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wrongdoing in those conversations. begin with white house correspondent sara murray. >> the white house downplaying cnn reporting saying that chief of staff reince priebus did nothing wrong but told by a source close to the president there is some consternation, heartburn about the conversations between reince priebus and fbi, the source says not the distraction the president needs. really hoping to focus on top line agenda items and getting frustrated with the negative coverage he's getting around the staff story particularly, and this was another blow around that front. clear at white house in peculiar incident that the white house didn't want to discuss this with cnn any further. press secretary sean spicer holding offcamera gaggle. at times doing this, may just invite a pool in or small group but bizarre. cherry picked news outlets in. more conservative leaning and favorable to the president allowed in but i was blocked trying to atend for cnn and number of other major news outlets including "new york times" and politico, sources that president has been vocally criticized also blocked. asked why they decided to hand select which news outlets to let in or block. they didn't respond today. >> thank you sara. bring in maeve reston. ask about the "new york times" reporting. reporting that national security adviser h.r. mcmaster breaking with president, not calling terrorists radical islamists and signaling more moderate approach to the islamic world. what's your reaction? >> seen top adviser after top adviser breaking with donald trump. it's hugely significant because donald trump was so intent on using that phrase on the campaign trail last year. radical islamic terrorism and make a big deal in front of the crowds as big crowd pleasing moment. interesting break there. >> talk about something else. get back to what happened today. do you think president trump is attacking the media as distraction from the cnn reporting, incredible reporting we've been doing? >> i think it's certainly -- that may be one of his motivations. but i think steve bannon and donald trump have made it very clear that their strategy in the first 100 days is have a hostile relationship with the media. i believe bannon said at cpac things would only get worse. what happened with sara murray at white house and other news organizations is really unfortunate. but that's the game the white house wants to play. they think it's going to work in their favor in terms of helping to gin up the base and making the media the enemy. >> maeve, the former vice president dick cheney just introduced current vice president mike pence at republican jewish coalition of -- in las vegas now. what is this event? >> this is a powerful gathering that cheney and pence just addressed and pence is speaking now. republican jewish coalition, a hugely powerful donor network for the republicans. mike pence is there tonight to offer his thanks from both him and donald trump for standing with them throughout the campaign last year and being really powerful donors. he gave a special tribute also to shell vin adelson, one of the most powerful donors in the republican party, giving over 80 million to conservative causes last year. also made a tribute to dick cheney. rare appearance to see the former vice president out there and pence often talked about him as role model and tonight cheney was joking he had never met a vice president who was happy and he was so glad to see pence filling those shoes and that role. lot of affection between the two on stage tonight. >> i appreciate that maeve. bring in alan dershowitz, matt lewis -- good to have you all on. matt ask you about the "new york times" reporting. h.r. mcmaster breaking with president, not calling terrorists, radical islamists and signaling what might be more moderate approach to the islamic world. do you think so? >> i will be very interested to see how this plays out. does he walk the talk? is this reporting solid? because this is surprising. i mean i think that calling it radical islamism is the moderate position. don't want to accuse all muslims of being involved in something bad. but calling it radical, that qualifier, and islamism, i think is the accurate and even dare say politically correct term. but i have great respect for general mcmaster and the work he did in the counterinsurgency. if anybody has the credibility to say this is the wrong terminology, he would be one of the people. >> alan, i know you want to respond. i bring up a good point, this is "new york times" reporting, not cnn's, go on alan. >> first of all i think trump is right to call it radical islamic terrorism. when i reported jewish defense league in 1970s, everybody called it extremist jewish terrorism. done in the false name of judaism and this is done in the false name of islam. think it's good thing to have national security adviser, expert in this, use a more moderate term. no reason why there shouldn't be disagreement in the executive branch. president can continue to use his term which i support and national security adviser uses his term to maintain good relations with the arab allies. saudis, emirates, egyptians. as long as nobody uses term islamic terrorism without the preface of radical or extremist. >> i think it plays into the hands of exactly what the extremists want. want us to label them as radical islamic terrorists to am up their base, collect more money, organize the grassroots. they go on the internet and use this as ammunition to grow their base of support. that's what mcmaster knows. what i'm curious about, with all due respect mr. dershowitz, in a normal presidency, of course have differences of opinion. but this is not normal presidency. third day the new nsa adviser counters a main talking point out of the president's administration, i'm curious to see what the president will do. is he going to fire another national security adviser? just make him look weak. >> not if he's smart. >> exactly. >> i think say i welcome the disagreement s and will work out fine. in terms of encouraging isis, they don't need encouragement. i don't think calling something its true name -- shouldn't be making policy. >> and let's see what the actual truth is before coming to conclusion about exactly what this is. alan turn to anti-semitism and talk about that topic. last night some things you wanted to discuss. wanted more time than in a three minute segment or 30 seconds left because think it's important. vice president pence speaking at republican jewish coalition event in las vegas, we've talked about last few weeks were not great particularly after told a jewish reporter to sit down at his press conference last week. you say you think president trump and steve bannon are anti-semitic -- >> no. >> or they're not. >> i've said over and over again. >> do you think this is olive branch know -- with the correction there. think not anti-semitic. but going to jewish cemetery an olive branch? >> think it's right thing to do. i think the administration has not been tough enough on anti-semitism. i think they've allowed things to happen. bannon has allowed jews to be left out of of the holocaust commemoration because he doesn't want to alienate people on the alt-right. he's not anti-semite but strategist and opportunist and finds political support where he can get it. i think administration owed anti-semitism a more respectful approach. glad sending pence out. i wish the president would say i don't want support from anyone who is anti-semitic. go elsewhere. but short of that, what pence is saying in las vegas is good thing. speaking up in the cemetery was wonderful. can i also make my point about the democrats. >> i will get other folks' reaction and then talk about that. republican jewish coalition and vice president, slip of the tongue. alan said they're not anti-semitic, my mistake. what do you think? >> there's a careful balance. be irresponsible not to recognize there is a base of anti-semitic voters that do support donald trump, and they need that base right now, angry and engage and criticizing the media for not doing its job. that's their shtick. but -- they have to appease republican base. some anti-semitic, not all but some, and donors that are pro-israel voters. >> you say denounced anti-semitism and should be enough. what about the rise of it across the opportunity? >> i agree with everything said so far. i do think it's concerning that we've seen these incidents and that's problematic. my point though is, a couple days ago president trump was very clear in denouncing anti-semitism. then i saw, you know, another 24 hours of the press saying was he passionate enough? did he denounce it strong enough? >> i don't think that was it matt. i think you're being hyperbolic. i think saying why didn't he -- what took him so long to do it. if you ask someone a question about anti-semitism, racism, about xenophobia, misogyny, anything, all you have to do -- it's easy answer. we have no place in our culture, in our society for it. and it will not be tolerated. boom. end of story. >> i think this plays into what a lot of people don't like about the press and the sense that they're brow did tbeating him. he was very clear. gave a responsible and appropriate comment >> i think the press did say that. >> and there was a lot of follow-up commentary in the press. he should have said it stronger. >> he should have. >> and i think that's part of what people don't like -- >> imagine if he said -- if as strong as words against the press were to counter these statements. >> right. >> or against the cast of "hamilton" not able to generate as much against anti-semitism in the block. >> alan get to what you wanted to talk about. didn't want to give you short shrift. keith ellison, you don't support keith ellison, you think -- i don't know if you think he's anti-semitic but some of the views or things he's said are. >> he's made anti-semitic statements in the past, associated with virulent anti-semites and after working closely with farrakan who called judaism a gutter religion and after this, ellison gets up and says i didn't know he was anti-semite until i decided to run for office in a neighborhood with a lot of jewish voters. opportunistic and calculated and then votes against the iron dome. how do you do that? it's methodology of protecting civilians from terrorist rocket attacks. why are the democrats thinking of picking somebody who extreme? going to turn them into the labor party in england. last time tried to moderate leftist people, mcgovern and dukakis. >> how could they be -- than they are right now. >> they won the popular vote in the election. >> and that's how we win elections? >> no. >> but reality is democrats have lost over 1,000 seats in eight years, raised more money than ever. the fight right now in the dnc is not about anti-semitic comments. to be fair you have chuck schumer, randy wein garden, this is the man who supported only jewish candidate for president and supported huns of millions of dollars to israel. list goes on and on. >> it stops right now. >> and smear campaign. dnc sending me messages they've been getting about keith ellison's voting record that is false. i checked it and it's false. fighting how to win back seats. not about a policy decision or smear tactic but the money going to major contracts at national level. hundreds of millions of dollars have gone to national contracts for eight major firms. many of which are dnc members. you're an attorney, you are a professor of law. it is a conflict of interest for voting members of the dnc, executive members, to be taking hundreds of millions of dollars from the dnc and not going to the states. >> let them vote for a candidate who will undo this but not someone with anti-semitic and antiisrael background. >> we have to take a break. be right back. ♪ announcer: get on your feet for the nastiest bull in the state of texas. ♪ ♪ (crowd cheers) ♪ [car[clicking of ignition]rt] uh-- wha-- woof! eeh-- woof! wuh-- [silence] [engine roars to life] [dog howls] ♪ dramatic opera music swells from radio ♪ [howling continues] but i keep it growing by making every dollar count. that's why i have the spark cash card from capital one. with it, i earn unlimited 2% cash back on all of my purchasing. and that unlimited 2% cash back from spark means thousands of dollars each year going back into my business... which adds fuel to my bottom line. what's in your wallet? 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isn't that what we do in this country? >> it's not. i do that myself. favoring two state is good, voting against the iron dome is unacceptable. supporting u.n. resolution that says israel has no control over the western wall and access road to hebrew university. but go back to the time with farrakan or spoke to someone and said i don't respect you because you're woman and jew and shouldn't be in law school. i'm quoting his own words. when he said jews have too much power over american foreign policy. so many good candidates for chairman of the dnc, why pick someone who is going to make me quit the democratic party, stop contributions from -- and alienate so many of the base of the democratic party. ruin it and turn into corbin's labor party and push it so far to the left. >> the hate to break the news but the democratic party is hemorrhaging membership. base of the party has been lost for over a decade. the question here, democrats that are voting members have nowhere to go. new generation, where are they going? literally no leadership at state levels. lowest point since 1920 and we're having a conversation about quotes from a college newspaper and association that keith ellison had with someone and is guilty by association. you made an accusation of him and he didn't respond, i didn't know you had to respond to every accusation out there. >> good serious ones. >> but bring up interesting point. >> can't compromise with anti-semitism. >> mentioned heim sab at, that's indicative of the problem. dnc has been beholden to few members. prem afraid of losing his money. other conversation is why do we have to donate -- for members, to fund consultants losing us elections. none of the states have money to organize, recruit, train, activate, encourage new members to join and having conversation about a sland rus attack. >> having a conversation about anti-semitism and asking why obama doesn't support keith ellison, why joe biden. >> because he worked for -- >> doesn't support. and why he doesn't satisfy all the criteria without introducing this element of anti-semitism. >> don't need -- >> can i ask you a question? what is more important having conflicts of interest in the democratic or responding to landerous attacks 100% of the members concerned about conflicts of interest. secretary perez propped but by five major consulting firms. >> and they're wrong. there's no reason to compromise with anti-semitism. no business to justifying it. >> no one is doing that. >> others will quit if you compromise. trivialing what he's said in the past. >> two democrats there arguing. and there are folks who have said this is why the democrats lost in november because they're so busy eating each other up. not to say anti-semitism isn't important. >> stop fighting and pick with uniter instead of divider. >> instead of going with candidate who on the republican side said tough things, they eat each other alive. >> sometimes parties have to have these fights and things are worth fighting for. i think professor dershowitz is right. give him credit for calling out his own side. this topic with anti-semitism. i don't think the other side of the conversation is talking about anti-semitism but look this is unfortunate reality here. we have both sides of the political spectrum, populist right and populist left infected with strains of anti-semitism. i think it would be a real shame if the democrat party -- was it harry truman who recognized it as that party to nominate a chairman of political with ties to farrakan? >> this is keith ellison at democratic national committee debate on cnn. listen. now we don't have it. >> ask my colleague a direct question. do you believe ellison when he said when he worked with farrakan all those years he had no idea he had any anti-semitic views. do you believe that? >> that's not for me to decide. i'm reporting on it. >> you're advocating, not reporting. >> i've interviewed all the candidates, talked to them. talk about conflicts of interest and follow the money. >> if what you said is not -- advocating for ellison and against perez and think you have an obligation to answer the question. down him when he said -- >> again not under inquisition. i'm asking a question. and reporting. i have interviewed all the candidates extensively. >> you haven't answered the question. >> i don't have to. i'm reporting on what i am doing. >> roll this please. >> dogged by own questions about potential anti-semitism. what do you say to critics? >> these are false allegations. that's why i have 300 rabbis and jewish community leaders who signed a letter supporting me. five of my colleagues say i don't have anything to say about this race but we know keith and he's good man and always has been. long -- i have strong support from the jooish community. these are smears and we're fighting back every day with people who know us. it is critical we speak up against anti-semitism because right now you have jewish cemeteries being defaced and desecrated. right now community centers getting bomb threats. we have to stand up for the jewish community. >> doesn't satisfy anything for you? >> no doesn't satisfy me. it's tactical. changed his views whenever he's needed to. and made statements in the past he's now renounced. but always tactically. we can do better than keith ellison. we have to bring the party together, the rust belt back. he's not going to do anything for that. if you think he's going to bring at a independents back into the party, most of them republicans that didn't like trump and stein voters, nobody will be left enough for them. we have to go back to the middle west and win the rust belt and he's the last possible person -- >> one point about unity. only candidate in the race not received bernie sanders supporters endorsements and hillary clinton is tom perez. one thing to note. randy we randy wein gua randy wein garten, married to rabbi both endorsed and fought back against the slaernd. this is about winning elections and secretary perez has not won an election. >> depending on what happens, alan may be resigning from the democratic party. i'm serious. said it here. >> will be painful. >> come to the conservative side. >> there you go. >> becoming independent. still vote mostly for democrats but won't be a member of club that has its chairman a man with anti-semitic -- >> welcome to the independents alan. you can see the hypocrisy on both sides. thank you very much. have a great weekend. we'll be right back. ket i'm going to get you out of this chair. breton. you can use it online and on your phone. nope. it's been masterpassed. winning the little victories, priceless masterpass, the secure way to pay from your bank don't just buy it, masterpass it. and now we unleash it onwerful your taxes.pecies has created. hello my name is watson. yep. h&r block and ibm watson together. creating a future of more money going back into the pockets of more families. welcome to taxes won. h&r block with watson. come see us and get your taxes won. din pure gold.e... the new 24k nudes palette... from maybelline new york. 12 pigment-rich shades... from gilded gleams, to precious metals. maybelline's the 24k nudes. make it happen ♪maybelline new york remember when you said men are supeyeah...ivers? 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[whisper: rocket] my radio panel here with me now. john fredericks and bill press. john you come back, glutton for punishment. we appreciate you for it. be self-indulgent and talk about ourselves. i really don't like to do but we'll do it. talking about cnn, john, "new york times," "los angeles times," politico, buzzfeed blocked from press briefing just hours after the president said this. >> as you saw throughout the entire campaign, and even now, the fake news doesn't tell the truth. doesn't tell the truth. so just in finishing, i say, it doesn't represent the people, it never will represent the people, and we're going to do something about it. >> john, do you think this is what the president is talking about? what do you think he's talking about there? >> i think there are issues. what the president is saying we can't have news that is not accurate. we've got commentary and opinion masquerading as straight news within the mainstream media. that's what he's calling out. got a right to do that. as far as today at press gaggle with sean spicer not inviting certain people. i guess i missed the funeral of the person who died and left the "new york times" in charge. give me a break. press gaggle after a major speech by the president at cpac. >> so you think it's coincidence that the two news organizations reporting strongly on stories that have been corroborated and panned out and they've been not invited and it's coincidence? >> don look. >> come on. answer my question. >> you asked me the question. >> busted. >> may i respond? >> yeah of course. >> you invited -- he invited all the press that reports to the pool all the information. they have the audio. second invited nbc, abc, cbs, mcklatchy, my former company. >> not reporting on the russian connections or fbi. >> he invited a lot of people. didn't invite cnn, "new york times," who cares? you got all the information. this is so ridiculous. >> let bill get in. >> can i just say first of all, i'm a member of the white house correspondents association, go to the briefings, every day for the last eight years. we watched with just afraid of what might happen, watching during the campaign when donald trump called on certain reporters by name, banned certain outlets from coming to events been afraid since then that would happen. two things. throw the press out of the briefing room, haven't done, and two, start to cherry pick people allowed in. exactly what happened today, appalling and huge mistake. this was called as gaggle. i get the notice. gaggle in the briefing. it was true. >> that's just inaccurate. >> no you're wrong. i get notices from the white house i'll e-mail it to you after the show. gaggle called in the briefing room. at noon it was changed to gaggle in spicer's office as expanded pool. then as certain people walked in, huffington post, politico, l.a. times, "new york times" and cnn, just happen to be people writing about the russian connection, not proven false at all, it is correct. not allowed in. this is suppression of the media. >> that is how my colleague started his show today. >> let's not make any mistake about what is happening here, a white house that's had difficulty telling the truth and seemed to have trouble getting up to speed on competent functioning of government and president averse to any criticism and calling the press enemies of the american people, taking next step in trying to avoid checks and balances and accountability. it's not acceptable, it's petulant and in fact sean spicer seemed before to understand this. said the white house will not ban any media organization as the trump campaign had. quote we have a respect for the press as government. that's something you can't ban an entity from, conservative, liberal or otherwise. that's what makes a democracy a democracy versus a dictatorship. the trump white house now led by sean spicer's department and others block -- and keep reporters from sharing facts you don't like. offer rhetoric to confuse you about the issue such as this from the president today. >> we are fighting the fake news. it's fake, phony, fake. a few days ago i called the fake news the enemy of the people and they are. they are the enemy of the people. because they have no sources, they just make them up when there are none. >> just simply not true. don't misunderstand what is going on with that rhetoric and today's action banning various media outlets including cnn and "new york times." this white house does not seem to respect the idea of accountability, or value on independent press. there is a word for that line of thinking. the word is un-american. >> by the way, coming from white house where people who are there currently now have been speaking on background, asking people to speak on background, have been sources for this network and anothers. donald trump used to reportedly call reporters as john miller for his own press, spoken on background before and been the source for many stories. so what is going on here john? is jake right? i think he might be. >> well it's interesting narrative by jake and good commentary and he can do whatever edit oralial he pleases. we alou that in america, we have a free press and anybody can say as columnist whatever they please. i don't agree with him. what happened today, the arrogance of some of these press people that think they have a seat at the table no matter what happens. in the press briefings with sean spicer, i'm a member of the white house correspondents crew, just like bill press is. only so many seats in there. sean spicer said look not going to have this today, invite several people to the office. invited the pool press -- everybody knows what this means. when you invite the pool press, everything said is on the record and they disseminate it to everybody else. this is nothing different. >> no, no, no. >> john -- what it if was fox news? would you feel the same way. >> you guys are mad. >> nobody is mad. >> who cares? >> i think just disingenuous, would you feel the same way if it was fox news? 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>> look don, said this before, i think this is a great thing. and i think republican congressmen that refuse to hold legitimate town hall meetings in legitimate areas and open up in big venues are missing the boat on this. owe to their constituents and everybody, if i was republican in any district have five of them a week when i have a week off. pick the biggest venues possible and every location in the district and invite everybody to come and stand there and take the questions. this is democracy. >> it's from -- >> if people are upset, they need to be heard. >> everyday voter to some of the biggest names in hollywood. uta is some of the biggest names, donated $250,000 to american civil liberties union, international rescue committee. do you think that republicans and trump administration should be concerned about this? big guys getting together with the little guys? >> i think it's part of the democracy process don. and worst thing that republicans can do is hide from this and do a facebook live which is absolutely ridiculous. telephone meetings, say afraid about security. they can get security there. they need to be heard. >> last word. >> i encourage the protesters. >> this is another manifestation of the resistance. it's popping up everywhere. it's healthy, john is right, this is democracy in action. >> it is. >> this is great. notice the democratic party is not organizing this. not democrat versus republican. this is the people speak up against donald trump agenda from top to bottom. >> thank you gentlemen. >> it's manifest. >> have a great weekend. be right back. it's over. i've found a permanent escape from monotony. together, we are perfectly balanced. our senses awake. our hearts racing as one. i know this is sudden, but they say...if you love something set it free. see you around, giulia and i finally found our big idaho potato truck. it's been touring the country telling folks about our heart healthy idaho potatoes, america's favorite potatoes, and donating to local charities along the way. but now it's finally back home where it belongs. aw man. hey, wait up. where you goin'? 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rules for russia coverage. restrictions come after cnn has retracted a story protecting prominent ally to president trump to russian investment fund. >> what kind of job is he doing. >> amazing job. much easier to criticize than it is to actually dive. in ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ the lights come on. brian: is this studio getting bigger? did we expand it over the weekend? it looks like we added it a wing. steve: biggest studio in the fox news complex. welcome aboard new york city and the white house. can you see peter doocy out on the lawn somewhere? ainsley: is he down on this corner. brian: secret service agents tackle you. steve: ainsley is walking on the lawn. i saw a clip from her big exclusive interview. ainsley: we interviewed her. we were in the rose garden with her and sat down in one of the rooms inside the white house. it's really cool. steve: peter doocy is on the north lawn of the white house where this morning, peter, how are people doing regarding deciding whether healthcare gets done before the fourth of july. >> sounds like any kind of presidential pressure being put on lawmakers to get this done is being applied in a friendly way at least the last few days and at least for now. president trump says since he moved here in january he has become friends with a lot of republican lawmakers. and since he only needs republican lawmakers in the senate to pass healthcare this week, he likes his chances of being able to flip enough of them to get it done. >> i have great relationships with most of the people in the senate with, as you know, most of the people in the house. i think i really -- i work very hard. i made a lot of great friendships with the people in the house. a lot of them. same thing in the senate. very good people. friends of mine. i don't think they are that far off. i don't think they are that far off. famous last words, right? i think we are going to get there i can't promise. i think we are going to get there. >> we are hearing just how aggressive president trump's wheeling and dealing whipping votes in the senate texas john cornyn. we are trying to hold him back a little bit. is he going to be important in the process. and even though there are five g.o.p. senators opposed officially to this bill right now. president trump is making calls to anyone who can change their minds at the last second. the white house isn't giving us a list of who these people are. we are hearing it from the senators themselves including senator luther strange from alabama who said he got a call h a great conversation with the president. appreciates how involved he is. and he said that he thinks the president is working very hard to get to 51. back to you. brian: all right. thanks, peter. the big question this week is the cbo. how much it costs and that's when a lot of republicans run for cover. because the cbo without mandate, technically less people are going to be covered because you don't have to get insurance. people like this thing called free dome of choice which i think we fought for. nau all of a sudden that's going to make other people say like dean heller, i think i'm going to maybe note go along with this unless is he pressured. other people on the fence for different people that you will paul, cruz, mike lee, and johnson. they want more medicaid. the conservatives saying why are you leaving medicaid expansion? we can't afford it those are the ones already on the record saying i can't vote for this. so, for the exact opposite reasons, two camps are on separate sides. steve: wife is medicaid so difficult? because half the republican run states went for the medicaid expansion. they took the money. the other half did not. brian: 8 overall. steve: here is what you have to keep in mind. if you are currently getting medicaid through the expansion program through the affordable care act it will continue in the future going forward, at least that's what kellyanne conway was trying to convince george stephanopoulos yesterday when he was essentially interrogating her over potential cuts to that program. >> this bill has even more medicaid cuts than the house bill. why is the president going back on his promise. >> they this is not cuts medicaid. this slows the rate for the future and allows governors more flexibility with medicaid dollars. they're the people in need. >> these senators are the ones saying these are medicaid cuts, is the president prepared to put more money back in medicaid. >> if you are currently in medicaid. if you became a medicaid recipient through the obamacare expansion, you are grandfathered. in we are talking about in the future. >> kellyanne, hold on a second there is no way can you say a 15-year-old on medicaid today can be affected by cuts in the future. >> you keep calling them as cuts. we don't call them cuts. it's slowing the rate of growth. ainsley: republicans are arguing doing the best they can and trying to come up with that you plan. what's happening with obamacare is not working. it's failing. paying too much. insurance companies are pulling out. they have to do something. whether or not republicans can come together and agree on this. and some of those five say they are not voting for it will the president, will will his calls to those individuals, those senators make a differencing? all right. what are your issues, rand paul? steve: i wouldn't start whim. ainsley: is he going to be a no definitely. if you go down the list what are the problems have you with this? let's try to fix this and negotiate it. brian: i wouldn't say rand paul is definitely a no and here is why. if you can talk to rand paul and let him know there is still going to be reconciliation and still going to be things tom price health and human services secretary can do down the line to fix this. the problem president trump finds himself in is that barack obama wrote a check on overdraft that we can't afford to all these states to have money to provide state-run programs. and now that that money is out there, another president walks in and says we can't afford this. we are $21 trillion in debt. and nobody is happy with this current plan. so then search all of a sudden, vilified donald trump for saying wow, you look you are taking money from the poor. we don't have that money to begin with. it was on a credit card that we couldn't afford to pay for. ainsley: that's what kellyanne was saying we need to slow down medicaid. brian: still increasing it. ainsley: saying it was for the elderly. it was for pregnant women and sick children. we need to go back to that and make sure we're not giving the people to money who don't need it. steve: sure, rand paul and others, you know, the entire prurecaucus said give us you a repeal and replace. ainsley: too much of obamacare. brian: you know why? because you cannot, without 60 votes, you can't completely repeal anything and pass anything. you have to fine tune what's there. steve: it's a trick. so, anyway, chuck schumer was on one of the sunday morning shows yesterday. he said look, we're ready to help fix this program. we don't want to redo it. so, anyway. going forward, will it happen by the end of the week? i was talking to white house insider he says not looking too good right now. brian: a lot of people say slow down. senator ron johnson and senator cassidy want to everybody slow down. we will see if slowing down does anything. ainsley: senator collins who access i want to seat cbo report. didn't the cbo report said eastbound was going to do well and be successful? wheant he wrong. brian: at love things cbo said promised with obamacare were flat outer reasonnous. steve: when you look, there are certain things in this particular senate plan that senators are going to say no to. lisa murkowski of alaska is a no when it comes to planned parenthood as is susan collins. brian: they want to defund it. steve: they will have to that i can thato takethat out. a lot of back and forth to see if they can come to an agreement. brian: lisa was on with tucker carlson about having a party a get together that excluded white people. it was a black lives matter party. ainsley: that's right. she had these remarks to say on tucker carlson's show and as a result she got gird. listen to what she said on tucker's show. >> boohoo who, you white people are angry because you couldn't use your white privilege card to get invited to the black lives matters all black memorial day celebration. wow. white folks crack me up. all of the sudden. >> it's not a white question e it's a universal value. >> black folks to focus on ourselves. have you been having white day's forever. who we have mother's day. father's day. >> not capable of having this conversation. i'm going to end it now. steve: we was suspended with pay. two days later, three days later she got fired. the college president got calls from everybody. couldn't believe she was on staff. >> ethics county college in new jersey. steve: her attorney believes her free speech rights have been violated. she is considering legal action. meanwhile, after otto warmbier died, there is a professor at the university of delaware by the name of catherine detected wyler, an detweiler, she on her facebook and comments online said this about 00 co-warmbier. ainsley: this is unbelievable. otto warmbier got exactly what he deserved. he went to north korea for a blank sake. and then agented like a spoiled, naive, arrogant u.s. college student who had never had to face the consequences of his actions. brian: 15 years hard labor and ends follow up a coma and i dos oncdiesonce he comes home. she is adjunct professor at delaware and i believe she was let go. receive. steve: she is not going to be asked to return to speech. both those professors after saying outrageous things one in print one on tv out of their jobs. ainsley: what is wrong with them. especially the teacher. my goodness the kid is dead. brian: tell that to the university of virginia. i talked to professor sabato who knew him. said the whole college, the university is in a sense of mourning. ainsley: which is where out toe went. brian: what are your thoughts about both these stories, let us know friends@foxnews.com or tweet us. steve: jillian joins us on this monday morning for headlines. jiff jiff tough to listen to for sure. good morning. is today the day justice antonin kennedy calls it questions. the speculation is growing at this hour. he will renounce his retire on the last day before summer recess. if he does throw in the towel that would give president trump a second supreme court pick. the high court also expected to decide what action to take on president trump's travel ban. and the justices could weigh in on a separation of church and state case that deals with a missouri church playground excluded from a state grant program. this is really heart-breaking. nine people are dead. dozens of others missing after a party book packed with people suddenly sinks. take a look at this video. four story ship plunging under water in just a matter of minutes in colombia. time laps video shows rescuers racing to the scene pulling 100 people from the water. it's unclear what caused that boat to sink. survivors stay appeared to be overloaded. gondola ride where a teenager plunged 25 feet to the ground that is. the girl's neck appears to be stuck in the metal bar before she falls into the hands of bystanders. it happened inside six flag greatest escape in new york. the entire thing was caught on camera. take a look. >> they will catch you. they will catch you, honey. go ahead. look at that scene. my goodness. 14 yearly girl not seriously hurt. the park is now conducting an internal review saying there doesn't appear to be a mechanical issue. the rest of the park though is still open. and when you guys saw that video i heard you reacting saying whoa, it's hard to look at that video. ainsley: some people came to her rescue and caught her. people behind them just standing there. i'm like go over there. steve: is that part of the ride. brian: can't get on those rides without saying to myself i wonder if i'm going to fall. enmeanwhile. ainsley: coming up our exclusive everywhere interview with ivanka trump. >> what do you think of your danchtsd i think is he doing amazing job. i think is he doing unbelievable job. ainsley: so what's the grade? steve: good tease. stick around. earning your cash back shouldn't be this complicated. yet some cards limit where you earn bonus cash back to a few places. and then, change those places every few months. enough with that! with quicksilver from capital one you've always earned unlimited 1.5% cash back on every purchase, everywhere. welcome to unlimited what's in your wallet? what's the story behind green mountain coffee and fair trade? let's take a flight to colombia. this is boris calvo. boris grows mind-blowing coffee. and because we pay him a fair price, he improves his farm and invest in his community to 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surprised just how much he was critical of the bill during the press conference. he thinks medicaid has been very good for his state and worried about the cut backs on this bill. that puts him at the other end of the spectrum from these senators. brian: tough re-election campaign. toss-up whether the expand packages need he had. extended it three years and giving to states we can't afford. >> already moved a little bit in moderate direction comparing it to the house bill. it's going to be difficult to move even further in that direction and secure his vote without frustrating the searches more. brian: senator rand paul is going to need more than a round of golf. his major complaint is everything. he considers this whole thing obamacare light. he wants repeal and replace. you north going to get this without 60 votes is there a midway point for him. >> i think republican leadership considers rand paul the toughest vote to get. he has consistently said this bill does not repeal obamacare and that's what he wants to vote for something that repeals obamacare. i think it's really difficult to imagine a scenario where they can add enough to the bill at this point to secure his vote. is he probably the likeliest no vote right now. brian: ted cruz interesting just as conservative. however he wants to get to a yes. his main complaint is that insurers are still compliant with aca regulations. wants amendment offering more flexible plan. so far we don't have any of that flexibility. we can't go across state lines to buy plans in the individual market. >> yeah. ted cruz's main complaint is obamacare has caused premiums to rise. he believes it's because of these regulations. if he can get changes to the bill to alou insurers to offer plans that opt out of these regulations i think he is going to be able to support it. brian: i think lee wants to play ball. conservative. remaining aca regulations drive up costs. of course the costs are out of control. no sign that medicare farm suit calls is going to come under the -- be reigned in at all either, right? >> correct. likefully a similar position as ted cruz. he cares about the regulations and how they have driven up the cost of premiums. if they can get flexibility there. i think mike lee can get to yes on the legislation. those are going to be tough things. brian: planned parenthood bring in murkowski if you don't repeal that put than 00 outside bring in murkowski and collins, perhaps. james arkin, thanks so much. when we come back, we will talk to -- ainsley talk talks d to ivanka trump.ll more in a minute. ainsley: i didn't talk down. tti. meningococcal group b disease, or meningitis b, is real. bexsero is a vaccine to help prevent meningitis b in 10 to 25 year olds. even if meningitis b is uncommon, that's not a chance we're willing to take. meningitis b is different from the meningitis most teens were probably vaccinated against when younger. we're getting the word out against meningitis b. our teens are 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dad. talking about what it's like to live in d.c., her children. steve: all new. ainsley: here is a complete of what we sat down and talked about. ainsley: you are an advisor to the president of the united states. what do you advise your father on? >> i advise my father on a plethora of things. so, you know, he trusts me to be very candid with my opinions. i don't have a hidden agenda. i make it very clear where i stand on a certain issue. so i give him my open and candid feedback. sometimes we agree. sometimes we disagree. ainsley: what do you disagree on. you. >> we are different people. there are areas we disagree. ains very interesting thing why i disagree with my father and my dad. i never actually spoke to them. i didn't know about the article, written until after it was published. it is written in first person which is slightly misleading headline. ainsley: interesting. >> i think it's normal to not have 100 percent aligned viewpoints on every issue. i think that would be a very strange scenario. i don't think -- i don't think anyone operates like that with a parent or within the context of an administration. and i think that all different viewpoints being at the table is a positive thing. and i think one of the things that in this country we don't have enough of is dialogue. and substantive dialogue where people who have dish opinions can speak about that. ainsley: your father. >> candidly. ainsley: he has met with ceos of tech companies. many of them didn't vote for him. he still wants to hear their opinions. the left says he is not doing a good job. what are your thoughts about that. >> there is extreme emphasis on what you are begins. there are so many areas where there is total alignment. i'm more interested in being for something than against something. so, naturally, there are areas where there is greent disagreem. i instead like to focus on areas where can i add positive value. where i can contribute to the agenda. policies around workforce development, about ensuring that barriers are removed for the american working family. policy that's enable that family to survive. focusing on how we can help our veterans and how we can really deliver them the care that they so need. focusing on issues relating to the really devastating opioid problem that we have in this country. ainsley: what do you advise him in regards to his tweeting? >> you know, i try to stay out of politics. ainsley: um-huh. >> his political instincts are phenomenal. ainsley: he won. >> he did something no one could have imagined he would be able to accomplish. very few saw it. i have been blessed to arrive from day one and before. but did he something pretty remarkable. but i don't profess to be a politically -- i leave the politics to other people and work on issues i care about. ainsley: what do you think about your dad. >> i think is he doing amazing job. unbelievable job. when you think about the security of this country, when you think about the policyst being put in place to support the american worker, when you see what's happening in the stock market, it's thriving, small business owners across this country feel a renewed sense of optimism in vigor and spirit. it's a really hard job. and there are always nay sayers and much easier to criticize than it is to actually dive in and do and affect change and move the ball forward. ainsley: that's great. so what's the grade? >> oh, an a. ainsley: an a? >> i'm slightly biased but definitely an a. steve: i was at the grocery store. i saw that "us weekly" head oh she has talked to them. no she didn't. ainsley: didn't ask her opinions. brian: little bit later we will be hearing about? ainsley: her children. what they think of air force one. steve: they have nickname for it. ainsley: they do. brian: cessna compared to what they had. steve: terrific. good interview. coming up on this monday, a traitor who put lives at&t risk, chelsea manning emerged yesterday to cheers. should we forget 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[growling] jillian: you know that guy, right? this man having a seizure when meeting ferrigno in tennessee. once cleared of the fans, he invited him back to the booth to take that picture. so it ended well. we will take that on this monday. i will send it back to you guys. steve: jillian, thank you very much. let's get in the time machine. it was 30 years ago today that one of the stars of full metal jacket matthew modine great silver screens around the world and joins us to tell us how he is helping veterans with something did you 30 years ago during the making of the movie. >> stanley had me do something which was quite extraordinary which was to take photographs on his set. i had a medium format roll low flex camera that somebody gave to me and said stanley would be so impressed if you knew how to use this camera. i started taking photographs answered liked them. steve: you were playing a journalist in the movie. >> i was a journalist and keeping a diary and taking photographs. these photographs sat in the box for some years. we published it into a book called the full metal jacket diary. and we made it into an ipad app. and now working with this company called paddle 8. it's online auction house, we are going to be selling the photographs to benefit the purple heart foundation. ainsley: that's wonderful. why is this important to u.? >> well, for many reasons. i have done a lot of work with the wounded warrior project and my uncle was purple heart recipient. he flew b-17 in the second world war. flew 17 missions before he got shot down. almost had his right arm taken off. he crash landed the plane with one arm in a field in france. i wore his dress uniform in the movie. i was playing essentially what my uncle did. and he said one thing they always get wrong with these movies is serve too damn old. he said he was 20 years old when he was the pilot of the plane. steve: 20? >> his crew was 17, 18 years old. i think i was about 30 when i did the film. i wore his dress uniform. he said when you put that uniform on, don't disrespect it. it changes your life. recently in los angeles, last week, i was at an event for veterans. and i said the pledge allegiance for the first time with a group of people like that, and it brought me -- it brought tears to my eyes because the pledge of allegiance when you hear it coming from people who have served this nation, it takes on a whole different kind of significance. brian: there is something, too, about the vietnam war. we really have respect, i think, 95% of the people i talk to for the people that served now, world war ii, world war i. korea a something about vietnam, it doesn't feel as though those guys have been respected. >> no, they haven't. my brother served. my brother was in the navy. my brother russell, at a and my brother elizabeth and mark. mark was the only one that went to vietnam. yeah. it's kind of a forgotten part of our history. brian: not for you? >> no. i have done three films about vietnam. streamers that robert altman directed. before we knew those words. post-traumatic stress that bernie suffering with nicholas cage directed by allen parker and full metal jacket. it's a confusing war. it's a war that i don't think we understand why we fought it. ainsley: matthew, where did you grow up and how did you get into acting. >> i was born in -- i grew up in imperial beach. i moved to utah. my father was a drive-in theater manager. moved back where i graduated and moved to new york city to become an actor. brian: that worked out for you. stick with that see a few of the photos. i saw we had a couple of them up before during the break. maybe you could reflect on what we are going to be seeing. steve: so people can go to paddle 8.com. do they come autograph you had? >> i will personalize them to you. put your name, if you want to give it as a present to somebody. it's a great organization paddle 8. and i have been working with them for three months setting up this auction. it's extraordinary. my friends al jordan know. brian: who used to run the wounded warriors and did a great job and got the shaft by the way. >> that's stanley could you bring sitting in a crane and alec baldwin getting ready to shoot the sniper. that's me doing a selfie. brian: selfie. you were ahead of your time. >> that's the back of stanley crecrubic's head. walking back for graduation. three of us. only place in london you could get a cappuccino at the time. ainsley: go to paddle 8.com. see the picture and bid on them. >> we made the ipad app. is available for 1.99. used to be $15. we lowered the price for this special event for the 30th anniversary of the film. brian: george washington started it and you continue it the purple heart. congratulations on incredible career and it's not over. >> no. i got a movie now, 47 meters down in the theaters. steve: doing great. >> top five film for the second week in a row. ainsley: great. [applause] brian: things are coming around. come back in 30 years for that ains haines thank you so much. believe it or not, when president trump said this, he was right. >> just because the attack of fake news and attacking our network, i want to ask you, sir. >> i'm changing it from fake news, though, very fake news. ainsley: that network's latest collusion story so wrong they had to instituted an official russia policy. brian: and of course that leaked out. ♪ ♪ ♪ ...my 3-month old business... plus...what if this happened again? i was given warfarin in the hospital, but wondered, was this the best treatment for me? so i made a point to talk to my doctor. he told me about eliquis. eliquis treats dvt and pe blood clots and reduces the risk of them happening again. not only does eliquis treat dvt and pe blood clots. eliquis also had significantly less major bleeding than the standard treatment. eliquis had both... ...and that turned around my thinking. don't stop eliquis unless your doctor tells you to. eliquis can cause serious and in rare cases fatal bleeding. don't take eliquis if you have an artificial heart valve or abnormal bleeding. if you had a spinal injection while on eliquis call your doctor right away if you have tingling, numbness, or muscle weakness. while taking eliquis, you may bruise more easily... and it may take longer than usual for bleeding to stop. seek immediate medical care for sudden signs of bleeding, like unusual bruising. eliquis may increase your bleeding risk if you take certain medicines. tell your doctor about all planned medical or dental procedures. eliquis treats dvt and pe blood clots. plus had less major bleeding. both made eliquis right for me. ask your doctor if switching to eliquis is right for you. the only bed smart enough to change sleep as we know it. it senses your every move and automatically adjusts on both sides to keep you comfortable. and snoring ? 