, who is the niece of the family, finally got it out and went first to california, then came to neue galerie. >> charlie: you had something to do with that, didn't you? >> i did, i was way in the back. >> charlie: one of your concerns has been the restitution of art plundered and stolen by the nazis. >> what happened is the germans, first of all, when they took art, especially great art, kept very good records, and then the art sort of disappeared into museums and different places. and museums, when they have these things, are very reluctant to open their files and perhaps lose their key pieces. so what happens is a fight. we were pretty much stea stalemd in germany until a few years ago an art dealer for jewish stolen property -- >> charlie: for jewish stolen property. >> yes, he did other things but this was the main thing, and, at the some reason, at the end of the war, it was -- he was stuck with whatever was left. and then his son took over, and when his son -- because of taxes, somehow they found through this whole cache of paintings and drawings and prints, people have estimated it as much as $1 billion. >> charlie: all in one location? >> all in one location. really two. >> charlie: and none on the walls. >> none on the walls, hidden away. it was really two locations, but the major one was in munich, and there was a whole case i commissioned going through piece by piece to see which were stolen and which were not. but then, at the same time, the german government reacted and they're putting together a commission to go into the various museums and look and see what was purchased during the 1938 to '45, and the fact is we don't know what's in german museums. we have a good idea there's enough art in there. but many of the museums, particularly the smaller ones, don't want anyone to come in. and this commission is going to investigate each one. we have all the record. very often, some of these paintings were put not in museums but in various walls of different agencies, feel that no one's going to walk in there and see it, but its a pains taking task, but i believe we'll accomplish it. it's in all countries in europe. >> charlie: this is the book for the exhibit now on at the tbearneue galerie, how long wilt be there? >> until january. i think it's going to be bu onef the most popular shows. on the back, you see another portrait of him and again it's the power of what he's talking about. >> charlie: what's interesting is you're head of the world jewish council. >> congress. >> charlie: congress. and you have a long history in eastern europe win investments and also israel. so there's a lot to talk about in another visit but i just wanted the catch up on this art. thank you. >> thank you. please see the show as soon as you can. well put you at the front of the line. >> charlie: tory burch is here, the c.e.o. and designer of tory burch, a fashion and lifestyle company valued at more than $3 billion ant present in over 50 countries. president obama named her an ambassador for global entrepreneurship earlier this year. she seeks to increase small businesses globally. tory burch in color is her first book, a coffee table volume, and here is the trailer pore the foe book. ♪ ♪ >> charlie: living, you said, in full color is the guiding principle from the way i raise my children to the way i approach my work. explain what that means. >> thinking about color in general, our company has so much color all around. my parents taught me to embrace new, creative thinking. that's something we did, accept all kinds of people, use our imagination, and that really ties into the visual use of color. >> charlie: you have eleven colors including orange, blue, purposing, pink, yellow, white, black, natural and gold. any reason for the colors or colors omitted that were a runner up? >> some definitely were a given. i worked with our fung shway mast tore pick the best colors and put them in his order as well. >> charlie: what's the reason for the success of your company, do you think? >> you know, i think, in the beginning, we reached -- we entered the market and there was a wide space and it was a simple idea for me designing things i love that didn't cost a fortune. i think when we realized the impact that had, we saw the space was quite large. this area between contemporary and designer, that was open. >> charlie: between contemporary and designer? >> yeah. >> charlie: what's that area? we were considered contemporary but designer is much more expensive. >> charlie: you found a way to give designer input. >> designer feel. >> charlie: what do we need to empower more women? >> well, starting with men, we need to make men part of the conversation. i have three boys. i know you support women's issues. i think it's super important. it should be about the quality of the work, not the gender. >> charlie: what has been the hardest thing in terms of your own journey? >> gaining confidence to really believe in myself was a big one. the first article written on our company, a friend called and said it was great but you shied away from the word "ambition." she was absolutely right. i was kind of mad at myself because i was raised with three brothers, not knowing there was a difference in what we could do. our parents made us believe we could do anything. and when i looked at the article and myself, i was timid when facing that word and i would love to change it. >> charlie: anna writes about you, who wouldn't want to be tory burch? she's truly a sensational businesswoman. does that part surprise you or was that the easiest part of it? >> no, it surprises me. the whole company surprises me. i set out to do a little store in an off the way street in downtown new york, and five years three stores, possibly, was the business plan. but i had big hopes and aspirations. when i tried to raise money and said i wanted to start a global lifestyle brand, i had no idea. >> charlie: when you say that, you think landfall lauren. >> yeah, but i knew i wanted to start a foundation and be part of the business plan and i thought global because women with inspire me, not just american women. >> charlie: were there moments after you had the first store you thought, this is not going to work? >> many moments. >> charlie: yeah. we were on a great trajectory of growth in the first few years and that was exciting and the pace was fast. i had three little boys. a lot of balls up in the air, so a lot of figuring out, and clear obstacles in the last ten years. many times. >> charlie: the conflict -- a conflict, a divorce, all these different things. that said. >> charlie: is that behind you? >> totally behind me and everyone. what i learn is when i face conflicts i get more focused and i don't shy away. i face it and get stronger. i had to be a pillar for my company and my family. >> charlie: did it leave scars? take a toll? >> i don't think so. i think i'm an optimist at the end of the day and trying to make the best of every situation. that said, it was tough going through it. >> charlie: it was in the papers. >> it was in the papers. i was worried about protecting my three sons and stepdaughters and everything around us, so it was tough. >> charlie: that is the dream changed? >> not at all. i often said, i was with an entrepreneur event last week, and i said if you're not dreaming big enough to scare you, you're not dreaming big enough. i feel i have big dreams. >> charlie: your reach should exceed your grasp? >> yes, i guess that's true. i want to have impact with women and helping women. i've always wanted to help people, i thought it would be women and children. i realized if we can help women help themselves, it's not a charity. >> charlie: how do you do that globally? >> starting with the foundation in the u.s. and expanding it, it's important. >> charlie: what are you doing on the ground in asia? >> we are building our business over there so we have high hopes and -- >> charlie: and are their tastes different than, say, the tastes in the united states, or is exciting exciting, is pretty pretty? >> yes, we design different things for different markets. that said, the best sellers are the best sellers across the board and similar. >> charlie: it's interesting, because whether asia, africa, europe, latin america or the northern hemisphere, the best sellers will sell everywhere. >> in the end it's about the product. >> charlie: yeah. and tell me what your role is today. i mean, is it to be the c.e.o. and run the company or do you have -- because it's who you are, a closeness to design? >> so i, for the last ten years, have been the designer and c.e.o., and that's been very different for our industry. it's usually one or the other. i do have that left-right side of the brain but i love both and i learn on the job. i surround myself with excellent people who have a lot of skills and i love the design but i also love the business. about a month ago, i made an announcement and hired a co-c.e.o. >> charlie: because you want to focus on what? >> it wasn't because i was looking to fill the role. it was because of the person, a gentleman roger ferra who i admired from afar and made a call and said, can we have breakfast? turns out he just told the place he had been at the last ten years he was leaving. >> charlie: what i love about this story is until you call, you never know. >> no. >> charlie: so you're still very, very young. will there be a time in which you want to say, you know, i created this company, this company grows of its own? >> it's hard. my passion is really tied into this company. beyond that, it's my family, curiosity, helping things in the world, helping different kinds of people, entrepreneurs who are women, just getting involved and trying to make a difference, but the company is such a passion. i can't really see beyond that. >> charlie: when will you design things for men? soon? >> no, one day. we never got to the thing we talked about designing, the bathing suit. >> charlie: right, exactly. but when you think about the light that you have, is there something missing at all? >> i work very hard, but that said, i also love enjoying vacation a lot. for me, it's finding the balance. as we go, i don't really have a set plan. for me, it's just more of the same until we find new ways of doing it. always evolving, the company always learning myself and pushing in new directions, unexpected ones. so it -- to me, there's not really a set plan in place. >> charlie: and when the idea of the design comes together, i mean, is it tory or is it tory overseeing a group of people and selecting whatever the best ideas that perk late up from all of them? >> i would say it's both. i mean, for sure, i'm involved in setting the ideas, and then once i -- and i give inspiration. i'm involved in everything i make, i approve. i feel fortunate to be working with such a great group of thinkers. >> charlie: did you once say i want to create a non-bitchy fashion company? >> yes. >> charlie: what's that? it's about being straightforward, knowing where people stand, supporting people, having an environment that respects great work but is also a great place to be. >> charlie: culture is important. >> culculture is everything. >> charlie: creating a place that maximizes a contribution people who are part of the enterprise make. >> if you have happy people, they do their best work. it's pretty simplistic. >> charlie: how do you do that? >> it's a lot of work. it's a trickle-down effect. we talk about it a lot. we do culture surveys. we listen to what people are writing and saying. it's not easy. we definitely have work to do and always will. that said, we haue 80% of participation in the culture surveys, so we haven't engaged -- maybe out of 2500 employees, maybe 80% participate in the survey. >> charlie: eric schmidt said about you from google, there are always limitations when you have an iconic founder, limitations of time and other thingsers and he said there's only one tory. i assume the idea as you expand is making sure you have key people. >> yes. >> charlie: it becomes almost a -- >> necessity. >> charlie: -- necessity and imperative. >> yes, and we have key people before we hired roger, we have an incredible team. and also we are growing. when you become a different-size company, different complexities happen. we want to be prepared. >> charlie: great to have you at the table. >> thank you, charley. >> charlie: the book, "tory burch in color." as someone who loves color, you'll see a lot of it here. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> charlie: for more about this program and earlier episodes visit us online at pbs.org and charlierose.com. captioning sponsored by rose communications captioned by media access group at wgbh access.wgbh.org larriva: it's like holy mother of comfort food.ion. kastner: throw it down. it's noodle crack. patel: you have to be ready for the heart attack on a platter. crowell: okay, i'm the bacon guy, right? 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he died at 28. in eight years he produced a body of work that was phenomenal and is one of the three major austrian artists we have in neue galerie. and he is unique. we have opened a show of portraits. his portraits have so much power, so interesting. his self-portraits, even, full of sex and errot cism. >> charlie: we conclude with tory burch, fashion designer and entrepreneur. >> in five years, three stores, that was the business plan. i had big hopes and aspirations. when i was trying to raise money and wanted to start a brand, i had no idea. >> charlie: you thought ralph lauren. >> yeah, i knew i wanted to start a foundation and be part of the business plan. >> charlie: richard cohen, ron lauder and tory burch next. captioning sponsored by rose communications from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. >> charlie: richard cohen is here. he is a nationally syndicated columnist for "the washington post," sparked a controversy in 2006 when he opened his column with this sentence "the greatest mistake israel could make at the moment is to forget israel is a mistake." the response prompted him to explore his own history in a new book, "israel: is it good for the jews." pleased to have richard cohen at this table. well come. >> good to be here. >> charlie: tell me about that 2006 column and what happened afterward. >> well, i wrote it in the course of israel was once again at war this time with hesbollah in the north and you could see the pattern going back and forth, incessant war and terrorism. i used the word "mistake" which was a big mistake. but i couldn't come up with another word to describe the plight of israel as being a nation of 6 million jews surrounded by, i don't know, 100 million arabs, whatever the figure may b and this continuing incessant warfare which was going on and on. the reaction was incredible. i mean, i got my head taken off. a lot of people were very angry at me. >> charlie: what did they say and who were they? i don't mean specific names but where were they coming from and -- >> well, i mean, it was readers. and then also people who just happen to know me. i'i remember one guy stopped men the street and said, i heard you wrote this. so it was out there kind of in rumorville. but there were others who were more disturbing to me which were people i thought were sympathetic to israel who embraced me as someone who had gone over to the other side and now critical of israel. here was a jew who was critical of israel and i was embraced for that. >> charlie: and they were saying, you said what i'm thinking? >> yeah, it made me very uncomfortable because it wasn't what i was thinking. >> charlie: because you used the wrong word? >> i used the wrong word. i don't know to this day what's a better word for saying, look, in effect, if you wanted to find a place in the world that was safe and secure, you picked the wrong place. >> charlie: so what was there between that time and the response of that column and the beginning of this book? >> well, you know, time went by and i decided i was going to expand the column. as i started to expand on the column and do reading and look into what the situation was, i came around to changing my mind because i don't think israel is a mistake. i think it was inevitability and has great utility and essential. the second thing is history opened itself up. i became enraptured by it and i became very impressed not by the hole ho cost -- we all know about the holocaust and israel is the creation of the holocaust -- that's not it. there were two periods that were as important, one is the period before the holocaust in europe and the other after the holocaust in europe. by the time the holocaust started, there were already 750,000 european jews living in what became israel so it wasn't created because to have the holocaust, it was already in existence. in fact, there had been jewish settlers there for hundreds of years and starting in the 1880s, an increasing number of jewish settlers coming in from what was russia. so a lot of these people who were in europe in between the two wars who were living in these new nations that had been created by the collapse of the ottoman empire or the austrian-hungarian empire, the german empire, doesn't matter, the point is, these new democracies became rigidly antisemitic, that they went from a promised democracy to being authoritarian regimes that were belligerently antisemitic and many of the jews living in poland, hungary, rumania, needed to get out. >> charlie: and brought home to you when you went to a small village and traced one person who went to auschwitz and came back. >> i went to the town where my mother was born. my mother died two years ago, over 100.i3 my mother was an immigrant from poland. i went back to her town, where she was born, and there were no jews left. this town had been 50% jewish. they were all killed. but there was talk about one man who had come back after the war to reclaim his business and he was killed on the spot. i thought this was an anomaly, that this was a unique event. when i read about this period, i realized there were many jews killed after the holocaust because they went home, tried to reclaim their property, their house, and killed on the spot. in poland, something like 1500 jews -- >> charlie: after the war was over. >> after the war was over, the hatred was not. the holocaust was over but the killing of jews persisted. this time it was done by local people in eastern european countries, so the jews who survived and walked out of auschwitz, the pitiful few and they went into displaced person camps usually in southern germany run by the great general patton, right, and these people could not go home, they were afraid to go home. they had nowhere to go. the united states raised the barrier for immigration for anybody