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And then there are those who say, no, no, no, this is 5,000 year civilization. >> i think you can look at the history and i can see how people can draw both of these conclusions. but what strikes me most in long-term chinese history is that china has always been just as interested in the rest of the world as every other major power. a lot of the time, though, they would get into situation where there wasnt much attraction for them to be sending out voyages to the other end of the world or people...