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>> i want to get to this question of peoples self-interests. david, you have two narratives going on. one, literally no one, including donald trump and his wife, melania, expected him to win or even necessarily wanted to win. they thought they would win by losing and they would set up media empires of their own. at the same time, youve got two distinct people who were described as themselves thinking they are presidential material. lets start with stoeve bannon. bannon was telling people that he...

The same way. if hes useful to trump, hell be back at some point and vice versa. >> yeah, the weird drama between roger ailes, rupert murdoch and donald trump between all of this is just bizarre. >> spectacular. >> i want to get to this question of peoples self-interests. david, you have two narratives going on. one, literally no one, including donald trump and his wife, melania, expected him to win or even necessarily wanted to win. they thought they would win by losing and they would set up me...