from eastern or southern europe so they couldn't get in. some jews did, most didn't. they needed a place. they wanted to go to palestine not because they were safe because they knew things were dicey there, but they felt at home. >> charlie: and they knew they were going into a middle of a land where people were not like them. >> yes. these were educated people for the most part. they knew what was going on. but they also felt they belonged there, that people there would look after them and protect them. i can't imagine, nobody can, i guess, what it was like to survive the holocaust and then go home and be afraid of your neighbors. to say when does the killing sop? when do people relent and forgive me for being a jew? >> charlie: what's interesting about this and the book, for me, is this is not a book about the ebb and flow of newspaper headlines, this is a book in which you went back and read more history than you imagined you would. one story led to another and another investigation on your part. you came out with an ability to answer this question or not? >> yeah. yeah. the answer to that question is yes. i mean, is israel good for the jews? yes. the other thing i came out of this book with was a real appreciation of antisemitism. that it is a powerful force that persists. >> charlie: today? today. i compare it to almost ebola. it's a passage. you beat it back. think it's gone and then it comes up again at you. first of all the islamic world is deeply antisemitic and has been for a long time. the people are writing and talking in the islamic world the way they used to in germany in the '30s. >> when you say that in a broad brush, the islamic world, you're talking about a particular part of the islamic world. >> yeah, not indonesia. >> charlie: right. radicalism. >> no, no, i'm talking about in general i am not talking about radicals. >> antisemitic. well, if you talk to people in the arab countries and you will see there's a level of acceptable antisemitism that nobody makes a big deal about. i cite in the book, for instance, i was in jordan for some conference and i open up the jordan times which english language newspaper, this was several years ago, and i read an account of what happened on september of 2001, september 9th, 2001, and you know what that was all about? what was about the massad organizing that terrorist attack because no jews were killed in a terrorist attack on the world trade center which is blatantently untrue. it was just ridiculous. somehow every jew was told to get out of the place before the attack. this runs in the jordanian paper. those are papers are censored. i don't know whether it was literally approved by the palace but it was accepted. people understood ump not offending the censors if you put that in the paper. this is endemic in the arab world. >> charlie: i had a conversation with them when i went there, can you believe what ahmadinejad was saying, who did not want to take the holocaust as genocide any different than any other genocide and was essentially angry, you know, about where israel had been created. so i said to this head of state, i said, can you believe what he's saying? he said, yeah, a lot of people do feel that way. it's something i talk about in the book because you don't get it from diplomats. you know, you go to dinner with diplomats in nashington. you well remember, the madison hotel. i call it the madison hotel syndrome, used to go to lunches with arab diplomats, some of which i considered friends, and didn't get that kind of language and they wouldn't have approved. back home, it was what's called double discourse, saying one thing in one place and another in another. >> charlie: antisemitism is not limited to the arab world. >> well, you see a revival of it now certainly in england and europe and even in germany. i mean, i have been to germany a lot and there was a time i thought this would never come back to germany because the german government was doing all the right things -- education, memorials, observing holocaust, all this sort of stuff -- but it's coming out now and from what i'm reading a lot of reports about the rise of antisemitism. i just think antisemitism is the world's greatest conspiracy theory. it can account for anything. you know, you can blame jews for almost anything that happens to you, happens to your government, happens to the economy and society. >> charlie: israel today is not a country that you don't find fault with. >> no, i find a lot of fault with israel. >> charlie: all right. i don't like the continued occupation, if that's the right word. you never know what words to use anymore. the west bank, i think that's a mistake. i think adding to the settlements is a mistake. >> charlie: you're using the word "mistake again." >> these are are mistakes. >> charlie: you used the word mistake in the first place, just seemed like a natural -- >> right. but i've always been critical of that. i thought when israel took the west bank, it lost it's moral monopoly. all of a sudden it's an occupation power. even benign occupation powers have to do certain things. they are riots, have to beat back -- you know, this has been tough. >> charlie: and the argument goes, it does something to your own psyche of the occupier. >> i think it does. i think it makes the troops -- i think they become calloused. the reports in israel, troops who won't serve in the west bank. reservists who won't go there. there's a good deal of pushback. i wouldn't say universal but some opposition to it. some israelis know exactly what they want, they want the west bank -- >> charlie: is that the majority? >> no. but the west bank is the israel of the bible. it's not tel aviv. tel aviv is something new under the sun. tel aviv is miami beach. doesn't matter. the west bank of the bible is jericho, hebron, jerusalem, that's the heartland, that's the spiritual center. very orthodox, religious people want the west bank. extreme nationalists want the west bank. the rest of the israelis are sort of caught in between, they don't know what the do. if i lived in israel, i would say, let's get out of the west bank. but it's easier to say on a day-to-day basis let's do nothing because, when they got out overgaza, what they got by way of thank you was rockets. >> charlie: do you think the israeli government would get out of west bank if they believed they were secure within the 67 boundaries? give or take? >> yeah. >> charlie: if they were confident and convinced of their own security -- >> yes. >> charlie: -- they don't want to occupy the west bank. >> yes, i firmly -- >> charlie: the government today, i'm not saying everybody in israel. >> no, no, no. i firmly -- oh, the present government? >> charlie: yeah. i don't know about the present government. if you say the israeli people by and large, i would say yes. the present government is a difference. it's a little bit mystery to me. i mean, bibi netanyahu is the son of benzion netanyahu who was so far to the right, very radical, but incredibly intelligent and a scholar but his politics were not mine by a long shot and he was the private secretary of zeb jabatinsky who is the representation of right wing politics in israel. he's been dead since 1940 but lives on. >> charlie: what did you learn looking to the life of herzl? >> herzl is a fascinating guy. herzl is the man who sort of created secular zionism at the end of the 19th century. he is so self- possessed, so sure of himself and has a vision and created something no one thought possible. he lived up the street from sigmund freud in vienna, and if he knew freud i believe he would have said see me every day. herzl was a secular jew, not religious at all. he didn't want to circumstance size his son which is a sacred commandment. he felt being jewish was so oppressive. owing up in vienna in the 19t 19th century and wanting to be a member of society, he was a talented man and a journalist. some journalists are talented, and, yet, wherever he went, he was confronted about. this he went to cover the dreyfus trial. >> charlie: what happened? it created antisemitism in france and dreyfus who was an officer was framed and he was framed because he was jewish. herzl is sitting in paris which is the most liberal city in europe, the most liberal city in the world, and you have this eruption of antisemitism and i think it set him back saying, if it happens here, it can happen anywhere. >> charlie: i have to go get on with my zionist plan. >> we have to find a refuge, a safe place for jews. >> charlie: what do you want people to get out of this? you've done this research, read history, come to the conclusion that israel is good for the jews, yet at the same time there is, throughout this book at the end, real concern. >> yes. >> charlie: about the future. of course, i'm concerned. >> charlie: what is it that concerns you? >> it's still this little place in this big world surround bid a lot of hostility. it's still a place where a lot of people are leaving. you know, there's anywhere from half a million to 750,000 israelis in the united states. now, some of them will go back, some won't. a lot won't. so israel is always in a precarious situation. look, they just ended this thing, whatever it is in gaza. before that, there was a thing in lebanon, and then back and forth. you never know what's going to be next. >> charlie: who won the gaza war? >> well, i think we won't know for a while. if, in fact -- >> charlie: because if the purpose was to destroy hamas, they didn't do it. >> no, they didn't do it. i think they knew they couldn't destroy hamas. but what they could do. >> charlie: destroy tunnels and materials to build rockets. >> right, but hamas is a perfect example of what i'm talking about. when israel pulled out of gaza, it wasn't hamas that ruled it, it was fatah, right? now it's hamas. hamas took over. >> charlie: because there was an election -- >> and they won. they won the election. so if the same thing happens in west bank, it goes from the palestinian authority to hamas, that's what scares the israelis. it's nine miles between the west bank, that border, and the sea in tel aviv, nine miles. >> charlie: do you think israel has taken sufficient risk to reach a peace agreement as they almost had with -- and the palestinians backed out at camp david with bill clinton, barak and yasser arafat? >> very hard for me to judge. >> charlie: barak was willing to go a long way. >> and rabin probably would have if he had not been killed. and even sharone pulled out of the gaza strip in real life. >> charlie: also understood the demographics. >> he did. >> charlie: is that part of the reason you worry about the future of the demographics is ariel sharon? >> yes, if israel stays in the west bank, there's 1.7 million to 2 million palestinians in the west bank. there's 2 million palestinians in israel. israel is 20% palestinian. so between the two, you would have a majority in no time at all of palestinians. the only way you can control them is with force. you don't want to do that. this was not herzl's dream. this is not what ben gurion wanted. >> charlie: there's a debate in america among american jews about the power with of american jews on american foreign policy. where do you come down on that? >> well, i think, clearly, american jews have an influence on american foreign policy. why not? >> charlie: so do american catholics. >> there's a boycott of cuba and it's not because i or you care about cuba so much, it's because a lot of cubans in miami want it that way. >> charlie: that's changing, too. >> everything changes. s in a legitimate impression of political desire. there's nothing wrong with that. we all recoil when the term "jewish lobby" is used. it's weaker than the n.r.a. >> charlie: ho how does media cover what we're talking about? >> there was a lot of criticism in the last go around in gaza about an imbalance, that it was too -- that it was too sympathetic to the palestinians in gaza and too harsh on israel. you can't get around this in a day and age when the picture is everything. it's a video of kids being killed, video of schools being blown up, accidentally or not, but the fact is they were blown up. you have all these -- this is gripping stuff. on the other side, you don't have anything comparable. so the media covers, just like local media, if it bleeds, it leads, you know, and this becomes the story. so israel, i think, you know, was not treated fairly, but was understandable to me the way it came out. >> charlie: it's interesting when you talk about the obama administration to me because netanyahu and the american ambassador, whether the present, previous ambassadors, always will say that the obama administration, whatever the conflict is with the prime minister and the president, you know, that america's been very sensitive to the military security needs of israel. >> yeah, absolutely. it's been -- that not only hasn't changed, it's greater. >> charlie: right. "israel: is it good for the jews," richard cohen. good to have you here, thank you. >> glad to be here. >> charlie: ron lauder is here, one of the billionaires to the estee lauder cosmetics fortune, former ambassador to austria and president of the jewish council. president of new york's neue galerie. the current show is egon schiele: portraits, known for draftsmanship and sexually provocative subject matter. he played a role in modernism. he died at 28 of spanish flu. pleased to have ron lauder back. welwelcome. >> thank you. >> charlie: everyone says you have one of the great eyes. what do you think they mean? >> it'it's something you learn d something you're born with. they showed me ten pieces of art, and i'll pick usually the best one just by chance. i may not even know the artist. and it's a gift. >> charlie: yeah, but you started very early. >> i started as a teenager. at 14. i must tell you, it's the most exciting thing i did, and people walk into a gallery, look over my shoulder and look for my parents, i would be walking in and asking about certain pictures, and when i started collecting egon schiele, some of the drawings were $300 to $500 and the water colors were $1,000 to $3,000, when you could find them, and today the same things are $150,000 for drawings and up to $10 million for the water colors. so it's amazing. but egon schiele was one of the greatertists, i believe, of the 20th century and unfortunately died at 28, as you said. between 1910 and 1918, those eight years, he produced a body of work that was phenomenal, and he's one of the three major austrian artists in neue galerie. he opened a show of portraits. his portraits have so much power. his self-portraits, even, full of sex and erotism, it's fantastic. >> charlie: what was his genius? >> his genius was to look into a person and feel what that person felt. >> charlie: and express it with his hand. >> and express it with his hands and be able to express it with a certain power. he also had no inhibitions to show people as they were. >> charlie: he came under the influence of gustav? >> in the beginning. some of the early paintings you can see very much influence. then by 1910 he started to do his own thing and it was amazing. those pictures of 1910 with the red bodies and the people with contorted arms, it's truly amazing. >> charlie: and the curator of this is alexandra comini? >> yes. she is spectacular. the whole staff of the neue galerie is very special, particularly director reneée price, and together they put together the show which the first night they opened, i think there was a three-hour wait to get in, and it's because egon schiele is such a unique artist. >> charlie: he's unique because of what? >> first of all, when he did this work in 1910, no one has done that kind of work, and he showed people in a crude, strong way. at the same time, he can show women in a soft way, butteth a juxtaposition of the two different things. >> charlie: he grew up as photography was just becoming widely used. >> yeah. >> charlie: did it influence him? >> i don't know how much it influenced him. he did all his pictures, obviously, with a nude in front of him or the person standing right in front of him. but photography in austria, at that time, was just starting, and it was a whole movement. interesting enough, schiele did not necessarily have that much money, initially, so he would get different models wherever he could find them. unfortunately, in 1912, because he had used models of younger girls than 16 and younger, he was put into jail. >> charlie: put in prison. put in prison for a short period of time. >> charlie: and one of the rooms in the exhibit was dedicated to that time. >> what's interesting is the work he did in prison was, again, very, very powerful. >> charlie: so prison impacted him? >> very much so. he also was in world war i and you can see some of the drawings he had of russian soldiers he captured, and the basic things of the war, just pictures, again, have a certain power to them. these are only on portraits, but his portraits were the most important thing he did. >> charlie: how was he influenced by the following things: vienna. >> an explosion of architecture, art, music, everything happening at the turn of the century, and artists were able to express themselves in a strong way. you have artist after artist, and one left unknown because he committed suicide early, but it was an explosion and color was something interesting because they use very much influence. i think by the french, the reds, the greens, the blues, and he was able to take a person's face and paint all the colors and it was unbelievable. feel the angst and the emotion. >> charlie: vienna was the city of mala and freud. >> yes. >> charlie: did they influence him? >> i'm sure they did. it was all together. in the case of vienna at that time, you had the writers writing about sex. sex played a critical role, obviously, in freud. malan less so, but the whole musician impression was amazing. >> charlie: one of the rooms is about his erotic works. >> yes. >> charlie: where did that come from? >> the fact he wanted to break all the barriers. he did self-portraits of himself naked a lot, and very often he showed important people naked from the waste-up, and you could see them with their hands like this. amazing. >> charlie: when did you buy your first piece? >> when i was 14. >> charlie: is that right? yeah. >> charlie: just attractive to you the idea of -- >> what happened is when i was 13 1/2 i went into a book store on lexington avenue called e.y., and i was looking for a tract i was interested in at that time and i saw egon schiele and i took the book out and started looking through it. i realized this person was very special. but at that time, nobody had schiele. they didn't know him. most were in private collections. all of a sudden, i found, finally, one schiele drawing, and i paid $600 for it. in fact, years later when i sold it or traded it, ended up in one of the great collections in vienna, fantastic. but my family looked at me and said, our son must be crazy! what is he buying these pictures for? >> charlie: have you wanted to paint? >> i did paint. >> charlie: you did? yes. >> charlie: did you stop or still paint? >> i stopped. >> charlie: why? because you knew too much? >> frankly, i could never compete. i knew too much, right, and also, in order to paint, i believe for any artist, you have to have a certain fire in your stomach, and i had more of a fire in my stomach to buy great art than i did -- >> charlie: and you were consumed by politics and business and other things as well. >> business came later. politics came sooner. >> charlie: all right. let me take a look at some of these. we've got some we want to show you and we'll come back to more about the artist. the first image is a portrait of gerte schiele. 