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the u. s. says it would designate rushes of wagner group as a transnational criminal organization. why? house national security spokesman joan kirby says. the private military group has about 50000 fighters and ukraine. most of them draw from prisons. we continue to assess that wagner currently has approximately 50000 personnel deployed to ukraine, including 10000 contractors and 40000 convicts. our information indicates the russian defense minister. he has reservations about wagner's recruitment methods. despite this, we assess that it is likely that wagner will continue to recruit right out or russian prisons due to recent events. we assess that it is likely there are mounting tensions between russian officials. mister promotion. you're a secretary of defense, lloyd austin says washington's committed to supporting ukraine defense ministers from 50 countries, met in germany, to coordinate military support for keith. they promised more weapons, but germany has not made a decision on whether it will provide tanks and to government protests. continue for a 3rd day and peruse capital hooley for the resignation of president dean ability. she's accused protests as if wanting to overturn the government of the demonstrations turn violent on thursday. police in brazil have carried out raid searching for those responsible for the january 8th riots. the capital supporters of former president john bolster, narrow attacked government buildings, calling for the overturning of the result of october's elections. asylum seekers trying to reach europe have described being kept in unofficial prisons where they are forcibly return from italy. the testimony is a part of an al jazeera investigation and partnership with lighthouse reports and other media has been a new attack on a camp for displaced people in east democratic republic of congo. it to re province . the un says at least 7 people were killed. human rights warnesha, calling for an independent and transparent investigation into the death of a prominent will and and journalist john williams. antwan lee often criticized the rwandan government and died and a traffic accident a wednesday while riding a motorbike in the capital. could godaddy okay those, the headlines, the news continues lounges here, after generation change. the formed opinions for right extremely there. he's real and need to be back old. as soon as possible, frank assessments, there was a joke about him from government that it's not in friendly nor does it go inside story on al jazeera friends in the country with a long history of activism for women's rights organizations thought the suffragette, the anti fascist leven people have successfully fall for new right and against injustice across the aged, but the struggle for social justice is far from over in the thick, biggest economy in the world. the gap between rich and poor is start and increasing . welcome to generation change a global series, the attempt to understand and challenge the idea that mobilizing around the world. my name is amanda maroney and i'm a journalist base here in london. in this episode, we need to young activists who was happening the root cause is a violent from unjust legal and education system to poverty policing and racial inequality. hulu in 2010. conservative lead government came into power and implemented a policy of austerity over the next decade. billions of pounds were cut in public spending. in london, youth violence and knife crime has increased at, in a catch blames austerity. sh. good right now we're in canada and you basically grew up around here, right? yeah. a lot of people know this area being a tourist destination for the market, but this is a place where you've kind of decided that you want to get involved in activism. working in the community, why is that? i think it is. if you look at, there's immense, well, there's power that big companies. but we don't equally share the fruit to what's happening. and i think particularly as a young person, you see all these issues around your advice and you decide if it's not mean he's going to be involved, then you will be there . when you were 15 years old, he decided to join the youth parliament in great britain, and you gave a really impassioned speech about refinance and the use of word. winston churchill, the former conservative leader against the conservative policies as my crime came, is more lives within our country. never has so much been lost by so many because of the indecision of so few what we think we need to fight it to do that. it's about the idea that you can use people's words against it. the conservative party have the set of ideals about the way they want to run with it. but they don't for a few with particular kind of rhetoric about living out the country is not matched up by any kind of real investment. it's all taping over the cracks of the hill or stereotype which they prove entire communities under the bus. or what does a fair and more equal, more just country look like, i think is about fundament investing in communities. right now we have a system in which this is essential left to brain, to problems and they face a lot. but we have to think about building the society in which everyone can have a fair start in life, which were all given there an equal opportunity if there were some people that said, okay, that's idealistic. you'll young, you there understand the way the world works. what would you say table? i said we just need to reframe, are kind of narrative rod history. the current perspective that we study, su 4 is kind of through the lens of the power. when we actually look at is to that the moment where regular people have banded together and can achieve a low ah, government cuts him starved many council estates of funding since 2010 up to $1000.00 youth centers have been shut down