Lets listen back in i dont and mr marson do you have any information as to why the Vice President was unable to participate in the delegation no. Besar volcker you testified during your deposition that it in fact does get held up from time to time for a whole assortment of reasons is that i wrote that is true and sometimes the hold ups are rooted in something you know and being sometimes is it the Defense Department sometimes just at the state department sometimes on the hill correct that is correct. And so when the aide was held up for 55 days. For ukraine it didnt in and of itself strike you as uncommon you know its something that had happened in my career in the past had seen all ups of assistance i just assumed it was part of the Decision Making process somebody had an objection and we had to overcome it and in fact. There were concerns that you know perhaps president selenski wasnt going to be the reformer that he campaigned on that that was a supposition that i made because of th