1909. >> yes. >> charlie: heavily influenced by adelle bower. >> you can see the influence of gustav clint particularly around the waist and the bottom, multi-colored, but, yet, at the same time, schiele was starting to become his own person, and the use of the hand, you can just see a little bit of it there, shows the -- his own influence, and using the black around the back to make it stand out, you can see how special it was. >> charlie: okay, the next one is a portrait of dr. irwin van grof, 1910. >> he was a gynecologist and, frankly, this picture usually hangs in my home in the sense that it's a powerful picture. you can see his hands, his red face, almost, and the angst there. >> charlie: it is said he painted this in return for an abortion for one of his many mistresses. >> i think the information is very well informed. this is a picture, again. this is the story, we're not sure if it's true or not, but sounds good. >> charlie: the next one is a self-portrait with arm twisted above head. 1910. many of the self-portraits. >> you can see he was very inhibited, very shy, didn't want to really get out there and be in society. but here he is, he's naked, and with his hand behind his head. look at the pose. the pose is so unique, especially for that time. and people didn't do portraits like that. >> charlie: he was breaking new ground. >> breaking new ground. >> charlie: even one of masturbation? >> yes. he did all kinds of things. one of the things we have in my gallery is limited to who can come in, it's one of the few museums you have to be over a certain age. >> charlie: next is wally in a red blouse, 1913, a portrait of one of his many serious lovers. >> and now he's getting -- he's changing slightly. he's getting away from the 1910 sort of powerful pictures, but he's much more subtle now. but yet it has the same sexual part of it, and we're not sure, we think she was literally lying on the floor with her legs up like this -- >> charlie: yes. -- and he used this piece more and more, but it's very -- you can just feel the slight eroticism in the face. here's a painting that was never shown in the united states. you can see the use of colors. also here's a portrait where he's gotten softer, but yet the way the portrait is done is so unique because of the way the dress looks. >> charlie: love the colors. fantastic. >> charlie: the family is in 1918. this is the year he died. his wife and unborn child. >> his wife was six months pregnant and she died and he died a few days later. >> charlie: all of the spanish flu? >> yes. the time he was started to be recognized. >> charlie: 28 years old. 28 years old. again, he's changing his style a little bit. he's become more sensitive in a different way but still has the eroticism of his wife naked in front of him. >> charlie: you paid $135 million for an adelle bower. >> for the galerie, it's a mona lisa, the most special painting we have in the gallery. >> charlie: the most special painting you have, ever? >> in the neue galerie. >> charlie: yes. and the fact is that is a landmark piece by a great artist christopher quinn at the height of his time and there's almost nothing like it. >> charlie: when you say that, what is it you think you see when you say, this is the best of all of the things, this one is the best? >> again, look at his work, and you say -- i always felt people have three categories, oh, oh my, and oh my god. this is oh my god. >> charlie: yes. and you feel he had a relationship and it took him four years to do the picture, so he must have had a four-year relationship. it's probably one of the most powerful pieces. when the nazis came in, they seized it and it stood in the belvedere for 50, 60 years, and because the austrians lost, finally, and maria altman, who is the niece of the family, finally got it out and went first to california, then came to neue galerie. >> charlie: you had something to do with that, didn't you? >> i did, i was way in the back. >> charlie: one of your concerns has been the restitution of art plundered and stolen by the nazis. >> what happened is the germans, first of all, when they took art, especially great art, kept very good records, and then the art sort of disappeared into museums and different places. and museums, when they have these things, are very reluctant to open their files and perhaps lose their key pieces. so what happens is a fight. we were pretty much stea stalemd in germany until a few years ago an art dealer for jewish stolen property -- >> charlie: for jewish stolen property. >> yes, he did other things but this was the main thing, and, at the some reason, at the end of the war, it was -- he was stuck with whatever was left. and then his son took over, and when his son -- because of taxes, somehow they found through this whole cache of paintings and drawings and prints, people have estimated it as much as $1 billion. >> charlie: all in one location? >> all in one location. really two. >> charlie: and none on the walls. >> none on the walls, hidden away. it was really two locations, but the major one was in munich, and there was a whole case i commissioned going through piece by piece to see which were stolen and which were not. but then, at the same time, the german government reacted and they're putting together a commission to go into the various museums and look and see what was purchased during the 1938 to '45, and the fact is we don't know what's in german museums. we have a good idea there's enough art in there. but many of the museums, particularly the smaller ones, don't want anyone to come in. and this commission is going to investigate each one. we have all the record. very often, some of these paintings were put not in museums but in various walls of different agencies, feel that no one's going to walk in there and see it, but its a pains taking task, but i believe we'll accomplish it. it's in all countries in europe. >> charlie: this is the book for the exhibit now on at the tbearneue galerie, how long wilt be there? >> until january. i think it's going to be bu onef the most popular shows. on the back, you see another portrait of him and again it's the power of what he's talking about. >> charlie: what's interesting is you're head of the world jewish council. >> congress. >> charlie: congress. and you have a long history in eastern europe win investments and also israel. so there's a lot to talk about in another visit but i just wanted the catch up on this art. thank you. >> thank you. please see the show as soon as you can. well put you at the front of the line. >> charlie: tory burch is here, the c.e.o. and designer of tory burch, a fashion and lifestyle company valued at more than $3 billion ant present in over 50 countries. president obama named her an ambassador for global entrepreneurship earlier this year. she seeks to increase small businesses globally. tory burch in color is her first book, a coffee table volume, and here is the trailer pore the foe book. ♪ ♪ >> charlie: living, you said, in full color is the guiding principle from the way i raise my children to the way i approach my work. explain what that means. >> thinking about color in general, our company has so much color all around. my parents taught me to embrace new, creative thinking. that's something we did, accept all kinds of people, use our imagination, and that really ties into the visual use of color. >> charlie: you have eleven colors including orange, blue, purposing, pink, yellow, white, black, natural and gold. any reason for the colors or colors omitted that were a runner up? >> some definitely were a given. i worked with our fung shway mast tore pick the best colors and put them in his order as well. >> charlie: what's the reason for the success of your company, do you think? >> you know, i think, in the beginning, we reached -- we entered the market and there was a wide space and it was a simple idea for me designing things i love that didn't cost a fortune. i think when we realized the impact that had, we saw the space was quite large. this area between contemporary and designer, that was open. >> charlie: between contemporary and designer? >> yeah. >> charlie: what's that area? we were considered contemporary but designer is much more expensive. >> charlie: you found a way to give designer input. >> designer feel. >> charlie: what do we need to empower more women? >> well, starting with men, we need to make men part of the conversation. i have three boys. i know you support women's issues. i think it's super important. it should be about the quality of the work, not the gender. >> charlie: what has been the hardest thing in terms of your own journey? >> gaining confidence to really believe in myself was a big one. the first article written on our company, a friend called and said it was great but you shied away from the word "ambition." she was absolutely right. i was kind of mad at myself because i was raised with three brothers, not knowing there was a difference in what we could do. our parents made us believe we could do anything. and when i looked at the article and myself, i was timid when facing that word and i would love to change it. >> charlie: anna writes about you, who wouldn't want to be tory burch? she's truly a sensational businesswoman. does that part surprise you or was that the easiest part of it? >> no, it surprises me. the whole company surprises me. i set out to do a little store in an off the way street in downtown new york, and five years three stores, possibly, was the business plan. but i had big hopes and aspirations. when i tried to raise money and said i wanted to start a global lifestyle brand, i had no idea. >> charlie: when you say that, you think landfall lauren. >> yeah, but i knew i wanted to start a foundation and be part of the business plan and i thought global because women with inspire me, not just american women. >> charlie: were there moments after you had the first store you thought, this is not going to work? >> many moments. >> charlie: yeah. we were on a great trajectory of growth in the first few years and that was exciting and the pace was fast. i had three little boys. a lot of balls up in the air, so a lot of figuring out, and clear obstacles in the last ten years. many times. >> charlie: the conflict -- a conflict, a divorce, all these different things. that said. >> charlie: is that behind you? >> totally behind me and everyone. what i learn is when i face conflicts i get more focused and i don't shy away. i face it and get stronger. i had to be a pillar for my company and my family. >> charlie: did it leave scars? take a toll? >> i don't think so. i think i'm an optimist at the end of the day and trying to make the best of every situation. that said, it was tough going through it. >> charlie: it was in the papers. >> it was in the papers. i was worried about protecting my three sons and stepdaughters and everything around us, so it was tough. >> charlie: that is the dream changed? >> not at all. i often said, i was with an entrepreneur event last week, and i said if you're not dreaming big enough to scare you, you're not dreaming big enough. i feel i have big dreams. >> charlie: your reach should exceed your grasp? >> yes, i guess that's true. i want to have impact with women and helping women. i've always wanted to help people, i thought it would be women and children. i realized if we can help women help themselves, it's not a charity. >> charlie: how do you do that globally? >> starting with the foundation in the u.s. and expanding it, it's important. >> charlie: what are you doing on the ground in asia? >> we are building our business over there so we have high hopes and -- >> charlie: and are their tastes different than, say, the tastes in the united states, or is exciting exciting, is pretty pretty? >> yes, we design different things for different markets. that said, the best sellers are the best sellers across the board and similar. >> charlie: it's interesting, because whether asia, africa, europe, latin america or the northern hemisphere, the best sellers will sell everywhere. >> in the end it's about the product. >> charlie: yeah. and tell me what your role is today. i mean, is it to be the c.e.o. and run the company or do you have -- because it's who you are, a closeness to design? >> so i, for the last ten years, have been the designer and c.e.o., and that's been very different for our industry. it's usually one or the other. i do have that left-right side of the brain but i love both and i learn on the job. i surround myself with excellent people who have a lot of skills and i love the design but i also love the business. about a month ago, i made an announcement and hired a co-c.e.o. >> charlie: because you want to focus on what? >> it wasn't because i was looking to fill the role. it was because of the person, a gentleman roger ferra who i admired from afar and made a call and said, can we have breakfast? turns out he just told the place he had been at the last ten years he was leaving. >> charlie: what i love about this story is until you call, you never know. >> no. >> charlie: so you're still very, very young. will there be a time in which you want to say, you know, i created this company, this company grows of its own? >> it's hard. my passion is really tied into this company. beyond that, it's my family, curiosity, helping things in the world, helping different kinds of people, entrepreneurs who are women, just getting involved and trying to make a difference, but the company is such a passion. i can't really see beyond that. >> charlie: when will you design things for men? soon? >> no, one day. we never got to the thing we talked about designing, the bathing suit. >> charlie: right, exactly. but when you think about the light that you have, is there something missing at all? >> i work very hard, but that said, i also love enjoying vacation a lot. for me, it's finding the balance. as we go, i don't really have a set plan. for me, it's just more of the same until we find new ways of doing it. always evolving, the company always learning myself and pushing in new directions, unexpected ones. so it -- to me, there's not really a set plan in place. >> charlie: and when the idea of the design comes together, i mean, is it tory or is it tory overseeing a group of people and selecting whatever the best ideas that perk late up from all of them? >> i would say it's both. i mean, for sure, i'm involved in setting the ideas, and then once i -- and i give inspiration. i'm involved in everything i make, i approve. i feel fortunate to be working with such a great group of thinkers. >> charlie: did you once say i want to create a non-bitchy fashion company? >> yes. >> charlie: what's that? it's about being straightforward, knowing where people stand, supporting people, having an environment that respects great work but is also a great place to be. >> charlie: culture is important. >> culculture is everything. >> charlie: creating a place that maximizes a contribution people who are part of the enterprise make. >> if you have happy people, they do their best work. it's pretty simplistic. >> charlie: how do you do that? >> it's a lot of work. it's a trickle-down effect. we talk about it a lot. we do culture surveys. we listen to what people are writing and saying. it's not easy. we definitely have work to do and always will. that said, we haue 80% of participation in the culture surveys, so we haven't engaged -- maybe out of 2500 employees, maybe 80% participate in the survey. >> charlie: eric schmidt said about you from google, there are always limitations when you have an iconic founder, limitations of time and other thingsers and he said there's only one tory. i assume the idea as you expand is making sure you have key people. >> yes. >> charlie: it becomes almost a -- >> necessity. >> charlie: -- necessity and imperative. >> yes, and we have key people before we hired roger, we have an incredible team. and also we are growing. when you become a different-size company, different complexities happen. we want to be prepared. >> charlie: great to have you at the table. >> thank you, charley. >> charlie: the book, "tory burch in color." as someone who loves color, you'll see a lot of it here. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> charlie: for more about this program and earlier episodes visit us online at pbs.org and charlierose.com. captioning sponsored by rose communications captioned by media access group at wgbh access.wgbh.org >> what if i told you that you could change your life in just 10 days? 