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And by contributions to your pbs station from viewers like you. Thank you. Pastor and bestselling author rob intel no stranger to controversy. In 2011, his book love wins prompted an outcry amongst his former michigan Congregation Church he founded in 1999. Then he stepped down as pastor but didnt step away from the controversy. Hes back with another controversial paperback called what we talk about when we talk about god. Rob, great to have you on the program. What a great title, what we talk about when we talk about god. Is talking about what . I would say when we talk about god were answering or asking the question what kind of universe are we living in. And most people have a story thats guiding their life. A narrative. And the word god is essentially the word we use for whatever it is thats the thing been the thing. The thing that undergirds it all. So is the universe a cold, dead, lonely place, or is there love . Are we on our own, or are there forces or a greater force thats on

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