for many young people. life is becoming increasingly difficult and dangerous. tammy, morally helps those who have been impacted by violence. this is the grandpa fate needs go out there, right. this is where i grew up. could you tell me a little bit about what was growing up hair that 1st made you want to do work in your community? part of it is the issues that we experienced here from such a young age, living in poverty, season just is experiencing injustice. i'm been exposed to such extreme violence and when i was only 15 my next door neighbor, my childhood friend, marvin. he was on killed a month before his 18th birthday. i'm so yeah, that was definitely a catalyst for me to want to one understand how things are that can even happen in our society brought to work with in my community to support people who are experiencing the things. i know people survosity as a last experience, especially children there are a lot of those. could you just explain for a little bit about a therapy that you provide to young people before from is on a mission to empower young people and communities to fight for just this piece on frieda. and we support young people who have experienced violence to create change in their own lives, in our community and in society. and so it's about community empowerment is about ob, lifting young people to be able to 5 and not just survive. you've also got a background in law, you've paid a law degree. how much do you feel that that impacted your work in the community and awareness of the situations that people come up again? when i went to university and i was study in law, that's when i 1st realized how detached the legal system or the study of the legal system is from the reality. oh, i had an experience where in one lecture, when we were learning about families about fighting for justice to their loved ones, being incarcerate for things that they haven't done. well, we're talking about direct be affecting my community and the future lawyers passing around really couldn't care about me. i realized i wasn't nothing to do system from the inside. don't get me wrong. i respect people that do that. we have some amazing noise that we work with and i think we do need those people. i just didn't want to be one of them for i could do from the outside the work you do. it's very kind of emotional it personal. what kind of told had that taken on you being engaged in that day to day this work can bring and joy and fulfillment. but i can't take away from the fact that it's really hard to bear witness to people's pain. and watching young people process days, experiences, i feel proud that they don't have to do that alone by way, experiencing those things as a community, collectively we experience and to care for. and in that sense, as long as there's injustice and all of this pain and trauma that's happening, there's no way to not be impacted. so the toll take from me as the told i take from everybody the in 2012 as part of an effort to reduce cline the government commission to study that looked into the background of prisoners. it found that 63 percent of the inmates, they had been either 10 readily or permanently excluded from school. the link between a bad education and future incarceration is so distinct that it is known as the school to prison pipeline. kemi the project b, work on the forefront project. work specifically with young people that have been excluded. how important you think is to engage with young people who are being excluded from schools. when you marginalize young people from education as past time, they will experience exclusion from society. and i think that has a knock on effect and how they perceive themselves and how they perceive the world and how they'll move for it. well, falling on from that, many schools are very disciplinarian and punitive and same young people up for imprisonment, certain young people because outside of just school exclusions, which catalog in attention. i think there's a whole spectrum of even happening in the schools before people were excluded, permanent me under the new legislation that they are trying to introduce the police cause crime sentencing bill. they are ramping up secure schools that are supposedly schools with security rather than presents with education. there is not even a school for the pipeline anymore. we skipped the pipeline that went straight to the prism. and it's not just about staying in school. it's also about what you learn and what's in the curriculum. and as you need to really focus on this, you know, specifically white washing of the curriculum. how do you think that links to the progress the young people can make? i think like a fundamental part of education is you study any topic from a certain perspective. and i think currently we have a very your century perspective with clues beef, pivotal and fundamental world. this country paid in things like empire colonialism and slavery. and if we kind of look at our narrative around the past, this is idea that essentially these things were ended by a kind of moral revelation or more development in the u. k. and across europe and across the western world. but when we actually look at the the haitian revolution as an example of it, of a historical event, which is the only of a successful revolution in which a wallet was profitable. coney in haiti eventually over who ended savory, that paid a pivotal role in shifting the tide towards abolition. but if you look at the way they are currently presented in the curriculum, it's essentially around this idea of moral development in the k and who has an impact on the way that we perceive social change today. because the kind of lens that we study the past in school undermines the importance in terms of the long term historical narrative, that movement paid. and that means that we under emphasize the role that we can play as a movement