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>> oh, it's been wild. i mean, last week, i was sitting there at the u2 concert watching a message of unit and things like that. i get a breaking news alert from the "new york times" that said that mike mike film had access to confidential documents even when there were suspicions about him there was nothing breaking about that we have known that for months and months. ainsley: we are showing you the coverage of trump russia probe vs. loretta lynch. trump, russia, abc 14 minute, 22 seconds. nbc, 11 minutes, 42 seconds. and cbs 19 minutes, 9 seconds. loretta lynch the coverage of that, 31 seconds on nbc. no coverage on abc or cbs. steve: no story there keep moving. >> the stories coming outer that touching on the morning shows and breaking news. they are not even stories. they are old news. meanwhile a luge story has come out. even a democratic senator has said this looks really really unsavory, the fbi is actively investigating. by the way as we have gone over. they are not investigating donald trump and cnn had to retract a story a few weeks ago right after james comey said he wasn't actually investigating donald trump. they had to apologize and they scribbled the by lines off of it they put them back on. steve: speaking of the fbi investigation. trump and russia, big, big, big, not so much as bernie sanders and his wife are under fbi investigation, right? >> this has been a slow cooking story. we first reported on this in 2015 at the daily caller news foundation. and it'sline slowly rumbling up. now the fbi has been pushed to investigate whether or not bernie sanders' wife jane sanders took out a loan based on donations she had from burlington college which turned out didn't actually exist. question whether or not bernie sanders senate office pushed to them. because of that there is no more burlington college. the loan from the catholic church and loan from the bank were lost by the college. people are looking into it. you won't hear about that on almost any news station because it doesn't fit the narrative people want to push. steve: no kidding if it isn't about a college in russia where the trumps are involved they are not going to cover it i'm telling you right now. ainsley: it's true. christopher bedford, thanks for joining us this morning. >> thank you. steve: interesting stuff. democratic senator dic dick durn says health insurers are leaving the marketplace because president trump won the election? 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>> it's a big deal. janice: sharp knives. >> sharp knives. got toe natos. >> had some corn on the grill earlier. we charred really nice. we got really beautiful grilled corn. chilly anchili and chives. >> tell us about your restaurant. >> modern american restaurant. running a great special all summer. doing changing rustic family portion meals. if you come in and say you saw me on the show bottle of row say on me. say hi to me all summer long. janice: does that count for me. >> that counts for you. janice: this is mine. >> gonchali like bacon. you will love it crispy, delicious. janice: with bacon you can't go wrong. when do the shrimps come. >> in we want it to be nice and warm. play with it together. janice: don't you love this set? we have sand on the plaza. >> i have steak going and chicken. janice: oh my gosh, never too early for this surf and turf. this is technically surf and turf. >> anything from the ocean, anything from the land. i have four or five shrimps with the tomato corn. >> janice: talk about your book. all or nothing. >> get on amazon. it's a great read. talk about my struggles getting here. the things i have overcame. just that my passion for food has saved my life. janice: i'm very grateful you are here. i'm grateful you brought the food and this is one delicious shrimp. >> one delicious shrimp. janice: we'll be back with more on "fox & friends." stay with us. ♪ ♪ life is a highway ♪ ♪ if you could book a flight, then add a hotel, or car, or activity in one place and save, where would you go? 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[ buzzer ] brian: things like that. steve: having my baby. brian: accurate horoscopes as well. right on the money. steve: meanwhile, all eyes on the u.s. senate as republicans take one step closer to repealing and replacing obamacare. senate republicans hope. ainsley: president trump is optimistic about the overhaul despite both parties insisting that the vote needs to be delayed. brian: president not standing on the sideline. is he picking up the phone. peter doocy outside the white house with details on the healthcare showdown just between republicans, peter. >> right, and apparently president trump has been working the phones so hard to try to get republicans on board with this healthcare bill. that the senate majority whip john cornyn says they are trying to hold him back a little bit. but, cornyn also says president trump is very important in this process to get it across the finish line and president trump now says he basically thinks he has a little bit of a head start in flipping the five republicans on record as opposed to this g.o.p. healthcare draft because he has been building relationships with them since january. >> they are friends of mine. and i don't think they are that far off. i don't think they are that far off. famous last words, right? i think we are going to get there can't promise. i think we are going to get there. >> we learned this weekend the president isn't just dialing senators who are already opposed to the senate healthcare draft. is he calling to make sure republicans who haven't said much about the measure are comfortable as well. like alabama senator luther strange who got one of those calls. >> it was a great conversation. he encouraged me by his personal participation in dealing with not only me but all of my colleagues to try to find out how to address their problems. the legitimate issues here. but this is the legislative process. everybody has he a position. it's encouraging to have a president who is willing to work with us. >> with calls like that one and a tweet over the weekend about healthcare where president trump referred to very fine republican senators we are seeing that the approach he is taking a few days ahead of a wednesday procedural vote for this is a friendly one now we wait to see if that approach changes in the middle of the week if the numbers aren't there. back to you. steve: all right. hey, peter, before you go, is that pro-trump super pac still spend ago million dollars to remind that u.s. senator heller that he should change his mind? >> it looks like that is something that they are doing to try to send a message to heller and any other senators who might be thinking of coming out against their party's leadership that there is outside money that is going to go against senators that go against the president. brian: all right. ainsley: if people went to the polls peter, they went to the polls to the vote for this. people wanted repeal and replace. it's up to the senate and house leaders to get this done. many people are saying, you know what? push this through. let's make it work. whatever you disagree on, let's come to the table. let's discuss it. and let's figure out how we can pass it. steve: all right. peter. thank you very much for the live report. brian: i think senator cornyn made et most sense. it's not perfect and not exactly what i want. it's on the way to doing what we can get done with 52 votes maximum and you need 50 with the haven't who is going to vote. the question is are a lot of these senators saying i'm not willing to vote yet and looking to get something in the next week because they say this is a positioning paper to get starterred of towards amending it and negotiating with it. steve: and the idea is if mitch mcconnell has 50 votes on wednesday and right now they say maybe it's -- his team says it's probably 60% chance of it, if they have 50 votes on wednesday, they would start, then they developed a votorama they could have a vote before the fourt fourth of july. right now they don't have the votes. brian: as soon as ivanka interview was done. one minute later they had the up. they said mitch might put it forward even though though don't have the votes there is a sense he wants to get to the next thing. he says listen, this is the best i can do. if you aren't going to pass it i'm moving on to tax reform. ainsley: people went to the polls to vote for not only healthcare but going to the polls and voted for president trump. it's about jobs and wages and keeping our country safe and education. democrats didn't get on board with it and didn't get it right. they continued that narrative of russian collusion, corruption. some democrats are now saying you know what? this has got to stop. we are tired of the negative rhetoric. tired of you talking about russia because they are going out in their communities. have you congressman tim watts running for governor of minnesota. he said he went to 22 counties in his state, and they are all saying enough of russia. we want to talk about jobs and putting food on the table. brian: stay in washington you think people care about some story that can't be verified with unnamed sources about a russian story you can't follow. senator chuck schumer, majority leader, minority leader in the senate may have gotten the message. >> democrats need a strong, bold, sharp edged and common sense economic agenda. policy, platform, message. that appealed to the middle class that resonate with the middle class and show that -- and unite democrats. this economic message, platform is going to resonate. it's what we were missing. it's not going to be baby steps. it's going to be bold. when you lose an election, you don't blame other people. you blame yourself. brian: wow, that was a kick net teeth to hillary clinton two weeks ago. i made mistakes. that's not why i lost. steve: kick in th teeth to all e democrats they simply don't have a message. look at string at special election losses democrats put together, four straight, donald trump says he won the last five. you got to have a message. and when you look at and we had last week on this program mark penn who ran hillary's campaign a couple cycles ago. he gave as you preview the brand new harvard harris poll which shows this. 64% of this nation, people who responded, voters say that the russia investigation is hurting the country. over half say it is time to move on to other issues. meanwhile, 44% say that they should keep the focus on russia. 73% of those who responded said they are worried that the investigations are preventing congress from tackling important issues. in other words, when you turn on certain channels all you hear about is russia, russia, russia. if it is true that the democrats are going to shift the perspective over to jobs and stuff like that, if you are watching the russian channel you don't know anything is getting done in washington. maybe in fact nothing is getting done in washington. brian: 150% vote there mark penn i don't know how did he that 44%. ainsley: i think those were separate ones. brian: that's fantastic. just saying. i added that together and we have problems. steve: don't add them together. they are different polls. brian: i would think if senator schumer is actually sincere and wants to put together a plan that gets the middle class and working class back to work. he has a partner in the white house. president trump got elected from blue collar workers, not from los angeles. not from actors, not from billionaires. got elected by the middle america. steve: do you really think. do you think schumer wants to work with donald trump and get the credit for anything? don't yes or no answer. brian: bill clinton said i don't know if he ever agreed with newt gingrich. when he had ideas he took them over according to dick morris and called them his own. i'm not sure if there is something similar going on. president trump likes to get things done. however, until chuck schumer sees the polls that show that only way democrats can be successful is start working with the president, he probably won't start working with the president. steve: that's my point. it's not going to work right now. even though they are saying we want jobs. it's like the healthcare thing. brian: switch his tone already. steve: if they really wanted help with healthcare they would nbleg there right now trying to do something about. what do we do about medicaid and planned parenthood. all that stuff. instead going -- brian: they know what they want to do with that. ainsley: need to say russia, russia, russia. not working. they lost four special elections, they lost the senate. they lost the house. they lost the presidential race. now they are realizing america doesn't want this and finally getting on board and realizing when you go to the later of america what really are on the minds of americans. why are you laughing at me. brian: i knew ainsley was ready to toss she went. ainsley: i'm done talking. brian: i'm going to go bounce back and forth. ainsley: i feel comfortable with you guys. all are my peeps. steve: key is when the director takes camera one. ainsley: exactly. that's when they say ainsley, be quiet. jillian: you are feisty today, brian. i'm feeling it on a monday. brian: i can see the otto man pop out of the recliner. jillian: what happened over the weekend, brian, seriously, do tell. we need to get into this later. jillian: good morning. new two u.s. marines seriously burned in explosion while working on a fighter jet. the blast happening on the tarmac at mcaf miramar in san diego. they belong to a reserve squadron based out of texas but have not yet been identified. the cause of the blast is under investigation. is today the day? justice anthony kennedy calls it quits? speculation is growing at this hour. the 80-year-old justice will announce his retirement on the court's last day before summer recess. if he does throw in the towel, that would give president trump a second supreme court pick. the high court also expected to decide what action to take on president trump's travel ban. and the justices could weigh in on a separation of church and state case that deals with a missouri church playground excluded from a state grant program. this is heart breaking. 9 people dead, dozens are missing after a party boat packed with people suddenly sinks. the four story ship plunging under water in just a matter of minutes in colombia. time laps video shows rescuer rtses racing to the scene pulling 100 people from the water. unclear what cause the boat to sink. investigators say it appeared to be overloaded. buckets of pool water to battle a wildfire in southern california. the intense flames you can see right there all started by a car crash north of los angeles. the fire torching nearly 900 acres fed by dry brush, heat, and intense winds. no one though is hurt. that is the good news of the situation. steve: hot and dry out there. they need some rain. ainsley: that reminds me of the big skyscraper or apartment building in london. it was the mom that turned on her faucet and that saved her family. jill expwril keep everything moist in there. ainsley: second part of our exclusive interview with president trump. we wanted to know what it was like working in the skunks. what gave her goose bumps. brian: remember the granny going over the cliff with paul ryan? it's out. are republicans out to kill granny again? the doctor's in the house. ♪ bad medicine ♪ is what i need ♪ whoa ♪ your insurance company won't replace the full value of your totaled new car. the guy says you picked the wrong insurance plan. no, i picked the wrong insurance company. with liberty mutual new car replacement™, you won't have to worry about replacing your car because you'll get the full value back including depreciation. switch and you could save $782 on home and auto insurance. call for a free quote today. liberty stands with you™. liberty mutual insurance. steve: remember the tv ad that had republicans pushing granny over the cliff? well, it's back. are republicans really trying to kill off grandma with healthcare plan? here are the headlines from the "new york times." medicaid cuts may force retirees out of nursing homes. here to separate fact from fiction dr. nicole saphier. good morning to you. >> good morning. >> we have some questions and you will put them to rest. fact or fiction. first question, the senate healthcare bill as it stands this morning does not propose cuts to medicaid. is that fact or fiction? >> the black and white answer depends on who you ask. i'm going to say there will be cuts to medicaid. so this is fiction. you are not taking away realtime dollars however what you are going to see is the slowing of spending in the future. actually going to be doing the growth of medicaid more towards of the general consumer index as opposed to medicare, healthcare inflation. steve: sure. at thiwhat the republicans are talking about is it's a states issue. let's have the state governors in these various states figure out what to do with the medicaid money. >> if you will more responsibility. increase attacks. tighten requirements for coverage. what they are going to do we are not sure yet. steve: next question skilled nursing care would not be covered by medicare or medicaid? is that true or false. >> that's false. at this point federal law maintains that medicaid does cover nursing care facilities. what happens is medicare does not cover long-term nursing care. so, patients go in to the private payers until they deplete their funds. our populations are living longer. so what's happening is once they deplete their own funds, mid indicated kicks in the rest. now they are in the nursing home on medicaid dollars. every dollar intent on low income child, you are actually spending five on elderly population. a large amount of the medicaid money goes to the nursing home. steve: speaking of elderly, of the oldest people under 65 would pay five times more than younger people. younger patients. fact or fiction? >> that's true. that is a fact, sort of, in the sense. steve: fact sort of. >> fact sort of. that's politics these days. steve: yeah. >> they pay up to five times more. under the affordable care act capped at three times more under the senate healthcare five times more. it doesn't mean they are going to. it just that they may be. trying to get more healthy people into the marketplace to drive down the premiums which long-term may actually decrease those premiums. you may not be five times that being charged for the older population. steve: still a draft. who know what is will be in the final. final question real quickly. required to accept all applicants regardless of preexisting conditions. >> notorious preexisting conditions. weakest link in the bill. still remains, preexisting conditions will be required under the senate healthcare bill. steve: despite what you might hear on tv it's in there. >> it's in there. steve: thanks for making a studyee call today. second part of ainsley's exclusive interview with ivanka trump. she wanted to know what's it like working in the swamp. her answer why it gives her the goose bumps. and first it was shampoo and laptops. now the tsa could ban books from carry ons. walk, move and earn money... ...for out-of-pocket medical expenses. he's ok! unitedhealthcare ♪ ♪ (vo) you can pass down a subaru forester. 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tough luck. keep us safe. i don't care if you know what i'm reading. well, we told you earlier we sat down with ivanka. if you are just waking up, we were in washington last week. we sat down with the president and melania and ivanka to run our interview with ivanka today. she talks right now in this segment about her husband, about living in the swamp and about her faith. steve: she lives in the swamp? ainsley: in washington, d.c. watch. >> ivanka, welcome to washington. your dad calls it the swamp. what is go t. like to live in the swamp? >> well, it's 90 plus degrees today. so it's very swampy. particularly swampy this time of year. but, you know, i have actually -- it's been unbelievable journey. i have viewed my time in d.c. in addition to obviously the incredible work that the administration is doing that i feel so blessed to be contributing to. and a part of. but i have also viewed this as, you know, just an amazing experience in our own family's lives. so being able to come into the white house every day you can't help but feel goose bumps when you walk into this building. ainsley: what is it like to be able to say it's a very small club my father is president of the united states of america? >> it's really remarkable. i don't know if you everywhere -- if that ever feels like a completely normal experience. you know, every time i say that every time i think that i'm just in awe. i am incredibly proud of him. i am incredibly excited for the opportunity to be here and to help him accomplish his goals on behalf of the american people in any small way that i can. it is a remarkable thing. and when you think about in the context over this country's history very few people can say that about their parents. ainsley: what's it like working with jared? most people separate from their staff. and you hear when people retire the other one has to go get a job because being together you are not used to that you are with them 24/7 basically. what is that like? >> jared and i were both entrepreneurs prior to this. and we got a little bit of a sample of working collectively during the course of the campaign because jared was very, very involved. so, i would come around the corner at trump tower and i would bump into my husband which was unbelievable surprise and always welcome. sos that watt real first experience of working collectively with one another. this is really exciting extension of that and now i get to see him every day which is amazing. ainsley: as someone whose faith is important to him. i know you converted. what made you want to do that? >> it's a it's a very personal decision. i tend to not talk about my faith too openly. one of the things in my life that is truly my own especially these days. but, you know, i think for me, religion serves as a great reminder of what's important, a great reminder of core values. it helps me connect with my children. it helps us connect as a family. and really create a framework for how we want to live our lives. ainsley: i see you post pictures on social media with your family. cooking, recently in the navy museum with your children, so cute. what do your children -- do they understand they grasp their grandfather is the president of the united states. do they understand that? and what is it like from a working mom's perspective? >> they do understand that in a limited capacity. they call air force one the candy plane because there is lots of m&ms and trays of candy. so they always exits the plane a lot more hyperand on sugar high. it's almost no controlling it. but, you know, it's a surreal and remarkable experience and i really hope that they will be able to look back and reflect even on these very early years with such gratitude for having been able to be part of this unique experience. steve: call it air force fun if it's the candy plane. ainsley: how cute is that story? the candy plane. brian: i think those kids, the i think the one fear among wealthy people their kids are not going to grow up as hungry as them. they are going to grow up so patriotic. around red, white and blue 24 hours a day. one thing they wouldn't have gotten in new york city. ainsley: show you more tomorrow. she talked about cooking together as a family. that's one of their favorite past time. who does the cooking and who does the cleaning? she is trying to keep it normal. a privilege to bring the kids to the white house. they know it's a privilege and honor to come here to see their grandfather. brian: most americans order out. they say single people in america five times a week are ordering out. ainsley: really? steve: single? brian: actually, we got this, i can't say, what but we got these people we order this thing where we coc we cook ours? not blue apron something like blue apron in a box. it saves money and gets everyone doing it it's fantastic. that's almost a typical now to cook as a family. ainsley: it is. you should sit around with your family a few times a week and have a great family discussion and talk about your kid's day. big proponent of that. brian: good luck with that. steve: good interview with ivanka. ainsley: great. steve: democrats have a new theory for obamacare's collapse. insurance dropping like fly because they don't like president trump. kellyanne conway will be joining us from the lawn of the white house. brian: who knew get fired for saying this. >> boohoo, you white people are angry because you couldn't use your white privilege card. >> woe, woe, lisa, to get invited into the black lives matter all black memorial day celebration. choicehotels.com. badda book. badda boom. that's it? 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[whistling] steve: let's go down to the north lawn of the white house and the counselor to president johdonald trump. kellyanne conway. i have a question for you. scuttle but there is a possibility that justice anthony kelly announcing is he retiring today. what's the latest on that. >> we cannot speculate on that. that is totally justice kennedy's decision. he has served with 30 years with distinction on the court. i that is his decision. i know the president when he appointed neil gorsuch made clear at any time when he gets a federal aappointmentment, whether it's at the supreme court level or the district court, the circuit courts, that he will appoint people, nominate people who have fidelity to the constitution. don't just legislate from the bench, make it up as they go along. as judge neil gorsuch, men and women if i were judicial temperament and credentials. people should be able to attract more than a handful. that he decision is up to justice kennedy not for us to speculate. steve: sure. our question would be if there is an opening on the supreme court, would the president's nominee be one of the names on the list that he had come up with, with the help of some of those groups before the election? >> he has said that he will look at the list again and again and ended up being 21 men or women. all fine judicial scholars and practitioners. and we saw the process really with justice gorsuch. i don't want this tied to justice kennedy or any one member because these are lifetime appointments. i think the whole process with justice gorsuch so telling it happened early in the administration. you saw voted for neil gorsuch when he was confirmed to a circuit turn around and what was different about neil gorsuch in the 10 year interval between getting on the tenth circuit and the united states supreme court. he had 10 years more experience as distinguished jurist. yet they were blinded bipartisanship and obstruction. we can't have that. particularly when you look lower than the united states supreme court and you see dozens and dozens, close to 100 vacancies in these courts that this president began with and that he intends to fully nominate. ainsley: kellyanne this week big deal for healthcare, obamacare overhaul in the senate. you need 50 votes from senators. no democrat is going to support this. five republicans say they are not going to support it. many saying too many cuts to medicaid. you, yesterday, on the sunday shows saying that is not true. no cuts. now if you watch the mainstream media this morning. they are saying that you were caught in a lie. so, let's let you set the record straight. what's your reaction to that? >> it's not a lie. in fact, this is slowing the growth of medicaid and allowing governors more flexibility in their states to be able to give the dollars out as they -- because they are closest to the people in need. also, medicaid continues to be funded. medicaid over time would be unsustainable and unaffordable because obamacare failed to bring the costs down foyer healthcare, so the states are having very difficult time meeting the bills. medicaid is intended for the poor, the needy, and the sick. what it's done under obamacare it's expanded the medicaid pool of people who, quote, qualified beyond that so, if you have an able bodied american not poor, sick, needy. we are not talking about the elderly, the children, the pregnant women, the disabled. if you are able-body and you would like to go and find employment and employer sponsored benefits then you should be able to do that. maybe you belong as secretary price has made clear maybe you belong in other places. i'm not going to allow people and detractors and trump hater tofs call me a liar because they don't want to do the homework and look at what is actually happening to medicaid. medicaid also is to keep it sustainable long term, this has to happen. and there are so many other protection fls this healthcare bill for those in need. the fact is, let's remember why we are doing. this obamacare is unaffordable. unsustainable. 20 million people just last year folks opted out of obamacare. 6.5 million freeferred pay $3 billion in taxes to the irs. you know what they could have done with that money? bought healthcare through the market. we have 83 insurers have left the exchanges just last year with two dozen more promising to do so in 2018. it's collapsing. it has benefited some americans. millions of others who were left out of the process. brian: i want to you to hear senator durbin who he blames for insurers dropping out. listen. >> when you go to the insurance company executives and say why are you pulling out of markets? why are you raising premiums? they say out uncertainty in washington since the arrival of president trump who from his first executive order has been undermining health insurance and the affordable care act. brian: so have you a response? >> yes. what is senator durbin doing? what are any of the democrats doing to improve healthcare in our country? how can he deny that millions of americans have opted out of obamacare, have preferred to fork over their hard earned money in taxes and penalties rather than be part of this system? how can he deny that 83 insurers have left the market with dozens more promising to do so? how can he deny that this is unaffordable, unsustainable process? look, this is to improve healthcare, make it more free market, more patient centric. to give people choice. obamacare has robbed people of choices. five states 1/3 of our counties in this country have one provider that's not a choice and also the premiums exploded, look, the premiums exploded by more than 100 percent. premiums supposed to come down and more than doubled in places. i want to say also that the cbo projected 23 to 24 million people would be on obamacare there are 10 million. none of this has panned out. brian: pat toomey said this is just the first step. they have go to go back and forth all week. big picture though, chuck schumer yesterday said if this fails he says 50/50 he hopes republicans come and work with democrats for a plan they can all agree on. what's your response to that as spokesperson for the president? >> i have talked to senator schumer directly it would be great to get democrats to the table. we don't see it in fact, their whole motto is obstruct, resist. have you four democratic candidates all losers in these special elections. all of whom at some level were looking to fortify obamacare. have you 113 democratic members in the house right now who have implicitly said obamacare is not working because they are sponsoring -- they support bernie sanders bill which would cost trillions and trillions of dollars and move us into single payer. they themselves do not like obamacare. tax reform on neil gorsuch on infrastructure. we welcome that completely. where are they? the president has made very, very clear that he is the president of all americans. but those democrats who represent people are not helping those folks. brian: kellyanne, thanks so much. >> thank you for having me. brian: when we come back, phil mickelson he is lefty and good. and we don't want something like meningitis b getting in their way. meningococcal group b disease, or meningitis b, is real. bexsero is a vaccine to help prevent meningitis b in 10 to 25 year olds. even if meningitis b is uncommon, that's not a chance we're willing to take. meningitis b is different from the meningitis most teens were probably vaccinated against when younger. we're getting the word out against meningitis b. our teens are getting bexsero. bexsero should not be given if you had a severe allergic reaction after a previous dose. most common side effects are pain, redness or hardness at the injection site; muscle pain; fatigue; headache; nausea; and joint pain. bexsero may not protect all individuals. tell your healthcare professional if you're pregnant or if you have received any other meningitis b vaccines. ask your healthcare professional about the risks and benefits of bexsero and if vaccination with bexsero is right for your teen. moms, we can't wait. ♪ ainsley: two college professors headed to the back of the class this morning. steve: one of those professors fired over making racially insensitive comments. the other for targeting otto warmbier. brian: here with brand new details is co-host "fox & friends" rob schmitt. hey rob. >> serve as reminder to watch your mouth in certain situations. we begin with lisa durbin a black professor in new jersey. she came on tucker carlson show this month to defend black lives matter event that banned white people. many said it was racist move by a group claiming to be fighting racism. >> boohoo wh hooh. you white people are angry because you couldn't use your white privilege card. >> who, who, lisa, to get invited to the black lives matter all black memorial day celebration. this particular day, they said stay your asses out. we want to celebrate today. we don't want anybody going against us today. >> you can't celebrate if someone that doesn't look like you is around. >> yes, you can. >> you are commented and sick. and what you are say something disgusting. if you were nazi i would say the same thing to you. >> adjunct professor at essex county college teaching pop culture and communications. she was fired days later. the school saying racism cannot be fought with more racism. she has lawyered up saying her free speech rights have been violated. second story has to do with otto warmbier man who died last week after being released from north korea. doctors say warmbier may have been beaten by members raft jet stream in vegetative state held in prison more for monday that year for stealing propaganda banner. warmbier confessing in tears during his supposed trial broke the hearts of americans and angered many. another adjunct professor anthropology professor at the university of delaware wall street on facebook that warmbier got what he deserved quote catherine detweiler writing he went to north korea and acted like a spoiled naive arrogant college student who had never had to face the consequences of his actions. i see him crying at his sentencing hearing and think "what did you expect?" comments have been pouring in to us this morning. people, i think a lot of the people saying these two professors got what they deserved. steve: take a look at them. t.f. posts i don't usually like people being fired for things but this woman does not need to be teaching our youth. seems she has a mean heart. ainsley: and dutches says terrifying to think how they conduct themselves in the classroom with no one watching. parents and students deserve better. brian: according to larry preaching hate has no place in society enough said for him. that's some the feedback we are getting from college professors unhinged. there should be a quiet time because school is out. steve: let's see if they get rehired somewhere. rob: that will be the question. brian: rob, you are a big golfer, right? 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wonderful? >> we are using the proceeds from the kpmg women's championship and from a great donation from phil and amy mickelson. provides scholarships for seniors in high school headed off to college. not about the money. spend three days with condoleezza rice and her team at stanford university. brian: who loves golf, too. >> these girls are introduced to golf while they are out at stanford. they also have mentoring. so we do a women's leadership summit at the golf tournament and these women, young women are mentored by these other women who are very successful at business. it's a great program. steve: phil, my daughter did not learn how to play golf until the last six months and she now is in business. she wants to learn how to play golf because it's great, you know, just as men for historically have played golf and gotten a lot done out on the golf courses. a lot of the women hope to do the same thing. >> yes. it's really special how kpng partnered with america great contact in helping to grow the game with all these young kids. this tournament in chicago, the women's pga championship that kpmg is involved with is bringing out a lot of young girls and also this future leaders program is showing them that it's not just a professional golfer's career that golf can help with you but also like you are talking about building relationships in business. jillian just started two years ago. jillian: yep. >> she is realizing that the time spent on the golf course helps you develop and better understand your clients and your business partners through those four or five hours in a fun environment. ainsley: i have got to go play golf because more deals are done on the golf course. >> you want to go, too. >> that's right. brian: free lessons? 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>> i think he's doing an amazing job. it's a really hard job, and it's much easier to criticize than it is to actually dive in. ♪ ♪ ♪ steve: ed sheeran. ainsley: he sings the best songs. brian: in touch with his emotions. ainsley: you have a good way to sell music. brian: i'm just saying. i watched him do a couple of interviews. very into himself. ainsley: are you into music? oh, you discovered florida georgia line. that's right. had them on the show, and then they became famous. brian: that's right. i'm going to have them on wednesday's show. ainsley: did you say to them i give them credit. brian: i cannot give anything away from my interview. i'm going to do the same thing to you. ainsley: i'll be sure to come to work. brian: right. for a change. ainsley: all eyes on the senate today as republicans take one step closer to repealing and repealing obamacare. steve: their version of it, at least. president trump optimistic of it all, besides both parties don't do it this week. brian: and the price tag for this senate republican health care draft could come as soon as today, and how many people could gain coverage or lose coverage could really help or really hurt its chances of passing in the senate. and right now, it could really use the help because in addition to the five gop senators already on the record as against this draft, there are others who are not ready to say where they stand yet, including main senator susan collins who wants to see how the cbo analysis squares with her concerns with the bill. so president trump is working the phones, calling in favors with republicans that he's been building relationships with. trump: they're friends of mine, and i don't think they're that far off. i don't think they're that far off. famous last words; right? but i think we do get there. can't promise. i think we do get there. >> and's pitch has been so aggressive that senate majority leader says this: we're going to hold them back a little bit. he's going to be important in the process. and that process includes editing the draft until they got the votes. . >> i worked with every one of them, all of them are committed to a change away from obamacare and into senate government control and local control and patient-making decisions. we're going to continue to work with each of them through the process. every one of them has very good points that they're making. i want to work with all of them. >> and unless something changes, senator says there should be a proceedial vote to start moving this health care bill through the senate on wednesday. back to you. steve: that is if he's got 50 votes. all right. peter ducey, on the north lawn of the white house. thank you very much. it all seems to come down to the question of medicaid. because if it is too generous, the bill would probably lose the most conservative of republicans. whereas if it's too lean, lose moderates. that's what it comes down. brian: right and a lot of it has to take shape yet. and as i said, this is a positioning paper that went out over the weekend. so i'm surprised there's this few people who put their arm in the sand saying they're not going to vote for it. the problem is that they can't have a clean repeal and replace because they don't -- unlike president obama -- he had 60 votes for a blink of an eye until senator scott brown won ted kennedy's seat, and this president does not. so therefore they have to write this bill in a way that doesn't need 60 votes, so they can just amend it. so therefore they don't have a clean repeal and replace. where i think they have to explain to people what the health& human services what they can possibly work out in reconciliation after both the house and the senate get their plans to if they get to that moment. they have to get to that moment. ainsley: there are several republicans that are questioning it. but there are five that said they're definitely not supporting it. steve: at this point. ainsley: at this point. the president needs to convince three of them to change their minds. or mitch mcconnell does. brian: there's a lot of people, ainsley, that have said said either way. the number could be bigger. ainsley: uh-huh. steve: it looks like right now the "nos" could be as high as ten on the republican side. meanwhile, we had kellyanne conway on the program just about half an hour ago, and she was talking about it's all about medicaid. listen to this. >> medicaid continues to be defunded. medicaid over time would be unsustainable and unaffordable because obamacare failed to bring the cost down for health care. so these states are having a very difficult time meeting the bills. medicaid also is to keep it sustainable long-term, this has to happen, and there are other -- there are so many other protections in this health care bill for those in need. the fact is let's remember why we're doing this. obamacare sun affordable, unsustainable, this is to improve health care to make it more free market, more patient centric, to give people more choices. obamacare has robbed people of choices. brian: i'm just not clear what it's doing for the personal market. i mean, are we now going to have exchanges where these companies feel okay about staying in or getting back in? i don't hear us atalking at all about the personal market. and also about the pharmaceutical cost. and just about no one agrees that premiums will go down with this. so if you don't get drug prices down, if you don't get premiums down, it's hard to understand why people would run to this. steve: because as we have seen, it has been bad for a number of people because it has been so expensive with the premiums and deductibles and everything else, and it's bad for small businesses, and that's why this plan gets rid of the employer mandate, employee mandate, where does it go? stay tuned because this could be the week. brian: and they hope to have one trillion in tax cuts over ten years if they're able to reform this plan. and that money will go back into the system and hopefully make it a more efficient market. ainsley: they have to come up with some system because obamacare is collapsing, and there's going to be people left without insurance. brian: it's been a burden on business. steve: well, i tell you what? at least for today, we don't know what they're doing on the other channels, we're talking about health care. although, on some of the other channels, they could be talking about russia. because certain channels they're going to be talking about trump and russia. brian: but i will say the washington post had a blockbuster story how president obama let the whole thing drop during his reign, and no one was paying attention to it. and they went forensically through all the opportunities he had to real this in and punish byu vladimir putin apparently was directly involved, and they knew as early as august, did the president, and they did almost nothing. ainsley: president trump did that you be with pete in that exclusive interview and addressed that. steve: right. ainsley: but people in middle america, they're sick of russia. even the democrats are starting to say that now. look at these polls. this was the voter's opinion on russia on the investigations. 