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front of us. i'm not a scientist. i'm not an expert in footballs. i'm not an expert in football measurements. i'm just telling you what i know. i would not say that i'm a mona lisa of the football world. >> want to go straight to our sarah gannon who was in the room for that impromptu press conference today when belichick defiantly defended his team. sarah? >> reporter: poppy, bill belichick, the head coach of the patriots held an unexpected press conference today to explain he conducted a series of experiments in the last few days to try and figure out why it is that several of the footballs that the team used during last week's afc championship game were underinflated. take a listen to what he said. >> we simulated a game-day situation. in terms of the preparation of the footballs and where the footballs were at various points in time during the day or night as the case was sunday. >> reporter: now, belichick also stressed that it's not his team not the equipment managers not the players who inflate the balls, it's officials. he said his team can recommend a psi, pounds per square inch that they want the balls to be inflated to and he said that quarterback tom brady likes his footballs to be inflated to a certain level but then they leave that in the hands of the official officials to measure the football theys provide and make sure they fall within the rule what is the psi should be when they're playing the game. he was also asked what's next, how do they prevent this from happening at the big game next week at the super bowl if as he alluded to this was an act of science, of atmospheric pressure messing with the footballs, and he said that was an important question, something he wanted to explore but was not something he felt should be addressed today. there is an ongoing nfl investigation. we have conducted more than 40 interviews at this point. the nfl also says they are examining other evidence as well. interestingly, the last time we heard from quarterback tom brady he had not yet been interviewed by the nfl. however, their investigation is ongoing and there is no time line on that investigation so it's unclear if we'll have any of the answers to these questions before the super bowl. >> sara ganim for us. thank you, sara. let's bring in espn columnist and senior writer l.z. granderson. you listened to this press conference i listened to it today. how much of this in terms of a lot of people making assumptions, blaming the patriots before evidence is out there, how much has to to with 2007 when the patriots got caught in spygate videotaping opponents? >> a great deal to do with it in part of what the patriots did but also what the nfl did. they destroyed all the tapes linked to spygate so something about this aura of skepticism with fans and with the media not just with the patriots but also now the nfl treats the patriots because they're kind of seen as like the crown jewel if you will of the nfl and some people think tom brady gets trited edtreated differently than other quarterbacks. so 2007 has almost everything to do with it but then also you have the added part where is tom brady is seen as being treated differently in the media than other quarterbacks and players. >> l.z. i read the full transcript of that, you know tom brady press conference on thursday saw part of it. he was asked tough, tough questions over and over again. do you think he's getting special treatment or are people hoading him to a higher standard? >> you have to remember this controversy began sunday at halftime. tom brady was in front of us talking about this and detailing till thursday after his coach's press conference hours after his coach's press conference. i don't think you need to hire olivia pope to prep somebody for questions when that you have many days to get ready for the media and not to mention he's used to answering tough questions in all his years in the nfl. i wasn't surprised he handled it as well as he did. i was surprised he thought the answers he gave in day were going to be enough to salts fi not just the fans but the media as well. >> interesting, bill belichick in that presser today saying look this is the end of the subject for me for a long time. he clearly says i'm done addressing it. he's going to be asked about it a lot on tuesday, media day ahead of the nfl, and in every opportunity journalists have with him. did you find -- i'm interested in how you found his demeanor today and the way he held this press conference. >> it was typical bill belichick. anyone who's seen him in press conferences are used to him not only dropping the occasional pop culture references as he did in that conference but also having a defiant sort of stance. i have a great deal of respect for him as a coach. i still think he's probably the greatest coach in nfl history, but he's also known to have at least a public persona that's a little bit cold and can come across as arrogant. i think that's what a lot of people saw. if you hadn't seen him before, that's just kind of how he is at least in public. >> you know, what matters here is the facts, and frankly that's just what we don't have right now. we have espn reporting 11 of the 12 balls were underinflated, the nfl corroborating that but that's it. are you concerned far too many people may have made their decision before the evidence is presented? >> we have what the nfl said itself. if you want to eliminate media companies including my own has said and look at what the nfl has said it said it too has found balls to be deflated. we know from science it's easier to catch and throw balls and more important easier to hold onto a football that's slightly deflated. if you look at the statistics the patriots have probably the best hands in football when it comes to holding onto the football. they only fumbled once in rushing and didn't lose that one fumble. way below what you see other teams in the nfl do. if they're playing with deflated balls that would help explain that. if. it's important in the context of the game the nfl figure out what's happening, whether or not the patriots are consciously doing this or as bill belichick hinted a by-product of science. >> who knows when we'll get a determination from the nfl. great to have you on. >> thank you. isis may be testing a new strategy after a chilling video of two hostages is released. the video appears to announce that only one hostage is still alive now that a ransom deadline for $200 million has passed. this is what these two hostaged looked like when isis released images of them more than a week ago. cnn is not airing the new video today from which kenji goto is holding a photograph that appears to show haruna yukawa beheaded. also today isis has a new demand to keep that remaining hostage alive. they want a woman held prisoner in jordan to be released. she was arrested in 2005. will ripley has more on how japan is reacting to this new video and the new demand. >> reporter: outrage in tokyo from the prime minister and other top officials strongly condemning this video which includes a graphic photo that is believed to be proof of the brutal murder the beheading of a japanese hostage, yukawa who went to the middle east dreaming of a new life with a fresh start only to end up in the hands of isis, di played in a propaganda video and now a picture purportedly of his body being distributed over the internet. another situation that has to be dealt with is kenji goto, the other hostage, the journalist whose voice purportedly appears on this video. hasn't been authenticated yet. they are not 100% certain that kenji goto is still alive and is the voice on that recording pleading directly to his wife, the mother of his two young daughters, to convince the japanese government to talk to another government the government of jordan and try to convince them to make a deal, to trade a convicted terrorist, partially responsible for an attack that left dozens of people dead, to allow that convicted terrorist to walk free in exchange for his own life. the new video also used goto who is well respected and well liked here in. panel, to shame prime minister abe saying it was his fault that his friend was murdered. but time is of the essence here. even though this video contained no deadline, no specific time frame for this prison release, we know from previous experience that isis will only keep a hostage alive in they feel a person is valuable to them in some way. this could end one of two way, some sort of a deal that would allow kenji goto to come home to japan and reunite with his wife and chirp or much more tragically. will ripley cnn, tokyo. >> thank you for that report. the latest demand by isis to trade one japanese hostage for this woman, sajida al-rishawi has everyone wondering who she is and why is she so important to isis. here's what we know. in 2005 60 people died when suicide bombers attacked three hotels in the country's capital. shortly after sajida al rishawi made a confession. she said she was sent to iraq to kill in jordan and this was her confession. " "it was almost unemotional and there was no mention of why she carried out the mission. sajida al rishawi is made to display a belt of explosives crudely linked with tapes, officials say, to a pack of ball bearings. >> reporter: my husband wore an explosive belt and put one on me. he taught me tow to use it. the targets were hotels. there was a wedding ceremony in the hotel. there were women, men, and children. my husband detonated his bomb and i tried to set off mine but failed. >> the iraqi woman was sentenced to death by hanging. despite her confession she pled not guilty in court. defense attorneys argued she confessed on television only after she was tortured by authorities. they say she was forced to participate in the attack by her husband but that she had no intention of detonating the sploichs. however, explosives experts testified the triggering mechanism on her belt had jammed. her lawyers say she accepted the verdict so i can verdict stoically. >> reporter: she asked what the verdict was and i said capital punishment. she asked if it could appealed. she said kill me or send me to my parents. >> she is related to a former aide of abu musab al zarqawi, the former leader of al qaeda in iraq. he claimed responsibility for ordering the bombings. he was killed in 2006 by a usair strike in iraq. joining me to discuss, cnn intelligence and security analyst, former cia operative bob baer. any chance the jordanians will release her in order to try to save the life of japanese hostage kenji goto? >> i think there are none. jordanians their prisons are full of people close to the islamic state and other terrorist groups and they don't play this game. they're not going to do it. especially this was such a devastating attack to the jordanians, that hotel attack in 2005. i would be very surprised if they would agree. >> i'm interested in your take on the fact isis has reversed course on what they want going from the $200 million demand they didn't get and now this. does this tell us anything about where isis is in terms of their mentality? >> first of all, we're not exactly sure this is the islamic state or isis that took two japanese hostages. it may be a copycat group. it still needs to be authenticated, the tape and the people in it. once that's done otherwise it makes no sense, but these people are not exactly rational. i don't think the japanese would pay $200 million for the release of these two hostages or one now. there's some personal connection to this woman which frankly i don't understand. zarqawi, this is a long time ago, long before the founding of the islamic state so, hay whooi they want her back is incomp incomprehensible to me. >> before we go this report out this week that u.s. and coalition forces have killed about 6,000 members of isis about half of what is believed to be their force on the ground. does that change the game for isis in any way or embolden them? >> i think they're desperate at this point and they're expecting an offensive against mosul. that's been leaked this summer. and they're going to fight back all the harder. but they have so this m recruits flowing into syria and iraq they'll be able to replenish this. i talked to a friend who was just this and a lot of central asians are showing up. they are replenishing their ranks and will put up a good fight for mosul. >> wow. it is a prolonged battle that this country and coalition forces are fighting against isis. bob baer thanks. >> okay. terrifying new levels of violence in ukraine. are there any hopes for this coming to a peaceful end? ♪ go! go! go! he's challenging the very fabric of society. in a post cannonball world! was it grilled cheese? guilty! the aquatic delinquency is a larger issue to this ♪ you did it again, didn't you? yup. ♪ it's the family plan families are flocking to. now at t-mobile, get 4 lines for just a $100. with unlimited talk, text, and up to 10gb of 4g lte data, plus devices like the galaxy note 4 for $0 down. we'll even buy out your family service contracts. so switch to t-mobile and get 4 lines for a $100 today. fact. when you take advil you get relief right at the site of pain. wherever it is. advil stops pain right where it starts. relief doesn't get any better than this. advil. at least 16 people were killed and more than 80 injured in shelling. regional police blamed pro-russian separatists for the attacks which struck civilians just trying to live their lives. earlier this week a separatist leader se he has no interest in peace talks because his troops are on the offensive. ukraine's president used a dramatic prop to point the finger of blame squarely at russia. >> i felt felt the heat of the fragments of the russian missiles which hit my people and for me this is a symbol symbol of the terrorist attack against my people. the same symbol like "charlie hebdo" and the same way a symbol like a terroristic attack which was done by russian missile operating by russian officer against mh-17 flight of malaysian airlines which were killed 298 innocent victim from 17 countries. which demonstrate that the terror is not a problem of ukraine and not the problem of europe. this is a global problem. >> michael weiss, thanks for joining us. this hasn't been in the headlines for a few months really and now it is back in the headline rightly so because civilians are dying, people living in the crosshairs of this are dying. this ceasefire in september seems to have fallen apart the moment it began. >> never existed. it was kept at a low rumble but separatists were still firing on ukrainian army positions and vice versa. in the last swooefshlgs there's been an intense battle for donetsk international airport, which has now fall on the separatists. when president obama got up for the state of the union as he was speaking and saying, you know putin is isolated and being pushed back and all this, the ukrainians were losing. >> right. >> i think this is probably one of the worst days for civilian casualties since the war began. you guys have it a slightly lower death toll than what i've received. 30 civilians i think have been killed. >> okay. >> there's a haunting video that's been circulating on the internet. a guy in his car has a dashcam and he takes sortover video footage of the road ahead of him and all of a sudden this intense bombardment of shelling just blows up the stretch of road in front of him. >> there are also been reports that rebel forces may have used poison gas. the monitoring people on the ground there are saying this was used likely at donetsk airport. >> right. >> 80-some ukrainian soldiers saying they had multiple reactions to this. >> right. >> i'm wondering what you think should happen now. we've had some in congress calling for u.s. boots on the ground here should the u.n. step in here? what more can be done? >> there is a unanimity against ukrainians that at the very least the united states should be supplying them with weapons. when i say weapon i mean specific types of weapons or military equipment, surveillance drone which is they haven't got to monitor rebel positions, things like that certain kind of anti-tank missile. ukraine is one of the world's leading manufacturers in arms. it has plenty of ammunition and ak-47s -- >> something specialized. >> right, and we failed to do that. the only thing the u.s. has sent thus far is a certain type of armored vehicle, defensive equipment but not offensive equipment. >> for a lot of people watch inging this is so far away how does this affect me, what 'cause it mean geopolitically talking tact u.s. can you break it down for why this matters? >> yes, because in the mind of vladimir putin and the people voupding him in the kremlin -- when i say people surrounding and advising him, those who are most rah-rah about this war are the security services, the heirs of the kgb, military the oligarchs and the sort of business elites are touchy about what's going on. in his mind this is not a war for ukraine, this is a war against the united states. there was a "new york times" article published yesterday i think, somebody very close to the government said this is a holy war, he is on a holy mission to restore the russian empire. >> sure. >> the rebel leader said today in announcing or heralding this operation that kiev belongs to russia so this is a messianic mission here. this is probably the worst time since the end of the cold war in u.s./rulgs relations. >> wow. one-word answer yes, no are the u.s. sanctions against russia working? >> no. >> no. we have to do more. >> not to stop the war. >> michael weiss, good to have you on the program. thank you very much. >> yep. >> also weather so much instability in the middle east president obama planning to cut his visit to india short. where is he going? saudi arabia. okay, listen up! i'm re-workin' the menu. mayo? corn dogs? you are so outta here! aah! 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[ bottle ] ensure®. nutrition in charge™. president obama arrives in india in just a few hours. he is on air force one right now on his way there, but his trip will be cut short so he can visit saudi arabia following the death of saudi arabia's king king. cnn cnn's international correspondent is there. what will the sudden change of plans do to the trip he planned and all he hoped to see where you are? >> not much poppy, because he's only cutting short his trip by a few hour really just canceling his trip to the taj mahal, of course the iconic architectural wonder, the monument of love. president obama had expressed his desire to visit the taj mahal when he was here in india back in 2010 but he had to cut that trip short because of course he is going to saudi arabia. vice president joe biden was expected or supposed to actually travel to saudi arabia with delegation but the white house says plans were changed but a it turns out the president's departure from india and the vice president's plans actually coincided. so president obama will be going -- he will not miss out on much of the substantial talks that are going to take place, the bilateral talks. and of course the republic day parade happening on monday. that is the day in 1950 when india's first constitution was adopted and that's the day president obama and the prime minister will be sitting out in the open for 2 1/2 hours watching this extravagant pa ray, a real show for india culturally militarily and the symbolism won't be lost on anyone poppy. >> prime minister modi has really made waves since taking over and a lot of hope has been placed in him in terms of india's economic growth and development. can you gives us a sense of what's going to be on the agenda what the president and he would like to talk about most? >> reporter: certainly defense, trade ties because especially with the new prime minister india is looking to develop, to upgrade its defense equipment and the u.s. has shown an interest in being part of that india's growth, so india of course expected to surplus china in terms of economic growth by 2016 2017 according to the imf and the world bank. so trade is certainly top but symbolism in terms of the military parade the republic day parade, that's still the highlight of this trip, poppy. >> thank you for the report. we appreciate it. busy time ahead with the president visiting. appreciate it. coming up the movie "american sniper" is breaking box office records, talking over $100 million in the first weekend. it is based on the life of navy s.e.a.l. chris kyle and the book he wrote. but some question whether the book is in fact fully factual or if there is some fiction to it. we'll dig into kyle's story next. also take a look at this. it is not nice outside where i'm broadcasting live from. we're talking about snow up and down the east coast from new york to boston all the way up through maine. we'll have a live report. here at quicken loans, we take special pride in servicing clients that serve our country... my name is marjorie reyes, i'm a chief warrant officer. i am very grateful and appreciative that quicken loans can offer service members va loans. it was very important for me to be able to close and refinance my home quickly. i wanted to lower my mortgage payment. quicken loans guided me through every step of the process. the whole experience was amazing! serving those who serve us all... one more way quicken loans is engineered to amaze. 