to day and tell me you're coming at this a few years further down the line is graduated and been through the education system looking back. was there anything that you think was missing in the education system? i think for me, history was the subjects i was very passionate about. i really enjoyed the civil rights movement in the miracles. one of my favorite subjects at the time leaving school, i felt i knew nothing about the movement in this country. i'm learning everything that's happening in america. i had no idea about all of the black liberation organizing that was happening in this country way before i was born. i'm will continue to happen way also. i died. i. so why wasn't, i've been for about my own history in this country. something that i can connect with and relate to and not going to build my understanding of the world. i'm living mean of the society i'm living in. that's something that i really would have value and they get me wrong. i think international solidarity is really important. so i am glad that i got that understanding of what was happening abroad. it shouldn't have come at the expense of learning anything about what was happening in this country. in the ending march 2020, there were around 46000 recorded offences involving a knife and in london, the metropolitan police had warned that 2021 is on track to be in the worst year of teenage killings in more than a decade. as a response, the ruling conservative party has called the police to be given quite to power. while many journalists in the british media, he's a gang label without factoring in the all the reasons that lead to define it. to me, you've spoken about the importance of the distinction between the gang culture, nice violence. why do you think it's so important that that distinction is understood, developing an understanding of how particular labels are used to fathom marginalized, and ostracized particular groups? the word gang in this country has become synonymous with black youth. why one would off as a question why? what really is a guy? i mean, when you look at the legal definition, hooligan, they could be a gotten by the legal definition of various groups of people that could fit the definition of a gun. but the word gang is never used to enable them. and there's various research and these, for example, one by heart bessie that showed that a cross section of the media that they studied 62 percent of the time. and when a label was being used to describe black youth, black men and black boys in particular, it was the gang label. and i think it's really a store in the root causes of the issues of violence. you're nodding it on, do you agree? you have to think about the fundamental drivers and of so we should be like social economic inequality and how that is the root cause of violence. young black men of particular presented is being like immoral. and i think that connects to the stereotype in which is need to essentially read those who are empower of the responsibility. do they have been creating the social conditions for this? why that? because it's not like like the economic inequality that exists in our communities. the closer view of the di, funding of education, the lack of inclusive curriculum. these are all decisions being made by people in power. and so the user stereotypes and those perceptions as a way of attention distancing themselves from how their policies have caused these social conditions and drive this violence. the gang label to me, that is an example of how certain labels, certain approaches are established to deny people. dad bruce to access the resources and support that they require to heal. so many young people die themselves. have, you know, perpetrated violence again or the young people themselves have also been victims, multiple times, repeat victimization, and said, is this, i call victimization, not healing, victimization, healing got to be fair. if there's no that can protect you, if there's no one that can prevent that harmless thought that harm or support you all you've experienced palm. why wouldn't young people take matters in the hands? and that's something that doesn't get enough attention to something that i've heard a lot was reporting on the fine is that a lot of young men feel unsafe and they don't feel like there is anybody that's going to come and help them. they don't feel like they trust the police right. i can think of something that would make young men feel more safe in the u. k. i think we have to challenge like what is the notion of safety and why she is safety? because the way the law politicians talk about is like next slide, the streets with as many police officers. and that's like safety for who. because actually, if we look at those in our community who are risk of having a not violence committed against a nissan, not necessarily looking at them as people who could potentially be victims of vice . then looking at them in a very, that kind of lens of suspicion of all you about to commit the crime, shows that the way that the police interacting with people is not from a position of necessarily trying to look out for them is often for perspective kind of suspicious, and i think links about something that's really important to say is talking about we want to move away from a punitive system doesn't mean we want to move away from accountability responsibility. and i just want to make that clear who's really important to actually know that the system we have, there's no incentive for accountability. we have an adversarial court system where because of what stake i, there's no incentive for me to say i did this. i hom, this person, and i want to make amends. i want to repair that home. why would anybody and i'm just talking about extreme cases where people have been killed. i'm talking about right the way down to more trivial matters that i dealt with through the course. there