64% of you say it is hurting the country. steve: 66% of you say it's time to move on to other issues that impact them like jobs and money and stuff like that. 44% say focus should stay on russia. but 73% of the americans polls say that they're worried that the investigations are preventing congress from doing stuff that impacts their lives. they're sick and tired of seeing all of these people in washington, d.c. keep in mind, the investigation with the fbi has been going on for over a indoor. we haven't seen any of collusion. yet still talking about it. ainsley: what.com constituents want? because we didn't win the white house or the. we have governor of minnesota toured 22 counties in his state, and they're all saying we care about the bread and butter. we care about the economy pitting food on our table. brian: and nancy pelosi 77 years old trying to hold onto the leadership of her party to the detriment of her party. maybe chuck schumer and others said we have to change gears. listen. >> democrats need a strong, bold, sharp-edged and common sense economic agenda. policy, platform, message that appeal to the middle class, that resonate with the middle class, and show that -- and unity democrats. this economic message platform is going to resonate. it's what we were missing, and it's not going to be baby steps. it's going to be both. when you lose an election, you lose yourself. ainsley: was that a message to hillary? steve: or a message to georgia. is what he said what they're going to do or just a sound byte after the special election that they lost? brian: they paid up to $200,000 per voter to try to win that seat, and they lost it by a lot. and maybe he sees a problem with that. if he is sincere, he'll have a partner in the white house because this president wants that blue-collar and middle class. ainsley: i won't even charge the democratic party for this opinion. if you're going to put someone up, make sure he lives in the district. that didn't look good. brian: can't even vote for himself. steve: if chuck schumer really meant what he said, he would have called the president of the united states on wednesday. he did not. brian: right. steve: he would have called mitch mcconnell and said let's do something. ainsley: we'll work it out. brian: maybe he's on's list. steve: sounds like just a sound byte. jillian has sound bytes and headlines. >> yes, i do. good morning, guys. we begin with a fox news alert. two u.s. marines are seriously burned after a fighter jet explodes on the tar pack. it happening in san diego. both marines rushed to the hospital for treatment. based out of texas. not yet been identified and the blast is under investigation. well, justice anthony kennedy calls it quits. the speculation is growing at this hour. the 80-year-old justice will announce his retirement on the court's last day before summer recess. if he does throw in the towel, that would give president trump a second supreme court pick. the high court also expected to decide what action to take on president trump's travel ban. and the justices could weigh in on a separation of church and state case, the deals of a missouri church playground excluded from a state grant program. stay where you are because in just a few minutes, shannon will join us to weigh in on that. and american tourist is back in the u.s. in serious condition after being shot and robbed. kevin from alabama on vacation with his family when he was attacked at a luxury are resort. he's now at a florida hospital undergoing several surgeries. the person who shot him is still on the run. and tim tebow is making a run on the baseball field. the new york mets making him a high class facilitate. leading the fireflies with 23 home runs and rbis. he should have a warm welcome where he led the university of florida to two national football championships. so certainly a fun story to follow the tebow story. i don't know if you're into it. ainsley: yes, because he's leading my hometown of south carolina. please, go over to my parents' house for dinner. they keep asking him. will you call to him come over? my mom is a great cook. chicken devan is probably the best. brian: what is that? chicken in a van? ainsley: seriously? brian: what is that? ainsley: chicken devan? you've never heard of it? mom, can you make something for brian, please? brian: what is it? ainsley: it's chicken and broccoli and what's that soup? cream of a mushroom soup. brian: so it comes in a can. ainsley: no. no. my mom does everything from scratch. my mom is coming up in a few weeks. i'll get her to make you some. steve: all right. meanwhile, straight ahead -- this is not the food network. she's a traitor who leaked classified secrets and put lives at risk and yet chelsea manning emerged to cheers yesterday. brian: that's supposed to be paul ryan, by the way. so are republicans really going to kill granny? stuart varney will find. ainsley: stuart, he thinks it's chicken in a van? howl whimper yap yap yap yip is your dog trying to tell you something? allergic itch in dogs is a medical condition that's more common and treatable than you think. that's why there's prescription apoquel: the revolutionary medicine that's giving millions of dogs the relief they deserve. apoquel goes to the source of the itch to provide relief in as little as 4 hours. woof and apoquel is safe without many of the side effects associated with the use of steroids. apoquel is for the control of itch associated with allergic dermatitis and the control of atopic dermatitis in dogs. do not use apoquel in dogs less than 12 months old or those with serious infections. apoquel may increase the chance of developing serious infections and may cause existing parasitic skin infestations or pre-existing cancers to worsen. do not use in breeding, pregnant, or lactating dogs. most common side effects are vomiting and diarrhea. don't wait. ask your veterinarian about apoquel today. apoquel. it's itch relief worth barking about. bark >> if president trump keeps listening to paul ryan, we'll all be on the streets. or something even worse. ainsley: so bad. steve: there went grandma. >> just wrong. ainsley: the ad that claims gop is only passing health care to kill your granny. do republicans really want granny dead? steve: that's from a couple of years ago but the topic is pertinent. joining us now the host of "varney & company." >> no, this is new. steve: this is new? >> yeah, they updated that to show president trump responsible of killing granny. it's more violent imagery chucked into the debate on obamacare reform. and that's what we've got facing us as of now. brian: they make it a cartoon, but it's so serious. and that's why when you -- we have a week to get something done, and i think mitch mcconnell is going to make it a vote. why do they do this? why do they think it's effective? >> i don't think the democrats want to see any part of president obama's legacy rolled back, and that's exactly what you're seeing. brian: they ran from it. not one candidate got elected on obamacare. >> brian, i'm not going to argue with you on that one. going to say how are we going to fix what we made? the stock market has gone straight up since the election and the inauguration. will those gains hold if we vote "no" on obamacare reform at the end of this week? in my opinion, they'll hold up but the rally will pause. if we get a no vote at the end of this week that obamacare taxes stay in place, restrictions on hiring stay in place, the republican party will show that really cannot govern as we wanted it to govern, and that's a negative for everybody. but will the stock market come down? my answer is, no, it will not come down. it will plateau. the gains will hold at these levels. that's. steve: but what about for small businesses? under the plan of get rid of the mandates that small businesses and employees have to buy this stuff. >> if they vote "no." at the end of this week, they vote "no," and we're still stuck with obamacare, that really is a big negative for our economy, and i think it's a negative for the stock market. but us you see, profits are still so strong, that's keeping the market up where it is. brian: remember, stuart varney, the house vote failed, and they thought the world was coming to an end. so it could be delay, not database deny. >> remember this, brian kilmeade. if there's an interruption in the president's growth agenda, and it really stops it cold, then you will see stocks come down. brian: i will remember that, stuart varney. stuart: thank you very much, brian kilmeade. steve: stuart varney, thank you very much for joining us over here on the van. brian: let me tell you what's coming up straight ahead, the white house new rules to the press core like you can only ask one question if you point your camera at the wall. i joined the army in july of '98. i did active duty 11 years. and two in the reserves. our 18 year old was in an accident. when i call usaa it was that voice asking me, "is your daughter ok?" that's where i felt relief. it actually helped to know that somebody else cared and wanted make sure that i was okay. that was really great. we're the rivera family, and we will be with usaa for life. usaa. we know what it means to serve. call today to talk about your insurance needs. tthat's why at comcast,t to be connected 24/7. we're always working to make our services more reliable. with technology that can update itself. and advanced fiber network infrastructure. new, more reliable equipment for your home. and a new culture built around customer service. it all adds up to our most reliable network ever. one that keeps you connected to what matters most. ainsley: here are quick headlines for you today. a federal judge will hear new arguments about texas state law to punish sanctuary cities. the law takes effect on september 1st and threatens criminal charges if federal immigration laws are not followed. groups and cities are challenging it calling it unconstitutional. and the convicted traitor who put lives at risk by handing over top secret documents to wikileaks had cheers. meanwhile, nikki haley and her son were harassed by some of those parade goers. the u.s. ambassador taking to the un saying quote me and my son were booed saying hateful things as we left the pride parade. our country is better than this. #hateneverwins. brian. brian: all right. unbelievable. meanwhile, the white house experimenting with new rules for the press core like you can only ask one question if you point your camera at the wall. the president of the white house components association wants that changed to more on camera briefings. he claims it's the best thing for your country. . >> we represent the american people and we're doing our constitutional jobs of journal i am of. and of course the white house was elected by the american people. i'm not in a tug-of-war but what we're advocating for is the constitution and the protections provided by that. brian: so does this move by the white house mean less transparency or is it not a big deal? let's join a fair and balanced debate right now. he's a white house correspondent for the daily caller and todd gilman's here, he's with the dallas morning news and member of the white house components association. and let's start with you, todd. todd, are you upset by the new rules? >> well, absolutely. and it's not so much rules as practice. they have day by day scaled back on the number of on carpal tunnel briefings. this is severely curtailing the opportunity of tv networks, radio networks, and even other types of media, which like to use the audio to question senior officials and hold them to account. viewers and voters need to be able to judge the credibility of the people running the government and the only way they can do that is to see them and hear them. brian: alex, do you feel as though your reporting is going to be hamstrung now? >> i mean, we still get to read what sean spicer or sarah huckabee sanders say at the briefings. they're still on the record in these offcamera briefings. just for 30 minutes, we can't hear them, people can still live tweet out what's happening. i think people are hurt. most briefings are newscasters that want to get a nice tv clip. but most get to see or hear what they say. brian: todd, it's pretty clear how we got to this point. it doesn't seem that this administration is being treated like the previous. i'm not saying there was never tension before. there always seems to be a little bit. but don't you think it seems sometimes 90% over the top? >> i've been covering the white house off and on since george w. bush. there's always tension. what's going on now curtailing these briefings is not to cut back the temperature or the grandstanding, it's to reduce the opportunity of much of the press core to do their job properly. i think the founders would find it extraordinary to say the first amendment is okay for you precinct guys -- and i am a print guy. they would find it not okay to say it's okay for the print people to have their opportunity to get the words but not for broadcasters. how many people only pay attention to words? or elections are politics are driven largely by broadcast media. brian: so rather than you say sean spicer told me tooled, you [indiscernible] sean spicer say it? >> i rather have the voters and citizenry judge for themselves rather than khan or anybody else behind the podium is credible where they ask questions and they say we don't know or having bothered asked the president why comey was fired or for tapes. they should know what is being done in their name. brian: alex. now, we also see what cnn did. they have actually sketch artists out there, kind of like the courtroom situations. do you feel they brought it on themselves? i've watched a ton of these briefings, and i've never seen it so consense. >> well, this brought some bipartisan agreement here. sean spicer told laura ingram in a radio interview on tuesday that he doesn't like the on camera briefings because he thinks reporters and snarky questions and get clips. and now bill clinton's former press secretary mike curry who started the live televised that he regrets the decision. he doesn't think they should be carried live unless, you know, there's big news event, and he has the same reasoning as sean. he thinks people are there asking the same question just to get a nice tv clip. and going to what todd said about the american people watch broadcast news, that's true. but it's not like cnn or fox news doesn't cover the president's comments as he says them to the ap. i don't think would be attacked if he did a string of ten interviews in a row. so just for 30 minutes at a time, broadcast coverage of press briefings is a little bit hurt, but i don't see how that's damaging the american public. things are changing. alex and todd, thank you so much. >> thanks. brian: straight ahead, more of ainsley's exclusive interview with ivanka trump. it turns out she and her father don't always agree. plus, she was fired for saying this on tucker carlson show. >> you white people are angry because you couldn't use your white privilege card to get invited to the black lives matter celebration. brian: your comments are pouring in. we will share them because that's what we do. we share. we're very nice about sharing. this is a story about mail and packages. and it's also a story about people and while we make more e-commerce deliveries to homes than anyone else in the country, we never forget... that your business is our business the united states postal service. priority: you [ rock music playing ] have fun with your replaced windows. run away! 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brian: credit cards. steve: we're exporting beef; right? what are you looking at? the cameraman? brian: started mocking me in the middle of my conversation. ainsley: also we sat down with the president and the first lady, saw that with fox and friends on friday. also had had privilege to sit down and speak to the president's father talking about everything from her family to working in her father's administration. take a look. >> you are an adviser of the president of the united states. what do you advice your father on? >> i advise my father on a plethora of things. he trusts me to make candid visions. i don't have a hidden agenda. i am very clear. so give him my open and candid feedback. sometimes we agree. sometimes we disagree. ainsley: what do you disagree on? >> we're different people. there are areas we disagree and -- ainsley: would you think he respects? >> yes. this is a very interesting thing why i disagree with my father. so i never actually spoke with them, and i didn't know about the article being written until it was published, but it's written in first person, which is a slightly misleading headline. but, no, i think it's normal to not have 100% aligned points on every issue. i think that would be a very strange scenario, and i don't think anyone operates like that with a parent or within the context of an administration. and i think different viewpoints at the table is a positive thing, and i think one of the things that in this country we don't have enough substantive dialogue for people who have different opinions can speak candidly. ainsley: many ceos of tech companies didn't vote for him but still want to hear their opinions. and the left saying he's not doing a good job. what's your thoughts? >> there's a extremism emphasis of what you're against. and there's areas where there's total alignment. and i'm more for being for something than against something. so naturally, there are areas where there's disagreement where there are two different human beings. so i instead like to focus on areas where i can add positive value, where i can contribute to the agenda. policy around workforce development, about ensuring, policies that enable that family to attorney-client privilege, on how to focus on our veterans and deliver them the care that they so need, focusing on issues to the really devastating opioid problem that we have in this country. ainsley: what do you advise him to tweeting? >> i try to stay out of politics. his political instincts are polynomial. ainsley: he won. >> he did something no one thought he would accomplish. i stand blessed to be part of the ride from day one and before. but he did something pretty remarkable. but i don't profess to be a political savant, so i lead it to other people. ainsley: what grade do you give your dad? >> i think he's doing an amazing job. i think he's dong i an unbelievable job. you know, when you think about the security of this country, when you think about the policies put in place to the american worker, when you see what's happening in the stock market, it's just thriving. small business owners across this country feel a renewed sense of optimism and spirit. so it's a really hard job, and they're all with naysayers, and it's much easier to criticize than it is to dive in and effect change and move the ball forward. ainsley: that's grad great. so what's the grade? >> oh, an a. i'm slightly bias, but definitely an a. steve: and that's what you would expect father to give daughter. brian: but he gave himself a c a high mark but a c on communications. steve: that's exactly right. what have you done so far? a but c on the message on how it got out and now, you know. ainsley: i wonder what he would say now. because we interviewed him together -- steve: a couple of weeks after the inauguration. ainsley: after he won. yeah. tomorrow, we're going to show you the rest of that as she's walking through the rose garden. because it's funny we're going through the rose garden, and we see her dad, and i can see him doing this in the red tie. >> good morning to you guys, good morning to you at home. a pilot asking passengers to pray after a plane starts shaking like a washing machine. it's 30,000 feet in the air. take a look at this video. seats and tray tables vibrating uncontrollably for nearly two hours. the air asia flight from australia to forced to turn around. the pilot telling passengers quote please listen and pay attention to everything. our survival depends on you cooperating and hopefully levering turn out for the best. now, once the plane landed safely, a passenger telling fox news the pilot made sure to shake every single person's hands thanking them for their prayers. blamed it on a technical failure and offered $20 failure. ethics in new jersey depending its move to fire a professor over her racially-charged comments in a face off with tucker carlson. >> you white people are angry because you couldn't use your white privilege card to be invited to the black lives matter all black memorial day celebration. >> you can't celebrate if someone who doesn't look like you is around? >> well, at least now vowing legal action against the college. and this professor, katherine is now stripped of her adjunct position at the university of delaware. this follows a series of hateful comments for otto warmbier. the american student who died after being detained in north korea. one of those comments reading quote he got exactly what he deserved. that is -- it's tough to read and tough to hear. it's definitely harsh. i'll send it back to you guys. steve: and those comments were after he died, which is extraordinary. >> yeah. steve: jillian, thank you so much. meanwhile, the rumors around the supreme court is justice kennedy ready to hang up his robe for good? she joins us live from dc coming up next what's the story behind green mountain coffee and fair trade? let's take a flight to colombia. this is boris calvo. boris grows mind-blowing coffee. and because we pay him a fair price, he improves his farm and invest in his community to make even better coffee. all for a smoother tasting cup. green mountain coffee. so when i need to book a hotel to me tharoom,vacation. i want someone that makes it easy to find what i want. booking.com gets it, with great summer deals up to 40% off. visit booking.com. booking.yeah! ainsley: rumors swirling in washington. is supreme court justice anthony kennedy going to retire? cardio some of his former law clerks, an announcement could come as early as today. brian: who better to ask than our chief legal correspondent and her office is right next to mine, shannon. hey, shannon, this for you is your nfc championship game. not your super bowl. this is exciting. >> it really is because this is the final day of the term. so we get all the remaining opinions left. there's a couple we really have our eye on. there's six left, but that's being overshade owed by the fact that it's possible. justice anthony kennedy could retire. he was 80 last month. took the bench at 88 the senior most justice right now. he has been critical you know in so many cases. he is the swing vote. so a lot of people think is he ready to give up that power? really one of the most powerful people in the united states of america because of that swing vote. he's often a critical one in these 5-4 decisions on so many landmark issues. steve: and some of the speculation fueled by the fact that apparently a number of his former law clerks were going to have a get together renune in the future. but they decided to do it i think yesterday or the day before, which was, like, oh, he's going to tell them. he's going to call it quits. >> yeah. we're always trying to read. they've been doing these clerk reunions every five years. so this time instead of 2018, which would have been a fifth year, they moved it back a year. they say because they want to do it in celebration of his 80th birthday. that's an explanation. here's a couple of clues. a get together with the clerks last night. he did not make any big announcement about retiring, so a lot of people read it different ways, but he was looking towards the future, he was talking about things that would keep him on the bench. he has hired his full complement of clerks through the next term and even one for the 2018 term. so you never know. sometimes you do that just to keep people. or if you haven't made up your own mind anyway. so he could get there on the bench and say i feel good, i'm going to take off from my teaching assignment, i do every summer. ainsley: even this week, shannon, it will be interesting to see, though, if he's already talking about retiring and let's day, say, president trump he's reelected. brian: he might not want to wait. he might not want to risk it. >> what do you mean? brian: he might want to do it within the four. ainsley: well, i say he's probably going to do it over the course of president trump being in office. so he'll definitely appoint a conservative. >> yeah. a lot of people think he may do next year, justice kennedy. because justice gorsuch was his clerk. so this is a first time ever that a former justice and clerk are serving together. so a lot of people think that they want to do this year together and justice kennedy would be more situated to go next year. brian: what are you doing on america's newsroom? >> we could hear something on the travel ban today, as you know it's depending before the supreme court too. so we could hear about that at 9:30 when they put their orders out. and what's the road to trying to get it done? what are the roadblocks along the way? we have judge napolitano, many others with us. it's going to be a great time. you should join us. ainsley: we'll be watching. >> thank you. ainsley: thank you, shannon. coming up next we're going to help you turn your backyard party into the must have item of the season. plus, something you're going to want to do next. brian: something about aruba. steve: all right. we're back on the beach. kind of. in front of our building. so if you want to make your next summertime party something memorable, our next guest has the perfect advice. here on tips on how to turn your backyard into an oasis. >> first up, it's really all about the decor. so whether you're going to the beach, our friends over at world market, and picked up everything. so we picked up these buoys. >> you can make that yourself; right? >> that's a diy, so i like to give people activities. some sand, shells, they create a centerpiece and get to take it home. steve: yeah, right there, you've got your beverage. and you say if you're going to have some beverages, keep them simple. >> keep it super simple; right? because -- brian: rum and coke. >> i like the way you think. or put it in a dispenser, you let them serve, and then you drink it. i like white is an degree a,it's easy to make white whine, some fresh fruit. really the best of the season and everybody gets to serve themselves. brian: and sometimes you have parties, there are surprise guests. steve: right behind brian, we have a collection of essentials. >> i call this a beach bin. people are coming over, they're forgetting their beach towels, so i put things together. ainsley: you're a great hostest. brian: and what if you can't find the weather person? >> we always bring her to a party. steve: that is a miracle invention. >> this is from a company, it's sand proof and waterproof towels created by a by an australian. brian: new version of toss across. >> so this is great. so we got these from our friends over at hay needle. tons of toys. so this one is corn hole, but it's a beach theme, which is super awesome. steve: fantastic. robin, we thank you very, very much for joining us live. brian: back in a moment. we're worrying about aruba. you got one. >> i got two as moms, we send our kids out into the world, full of hope. and we don't want something like meningitis b getting in their way. meningococcal group b disease, or meningitis b, is real. bexsero is a vaccine to help prevent meningitis b in 10 to 25 year olds. even if meningitis b is uncommon, that's not a chance we're willing to take. meningitis b is different from the meningitis most teens were probably vaccinated against when younger. we're getting the word out against meningitis b. our teens are getting bexsero. bexsero should not be given if you had a severe allergic reaction after a previous dose. most common side effects are pain, redness or hardness at the injection site; muscle pain; fatigue; headache; nausea; and joint pain. bexsero may not protect all individuals. tell your healthcare professional if you're pregnant or if you have received any other meningitis b vaccines. ask your healthcare professional about the risks and benefits of bexsero and if vaccination with bexsero is right for your teen. moms, we can't wait. >> over the last two days we've had this wonderful beach setup thanks to island of aruba. our next guests are getting ready to celebrate 30 years of marriage. >> that is zach and phyllis. they're from new jersey and they join us to tell us their aruba story. why is it so special? you went there a year ago. >> fell in love with it. beautiful beaches. awesome restaurants. met some wonderful people that we've become really good friends with. our kids were totally upset that we did not take them and we went back two months later. >> this is the aruba tourism authority. you hear a lot of stories like that? >> it's what makes aruba so special for continue who become very loyal. aruba is the most visited destination in the caribbean by repeat guests. this is a great testimonial. >> one of the best vacations we had. people are friendly. beautiful island and you have a special surprise they don't know about. >> congratulations. we're so happy that aruba is part of that special love story and we as you know one of the most romantic destinations in the world. august 8th we'll be hosting aruba caribbean's largest ceremony. hundreds of couples will renew their i dos on the perfect sunset ceremony on eagle beach. we would love to invite you back to aruba as our guests. >> would you like a free trip? >> all expense paid trip including five terrific days at the hilton aruba caribbean resort. >> we'll give you all the details during the break. >> thank you so much. >> bill: good morning. everyone. this must be the most critical week in washington since donald trump won the white house and the final day of decisions at the u.s. supreme court. we await two big opinions. one on religious freedoms, one on border security and possibly on the travel ban that has yet to be resolved. a brand-new week begins now. >> shannon: it's going to be busy. i'm shannon bream. the supreme court justices will release the final rulings at 10:00 a.m. eastern time. we could find out whether the judges will take action on president trump's travel ban. >> bill: growing speculation on the possible retirement of the court's most reliable

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tonight. the major storm threat, the system moving across the country. severe storms and heavy snow all the way to the east. the new video. the grandfather who called police. his grandson was being attacked by an intruder. police killing the grandfather by mistake. tonight, the d.a.'s decision, no charges. who's watching you? the woman who says there was a camera in her hotel shower. what she says happened next. she's now suing for $100 million. former vice president joe biden, what he said overnight. will he run against president trump? and good evening tonight from washington. a very busy news night. we're going to begin with the moment playing out just a short time ago, right here in the nation's capital. former president george w. bush and his wife laura, meeting president trump and melania at blair house. the two families greeting one another on the eve of the state funeral for president george h.w. bush. it hasn't always been a warm relationship between the two families. but this is a moment of unity for our country. and we watched today several other poignant and emotional scenes playing out in the capitol rotunda. terry moran, leading us off. >> reporter: as dusk fell in washington, president trump and the first lady arrived at blair house, where the bush clan is staying. and, there to greet them, president george w. bush and laura bush. the four then making their way inside. a rare moment of civic graciousness in america. and it followed a quiet tribute last night. the trumps entering the capitol rotunda, where president bush lies in state, silently paying their respects. and then a crisp salute from the 45th president to the 41st. all this, even more noteworthy given the history between these families. president trump knocked jeb bush out of the 2016 campaign. he's sharply repudiated many policies of president george w. bush. and, this -- in 1988, trump reportedly offered to be the first president bush's running mate, an offer that went nowhere. but all that was put aside. president trump even sent air force one to texas to transport george h.w. bush's casket to washington. and, all day today, they filed past. many wiping away tears, or holding their hands over their hearts. veterans offering salutes to an american hero. the former cia chiefs honored their predecessor. and then, this unforgettable moment. former senator bob dole, 95 years old, wheelchair bound, lifted to his feet. and one final salute to his brother in arms from world war ii. among the crowds, many whose lives are so different because of the americans with disabilities act, signed into law by president bush. >> if there's any president that i want to pay my respects to, it's the man who helped pass the law that ensures that i have the same freedoms as everyone else. >> reporter: and there, too, in the rotunda, sully, the loyal service dog whose friendship with president bush has captured the nation. this evening, the bush family arrived. stopping to thank mourners one by one, and to pay their own respects. >> this has been such a moving 24 hours. terry joins us now live. we were talking earlier about this moment of unity for our country. we know that melania trump invited the bush family to the white house today? >> reporter: she did. another moment like that. the first lady bringing laura bush and a whole bunch of bushes to the white house to see the christmas decorations. laura bush posting pictures on instagram. all the bushes under the portrait of the late president bush, black draped. paying tribute there. and laura bush posting a picture with her old friends, members of the residence staff. this is the kind of unity that the late president bush would have appreciated. david? >> terry, thank you. we'll see you first thing in the morning for the state funeral. we'll be joining george and our team for the coverage as our nation honors former president george h.w. bush at 10:00 a.m., right here. and there are several other developing headlines. the stock market's dramatic plunge late today. the dow dropping nearly 800 points. a loss of more than 3% today. investors with concerns about the trade war with china. and the president's own words in a series of tweets, leading to major uncertainty on wall street tonight. let's get right to rebecca jarvis, live. what's behind the drop? >> reporter: david, there's confusion on wall street tonight coming out of that g-20 summit. just 48 hours ago. and president trump's meeting with china's president xi. the white house sounded optimistic about a deal on tariffs with china. but 24 hours later, in a series of tweets today, the president saying he's a tariff man. and that his team of advisers is working to see if that deal is actually possible. chinese tariffs have been looming large over the markets over the last three months. stocks dropping 7% over fears over the impact and the cost they will have on american businesses and american consumers. tomorrow, the markets will be closed in observance of president george h.w. bush's funeral. but you can bet you will see a lot more volatility ahead on this front. >> we'll be watching it for sure. rebecca, thank you. we'll turn to the alarming headline involving an american woman on vacation in costa rica. authorities say they've now found the body, and that it was murder. identifying the victim's body, it was found near the airbnb she was staying at for her birthday. now comes word tonight of an arrest. here's eva pilgrim. >> reporter: tonight, an arrest in the death of american carla stefaniak, who vanished while vacationing in costa rica. police say they've arrested a security guard, bismark martinez, who lives next to the airbnb where stefaniak was staying. >> second day. >> reporter: the body, found in the woods nearby, was stabbed to death. police think it is sefaniak, but they will now work with the fbi to make final identification. the 36-year-old, who was celebrating her birthday with her sister-in-law, decided to stay an extra day alone, checking into the airbnb, this picture of the room, the last she would send her family. texting, "it's raining hard and the power went out. super sketchy." before her phone died, she said she was going to ask a guard for water. stefaniak's family and friends, now in costa rica, have been pushing for answers. >> right now, emotions are taking over because there's not much we can do. we're just waiting for that phone call that we can go back to the morgue. >> reporter: david, authorities say they found blood in her room at the airbnb, and the guard became a suspect when his story didn't match what they found on security cameras. >> eva, thank you. back here at home, to the powerful storm slamming much of the country at this hour. snow, ice, and rain, starting in the west, and sweeping across the country, all the way east. the dangerous commute already. cars and trucks slipping off i-55 near st. louis. let's get right to rob marciano. rob? >> reporter: another pacific system that will traverse the entire country. california, northern california, hanging around for southern california through today. and thursday, by the time it gets to the plains, the cold will create problems for the southern plains and midsouth. likely some ice and snow coming this weekend. david? >> rob, thank you. we're going to turn now to a family's growing outrage tonight. new video coming in now after a colorado family, the grandfather called police for help. there was an intruder. police mistakenly shot and killed the grandfather. the d.a. now saying no charges will be filed against the officers. here's clayton sandell. >> he's in the bathroom, drowning my grandson, i think. >> reporter: the scene, chaos and confusion. aurora, colorado, police responding to an unknown trouble call hear gunshots. then see 73-year-old gary black in his bathrobe. >> drop the gun! hey! get your hands in the air! guy in the robe's got the gun. >> reporter: police find out too late, this is black's house. the decorated vietnam veteran had just killed an intruder. his last words, concern for his family. >> my son and grandson are in the bathroom with the perpetrator. >> reporter: the video shows black, who was hard of hearing, never aiming at police. the d.a. announcing the officer who killed black, drew limbaugh, will not face charges. the july incident was limbaugh's second fatal shooting in just a month. should that officer have been on the street? >> no. they never told mr. black that they were police. police officers are to protect and serve, not to act as snipers. >> reporter: officer limbaugh told investigators he felt like he had to shoot at the man, because it was not an option to wait and see what happens. david, the attorney for the black family says they are considering a civil lawsuit. david? >> clayton, thank you. here in washington, the remarkable scene playing out. a small group of senators meeting with the head of the cia behind closed doors. when they emerged, they were fuming. they were briefed on the death of jamal khashoggi. the cia director briefing the group, after khashoggi was last seen entering the saudi consulate. one senator saying there was no smoking gun, but a smoking saw. alou -- alluding to how khashoggi was killed. many are demanding punishment tonight. here's martha raddatz. >> reporter: it took cia director gina haspel only one hour to lay out the evidence. and senators at the closed door briefing, just minutes, to offer jaw-dropping condemnation of saudi's crown prince mohammed bin salman. >> i have zero question in my mind that the crown prince mbs ordered the killing. if he was in front of a jury, he would be convicted in 30 minutes. guilty. >> reporter: jamal khashoggi, last seen walking into the saudi consulate in istanbul. the cia has determined a hit squad of saudi operatives killed him there. one of them reportedly packing a bone saw. >> there's not a smoking gun. there's a smoking saw. you have to be willfully blind not to come to the conclusion that this was orchestrated and organized by people under the command of mbs. >> reporter: the crown prince, last seen beaming with vladimir putin at the g-20. president trump in the background. the president has the same information that senators got today, but he has wavered. >> i don't know. i don't know. but whether he did or whether he didn't, he denies it vehemently. >> martha, president trump has made it clear up until this point, he supports the crown prince. so, what now? >> the senators are really divided on this. do they stop arms sales, more sanctions? senator richard shelby saying somebody should be punished. but how do you separate the crown prince from the country? and that's the tough part, david. >> martha, thank you. former vice president joe biden making news for what he said about running for president in 2020. saying he's the most qualified person in the country to be president. he said he would make a decision on whether to run in the next two months. and the political uproar in wisconsin tonight. voters asking if the will of the people is being ignored. they elected a democrat for governor, but are republicans racing to take power away? and is the same thing playing out in michigan, too? here's mary bruce. >> reporter: in wisconsin tonight, outrage. >> we just had a vote, and you are out! >> reporter: protesters flooding the state capitol, accusing republican lawmakers of overriding the will of voters by trying to strip power from the newly-elected democratic governor. >> and the republicans inside of that building, our capitol, refuse to accept the results of the 2018 elections. >> reporter: democrat tony evers narrowly defeated two-term republican governor scott walker. >> i'm going to be the next governor of the state of wisconsin! >> reporter: but now, before he's even sworn in, the republican-controlled legislature is trying to jam through new measures to limit his authority. it has democrats furious. >> protect our vote! >> reporter: and republicans, defensive. >> we want to make sure the new administration doesn't try to work around the legislature. >> reporter: a similar story is also playing out in michigan, where democrat gretchen whitmer won the governor's race. republican lawmakers there, now trying to curtail her power, too. >> mary, wisconsin democrats are already pledging to fight this in court? >> reporter: yes, but republicans are plowing ahead anyway. and governor scott walker has signaled he will support this. his final mark on the state could be cutting the power of his own office. david? >> mary, thank you. there's still much more ahead on "world news tonight" this tuesday. the woman who says there was a camera in her hotel shower. and what she says happened next. she's now suing the hotel for $100 million. and new video of the nfl star, what it shows just days after another video showed him taking aim at a young woman in a hallway. and what we've learned about the nfl's response. and more on the school scare. students escorted from the building with hands in the air. what this turned out to be, and why it caused so much alarm. a lot more news ahead tonight. , and why it caused so much alarm. a lot more news ahead tonight. but prevagen helps your brain with an ingredient originally discovered... in jellyfish. in clinical trials, prevagen has been shown to improve short-term memory. prevagen. healthier brain. better life. coaching means making tough choices. jim! you're in! but when you have high blood pressure and need cold medicine that works fast, the choice is simple. coricidin hbp is the #1 brand that gives powerful cold symptom relief without raising your blood pressure. coricidin hbp. i've done all sorts of research, read earnings reports, looked at chart patterns. i've even built my own historic trading model. and you're still not sure if you want to make the trade? 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>> paula, thank you. when we come back, a massive ground beef recall. more than 12 million pounds of beef. we'll tell you where. and the colorado father convicted of murdering his pregnant wife and two young daughters. what they've now done with him. there's news coming in from the prison, in a moment. prison, in a moment. daughters. what they've now done with him. there's news coming in from the prison, when we return. what good is it? you'd be better off just taking your money and throwing it right into the harbor. i'm regret that. with new car replacement, if your brand-new car gets totaled, liberty mutual will pay the entire value plus depreciation. liberty mutual insur. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ and i'm still going for my best even though i live with a higher risk of stroke due to afib not caused by a heart valve problem. so if there's a better treatment than warfarin, i'm up for that. eliquis. eliquis is proven to reduce stroke risk better than warfarin. plus has significantly less major bleeding than warfarin. eliquis is fda-approved and has both. so what's next? 