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China in that role. my panel joins me to discuss. ivo daalder, youre the head of -- on one of the commissions that headed that survey. what do you think? >> donald trump is making international great again. the reality is its like oxygen. you dont know its there until its gone and people are starting to understand that the ways in which the united states has engaged for 70 years as a global leader, on democracy, on security, on economics, they may not have liked the specifics and at times dislik...