is no incentive. so actually the society that we have from a moral point of view is really not interested, intrigued, accountable. the responsibility. one of the things i think is important. so what is the contentious debate around at drew music and you know, there's an argument that glam largest violence and that it perpetuates violence. but i want to hear what you guys think about to meet specifically. this is an age old debate in relation to trying to regulate press on black, awful, black music. what you have to understand is that for maybe the 1st time in communities that have been economically completely marginalized abandoned here now comes a pathway for some means of material success for young people that have been excluded from other forms of income generation. so people's material needs are not being met and here comes a way that people can, can do that and achieve i think, what do you think about this kind of june music to part of the right wing in our society because he went to him by issues of violence and other one of those handy destructions by which they can kind of distance themselves from their direct role in creating the conditions in which violence happens. because where have you ever seen the argument that any other form shown where the husband knew if i punk or what drives people to violent? like if there was a look at all kind of map out, one of the things are driving by our society. and there's a social inequality is a school fusion is all these are the issues. but how is it near it in a song the are supposed going to be driving with a virus? and this doesn't make sense. do you know they know that there is an arguments that we should talking about punk, or if you're talking about these on the forms of a barley music, right? the difference is that with some dro visa has been specific references to real life . cases of mud is of happened. people are, you know, basically using a song to say we kill this person, this is how we did it. and that's different to punk music. i think this coming to be said about that. but there's also, like we just have to look and the fact that these young people with lyrics of a narrative of their lives experience. but we need to ask ourselves how as a society, are we creating a situation in which these kind of movies are happening? what does it reflect about and the way that our society is being wise, obviously points out there's a found range of problems that we need to tackle. there is a lot of focus on the violence in the lyrics of the songs. but if you listen to artists like dave or storms and a lot of the mainstream people are speaking, there are a lot lyrics that talk about the mental health effects that these live experiences had and people. and for some reason those things don't really seem to cause i don't think a 5th is the narrative enough of one of my favorite songs of dave is actually called panic attack. and it's from like his 1st a e p. and i just so moved by it really moved and i think there's a lot of music that is really documenting what young people are experiencing and the kind of life that they have to live, how they have to navigate their own safety, their own pass, and her dad, right, and to dignity on the specs and the told about takes mental me and it just was perfectly encapsulated for me in that song. and there's other songs by example, as well. i think if people are so concerned about drew, they should be horrified about people having those live to experience. i've said, why are we not more interested in that me? in 2017. a fire broke out in grenville tower, a residential building that provided social housing in london. 72 people lost their lives later emerged that the fire spread so rapidly because grunfeld exterior insulation, it's cutting with highly flammable. and that when the building was renovated, the year before, to improve its external appearance, managed, had used the flammable cutting because it was cheaper. we couldn't have this conversation without mentioning glenville, it's become a massive symbol of social inequality and injustice in the u. k. what do you feel like it represents your generation? what happened at grand tower? thumbs up, everything this wrong with the way the, our society coming years. if you look at the way that there were systemic racism in terms of who she died, most of the people were black. and if we look at the fact that this would have happened in a richer community, if we look at the fact that people had been repeatedly warned about the, the danger of this building and the fact that none of the people who are involved and what happened in photography and it just shows what is so fundamental wrong with it was stop and searching young people for non violent drug possession and playing them in prison. but you can get away with 72 people, leasing a life in a fire. what does that tell us about the way that our society is one? i thought heartbroken. like most people about what happened. i gram foul. and i think for me, it symbolizes the neglect the abandon men. and that's something that resumes with me a lot because i come from a community. and my estate again neglected abandoned and left to ra, entity, re a. and to me grown folk speaks about because is more important for this. i sort of a block to look pretty for, but other wealthy people that live near it then is for people who have the right to be safe in their own home. it's really interesting speech, but at the same time, because there are lots of overlaps and you're saying, but tammy, you said to me the other day that no one's coming to save us. we're gonna have to do this for ourselves. so your position slightly outside the system and your thinking of possibly pursuing a career in politics. why and trying to effect change from inside the system? why do you still have faith in the system? and also all of the things we've spoken