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and john meacham, author of -- >> hold on, that's not the tim mcgraw. that is a tennis player. >> he's john'spartner. >> they were the runners up. >> 80-plus tennis tournament. >> and it is timothy bergeson mcgraw iii. >> an old tobacco family that did business and moved to nashville. >> all right. >> we have a lot to get to this morning. >> as michael beschloss says at what points will books we write go straight to large print, given the age of our people. >> good pount. >> we have a lot going on. hold on, though. we've got more sports. red sox, we're number three. we're number three. >> our long national nightmare is over. we've reached .500. >> a moment so important, it will be celebrated at the white house this afternoon by the president because they reached . -- .500. >> oh, no, they're going to win, they're going to win. >> they are not! j.b.j. -- and you ask yourself, a tip of the hat, you ask yourself why you do you keep a guy who bats .150 in the lineup? that is why you keep a guy who bats .150 in the lineup. because he wins games. >> wow, that game should be over. so before i leave the red sox, before i leave the red sox, i hate to bring this up, they're going to the white house but it has become a very segregated affair for our boston red sox, a team again let's say in the past has had some real problems with race. >> championship teams when they go to the white house, that's a familiar ritual. there as a few bad jokes, athletic excellence is honored, the president gets a jersey with his name on it. >> when barack obama was there, he'd take a shot, a basket, and miss it. >> under president trump they become hyper politicized. we have seen teams be disinvited, like the golden state warriors and so many thing even team that have gone, they've gone in smach smaller numbers. for this red sox team it seems particularly frustrate. the optics look a little divisive pause every player of color on the team is not going with the exception of. k. martinez and every white player on the team is going. >> and i think. d. is kind of conversation it's a team and a city that has had history of racial issues. and though certainly as things have improved, the legacy is still there. the red sox have stressed this is where -- plars on both sides of the issue have hade and that may be true. we'll see that you but, i had declining number african-american players. >> well, our report are, willie, mike barnicle, has been talking to a will the of people, says there is not dissension in the clubhouse over there. i personally wish -- against not to sound like harold but i understand those who aren't going and i roo expect them and a 3-year-old twr i understand that, too. i to wish that would have held back and you know what, i'm just going to stay back with my teammates. >> and alex cora has a very specific complaint about donald trump. he is puerto rican and he doesn't like the way president trump has handled port rico. when i it and alex corea was on the radio. >> like david price. thank you, david! >> price has said because he tweeted a "boston herald" reporter's observation, that it was touch a race will to what he thought was an insensitive observation. >> so david's now saying there's not racial division. rchlts all right. >> and there were horse roo eed like to think i've had a few decent moments of my journalism career i could be proud of. i think the pin a call is today when i'm in the rose garden shouting questions about the red sox. >> so totthis week totham scores three in the second of a it's just the craziest week. and the craziest part of the week, you know, people were screaming all over the world watching this, but the screams that did not each murray is yelling on the radio. the kids are going crazy. it kind of like a john meacham vant but also it happened, n. >> to your dad's book vant last night. yes, lake of the ozarks. in a lot of my dad as fans, if this whol thing has been so great for my dad to sit there and tell had in one of the greatest storytellers ever. >> and it been fun for me sorry i weren't there. >> also, mika last night talking to interest. very honest and vulnerable with all of the ups and downs that they have faced as a family and i found her to be remarkable. it was a great event and we really appreciate being -- the opportunity to sit with her on stage and listen to her stories, but we also did an interview for this show, talked a little bit more about the politics of the situation and we'll be showing that later in the show. but first -- >> i want to go to john because there's another sporting event. >> no, we got to get to the news. >> interesting he made an observation because he had worked with richard ben cramer very well and aware of the remarkable biden stories. and biden would always take the bait. someone would accuse him of not being the smartest guy and he jumped back and said things he always regretted. 2008 the same thing. we were talking about joe biden and is he too old? and jack said and mika later on was talking to jill about this who agreed. in this case older does seem to equal wiser, and perhaps makes a difference for him this year that he is older and wiser and has learned from two campaigns, like ronald reagan learned from two campaigns of servicing. >> remember that moment in 2008 there was a debate where i think brian williams asked are you at all more disciplined now? can you just give us short answers? do you believe you've conquered this? and i believe i'm right that joe just said "yes" and that was the answer. i came around in february with this incoit sense he might not run. there are two things recently that are really, really interesting. one is the study about the left on twitter is not the base of the democratic party. it the base it's the base of the progressive part of twitter. i think that's significant. and the other thing is most americans, for better or for worse, and i would say for better, don't follow the public life of the nation in as detailed a way as we all do. so biden to them represents a working class -- white working class wing of the obama years. they think of obama, obama looks pretty good right now. of course all previous presidents now look like cicero, but that's okay. >> james buchanan's family, by the way, very, very pleased with trump's performance thus far. >> as '43 has said in public, "don't look so bad now." >> love that guy. we miss him badly. >> so i think all of that is coming together. so you have a democratic party that may not be as close to the w warren and sanders world that cable media might suggest to you and folks who don't get wrapped up in the serialization of conflict in which we all play a part, whether it's -- whatever the controversy of the moment is and biden looks out of touch or he looks as though he's getting wrapped up in this movementnd a he might be able to carry pennsylvania. let's take a hard look at him. i think that's a significant part of why he's doing so well right now. >> and the life story is something that might add to why he brings more to the table right now. >> the senate intelligence committ committ committeeof course, it too easy to forget all this man has been through and it came crashing back on me last night. talk about god's awful grace. he lost his wife and his baby daughter in a car accident right before he got sworn into the senate. he had -- everybody thought he was going to die after the '88 cam pan. they opened up his skull, but the doctors said when we did, if the vessel goes in, you're going to die. he called his kids to the bedside and told his sons especially, listen, there's a chance i'm not going to make it but i want you to know you never have to go through your life asking whether dad was proud of you. know now i'm proud of you, you've already made me proud. and then he loses his son beau. this man has been -- he's lost two children, he's lost a wife. i mean, he almost died in '88. >> their house burned down. >> yeah, their house burned down. as jill said last night, when the house burned down, he came in from washington, he's walking in, everything's burned down and he looked at her and she was afraid he was going to be so broken hearted and he said, well, you know what, this gives us a great chance to fix all the things that we messed up on when we built this house. she said that's who he is. i don't know how he lost two children, lost a wife in a car accident, almost died and he just keeps going. and he's optimistic. >> and his experience with all that grief is separate from hers, is different. she talks about that in the full interview with dr. biden we'll show on "morning joe" straight ahead. it was fascinating how she shares a look into their personal life but has a very different point of view about how she handles grief. it going to especially if she wins the white house. i think she might be transformative if that ever came to pap. >> his political kroor began in his child's hospital room. he was sworn in as a senator. if you think about the course of history as john meacham does, in 2016 this country might have been a completely different place if his son, beau, had not died so tragically. he said i can't run for senate right now, i don't have it in me. it might have been a different election and different country. >> few americans with speak about grief like he can. there are a number of people who identify with that. when he speaks, they can feel that and they connect with him on that level. >> so ben wittes, i know you thought you were coming to "morning joe." but this has been the regis show where i sit here and talk about whatever the hell i want to talk about. >> where did you go to dinner last night? >> we didn't go to dinner. >> regis, he's the absolute best. regis said "can you believe the review, the show girls." so a double headline here, house committee vote to put barr in contempt. so barr is in contempt pt and and at the same time this is the shocker, the senate republican-led intel committee subpoenas don jr. >> hello! >> yet another day of incredible stories buzzing across our phone. what do you make of all of it? >> we, let's start with the house vote is a total nonsurprise. the senate move seems like it comes out of nowhere, except the senate intelligence committee, unlike everything that's gone on on the house side pretty relentlessly about i think senator richard burst deserves a lot of credit for that. so what specific chi that there are questions that they need to answer, don jr., before wrapping up their work. it's a sign that he continues to run and has run a pretty professional investigation and i'm sure he's going to get hammered by krit in republican world. but i think he, you know, rae deserves a lot of credit and talk about how shameful. there have been a couple of things that critics have pounded him for, share he is being attacked by don jr. and jon jr. pass init is, joe. in this case burr and this is a pretty aggressive move to subpoena coop. it's after he refused to answer questions fromand he pretty much came out unscathed of the mule are referand mule are base chi con it want a willful violation of that. but a lot of have debated that decision and now we'll be able to get to that question as he comes or at least has to respond to the subpoena. then there's the question of the new michael co i don't know and h had. in really didn't know a whole lot about those nch. . in william pur will come out of this perhaps one of those people who cannot be rattled by the political wave here. and that's key as mueller closes up shot and we no lo are they've been an approximatelywe have a lot more to talk about. new york state yesterday. my gather, they did a couple of things. first of all, they took a move toofrd actually being able to send along to the feds donald trump's new york tax returns to figure out how much honey. for anybody that donald trump may she came and this is fry my 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successful guy. >> the thapg is oo got in turn doll give hp had and then he lost a billion dollars on top f of. in sfchlt and that's like saying someone jumped off a 50-story building and accomplished something because of how quickly they hit the ground. is that a pretty good metaphor? from u.s. lawrence offer his tax returns. according to the associated press, new york's state senate a a. in the bill, which now head to the state asem fwlchl state tax prchlt sfchenate senate finance committee. both chambers are controlled by democrats. at the same time new york's state senate has also passed a bill that would exempt new york's so-called double jeopardy law, from cases involving presidential pardons. if line so we have two things to talk about doming out of work state. s did that pop f. >> so eight complicated thing. the parameters of sort of duel off renity and the to be this will be a big deal on if f who could face trial in new york separately. so it's a bit of a hip. it will us about the tax returns. ffrm n so if you think about your own tax return, you're state that is, the un(sfuchlt so the idea that state fchblt to the have data in a the n is a pretty undue. f who say, hey, if the irs won't give it ou, all you think this as no. fuchlt ff how to return tax d a data, new york state return tax data. >> i have to say, yulia, i neff saw this coming. and the. on the federal level. but on the state level, i mean, eight pretty brilliant move by the nch permanent nfrmt ffrmt and that the ans state. whoop on set going after a incredible. sfchlt or atlas what n a the question of where donald trump got money that can f around twait, two and and he tn n so i think more than the losses, more poosably more than whrnt he machl a question of where sm of this money came from and were there foreign bank involved. i think that one of the things that really gets under the skin of that the fount what n. from that f instead, i had texed you a question yesterday and it's a little sprid sficht sfchlt fuchlt it appeared that the d can can sfchlt that pr tan it fmt sfchlt sfchlt, you said it will take some time. can you explain that? >> i want be candid, we don't know. the courts are much better about expediting appeals that involve their own confrontations with the president than they are about facilitating congressional confrontation with the president. so if you think back to watergate, you know, the court's actually or maybe not even at all on congress's effort to g got -- this ruled on the prosecutor as evident be and edid that very fats. and the court as general at tutsi f after yoorss are just racehi on thrs this brp, pd ishsly to facilitate congress getting what it wants. i do think that nancy pelosi has hired a truly first right counsel fblt isn't. >> benjamin wittes, thank you so much. coming up, president trump is imposing new sanctions on iran. and jove night north korea launched more suspected short range mitt ls different approaches to these two 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five days afr kterm jong un oversaw a series of test launches. the app reports seem to be modelled after a russian short-range missile system. yesterday the pentagon announced it is suspended talks with north korea regarding remains of troops saying the u.n. has not heard from pyongyang on the topic since the collapse of the hanoi summit in february. >> now let's hear from msnbc contributor ben rhodes. ben, who understands donald trump's strategy? it seems he's just caving in day in and day out to kim jong un. but i think it interesting. it difficult for any president, the north korea issue. it has been for 20, 25 years. i know barack obama told donald trump this would be what kept you up at night. what kept you up at night about north korea and what could any president do to slow down the development of a nuclear program that could deliver a nuclear preppon weapon to nebraska? >> woo e have tens of thousands service members in north japan. they put at risks those tens of thousands of americans, as well as our allies. >> so what do we do to stop him? >> thus far what you've seen this president do is heap praise on kim jong un. where nothing happens, joe. they have not rolled back their nuclear program at all. you try to go step by step. you don't try to hit a home run at a summit sitting next to kim jong un, a murderous dictator. >> they've lied, lied to president obama, lied to president bush, lied to present. they've lied to everybody. is there ever -- does a deal ever go through north korea? or does it have to go through china? >> well, first of all, they lie and that's why you need some inspections regime, joe and not just relying on the word of kim jong un. we cannot stress how unusual it is that this president takes kim jong un on his word repeatedly. i would want to see some va verification regime. you need to work with china. you also need to work with allies, south korea and japan. this president has consistently treated allies worse than he's treated kim jong un. that's why this has become such a dangerous and destabilizing situation globally. >> ben, it's willie. can i ask you the big-picture question we've asked so many foreign policy experts over the last couple of years when we talk about north korea and that is why would north korea ever give up its nuclear program? it's the only weapon it has. it is the stick that kim jong un wields. why would he give up that nuclear program? >> i think you're right and he's not going to give in a up soon. what you want is a verifiable rocket if we can roll back that program. at the same time, if you have inspectors in there that can give transparency to that situation, who would make a deal with us? the iranians and this president just pulls out that that's why this kind of bull in a china shop approach to foreign policy is going to have costs that come due overtime. and i think we're beginning to see those costs. you saw it with iran announcing they might not come plight with a nuclear deal that president trump pulled out of a year ago. >> and this is a test of president trump's foreign policy. i was in hanoi when that summit fell apart in stunning fashion. something that -- if it was any other country involved, any other foreign leader, he would have reacted with real rage and anger. with kim jong un, he has repeatedly begin given him the benefit of the doubt? >> it's because the president has put so much faith in him that o as he would cozy up to kim jong un, flapper him, appeal to some sort of pans usually in the summits, on the staff level they get close to an agreement and the principals come in and seal the deal. in this case, that didn't happen and part of it is because of the reasons and it fell apart be but he is so much invested in this, he seems to be refusing to let it go. yes, to keep the world a safer place but he's also told people around him he thinks this is his chance to a nobel peace prize and how he can get re-elected and to this point he do not seem to want to sever negotiations with kim jong un. >> john meacham. >> ben, i wanted to ask you, do you think north korea at this point is a rational regime in that is there a couple of moves -- have they thought a couple of moves out as to whether the pursuit of this nuclear policy is ultimately sustainable for them as a regime and, secondly, what do you think the intelligence reports, the psychological profile of trump is that foreign leaders are reading in their capitals as they begin to deal with him? >> well, first of all, i think they're entirely rational. kim jong un isn't coming to these summit because he wants praise on twitter tw donald trump -- from donald trump, he wants sanctions relief. he's not taking one step to roll back their he's trying to get our attention and rationally say if you don't give me what i want, which is sanctions relief, i will keep doing this. and i think the psychological profile that all of these people have, particularly these dictators that trump can't seem to stop praising is if you flatter him or give him a spectacle, you don't need to do anything. you don't need to make a deal. north korea has done nothing for two years. they had two meetings with trump, he liked the attention he got internationally. people described in as an achievement when nothing was negotiated, i think if you can flatter him strong man to strong man, don't need to giving in up. >> thank you for this ongoing, a little disturbing story. >> so donald trump thinks he's going to win a nobel prize for north korea? >> he has told heem peoplein the past that he was encouraged by the steps, even though there is and he felt if he was the president who could have nong bong which is a program that keeps them in beistence -- >> you can just have those made, like fake "time" magazine covers. >> don't make fun of he -- >> that's what oo i always -- i never have the discipline to not unpeel the gold and i eat the chocolate. >> delicious. >> also, reports out yesterday that donald trump is now privately worrying about john bolton. he used to joke that he was going to get him into a war but now we hear reports that donald trump is privately worrying that john bolton is trying to get him into a war with iran. >> there's been growing frustration from the president on his national security adviser, that he feels that he's painted into a corner there, that he feels that trump -- that bolton pushed trump to say there will be regime change here, that maduro will leave that, this can be something he can step in and would not take much in the way of american influence. instead that's he feels that bolton has led him to a path that may become inevitable. >> did you figure out the name of the lama? >> it's teintina. tina, you fat lard, he calls her. >> stop -- doesnn't, doesn't --e of the great movies of our time. >> you know how it's going to end. >> napoleon dynamite, you're showing your kids that? >> i have a 9-year-old son and 11-year-old daughter. that is 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with facts, ignoring the subpoena, the president is making a case -- he's becoming self-impeachable in terms of some of the things that he is doing. >> welcome back to "morning joe." it is thursday, may 9th. we have reporter for the associated press jonathan lemire, claire mccaskill, former white house counsel to president obama, bob bower. boy, nancy pelosi. >> nancy pelosi. i've been friends with nancy for a very long time. we were on different sides of the aisle, i have to say, claire, i knew she was good at what she did but this isn't hyperbole. i don't think i can recall a lead leader on capitol hill being more pitch perfect, juggling more things at the same time than nancy pelosi, but she has struck the perfect tone from the start. >> i think she is -- you know, this is one of those times when experience does really matter. you know, in politics experience is a bad thing. you're supposed to have never done it before. you're supposed to be some business guy who just wandered in and says, well, i can save america. but nancy has been there. she understands. what's really unimaginable is how she's managed to keep the troops from straying. once you have that power, you want to go. she's managed to keep all of her men and women to the as a team. that's an amazing accomplishment, especially when we have that left friction in our party right now. >> to you this has to seem especially extraordinary because nancy is speaker of the house because of the moderates that won in virginia, because of the moderates that won in california, because of the moderates that won in georgia, because of the moderates that won in districts where they don't usually win. and we -- i hear liberals complaining all the time about the supreme court. the supreme court is -- and nancy is charting a moderate course to try to help people like you running for office so the democrats can get the majority again. but until democrats figure out how to do this on the senate side, republicans are going to keep putting conservatives on the supreme court for as long as republicans control the senate. doesn't matter who the democratic president is. we saw that with merrick garland. >> i think you're right. we got to recruit good candidates in the states we can win. there's a bunch of states we can win. i do think the democrats in the senate are trying. if you notice this week, what most of the democratic senators are talking about is health care for women in this country. we are taking a dramatic, radical turn to the right in terms of health care for women. just contraception is actually in play under this administration. so i think the senate is trying. i do think what nancy has in the back of her mind and what chuck schumer has in the back of his mind is the way we get back to the majority is getting those obama voters we lost to donald trump. >> i don't want to get you in trouble. >> you probably will. up know, i' you know, i've never been in trouble before so why don't we try? >> there's a reason when donald trump goes to the rally he ticks off this, that, the other. part of that is late-term abortion and that matters to a lot of people across american. it like assault rifle, like expanded background checks. on late-term abortion, it the same thing. in states like missouri, in states like montana, in other states and middle america where democrats need to win if they want to control the supreme court again, you know, sometimes it's got to be okay to have a democratic nominee that believes that when a baby is viable, when an unborn child is viable, like 22, 23 weeks, it's okay for states to put in limitations. i'm not preaching anything here. i'm just talking about political realities. there are some issues that democrats have to give some room on like abortion and not take an absolutist position if they ef wa -- ever want to win back the senate. >> most americans don't have an absolutist position on abortion. first of all, donald trump is lying when he talks about late-term abortion in his rallies. nobody is murdering live-born babies. >> but let's not get into a semantics argument that people who want, you know, military-style weapons out there get on guns. on abortion there have been democrats that have staken out a position that precludes people from getting elected in missouri and other state where democrats have to win. >> i think democrats have to pivot and go to where there is most agreement, like background checks. you nope wheknow where there is agreement? accessible to contraception. there are going to be more unwanted pregnancies if they don't have contraception. defunding organizations that are the go-to organizations for contraception are going to create more abortions. >> i understand. >> the other thing is what georgia just did is they're saying a woman should go to prison and a doctor should go to prison if there's a heartbeat. that's six weeks. women many times don't even know they're pregnant at six weeks. >> i'm saying democrats have to allow somebody to say i support the right for abortion but at 20 weeks, 21 weeks when the baby becomes viable, i'm sorry, you know what, i think at that point a state can make its opwn choics without the federal government stepping in. i'm saying the democratic party has to be okay with that. >> first of all, the democratic party needs to welcome people that have all views. that's the bottom line is we should not be disqualifying people as democrats because they are big gun advocates or because they are very strong -- that's the other thing we got to remember. let's make sure we don't start ef l eliminating people because we aren't in singe. >> -- sync. >> i think you're right, that's an extreme position and we go to the other side in georgia and that's an extreme position. you have to have a place for pro-life democrats. >> let's do the middle. >> you've seen in alabama, they're staking out extreme positions. good luck being a republican candidate ever winning in georgia, a suburban woman. >> so before we get to bob, claire has confirmed that subpoenaing is a word. i'm not good at it so -- >> yeah, we are subpoenaing business records -- >> it doesn't sound right. >> it an awkward word. >> we're not doing it. the senate intelligence committee has subpoenaed don jr. as part of its russia investigation. the republican-led panel is demanding that donald trump jr. answer questions about his previous testimony over moscow's election interference. it mashs trks the first congresl subpoena against one of trump's children. he testified before the senate judiciary committee in 2017. he said at the time he was only peripherally aware of the trump tower moscow project, which was kept secret from voters. in an interview at the beginning of this year, trump jr. downplayed his family's role in that project. in addition to questioning him on that, the committee wants to ask trump jr.ier of what he told his father and others about the 2016 meeting with russians to figure out this russia thing. >> bob bauer, case closed. doesn't lock liok like it. >> it isn't doesn't. it interesting the committee wants to come back to the campaign finance issue. there's also the testimony about the moscow hotel project. the mueller analysis of the trump tower meeting is very cursory. now it seems like it may receive some more attention. it not consistent of course with the development of the administration's narrative, this is out of the republican senate and the bipartisan senate intelligence committee. so on a number of accounts, this seems to be a potentially significant development. >> in one of the most predictable terms to the story, maggie haber tweeted about the senate intel subpoena, "don continues to cooperate by producing documents but no lawyer would alou their client to participate in what is an obvious p.r. stunt, from a so-called republican senator too cowardly to stand up to his boss mark warner and the rest of the resistance democrats on the committee." >> have reliable republican. this is not going to sit well with richard burr. seriously, if you're getting called by your own party with an investigative subpoena, probably one of the pieces of advice your lawyer would give you is don't insult the chairman right out of the gate. yes, richard burr is not going to run again and he probably has a little bit more independence, but it's big that he did this right after mitch mcconnell gave his speech, sending a signal to of republican we're done, that richard burr did this, that the members of the committee went along with it without anybody speaking out. there's a lot of republicans on that committee and not one of them, john, i was kind of surprised that somebody didn't say i'm opposed to us doing this, but nobody has. >> no one did, but there was going to be a splintering in the party over this issue. john jr. is the most popular over the conservative base. we saw it pick up a lot of traction, we saw the hit pieces from breitbart and other places about burr. it is probably only a matter of time before the president himself weighs in and burr becomes the latest republican senator to draw the rawrath of s own party. >> it's only the second time that republican borders have somehow this week confused loyalty to donald trump with -- or put loyalty to donald trump over the rule of law. you had this case. you also had a lot of trump supporters not on in congress but also in the media attack the group of -- the group that had put out the list of the prosecutors, which has always been a bipartisan group. and now you have people that were once respected journalists attacking them as partisan left-weleft left-wing groups going after donald trump. if you support the rule of law in this new washington, d.c. that republicans run, then you somehow, you know, that's seen as an attack on donald trump, supporting the rule of law. >> the republicans in the senate know better in terms of that list of 800-plus prosecutors. many of them know many of them. these are not republicans or democrats on that list. these are not political operatives. these are not people that have ever been pushed around because most of them spent most of their lives in the justice department where it was a really big deal if you were political. you could not be political as a career prosecutor at justice. those days are kind of gone now. you know, let's get back to a fundamental truth here. not one republican not has spoken out strongly about the attorney general of the united states saying that the president has the power to stop any investigation. >> no. ben sass, didn't ben go to harvard law school? >> we've got lots of harvard and yale folks on there. mike lee did. the guy who beat me did. >> let's not get started with him. >> let's not talk about it. >> you have some of the best schools, job, and yet you have an attorney general that says the president -- basically the tlau also allow the attorney general of the united states of america to commit perjury in the house of representatives. so i wrote voted to imetch if you committed perjury in front of a federal grand jury, would you have been isn't to jail. that was my standard. that's the same standard i use for barr now. he committed perjury in front of congress. if you or i did that, we would be sitting in jail right now and yet not a single republican has stood up and spoken out on that. >> bill barr is waging what i call for him he really of a view of, tiff authority that is exceedingly expansive, some would say extreme. i think he took the job in part to defend it. i think it has less to do with his defense of donald trump. some would say he's working as donald trump's personal attorney. if you look back going ba he takes the view that the republican has authority, regardless of motive, to end an investigation, even if it is one that implicates him and his political opponents and families. >> so you're staying this is a longstanding view, an imperial presidency. >> in is his longstanding view. before being considered for a attorney general, he drafted a long 19-page general member dough, laying this theory out and he submitted it to the donald trump period it's a position on, tiff authority that he is very strongly committed to. >> bob weeshs have the banner below you, the president praised the attorney general yesterday. what happens if it does go to the house if nancy pelosi calls that vote and the full house votes the attorney general to be in contempt? is that merely symbolic or what happens from there? >> it's another step in an escalating confrontation. it not to say it won't be resolved. the department of justice's pos is it need mo -- position is it needs more time to review any of the materials on which the mueller document relied. that's millions of documents. it's a privilege claim that's been made in the meantime to buy time. the house wants to hurry it up, it's voting contempt. the administration is responding by saying we need more time. there are potentially protracted legal proceedings ahead of us on this. >> bob i mean, article one obviously -- the drafters of the constitution believe in separate but equal branches but the first branch among equals, of course, was congress. what are your thoughts as you see the white house just show contempt for the house and the senate's constitutional duties? >> i think the lawyers in the white house are being bit to the will of the president. if you were advising the president, you would tell him you can't do a blanket denial. you can't deny congress everything. this is weakening the president's position in the courts if this eventually gets to the courts, which i think it probably will. maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, maybe not until the summer of next year or later, but the point is that when you say no to everything, then you are really spitting at the founding framers of the constitution. you are basically saying that congress has no role and there's plenty of case law out there that says congress has a role, a legitimate role in jooversight. they're saying no to everything. they have not produced anything, on health care, on puerto rico, on separation of kid frs from tr families brd it-- we've always d fights but not like this, where the president said we're shutting it down, we're ignoring them, we're treating them the way we used to treat small business contractors that used to build things for me, don't pay them, they'll take less after they had to hire lawyer. >> at a rally last night, the president insisted an invasion is taking place at the southern border. we'll show you his new comments and we'll bring in congresswoman veronica escobar to talk about that, 2020 politics and her vote in the judiciary committee in favor of holding the torattorne general in contempt. and this week we'll look at the cover of "time" magazine. 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you can't. there's no -- that's only in the panhandle you can get away with that statement. only in the panhandle. so it's a tough situation. >> joining us now member of the house judiciary committee democratic whip congresswoman veronica escobar of texas. where would you like to begin when it comes to reacting to the president's comments yesterday from the invasion to the joke? >> well, good morning, mika, i'll tell you that clip when i saw it last night, it made me very, very sad, very sad for our country, that we are at such a moral rock bottom and that we have a president who has created an addiction to hate, an addiction to bigotry and he uses every opportunity he can to feed and grow that addiction. we -- we are in so many crises. s we a-- we are juggling as americans so many crises. this morals crisis is painful to watch unfold. >> you sit on the judiciary committee. you supported the resolution to hold attorney general barr in contempt yesterday. what specifically did you hear or not hear from him that led you to that position. . >> the attorney general gave us no choice. chairman nadler has tried for over two months to get access to materials and information that rightfully belongs in the hands of congress. we are here to do the people's work. they have stalled, stonewalled, obstructed. the committee has done everything possible to accommodate mr. barr, to make sure that woo bend over backwards to assure that accommodations are made. by essentially refusing to provide the report, by not showing up a hearing and before we even walked into the hearing room hereby gave us no choice. yesterday i wanted to remind the american public why this hearing in particular is so important. the united states was attacked by russia, and the president and his family and his team knew about it, welcomed it, never reported it and then the president tried to obstruct an investigation about that attack. the russians are still at it today. they were very successful in their attack against the united states, and all of us, republicans and democrats alike, should be working to get to the full truth so that we can prevent an attack on us again and protect this country. >> congresswoman, as you heard from your republican colleagues and woo -- they would say you've had two years, it time to move on. how would you respond to that? >> they don't care about an attack by a foreign adversary on this country. it's not a very patriotic attitude if you ask me. the mueller report paints a very frightening and damaging picture. if they had read it, they should be as alarmed and frightened as the rest of us are for our democracy. >> congresswoman, you marked out about a year since the policy of separating children from their families at the border. they're trying to make it harder for those who come to the border. you're introducing legislation to try to protect those acsylum seekers. can you walk us through what you're trying to do? >> i'm trying to defund the protocol policies put in effect i this administration. what has been happening in el paso is they've been sent back to mexico to await their hearing and await due process. we're seeing that many of them are not returning because they can't. they have they are growing more and more desperate and they're being put in danger so we're trying to defund that program alto ta altogether. >> congresswoman, i think we have to say there is an issue with the number number of peopl showing up at the border. the system is being overwhelmed. i think all of us can agree on that. what i don't understand is why there hasn't been more urgency about surging resources for the judicial process. because if the judicial process occurs quickly, then asylum is determined, it is valid and if not they go back. they haven't even funded the judicial positions that were in the budget. they hadn't even hired the people. speak to that because we've got a problem there, when i was there, they were still using papers in these courts. they hadn't even converted for electron being files. had you to wa-- you had to waita file to come from el paso if you were in california. talk about that, if you could. >> that is correct. the same problems that you outline persist. there has been in my view a real misuse and misappropriations of funds. there's been an approach that has been far less than strategic. i'll give u an example . they have been ill-equipped -- i don't want to say ill equipped. we've known in the migration patterns for years now and they have not changed their policies in 20 years. you still have, for example, agents with a gun and a badge performing functions that could be performed by civilians. those functions should be civilianized. even in the interim. d.h.s. should be bringing civilian c.v.b. folks, civilian border patrol folks to perform the functions that doesn't require law enforcement, get i'll tell you, their decision to move customs border protection agents from our ports has created a semi shut double play at our ports of entry on the economic side, on the trade side. that's one example when you're thinking is there any kpon sense here? why wasn't there any strategy or planning for this? we've been seeing it unfold for months and months. fobs like me have been warning from home, hey, y'all, we're going to see more significant numbers in the spring once the weather warms up. what are you going to do? how are you going to plan for that? it an agency that has been receiving hundreds of mol then you take a look at the judicial side, you have a department of justice that still has an iron grip on its judges and a president that has stalled funds for new judges and for the ancillary personnel that they need. it's hard not to be cynical about this and think that no matter how many resources we appropria appropriate, we have an administration that wants to exacerbate a challenge so he can laugh when people say "shoot them." >> that was an excellent way of laying out the many dimensions of this problem. congresswoman veronica escobar, thank you very much. we'll see you soon. >> coming up, peter buttigieg has been a standout and there's now a new issue separating him from the pack. and tonight joe has a gig at prohibition here in new york city. the show connection, we'll be back in just a moment. ♪ ♪ everybody loves a party, downtown, i'm going downtown ♪ ♪ i'm going downtown, i'm going downtown ♪ ( ♪ ) man: you can do this! grab those command picture hanging strips and let's make it work. they're tool free and they hold strong. oh, rustic chic! an arrow angled to point at rustic chic. hmm, may i be honest here? 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and have they done any other reviews in terms of getting up to speed and in terms of taking care of the people who work for them? >> that's exactly right. the buttigieg cam pan has suggested this is some of their growing pains. they've gone from basically obscurity a few months ago to a staff that that under obamacare once they have that 50 people, they'll have a critical mass to negotiate the group plan and they are taking a look at some of the other ways they run their campaign, trying to make sure it all allow. >> things have changed since i ran a campaign. i would provide the crackers but not the butter -- >> cheese. >> or the cheese. if you want cheese, you go to france! >> warm beer and cold pizza. >> for a campaign that's ramping up, so much of -- again, the minor leagues, but so much of it was like volunteers coming in. >> of course. think about what he just said. they have not reached 50 employees yet. elizabeth warren, i don't know what her payroll is but it's huge, hundreds and hundreds. >> kind of seem like they're looking for something. >> yes. for him to have gotten where he is with less than 50 people working on his campaign, it's remarkable. and interest there will be growing pains. >> we talked about one of the congratulate challenges when he had his really successful launch, how do you scale it? 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and just steps from the world trade center reflecting pool, a new 9/11 memorial is in the works. name the 9/11 memorial that's is for the thousands of men and women who have gotten sick or died from illnesses to the toxic dust unleashed when the world trade center collapsed in 2001. the memorial will sit where recovery workers once entered the site in the aftermath of 9/11. and incorporate melted down steel recovered from the original world trade center. because so many pair resrished aftermath of the attacks, the memorial will not contain the names. the nypd has lost 203 members since the attacks and 193 members of the fndy have passed away from 9/11-related illnesses. >> mika, i always remember you talking about, even before so many people started dying, talking about being down, reporting for cbs, at ground zero, before the buildings fell and for the next several weeks. and you just said intuitively, you knew that something was wrong. and you immediately got a shirt and wrapped it around your mouth. and that's how you walked around for two weeks if you weren't on camera. >> it just didn't feel right. a lot of people were wearing masks. you could tell something was wrong with the air. actually, the local station, investigative reporter there, broke one of the first stories of the people who were dieing from 9/11-related illnesses. and it was hard to get people to take it seriously at first. it was very serious. >> especially with the federal government at the time, jonathan, who was telling everybody that there was no danger. >> that's right. there were mixed messages. there was no consistency with what the government was saying. i was down there as well. with the new york daily news, you could tell, just breathe it in that something was off. so many firefighters and police officers. civilians who rushed down to help are still getting sick and dying. >> that is correct. >> and congress, by the way, if it hadn't been for jon stewart, he came down to washington, with firefighters and police officers to lobby congress to get the funding for helping these people that are contracting and continue to suffer from this. and it has not been a proud moment for congress in terms of funding this issue. >> no. it's been hard and continuing to hard. coming up on "morning joe," is the case really closed on robert mueller's russia probe? 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>> well, i -- let's start with -- the house vote is a total nonsurprise. the senate move kind of seems like it comes out of nowhere. except that the senate intelligence committee, unlike everything that's gone on the house side for the last two years has been been pretty relentlessly bipartisan. pretty quiet and pretty cooperative. and i think senator richard bird deserves credit for tha s credi. what's behind the subpoena, i don't know. there's clearly sentiment on the committee that the chair either shares or respects that there are questions they need to answer don junior before wrapping up their work. i think that's a sign, you know, that he continues to run and has run a pretty professional investigation. and i'm sure he's going to get hammered by critics in the republican world. but i think he, you know, really deserves a lot of credit for sort of quietly, in a business-like way, doing the investigative work that the situation requires. >> julia, we paint with a broad brush and talk about how shamful -- not you, we around this table, i don't want to put it on myself alone -- we talk about how shameful the republicans have acted on capitol hill in this investigation. burr, though, richard, has been a notable exception. there's been a couple of things that critics have pounded him for, sharing some information with the white house. but this is a bold move. he is being attacked by don junior. and don junior's little sycophants. but he and warner have run a bipartisan intel committee. and in 2019, that is a pretty extraordinary political achievement, isn't it? >> it is, joe. i mean, in this case, burr is someone who really stands alone. he's quiet, he's stoic, just as ben pointed out. in this case, this is a pretty aggressive move to subpoena donald trump jr. this is after he refused to voluntarily come before this committee, this is after he refused to answer questions from the grand jury. and it's after he pretty much came out unscathed from the mueller report. because if you can remember, in volume one of the report, when they get into the conspiracy collusion question, they get into the june 2016 meeting at trump tower, about whether or not donald trump jr. took was something of value. that's key in any campaign finance violation. and mueller basically concluded that it wasn't a willful violation of that. but a lot of people have debated that decision. and now, we'll be able to get into that question as he comes or at least has to respond to the subpoena. and then, of course, there's a question of the moscow trump tower negotiations. because michael cohen and his testimony directly contradicted what donald trump jr. had told the senate judiciary committee in september of 2017. donald trump jr. said he was peripherally involved. really didn't know a whole lot about the negotiations. in fact, michael cohen said he briefed ivanka and donald trump jr. at least ten times. so that doesn't sound peripheral. and i think these are the questions at the heart of this. so, yes, william burr will come out of this perhaps as one of the people not rattled by the political waves here. and that's key after robert mueller closing up shop. and we no longer have him in that position to do so. still ahead on "morning joe," my wide ranging interview with dr. jill biden. we talk about her journey as a teacher, mother and could-be first lady. you're watching montgomery montgomer "morning joe," you'll be right back. 