things their work in the u.s. the investigation encompassed work including the desimilar nati decimation weconcerning the tri of tymoshenko. an english lawyer asoels uasoci with law firm a on november 23rd 2017 three days before the charges were unsealed, november 3rd, 2017 in d.c. alex van der zwann didn t interview. he was represented by counsel. he was warned that intentionally false statements could subject him to criminal charges. he inkaltdicated he understood.
with the prosecutors were in november and december and if gates cooperates, maybe he didn t start that early. they have access to e-mails and chats and electronic media gates had and this fellow van der zwann showed up in some of that and may have been what happened. what is interesting here is that and it s something we ve talked about a lot on your show, that the investigation doesn t stop with the indictment. here we are four days later and bob mueller and his team of prosecutors and agents are interviewing somebody that s a fact witness in the same case and they are just as offended when it happens then as before when somebody lies to them, they will prosecute you for it. we see them pop up in court but that doesn t mean they aren t working on a million other things. right and not the first guy on your bingo card who was a surprise. papadopoulos and the identity theft will continue to see as this investigation unfolds surprises and people you never
paul ma manafort funneled money. it was unsealed on the last monday in october and a few days later, this fellow van der zwann showed up voluntarily with his lawyer and asked questions about his dealings with gates having to do with the report and lied about it and so he wasn t really acting as a lawyer in that conversation with gates. he had a different kliclient if had one at all. in this particular instance, he was a witness to whether gates and manafort were actually pulling the strings behind the skadden report. if you look at the evidence they laid out, does that read to you as it does to me this is information they were able to put together in part because rick gates is sharing information with them. maybe but maybe not. because it all happened pretty quickly, the two meetings he had
were false saying that despite those denials, in fact, this lawyer who is charged today, he was still in communication with rick gates about this whitewash report on tymoshenko early september 2016 after paul manafort was kicked off the trump campaign. gates was still working for the trump campaign. according to the special counsel s office, this lawyer who was charged today communicated with gates using an encrypted app which appears to have made them think nobody can listen in on what they were saying. gates sent van der zwann documents. van der zwann called person a and discussed in russian, he speaks russian, criminal charges might be brought against the criminal justice minister, law firm a and paul manafort and we don t know why but the special counsel s office and statement of offense also say that van der zwann made recordings of the
van der zwann made the comments during the interview. three days later this is. and then in the statement of the offense, the special counsel s office lists three things they say van der zwann falsely stated his last communication with rick gates had been in mid august and it was mid august 2016 and it had been a text message. they say he falsely stated that his last communication with a long-time business associate of manafort and gates of ukraine was way back in 2014 when he talked with that person about that person s family. according to the special counsel s office, he falsely stated that he had no idea why skadden hadn t gave an e-mail that dated from september 2016 between him and person a, him and this person he said he actually hadn t talked to since 2014. statement of the offense lays all that out and lays out in detail why all of those things