about it will look a lot the way the log issues and politics and talked about now it's people who are outside the system, who shape the way that politics interact with society. because they kind of, if we look at like racial justice, the ideas around transformative justice, these ideas that politicians are putting forward these ideas that community activists and other people put forward. and if it's not necessary that we can solve the need to change, but how can there be nice people who are within the system? her receptive to these different visions of society? and i think what i want to see in politics is a kind of generational shift in which my generation can try redesign. we shape this them because just as there were set of people who made the system this way. so can there be, i think people who can time make it work for the vast majority of people in this country, following on from that point semi in the back of what you said to me and how do you feel looking at the system more generally. i respect i found decision if he wants to go in and i filled that, we need to move toward a political system where we have people that represent tough people of the people of the community from the community for the community. and unfortunately, we looked politician just not the case me. so if we can have young people like i can see them, but they can transform that system to be where we can actually have that representation. then i think that is a worthwhile ambition to have a pass and the i wouldn't want to do that myself. i want to empower people on the ground. and i think that the 2 can work hand in hand, but that's my focus. when i look back on my life, i want to say this is how i invested my energy because we have limited energy. we have limited time and resource. and so that's my decision of how i've wanted to use my own time and resources to try and create impacts and create. well, there's been so much of this conversation which is positive, you know, and at this time that something i think a lot of people are searching for say thank you so much for coming and speaking to generation changed and i look forward seeing with you, i'm gonna do in the future ah ah, to inculcate a culture of knowledge, openness and pluralism, world wide had to reward merit and excellence and encourage creativity. the shake ahmad award for translation and international understanding was founded to promote translation and honor translators, and acknowledged they roll and strengthening the bonds of friendship and co operation between arab islamic and wild coaches. ah, singapore tough frog lead to a string execution, devastating family and walking where both one or one leave in beth or the al jazeera. ah. you asked to designate the wagner group as an international criminal organization. just applying ministry's.

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the police stations, and the scoreboards. b. u. s. has over half a 1000000 elected officials and the demand in this crowd on this day is that they represent all the countries people. not just some of them by cana auto, sierra washington. ah, this is al jazeera and these are the top stories. despite the near full evacuation of the city, the battle for back moved to new cranes, east rages on nearly all 70000 residents of left for black, moot remains. a key target for russia is the military intensifies its assault on the city. ukrainian authority say there is little hope of finding any one else alive in the rubble of a danny pro apartment block hit by russian missiles. at least 40 people are confirmed to have been killed in the attack, but dozens more. missing. germany's defense minister as resigned as the country face is pressure to increase his military support ukraine. christine lambert says the media's focus on her was getting in the way of a factual debate about germany's defense preparedness. german chancellor left shalt says he will swiftly replacer you figures from china show the population is in decline for the 1st time in more than 60 years. if these trends continue, a shrinking number of workers will have to support a growing number of retirees. labor shortages in a small a tax base could have a major impact on the economy. the visuals being held in the poll for the victims of a plane crash on sunday that left 72 people dead. by the 100 people gathered outside the trip of an international airport in the capital catman do. nepal observed a day of national morning on monday and set up a panel to investigate the country's deadliest crash in 30 years. italy's most wanted mafia boss has been arrested after 30 years on the run police detain monsieur massena dinero and the sicilian cap city of paloma dinero, had been convicted in absentia for killings and bomb attacks, and was given a life sentence, is considered the last remaining godfather. of the cosa nostra mafia. ok those. the headline news continues on al jazeera. after generation change. the american people is spoken, but what exactly did they say? is the world looking for a whole new order with less america in it? is the woke agenda on the decline in america. how much the social media companies know about you and how easy is it to manipulate the quizzical look us politics, the bottom line? friends in the country with a long history of activism for women's rights organizations thought the suffragette, the anti fascist leven people have successfully poor for new right and against injustice. of course the aged, but the struggle for social justice is far from over in the thick, biggest economy in the world. the gap between rich and poor is thought an increasing welcome to generation change a global series, the attempt to understand and challenge the idea that mobilizing around the world. my name is amanda maroney and i'm a journalist based here in london. this episode we need to young activists who was happening the