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He was. >> right. but he -- yes, but if youre running for president you should have to show up. how do you conduct an interview with somebody -- >> i dont disagree with you. >> you dont disagree. >> no. >> and by the way, lets remember the historic night. if i was teaching journalism, i would pull up the tape. i cant remember the date. but i was watching you. it was 10:45 p.m. and you were in a -- i dont want to call it a brawl. but you were doing your job as a journalist and kellyanne conway di...