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Its simply not symmetrical tradeoff, if you will. that would be a step in the right direction, but i dont think that alone will get many of our votes. we think we ought to start over, candy? >> i understand. you say since he will not start over, its done, and all the republicans will vote no on the senate side? >> yeah, i think thats right. i think they will pursue the parliamentary device called reconciliation, which in effect is senator byrd, who wrote the budget law and had something to say a...

Taking over the show. >> thank you very much. let me start with your ending possession after the summit, and that is start over again. short of that, is there any way the president can reconfigure this bill that would get your support? >> i dont think so, candy. this is a massive overhaul of one-sixth of the economy. republicans dont believe half a trillion dollars in medicare cuts and half a trillion dollars in new tax and possibly higher insurance premiums for all in the insurance market is re...

Because they by and large approve of each of the provisions. and when we showed them what the priorities that have been boiled down to and what it means to them as they sit around their kitchen table rather than us sitting around a table at blare house, i think that will have a very positive result. it will be great for the american people. >> but you know because you have heard from some of these house members, i am sure, who come to you and say i cannot live with this or i am getting nailed ba...

Majority and, frankly, a kind of arrogant way saying we are smarter than you are, americans, we are going to give this to you whether you want it or not. >> you mentioned the polls a couple times. the news media lives and breathes on polls, and they are always important, but one of the calculations here when people are looking at this, the critics of the republican party are saying the reason they are doing this, they looked at the polls and they dont want to give the president a break, and they...

>> lets talk about the fairness of it. just because it has been used before for lesser issues doesnt mean its appropriate for this issue. you had senator byrd himself, the former democratic majority leader saying within the last year to use this device for something like health care would be an outrage, which must be resisted. thats a democrat, candy. thats not republicans. there are a number of other democrats that do not think something of this magnitude ought to be jammed down the throats of ...

Insurance companies accountable, and its -- when the public sees what is in this bill, because they by and large approve of each of the provisions, and when we showed them what the priority are that are been boiled down to, this is a smaller bill, and what it boils down to and what it means to them sitting around their kitchen table rather than us sitting around a table at blair house, i think we will have a very positive result and it will be great for the american people. >> but you know becau...

To the issue of what can you do, you are going to vote no, but are their things within the parameters the democrats seem to go for reconciliation, and is there something you all can do in that process to either slow this down or stop it? >> lets talk about the fairness of it. just because it has been used before for lesser issues doesnt mean its appropriate for this issue. you had senator byrd himself, the former democratic majority leader saying within the last year to use this device for somet...

Would be an outrage that must be resisted. why did he say that, candy? he said it because you would have an unelected official, the senate parliamentian, determining what it is going to look like. thats why senator byrd had the severe reaction to take this approach on the restructuring on american society? >> yeah, and he did, and i want point something out. since 1980, there have been 16 times a reconciliation was used under a republican-controlled senate and 6 times under a democratic-controll...