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"american sniper" earned a record $105 million in its premiere weekend alone. the film though also drawing criticism as you just heard. let's bring in two people who understand the job snipers do better than most. jeremiah workman was awarded the navy cross, the nation's second highest award for valor after leading his squad through a battle in iraq. he is the author of "shadow of the sword: a marine's journey, a war of heroism and redemption." an with us again former cia operative bob baer. thank you both for your service. jeremiah you knew chris kyle and know there are questions about what he may have done and didn't do. do you have any doubts? >> there's no doubt in my mind. you know i can't get into what happened on the side of the road in texas or on top of the superdome. i don't know. but what i do know is what the man did in combat and providing tremendous support to the marines in fallujah and ramadi and al anbar in general. and the man is a stud of the military. i mean he wrote to a lot of people and i think there's people just trying to bring discredit to the story because of the success. >> yeah. that's an interesting point. bob baer to you, not only are you a cia -- former cia operative, your wife was a shooter for the cia. so you have this perspective of someone who know what is it's like to be a sniper. what's your take? >> well she spent a couple years just in training with weapons. her job, for instance, was to sit in a restaurant overseas and she had what's called a quick-draw purse and she'd do backups for meetings. and, you know, once something goes very bad and you have to pull out a wep on in a crowded place, mistakes will be made there will be second judgments and, you know, i think it's called target acquisition is very very difficult. and, you know, in times of war, people will call into doubt accounts. but, i mean i think what the point is with chris kyle and the s.e.a.l. snipers is they kept our embassy from being mortared from the shia area of sadr city. they put snipers up there and anybody that moved in sadr city with a weapon they shot them and that's why there are a lot of americans that made it through this. >> jeremiah i want you to talk about this tweet. you may have seen this tweet from michael moore, the filmmaker, that defended a lot of veterans saying he was taught that sniper are cowards. my uncle killed by a snimer in world war ii. we were taught snipers were cowards, will shoot you in the back. snipers aren't heroes and invaders are worse. what's your reaction to that? >> michael moore who? that's my reaction is michael moore really brings nothing to the table. he's brought nothing to our -- to the conversation. i mean he -- you know, we fought over in iraq and afghanistan so that people could have an opinion about the war, but to say something like this about a man that has been killed or to say something about any of our service members that have paid the ultimate sacrifice is down right disgraceful. and i can assure you that if you said something like this-in front of me i would give you ptsd. it's down right disgraceful. >> yeah. i agree. you know michael moore, he never heard a shot fired in anger and, you know, when you got the military on the front line especially on a war like iraq where thins are really messy and it's never clear cut, you know the outsiders, they really have to know a situation and there's always been snipers in warfare forever and, you know with these bows and arrows at one time. it's just sort of a stupid remark. >> before we go quickly, jeremiah to you, as someone who fought in this war, this is the first big-time movie that's pulled in so much about the iraq war. it seems to be the first one that has really resonated on a broad scale with people focusing on the iraq war. why do you think that is? >> i think people are just -- when you're talking about navy s.e.a.l.s or special operators and throw in the word sniper i think that's just the recipe. people are intrigued and want to know about it. but for those of us, the marines that were there, we know that these snipers where the marines are special operators, they had our back did a wonderful job, and a lot of us are here today because of the jobs that they did and we thank them for what they did for us. >> we thank you for your service, jeremiah and bob. thank you both. appreciate it. some of the top contenders for the 2016 republican presidential nomination met in iowa. today that key state, looking at donald trump there, perhaps more interesting than who showed sup who didn't show. ♪ turn around ♪ ♪ every now and then i get a little bit hungry ♪ ♪ and there's nothing good around ♪ ♪ turn around, barry ♪ ♪ i finally found the right snack ♪ [ female announcer ] fiber one. meet the world's newest energy superpower. surprised? in fact, america is now the world's number one natural gas producer... and we could soon become number one in oil. because hydraulic fracturing technology is safely recovering lots more oil and natural gas. supporting millions of new jobs. billions in tax revenue... and a new century of american energy security. the new energy superpower? 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>> they are doing the dance that we start to see every four year where is they say they are interested in running for president. that's more to telegraph they're interested in letting people know they're interested so people write stories about them and they get booked on tv. look donald trump isn't going to run for president, if he did, he wouldn't win. sarah palin, while she had a window in 2012 i think that ship has sailed. both of them gave speeches here. donald trump was very punchy. he actually criticized mitt romney who's thinking about running for president again, saying he choked in 2012 criticized jeb bush saying we don't need another bush. they definitely got a lot of tension and threw a lot of red meat to the crowd. when you talk about candidates who are more serious about the race you have to talk about scott walker. he is a perceived mott ra from new jersey known as a bully. he actually connected with the crowd, told personal stories and jokes and left with a standing ovation. >> peter you'll be there a lot over the next year or so. >> reporter: that's right. >> thank you. coming up after a quick break, guantanamo bay, a mysterious death of a civilian worker leads to the shocking revelation, the sordid love affair between the gitmo commander and the dead man's wife. ♪ nice! gr-reat! a shot like that... calls for a post-game celebration. share what you love with who you love. kellogg's frosted flakes. they're gr-r-reat! zlrchl they covered the alleged affair between his wife and neddleton. >> it is now in the interview of authorities. >> it is a crime under military law, officials have not sid that middleton is not connected to his death. they said initial indications are that terr's death was a suicide but there has been no final determination. >> a navel officer had an affair that was totally inappropriate. >> but the alleged love triangle has nothing to do with the guantanamo prison. >> inside the prison itself he has nothing to do with that. that is run by an intelligence agencies and everyone is well cared for. >> he has not been named a suspect in terr's death, and that it is important once again to note that the u.s. base in guantanamo is made up of an airfield recreational facilities, a chapel school and a golf course as well as the prison. he was described as the mayor of the base providing all of those services to those entities but not involved in anything concerning guantanamo's prisoners. >> susan, thank you for that report. now with me to talk about this story is former army jag officer jackie robins. this is a military investigation of top brass. give me a sense when you're dealing with someone who is like the mayor of this entire base. how does that change if at all, the investigation? >> well everybody's capitals are up when you have someone of that type of rank a general officer, he is in charge to his rank. it is two-fold now. you have a criminal investigation going on and you will have like a separate investigation going on. it is kind of what on in the birgdal case. when you have someone of that rank and stature, every is dotting their i's and crossing their ts. >> it is one thing to arrest him and to look at his affairs and if they were appropriate or not. can he be punished for having an affair with someone else on base and what kind of punishment can that hold? >> absolutely adultery is a court marshalable offense. more likely than not and what typically happens is an investigation is done. he will have a letter of reprimand. they're looking at is it service discrediting and adultery is viewed that it is. so in the military community, unlike the financial community, they would not care if titans of industry did this not in the same way. maybe a hedge fund manager, but in the military community, this is taken extremely seriously because it goes to their judgment whether they can lead and whether they have faith and confidence in him. this is taken very seriously in ways that maybe the civilian community maybe doesn't resonate. >> to hear that it is a punishable offense. thank you for joining us. >> thank you. a very sad loss from the world of sports to tell you about tonight. the great ernie banks will be remembered for a lot of things. as we report, there was so much more to this legendary baseball player. >> just over a year ago in the iconic wrigley field, ernie banks described what this place means to him. >> standing there it is a real thrill it's like my home my bible, my life. >> baseball was his everything and what a career. he was the first african-american to wear a cubs uniform. he was a trail plaz blazer. this shortstop and first baseman piled up 2583 hits. two back to back national league most valuable player awards. he racked up 512 home runs five seasons, hitting more than 40 homers. in 1977 he was inducted into the baseball hall of fame. he later saw a statue go up of his likeness outside of wrigley field. and then there was this. >> these are the recipients of the 2013 medal of freedom. >> seats among the ranges of bill clinton and oprah winfrey, this award from a white sox fan and the president of the united states would be one of his greatest honors. ernie banks died on friday at the age of 83. people who remember him know him as the guy with that smile who was always so optimistic ever so approachable, and exceptional at what he did. >> he was such a nice guy. i had the opportunity to meet him a couple times, and just always had a big smile on his face. >> it is mr. cub, you know he had such a title like that, and then to lose him is a huge loss for the organization and the city as a whole. >> he was so open and so generous with his whole life and so positive. and that is a rare quality in humans these days. someone who in the face of all of this that goes on in the world, that he could just maintain that genuine smile. >> love you, ernie. >> i had the good fortune of meeting him several times here in chicago and you could not have been in the presence of a better guy. just hearing his laugh would make your day. one game was never enough. let's not forget that famous phrase he coined sunshine fresh air, and the teams behind us. let's play two. >> i turn into a kid when i walk in here. this ball park is new to me now. >> to the best cub to ever play the game ernie banks will always be a special part of chicago and his presence all felt here in wrigley field. >> george thanks for that very moving remembrance of ooerpernie. stay with cnn and cnn.com for more coming up. the new season of "inside man" with morgan spurlock kicks off with robots and artificial intelligence. revolution nicing our work our homes, and everything in between. today technology is advancing to rapidly that we might finely be on the cusp of robotices and artificial intelligence that we dreamed about for so long. the question is are we ready for them? 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the republican primary in puerto rico at any moment. we're also monitoring the democratic caucus in maine. victor blackwell is live for us today in flint, michigan, as we lay out is a huge night for the democrats. >> reporter: 8:00 p.m. eastern bernie sanders and hillary clinton face off at the democratic debate right here on cnn. a new poll out today shows that clinton has a wide lead here in michigan over bernie sanders. and this comes, of course, as the water crisis in flint is expected to take center stage. joe johns joins me now. first to michigan, are we expecting this will be a game changer in this race. we look after super saturday, the momentum win goes to sanders, but the mathematical win goes to clinton. what could michigan's role be as we move through the primaries? >> for bernie sanders michigan could hold a big role partly because she needs some type of a bara breakout moment as we go through the primaries. he might not get it. the battle here in michigan in large part is over a couple different groups of voters, certainly among african-americans in detroit, and it's also over those angry, white, democratic voters who live in places like warren, michigan, where bernie sanders was yesterday, who are upset about the economy, for example, upset about the auto trade deal that happened in 2008, the bailout, i should say. they're upset about that. and they're upset because they have two tiers of wages, you know, certain people get one tier of wages, certain people get another tier of wages. they don't like that. they're angry. they want somebody to do something about that. those angry white voters, sometimes called the reagan democrats, seem to be going for donald trump right now. hillary clinton continues to push on the african-american community and i think some of their ad buys reflect that, victor. >> reporter: let's talk about why we're here in flint. i could see the final prep is on the stage behind you. and that of course is the water crisis. people in this community, really around the country who will be watching, they want to hear solutions, not just sympathy and empathy for the people here. are we expecting specifics from these two candidates? >> i think we are expecting specifics. we've already heard a little bit. hillary clinton has send a couple of her sataffers out to help flint. she's called on the government for federal assistance. she's also asked for fema to essentially expedite review of the situation here. bernie sanders, on the other hand has called on the governor of michigan to resign. of course, that hasn't happened. so this is the place where this issue of the flint water crisis sort of comes to a head. and i think the people here are going to expect to hear a lot more from these candidates on what they should do and what could be done in the short-term and the long-term, victor. >> joe johns there at the site of the democratic primary debate. joe, thank you so much. we'll get back to you later throughout the show. let's go back to poppy harlow now. of course all eyes are also on maine as we await the results of the democratic caucuses there tonight. >> absolutely, victor. thank you so much. super saturday yesterday certainly turns into a potential shakeup sunday in the republican presidential race, ted cruz stealing some of donald trump's thunder. in the process he inched a little bit closer in the delegate count to the front-runner. trump still leads in delegates 389 for trump, for ted cruz, he's narrowed that gap with 302. we have more contests today. two more on that side with more delegates on the line for both parties. we will listen in a moment, just moments from now as john kasich brings in some muscle from his campaign, literal muscle . we're talking about arnold schwarzenegger. the republicans and the democrats are voting in separate contests today. the republicans are competing for 23 delegates in puerto rico. the democrats going to the polls in maine. that's where we find polo sandoval. it was interesting, because you had cruz take maine on the republican side, even though the governor there had just backed donald trump. what are we expecting on the democratic side? >> reporter: truly it was a surprise yesterday. the question is are we in store for another surprise today? you go down the line and people are hesitant to tell you exactly that they'll be voting for many maine. the line is long. we planned on walking the entire line to show you how long it is. but that's virtually impossible. you see the line around that american flag and going into that tree line. it is impossible to show you how many people are here. this is something that organi r organizers did not expect pl as a result they're trying to take steps to add to the relief here. they're giving caucus goers the option to come in, cast their ballot instead of coming and staying here to caucus. the high school simply cannot fit the amount of people that we see right here in portland. caucusing already underway for about an hour. there are 25 delegates at stake. three of them have already committed to hillary clinton. we have seen plenty of bernie sanders support, a lot of hillary support as well. ultimately we will have to find out which way maine goes by the end of the day