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>> you know, i didn't start out to write this type of book. i started out to talk about the incredible people i met during our administration. and i talked to the publishers. and i started to tell them what i wanted and they said, huh-uh. no. we want a book that only you could write. these are other people's stories. we want your story. so, i started to think about it. and i'm a pencil and paper person. and i just started writing and writing and writing. and then when i came back to them, i said, okay, these are the -- this is what i came up with. these are the stories that i want to tell. this is what has happened in my life with joe. and they loved it. i mean, right away, they loved it, so i knew i was on the right track. >> you write so beautifully about life's joys and losses often intermingling. >> uh-huh. >> because of joe's story and the two of you blending a family. so, let me ask about that. because when you were having a baby. and you have hiysterical storie with your mother's pregnancy, which is hilarious, which i would have said, too. i would have made her write it down. you brought the boys into it, hunter and beau. >> i did. >> i guess it was important for them to feel ownership. >> so, actually, when i thought i was pregnant, i didn't tell joe, i went to the boys and said, hey, guys, i think i'm pregnant. i think we're going to have a baby. >> how little are they? >> little boys like 7 and 8 -- maybe older, neighbmaybe 9, 10. isla i'd have to figure it out. i said let's go get a pregnancy test. joe was in the senate so i had to be careful that no one would see us. i put on sunglasses and put a scarf over my head. we drove to the riteaid, i took a prelg nancgnancy test. and when the boys came home from school, i said i'm pregnant but i want you to be the one to tell daddy. we waited and when joe got off the train and came home. they said, daddy, we have a surprise to tell you. they told joe we were going to have a baby. >> oh, my god, he must have loved that way. coming from the boys. >> and they loved it. you know, i wanted them to be a part of it. i didn't want them to feel like, oh, here's a new baby coming in, and what about us. so, it was important to me that they feel like they have ownership. >> bringing the family together. >> yes. >> also looming in the loss of a child, you write about naomi, the baby girl that joe lost in the accident. you actually speak out loud how hard it was for you to comprehends. you write in marriage, even a long one, there are some parts of yourself you visit alone, you have to see that in joe. his life has been marked by cruel losses and yet his faith in god and hope remains. after the loss of beau, are you even more blown away at how he's able to do that? >> uh-huh. at his resilience. you know, joe does lean heavily on his faith. that's what gets him through so many tough times. and i think having suffered three losses, i do marvel at it. just because now that we've lost beau and i've experienced that myself, i know how difficult that is. but that's, you know, it's just been -- i don't know. he has a lot of fortitude. he has a lot of strength. and going forward i think, you know, as we go on this next journey, i mean, i know that joe is strong. and he can handle anything that comes our way. >> everybody grieves differently. how did -- you raised these two boys. you talk about how that bond is no different than a natural born child? >> no, not different at all. as a matter of fact, i have to remind myself that i didn't give birth to beau and hunter. you know, it's just so natural. and i did write in the book where, you know, i think i never treated them any differently. joe never treated them any differently. and one day, hunter said to me, mom, i know you love us all the same because you yell at ashley just like you yell at us. is so, they didn't feel any difference at all. i think i worked hard at that. and i wanted to make sure that they all felt equally loved. >> the passing of beau, how it impacted you. you try and describe it. it's like life is never the same. and you can be happy, but it's not as pure. how is every day without him? >> well, you know, a piece of you is missing. and you just don't forget it. i mean, it just doesn't leave you. it's not -- you know, when you lose your parents, for instance, i mean, it's painful, yes. but throughout your whole life, you're conditioned, your parents -- >> the natural order. >> yes, it's natural order. but when you lose a child. it's so throws your whole life out of kind of perspective, i guess. and i never thought beau would die. i mean, throughout his whole illness, i clung to that hope that he was going to live. and they said 1% of people who get glioblastoma, brain cancer, survive. i thought why can't he be that 1%. >> right. >> and i was so convinced because he was so special that god was going to let him -- he was going to be the one. and until the morning he died, i mean, i just -- i just held on to that. and never gave up. >> moving forward, campaigning with one less biden it just isn't the same. is it in some ways for him? does he feel like there's something about him that you bring along with you as you take on this challenge? >> oh, he's with us every day. and, you know, he was a politician himself, attorney general. >> i know, quite a guy. >> yeah. when things would get rough on the campaign trail, i would call him up and say what do you think about this or that. you've got to call dad and tell him this or that. or he'd dot reverse, mom, you've got to tell dad. we leaned on one another a lot. and yes, there is always and will always be that empty seat at the table. that empty place in my heart, in joe's heart. you know, in our children's heart. our grandchildren. but i have to believe that he's looking down and thinking, yeah, mom, do this. do this. >> so, let's talk about it. before we talk about do this campaign for president joe biden, i want to talk about your job. because i love this story about your career as a teacher. >> oh, thanks. >> and this is an incredible -- i love this. it reminds me of my life. you start off by going on one sunday morning in 2004, our house was struck by lightning and caught fire and burned down. >> yes. >> it's just like another day in the biden family. and you talk, joe's on "meet the press," and you're running around, you're in your robe. the house fills up with smoke. the fire's in the walls. you're running out outside. you're shaking. you're trying to get the cat. the cat won't come out, she finally comes out disappears for three day. in the midst of this chaos, and your house is burning down. you go suddenly a firefighter came toward me, calling mrs. biden. i looked at him dreading what could go wrong, what else can we lose today? do you remember, he asked, it's harry. a giant smile across his face. he had been one of my students at delaware technical community college, yeah, harry, i said, standing there drenched. i do remember you. he was a sweet kid who had taken my class twice. for a brief moment, i laughed at the absurdity of this routine. and felt a tinge of pride that he has gone on becoming his pride a firefighter. but your pride, a tinge of pride, having students even then. what a moment. >> it was a moment. and you know, one of the things that strikes me, i mean, that was -- i mean, i hear from my students so often. they're just such a big part of my life. i'm still teaching. i was grading papers on the train that i have to post tomorrow. >> okay. >> and another funny part of that, i was so afraid to tell joe. i called beau because he lived nearby. he came running down the driveway, mom, mom, are you okay. he said, i'm fine. he said, let's call dad. i said, no, let's not call him because he's going on air. he'll be upset. let's tell him afterwards. so, we called joe. when he came home, he came walking down the driveway. i said, joe, joe, look at our house. it's burning. and he said, great. now we can fix all of the things that we made a mistake on when we built it. so, i think that just shows really joe's sense of -- >> positive outlook. >> -- positive. >> you'd be dealing with the contractors, though. >> exactly. boy, you must have been there. >> yeah, exactly. so, you felt it was important to go back to teaching even when you became vice president. >> exactly. >> to know your value, tell me why. >> well, i didn't feel like i could really just live his life. teaching is my passion. i love teaching. i'm still doing it after 34 years. and i went to him and i said, joe, i've got to teach. and he said, well, yeah, go ahead. i think you should. and i talked to michelle about it. and she said, yes, go for it. i think it was like seven days after we were -- after the inauguration. i was in the classroom. >> wow. >> so, it was -- it was really great. and not all my students knew i was second lady. >> yeah, how did that work? >> well, i tell a funny story that not everybody knew, of course. my students. i just would write my name on the board. >> dr. biden. >> just call me dr. b. i didn't say biden. at the end of the first semester, one of the girls came in for her grade conference. she said to me, dr. b., last night i saw you on the television with michelle obama. >> oh, how hilarious. >> i said, yes. and i yelled to my mom, i said, mom, you know, come here, this is my english teacher. and she came out and she said that is not your english teacher that is the second lady of the united states. so, to this day, some of my students know and some of them don't know. i try to keep it that way. >> an older student came up to you and said i know who you are. and you said, and we're going to keep it that way. that's just between you and me. let's talk about what's ahead because if you become first lady, i don't think you can be a teacher. i think it might be just too much. >> yeah, well, i would want to make sure that my students are safe. but, boy, would i love to do it. >> it's your identity. >> it is. it's my passion, it's what i love. so, maybe we could figure out some way. i'm taking nothing for granted. but if it ever happened, what would that say about the work of a spouse, right? to be working. i mean not that first lady isn't a full-time job, believe me, i've seen it up close, it is a full-time job. >> we know people who know joe biden. we know a lot of people who love joe biden. in terms of him running for president, some worried out loud to us that maybe he's too old. or maybe there's just no way he could sustain losing for a third time. so, what do you know about joe that they don't? >> joe has incredible energy. he has incredible passion. you know, joe is a unifier, i think at this time in history. our country seems so divided. and people are saying to me all time, joe has to run, joe has to run. we have to bring people together again. we have to unite people. and for those people who say joe is too old, i don't think he's too old, certainly. but they'll have to -- that's up to the voters. and the voters will make that decision when they see him out on the campaign trail. when they see him -- when they meet him at their school or at a rally. they'll make their own judgment. >> this past experience running, some would say he's a hot head. he has these awkward moments, this and that, whatever. is he wiser? do you think that those experiences have brought wisdom to his approach? you know, what's going to make the third time the charm, do you think? >> it is wiser. he's learned a lot. he's been vice president for eight years. he got a lot of experience that way. and just being, you know, times have changed. and he's been out on the trail. he's learned a lot. and so going forward i think he knows where he wants to go. and he's headed in the right direction. >> and in closings your family has been through so much, and he's going to be running against potentially i'd say dirtiest campaigner that we've seen in our lifetimes. how will you protect your family from the pain that a presidential campaign can cause? >> we have talked about that. >> yeah. >> we brought our kids in. our grandkids in, we told them when we decided to run, if you don't want pop to do this, we're not going to do it. but to a child, they said, pop has to do this. he has to be president. he would make the best president. so we will do it like we've always done it. as a family. and it doesn't mean it's not going to be hard. it doesn't mean my heart is not going to be broken when some negative comments come out about, you know, joe and i are used to it, but not the kids. and it's going to be hard but it's going to be worth it because joe's going to make a great president. >> dr. jill biden. thank you very much. >> thanks. >> thank you. thanks. >> thank you ♪ limu emu & doug what do all these people have in common, limu? 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>> that's president trump in florida sounding off about the 2020 democratic field during his campaign rally. joining us now msnbc chief correspondent and host of the beat. and moveon.org msnbc contributor. claire mccaskill back as well. claire, i'm not going to ask you to make an endorsement. >> good. >> if you were president trump or listening to president trump, who would you be most afraid of in this large and growing field? >> you know, it's hard. all of them, really, the ones he mentioned particularly. i think probably joe biden. just because joe biden exudes i got this. >> uh-huh. >> i can handle this job. i know this job. i'm experienced at this job. and joe appeals, you know, it freaked the president out when all of those firefighters were rallying for joe biden. i mean, he sees joe biden as going at his weakest place, which are working people who haven't gotten much from this guy. and so, i think he's probably most worried about joe. but he should be worried about a bunch of them. and i think we were talking earlier, jon and i about what's different in 2020 from 2016. the thing that's different is the unifying force that trump represents to the democratic party and to independent voters. there's just going to be a lot more people, regardless of whether or not your candidate becoming the nominee. you still are not going to stay home because you do not want donald trump in the oval office for another second. >> we know the president is pool obsessed. he's looking at these polls with joe biden with 20%, 25%. >> first of all, the lighting at that rally looks like the president was in a battle scene of "game of thrones." yes, the president we know, watches polls obsessively. people around him are most concerned with joe biden. that has not changed. in fact, there are top advisers that have told the president stop talking about joe biden so much. stop elevating him. stop making it seem like it's already in the general election. you're giving him oxygen here. and if the party had moved too far to the left, biden would trip up, whatever it might be, he wouldn't be the guy standing at the end. it's so early. but certainly, biden has come out of the gate at a blazing start. and that's been noticed by the white house. they feel biden is the best person to best compete in certain demographics. and geographically in those rust belt states that were key to trump in 2016. he's heavily banking on again. >> i think, kareem, the first time we heard him speak of mayor pete. the name is hard to pronounce. i guess when he gets to the premier of china that the mayor of south bend, indiana, is not up to standing up against world leaders? >> i think what he's saying, the president is scared of all them. he's been worried about biden. he's tweeted about him, really in an obsessive way as people are telling him to please stop. i think his tweets have hemmed joe biden. and he's had a strong launch and running away with it with the pack. but it's still very, very early. and the reason why i say donald trump is scared of all of them is because it is true he does watch the polls, he does watch television. and the polls show almost every candidate that is running in the democratic primary beats donald trump right now. once again, it's still very early. and we have a president who is historically unpopular. and if you look at the gallup poll ing, he's never gone above 50% which is rare for a modern day president. and even with the economy as good as it is, he's still incredibly unpopular. so, he should be worried, he's in danger of losing his re-election. like i said, it's still very early and there's a lot of work to be done. >> and he's talking an awful lot right now anyway about joe biden. ari, let's talk about the news on capitol hill. the house judiciary committee led by jerry nadler approving contempt, holding the attorney general in contempt. nancy pelosi will hold a vote at some time down the road. but what are the implications of this as a legal question? let's say the house does what the judiciary committee did, holds the attorney general in contempt? then what? is this a long protracted court fight that goes past 2020? >> if the house votes to hold the attorney general in contempt which is be the earliest on the job attorney general has been held in contempt in history, then, yes, the courts figure out whether or not they want to adjudicate this and saying effectively, apart from this clash, that they're not going to force more stuff out. so it's a very real thing. there's a lot of fire in washington. it's a very real thing that provides a mechanism when you have a clash between two executive and legislative to go to the third branch and say who's right? i think that's why we've seen such a strong response from the trump administration, they're worried, clearly, that they may lose part of this. >> you get the sense, ari, a bit that congress is looking at it with shock saying there are some rules that say you have to show up to testify. there are some rules that say you got to answer subpoenas. and the white house as claire pointed outside earlier is saying we're not doing any of that. we're building a wall around the white house and you're not getting anything. >> in fairness to trump's frustration, obviously not the first time we've seen the clashes over the limits and edges of it. it's not only democrats saying because they have disagreements with president trump, it's a historical fact that we have never seen a president take the basically nearly lawless position that there's no need to comply with congressional subpoenas whatsoever. it is looney tunes. >> on the part of the president's strategy and stone wall to invoke the executive privilege, talk about what the courts have ruled on before. like that's going to be part of this, one of the two fronts that these two are fighting in the court, what sort of precedent is there? what's the time line? >> executive privilege can be quite strong for certain executive activities. certainly, for a confidential discussion, say, around national security. and there's also a separate other related privileges that are real. the problem here is, number one, they would have appeared to have waived the privilege of a lot of key underlying material. number two, you don't need to be a lawyer. everyone remembers bill barr saying well, i've got my categories. and one of them is privacy for third parties. that may be a reasonable thing. in fact, courts might say those are reasonable redactions. but i'm not familiar with a lot of cases that say third party privacy for peripheral figures, i.e., not important people around the president, are protected by presidential executive privilege. you know, the idea that the privilege itself is going to extend beyond should i reference it -- >> senator mccaskill is watching "game of thrones." >> sorry, i don't know how it happened. >> she's watching the battle -- >> i don't know how that could happen. >> all i can tell, your phone has something fun and entertaining than our news. >> no. let me talk about contempt. i was involved in finding someone in contempt in the senate not too long ago. >> yeah. >> ceo and people at back page refused to show up for a hearing. and rob portman and i, of course, subpoenaed them. they refused to show up. we got a vote from the senate for contempt. it was unanimous. went all the way up to the courts. they appealed it all the way to the supreme court. we won. and they were required then to show up and to give us their documents. it took a while. and the vote was unanimous in the senate. what impact do you think it will have on the court that this vote on contempt appears to going to be a party line vote? i mean, does that weaken the position, do you think, ari, in the courts as to the finding that the contempt is well-placed? >> well, as you say, senator, i think that certainly weighs on part of the analysis of whether this looks like a legal proceeding to get information which is the congressional investigative power that you wielded or does it look like political effort. we do know from the holder proceeding which was more party line, that still led to a ruling that people may have heard about, judge amy berman jackson. he's a straight shooter. she's known to dig in and get to it. she still found, you know what, even though there would be obviously a whole lot of partisanship of eric holder she found that documents should get turned over and they were. by the way, the grand jury material is a much harder call. >> it is. >> and there are good reasons why all or much of grand jury material is not just handed over to the public or congress all the time. i think people know that. that's totally different than as i mentioned something that barr is trying to hide. >> and kkarine, in the mueller report, there are reasons why some of that information will remain redacted and should remain redacted. >> right, there's just so much more to that. we need to get to the bottom, it should be unredacted for at least everyone in congress. so they can see what's going on. my question to ari is so we know that the committee found barr in contempt. it's going to go to the house. they're going to vote on it as a body. what is the legal jeopardy for barr? what does that mean exactly for him legally? >> i think the legally jeopardy is low. for normal people, like the senator was talking about, sooner or later, what contempt can mean, you're jailed in realtime. if the court ultimately says turn it over you're in contempt which means you could be jailed this week, i don't know a lot of accountants who are going to throw themselves in prison to protect the tax returns or people at the irs, if it gets to that point. in contrast, people like the sitting attorney general, the president himself are not typically held by the courts to be sanctioned in realtime that way. i don't think, to put it in plain english, i don't think there's any danger here, even with negative rulings that mr. barr would have to leave the justice department tole go lgol on contempt. >> he would have to give up the documents? >> yes. 100%. >> that's really the key. he would lose a big case on the power of the executive branch. >> and that power then would remind people that this is not just fire and fury and rhetoric. there are chance here and there say rule of law system. and maybe some of what they're hiding is stuff they don't want people to know that would affect the way congress deals with open issues. again, to land on it willie, is the question what do you do about the fact that the mueller report substantial evidence that the sitting president committed in office. what do you do with that? that's the big thing? >> it could be a long road ahead. thank as always. the beat at 6:00 p.m. on msnbc. during the rally, president trump made the case between washington and beijing. >> by the way, you see the tariffs we're doing? because they broke the deal. they broke the deal. they broke the deal. they can't do that. so, they'll be paying. i just announced that we'll increase tariffs in china. we won't back down until china stops cheating our workers and stealing our jobs. and that's what's going to happen. otherwise, we don't have to do business with them. >> for more, let's go to cnbc's sara eisen at the new york stock exchange. sara, good morning. the president has promised to raise the tariffs from 10% to 25%. is that going to happen? >> so far, it's on track to lap, willie. and this just adds to the complete change in tone from the administration just in the last few days when it comes to china trade talks. he's got the tariff threat out there. so, as of now, as of 12:01 a.m. friday morning, tariff rates are set to increase from 10% where they are now to 25% on $200 billion worth of goods that come into this country from kleichin. that will affect the u.s. consumer. we're talking agriculture goods. furniture that show up in stores. prices that have been absorbed already by the u.s. consumer so that could be very painful. the rhetoric also definitely rachets up t s up the tone ahea these meeting. they do have the stop negotiator, and the market things that's very important. as for what the fashgmarket is expecting. the bottom line there is too much at take for the u.s. economy and chinese economy not to make this deal happen. but i will tell you, as of last weekend, there's a lot more nervousness around the prospects for that deal and just when that deal is going to happen. if you look at futures right now, we're looking at another big drop for stocks at the open. dow is down by 117 points. that would be every day this week, the u.s. stock market, the s&p has fallen. we're off about 2.25% coming into the week coming into today. >> the market clearly waiting to see what happens and if there's a deal in washington. thank you, sara eisen. coming up next on "morning joe," the health care debate is often defined in political terms but the issues are far more personal for many americans including for new mothers. that conversation is next on "morning joe." heading into retirement you want to follow your passions rather than worry about how to pay for long-term care. brighthouse smartcare℠ is a hybrid life insurance and long-term care product. it protects your family while providing long-term care coverage, should you need it. so you can explore all the amazing things ahead. talk to your advisor about brighthouse smartcare. brighthouse financial. build for what's ahead℠ brighthouse financial. molly: my np spends a lot of with me and gives me a lot of attention which led to my diagnosis. she initiated tests and found out what was wrong. she's treated both my children since they were born. bridgette: i feel that my np cares about me as a person and not just if i'm sick or not. molly: and i really love my nurse practitioner because we have such a strong connection. i know that whenever i call, she'll be there for me. my name is molly and we choose nps. np: consider an np. when patients choose, patients win. the pain and swelling.. the psoriasis. cosentyx treats more than just the joint pain of active psoriatic arthritis. it even helps stop further joint damage. don't use if you're allergic to cosentyx. before starting, get checked for tuberculosis. an increased risk of infections and lowered ability to fight them may occur. tell your doctor about an infection or symptoms, if your inflammatory bowel disease symptoms develop or worsen, or if you've had a vaccine or plan to. serious allergic reactions may occur. get real relief, with cosentyx. do you focus on in ttoday's headwinds?es, or plan for tomorrow? 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what is the reason for that? we think of ourselves as such a developed country and we are, especially in terms of medicine. what is driving these statistics? >> there are number of facts, complex issue from access to health care, lack of information, unconscious bias, of course. there are too many factors to name but what we want to focus on with this campaign is through every pregnancy, a mother is surrounded by her support net work, friends, family, partners. so important for us to step up and be there for her and support her. we see those folks as the first line of defense when a mother is speaking up about complications. >> talk to us about the debate where you work about health care and what this administration has done to push back the progress in terms of accessibility to health care for every american, especially their efforts to cut back on medicaid, which we know is a lifeline for so many moms to be around this country. >> certainly, we have to expand medicaid and we certainly need to make sure there's greater access, there is access to health care for all people. that's important. you're going to get sick, you need medical attention and that means you have to have that access. we've had a number of debates here about actually trying to push back on the health care that we currently have, and that's causing a lot of stress and a lot of problems in communities, particularly communities of low-wealth communities. >> yasmine, you just had a baby. it seems like you just had her. and there's so much fear leading up to childbirth and to go into it thinking you may not have all of the care that you need, that is just -- it seems like an added burden that we shouldn't be facing today. >> there's so much of an unknown in the entire situation. i think what's most shocking to me is the racial disparity, how african-american women are three times as likely as white women to die because of pregnancy-related causes. not only because of prenatal car but post natal car. because of the fact they're seeking out help for these hospitals and not being bullying. think about serena williams, access to the best health care in the system, knows her body inside and out and she wasn't even believed when she thought she had a blood clot, which she did, and they saved her life. she saved her own life because of it because she identified that. what needs to change in the health care system amongst health care professionals that this does not continue? >> the first thing we need to do is make sure we as mothers are more empowered and people around us are empowered to speak up like serena did. that was a critical aspect of her life being saved. i know my own personal experience after the first of in i first child where i was experiencing pain and unexplained bleeding and i flagged it for the medical staff, but just wasn't being believed, wasn't getting attention and and it wasn't until my husband stepped in and be made a fu made a fuss that i finally got the care i needed. so we all need to be part of advocating for mothers. >> first of all, i have to say this is a public health emergency. so i do want to thank -- i do want to thank "morning joe" for giving this air time. i want to thank mtv for the psa, i want to thank the congresswoman and her colleagues for creating the caucus. we have to really think about this. the u.s., which has tremendous resources, is a deadly place for a pregnant woman. and especially for a woman of color and especially for african-american women, black women. and that is a scary, scary thought, which is why it is a public health issue. so i want to ask the congresswoman, i know ayanna pressley introduced a companion piece of legislation to what senator booker introduced called the healthy mom act which will hopefully expand 60 days to a year after a woman has a baby. i want to ask you what are the other challenges, the systemic challenges that the caucus is going to study and look at? >> first of all, thank you for your question. thank you for your interest in this issue. as you're right, it is a paubl health emergency as far as i'm concerned. it's very personal to me as a mother and grandmother and two granddaughters and daughter who had difficulties in both of her pregnancies. as you said, it doesn't matter what your socioeconomic status is. it happens. we started this caucus with lauren underwood, a nurse here, first term in congress. we want to expand the knowledge across the country. we want to elevate the knowledge for the congress, and for our staff to make sure we understand and then to find from legislative solutions pulling together all of the partners, black mamas matter as well. because i believe that if we come to the table and we can strategies and form late solutions that will help us solve this emergency. >> all right. we're going to revisit this. this is an emergency. and it's really good that we have brought this to light and talk about it more. congresswoman ail congresswoman alma adams, and, you're not allowed to work any more today so go home. you're wonderful. >> i just listened to this conversation about maternal mortality, it's another issue in america where so many of us take something for granted that we have the care we need, access to the care we need and there are a lot of people in this country who don't. >> we have mother's day coming up. thank our mothers. >> thank you, mom. love you. >> and thank you. >> thank you, mom, i love you. i will see her tomorrow. >> definitely will. stephanie ruhle picks up the coverage now. >> thanks, mika. i'm stephanie ruhle. a lot to cover starting with our extraordinary team of nbc reporters here with brand-new information on the most important stories of the day you need to know. we will start with a republican-led committee issuing a subpoena to donald trump jr. this on the same day the house judiciary committee votes to hold attorney general bill barr in contempt of court. how about an unfriend? 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parading through baghdad, sparking fears that the country could descend into an all-out civil war. molly is live in washington with the latest are reaction from there. molly, as we know, president obama is sending 300 military advisers to iraq. but one iraqi cleric is already warning against that move. tell us why, molly. >> ar them la, high-level shiite cleric according to sky news warned on friday if u.s. military advisers come into iraq, the cleric said, quote, we will be ready for you. one fox news military analyst says this is a dangerous mission for those advisers. >> if we said them over there, they're going to make them targets. who do we know 0 in the iraqi army that isn't going to flip on them? and you have the green on blue. so that's why i'm -- then even if that doesn't happen, i don't think what they're going to do is going to make any difference because we had a failed strategy. that's what worries me. >> president obama said on thursday that he would be sending those 300 military advisers not combat troops into iraq to help with intelligence and training of iraqi security forces. they are not on the ground yet. >> molly, is president obama concerned at all about iraq breaking apart? >> yes, concerned about that and concerned about some kind of full-blown civil war. president obama says he wants to see if iraqi leaders, including iraqi prime minister nuri al malaki, can rise above religious and tribal differences and compromise. if they can't, the president said in a media interview, quote, there's no amount of american firepower that is going to be able to hold that country together. the white house says the president's top priority is the safety of u.s. personnel in iraq, but he believes that the 300 military advisers might help iraqis quell the insurgency. >> there has been an enduring military to military relationship between the united states and iraq and we're going to ramp up that support through training, through the provision of equipment and in other ways, and in the context of advisers. >> u.s. officials say there are manned and unmanned u.s. aircraft flying over iraq 24 hours a day now, on intelligence missions. >> molly, thanks so much for that perspective from d.c. meanwhile, in afghanistan, hundreds of people taking to the streets of kabul protesting fraud in last week's presidential runoff. adding to the tension, the country's former foreign minister accuses electoral officials of trying to rig the vote against him. the preliminary results are are expected to be released on july 2nd, but abdullah abdullah says he will not recognize the results. also in ukraine there is relief to report today. we're told there are no large scale fighting today. that one day after the country's new president ordered a unilateral cease-fire with those pro-russian separatists. the conflict has left 300 people dead and placed more than 34,000 others so far. separatists leaders reject the cease-fire saying they will not disarm. meanwhile, russian president vladimir putin now says he is backing what he calls an unrealistic cease-fire, but he is still ordering his troops on the week-long combat alert. nato says moscow has resumed that mill ter buildup that could potentially threaten ukraine on the border. speaking of borders, thousands of children caught in a political fire fight. they are immigrant children pouring into the united states, running from poverty and violence in central america. the problem is how to care for them as politicians bicker over who's to blame. dominic live in l.a. with more. >> well, the white house has a plan, but it is by no means a master plan to fix the united states' illegal immigrant problem. what instead on friday they came out with was an emergency plan to tackle all these children and families that have been coming acro across. this is what the plan looks like. let's talk through the bullet points, show you what we've got. it is increased enforcement of the borders. that's trying to prevent these children and families coming across. increased r ed removal proceedi the form of more immigration officials, more judges to more expediently process deportations. more judges, more attorneys to back all of this up. plus $255 million of u.s. taxpayers' money which will be spent in central america tackling security issues, providing some aid and supporting those governments in cracking down on criminal gangs that are creating the violence that is drive 0ing a lot of these people north. but the white house finally admitting on friday it's not just this violence in central america that is driving the children and adults across. listen. >> that misinformation is cau causing some people who are in a rather desperate situation to risk their lives to come to the united states border, expecting that they'll be able to stay in this country. that is simply not true. >> not true and not acceptable according to the vice president joe biden who spent much of the week traveling through central america, meeting leaders telling them how to help the united states stem this problem. but arizona senator john mccain was down at a temporary processing center for illegal il grants in nogalas yesterday. he's been saying, look, whatever the white house has come out with, it is by no means tough enough. >> his message should be, no more allowance of people to stay in this country who cross our border illegally. >> here you can see the processing centers that we have across the united states. nogalas, one in the center of the map, you've also got one in texas as well at brownsville. san antonio is one of the main permanent centers, ft. sill in oklahoma is another one and actually just outside oxnard in central california, naval base ventura. those are are the permanent ones. there was going to be another one out in virginia, but unfortunately people living in that area were absolutely adamant that they didn't want these illegal immigrants, whether they were children or adults, on their doorstep. so now the government is trying to find somewhere else to where they can put them. at least two more temporary centers needed for health and human services to house all these kids coming across. back to you. >> dominic, thanks so much. eric? workers are now cleani a greasy mess happening outside ft. collins, colorado. about 7500 gallons of crude oil dumped in the river near the town of windsor, colorado, that crude spilled from a tank, officials say the tank is on the riverbank and that floodwaters then washed away the ground under the tank which caused it to drop and break a valve. they say the oil has stained plant life down the river but so far thankfully has not yet affected any drinking water. i want some lemonade right about now. here is the good news. it's the first day of summer. not so good news in many parts of the country, facing some severe storms today. meteorologist janice dean with the details. high, j.d. >> i should be selling the lemonade outside, right? next time. let's take a look at the temperatures. it feels like summertime across much of the central u.s., the gulf coast, the southeast. a little cooler than average for parts of the northeast and the great lakes as well as the northwest. but otherwise, yes, 80s and 90s for many of you. with that, the threat for severe storms in the afternoons through the evenings, we actually have a severe thunderstorm watch in effect until 9:00 p.m. including the city of chicago. but i want to point out where we have severe thunderstorm warnings, south of the atlanta area, southeast of mont gom ary, alabama, then we have a couple of severe thunderstorm warnings south of the chicago area. that's why they've put that watch in effect for the next several hours, conditions are favorable for severe storms, including large hail, damaging winds, isolated tornadoes as well. so we'll continue to monitor this region as well as parts of the carolinas throughout the afternoon and the evening. again, we could see some strong to severe storms. we'll certainly keep you up to date. future radar will show you the threat for storms throughout the evening and into the overnight and into tomorrow. that's where we have the threat today. mainly across the central u.s., the southern plains, central and southern plains, certainly we'll keep you posted. probability for tornadoes in june, we're right on target here across the sent acentral u.s., of florida as well as the southeast. and just taking a look right now, by month, we're close to average right now. we started off very quiet, but as we get into april, may and june, things start to certainly tally up. so we'll certainly keep you posted on all the watches and warns. we had an active week this week with the dual tornadoes that we saw earlier in nebraska. so not a volatile situation but certainly isolated tornadoes are possible. back to you. >> definitely. i know you'll stay on top of it for us. thanks so much. it's been nearly one year since 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i want to ask you, why do you think the gop chose representative mccarthy? he is not a tea party choice. >> yeah, he's not a tea party choice, but on some level it actually doesn't matter. no matter who is in leadership, the party is controlled by the tea party. kantor's loss was a shot across the bow to any republican politician who might be thinking about working with the president or democrats on any issue, immigration or otherwise. and so i mean eric cantor was actually seen as the architect of party of no. now it seems like the party is doubling down on that. regardless of whether it's being led by kevin mccarthy or somebody seen as more of a tea party leader, i think they're going to go along the same path chshgs is no no no to anything the president or democrats might want. >> guy, let's look at the immediate agenda. what should be on it and will immigration reform make the cut? >> let me answer the second part of the question first on immigration. i think the answer now more clearly than ever is no. at least this year. i think that's actually the right decision politically. i have written and said on the air in the past that i am in favor of a smart responsible immigration reform bill at some point, and i think just the crisis that you guys just covered in the previous segment playing out on the southern border really underscores the fact that our immigration system is broken and needs fixing. however, it is such a toxic issue in conservative circles, dropping a daisy cutter in the party in the leadup to an election that will require unity by trying to tackle immigration is crazy politically. >> i hear your point. so what should be the immediate agenda? >> i think both parties are digging into an election cycle mentality. rare glimpses of unity and urgent action like we've seen on the v.a. reform issue and sort of those efforts. but i think both parties are going to resort to a lot of messaging voting. i would expect in the fall obamacare votes, job votes, energy votes and we'll see how this new leadership team on the republican side performs and how their colleagues look and evaluate their performance. >> i've got to go. christy, i'll give you the last 20 since i started with guy. >> sure. look, i agree. i think the next month is going to be a whole lot of nothing. that's a shame. i think republicans should undertake immigration reform and i think kevin mccarthy as a californian whose district is a third latino understands it better than anyone but i don't think it will happen. >> you know the americans are over 0 a whole lot of nothing. i've got to go, guy, christy, good to see you. thanks for being with us. >> thank you. >> thank you. it's a very small group, but some u.s. forces are going back to iraq. as we've been reporting, the white house sending 300 military advisers to try to deal with the situation. but is that enough to stop the rampaging islamic militants and should they have been pulled out in the first place? 