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Clintons? what about joe biden? >> about-ism is a very weak and a logical defense. and the particular things that he is saying, what about, have no relevance to his case. jack teixeira, the national guardsmen who has recently been indicted, and the lieutenant colonel from florida, those are cases that are much more like his and indicate that he should be, as they have been, punished for what they did. his, that is trumps crimes, are far worse than what the others did. motive is not an essential ...

Donald trump had hands were clean. and shortly after trump went on that national town hall and said i packed the boxes myself, i did it, the boxes are mine. this is why lawyers are often -- because they keep pulling their hair out with clients like this. >> jill, talk to me about trumps comparisons to those cases following -- as baseless as they appear on the surface, or they not? is the case of the former air force officer that i mentioned, bircham, is that a more apt comparison than what weve ...

To minimize the cases involving classified documents, no charges against hillary clinton, no charges against joe biden so far even though he also has a special counsel investigating him? >> yes. so the dismissive way to characterize what im about to tell you is to say im indulging what about-ism. this story is less about whether or not donald trump is guilty of the alleged crimes, the story is more about whether or not these alleged crimes have warranted prosecution in the past, and we have prec...

Under the constitution. unlike what donald trump was impeached for, which were not impeachable offenses. but there has to be transparency. thats why i also want the trial of donald trump to be televised. i think hearing should have been televised. we have to know how i just system is operating. half the country doesnt trust our justice system. and the idea that we have probably the most important trial in modern american history, hidden from the public view. well, simply raise the question again...

This pretty quickly. but the political narrative as we already know, katy, is well under way, and in hand of his political opponents who are doing the what-about-ism, who are doing the, you know, the disparate justice, that theyre treating biden differently from trump, ignoring, as you put up at one point, the clear comparative facts between, oh, my lawyers found this while we were going through some documents and turned it over within 24 hours, versus a year-long effort that involves subpoenas ...

Hes author of the book of substack, and a former republican communications director who left the party in 2020 and is now a senior adviser to the lincoln project. thank you all for joining me tonight. julio, let me begin with you. the republicans say this political violence on all sides, we should condemn all of it. all lives matter. remember, a bernie supporter attacked steve scalise. what is your response to that line of argument, that what about-ism? >> its completely disproportionate. as you...

Adviser to the lincoln project. thank you all for joining me tonight. julio, let me begin with you. the republicans say this political violence on all sides, we should condemn all of it. all lives matter. remember, a bernie supporter attacked steve scalise. what is your response to that line of argument, that what about-ism? >> its completely disproportionate. as you said, one party, the republican party, whose leader, donald trump, has encouraged a climate of violence. we saw that on january 6t...

Just how far, as peter said, hes prepared to go, is what were seeing leverage to get a better negotiated outcome? does he decide to go in? if he goes in, is it for a slice of the loaf or does he try to get the entire loaf? >> peter, its not as if the united states has the strongest, most stable position in the world. were a couple of years away from an election that might not be free and fair. i think thats a pretty extreme statement, but its not far off from what were seeing with all of the cha...

Their party but they refuse to stand up and defend themselves, stand up for themselves, stand up against the former president, stand up against their base. these cowardly lions that would love to have a spine. >> real quickly, not play what-about-ism. weve talked about many states that are republican led. lets look at the illinois map, run by democrats in that state. theres a very strangely drawn are gorymandered district in illinois. no one is talking about that. but the point is the focus need...

Cyberattack why just 16. dan hoffman served in moscow joins us now. dan, this is one of the things that really stuck out. how about dont hack us -- dont cyberattack us. no more ransomware or there will be hell to pay. >> yeah, i mean, this was pretty extensive, the list, and the question for us going forward is whether the biden administration has asserted deterrence in cyberspace. im not sure that we have. its going to be appear extraordinarily important requirement for the intelligence communi...