today. >> polo sandoval, thank you so much. it's great, democracy in action. seeing people coming out. it clearly continues on what looks to be a beautiful day there in maine. we will have much much more on the voting going on in maine. also on tonight's big cnn presidential debate. there you see that fast forward version of the big setup for the big night tonight. also, back to today's breaking news, very sad news. former first lady nancy reagan, the wife of ronald reagan has died. she passed away this morning at the age of 94. much more on that ahead. what makes this simple salad the best simple salad ever? heart healthy california walnuts. the best simple veggie dish ever? heart healthy california 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themselves again. and he did. >> there's no question about it. ronald reagan had an alcoholic father. he had to kind of pull himself up in his hard scrabble upbringing. she allowed ronald reagan to feel that his ambitions could be met. she backed all of his actions at any time. she organized dinner parties, traveled with him, did whatever it took. they were one of the great political couples, but also the great social couples of the los angeles area. >> i read they were an absolute team in the white house. there were many things that she did with her husband, for her husband side by side. perhaps she wasn't the leader in foreign policy. she was his protector and his partner in every way. >> absolutely. and this is the key thing, poppy. she decided who should be trusted and who couldn't. by nature, ronald reagan was gregarious. he liked everybody. it wasn't an act. he was extremely friendly. she started seeing people who were looking to ding or dent her husband. and she then would cut them off, just like cutting a wire off. she had a great judge of character. it's her belief in people like james baker and george schultz, two men that she loved that helps ronald reagan's foreign policy take the contours that it did in the climate with gorbachev coming into power. >> we are about 15 minutes from comments from james baker. look, you knew her, you spent time with her. you got the diaries from her husband from her. she trusted you with these. >> because we forget now that the hard right did not -- they loved the ronald reagan to have evil empire, but they did not like the ronald reagan that was willing to negotiate with gorbachev. so you have people like baker and schultz who thought this was a big historic opening, let's do it. nancy was to direct that she felt very strongly that this was the historic opening to make peace in our time. so she was the last say, if you'd like. i would have to put her as one of the extremely important advisor in the reagan white house. she didn't suffer fools lightly. and she was as you said a protector of her husband. her influence is very large. >> she wrote her own book in '89 after her husband's presidency called "my turn." she had a great impact on society during her time in the white house and out of the white house, especially when it came to the war on drugs, when it came to stem cell research, when she broke ways with president george w. bush on that, backing current president obama on that. she had a lot of influence even after her time in the white house. >> she did. but we have to realize that her big crusade was to beat alzheimer's. we forget she suffered a lot. when ronald reagan was shot in 1981, she had fallen like a day afterwards and broke her rib trying to bring a picture to put in her husband's hospital. she broke her ribs. never said a word about breaking them to the press, didn't want anybody to focus on her. even with her breast cancer, she was more worried about the health of her husband than herself. she was beyond loyal to ronald reagan. and as you mentioned, it's one of the great politial and american love stories. there's no question about it. >> take me into that moment, douglas, that day when you're sitting with her and she's handing over the diaries. i think you said to her, but i'm not necessarily a conservative. >> well, not just that. you know, i was told by governor pete wilson that if i got into a jam with this, talk about hollywood with her and just be direct and honest. she had felt burned by edmund morris who was the official biographer and came out with a book called "dutch." so she was very skeptical but she knew she needed to let these diaries go to a historian. sure enough, we ate a nancy reagan cobb salad. that was the name of it. she talked to me about not just her husband but about hollywood that that point. she loved to gossip about johnny depp and brad pitt and any movie that came out. that was her recreation really, the scoop on the streets of hollywood. she was a fun and delightful person. >> what is the one thing that has stood out to you most about their love and their life? >> that there would have been no ronald reagan without her, because for all of his qualities, he lacked the ability to not like people enough. and he didn't really have that radar to say this person is screwing me over. this is where the person is leaking. or you have to fire people sometimes. nancy reagan didn't have those problems. she was tough as nails. she made grown men quake. if she'd call on the phone, you just didn't want to have her ire aimed your way. she was tough. >> wow. thank you so much for helping us remember her today. nancy reagan there, like her husband, well known long before she came first lady. she had quite a career in hollywood. >> ronnie and nancy, it was truly an american love story. >> i can't imagine marriage being any other way but the way that ronnie's and mine was. and i guess that's unusual. >> little bit of a miracle too, right? >> yeah. >> something in the gods brought you together. >> mm-hm. fortunately. >> a relationship not based on politics or power, but simply admiration and affection. ♪ together we're going a long, long way ♪ >> born anne francis robbins in new york city. she grew up in chicago known by the nickname nancy. she headed west to hollywood to become an actress. >> she signed with mgm. she became part of that family. >> at first nancy davis was busy. but in 1949 she found her name on a list of suspected communist sympathizers, in danger of being ostracized by the business. she turned into a friend for help who set up a meeting with the president of the screen actor's guild, a dashing leading man named ronald reagan. and thus began one of hollywood's and washington's most enduring romances. in fact, one of her last screen appearances was playing opposite her future husband in a movie called "hellcats of the navy". soon after, they wed and raised a family including her husband patti and ron junior and her husband's two children from his previous marriage. nancy was always at his side and always gazing at him with that loving stare. >> it was for real. that wasn't an actress. the adoration that they had for each other. >> congratulations, sir. >> i don't remember thinking anything except that, my gosh, here he is and he's president. >> my ronnie. >> my ronnie. >> after her husband's presidential inauguration, nancy reagan's signature was appearing in designer go eer gowns, espec red ones. she also decorated the white house, both moves drawing heavy criticism. but she had her own special grit, especially after an as a sin assasin's bullet struck her husband. >> touch and go? >> yes, it was. i almost lost him. >> she also battled breast cancer and survived. through it all, she had many admirers and some critteicas to. >> he's chosen to attack my wife and i don't look kindly upon that. >> she also used her influence to launch an anti-drug program which was reduced to a simple phrase when a young girl asked for advice and nancy reagan said simply, just say no. >> i didn't mean that was the whole answer obviously, but it did serve a purpose. >> after she and her husband left washington, she needed her stamina more than ever after ronald reagan was diagnosed the alzheimer's. >> it's sad to see somebody you love and have been married for so long and you can't share memories. that's the sad part. >> through it all, she never lost her optimism. >> do you ever feel that fate treated you badly? >> no. when you balance it all out, i've had a pretty fabulous life. >> in 2004, president ronald reagan died. in one of her final public appearances, the celebration of the centennial of ronald reagan's birth, she said -- >> i know that ronnie would be thrilled and is thrill ed to hae all of you share in his 100th birthday. doesn't seem possible, but that's what it is. >> nancy reagan, a strong woman in her own right, remembered also for her steady, unflinching 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right here on cnn. now, there is a new nbc "wall street journal" marris poll out today that show hillary clinton with a wide lead over bernie sanders. we have a senior advisor for correct the record, a pro-hillary clinton super pac. great to have you. >> great to be here. welcome to flint. >> thank you very much. i've enjoyed my time here. let's start with the reason why we're here, the water crisis that's been going on. i've said to more than one guest and i want to get your take on it. people here want solutions, they want answers. what hillary clinton is going to have to do tonight is balance the empathy, but also with solutions. >> absolutely. >> what do you expect to hear from her? >> i think she's going to say replacce the types. i she's going to tell the senator from utah back off. if there was an entire city in his state where people were pois poisoned, you would expect the country would rally. he needs to release that, the state needs to kick in, the pipes need to come up and kids need to be treated. >> this is a man made state problem and state funds should fix it. >> state funds are starting to do fix it but the state funds are not going to be enough. this is a huge infrastructure problem. and we need help from the federal government as well. you know, you can have your theoretical arguments, but the reality is that the city has been poisons aed and if a city somewhere else were poisoned, i would expect the citizens of the country to say we are all in this together and we need to help flint. >> as you learn more about what the state knew, what the federal government knew, what goes through your mind? >> it's just so -- i can't even -- honestly, i can't even express how hard this -- i mean, i'm not in the position anymore. so i feel somewhat helpless over it. it's so utterly heartbreaking, because this city is a city that's sort of the poster child for deindustrialization, all these jobs left flint. it is a city that is the second poorest of its size in the country. it's a city where, if anything, we should be rallying to help. this infrastructure issue, flint is symbolic of other cities across the country where we need to invest in our infrastructure. if you study the hierarchy of human needs, they need clean air, water and food. it's so basic. >> for people who are seeing the former governor here, they wonder what responsibility do you bear as people learn more about what the government knew. >> when i was government they got safe water. this decision to switch from the detroit water system to the flint river was made under the current administration in order to save money. they changed the law and the law said that he could -- the governor could put in an emergency manager which would supercede the governor and the city council in order to save money. the problem is when you talk like you want to run government like a business, that means you are totally bottom line focused. but the bottom line when you are in government is serving citizens. this is not something you could look at like a cpa. this is human beings. this happened three years after i left, but the decision to switch over to the flint river was a decision made purely upon cost. and that is what's wrong, because the flint river was not a river that you could consume. it needed treatment. it needed to have corrosion control in it so the pipes would not leech led. all of these pipes are damaged and have to be replaced. >> let's turn to another issue that's resonating tonight. senator sanders is hitting secretary clinton on trade deals. nafta. i want you to listen to a line we're hearing a lot in his stump speeches. let's watch and listen. >> secretary clinton has supported almost every one of these disastrous trade agreements, nafta, which have cost us millions of decent paying jobs. companies shut down and moved to china. i have opposed al l of them. we have to stand up for the middle class. >> the argument obviously there is that a lot of the agreements that secretary clinton supported led to the losses of jobs here. >> she takes this on a case-by-case basis. she knows we have to learn the lessons of nafta. nafta did not live up to its promises to create jobs in america. she will take a look at these trade agreements looking at what will create jobs in america. it's why she voted against the central american free trade agreement. she would say we are as a nation 5% of the world's population. we have to do business with the other 95%. we want our businesses here to be able to make products and send them over there. in order to do that you have you have to have a trade agreement. but you've got to make sure it's creating jobs in the u.s. and not facilitating the offshoring of jobs. those are the principals she will be using to evaluate any future trade agreements. >> thank you so much. here back in michigan, we of course want to count down the hours. five and a half hours now until the big presidential democratic primary 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isn't she the one who eventually pushed her husband to apologize? >> well, she did. iran contra, of course, some people have said was the only stain on an otherwise successful extraordinary two-term presidency. when it broke, she was dismayed and very disappointed. and i'm convinced she is one of those at least who convinced him to say this was a mistake. i didn't know at the time we were doing it, but we were doing it and it was a mistake and it shouldn't have been done. she got him to do that. >> the one word that comes to your mind as you remember your friend nancy reagan, what is is that word? >> she was a remarkable woman and she was dedicated and committed and she was head over heels in love with her man. one thing that i continually think about is that she was his closest advisor and really his protector. you know, ronald reagan asked me to be his white house chief of staff after i had run two campaigns against him. >> right. >> that's a pretty broad gauged approach to things and i'm not sure it will ever happen again in american politics. but the driving force behind that decision i think, or at least one of the driving forces was nancy reagan. she was the one that i really think moved the president toward making that decision. she was extraordinarily protective of him and she was very, very, of course, committed to him. and she had a very good political antenna for judging people that he might put on his staff or work for him that would have their own canoe to paddle. she could tell when someone was going to be loyal to the president's agenda and someone who was going to seek to perpetuate their own agenda. >> a great judge of character. that is what we had heard. secretary baker, thank you so much for helping us to remember her today. >> you're sure welcome. thank you. >> we'll be right back. ♪ everything kids touch during cold and flu season sticks with them. make sure the germs they bring home don't stick around. use clorox disinfecting products. because no one kills germs better than clorox. when you're on hold, your business is on hold. that's why comcast business doesn't leave you there. when you call, a small business expert will answer you in about 30 seconds. no annoying hold music. just a real person, real fast. whenever you need them. great, that's what i said. so your business can get back to business. sounds like my ride's ready. don't get stuck on hold. reach an expert fast. comcast business. built for business. welcome back. we are just hours away from the cnn democratic debate here in flint, michigan. the people of flint were, i should say, unwillingly thrust into the national spotlight after it was discovered that residents here were drinking toxic tap water. cnn has partnered with the flint journal just days before all the residents of michigan head to the polls on fridays. joining me now is the editor of the flint journal. i've been here for a few days. you've been working at the judge for more than a decade. you know the people of flint. what do they expect to hear today? i mean, realistically they know all of this can't be fixed immediately. >> i think people want to hear that flint is going to continue to be forgotten. our problems here have been 30 years in the making. there's a feeling here with our economic situation that america has just forgotten us and that ultimately led to our people being poisoned. they want to hear a plan for what are you going to do for these rust belt cities like flint who have been left behind? >> that's what i've heard from people on the street. this is not just flint, it's pontiac and many cities across michigan and the country that have slipped into this state of del de del delapidation. >> there's gridlock right now in getting money to flint on the federal level, on the state level, arguments back and forth. and you really need somebody to step to the forefront and say let's get this done. i mean, we're in america, but we're being treated like a third world country where people can't trust their water. >> what brings flint and cities like flint back? >> the economy. ultimately, we have got to figure out a way to reinvent these cities to get money back into these cities, to get industry back into these cities, to reinvent them. we can't just leave them to their own di vic devices and sae it out. we need a plan to bring these cities back to life. >> many of these problems not just here in flint but across the country have been going on for many years, through many administrations. thank you so much. >> thank you. so last night's votes maybe changed the game for republican candidates. we're talking now about super saturday. we'll ask our political panel what it means for ted cruz and marco rubio in particular. first, philadelphia. let's talk about that great city. has a new draw for tourists and business travelers and italian food lovers. it's a pizza museum. take a look. >> pizza it's popular and lovely as a mona lisa. now pizza lovers can revel in its beauty in proper fashion at the world's first pizza museum. welcome to philly's own pizza brain. >> we