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they? trent franks from arizona joins us now from san diego. congressman, good to see you. 300 american adviser. can that number turn the tide against these fired up, ruthless islamic militants. >> our special forces and adviser we are send having incredible ability to organize and understand the danger we face there. there is some efficacy to that. to the bigger story here, you opened the program, you mentioned islamic state of rock and syria. that really sends -- tells the whole story if we examine carefully. this administration somehow has this magic ability when it comes to the middle east or anywhere else in the world to get it wrong every time. their generals warned them that if we pulled out of rock without establishing forces agreement that something like this could happen. this isis group that makes al qaeda look like cub scouts, one of the most dangerous and brutal groups in the world. they are killing especially christians and yet, we have moan about it for quite some time. this administration simply had to read their own reports and some 10,000 operations of military capacity there and they claimed to have -- had 4,000 improvised explosive devices, over a thousand assassinations. i just don't know how this catches this administration every time. it seems like niatit is naive. >> he didn't want us there. the obama administration insisted on the parliament approving that status of forces. that wasn't going to happen. this is al maliki's fault. >> maliki is obviously a failed leader. there is no question about that. this administration projected weakness and vacillation all over the world. if you just grant me diplomatic immunity, columbine to be harsh, but somewhere on a peanut farm in south georgia, jimmy carter must be breathing an enormous sigh of relief because he knows he will not go down in history it is a most inept president we ever had. >> i want to point out you are a republic republican. republicans speaking point that out. there is an article about a secret u.s. plan to aid iraq fizzled among mutual distrust. the administration tried to do something secretly says "the wall street journal" but interest didn't work. to get your reaction. >> well, ultimately, as you know, there are your use all over the country and the world now that i think represents pretty serious danger in this country. this administration talked about aligning ourselves with iran and that will only give them additional credibility and if iran gains a nuclear weapons capability, which i think this helps them in that pursuit, we will need a new calendar. lit change our world that much. our children will then walk in and shout talk dollar terrorism. it just boggles and be wilders me. >> we have to leave it there. thank you for joining us. sfx: car unlock beep. vo: david's heart attack didn't come with a warning. today his doctor has him on a bayer aspirin regimen to help reduce the risk of another one. if you've had a heart attack be sure to talk to your 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everything there. shiite militiamen paraded through several cities in iraq showing they are ready to fight. today a warning from the shiites to the u.s. about getting involved. meanwhile, sunni militants took over another town in the west less than 200 miles from baghdad. we have the latest from the mideast bureau. >> reporter: there have been many more developments like you have been talking about in iraq as the battle continues to raging on several fronts and this as a new group is now joining the fray and this could be a problem for the united states. i will explain. first, take a look. several thousand heavily armed shiite farmers paraded through sadr city in southern baghdad. the shiite forces are supporters of man named al sadr. she aligned with sistani who said yesterday u.s. military adviser being sent to iraq would be attacked. pox is being told those military adviser have not yet arrived in baghdad. meantime, the al qaeda i willtants have taken control of two keyboarder crossings along the iraq-syria boarder in northwestern eye g iraq. this as iraqi forces continue to battle for control of a major oil refinery in the northern part of the country. that continues to be a key battleground because if isis fight were to take control of it that would continue to fuel their fight and all of this, of course, as the call for iraqi prime minister al maliki to resign continue to grow louder and at this point u.s. forces remain in the persian gulf awaiting orders from president obama about whether to start gearing up, gearing up, and getting ready. military air strikes against those isis militants. >> john huddy in jerusalem. thanks, john. accusations now of a coverup and officials lying. this part as the tea party targeting scandal has gotten bigger this past week. did you see the hearing on capitol hill with the irs commissioner the anger and accusations. he is facing questions and why more than two years worth of e-mails from lois lerner disappeared. the e-mails just happen to be covering a critical period of the congressional investigation. they say a hard drive was destroyed and vanished. more from washington. >> reporter: rithe irs commissioner remained adamant as he told lawmakers the agency is not guilty. ex-official learnes's hard drive crashed before getting recycled and destroyed. backups e-mails were kept for six months. he pointed to a report about inspector general of the freshry department concluding while agency employees had acted improperly, there was no evidence of political motivation. >> i don't think that an apology is owed. there is not a single e-mail that has been lost since the start of the investigation. >> reporter: while agency says hard drives belonging to several other staffers also crashed, a number of republicans dismissed the explanation. >> they have no credibility eith either. what's frustrating is to have the commissioner of the irs say repeatedly no e-mails have been lost since an investigation started. knowing that the targeting began before the investigation. >> the committee chairman suggests a special prosecutor to investigate the irs and congressman paul ryan told him i don't believe you. other critics say that it just means they must continue the investigation into what had see as a pattern of denial and obstruction. >> this is a pattern. that's the key thing. this isn't an instance. it is an ongoing pattern. and for obama to say there is not a smidgen of corruption in the irs destroys his credibility as well as the irs. >> reporter: the commissioner returns to capitol hill on monday for another round of questioning over the missing e-mails. >> elizabeth, thanks. democrats are standing behind the agency. they accuse republicans of conducting a witch-hunt. we go to ukraine now. a day after ukraine issued a cease-fire with pro-russian rebels. russian president putin ordering his military to be on combat alert. nato says russia is once again renewing its military buildup on the border. and in ukraine, clashes injuring nine ukrainian troops just before and after that cease-fire began. no large-scale fighting there after ukraine's president ordered a unilateral 6 1/2-day standdown. russian separatists are dismissing the cease-fire as fake. >> a deadly military shooting in south korea. defense ministry official there confirming that an army private ooped fire on his comrades. killing five soldiers and wounding five others. media reports are that soldier is still now at large and the shooting happened in an outpost near the border with north korea. so far there is no indication if north korea was involved. severe weather hammering the midwest and the northern plains. heavy rain, hail and wind. plaiding is a big problem as well with some states of minnesota. take a look at the water flowing over the banks of the river which could reach a record-level tomorrow. the highest in nearly 50 years in omaha. heavy rain vladded streets last night and knocked power out for about 14,000 homes. meteorologist janice dean standing by in the fox weather -- extreme weather center. it is extreme right about now. what's happening? >> you got it. we have the potential for more flooding you will in the areas that you saw on the video and the watches out right now for parts of missouri and illinois and including chicago until 9:00 p.m. local time where we see hail, damaging winds and isolated tornadoes. we already have severe thunderstorm warning just west of peoria and we had a storm south of chicago and they lifted that. again, very heavy rain south of the chicago area. certainly check ahead if you are flying out of chicago, flying to that city. looking at the future radar a line of thunderstorms that will push across the midwest. also, the great lakes and watching the southeast as well. another area where we could see? severe weather this afternoon and into the evening and this is going to continue overnight tonight and into tomorrow. we are talking about rainfall. flood watches and warnings and all of those areas. some n some cases we could see several inch owes top of a foot of rain we received over the seven days. not out of the question. seeing more video like what we just saw moments ago across some of the areas. moderate to major flooding over the gauges you see in red and purple here. certainly something to watch for. there is your severe threat today. again, where we have thunderstorm watch and over parts of the carolinas where we could see hail and damaging winds and isolated tornadoes will remain on alert and give thank you latest. arthel, back to you. >> we look forward to that. islamist militants said to be 40 miles from baghdad. this is as confrontation looms. 300 adviser are on their way. coming up, we will examine all of this from a former member 82nd officer who will join us to tell us what it is like on the ground. one program is helping our vets find success in the workplace. we will show you that. there is a 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>> you told us on monday because we asked you whether any other hard drives crashed. this sun believable. >> joining us now, john mccormack, senior writer for "the weekly standard." that got hot. john, let me start by asking you -- we -- your analysis of the commissioner's investigation of the events as a whole. >> it just seem to defy belief that he would lose that many e-mails from that many people at the center of an investigation. it raises a lot of red flags. he appeared smug and defiant. optics look bad. he said he offer nod apologies because they 00 lost any e-mails since the investigation began. critical e-mail years talking about are from before the investigation began. so that was really bizarre. he just seemed to be, again, very dismissive of any wrongdoing here. ryan really drove home the point, i thought, very well, when he pointed out -- let's just assume -- let's suspend this belief for a moment and accept their argument that this is accidentally lost. if you or i made that argument to the irs that we lost our tax receipts or tax documents, you know, we could be fined thousands of dollars and go to jail possibly. when the irs loses two years of e-mails, no apologies whatsoever. it looked very bad. >> some may be plausible. some of it preposterous? what do you say? talking about the explanations. >> there is a possibility but this require as lot more investigations of people at the irs. i think need to go to the -- for everyone, need to talk to guys who are working on the computers p.m. i don't think they had any reason to lie about this. but you need to get forensic analysis done on what was lost. e-mail lost from that hard drive and people -- the i.t. experts say it is implausible. not only were the hard drives lost but the backup tapes supposedly on the servers, those were tossed away as well. this does not really -- you know, does not look good. i think we have only begun to scratch the surface. i wonder if it could be a tipping point with two years of lost e-mails, any american can look at this situation and say something is fishy here. we need to dig deeper. >> if it is a tipping point, is it possible on get to the bottom of what might have happened? >> it is possible if you can -- investigate the right people. mine, i think another -- avenue to go down is to try to get access to these e-mails by, you know, subpoenaing e-mails that were sent to people in other agencies. you know, maybe we can't get the intrairs e-mails but they were sending e-mails to people in other departments, justice department, the -- maybe we can get to it that way through the back door. or there is a chance some of the e-mails were saved in backup fashion. a lot of e-mails are known to be out there in record somewhere. we don't know just yet but i think this necessary estates a lot more investigation. >> john, let's play this for a second. what if the committee hearings, findings are ultimately inconclusi inconclusive, then what? >> it depends if the american people are outraged that they called in a special prosecutor. that's up to the -- justice department to do that. if they don't want to do it, then they don't have to do it but it was outrageous, i thought, where the commissioner said we don't have enough money. a monumental waste of taxpayer money to have a special investigator on this. you know what, the irs spent $50 million on lavish conferences for the past couple of years. how about they invest insome of that money in new hard drives and special investigator and let's get to the bottom of this. >> i think you made me recall pictures some of one in a hot tub. >> that was another scandal. tens of thousands of dollars on a star trek parody video at as irs conference. they are complaining they don't have enough money to keep e-mails. i have every e-mail i have since 2005 on my gmail account. >> thanks very much. we owe them so much. many of our nation's veterans have difficulty adjusting to civilian life in their return here from overseas. in the midwest there is a new program to make it as easy as possible. >> reimburse. >> wearing a shirt and tie in an air conditioned office is quite the change for gary who is used to wearing layers of body armor in the heat of iraq. his transition to civilian life hasn't been easy. >> for about six months there, it is really just finding part-time work here and there. nothing that could support my family. >> reporter: after eight years in the army, two tours in iraq, he had the qualities, skills and abilities employers should love, commitment, working well on a team. like so many veterans returning home he struggled to find a steady job. he heard good a new program aimed at helping vets in western michigan. >> the veterans had a this h great military experience there was a chasm between taking military experience and converting that into the civilian. so we want to try to bridge that divide. >> reporter: renee dibble, who served five years in the navy is another of the few dozen veterans taking part in spectrum health's explorer's program. a 30-week paid internship program that you can spend ten weeks rotations in the network of hospitals. learning job skills along the way with the goal of landing a job. >> they immediate to do this program, they need to make it nationwide. it is a really good thing. >> spectrum health decided to expand its program to include more than 60 veterans by the end of the year. across the country, though, this is a much bigger problem with more 720,000 unemployed vets. the group hopes with the success of its program, the other businesses across the country will be encouraged to develop their own programs as well. u.s. women's soccer star hope solo is under arrest. police say she assaulted her sister and 17-year-old nephew at a suburban home in seattle. the officers responding to that house call earlier this morning on a report of a woman who was hitting people and refusing to stop or leave. police say that they found solo intoxicated and upset and the victims were injured. solo is now facing domestic violence assault charges and remains in jail. it is not immediately clear if she has a lawyer. speaking of soccer the latest now from the world cup. iran lost. a goal by argentine's star player in the final minute gave argentina the 1-0 victory over iran. now that moves argentina to the second round of the world cup. let's take a lye look now as the crowd nears the stadium. that's where argentina and iran faced off. we will be watching and monitoring the next game as germany goes up against ghana as team usa -- our guys are set to play against portugal tomorrow. for extended coverage you can be shug to logon to fox news latino.com and get the latest details and catch the reports from our own reporter who is down there reporting on the great games. >> he is working hard. good assignment. iraq is beginning to boil over with shiites parading in baghdad and sunni militants taking over. iraq war veteran brings his perspective to that crisis next. no, check this out. not a movie for a taxi driver. it is the real thing. checkered cabs and other vintage wheels roll once again in new york city. this is a blast from the past. i'm laura ingle reporting from brooklyn. they are not picking up fares. we will tell you more after the break. let me ask you a question. if you've had chickenpox, what do you think the odds are of getting shingles? 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one person who has been on the ground in iraq is republican new york state senator, iraq war veteran, member of the u.s. army reserves. welcome. you have been face to face with both sides. sunni, shiites. mine, talking about a thousand years of hatred. is there reconciliation even possible? >> there's so much distrust, resentment between both. they identify first whether they are sunni or shiite. they identify themselves as iraqis second. i think that the history the is centuries, as you mentioned, so long of the distrust through generations, it is going to be quite a challenge. i think it is a really leadership challenge that al maliki built. >> you have been on the ground and dealt with the military esches. sending 300 advisors. what type of response do you expect that they will receive and can they achieve anything realistically in an eye jake ar -- iraqi army? >> it seems like they are laying down in history when you are studying with -- u.s. went in, persian gulf the first time. when we went in 2003, we used that term army loosely. we can't compare it to our own whether it is the training, resolve, the spirit decor. they are there are so many different ways they are failing. it is allowing a group to really move free and about wherever they want all over iraq. it is a huge threat to stability of the region and to our interests abroad. and -- for all of those sacrifices that have been made by american forces through the years, lost lives, lost limbs, missed holidays and birthdays. it is sad to watch as someone that has been there and serve as major in the army rezbloyf they in the army reserves having been there, mine, what do you think they can realistically achieve? they have 300 officers, advising the iraqi military and then got al sadr on the side. his -- his folks are running around killing sunnis, too. >> it takes -- it requires incredible leadership that al maliki just doesn't seem to have. i just don't see how this particular prime minister is capable of bringing this to a conclusion that is going to preserve the integrity of the government the way it currently exists. i think that it says a lot about his leadership and his failed leadership and also the manner in which our president with drew. i think that that in many respects also -- just bled away a lot of goodwill, lot of effort that's been made all over that country with american forces working on building infrastructure. building relationships and training and not just army but also the military police. and the rule of law of iraq is eroding. and i think that in many respect it is way we withdrew and leadership we left behind issing if direct result. >> blaming al maliki not wanting to sign the status of forces agreement. and others say if american adviser had been there it could have help. we had no choice. what do you think will happen? they talk about 45 days that -- take 45 days for the political parties to get together to potentially choose a successor to al maliki if there is one. >> when they do choose someone it has to be someone who is capable of bringing everyone together. whether you are kurd, sunni, shia, if you are -- empowered with running the country of iraq, you have to have the ability to put together a coalition government that brings everyone together. or you will never have any chance of stability in the country of iraq. >> you see anyone there theoretically who could do that? it seems luc an impossible it is a. >> you know, it is one of the -- these times, these challenges, where -- that strong leader hopefully arises. every once in a while through generations you have great leaders in countries all over the world. i don't know if iraq has that person who can be able to keep this all together. the fact is that as long as is keeps moving with brute al-- bre alex kugss it is impossible to help. the ability to use resources both on the ground and in the air. we have to be willing to assist. we have to have that resolve or this will get worse. we will have more of a challenge later if we don't do what we can to help. >> you talk about the iraqi military and tremendous quick successes isis has had. having served side by side with the iraqi military. are you surprised with that? >> i don't think i am. when we fwhewent in in '91, '93 saw an army that cared about their family and there wasn't a tremendous amount of loyalty and passion for their country. they are seeing obviously what's happening all over the country. they don't want to be the next victim. so i think that there is -- huge lack of resolve on the part of the forces. i think -- isis as i they move through has instilled pier amongst any of the powers that be that would have any shot of keeping ining integrity of thi country intact. there are natural allies on the ground. there are other people who share resentment towards this particular government. want in iraqi government to fail. i think that this is going to get before it gets better and we are to do whatever we can as a nation to assist because we have resources to help. and we have spread thin 13 years of war out of military that has been outstretched and we are looking for taunt to have our -- opportunity to have our service members spend time with their pam lease and regroup and be prepared for what's next. what this doesn't require us to send, you know, 30,000 troops on the ground, this is just, i think, a limited investment of personnel but certainly a huge investment of resolve in standing with those who share this goal and, unfortunately, this whole situation in the manner with which we withdrew from iraq, the lack of leadership on the part of al maliki, we are talking to done threes hate america. >> iran is there. we are out of time. iran is there on the ground. it is a difficult situation. worse before it gets better. thank you. we want to point out in fairness you are running for congress. george dimos is one of your opponents you face in november. >> thank you. >> for more on the crisis in iraq be sure to tune in tomorrow morning for sunday morning futures. maria bartiromo. she will down with an exclusive interview with peter king right here on the fox news channel at 10:00. we are going to shift gears. really. talking about cars. anyway, you remember those old new york city checker cabs? at least you probably have seen them in the old movies, right? throwback to the long past era in the city. this weekend, those iconic checkered cabs and other vintage cars will cruise the streets of the big apple one more time. >> reporter: hi. it is certainly a very big day for checkered car enthusiasts in new york city who have come here to the big apple to enjoy and celebrate this iconic vehicle. we have cool stuff to show you. take a look at the beauties. vintage checkered cars produced by checkered motors corporation from 1922 to 1982 and kalamazoo, michigan. they are on display in green point, brooklyn. most people probably know checkered cars by the well-known checkered taxy cabs that have been made famous in tv shows and movies filmed in the big apple. they worked city streets, chicago, pittsburgh, and minneapolis. they are yellow and big and boxy and haven't been cruising the streets looking for fares in over a decade. but still people love them. >> a special look. they had the checker boards on them. they were different. it is a real new york icon. you know. it goes along with pizza and bagels. that type of thing. >> the last time an autsz enparticular checkered taxi was in 1999 which is when new york city stop tligd checkers to operate after they began to fail inspections. still collectors say that they enjoy the cars because they are rare and collectible. >> i get a lot of waves. people follow me more 10, 15 miles until i stop to get a look, get a picture in the back. car shows. it is a very popular car. every time i pull over at gas stations people come over to look at it. once they know the history they are more amazed it is a survivor. >> this car could be considered the rock star of the show. remember the tv show "taxi"? how can you forget it? this is the original checkered use in that series. can't you just feel danny did a viet owe in spirit. cars from all over the country to be here. a part of the weekend and part of the show. michigan, florida, kentucky, pittsburgh. they are all here tone joy this very special weekend. >> when you just said that, the theme music popped into my head. laura ingle, thanks so much. meanwhile, iraq, big story that we are covering all week in the fox news channel. that nation keeps them coming apart. the survey shows more americans are losing confidence in what we can do. coming up, we will have the latest survey on the president's foreign policy strategy and what he can do to try to shore up his numbers. yeah ♪ ♪ don't stop now, come on mony ♪ come on, yeah ♪ i say yeah ♪ yeah ♪ yeah ♪ yeah ♪ yeah ♪ yeah ♪ yeah ♪ 'cause you make me feel ♪ like a pony ♪ so good ♪ like a pony ♪ so good ♪ like a pony [ male announcer ] the sentra with bose audio and nissanconnect technology. spread your joy. nissan. innovation that excites. ♪ mony mony ♪ innovation that excites. ♪ have your next burger with a side of awesome. the one-of-a-kind, creamy blend of sweet and tangy. miracle whip and proud of it. that would be my daughter -- hi dad. she's a dietitian. and back when i wasn't eating right, she got me drinking boost. it's got a great taste, and it helps give me the nutrition i was missing. helping me stay more like me. 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i think that is an exaggeration but that's the backdrop for understanding all of these points. >> you think that it is not completely right to say that the u.s. is come pleat lynn appreciated around the world? >> no, it is not right at all. the american people have one view is going on in iraq now and it is a terrible mess and very important. the president's view is we should not send troops back into iraq. we should send 300 special forces there and we should take targeted shots at areas where we could benefit from it. the american people have essentially the same view. so although will is that large picture of dissatisfaction, 57% you talked about a moment ago, on specific issues, there isn't s an overlap between what the president wants to do rs, say in iraq and what the american people would like him to do. the shame of this all is that the president is taking a position in iraq that sounds remarkably at least to me what it is that president kennedy said in september of 1962 about vietnam. that it is really for the vietnamese to do this. it is not for the united states to do it. it is not for us to send troops in. that'ses enly what president obama said just a couple of days ago. you send 300 troops in, what's to say that you then send 3,000 troops in? 30,000? >> marvin the president did say no mission creep is going to happen. >> yes. that's exactly what kennedy said, too. >> yeah. yeah. it is definitely not a good situation. that's putting it mildly. i want to ask you to talk about the gop ideas for iraq. and if they are perhaps any better than the president's ideas. >> this is the point now. if you say what's the gop's position on iraq? what we have is a firmly articulated position by senator mccain. he is immediately followed by senator -- griffin of south carolina. now that is not necessarily the position of the republican party but they speak for the party. they are saying not let us send troops in there but they are implying that. they are implying a military solution is the way to go. but they are not being specific. the president is saying no military solution is going to work. it is a political problem. so you have that clear difference between the democrats and republicans but at the end of the day, neither side really appreciates and can express complexity of what's going on in iraq right now. >> what in -- unfortunately i'm going to ask you this question and wrap it for me in 40 seconds. but what is the better strategy then? how much does iran factor in? >> well, iran factors in a very definite way. overall, in my judgment only, what the united states needs is an overall long-term strategy for all of the middle east. and including iraq, syria, iran, all of the middle east. it cannot be in a position time and again of responding to a challenge. that makes the united states it is a most important country in the world. i'm proud to say that. responding to other people. we ought to be setting the tone and creating the policy that others respond to, not for us to respond to them. >> well said. we leave it there. thank you. >> can you. it was rough hair day for some pooches as they strut their stuff. one of the world's most exciting dog contests. take a look. full of faces only a mother could lov ♪ you've reached the age where you know how things work. this is the age of knowing what needs to be done. so why let erectile dysfunction get in your way? talk to your doctor about viagra. 20 million men already have. ask your doctor if your heart is healthy enough for sex. do not take viagra if you take nitrates for chest pain; it may cause an unsafe drop in blood pressure. side effects include headache, flushing, upset stomach, and abnormal vision. to avoid long- term injury, seek immediate medical help for an erection lasting more than four hours. stop taking viagra and call your doctor right away if you experience a sudden decrease or loss in vision or hearing. this is the age of taking action. viagra. talk to you doctor. mayo? 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>> reporter: carol hardon got her last unemployment check in april. >> we used to be the land of golden opportunity. what happened to that? >> reporter: you don't believe we're that any more? >> i don't believe we're that right now. >> reporter: the economy needs to create at least 250,000 jobs a month, every month, for the next four years to fully repair the damage from the great recession. and, scott, that is something this economy has never done before. >> pelley: rebecca, thank you very much. because more jobs were created than expected, wall street took that as a good sign. the dow closed up 217 points, closing above 13,000. with 95 days to go before the election, we wondered about the president's job creation record. so have a look. the great recession was still on when president obama took office in january of '09. that month the economy lost more than 800,000 jobs-- grim days. and it continued to lose jobs for 13 more months. in march of 2010, jobs began to grow. there was another dip, but jobs have been created for 22 months in a row now. still, that growth is too modest to put a dent in the unemployment rate. jobs are the issue likely to decide the race for the white house, and we have two reports tonight. first, bill whitaker with the romney campaign in las vegas. bill. >> reporter: scott, governor mitt romney came to this city with one of the worst unemployment rates in the country-- 12.1%-- and last blasted president barack obama for today's jobs numbers. >> it's another hammer blow to the struggling middle-class families of america. >> reporter: governor romney laid out a broad five-point plan to fix the economy and help the middle class through energy independence, a balanced budget, by strengthening trade, education, and small businesses. >> it will create more jobs and more take-home pay, and i know how to do that. >> reporter: but as he spoke, just down the road, unemployed nevadans lines up at the professional institute of technology for help with resumes and interview skills. >> it's diversified. >> reporter: 64-year-old vietnam vet jim hagen lost his casino job when tourism here plummeted in 2007. he's applied for hundreds of jobs. so far, nothing. >> it is frustrating. >> reporter: he's also disillusioned with president obama and uncertain about governor romney. >> he just seems like a corporate person who he was very successful running a corporation, but this is america. >> reporter: what are you going to do on election day? >> ( sighs ) well, i don't want to not vote. but, you know, it's hard to make up my mind which one i'm going to vote for. >> reporter: john wright lost his job managing a call center a year-and-a-half ago. he favors mr. obama but hates the tone in washington. >> they don't come together and take care of people that are looking for employment. i want them just to reach across the aisle, shake hands and go, "look, america needs some help. people have elected us to help and we just need to stop the bickering and go to work and help people out." >> reporter: mr. romney brought his optimistic message to this depressed city where developments like this sit unfinished. unemployed jim hagen told us that it all sounds like so much campaign talk to him. >> pelley: bill, thanks. no president since f.d.r. has been reelected with an unemployment rate this high. but the president decided to focus today on the number of jobs that were created, and nancy cordes is at the white house. >> those are our neighbors and family members finding work and the security that comes with work. but, let's acknowledge, we've still got too many folks out there who are looking for work. we've got more work to do on their behalf. >> reporter: the slight rise in unemployment was a disappointment at the white house, where senior advisers used to predict privately that the rate would drop below 8% by election day. >> any increase in the unemployment rate is unwelcome. >> reporter: alan krueger is the president's top economist. economist. mitt romney today called the unemployment rate a hammer blow to middle class families. >> i don't think it was a hammer blow to the 163,000 americans who found a job in july. the president has made a number of proposals that we believe will lower the unemployment rate, and if congress acts on those proposals, i would expect the unemployment rate to come down further. >> reporter: today, mr. obama urged congress to give middle class families more supporter by extending the bush tax cuts for households making less than $250,000 a year. republicans, including mr. romney, want the tax cuts extended for the highest earners, too. but a quinnipiac university/nbc news/"new york times" poll this week found roughly six in ten voters in three states that could decide this election agree with the president's position. >> i just think we've got our priorities skewed if the notion is that we give tax breaks to folks who don't need them and to help pay for that, we tax folks who are already struggling to get by. that's not how you grow an economy. >> reporter: white house officials argued today that we shouldn't focus on any single monthly jobs report, and that what's really important is that the private sector, scott, has been creating jobs for the past 29 straight months. >> pelley: nancy, thank you. there will be three more unemployment reports before the election. congress has gone on vacation for the next five weeks, leaving work on their desks involving jobs, taxes, and budget deficit. seemed like the kind of thing we should check in with bob schieffer about, our chief washington correspondent and anchor of "face the nation." bob? >> schieffer: scott, i have to tell you, congress managed to get through last year without passing one single piece of significant legislation. now, it would be hard to do worse than that, but this crowd may actually manage to do it. any one who has been watching television lately knows american crops are dying on the vine, but when congress left town last night, they couldn't even agree on drought relief for struggling farmers and livestock producers. >> let's go home and prepare for a farm bill debate when we come back, but most importantly, let's just go home! >> schieffer: not to worry. maybe it will rain. farmers shouldn't feel slighted, though. congress also couldn't agree on a plan to protect our vital infrastructure from cyber attack. most national security advisers say that's really important, too. and there's also a couple of fairly important items that have to be resolved one of these days: whether to let the bush tax cuts expire at the end of the year, and whether or not to block a draconian $110 billion across-the-board cut in defense and domestic spending. now, there is no word on what if anything they plan to do about those items. the truth is, no one expects them to do anything until after the election. but i have to tell you, scott, the way it stands now, if the united states capitol caught on fire, this congress could find a way to make it a partisan issue, and do everything but call the fire department. >> pelley: bob, thanks very much. don't miss bob this sunday on "face the nation." his guests will include virginia governor bob mcdonald, and retired supreme court associate justice sandra day o'connor. it is important this evening to check in again on syria. today, the u.n. general assembly denounced syrian dictator bashar al-assad's war on his own people. secretary general ban ki-moon compared the war to the genocides in bosnia and rwanda. there was major fighting in the capital, damascus, today. and in syria's largest city, aleppo, rebels with rifles are battling one of the largest armies in the middle east. it was a year-and-a-half ago that a popular uprising began to challenge the 42-year-old dictatorship of the assad family. the regime is trying to keep reporters out, but our charlie d'agata slipped in, where he met one family suffering terrible losses. >> reporter: syria's brutal war has torn the country apart, family by family. ahmed hameda buried his younger brother on monday. two days later, he buried another. "god willing," he said, "i will see them in heaven." abdu died fighting the syrian rebel in aleppo. alou was killed in a shoot-out, with the feared government militia. "he called me to say he had been hurt" he told us. "i am dying, i am dying, he said. and then he was gone." between them, the two brothers left five young children behind to be raised by the family. in syria, dying has become a way of life. it's impossible to know how many people have died in this conflict, but what is certain is many more will. and in this town, they've already started digging out graves in advance. the cycle of violence seems to have become unstoppable. when i asked ahmed whether he wanted revenge, he told us that is up to god. but something happened after his brothers' funerals that changed his mind. we learned that the rebels had captured one of the men they believe had killed ahmed's brother. ahmed showed me the place where he had taken one look at the accused man and shot him dead on the spot. he said, "i just heard my brother's voice telling me to kill him." he told me his mind just went blank. now, he said, he's ready to go back to the fight in aleppo. "god willing," he said, "i will continue fighting, never stop." and there are many more like him. >> pelley: charlie d'agata is joining us. charlie, to what extent is religion driving this war? the dictatorship belongs to one branch of islam. most of the rebels belong to a different branch of islam. >> reporter: all the fighters that we spoke to, scott, consider themselves revolutionaries, but the father in that story, the father of all those brothers, he is a sunni. his family is all sunni, and he sees this as specifically a religious war of sunni versus shia. >> pelley: charlie, very complex situation there. thank you. nasa is about to attempt its most daring mission to mars. western wildfires are burning everything in their path. and american swimmers go for the gold. today's olympic results when the cbs evening news continues. 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[ female announcer ] root touch-up by nice'n easy has the most shade choices, designed to match even salon color in just 10 minutes. with root touch-up, >> gabby douglas made history when she struck olympic gold in june noin gymnastics. we sent a reporter to the town where she was born. >> this is the place where her olympic hopes took off, excalibur gymnastics in her home town of virginia beach virginia. her talent was obvious to coach, she began coaching her at age 8. >> what did you see in her? >> incredible flexibility, very smoky and quick. good power. strong. all the attributes you would need to be an olympic champion. >> 2 years ago at age 14 she moved 1,200 mi. and a world away to i was to train with a new coach that train other olympians. she saw her mother only four times in two years. but last night, her mother was there as she vaulted into olympic history. douglas is the first african- american and only the fourth american woman to win the all around individual gymnastics gold medal. mary lou read a and was the first. >> she has inspired a whole generation of young african americans to say " i can do this to ". i get goose bombs when i say that. , they say that they can do what she did. the world is at their doorstep. >> at her old jim a 9 year-old veteran's five hours per day, five days per week, now dreams of her own olympic moments. >> how does that make you feel about your own gymnastics? >> it is very inspiring. and it makes me want to push myself harder. >> yesterday the young gymnast watch together as she gave a gold medal performance. >> it is weird to see her as an olympian and that is what people know her as i still see her as daddy, my friend. >> her friend, the olympic champion. >> it means a much, all the hard work and dedication and hard days, hard as are the best because that is when children are made because if you push through the hard days and you can get through anything. >> the discipline and driving and talent that first blossoms here is now in full bloom. cbs news, virginia beach, virginia. >> that is the cbs evening news for tonight. for all of us at cbs news, all around world, i am scott pelly and i will see you sunday on 60 minutes. good night. >> >> good evening i am dana king. >> i'm alan martin. two days after conservatives helped the company set sales records, gay-rights activists are flocking to chic-fil-a, >> they're trying to send a message to the president of the chicken chain. don knapp shows us that they are sealing it with a test. >> if you are looking at this, if anyone is looking this as to who won and who lost, you have to say the numbers are in, chic- fil-a is triumphant because a case in protest fizzled. >> same-sex couples to bring their anger with a kiss. or you could say, a " kiss in ". >> i want everyone to be ok with this, that is what every one is about. >> only to same-sex couples had arrived, one from soon city said it took a bit of courage. >> we can not here to show that it is ok to show that two women love each other or two men love each other. >> all day and prior to the kiss and there were big crowds at chic-fil-a on travis boulevard. was it politics or fried apple tree? they say they can't for both. >> we wanted to show our support but the food is pretty good too. >> support for the president of the chicken sandwich chain and then kathy tkoula opposes gay marriage. it led to a national appreciation before chic-fil-a with some help from the governor of arkansas mike huckaby. so many customers turned out wednesday that the store ran out of food before closing time. but appreciation day also generated a backlash. graffiti on this los angeles restaurant says " tastes like hatred ". same-sex marriage of big city mayors have gone on the offensive, seven >> mayor ed lee said " it closes chic-fil-a 2 san fransisco is 40 mi. away and i strongly recommend they do not try to come any closer. james croft says that politicians see an opening and are jumping and. >> they don't care. it is politics with them. they want to be on the winning side. >> the protest may have ended quietly but no one is convinced that the battle was over any time soon. >> thank you. >> new at 6 o'clock, the gas scare in san bruno could be a setback for rebuilding the neighborhood and it could spell more trouble for the contractor. linda yee is back in san bruno tonight. >> san bruno city officials are imposing extra safety measures before they will allow the rebuilding project to resume. but they're so frustrated with the mistakes that happen here yesterday, that worker is in danger of losing their contract. >>

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discussion of afghanistan. and i would add pakistan, which we talked about last time on television, and i think that's a very useful public service. >> all right. a friend of "morning joe" and someone widely considered one of the most brilliant and gifted diplomats of his generation, richard holbrooke, has died. good morning, everyone, it is tuesday, december 14. welcome to "morning joe." >> with us on set, msnbc and "time" magazine senior analyst maura calpern. and pulitzer-prize winning author, john meacham. mika, we were going into this event last night and got the news. >> we were at the apollo and about to get into a crowd and literally crossed our blackberries. >> yeah. just stunning. you know, he was 69. y had certainly seemed younger. >> full of life. >> a lot more energetic. and you can't -- john, you know, we -- a lot of people had fun at richard's expense from time to time. joe biden earlier said he was the most arrogant s.o.b., and then he goes, "he's also the right guy for the job." mika and i were talking last night, diplomats have to be big men. and richard holbrooke was and what he did in dayton can never be overestimated. >> he was the last, i think, embodiment of an establishment that he understood intuitively. richard adored politics. >> uh-huh. >> one of the things people may not know is he co-authored clark clifford's memoir called "counsel to the president." a handbook for anyone who wants to understand the practicalities of power. he was called a master of the science of human relationships. >> yes. >> right. >> he understood personal diplomacy. if he could get them in a room, he thought he could get a deal. >> right. >> he wouldn't compromise on principle, but he would get a deal. and the third i think is that he was this extraordinary humanitarian. beyond all the bluster, the toughness. >> yeah. >> he was just a terrific advocate, hiv/aids, any number of things. >> i remember him at the atlantic council event with the the president of georgia, you're much smarter about this than me. that was his approach, psychologically, you know, reverse psychology. and of course he had this fabulous ego. >> which -- and this as you are familiar -- you've got to have it. >> yeah. >> he was political. >> yeah. >> and you couldn't be as effective as he was without being political. one of the verbal jousts we had was when he was on the show and said, "well, i will let you political worry about that," sort of with a snicker. i said, "oh, richard, there's nothing political about you." mark halpern of the "washington post" reported that his last word, his family said his last words had to do with afghanistan. holbrooke was sedated, his final words to the pakistani surgeon, family members said, "you've got to stop this war in afghanistan." and there was a real disconnect between what richard said to the president and then what richard would say when he came on shows like ours because he had to do what the administration wanted. but his private concerns, he has been concerned about there war in afghanistan for a very long time. >> both richard and his close friend, joe biden, had private reservations about the policy. and as you said, in private argued strenuously for it. he cared so much about this country and the world and worked on it. he didn't shy away from tough problems. throughout his career he was drawn toward the toughest problems that america faced, economic, foreign policy, and his last mission, afghanistan and pakistan, where he did have real reservations and fought really hard and tirelessly. and a lot of people watching know him. not everybody but a lot of people. everyone who knew him was touchdo touched by his life. he's going to be missed in a lot of places all over the world. >> this really has been life's work for him. hoe jo he joined the service, went to vietnam, went to the carter white house, assistant secretary of state at 35. that's how old i am and look what i'm doing. >> you should be ashamed of yourself. >> a hell of a life. >> talk about a misspent life. >> that's a parallel. all right. >> of course, i'm sure a lot of our friends that come on, friends of the show, will be talking about richard. >> absolutely. >> and are certainly -- our thoughts and prayers are with his wife and family. she's been on the job herself. >> yeah. a lot to get to this morning. obviously big news out of washington, final senate passage is expected today on the tax cut proposal after it cleared a key hurdle last night. republicans and democrats joined forces, voting 83-14, surpassing the 60 votes needed to advance the $900 billion package. if the bill sails through the senate as expected, it would go to the house where progressive democrats remain strongly opposed to continuing tax breaks for upper income households, as well as what they call a generous 35% estate tax. the president acknowledged those concerns but urged his party to consider the consequences. >> taken as a whole, the bill that the senate will allow to proceed does some very good things for america's economy and the american people. first and foremost, it is a substantial victory for middle-class families crass the country who would no longer have to worry about a massive tax hike come january 1. i urge the house of representatives to act quickly on this important matter. if there's one thing we can agree on, it's the urgent work of protecting middle-class families, removing uncertainty for america's businesses and giving our economy a boost as we head into the new year. >> and robert gibbs, for the first time, responded to the nearly nine-hour filibuster led by independent vermont senator bernie sanders in protest of the tax deal. >> let me address -- just what you said about sanders. look, i think the president the would be the first to agree that there are -- there are aspects this that he doesn't like. rather than threaten our economic recovery, the president believed that this bipartisan agreement was the best way to go. >> you know, so much of this white house has to do with tone. and i talked to former press secretaries and former presidents over the past two years, and they all understand that the press secretary does the president's bidding. >> right. >> they've been concerned by roberts' approach the first two years. that's changed markedly since the offyear elections, sorts of this pit bull persona has gone away, and he's back to the robert that we loved during the campaign. there is -- i know the president the's tacking wildly right now, right? but just the tone. he didn't lash out at bernie sanders, and he hasn't been lashing out at people on the right. and as buchanan says, said of nixon, you know, you go out there and say what the old man tells you to say. this seems to be a white house right now emotionally more at peace with themselves. >> i think that's right. i think that -- i continue to believe and people don't agree with this, this was never an ideological white house. >> oh, you're wrong. >> i know. it just wasn't. these were not -- this was not -- >> so what -- >> i just -- >> so what was it because they were the most progressive despite -- >> they were goal oriented. >> despite what bloggers write, they were the most aggressive administration since lbj. >> sure. within the constraints that we've talked about, that the country is essentially center right. yes, they were progressive, but in context. >> uh-huh. >> and i continue to believe that it was a very successful job on the part of the conservative opposition to cast the president as more radical than he was. >> the president, i believe, is deeply, deeply ideological. and there's no problem with that. reagan, i believe, was ideological. look at the tax cut deal. overwhelming support for it. the halpern theory burst through again. but that's fascinating that you look at everything the president did over the past two years, and you don't think he's ideological. >> i think it goes -- >> again, i'm not knocking him. listen, i like people who -- >> i don't think he is a doctrineaire liberal, i don't. >> what happened the first two years? i don't want to do too much looking backward because i was talking to a senator, democratic senator yesterday, who said they're trying to figure out what he believes. >> i think what happened is on crisis footing from day one. he hitched his wagon to the liberal leaders of the democratic party on capitol hill. >> yeah. >> and dared republicans to oppose him. >> you don't think he's an ideological leader? >> i don't. >> really? i find this fascinating two years later -- >> well, if halpern says it -- >> come on. halprin is gunning for an obama interview. the first two weeks have been shameless. >> i'm calling it as i see it. >> i know. >> i think next year you will see the president prove to you that he's not a doctrinaire liberal. >> ask paul krugman -- >> seriously? no, ask him if barney frank is a liberal. he probably thinks barney frank is too conservative. >> look at the way he could have done financial regulation. could have done is in a much more liberal way. >> okay. >> financial reform, health care, stimulus -- >> don't ask, don't tell. adoption. >> guns. >> yeah. >> seriously. >> and a recess halfway through, the president evolving as he learns to deal with a very difficult opposition. >> i think more importantly, mika, than even ideology -- and we're talking about ideology -- but so much of what happens is tone. we have been critical of day one. remember carville did a push poll to see who the most unpopular republican was and they found it was rush limbaugh before obama went in there. and they trashed limbaugh. then they trashed jim kramer. then they trashed glenn beck. then they trashed fox news. this was a strategy i guess to keep the base agenda, but that isn't what got him elected in iowa. it was rising above that. i think it's good. it looks like that's what they're doing. they're going to need to keep their lead heads with this hea care. >> i think it was less to get their base up than it was to destroy the republican party. >> maybe so. >> the health care law that the president passed suffered its first major legal setback after a federal judge in virginia called part of it unconstitutional. u.s. district judge henry hudson, a george w. bush appointye, ruled that congress overstepped its authority by requiring americans to buy health insurance. >> i'm curious, and it was our staff that did it. i am curious whether there is a controversial issue -- memorial meacham, you know this is true -- they will always say a george w. bush appointee. >> you don't think it's legitimate. >> it would be and -- john, you know this to be true -- when a democratic appointee does something unpopular, they never say clinton appointee, never, never. >> why is that, john? >> mention it to me next time. >> why is that, john? >> i think that it shows a certain tendency to caricature the right. >> okay. >> i think at this point it just offers perspective as to what that judge's point of view might be. >> well, if you could offer perspective on the other side -- >> you point it out to me when we've missed it, i'll be happy to be open-minded. >> let's find out what judge hudson's senate confirmation was. find the numbers. i bet it was 90-10. >> however, since the plan's minimum coverage requirement isn't scheduled to take effect until 2014, the law is going to remain in effect while further appeals play out. >> yep. >> it is a -- a pretty critical setback. >> it is. and robert gibbs predicts the administration will eventually prevail if the fight makes its way to the supreme court. >> i love that. >> first and foremost, obviously, the administration argued on the other side of this case and disagrees with the ruling. we're confident that it is constitutional and, quite frankly, of the three courts that have rendered decisions on this question, two have ruled in our favor. >> obviously the president is going to be fighting this. the health care bill remains abc -- at least abc was reporting yesterday -- more unpopular than ever before. i don't know how much they want to weigh into this, but we'll see. mika, chris has the president's latest approval rating -- >> right. put them up again. they're at an all-time low. but they have been throughout the past many months. we've been saying on the show here, surprisingly high. what do you make -- >> it's just a snapshot. i got to say, though, i got to say and -- this is a bloomberg poll, does he deserve to be re-elected? 