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Has gone public saying that they will not produce the documents. so refusing to do so could potentially lead to what? >> he could be held in contempt. he is going to produce these eventually, fred. and it may wind itself through the courts, but he will produce it. the thing is this, i disagree with avery. i think there is a likelihood that they will use flynn as a witness down the road. not right now, but down the road. >> so cut a deal. >> the question remains are they even going to need flynn ...