have buttons and videos and lots of toys. >> it's the guinness world record holder for the lorgeest collecti -- largest collection of pizza related memorabilia. >> we celebrate the culture of pizza and how pizza has become important to us. >> and if you get hungry, it's also the renowned pizzaria. since opening in 2012, pizza brain has quickly become a destination. >> we get tourists who come from all over the world. they really are just bringing their love for the food and realizing that somebody else in the world is as crazy about pizza as they are. vo: across america, people are taking charge of their type 2 diabetes with non-insulin victoza®. for a while, i took a pill to lower my blood sugar. but it didn't get me to my goal. so i asked my doctor about victoza®. he said victoza® works differently than pills. and comes in a pen. victoza® is proven to lower blood sugar and a1c. it's taken once a day, any time. victoza® is not for weight loss, but it may help you lose some weight. victoza® works with your body to lower blood sugar in 3 ways: in the stomach, the liver, and the pancreas. vo: victoza® is an injectable prescription medicine that may improve blood sugar in adults with type 2 diabetes when used with diet and exercise. it is not recommended as the first medication to treat diabetes and should not be used in people with type 1 diabetes or diabetic ketoacidosis. victoza® has not been studied with mealtime insulin. victoza® is not insulin. do not take victoza® if you have a personal or family history of medullary thyroid cancer, multiple endocrine neoplasia syndrome type 2, or if you are allergic to victoza® or any of its ingredients. symptoms of a serious allergic reaction may include itching, rash, or difficulty breathing. tell your doctor if you get a lump or swelling in your neck. serious side effects may happen in people who take victoza®, including inflammation of the pancreas (pancreatitis). stop taking victoza® and call your doctor right away if you have signs of pancreatitis such as severe pain that will not go away in your abdomen or from your abdomen to your back, with or without vomiting. tell your doctor about all the medicines you take and if you have any medical conditions. taking victoza® with a sulfonylurea or insulin may cause low blood sugar. the most common side effects are headache, nausea, diarrhea, and vomiting. side effects can lead to dehydration, which may cause kidney problems. if your pill isn't giving you the control you need ask your doctor about non-insulin victoza®. it's covered by most health plans. . as we remember the life and legacy of former first lady nancy reagan, i want to take you live to simi valley, california, to the reagan presidential library. paul, we all know it as a site of one of the first debates this year. the cnn debate was there. and obviously that is the place where she will be laid to rest. >> reporter: that is exactly right. behind me at the building is president reagan's grave site. it's over looking the pacific. nancy will literally be laid to rest right next to him. there will be coming up in the next few days a closed casket ceremony. visitors can come up here and pay their respects to nancy reagan. you are the executive director of the library, of course. as we look behind you, the trucks are here already. you are making plans for a huge turnout. we know a quarter of a million people came up this hill to pay their respects to ronald reagan. what are the plans for nancy? >> very similar plans. she'll be bauried right next to the president it will be an opportunity for the public to walk by, to see her coffin. and then towards the very end of the week is when we'll have a funeral service and she'll be buried next to president reagan. >> reporter: no doubt many dignitaries will be here. can you tell me who you expect would be here? >> our board of trustees which include people like secretary george schultz. many famous people that worked for ronald reagan. my understanding is that at this point president bush 43 and laura plan to make it to the library. because this has happened so quickly, we don't know exactly who'll be coming. >> reporter: as we see these flat bed trucks in pull in behind us, what role will they play? >> these trucks have been coming all day and they'll be doing everything from erecting tents to bleachers to seats and floors and lights and sound all that you can imagine involved in a large funeral like this. >> reporter: thank you so much for taking time out. we really appreciate it. well, as you hear poppy now, a lot of plans underway. and they do expect many people to come up the hill here in simi valley and pay their respects to nancy reagan, who will be laid to rest here next to her husband. as you know, she was always well celebrated for her loyalty and being by his side, and in this case quite literally. >> the great love of her life, she will join him now once again. to politics now, of course it is a big weekend in politics. super saturday may have changed the landscape for the republican race. donald trump and ted cruz each took home two states yesterday. cruz supporters see yesterday as a bit of a momentum gain for their candidate. was it? and ultimately can he get the delegates he needs to clench the nomination. both cruz and trump are coming together in one way right now. both of them last night called for marco rubio to pull out of the race. let's talk about it. both conservatives, both not exactly on the same page on this issue. thank you both for being with me. i appreciate it. let's talk about trump. yes, he got two states, he got more delegates than ted cruz. however, he did not get a clean sweep. some of the pundits see that as a crack in the trump veneer. is it? >> i don't think so. it's no doubt cruise had a good night. maine is a state that trump should have done very well in. >> he got the endorsement of the governor. >> absolutely. it was a surprise to see cruz come out so strongly and the trump campaign needs to take a hard look at why that happened. we didn't have polling in maine up to the date. we had a november poll that we looked at. when you look forward to michigan and mississippi the nbc poll shows trump ahead by 19 points in michigan. 20 points nearly in mississippi. the big news for trump is he's dominating the southeast. this is an area where ted cruz should do exceedingly well. >> especially the evangelicals. both trump and cruz called for rubio to get out of the race. if you're marco rubio, you're sitting with your team last night. you didn't take one state. of 19 contests so far, you've taken one, minnesota. what do you do? >> of course, there's puerto rico as well. maybe there will be another one that marco rubio can add onto his list. we'll see. this is supposed to become a two-man race at this point. everybody in the gop wants to see this happen. otherwise you just have this constant chaos. i think the worst possible situation is that this goes into a brokered convention for the party and for anybody who doesn't want to see hillary clinton in the white house starting next year. that's the worst possible situation. that means this has to happen more quickly. you have to have that consolidation. marco rubio banking all on florida where there are some polls showing trump playing very well. that's a big roll of the dice for the rubio campaign. why would he based on what we have seen be the one that could unify the party and also beat trump? that's a tough case to make. do i think he's going to step out? no. i think we're hurtling towards the worst possible thing for the party, which is a brokered convention. >> stay with me. sorry to cut it short this hour. you're back with me next hour. much more to discuss then. for all of you who are political junkies, you're obviously going to want to watch cnn tonight not just for the debate, but following that a brand new original series called race for the white house. host kevin spacey tells al alabamaalabam -- >> while some things may have changed, you know the way in which a politician gets their message out, which in earlier times was very slow, that someone's speech or idea would get across to voters across the country and how that's changed, now it's instantaneous. but how in many ways politics hasn't changed. >> many ways politics has not changed. you will see his special tonight on cnn. watch "race for the white house" at 10:00 p.m. eastern only right here on cnn. we'll be right back. if you have moderate to severe plaque psoriasis... isn't it time to let the real you shine through? 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well, good morning to you on a saturday morning, i hope it's been good to you so far. i'm christi paul. >> i'm victor blackwell. this morning, vice president mike pence is hitting the road to pitch the republicans plan to overall the affordable care act, actually to repeal and replace it. this is a crucial sales job, the opposition within the party is threatening to potentially derail one of the president's biggest campaign promises. >> it's two hours from now the vice president will speak to leaders in louisville, kentucky, he'll appeal with the governor mike bevan. this is a man not completely behind the plan himself. >> we just act now to save the americans from the imploding obamacare disaster. premiums have sky rocketed by double digits, triple digits in some cases. '17 would be a disaster for obamacare. that's the year it was meant to explode because obama won't be here. plus, considerable anger after dozens of u.s. attorneys abruptly are told to resign by the trump administration. we've got our panel of political reporters standing by to break it all down for you this morning. we'll start with cnn's ryan nobles in washington, the sudden firing of 46 u.s. attorneys. past administrations have asked holdovers to step down, larger numbers even, why is this different? >> well, viblg shg, victor, thee trump administration and the newly installed attorney general jeff sessions is not out of the question but it's the way the attorneys were asked to step down is what got the justice department angry. this all went down friday when 46 of these top prosecutors were asked to step down, some finding out from the media that their service was no longer needed. presidents have the right to appointment their own u.s. attorneys, but normally, the transition offices are held differently giving time to these high-powered positions take care of responsibilities. senator diane finetine a ranking democrat on the judiciary committee said she was surprised and concerned about the news of the firing. in a statement she said, quote in january i met with vice president pence and white house council donald mcgahn and asked specifically if all u.s. attorneys would be fired at once. mr. mcgahn told me that the transition would be done in an orderly fashion to preserve country not, clearly this is not the case. this is set for several high-profile attorneys including preet bharara from the southern district of new york. bharara has successfully convicted several on charges. now, bharara's removal will be surprising because back in november, he met with then president-elect donald trump and told reporters that trump had asked him to stay on. a spokesperson from the u.s. justice department waved off concerns that removal of these u.s. attorneys will cause a problem saying quote, until the new attorneys are confirmed the dedicated career officers in our offices will continue the work. >> let's talk with tom lobianco and eugene stat. it's not that this is unusual, bill clinton let go almost what president trump has done so far. but it's the execution and immediacy of this. do you get the feeling that this is a misstep? >> well, it's hard to tell whether this is another misstep by the administration but it does go to show when you're unprepared for these things, as everyone has pointed here. look, this is what happens. but how it happened is the issue. that's where people are caught off guard. kind of like rolling out the travel ban for the first time. maybe there was some stuff in there that was going to stay. my god, this just shook the rafters the way they handled. so, you know, delivery matters, perception matters, especially when you're near the white house. >> well, and timing matters. and it's a bit curious, this coming 24 hours after fox news personality sean hannity said this. let's listen. >> for weeks we've been warning you about the deep state obama heldover democrats are who are hell-bent on destroying this president, president trump. tonight, it's time for the trump administration do begin to purge he's sababout i sabha -- sabota it's too late. >> what do you make of that? >> we know he's a longtime viewer and fan of sean hannity and the feeling is mutual. i think what's most interesting the whole idea of a deep state, this intentional move from the obama administration careovers to subvert the president currently in his agenda. that's been a fear of president donald trump and this looks like this could be the latest move to response to that, to some people. >> and another thing that's a little interesting here the fact that the president personally called two u.s. attorneys and asked them to stay on. tom, do you have any more information about how long they're staying on? or why these two in particular? >> well, he reached out to dana boente and rob rosenstein for pretty obvious reasons here. because he's nominated rosenstein to be second in command at the justice department and boente is fulfilling that role right now. it's kind of interesting that he hasn't done it for the other ones. when you look at preet bharara. trump talks about draining the swamp and anti-corruption on wall street, i mean, it looks like there no one else that you would want there. he appears to be the perfect match for that. he's spent a career taking on democrats, wall street. it's pretty shocking that he's not keeping bharara here. >> eugene, is there not a legal risk here? i mean, there have to be pending cases sitting on the desks of these ags right now. what happens? are there questions now do they go in limbo? who takes over? >> as of now, it looks like the deputies who will be there fulfilling the roles that they were before the trump administration came in, to carry on the investigations, to oversee them until replacement is set. or named. or replacement attorneys are named. there is a huge risk. particularly because some attorneys were asked to clear their desk yesterday and without warning. and the reason why that is of significant concern is that perhaps it's not giving them significant time to communicate with their staffs. the latest information on the ongoing investigations and what needs to be done moving forward. so, how these will end is not clear yet. >> tom lobianco, eugene fan, thank you for that. we know now more about michael flynn. there turns out he was paid to represent the administration. despite claims to the contrary. here's cnn's jessica schneider. >> reporter: the white house saying president trump had no idea when he chose his first national security adviser that lieutenant general michael flynn had been a paid lobbyist for turkish concerns at the height of the campaign and through election day. but a source tells cnn white house council was well aware, both before the inauguration and after general flynn was named national security adviser that his company was planning to file a foreign agent disclosure form. >> he didn't file until two days ago. nobody would have known that because he hadn't filed until two days ago. >> reporter: flynn's counsel and said. why wane the president made aware of that recommendation? >> there are tons of individuals that consult with the lawyers and with ethics experts and say, i own this stock, or i have to sell it. i own a business, i own this house. and for the most part, they're given guidance as to, hey, go seek professional help. >> reporter: vice president pence telling fox news he had no knowledge of flynn's involvement with turkey until a story was published this week. >> well, let me say hearing that story today was the first i heard of it. and sigh fully support the decision that president trump made to ask for general flynn's resignation? >> you're disappointed by the story? >> the first i heard of it, and i think it is an affirmation of the president's decision. to ask general flynn to resign. >> reporter: but last november congressman elijah cummings sent this letter to then vice presidential candidate mike pence raising conflict of interest concerns pointing out that michael flynn wrote this op said titled our ally turkey is in crisis and needs our support. >> please welcome to the stage, general mike flynn. >> reporter: a staple on the campaign trail. at the same time hosting groups from turkey including the minister of foreign affairs and minister of energy. flynn's term in the white house was a short one. he resigned after the discussions about with the russian ambassador. >> general flynn is a wonderful man. i think he's been treated very, very unfairly by the media. as i call it the fake media, in many cases. and i think it's really a sad thing that he was treated so badly. >> reporter: jessica schneider, cnn, washington. we've got some breaking news out of germany. german police are responding to a possible terror plot in the western see of essen. >> we understand they have shut down a shopping mall after learning of an attorney possibly planned for today. we're keeping a close eye on the situation there. we'll bring it to you as it continues to develop there had. president trump promises to repeal and replace obamacare but he's facing opposition from leading health care groups. why they say this new plan could put lives in risk. and living in fear of president trump's next tweets. plus, syrian president bashar al assad calling troops in syria invaded after twin bombings from the city of damascus left dead and wounded. we'll have a live report, just ahead. one. nope. it's been masterpassed. winning the little victories, priceless masterpass, the secure way to pay from your bank don't just buy it, masterpass it. how to brush his teeth. 