42%. while washington is applauding this health care bill, i've got to say even among republicans, tax cuts for millionaires. doesn't make sense. the ideologues will say cut, cut, cut, cut, cut. but republicans like myself will say, well, instead of giving millionaires this continuation of the bush tax cuts, move that to eliminating capital gains for two years or some way that's going to spur business more. i just -- i think and we've disagreed on this -- >> i know -- is it okay to take a moral stand at this time, or does the republican not say that? >> i mean, you wouldn't know, would you? but -- >> i think that when the president proposes substantial deficit reduction next year he's going to include a surcharge tax on millionaires. then he can have the fight -- >> next year? >> next year. >> why not this year? >> a couple months from now. >> next year's a month away. >> why not -- >> if you're a historian of "morning joe," you'll know that he said all summer that december it was the tough choices. this target's moving, john. i mean, mark -- >> you mean calendarically? >> i didn't go to harvard so i'm sure it is moving that way. >> he did try it with the commission, it didn't work. he's got the another chance. >> i want to talk about, quickly, we went to this great mccartney event. >> my gosh, last night. >> serious -- x.m. sirius put on at the apollo. it was a followup, just a followup. you asked me, how was his voice. because "snl," it wasn't good. >> huh-uh. >> but it was a mixing or the monitors or something because i got to tell you, i've seen mccartney half a dozen times. and last night his voice was the best it's ever been. >> and he looked amazing. >> it was incredible. >> yeah. we'll talk about that later. maybe in "news you can't use." >> it sounds like one of those beatlemania commercials. no, it was great. >> did you throw your underwear at him? >> when i go to a mccartney concert, i never wear it. >> oh, gosh. >> you know? a shoe. i threw the shoes. coming up, former british prime minister gordon brown, virginia governor bob mcdonnell, republican senator john ensign, and former white house chief of staff andy card. >> by the way, ensign voted against the bill and said it would blow a trillion dollar hole in the deficit. >> there you go. coming up, business on the go headlines. who's quietly urging senator joe lieberman to run for a fifth term? first, we'll go to bill karins with a check of the forecast. bill? >> i got new respect for commando joe. a new nickname. >> no. let's talk about the forecast. a little surprise snow for our friends on long island. heard reports of three to four inches in nassau county. new york city got a dusting. sidewalks are icy. the roads have been salted. hopefully they're okay. it's a very cold morning out there. windchills are in the single digits today. we don't even get up to 30 in really any of the big cities. watch out for heavy lake-effect snow near buffalo. one of the big stories, what's happening in florida. it's 29 in orlando, the freezing line is all the way down to lake okeechobee, even miami at the 37. damage is being done to the oranges and the strawberries and the spinach crops this morning. you'll feel it in the markets in the weeks ahead. the rest of the country, look at the windchill currently. 10 in new york. minus 6 in chicago. this right now is the peak of the 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[ laughter ] >> since republicans took to the floor to discuss the dream act and took to the floor to discuss don't ask, don't tell, i can't wait to see them take to the floor to talk about why their party hates first responders. i know what it is -- it's the calendars, isn't it, fellas? >> all right. 22 past the hour. >> boy, that's unfortunate. >> the calendars? >> no, republican senators. >> yes, that's true. you've said that many times before. let's start with the morning papers now. "los angeles times," president obama met the back-to-back champion los angeles lakers. >> there's a basketball team. >> i know that. instead of going to the white house, they joined the president for communities service at the boys and girls club of greater washington. >> that's a great idea. >> very nice. cool. >> i love that. >> cool. >> and "the arizona daily star," law of lunchrooms changed. yesterday, president obama signed into law changes to school lunches as parts of the administration's wide effort to combat childhood obesity. >> excellent. >> let me say it so you don't have to -- >> thank you. >> i'm sure willie will agree, if tax dollars are paying for schoolroom lunches, they better be healthy for our kids. >> every child deserves a good meal. >> unanimously consent. >> thank you, joe. >> nothing like a big tater tot. >> "new york times," underperforming teachers in new york city no longer guaranteed tenure. an elaborate system asks principals to vigorously rate prospective lifetime school employees on their performance in and outside of the classroom. >> i love it. >> i think -- >> outside. >> there's studies that show this other states that this makes a difference. so -- >> well, i love that. time now for your business on the go. let's go to cnbc headquarters in new jersey. >> did this in florida, as well. >> i know, that's where i saw the study. >> they're going to pass ---en the tenure in florida. >> there you go. let's get our headlines. "business on the go." nicole? take it away. how you doing? what you got? great, good morning, guys. a few market-moving reports coming out. i want to alert you to. the first polls track on inflation is coming out with producer prices. we look ahead to retail sales. yes, it's the holiday and yes, it's cyber-monday, green monday, manic monday, whatever you want to call it, but economic data of all shapes and sighs, including -- sizes, including retail sales numbers, have been quite strong. if things are doing great -- >> that's good. >> yes, "morning joe," dow joe, investors want to know, why did the fed then need to keep buying up treasuries, joe? >> i think, mika, we need to call this -- and nicole has labeled it. she's brilliant. >> yes. >> we're going to -- >> she must have gone to northwestern. >> called it the dow joe. >> that wouldn't exemplify any ego. >> no. >> it's a sort of -- >> branding. >> branding. >> brand the recovery. >> nicole, thank you. >> good idea. >> thanks. we'll see you tomorrow. you talk too much because you -- >> everyone starts talking. she goes -- we've got 12 seconds in the window. >> that's because you jabber away too much. you need to be quiet. you need shut your pie hole so we can move on. >> pie hole. do you know how to do that? >> you don't hear that enough. pie hole. >> chris? i thought that she wasn't supposed to yell at us this way until friday after the week. >> we did have that conversation. she's jumping the gun. >> really? we have, meacham, a meeting every friday -- >> no, we don't. this is an exaggeration. >> swear to god. no, chris will tell you. we sit on the couch -- >> we had one meeting. >> chris is here and i'm here. she stands over us and goes through the week yelling. >> that's just no -- >> mel gibson. >> we had one bad week where you all needed seriously to take a look in the mirror. >> it happens every friday. >> and someone needed to say it. >> chris, does it happen every friday? >> damn right i did. >> it's off the calendar. >> get ready. bundle up. >> ass whooping by mika, friday, 10:00 a.m. don't be late. >> we could just do it now if you'd like. >> no. more of an offcamera thing. >> you brought it on camera, so we're saying, why don't you wait. >> could willie tell us what judge hudson's vote in the senate was? >> okay. >> are you doing the tough -- did you just do that, meacham? >> researched in the break and got emails. unanimous consent for judge hudson in 2002. >> a george w. bush appointee. >> works for a public p.r. firm. >> john? good morning. >> good to see you. >> a few weeks ago you were ranting and rave, telling us about the grim 2012 re-election prospects for joe lieberman. >> crazy talk. >> now you say some on the hill are urging him to run. who's doing it? >> katie couric writing for you guys now? >> we hoped that you hadn't remembered that previous article. it's still true, but -- he definitely has uncertain prospects in 2012. but right here at the end of 2010, joe lieberman finds him the toast of capitol hill. two years ago, he was so unpopular, democrats didn't even want him at their weekly caucus meetings. lieberman didn't really want to go. now everybody is courting -- it's a closely divided senate, everybody, both sides, courting joe lieberman, trying to make nice. he's loving it. democrats reaching out, saying he's welcome to rejoin the party. they hope he will in 2012. republicans, even john cornyn, who heads the republican senate committee, said he's had friendly banter with lieberman. >> wow. this is fascinating because his approval rating in the state of connecticut -- i'm rounding up here -- is three. i'm just trying to figure out why either party would want joe lieberman. i'm not knocking him -- >> what -- >> no, he's -- his approval rate regula ings are low. >> it's a closely divided senate. they want him for every vote. he's loving the role of being in the middle. >> even jim dement said, "we'd love to have him," of joe lieberman. >> that's good. >> thank you very much. we'll talk to you later. >> see you in a couple of hours. coming up, an unscheduled monday night doubleheader. first the vikings lose their stadium. and then their quarterback. brett favre's streak is over. date back, 1992. >> where were you in 1992 when brett favre last did not play? >> september 20, 1992? ridgewood high school. >> were you really? >> going door to door -- >> covering bill clinton. >> what about you? >> i was covering the -- i was at the "chattanooga times." >> wow. mika? >> what year? >> 1992. >> junior high. 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"saturday night live" -- paul mccartney. unbelievable. >> don't do this to me meacham. >> okay. >> oak ridge boys, come on, man, keep up. >> garth brooks. >> andy gibb. >> no. >> singing senator -- >> we just -- >> willie wanted to -- >> are there pictures of last night? guess we won't show them. >> we would show them if we did them in a place where we were supposed to do the story. >> right. here's sports with willie. >> big baseball news. cliff lee, the most coveted pitcher in baseball. yankees, red sox, rangers, no. he pulled a fast one on everybody. he's going back to the philadelphia phillies. cliff lee, the man everybody wanted. and guess what, he's doing it for less money and for fewer years than either the yankees or rangers were giving him. >> you know -- >> turned his back on the money. >> did you read in the "times" who the last man to do this was in a big way? greg maddux, 1993. >> that's right. spurned the yankees. >> turned down the yankees for the braves. >> likes a good cheesecake. >> yes. >> they don't like it when players aren't clamoring to join the deal. don't feel bad, five years, $100 million. yankees were offering seven years, $150 million. lee was on the phillies in 2009 but was traded to seattle so that the phillies could bring in roy halladay. so the philadelphia rotation, roy halladay, roy oswalt, coy h hamills and cliff lee. >> if those guys stay healthy through the year, who beats them? >> red sox-phillies. two great lineups. let's talk football. yesterday we showed you pictures from minneapolis. sunday the roof gave. caved in at the metrodome in the twin cities. giants and vikings were supposed to play there, but they had to move the game to detroit on a hand night. but the big news last night, the streak officially over. brett favre declared inactive for the game between the giants and vikings because of a shoulder injury that ends his consecutive game starting streak at 297. the largest in nfl history. he last missed a start on september 20, 1992. unbelievable. on the field, the giants running all over the vikings in detroit. here ahmad bradshaw, 48-yard touchdown run. giants beat minnesota 21-3. they're tied with the eagles in the nfc east. after the game, favre looked back on his streak. >> i think as a kid, goals, dreams, i far exceeded all those that i had. so i never dreamed of playing 300-plus straight games. i just dreamed of playing in the nfl. >> favre wasted no time capitalizing on his streak. as soon as he was announced inactive, his official web site began offering signed footballs inscribed with the number 297. a nice stocking stuffer at $500. >> let the me ask you this, i'm just curious about this. these guys -- and i don't knock them making all the money they make because, guess what, it's a free market. and if people are going to pay -- why do they like sign footballs and -- he's got all the money he's going to ever need. right? >> it's a little pathetic that he's doing it. i get why some of the old-time players did it, they didn't make the big money. they can make money now. brett favre doesn't need it. >> i never understood why people did this. >> make more money. get a taste for money, i'm told. >> you know what? it's the republican tax cut. the obama tax cut. >> appointee. george w. bush. >> a tax cut for millionaires he gets to keep 65% of it. >> the other game, ravens kept it in the third quarter, then in the fourth back come the texans. with a few seconds left, the quarterback rolls right, finds andre johnson who gets it to the end zone. great catch, boom. texans get the two-point conversions, tied it at 28. pushed it to overtime. you hate to see a game end this way after a nice comeback in. overtime, dropping back. just can't throw this one, young man. right into the waiting arms of josh wilson. walks it in for the game-win be touchdown. 34-28, ravens win, 9-1. one game behind the steelers. >> quick football question. if you didn't reside in texas or baltimore, why would you watch that game? >> a lot of people like watching ray lewis, the ravens defense. >> when they hit -- >> didn't do that. >> what? >> kill anybody. >> i was talking he hit so hard, man, he's going to kill him. >> you watch for the love of of the game or because you had money wagered on it. >> that's it. >> seriously -- >> what else, willie? >> many, many people watch for money. >> keep it moving on. auburn quarterback cam newton -- >> has he been arrested? >> won the heisman. taking some victory laps in new york city last night on "the late show with david letterman" doing the top ten. >> top ten things cam newton can say now that he is your 2010 heisman trophy winner. number three -- >> i'm not playing in the national championship game. i have a math quiz the next day. >> a math quiz. [ applause ] >> it's a quiz. number two -- >> even i have no idea how the heck this bcs works. >> yeah. nobody knows. and the number-one thing cam newton can say now that he's won the heisman trophy -- >> need to see i.d., how about this -- [ applause ] >> yeah. >> that's nice. >> cute. >> cam newton. >> i'm serious what you -- >> he seems like -- what's the deal? >> what do you think? >> you know, he didn't know anything. it was just his father. these things happen so fast, joe. as you know. up next -- >> right. >> the best. >> you turn around -- >> that's right. who would have seen the ncaa investigators coming? they've been swarming the campus for five years, pete carroll was shot. seriously. are they going to find -- anyway. we'll see. >> there's a lot of smoke. >> i wish him luck. >> he's a great athlete. >> he should go pro and put it behind him. >> yeah. quickly. up next, embattled rnc chairman michael steele announces he will seek re-election. >> that's not going to go well. >> his reason for running coming up. and mika's opinion pages. ♪ [ male announcer ] open up a cadillac during our season's best sales event. and receive the gift of asphalt. experience the cadillac of crossovers, the striking srx. it's the one gift you can open up all year long. see your cadillac dealer for this attractive offer. backed by the peace of mind that only comes from cadillac premium care maintenance. the season's best sales event. from cadillac. 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"gop budget hawks chicken out early." how could republicans who campaigned on fiscal restraint eagerly champion a stimulus bill that puts us deeper in debt than the one nancy pelosi drew up in 2009? easy, the president waved tax cuts in front of republican leaders like pavlov's dogs. they began to drool when the salivating stops, america will be $1 trillion deeper in debt to china. are you surprised by their duplicity? after all, in 2001 republicans inherited a $155 billion surplus and turned it into a $1 trillion deficit. for now. there is little difference between republicans and democrats when it comes to taking care of this country's long-term fiscal health. i wish both parties, both parties, the best of luck in the 2012 elections. judging from last week's pathetic performance, they will both need it. so what i asked when you were writing this is what would you have done differently this time around. and you did have an answer for that. >> sure. i mean -- i talk about it in the piece. you send a message to the bond markets across the world. you send a message to everybody, to our allies and our foes alike, that we're not going to be like greece and ireland. we're -- if we're going -- we're going to extend unemployment benefits, we're going to pay for it. if we're going to extend tax cuts, we're going to pay for it. we haven't done that. and these republicans that come on this show and say you got to pay for unemployment benefits but you don't have to offset the $600 billion or so in revenue that you're going to lose, that the cbo says you're going to lose to tax cuts are reckless. i want to call out charles ch t krauthammer, the first to call this, other than us, president obama's economic stimulus package. john ensign said he couldn't vote for something that blew a trillion dollar hole in the deficit. coburn, ensign, demint, and voinovich. >> there you go. your honor roll. >> an honor roll of five. seriously, the hypocrisy of it, john meacham, is stunning to me. another trillion dollars. now i thought the first stimulus package was bad because they added $800 billion. >> right. you're right. >> there you go. >> i bring a pulitzer nobel peace prize winner on. that's all you got for me? >> you should take it and run. >> exactly. i wouldn't mock that. still ahead -- no. >> a comment about what are the republicans thinking? >> it's happening in three months, joe. just be -- >> my gosh. okay. still ahead, former white house chief of staff andy card will be on the show. and willie, what's next? >> good times. remember 1977? bing crosby, david bowie? >> great. >> getting together around the piano. we've got an updated version for you. ♪ [ male announcer ] if you've had a heart attack caused by a completely blocked artery, another heart attack could be lurking, waiting to strike. a heart attack that's caused by a clot, one that could be fatal. but plavix helps save lives. plavix, taken with other heart medicines, goes beyond what other heart medicines do alone, to provide greater protection against heart attack or stroke and even death by helping to keep blood platelets from sticking together and forming dangerous clots. ask your doctor if plavix is right for you. protection that helps save lives. 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[ scream ] >> that was hard to believe it was two years ago. >> two years ago. >> what a day. >> that's actually how haley barbour's confidante joe -- >> joseph. >> how he spend his birthdays with a shoe on a birthday cake. >> ducking shoes thrown at him by friends and neighbors. happy birthday. >> happy birthday, joe. >> happy birthday. >> we're going to "the view." >> want to do "the view"? >> john boehner, we played the clip. he was weepy. fine, leave him alone. >> an amazing story. he is an -- >> there's a point to be made that i think you will like, what if nancy pelosi had gone through and sobbed? let's watch. let's watch. >> you could not keep -- he could not keep himself from getting really emotional. take a look. >> this guy had an, emotional -- has an emotional problem that every time he talks about anything that's not raise taxes he cries. and if you had seen nancy pelosi all these past years crying, what would you say? >> she's weak. can't handle the pressure. >> so when -- i hope he's a good speaker of the house. he's got a problem. >> i think that it's interesting to watch him cry. there's -- i've been watching him now. we call him the weeper of the house. and he -- he cries -- >> there you go. >> tough. >> what do you think, mika? he ought to be able to cry if he wants to. a free country. >> i wouldn't do, it but you know -- >> it's a little glenn beck-y. no, that's fair. it is -- it is i -- i think that there is a modicum of realty and a modicum of letting it happen. >> you can't do that. what do you think this is, "broadcast news"? >> you think he's faking it? >> no, i think he doesn't hold back because he had an incredible story and it's emotional. i think the point about nancy pelosi is fabulous. kind of writing a book about this. i got to tell you. there are different rules for men and women. while crying for him can be effective, it would not be for a female politician. at all. maybe once. maybe hillary in new hampshire was okay at that time. but it wasn't. it was picked apart. >> what faif boehner tried to wr three-inch heels? >> come on. >> not a good point. >> come on. seriously? give him a break. let him do it if he wants to. i think it helps actually with the swing voters. do you remember 1977? let's look at the this photograph right here. this was a magical moment in the history of christmas, if i may be so bold. >> you may. >> bing crosby -- >> that was david bowie's android stage. >> bing crosby on the right, david bowie. an unlikely duo getting together to sing "little drummer boy." right before crosby's death in 1977. >> a month before. >> yesterday, will ferry, john c. riley, partners in crime, came out with a shot-for-shot remake. same lines -- >> spooky. >> same home. same everything. john c. riley as bing crosby. will ferrell as david bowie. ♪ our newborn king to see pa rum pa pum pum ♪ ♪ our finest gifts we bring pa rum pa pum pum ♪ ♪ pa rum pa pum pum ♪ peace on earth ♪ pa rum pa pum pum ♪ can it be >> pretty little thing. >> nice. >> bobby, you have a merry christmas. >> it's bowie. david [ bleep ] bowie. >> and it's bing [ bleep ] crosby, pal. >> um -- ♪ >> it is amazing. going watch this and then watch the original one. it's amazing. >> that was the only part that was different. >> by the way, if you don't have an itunes, get the original song. one of the best ever. >> yeah. up next, senator john ensign of nevada and andy card next. etfs? 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>> well, and that's exactly the problem is that we have a short-term mentality in this country instead of a longer term mentality. short term, is this going to help the economy, yes, it is. no question it will short term. but the longer term effects to the economy because of the extra borrowing, the higher interest rates that we're going to have to pay, moody's just threatened today to downgrade the united states bond rating. that means that we'll pay higher borrowing costs. we're already paying over $200 -- >> john, let me ask you, did they just do that? did moody's just do that in response to the vote? >> yes. exactly. and they actually said because of this tax bill, that moody's is threatening to down grade our aaa rating which is disastrous. >> can i ask you something? you get it. tom coburn gets it. jim demint gets it. voipvich gets it. who am i leaving off? >> romney, sarah palin -- >> sessions gets it. this isn't that difficult. we've got examples of greece, ireland, closer to home, california. what don't they get on the hill that awe keyou can't keep borro trillion dollars? >> what should have been done? what was a better option? >> well, there's no question we should not be raising taxes on anybody. i think we can all agree on that now during an economic downturn. but there's new taxes in this bill, there's spending in this bill that should have been offset. we should have at least said to the world, we're serious about deficit reduction. well the's do a couple hundred billion dollars in offsets, spending cuts. go back to the 2008 levels. tom wcoburn and i have co-parre legislation, we're hoping -- co-sponsored legislation, we're hoping to get an amendment, programs at the bush administration and the obama administration, waste programs. there's literally over $100 billion in cuts that we can make. wasting government spending. you all hear about wasteful government spending, when it comes time to vote on it, the people seem to hide from the votes. we need to get serious about deficit reduction. >> no doubt about it, amen. charles krauthammer called this a second stimulus package and said there were egregious examples. i think he talked about a windmill subsidy or something like that. i mean, why would people -- >> well, there's ethanol subsidies in there. there's all kinds -- even the payroll tax, whether you agree or not, that's a new tax cut that should have been paid for. if you want to do this, this is different even than it was ten years ago. we have a $14 trillion debt. we're seeing economies around the world where they've taken on too much debt and are starting to collapse. the difference with the united states and countries like greece and ireland, we don't have the european union to bail us out. if we go down, the rest of the world's economy comes down with us. and that's why we have to get serious about this debt. this debt can literally destroy this country. >> it can, and andy card, when we start going over that cliff, it all happens very quickly. i want to talk about hypocrisy now on the democratic side. for eight years, we've been hearing that the bush tax cuts destroyed this country in every way imaginable. over the past week, we've had the democratic president who ran against bush tax cuts embracing them and saying that if we raise taxes, it would destroy this economy. >> well, first of all, it was important for congress to -- and it is important for congress to finish acting this week to -- hopefully today and tomorrow, to put these tax increases on hold because that's what would have happened. the taxes would have gone up for every american. and this compromise is not the best, but it's good. and perfectly good is what we need right now to stimulate this economy. >> are you not concerned about the fact that as senator ensign reported right now, moody's has already downgraded us. our threat -- threatened to downgrade us because they've added another trillion dollars to our debt? >> that assumes that we're going on spend all the money that we are taking -- going to spend all the money that we're taking in. i think congress should say, we have cut taxes, we've got to cut spending. there will be opportunities for congress to cut spending over the course of the next three years. >> why haven't they done it up until now? >> hey, first of all, we don't have the right congress there to cut spending right now. we're going to have a different congress in january. on january 3. it's going to make a big difference. so yes, i'm supporting the discipline that senator ensign wants to bring to congress. i think that discipline will show up in january. it's not there today. and i would have preferred a better deal. but this is a perfectly good deal. >> okay. so joe, forgive me, but if -- i'm reminded correctly, when the president was pushing through the stimulus, the big argument on the side of the republicans was how are you going to pay for it, how are you going to pay for it. why aren't the republicans asking the same question about their own policies? >> we heard for two years that the stimulus bill was reckless -- >> right. >> it spent too much -- >> uh-huh. >> put us into debt. >> that's correct. >> it was called the pork-ulus spending bill. and it was $800 million. >> how much is this? >> this is $950 billion. >> where's the outcry? >> john ensign, where's the outcry? >> listen, i was criticizing republicans during the bush administration. president bush had the right tax policies, but we spent too much money during the bush years. and it wasn't nearly as bad. you said that democrats ran against that. i mean, that was mild compared to what we've had for the last couple of years. but when are we going to get serious about this, you know, spending cuts? everybody talks about it, in generic terms. but when we actually get specific with spending cut proposals, i have been offering amendment after amendment for the last couple of years, and we get, you know, maybe 20, 25 votes. i don't care whether it's republicans or whether it's democrats. the debt is an american problem, and we need to look at it as americans and not as republicans or democrats and who has the political advantage or not. we need to get serious about this because we are going to destroy the very country that has been so good to all of us. admiral mullen, the chairman of the joint chiefs, said the greatest threat to the united states is not from al qaeda. it's from our debt. because if we have too much debt in this country, we cannot project the kind of military force that we need to in the world. we cannot have the kind of foreign policy that we need. because we don't have a strong enough economy. this debt can be a serious, long-term threat to our economy. >> it is. >> and that's why i don't think that we should have gone forward with this stimulus bill the way that it is. we should be cutting spending at the same time as keeping tax rates the same. >> let's bring in -- i couldn't agree more, john. john meacham. >> i want to ask andy, the senator said we spent too much money in the bush years. you were there. do you agree? >> in part, yes. i mean, we also had to build our way out of a recession by cutting taxes and stimulating the economy, then we had that horrible attack on september 11. and we had to mount two wars or at least a war on two significant fronts, afghanistan and iraq. and there was a lot of spending done there. and yes, the president pushed through medicare prescription drug coverage for seniors. he also pushed through education reforms. and yes, congress was predispoed to spend more than even the president wanted. so, you know, it was a spending time during the bush years. even though the president tried to bring discipline, and i think he did in a number of areas. >> wait. andy, i've got the to stop threw, buddy. we fought two wars. we had two massive tax cuts. we added $8 trillion to a medicare system already going bankrupt. with the largest increase in domestic discretionary spending since lbj. we had the largest increase in military spending since lbj. there -- the recklessness during the first six years of bush -- >> was not reckless. >> it was ugly. >> that's not a credible statement. >> what do you mean that's not a credible statement, andy? it's a matter of record. >> first of all, you fight a war to win a war. you support the troops that are out there fighting a war. >> do you pay for wars or do you just borrow the money from the chinese to fight your wars? >> you fight the war and then you worry about paying for it. >> is it the same with tax cuts, andy? do you give tax cuts while you're fighting wars and worry about that later, too? >> the president inherited a recession. and then we had the shock of september 11 which created another recession in our country. the tax cuts came at the right time to keep america working. >> so you don't pay for it there either. what about the $8 trillion medicare drug plan. do you pay for that or say you know what, we need seniors voting for us, we'll add $8 trillion to a medicare system that's already going under? >> it was a social reform that was important. congress wanted to do even more than the president the wanted to do. i thought the president was restrained and -- yes, it was historic. >> there's always something. >> well, so and now we have barack obama coming in -- >> there's always something. >> we have to pass a stimulus bill and these bailouts are -- we got to pass a stimulus bill and we've got to pass a bailout bill. we've got to pass -- >> senator ensign -- >> and that bills -- >> we need more discipline in washington. i want government to work. i'm optimistic that the republicans that will take control of the house will give more backbone to the congressional branch. >> well -- >> of our government. and hopefully cause the president to wake up and deal with the realty of the economic crisis. >> let me ask john ensign. john, it is a matter of historical record that republicans took $155 billion surplus and turned it into a $1 trillion deficit. they doubled the national debt during the bush term. is there any reason why we should believe as small government conservatives that these republicans coming in are going to be any different? >> i think what you saw in the election, that republicans better have learned their lesson because i agree with you, by the way. i voted against the prescription drug bill. >> thank you again. >> you forgot the to mention farm subsidies and the like. there were a lot of things i wish the president would have been stronger on, cutting spending. andy card's right, 9/11 devastated the economy. i think the tax cuts were the right policy. at the same time we should have been cutting spending at that time, not adding a new entitlement. we got the thrown out of office because we violated our principles on spending. we were supposed to be fiscal conservatives, and we were not during the -- during the bush years. and we need to get back to that. that's what i'm saying is, okay, we made mistakes in the past. let's admit the mistakes. but let's go forward in a better way. let's take this new freshman class that's coming in. both in the senate and in the house. people who ran on fiscal discipline, who said washington doesn't get it. there's too much spending here. and let's join together and actually start getting our books in order and get back to where we're not just putting more and more debt on to our children and grandchildren. >> all right. senator john ensign, let's hope it happens this time. thank you very much for being with us. andy card, let us come together. let us talk about something we can agree on, and that is the boston red sox. >> all right. >> we're looking good, right, bud? 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>> let me say the first thing, i think they're serious about moving forward on spending. but i've been hearing this for a long time. you've been involved a long time in politics. >> right. >> the reality is in the last 50 years, they've only balanced the budget five times. but yet, 49 out of 50 governors have to balance it. mayors, county -- >> what's the big difference? by the way, mika, you know i don't like talking about myself. >> no. >> four out of five times that it was balanced, i was there. so what -- >> almost -- >> what restraints did governors have on him that congress does not? >> well, because we borrow from, as you mentioned, from the chinese or anybody else. it's like crack-cocaine, we are hooked on credit. that's a bad thing. people, businesses are, and the government is. and if you look at the that, for example, we had $70 billion budget four or five years ago. they're down to $58 billion, $60 botto being. they're making hard choices. >> we voted for the balanced budget amendment, it came up one vote short. you introduced it the balanced budget amendment, will it work? >> i think so. everybody has a reason why they ran. i'm sure you had a reason why you ran. my number-one reason was spending. it was out of control. my first year in, we did $2.7 trillion in revenues. revenues were up 10%. yet we still overspent the budget, $130 billion. now fast forward four years. a trillion four last year, a trillion four this year, a trillion four next year, we need a constitutional balanced budget amendment so if you take in $3 trillion, you spend $3 trillion and gives the taxpayers the best deal. >> you pass that in the house in '95 and came up one vote short. chuck todd will tell you why i went to congress because he was reporting on mow then. it was because i liked the ties with the congressional seals. they're green -- >> made you feel important. >> so important. >> the voting cards, too. they get you free drinks. >> free drinks. >> at the old ebit i think. >> exactly right. so this bill is going to pass through the senate, obviously. and what about the house? is it clear sailing for the president the? the republicans? >> it's not clear sailing but you see a path on how it gets through the path. the rhetoric changed in the last 48 hours. last week, house democrats, a lot of the progressives in the caucus, they were upset not just about the estate tax but about extending all of the bush tax rates. well, now they're just going after the estate tax deal. the fact that they've narrowed their focus -- >> why is that? >> i think one is they think that's -- they've at least looked and said, well, maybe they have a shot at dealing with that. although i don't think that's true. i think the fact that john kyl, a part of s.t.a.r.t. and a part of this deal on the estate tax, is signed off on it. i think that's why you have a lot of democrats, a lot of senate republicans in the white house saying, you know what, the framework is the famework, you can't mess with it. the white house is saying let's go after this part of it. in an odd way, i think that undercuts their argument by only going after that. >> right. >> then they're basically saying, well, we're just looking for the path of least resistance here in trying to impose this thing. >> can i ask you a question as our political director and as nbc's's political director -- nbc news' political director? the polls show most americans don't support tax cuts for people making over $1 million. yet polls out this morning show overwhelming support overall for this tax bill. what's going on here? >> look, the fact is it's how you ask the question and how many -- there is not a majority for any part of this -- of extending the bush tax rates. we did it four different ways. you have about 25% of the country that's extend them all. you have about 25% that says, you know what, scrap them all. and then you have the other two 25%s that are somewhere in between that. so, you know, that's why you're not seeing -- you're not seeg a definitive way in either direction on these tax cuts. then on the deal, look inside the numbers, joe. yes, it's a classic mile wide, support is mile wide, but it's only an inch deep. nobody's emphatically in favor of the plan. they're like, you know what, i don't hate it, fine, and you know, i do think there's a sent. here that says, you know what, wow. an actual bipartisan plan, even if i'm not crazy about it. there's that sense of relief -- >> people working together. >> with that attitude, though, i don't understand -- and with the numbers that you put out there, and i know it's about the question and how the question is asked. i don't understand, mark pal pri -- mark halprin, why a compromise couldn't be sold, at least to have the filthy rich -- >> don't talk about him. he's right here. >> wouldn't it have been the right thing to do especially since the very rich are doing better than ever? >> define filthy. there are people in the white house think that taxes shouldn't be raised on anyone. >> i know, but why couldn't we sell a compromise on that? >> the republicans in the senate wouldn't go for it, and the president wanted quick action. it can be revisited next year. >> say you had the balanced budget amendment, what are the elements of the buchanan plan to cut the spending that would be sufficient to bring down the debt and deficit? what are the elements? what are elements of major cuts you think we need to see? >> i think over a period of five years, it needs to be phased in. it's not something you'll do overnight. everybody comes together and decides that. if you take in $2.7 trillion, it's like florida this year, say they take in $60 billion, they've got to make the hard choices. >> what are your hard choices? what are the things you want to cut to reach the deficit reduction levels you'd like to see as a balanced budget? >> i would have everything on the table and look at every possibility. >> it's on the table today. you know what the elements of the budget are. what are the things the buchanan plan, once you have a balanced budget amendment, your hand is forced. what do you want to cut? >> i think the discretionary spending that's out there. it's clearly got to be looked at. it's a small part, but they're talking about 5% cut in terms of -- of members of congress and what we're going to do up there. there's a lot of things along that line i think we need to continue. >> do you agree with marco rubio that the big issue or entitlement program, social security, medicare, and we're going to have to look over time at -- as marco said. say you're in the 40s. telling people in their 40s you're not going to get your social security until you're a little bit older? >> i not there's no question of the viability of social security. i'm in a district that has more seniors than anywhere. have almost 292,000 seniors. there's a lot in florida. i think the bottom line, we've got to figure out a way to make it viable long term. because people are living longer, medicine's better, prescription drugs. my father-in-law passed away a year ago at 90. and, you know, a generation ago he might have passed away at 70. we have to look at this and come together on a bipartisan basis and address it because it is a big issue. governors are talking about like medicaid. it's just busting the budget with all the governors. >> medicaid, medicaid is going to wipe these state governments out. >> and chuck todd, real quick before you go, obviously a virginia judge has ruled that part of the president's health care plan is unconstitutional. is there a strategy to counter this? >> well, that will be interesting to see. we haven't seen a lot of pushback. we've seen a little from the white house. i think they're trying to take the long view, trying to say, hey, you know what, we've won two court cases. this is the first one we've lost. yes, it's a big p.r. blow. and they have to deal with sort of -- they've got two problems here. they've got the legal issues that they've got to deal with, but they also have the public relations issue on this. i mean, the conservative movement yesterday seemed more excited about what happened yesterday than on election night. by the way, guys, one thing i want to put out there, i know governors get a lot of credit about balancing the budget. let's remember they do it on the backs of the federal government. most of these states balance their budget by basically begging for money from the federal government. and it's a -- that's the -- an issue here that i think in a way we don't deal with and states don't deal with enough. they don't really -- many states don't really balance their budget with the revenues that they get in. they're begging for federal dollars. >> but it's certainly gotten worse in recent years. and john over the next couple of years, this is going to be the big crisis, california's going to need a bailout. new york's going to need a bailout. a lot of states are in terrible shape. >> it could be the great crisis, the depression we missed. and the problem with seemingly simple fixes is they aren't because a balanced budget amendment in the federal government sends everything back to the states. the states, as chuck says, look to the federal government. this is about controlling our appetites. >> i've got to say, though, the thing i like about the balanced budget on the federal level is that when the federal government's credit rating goes down, everybody collapses. overnight. >> all right. >> i think the brutal -- the brutal choices are going to be made on the state levels or else if we don't start balancing our budget, we've got ireland and greece to look at. >> great. got to go to break. chuck todd, thank you very much. you can catch cluck and savannah on "the daily rundown." and congressman vern buchanan. mr. ways and means. when it comes to investing, no one person has all the answers. so td ameritrade doesn't give me just one person. questions about retirement? 