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those would be a little more difficult to actually study what they are, because it is a theory. it has not been put into place. you cannot say whether it is doing better or worse. i am more than happy to get into that discussion. i just want to make sure we are preparing current comparing current systems that are in use. it is a reality that you cannot necessarily do the same empirical analysis supervisor avalos: i understand. i hope there is a use of this system elsewhere. it could be on another continent, a place called utopia, maybe. perhaps not a real place. more than happy to do whatever the commission wishes. chairperson campos: if i may, commissioners, whether it is at a meeting today or subsequent to the meeting, if you want to have a follow-up discussion with mr. fried, i want to make sure he is able to follow up on the specific issues or concerns that you may have. if there is something specifically that you think it is important that he looked at, if you can

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