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is there any reason to believe there was an illegal tap? it would have been one phone call, one minute at the most. >> let's continue this conversation with kimberly dozier, cnn global affairs analyst and senior correspondent for the daily beast. kimberly good morning. >> good morning, victor. >> you spoke with other national security experts who say they live in fear. here's a portion of what you wrote. in a community that once shunned social media, spoofs, spies and special operators are now signing up for twitter accounts and setting up real donald trump and potus alerts so they can find out the inner thinking of their chief and protect fallout. >> what they're learning these could have implications of creating diplomat incidence which shhave, to maybe triggering an all-out shooting war. now, that is extreme. you have to understand, these people largely conservative, many of them republicans, but they plan for crises. and they want to know that their commander in chief is focused on the job and isn't being pulled off center by his own emotions. so, the people that i spoke to who work for some of the top people the cabinet, well, they live in fear of the weekend, going, okay, what is it going to be this time that we're going to have to be dealing with throughout the weekend and monday morning. >> yeah, we'll remember it was just a week ago, almost to the hour, when president trump tweeted that claim that president obama wiretapped trump tower. let me go to the other side of this conversation, while there are some signing up for the accounts setting up alerts, for others, this is beginning to fall on deaf ears. explain that. >> well, the fact of the matter is, several times we've had these tweet storms, monday, tuesday, it gets walked back. now, last weekend was an exception. it took roughly 24 hours for us to get a comment from white house spokesman sean spicer backing up the president's claim that the last president may have wiretapped trump tower. and they want to look into it. but in other cases you've seen the anger expressed by trump via twitter been walked back. and, for instance, with mexico, you had that mexico president feud with trump. and then that evolved into a conversation. so, i've spoken to some people who are part of the trump transition and trump administration supporters and they're saying, you know, it's becoming such background noise that may be more hope than reality for the rest of the world. >> we know that the president is not going to give up his twitter accounts. he enjoys having what he calls that direct access to the american people. so be it. but is there any degree of confidence or any indicators here that someone in the national security community can explain to the president the gravity of these tweets in that sphere, in that arena? >> well, from the people i've spoken to, they're basically hoping that the media reaction to his tweets will eventually be the thing that causes him to rein himself in. notice so far this morning, we don't have any early morning tweets from the president. but we do have a few from kellyanne conway talking about the jobs report. perhaps she's making sure preemptively that the first thing her boss sees this morning is good news that she is sharing about his administration. maybe that will head off the angrier versions of his tweets. >> saturday morning is when he typically makes news via twitter. and it's still early. thanks so much. the vice president hits the road to pitch the gop's new health care plan. another medical group is coming out against it, though. the group's president joins us to explain why he thinks the plan is so dangerous. also, a look into the private life of melania trump, how she's making her own role as a modern first lady. >> melania trump to my imagination is emerging as a mona lisa of the first lady. announcer: get on your feet for the nastiest bull in the state of texas. ♪ ♪ the more mysterious they sound, the more... powerful you'll think they are. it's time to see what power really looks like. new neutrogena® rapid wrinkle repair with accelerated retinol sa. clinically proven to reduce wrinkles in just one week. wrinkles? 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>> well, he talked about input from doctors. this doctor on behalf of the american medical association has concerns on behalf of patients that they're going to lose insurance and there be live sicker and die younger. >> it calls for groups and groups like yours to share your ideas and thoughts to and make sure there's input on the bill. has the white house, have congressional republicans reached out to the ama, have you reaped out beyond this letter to be part of the process to put this bill together? >> the ama has been very active in interacting with congressional leadership for quite some time in preparation or leading up to this bill. i don't know if we've had any interactions with the white house. but we certainly have spoken with congressional leadership and will continue to do so. we stand ready to engage and try to make this work for our patients. >> dr. andrew gumman president of the american medical association. thank you for being with us. >> thank you for having me on. i appreciate it. >> the vice president is headed to kentucky today and his trip is meant to sell the new gop plan to the public. but the white house is has yet to members of its own party on board. and the governor of kentucky appearing with the vice president today says that he's not really a fan of the current plan. >> senator paul has ideas of things. he thinks it needs to be a lot stronger. he's not as impressed with what has been currently offered. truth be told, i'm not either. so, i'm with him. i think there are things that need to be done. >> now, he later leased a statement saying he had an encouraging conversation with the white house about the bill. it would be great to hear what that encouragement was from the white house. question, how can the trump administration unite the party and deliver on its promise to repeal and replace obamacare. here to discuss is cnn political commentato commentator paris. good morning. >> good morning. >> some believe the president is moving up the date to get into ending the medicaid expansion here which republicans who put this bill together say it's crucial to keeping this bill, or getting it passed. is the president making it harder to pass the replacement and the repeal process? >> no, i don't. i think this is one of the key things that we have to remember about this president in particular. donald trump, as a candidate, always talked about the fact that he was a great negotiator. that he was someone who could bring people together at the table and come up with the best deal. remember, he always talked about i'm going to get the best deal for the american people. so, i've always said he might make a lot of republicans upset. he might make a lot of democrats upset because at the end of the day, he's not an ideologue, he's someone who wants the best deal for the people. that's why he's a president that's open to both sides. that's why you have an administration who is not afraid to go to kentucky where you have a sitting senator, a junior senator, speaking against the plan, and the governor who seems to be not 100% on board with it. but that's part of the process. and it's a great opportunity for the republican party. republicans and congress to work with this white house to break with the plan that's going to be -- it's going to be beneficial to the american people. and a better plan. i think at the end of the day, that's what republicans want. and that's what this trump administration wants. the president wants a better plan for the american people. >> now, you say that this may upset some of the republicans in offering potentially moving up that day to end the expansion. but more than upset republicans, this could -- this could kill the bill, the first phase of this three-leg stool that we heard from paul ryan. is the president going to have the freedom to negotiate? are republicans on the hill willing to allow this president to negotiate, if, as you say, that is his strongest asset here? >> yeah, you know, this is a make or break moment for the republican party. we have long talked about repeal and replace. i advocated for review. but the line is repeal and replace. and if we do this, we have to replace it with something. we can't leave people out there in the cold. and so, this is an opportunity for the republican party and the trump administration to come together and say, listen, we're going to first listen to the american people and get this right. and in doing so, you have to compromise. look, democrats, when they passed obamacare, extreme liberals were upset because it didn't have everybody covered or pieces that they didn't like, and still don't like. and conservatives and republicans on the far right might be upset with the plan we have right now. but we have to compromise. agree to come together. you might not get every single thing that you want, but i think if we can get most of it and assure people, that is what the goal should be. the ideologues have to put that aside and decide what is best for the person people that's what donald trump wants to do. >> paris, why is the vice president going to make the case today instead of the president? in 2009 when barack obama was pushing the affordable care act, they didn't send joe biden out the door first. >> look, i think when you look at someone like vice president pence you have someone who has excellent relationships with the hill. he has been a sitting -- he was in the congress and a governor so it makes sense to put him in a position to talk to another governor. he was a former governor. it's a brilliant strategy to place someone's strengths. the president is behind the scenes doing negotiation, we saw him yesterday meeting with congressional leaders and chairs of committees. that is his strong suit. >> it seems that the argument that you just made that it makes sense for the president to be behind the scenes, but mike pence has the congressional relationships -- it would make more sense based on your description of the strengths for mike pence to be behind the scenes and this is billed as a pitch to the merth people for the president to be out in front of a rally of supporters there in kentucky because we know that's what he enjoys. >> well, this is more than just a rally. this is an opportunity for him to listen to the governor and listen to people at the company that they're going to be visiting. and getting it from the people that are there. as a former governor going to speak with a current gomp he understands the issues that go on as you govern. look, there are people like governor kasich and governor in arizona against the expansion and they're very conservative. so, this vice president understands the delicacy that goes on at a state level, that's why i believe he's going to attempt to do that. that's why when it comes to congressional relationships and really negotiating and bringing people to the table, that's what you saw from the president in the past few days. because that is what he's going to do to be an effective leader for the country to give us the best deal we can to having a more affordable health care plan. >> paris, thanks so much. >> you're welcome. >> wednesday night to dman bash and a live town hall with health and human secretary tom price. he'll answer questions, maybe questions you have about the new gop health care proposal, obamacare and what comes next. that's wednesday at 9:00 eastern right here on cnn. plus, syrian president bshdz al ass bashar al assad troops in syria invaders. twin bombings rocked the city of damascuses. hundreds dead and wounded. we'll get the live reports. dy w. whatever kind of weekender you are, there's a hilton for you. book your weekend break direct at hilton.com and join the weekenders. featuring ego's patented, 56 the #1 rated,volt,power+ mower. arc lithium battery technology, it delivers the cutting-torque of gas. the ego mower's durable construction makes mowing in difficult conditions easy. the self-propelled model makes it effortless. and it folds flat in seconds for easy storage. the ego power+ mower. exclusively at the home depot and ego authorized dealers. the search for relief often leads... here... here... or here. today, there's another option. drug-free aleve direct therapy. a tens device with high intensity power that uses technology once only available in doctors' offices. its wireless remote lets you control the intensity, and helps you get back to things like this... this... or this. and back to being yourself. aleve direct therapy. find yours in the pain relief aisle. mortgage rates edged up this week. here's a look. you could spend the next few days weeding through w2s, pay stubs and bank statements to refinance your home. or you could push that button. 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>> reporter: well, christi, this was an interview that bashar al assad, the syrian president, gave to the chinese media. and of course, we're focusing on his remarks that any foreign force that enters syria without government permission should be considered invaders. he said whether they're americans or turks. but the fact of the matter is there's very little he can do about it, given the limited control the syrian government has over its territory, what with now we're entering the seventh year of civil war here. but also during that interview, he said that he and president trump share common views on counterterrorism. and fake news. and he said that he didn't rule out the possibility that at some point, the united states and syria could cooperate in the fight against terrorism. now, when he talked about the u.s. as invaders in syria, he's referring to several hundred u.s. troops that are in the northern part of the country, supporting american-backed rebels, kurds and arabs who are fighting against isis. and, of course, that is something that the syrian government is also doing, as well as turkish-backed forces. so it's a bit of a mess on the ground in northern syria, with all of the forces involved. we do know that russian/american military officers met in syria recently for what was called a deconfliction meeting making sure that russian forces, american forces, turkish forces all operating in northern syria don't get into a shooting war. >> that's a difficult situation. ben wedeman, thank you for the update. we appreciate it. well, she's gone from model to first lady. melania trump is beginning to embrace her role in the white house. for some, she's redefining what it means to be a modern first lady. ready, go. ahhhhhhhh! shake! shake! shake! shake! shake! done! you gotta shake it! i shake it! glad i had a v8. the original way to fuel your day. the market.redict but through good times and bad... ...at t. rowe price... ...we've helped our investors stay confident for over 75 years. call us or your advisor. t. rowe price. invest with confidence. dale! oh, hey, rob. what's with the minivan? 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>> reporter: every first lady confronts this question. you know, we look at the comparison to jackie kennedy which i think is an apt comparison to make. someone who furiously guarded her privacy, her children's privacy. and often left washington. jackie kennedy did, though, move to the white house. she was often out of town and would take her children with her to middleburg, virginia, where she rode horses and did things that she liked. i think if melania trump -- what we know is that she'll move to washington probably this summer. once she does that and just -- at least makes the effort to move into the white house, then i think people will give her a lot of leeway to leave town,ing to to mar-a-lago where she is very happy. that's -- that's really where she feels most at peace. so i think that it's -- it's really just the symbolism of moving into the white house that i think will also help boost her poll numbers among some skeptical democrats. >> you say, too, that she's redefining what being the first lady means. how so, or at least the role that she'll play? >> reporter: yeah. i think we were all thinking about because of looking at the poll numbers before the election, thinking of what a first gentleman, bill clinton, would do, how he would change the role. and in an equally fascinating way, i think melania trump has changed it by making us question whether or not a first lady needs a big staff. melania trump has three or four staffers right now that we know of versus michelle obama's 20 something staffers. 24, i believe it was. >> uh-huh. >> reporter: when i talk to people, they often wonder, do we need this symbolic position anymore. i think that we do. and i think it's important also from just a public perception around the world to have the first lady there to host visiting heads of states and their wives and husbands. but i think she's redefining it kind of in a completely different way than someone like a bill clinton would have made it a more active role. >> kate anderson braugher. thank you for your input. >> thank you. repeal and replace. it was the rallying cry felt donald trump's campaign promise to do away with obamacare. why is the president shying away from the branding? 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[ applause ] >> trump has made it known that he doesn't want the new health care bill called trumpcare for a very good reason, actually. the president is a humble man. he doesn't like to put his name on things. 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[ applause ] >> trump has made it known that he doesn't want the new health care bill called trumpcare for a very good reason actually. the president is a humble man. he doesn't like to put his name on things. [ laughter ] >> new research says that neanderthals used to relieve pain by chewing on a plant containing the main ingredient in aspirin. that's what neanderthals did, yes. of course, that's being called now the republican health care plan. >> the one thing trump is willing to put his name on is accusations that president obama illegally tapped his phones. trump demanded that congress investigate his charges which they're going to get to right after they find those three million illegal voters and what really happened to arnold schwarzenegger's ratings. [ laughter ] >> all right. is there anything they're joking about other than politics these days? haven't seen much of it. thank you very much for sticking with us here. we're getting into hour three here in a moment. >> stay with us. next hour starts right now. attorney general jeff sessions asking for the resignation of 46 obama-appointed u.s. attorneys. >> this is not the right way to do this, and it's destabilizing an already destabilized environment. >> the chances of someone tapping trump's phone at trump's center is zero. it's not possible. >> nobody knew that health care could be so complicated. >> we try to follow all the laws except, of course, coming to this country illegally. >> it doesn't matter -- you have still broken the law. >> don't believe those phony numbers when you hear 4.9 and 5% unemployment. >> may have been phony in the past, but it's very real now.

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