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bob's for jobs. what are you for? >> i'm for jobs, i think. >> really? >> i created 20 jobs right here. >> okay. >> you did. >> 20 -- more than us. wait a minute. >> he does have more than us. >> did you just say 20? what number -- >> i don't actually know all of the staff. so that's just a guess. there's a lot of people -- >> there might be more? what are you saying? >> he outed phil griffin. let's go to bob mcdonnell. bob, news out of your state yet, the health care law ruled unconstitutional. tell us about it. >> well, we were really happy with that decision. i had signed a bill back in march saying that it was illegal to force citizens of virginia to buy a product of insurance or get fined. and shortly after that, the bill passed and we filed suit. and the central contention of the lawsuit was that the commerce clause of the u.s. constitution is not so broad, that gives congress the ability to force a person to buy a product of insurance or suffer a penalty. meaning get fined. that's exactly what judge hudson ruled yesterday in his decision striking down that part of the law, saying it's unconstitutional. we think that's exactly the right decision. but ultimately that will be decided in the u.s. supreme court. but the judge's ruling is a good start. >> do you think governor -- i'm going to you ask to be a pundit. do you think it comes down to like many cases how anthony kennedy feels the morning he wakes up before he makes his decision? i would guess it's going to be a 5-4 vote, wouldn't you? >> well, i think justice kennedy's a lot more thoughtful than that. but i would say that i would expect a close votes. i tell you what we're trying to do, we send a letter to every governor in the country asking them -- i sent it last week. asking them to, regardless of what they thought about the health care law itself, is to join me in asking the supreme court to take the case directly. in other words, have us bypass the circuit courts of appeal, go directly to the supreme court. i hope the justice department will be open to doing that because we need to get certainty and finality in this suit. and know exactly what the law is going to be. don't waste another year or two years in litigation. let's get to the supreme court where everybody knows it's going to be. i hope we can get that done and get certainty for the businesses and the health care community. >> lawrence, what do you think the possibilities are that you could actually have this law overturned as being overly broad? >> i think it's unlikely to be overturned. not based on the commerce clause. i am not an expert on the commerce clause. >> right. >> you don't hear me say i'm not an expert on much. but the real linchpin of the bill, and of this provision, is actually the tax code. it is the power to tax because the individual mandate is enforced through the tax code. judge hudson was very dismissive of the tax provision in here, which is enforced through the irs. >> yeah. >> calling it a penalty instead of a tax. now, it is money collected by the internal revenue service through -- through a provision that will now exist on your tax return. for him to simply say that is not a tax, i don't think will hold up long term. i think he may very well be sustained on the commerce clause interpretation. >> you know what was fascinate being this is the -- on the tax issue, the president told george stephanopoulos this is not a tax. >> it is a tax. >> let's run the president denying that this health care bill contained a tax. >> under this mandate, the government is forcing people to spend money, fighting you if you don't. so how that not a tax? >> well, hold on a second. for us to say that you've got to take a responsibility to get health insurance is absolutely not a tax increase. >> merriam webster's dictionary, tax -- a charge usually of money imposed by authority on persons or property for public purposes. >> george, the fact that you looked up hmerriam's definition indicates to me that you're stretching. >> your critics say it's a tabs increase. >> my critics say everything is a tax increase. i reject that notion. >> and what's fascinating is in arguing the case the administration then went forward and the secretary said it's a tax. >> of course it is. >> what you say on "good morning america" is actually not part of the court record when you're fighting these cases. >> but the white house is saying it's a tax now. >> of course. i always knew they were going to say it was a tax once they went to court. by the way, that's how social security withstood constitutional challenges. it was entirely within the power to tax. without the tax, the specific tax for social security, it would have been ruled unconstitution unconstitutional. >> let's bring in a lawyer here. governor, you agreed with -- i heard you agreeing with lawrence. of course it's a tax. do you agree with lawrence also, his take on the judge being a bit too flippant in dismissing this as a tax? >> no, not at all. i thought it was actually funny what the democratic congressman in washington, of course, said oh, of course it's not a tax. then the lawyers arguing just the opposite for the benefit of the legal issues. and of course now judge hudson saying no, it's not a tax. it is actually a penalty. i think they just flat lose on a commerce clause issue because here's what judge hudson said. he said the decision to not engage in commerce, meaning to not buy a product of insurance, is not engaging in commerce for purposes of the commerce clause which means that the federal government doesn't have the ability to regulate. so i think they lose on that issue at the u.s. supreme court. and if they lose on that, i think the rest of the insurance provisions faili s fail in the the whole system doesn't work if you don't have the individual mandate. so look, i think everybody wants to see greater access to health care at lower cost. but you can't do it in a way that violates the constitution. that's what the court said. >> i think one of the ironic things of this entire legal exercise is that you guys are fighting a mirage. the individual mandate is a ghost. it doesn't actually exist in the law because when you get this there and read the enfor enforceability of the mandate, there is none. the statute specifically says that you will have to pay this penalty if you don't have health insurance. but the most important thing to read about the penalty is what follows that. which is what is the penalty for not paying the penalty on your tax return? and the penalty for not paying the penalty on your tax return is absolutely nothing. the irs is specifically forbidden from trying to collect your penalty fee either through criminal action or civil action. so it's actually just a ghost. there really is no individual mandate in the bill, and as soon as the public finds that out, if this provision survives, the bill will actually have tremendous internal difficulty just on its own because without the individual mandate, i can just wait and buy my insurance when i need it. >> governor -- >> it is so -- this bill had been so convoluted there the beginning. you talked to members of congress about these points that lawrence has been bringing up for six months. they have -- the people that have been their loudest champion this health care bill, they don't even know what's in it. >> well, it's only 3,500 pages. i don't know why they haven't read every page of it before they voted. i tell you what we've done. you know, i am for jobs. we helped to hire 63 new people to go up and figure out what's in there including three new ones from virginia. >> there you go. >> hopefully they'll get that right. and the bottom line is, look, this thing needs to be decided quickly. i hope the u.s. supreme court will take it up quickly. and bypass the circuits. i hope governors will join us in approving that because this is creating terrible uncertainty for business. for the health care profession, and for the american people. it's got to get resolved one way or the other quickly. >> governor bob mcdonnell, thank you very much for being on the show. >> great to have you. >> we'll be right back. if you live for performance, upgrade to castrol edge advanced synthetic oil. with eight times better wear protection than mobil 1. castrol edge. it's more than just oil. it's liquid engineering. 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>> he was an alcoholic and he was a high-functioning alcoholic but he started drinking at a time in new york when it was it -- it was a liquid world. you didn't just have one for the road, you had 12 for the road and every white guy of a certain age in america wanted to buy mickey mantle a round and be able to say, hey, i bought the mick a drink, you know? and even if they could see that he was stumbling down drunk -- >> so he was being kind? >> yeah. yeah. wouldn't want to turn it down. >> the 1960s fulfill their dream. >> he wouldn't want to disappoint the fans. >> willie, you are that way? >> the same problem. it affected the way he treated his family and also the fans. you tell some kind of ugly stories one where he signs a baseball for somebody says, hey, kid, you're lucky your mom has nice breasts, the only reason i signed this ball. >> okay. >> dark moments, certainly. >> there are dark moments. >> joe scarborough, that is not funny what are you -- >> what's that? >> what is the matter with you? >> what are you talking -- >> the thing about signing the bull to the kid -- what are you laughing about on that? >> just reading ziggy cartoons. >> thinking about decision points, george w. bush. >> so how do we -- >> mickey was really fun, okay? let's just get that on the table, including some of that stuff. >> how do you, as a fan, and how does america square this? hero but dark hero? >> people ask me all the time is he still your guy and i say, you know, now actually he is a guy, which is an okay thing to be. he's guy. he is back in some sort of human proportion where you can see the flaws and yet still be astonished at what he was able to do physiologically. >> more astonished. >> yeah, more astonished. >> actually drunk when he hits the home run. >> more astonished when you find out he tore his acl, mcl, cartilage his rookie year and played on it the next 17 years. >> amazing. >> did he come to new york as an alcoholic? was that in his make up? was he was an oklahoma kid trying to adapt to new york, trying to replace dimaggio? what was it? >> i think it is both. there was a lot of alcoholism on his mother's side of the family, but you know, he didn't know that one of his aunts was found dead in her bed a week after she was -- after she was gone thanks to alcoholism, by his half older brother. nobody talked about it. >> yeah. >> nobody said, hey, kid, you better be careful, your mother's whole side of the family. >> yeah. >> so it was a setup. >> passed on to his kids, too? it is a really great book, you don't need our help. it lives on the best seller list. jane levy. >> i need your help. >> the book is "the last boy." jane, thanks for coming in. still ahead, form prime minister gordon brown and more with this fella, lawrence o'donnell, next. >> that's big. this was me, best ribs in nelson county, but i wasn't winning any ribbons managing my diabetes. it was so complicated. there was a lot of information out there. but it was frustrating trying to get the answers i needed. then my company partnered with unitedhealthcare. they provided onsite screenings, healthy cooking tips. that's a recipe i'm keeping. 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the top of the rock. steny hoyer yesterday at the press club. i talked to steny yesterday, he was talking about the way congress used to work and how he believe it is may work the next few years. he says boehner reached out to him and talking back and forth and lawrence will remember. i mean what steny talked about yesterday, it sounds revolutionary yesterday but it is the way america has done business for over 200 years. steny said that it used to be when he worked under tom foley, any time the democrats had an idea, foley would stop and call bob, pick up the phone, call bob michael, not for permission, just to say, hey, bob this is what we are talking about and figure out how to go from here, expand this out, get as many as you guys as possible, that was always the starting point. i know it has to happen that way in the senate, right? >> ended with speaker newt gingrich. i thought you were going to run a clip of steny hoyer with the last word with lawrence o'donnell that is the freshest video that exists. >> yeah. yeah. >> been fascinating to watch him step up to the obama deal being very welcoming, right from the start. where is nancy pelosi as this thing unfolds? steny hoyer has stepped right up to the microphone, nancy pelosi staying in the office with the door closed. i think because for nancy pelosi it is harder to do the rhetorical reversal. >> i don't think she can. >> she will absolutely bring this thing up for vote, going to support it. >> really? >> she has a bigger distance to travel from these very, very strong statements they were making with both top tax bracket and absolutely must not extend it. >> what is so interesting, lawrence, the first night this came out, was one of the few people that i saw certainly that progressives worship. you know, all progressives worship lawrence. lawrence from day one said this is a great deal for the president. of course, mark halperin said the same thing, i am dismiss sive of him. >> why are you dismiss sive of mark halperin? >> trying to get an interview with the president. lawrence knew from day one this was a good deal. >> a poll saying 69% support this deal. by the way, great deal, which is to say great compromise. it doesn't mean it is great policy. a compromise is never going to be great policy. >> why, lawrence, could we not have gotten like the tax cut for the millionaire? >> i think the democrats have been flag rhetorically wrong for a long time. they keep saying millionaires and billionaires and the country knows they are talking about dentists who make $251,000. >> no we are not and the country knows that. >> here is the problem, here is the problem, their law says that they are. yes, you can have a $250,000 bracket, but you must not stop there. you must have a million-dollar break, you must have a 10 million-dollar bracket f they were serious about billionaires, they would with have these brackets that went up into these ridiculously high incomes. >> why is it because we have been arguing for a year two, years, you can't raise taxes the way they were talking about raising because i kept talking about, the $250,000 dentist who has four chairs and wants to have five, this will hurt him. it seems to me, and this is what mark and i were debating it would be so easy for democrats to say, all right, i tell you what, we are going to give that you tax break for the $250,000 dentist but if you make $1 million, your rate's going to go up to 36%. if you make $2 million it is going to go up to 38%, if you make, you know -- why didn't obama do that? >> my specific version would be at 250, we do have an increase, but not 4 1/2% increase, then up to a million, start to have the larger increase and 10 million. we do not the have 100 million tax bracket. why don't we? we have with $50 million shortstops in this country. in 1936, the top break was $5 million because we recognized that there were high incomes that cannot be treated the same. there are some that are 100 times less. >> lawrence, why now in this day and able with this crisis we face, the rich doing better than ever, people hurting why couldn't we get this done now? why couldn't than found in the deal? >> republicans were dug in. they have no problem digging in on this. and you can't govern in the united states without getting -- >> so it is the republicans? >> republicans get elected in states with -- they all ran on it not like john mccain ran on this, you know, saying he was going to do the other thing. john mccain got elected to vote against tax increases, reelected to do that and he is doing that. and that's what republicans got re-elected or elected to do. so it's not surprising that's what they are doing. they are -- at the moment, a minority in the senate but that's enough to stop it. look, it got -- the obama position of raise above 250 got 53 vote notice united states senate. you know where we got the 250 black set in we got it in 1993 when i participated in senate in getting the biggest tax increase in history. >> you are proud of that? >> i would like it to be called the o'donnell bracket here on this show. so we got that with 50 votes in the united states senate, plus the vice president. so, the clinton increase in taxes only got 50 votes in the senate and it passed. the obama vote got 53 but not in reconciliation so it couldn't pass. >> why couldn't they do it in rec reconciliation? that is how bush got his tax cuts through? >> you can't do a reconciliation bill without a budget resolution. you can't do that in the lame duck session. >> all revisited next year and the democrats can, if they played better than 2010 have a debate about people who make over $1 million. >> they get nothing now, because the republicans are going of the 70, 80-vote majority. >> not if there is a bargain -- >> i think bill just saying here is 2% tax increase on incomes over $100 million. >> right. >> let me just see -- let me get that roll call vote so you can use it in 30-second ads. >> set it up. set it up. you know what that is actually -- you could even do this and i know a lot of republicans would not go there, you could say we are just going to raise taxes on billionaires up to 39%, the o'donnell bracket. >> who would with argue that? >> republicans would still vote against that. >> the republicans would? >> let's find out. why haven't democrats run the test? >> i don't get it. >> that was my entire argument from the very beginning. i would have -- i would have pushed republicans and gotten them on the record to say they wanted to throw people out -- in the streets, unemployment benefits, the bill clinton language, giving billionaires tax cuts. >> easier to say if they would have dug in. now we look at the president's approval rating, mcclatchy -- marist poll gives president obama the lowest approval rating since taking office. 432% of the registered voters aprove of the job the president is doing, half disapprove a bloomberg survey finds 45% of americans believe obama doesn't deserve re-election while 42% do. >> willie gite, i think those numbers go up. >> lawrence, you said nancy pelosi is going to come around on this, those do rhetorical reversal. >> right out of the gate. she gave a statement saying here is what is good about it a couple things bad about it she stayed silent, let steny lead. >> what about anthony wiener, was it theater? >> most was theater. anthony wiener doesn't have to vote for this, most of the people making noise about it and raising their objections to it, in the end, will be voting for this tax cut, including the ten democratic senators who voted not to, you know shall did not vote for cloture yesterday. some of them will move over and vote for final passage. the vote yesterday was not on final passage. >> what would motivate nancy pell lows toy is vote for it if the vote was not needed for passage? >> the speaker doesn't vote on most things but she is going to bring this to a vote. >> alou a vote without coming out and supporting it? >> she has, in effect, already voted for it. the house position has been we are not going to vote on it as is. the day the president issued his framework, which wasn't even a bill, we are not going to vote for that okay. that is easy to say. all you have to do is get some changes, pelosi wanted a change, which she got, which is an energy tax credit she he got that, max baucus worked it, the republicans approved, by the way it is just another tax break for business. you can call it an environmental piece, which it is, but it is a tax break for business, big surprise republicans are on board. the house got a change already that is the face-saving change they need. they will probably get some more there might be a little bit of give on the estate tax and, you know, then you are done. >> why is mitch mcconnell and other republicans in the senate supporting it? >> well, look, they -- every once in a while, you need the other party to solve your problems. mitch mcconnell has a party that would not vote for an extension of unemployment benefits, however, if you are mitch mcconnell, do you really want the democrats throwing unemployment benefits at you all year? sometimes you let the other party get this cap off your doorstep and that is what they are doing them don't like the political pressure that's on them for that so some people interpreting the extension of unemployment benefits as something the republicans respect really giving up, that's correct -- that is a correct perception of that. republicans are letting democrats do them the favor of getting that pressure off them. >> hmm. okay. >>. >> and they get their top tax brackets and all the rates. >> i'm curious, barack obama is now saying he is going to take care of this last year s there any hope of that? >> it is the correct conceptual place to go after this. everyone made the mistake of thinking tax brackets are everything. that is not the case, as the deficit commission and others have shown it is the tax deductionses that are key. if you, for example, were to take the over million dollar tax deduction for home mortgages and pull that down to $500,000, you have immediately changed the effective rate of the high earners, if you change all -- say charitable deductible built from 35% to 28%, you changed the top tax rate indirectly, plenty of twice get more money out of the rich in the tax code by playing with the deductions that they are using. and so it is a good direction to go, ultimately great to do it. you can have lower tax rates, marginal tax rates for everyone, the more deductions you pull out. and the rich can end up paying more income tax at a lower bracket if you have pulled their deduction out. it is the whole thing that you always hear from buffet. >> pack wood wood and bradley did this in 1986 with danny rostenkowski, 1986, we simplified the code and pulled out deduction and provision, we have done nothing but pile them back in. >> and we tried to do all sorts of social engineering in the tax code we try to create these incentives, for example, for new energy in the tax code instead of through direct subsidy. we have been governing through the tax code and social policy now for a couple of decades. in the process, we have jump it had up with a lot of messy stuff. good stuff, like the earned income tax credit one of the most effective anti-above vert programs we have, built into the tax code but a lot of messy stuff thrown in there. >> mika, very sad news. >> yes. >> our friend, richard holbrooke, passed away surprisingly. >> ambassador richard holbrooke died last night. he was in a hospital in washington. he suffered a tear in his aorta. he underwent hours and hours, about 20 hours of grueling surgery and didn't make it he had a government career that spanned nearly five decades and he worked for every democratic president since the late 1960s with a style that earned him nicknames such as the bulldozer and raging bull. one of his signature achievements was brokering the date peace accord signed exactly 15 years ago today that ended the war in bosnia. apparently his last word as well also touched on one of the crises that we -- >> afghanistan. >> foreign policy today. richard was a friend of the show, a friend of our family. and he will be missed. i mean, he had a very, very colorful personality, a very large ego and we have a lot of fun with him on the show. >> a lot of diplomats growing up, mika and they are large personalities and need to be for many reasons. willie geist earlier, you were recounting his remarkable career. >> truly a life's work. took a little break to do on wall street, do publishing, right out of school, out of college, went to vietnam, worked in foreign service, came back, worked under lbj, was assistant secretary of state under jimmy carter at the age of 35 and then again later under bill clinton. >> he is one of those people who knew from college, possibly before, exactly what he wanted to do with his life, dedicated himself to it. >> you know, meachum told us last hour he helped clark clifford write his classic. >> that is news. >> yeah. mark hall britain, he was such an integral part of the diplomatic accord. nothing, nothing really has surprised, i think a lot of diplomats able to do 15 years ago, remarkable achievement. >> vietnam forward, part of every foreign policy story and took on tough tests, dealing with bosnia, a huge test, taking on what he was working on at the end of his life, afghanistan and pakistan. when a president, a democratic president needed a diplomat to deal with something tough, richard holbrooke, his big personality, experience and talents the person presidents went to and cared about america's role in the world in a way that was not political, although he loved politics, he cared about trying to do the right thing. >> his dream was to be secretary of state, of course, only made it to 69 years old. if hillary clinton is not do the possible eight years in that job, we have -- he was on the short list and would have been on the short list to succeed her. >> no doubt about it last words the family reported to the "washington post" was we have got to stop this war in afghanistan. >> which the president actually is scheduled to meet with top national security advisers today to assess the progress there. all right. former british prime minister gordon brown coming up on "morning joe." we will be right back. >> one with of the reasons i like to come on your program is that whether i agree or not with your comments, which are mainly critical, i think you have made your program kind of the epicenter of discussion of afghanistan and i would add pakistan, which we talked about last time on television and i think that's very useful public service. barack obama ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] at&t covers 97% of all americans. rethink possible. 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"time" magazine is ranking the best tweets of the year and according to "time" magazine, the top tweet of 2010 was written by john mccain. that's right. experts say it is more impressive because he thought he was opening his garage door. >> cnn. take a look at this watch. >> bill clinton made a surprise appearance at a white house press briefing last week to endorse president obama's tax compromise with republicans. in a similar show of support, george w. bush returned to the white house to speak to the press this afternoon. >> it is a -- i think it is a -- i think it is -- it is -- it's a -- >> cnn will return in a moment. >> you know what you cannot go back to the well. it is done. okay. time now to take a look -- >> whatever you can do to bring george bush back. >> at the morning papers, "new york times" underperforming teachers in new york city are no longer guaranteed to receive tenure. an elaborate new system asks principals to rank prospective lifetime employees in and outside the classroom. >> the financial times, strong sales in asia pushed google's android operating system well ahead of apple in the race for smartphone dominance. google says it activates 300,000 new android handsets each day. >> wow. >> 300,000 a day compared to 150,000 a day for the iphone. related story, mark halperin striking out against the android as a communist plot to undermine american ingenuity. >> i don't even know what that is. >> what the kids in middle america. >> like a stork the apple store? >> i have no idea. i'm on the upper west side. >> okay. "usa today," the jets' strength coach caught on camera tripping a dolphins player during sunday's game has been suspended by the team for the -- he really did that on purpose? look at this. god. suspended without pay for the rest of the season, also defined $25,000 for the incident. how do you not get fired for that? >> you know what you know what i usually complain about them not disciplining people enough. that is a strong -- >> that s. >> rex ryan, he should have done t. >> rex took care of business. >> good for rex are. >> go to politico now plate books, editor-in-chief there, mr. john harris. >> hello, willie. good to he sue. >> talk crossroads gps, the conservative group that flooded midterm elections with ads about to launch another offensive ahead of the 2012 elections. what are they up to? >> no time like the present to get going on the next election and spend what they are trying to do is put pressure on democrats, specifically folks and democrats who just barely got over the finish line in the 2010 elections to vote in favor of this tax deal. >> so, what are they doing, they running ads? >> yeah, they are about to put ads in districts, people like jerry connolly here in northern virginia didn't even know for a week or so after election whether he had won or not, it was so close, saying, hey, vote for this tax deal. what i think is interesting about it though, these ads show a split among conservatives about what they think about this tax deal. we had mitt romney in an op ed in usa today coming out against it saying it is going to grow the deficit, short-term stimulus doesn't do anything for the long-term health of the country. joe scarborough in politico -- >> yep. >> denouncing this deal as something that's throwing everybody's supposed concerns about the deficit out the window. >> i am surprised, john harris, mitt romney actually is opposing this deal text that steppeds the bush tax cuts 'cause he is concerned about the deficit? >> you get mitt romney and joe scar bore rent same side, tells you something important. >> mitt romney rewriting the charles krauthumaner article from last week. he created a great sensation in the conservative world by saying obama won big on this deal, great deal or obama. bad deal for republicans. >> like you create a sensation on the progressive side, among progressives that watch your show by saying this is a great deal. there is a more fundamental split here and we saw it in 1994 ben we enter up there, there were the supplysiders who said cut tax no, sir matter what cut taxes doesn't matter how big the deficit goes. then those of us that came in and said, yes, not going to raise taxes and cut taxes when we can but we keeping an eye on the deficit as well and there was we had those battles in '95, '96, '97, we had the tax cuts, going to grow the economy but battle budget at the same time. >> the interesting thing is what happens to john thune's vote in the senate, since presidential candidate romney has come out stake out this anti-deal position? i believe thune was one of the people voted to proceed yesterday. demint voted against proceeding. final passage, thune is going to rethink this thing, wait a minute is that the new position. >> this is crazy out of whack with our normal politics, you have divisions within each party pretty big. governor romney has another objection, a legitimate one, a lot of the things are too temporary, wants something more definitive. mitt romney, sarah palin, some conservative pundits, john boehner, mitch mcconnell supporting it and democratic party, split between pelosi and obama, rare any our politics these days have an issue that divides one party, normally lock step partisan support this is a big moment for the republican party. >> it is not easy for mitt romney, always accuse of playing it too safe, not easy for any republican, you know this to say no to an extension of tax cuts. >> see, he doesn't have a vote. >> he gets to say what he he wants. >> krautheimer said last week, the impact it had, said where i'm going to go, i'm going to go in this position and i'm not a position of responsibility where the tax rates would go up on january 1st if people followed my advice. a great anti-washington stance. >> john? >> joe, one question about this though is whether this kind of represents a last binge before people go into treatment or one last big skies will of cheesecake before the year's diet. new members coming in in january and a lot of them really believe their deficit message, not just a talking point. and if that's true the division that mark is talking about is going to become much, much more acute. because i think many of these new members actually mean it, they are serious about the deficit. >> that would be ground-breaking. >> that is what i've been subjecting all along this is a very cynical ploy by republican tons say, okay, while democrats are in charge going to tack on another $1 trillion t will stimulate the economy and then when our people come in next year, 112th congress they don't have to have $1 trillion added, because rand paul said woe vote against this, willey demint has voted against it. a all right of the tea party people would not blindly walk lockstep with the republican establishment and add $1 trillion to the deficit. >> mitt romney saying his op ed, president obama has reason to celebrate with this tax package. >> okay that is sort of rewriting. >> yes it does. >> john harris, thanks so much. >> i agree with mitt romney. -never heard that. >> lawrence stayed this from day one. >> pretty smart, lawrence. >> pretty smart. >> a little annoying but -- >> exactly what the glasses are b. >> mark halperin, hall prin doctrine come to fruition? >> alive and well. >> there's always something, isn't there? it is a crisis. >> 83 votes yesterday it will get more on final passage. >> erin is next. hey, guys. printer's out of ink. just shake it. 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>> oh, they are expecting lots of gentleness. obviously, not going to move interest rates and reiterate going ahead with the $600 billion plan to try to keep interest rates low, even though, by the way, as we all know, interest rates the past couple of weeks have been creeping higher. look if they go up because the economy is getting better, not the end of the world for ben, would be fine with that. this morning, the data into the fed decision, a one-day meeting, them be using the data today on price and retail sales. retail sales, better than expected no question about it, that is for november and in a sense, doesn't surprise me, we know there is was a lot of holiday shopping going on. also, a lot to gasoline. i'm going to write that up completely, gasoline receipts up not a good thing for anybody. producer prices up more than expected because of food and fuel. you take those out, they were in line. again, i don't think it is fair to take them out at this point that is a big part of costs for everybody. a little bit of inflation and the economy doing okay. ben will do nothing. >> okay. willie and i since this iran series has broken, so inspire that we actually, willie, classes going well. >> yeah, berlitz, going great. >> learning farsi? >> learning farsi. we want to know more about this strange and exotic country that you call iran. but you have an update and even though willie and i can speak farsi now. >> she has an update on the company in the forbidden zone. >> we figured out a couple of things, where is the bathroom, two, that is not my friend, i do not know her and three, please don't kill me. outside of that it gets shake kim you have an update on your iran series. >> you all know we profiled a company, a giant chemical companies, the largest private shipper in the world. >> talking about t moving amony ya through the straits. >> that's right. and this company that we profiled sent an e-mail last night to the democratic and republican chairman of the banking homeland security and international and foreign affairs committees saying, guess what our subsidiary is going to be ending all ties in iran. so as a result of the report, they are going to be stopping all of their business in iran and it is an interesting story. >> wait, hold on. what? >> the unemployment rate goes up, that was willie's summer job. >> willie was -- >> tell us, will you ever write a book about moving ammonia? >> behind the weaves an ammonia rig, yeah, a sumner the straits. >> yeah, okay. the shocking story. >> ammonia -- ammonia, to be serious though -- >> willie's best book since westchester nights. go ahead. i'm sorry, erin. i'm sorry. >> amin ya is used in crops, it is used in windex, also used in 95% of the roadside bombs in afghanistan. store, is an important thing and it is an important driver for the iranian economy. it is good that this company is no longer doing it, but it is fair to note a lot of foreign companies still are sanctions are going to work, we have to deal with that issue and the issue of subsidiaries, we will tackle that, go to our website to see the whole forbidden zones report and a report on transammonia. >> willie on there right now. >> you better be, willie. >> blogging in farsi now. >> erin, thank you for doing this serious work. >> thank you so much, erin burnett. >> see you guys tomorrow. >> all right. speaking of international superstars, this session siting. >> standing by in the green room, former british prime minister gordon brown, right here on "morning joe." hey, did you ever finish last month's invoices? 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[ male announcer ] marriott hotels & resorts knows it's better for xerox to automate their global invoice process so they can focus on serving their customers. with xerox, you're ready for real business. welcome back to morning joe, 39 past the hour. joining us now, the former prime minister gordon brown, the author of the new book "beyond the crash, overcoming the first crisis of globalization" very good to have you on the show this morning. >> good to be on. >> i hear you have heard of it before. >> in britain. >> a good reputation? >> no. got to be wrong. plchblts prime minister, we have been debating this morning about the united states. >> yeah. >> adding another $1 trillion to our debt. >> how does that look from over there? >> you got to look at the long-term perspective here. the short-term, looks as if you are adding to your debt n long-term, you have to get growth. you don't have growth, you don't have jobs, you don't have jobs, revenues go down. you don't have revenues, you have a bigger debt and deficit. people haven't quite realized that this crisis that we have had it is nothing like anything before since the 1930s. and you can't recover from it overnight. you can't just go back to normal. i think a lot of countries are trying to go back to normal, cut public expenditure, let the economy's investments start again. >> you call this the first crisis of globalization. tell us what you mean by that. >> that every country in the world was affected by that is really the result of what you might call the global flows of capital so capital can go to anywhere around the world. global association of goods buy your goods from anywhere around the world and we don't manage it properly, it is out of control. that is why we have had prices, that is why we have had the oil volatility that's why we have got climate change problems. we are not managing it probablerly. >> how do we get an international construct since there are no boundaries now for capital? >> yeah. >> it flies across borders in split seconds how do we get america and britain and asia together? >> politics have got to get a grip, haven't they? you have got global financial markets and national supervisor sitting in new york, you are not likely to know what is happening in the rest of the world. if you have got a growth dependent on trade and you just sit back and let people put up trade barriers and then, you know, the whole world economy then goes into a downswing. so we started the g-20, which was a leaders group, biggest dmets world, india, china involved, everything else, you have got to do that in a better way. you cannot have growth in america and europe in the next few years at the level you want getting unemployment down as fast as you want without some corporation without with other countries that is the reality. you got to get china on board. don't talk about the currency. talk about why china isn't consuming more, why the middle class is not rising, why there's too many people in poverty and tell the chinese they have to increase their consumption, we will increase investment and rebalance the world economy that way. in the 19th century, we had national economies, right, the only decisions that matter, would you build the railroads, build welfare systems, would you get the sort of infrastructure moving? the 21st censure ray all right of the decisions are now international and governments have got to look to the rest of the world and a america's got to take the lead. america is the premiere economy in the world it has got brilliant innovative talents, you got the best technology and the best industries. you got to lead this but to get growth, you got talk to other countries. >> but, okay go ahead, mark. >> if america has to take the lead what does our president, president obama have to do more of than he has done so far? >> i think president obama was great when he took the leadership of the g-20 in pittsburgh in 2009 and now need something similar in again n 2009, trying to stop the banks from collapsing in 2009, trying to stop a great depression. in 2011, we are facing a decade of low growth. you get the figures every day, some goes up, some goes down, basically, a low-growth decade, high unemployment, you don't so do something about it that is how it is going to be. i reckon you could create $50 million the next few years in industrialized countries you have a pattern of decision making that got china, india, europe, america, these are the main participants, involved in a strategy for growth. that's how it could be done and america should and can take the lead. >> we have not yet started what will surely be a big deficit reduction effort in this country, probably once the president feels we are clear enough of the recession, you have started some government cut cutbacks in britain which have sparked student protests, the likes of which we have never seen last week. >> yeah. yeah. >> what -- what's the next chapter of the government cutbacks and student protests? >> i think you have riots in greece, portugal, general strike in spain. the student vie ben in britain, completely unacceptable, violence in the pursuit of a cause of a democracy is completely unacceptable and unjustifiable. but there is a fundamental issue here. if you are going to prepare -- sbhat biggest change the next ten years? biggest change is going tonight the rise of these massive consumer markets in asia, a billion consumers, twice the size of the american consumer market. you have to get into these markete is, america, britain, europe can you afford cut become on education? can you afford to cut back on technology? can you afford to cut become on scenes? no, if you are going to win in these markets and sell goods that are technology driven and got the high skill content that we can uniquely produce, how can you afford a cut back in education? that is the fundamental division of opinion of in britain at the moment, yes, a deficit reduction plan but does it make any sense to cut become on your skilled workforces and any sense to cut become on science and technology? and in america, if you are going to export to the rest of the world, can you afford to leave the technology advances to china or to india or to someone else? you can't do that. so i think you have deficit reduction but got to expand your education and technology and your science and got to think ahead. at the moment, we are just thinking how do we get through this year? >> stop the dam right here. >> so, have are the leaders in britain gone too far? it san experiment. it is an experiment. >> an experiment that causes you great concern? >> in the 1930s they can tried similar experiment and pretty disastrous for britain. and a great philosopher and economist said how to conquer unemployment, the treasury of the day, they wrote inflation, extravagance, bankruptcy and rejected it he was right. the language you are hearing today is almost exactly the same as the language of the 1930s it san experiment. i don't want to say it is going to work or not work. >> a dangerous ex-peer tonight turn your back on cains's? >> a dangerous ex-peer tonight expects after this huge shock, the biggest shock for 70 years, somehow, something can just come back to normal overnight, you do what you traditionally do, you don't have inflation but you are dealing with it as if it is an inflation problem, you cut public spending, you hope private investment is going to return but all the evidence says it is not going to return at the levels it was before and therefore, you got low growth and the growth figures for britain are going down, you know, the rate of growth is going down the beginning of next year, having grown this year as a result of the stimulus so you end up with a low-growth decade when actually, the huge opportunity is out there you see, america -- the american dream can be reinvented, in my view, as a career path for skilled people, getting educational and training qualifications and being the skilled workforce of the world that is the new american dream. you have got to investment. >> yes, we do let's talk about germany for a minute because conservatives the past several months are saying, look at the german austerity program it has led to the quickest growth since reunification, tell us what your take is on that. another side to that story? >> yeah, germany for ten years, for ten years, germany had high unemployment and lower wages and germany picking up the growth, spain is uncompetitive, greece is uncompetitive, ireland is uncompetitive. germany getting the benefit of wage restraint for ten years, germany cannot continue to grow that fast, the rest of europe doesn't grow because of most its exports are to the rest of europe, not china. >> is the rest of europe a burden in germany they certainly feel like it s. >> yeah they do feel like it is, three european problems, the three european problems, big deficits to deal with bank that are in trouble or big liabilities and they have got no growth or very little growth for the foreseeable future. i think you have to have some sort of high noon, have european leaders together like 2009 and say you have got to solve these three problems in one, if you just solve the deficit and no growth, you have got a problem. if you leave the bank liabilities undealt with, you have got a looming problem, so you have got to get these throw problems solved in one and not just a problem of the periphery, a problem for the whole of europe. >> so you are -- you are living a pretty darn good life. you have written this great book, "beyond the crash, overcoming the first crisis of globalization." you don't have to wake with up every morning worrying about those damn tabloids and what awful things they will say about you. >> the british press is sort of -- >> something. >> up on politician and football stars, but do you -- do you feel sorry for barack obama right now, that he is having to endure what you had to endure regarding an economy that has undergone a fundamental change? >> you know, barack obama is a great man and he has got a great heart and it has always been a privilege to deal with him. you know, look around the world and what's happening in america, japan, australia, belgium, netherlands, austria, italy, everybody's hit. the incumbent government is hit because people rightly, they feel insecure. they don't know where the jobs are going to come from what's going to happen to their kids. they are worried about their mortgages and people are want answers and easy to say we will find an answer in america, we will find an answer in britain but actually, you are going to have to cooperate with other countries to get this answer. you need an american plan for the world arrange american plan not just for itself but says to china do this europe do that and i think again you could get the growth we need. >> mika, this is so important, because coming from him, not because's former prime minister, but the ex-chouquer a very long time. >> prime minister gordon brown, thank you, the book "beyond the crash" thanks very much, sir. >> thank you. up next, will ferrell's remix to a 1977 christmas classic, next on "morning joe." i'd like one of those desserts and some coffee. - sure, cake or pie? 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