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Said when we get below 20,000 cases a day we would get back to normal. well, we had 5 yesterday and moving average is probably more than 12 to 15,000. we are not going to get to zero. we will see cases in the one to it 7 range testing intensely with things like the pcr test which can detect 10 mols of the virus not enough to make you sick thats the level of testing we have got. at some point we have got to start moving on. jillian: do you think we are at herd immunity now. >> if you look at the ...