root cause is violent from unjust legal and education systems to poverty, policing and racial inequality. hulu in 2010. conservative led government came into power and implemented a policy of austerity over the next decade. billions of pounds will cut in public spending in london use violence and knife. crime has increased at, in a catch blames austerity. sh. do right now we're in canada and you basically grew up around here. right? yeah. a lot of people know this area for being a tourist destination for the market, but this is a place where you've kind of decided that you want to get involved in working in the community. why is that? i think if you look at that immense, well, there's power that big company, but we don't equally share the fruits of what's happening. and i think particularly as a, as a young person, you see all these issues around youth violence. and you decide, if it's not mean who's going to be involved, then you will be so when you were 15 years old, he decided to join the youth parliament of great britain. and you gave a really impassioned speech about refinance and use some of the word winston churchill, please pull my conservative leda against the conservative policies. as my time teams, more lives within our country. never has so much been lost by so many because of the indecision of so for you, what we think you, when you decided to do that, it's about the idea that you can use people's words against it. the conservative party have the set of ideals about the way they want to run with it, but they don't for a few with particular kind of rhetoric about leveraging up the country is not matched up by any kind of real investment. it's all taping over the crux of a decade or stereotype which the entire community is under the bus a. what does a fair and. busy equal, more just country look like i think is about fundament investing in communities. right now we have a system in which communities, essentially left brain problems that they face a lot. but we have to think about building a society in which everyone can have a fair start in life, which we're all given there. an equal opportunity if there were some people that said, okay, that's idealistic. you'll young, you there understand the way the world works. what would you say stable, i say that we just need to reframe our kind of narrative around history. the current perspective that we study, su 4 is kind of through the lens of the power. when we actually look at is to that the moments where regular people have banded together and can achieve a lot ah, doesn't it cuts him starved many counselor states of funding since 2010 up to $1000.00 youth centers have been shut down for many young people life is becoming increasingly difficult and dangerous. temporarily helps those who have been impacted by violence. this is the gram parker fate need grew up here, right? this is where i grew up. could you just tell me a little bit about what was growing up hair that 1st made you want to do work in your community? part of it is the issues that we experienced here from such a young age, living in poverty, seen just this experience in injustice and been exposed to such extreme violence. and when i was only 15, my next door neighbor, my childhood friend, marvin, he was on killed a month before his 18th birthday. and so yeah, that was definitely a catalyst for me to want to one understand how things are that can even happen in our society. brought to work with in my community to support people who are experiencing the things i know people should utterly of experience, especially in children. but there are lots of facets oh, front does. could you just explain for a little bit about the services that you provide, the young people before from is on a mission to empower young people and communities to fight for just this piece on frieda. and we support young people who have experienced violence to create change in their own lives, in our community and in society. and so it's about community empowerment. it's about uplifting young people to be able to 5 and not just survive. you've also got a background in law, you've paid a law degree. how much do you feel that has impacted your work in the community and awareness of the situations that people come up again? when i went to university and i was study in law, that's when i 1st realized how detached the legal system or the study of the legal system is from the reality. oh, i had an experience where in one lecture when we were learning about families, are fighting for justice for their loved ones being incarcerate for things that they haven't done. well, we're talking about direct be affecting my community and the future lawyers passing around really couldn't care about me. i realized i was nothing to do system from the inside. don't get me wrong. i respect people that do that. we have some amazing noise that we work with and i think we do need those people. i just didn't want to be one of them for i could do from the outside the work you do. it's very kind of emotional it personal. what kind of told had it taken on you being engaged in that day to day? this work can bring a lot of joy and fulfillment. but i can't take away from the fact that it's really hard to bear witness to people's pain. and watching young people process days, experiences, i feel proud that they don't have to be alone by way, experiencing those things as a community collectively way experience and to care for. and in that sense, as long as there's injustice and all of this pain and trauma that's happening, there's no way to not be impacted. so the toll take from me as the told i take from everybody the in 2012 as part of an effort to reduce crime the government commission to study that looked into the background of prisoners. it found that 63 percent of the inmate surveyed had been either 10 readily permanently excluded from school. the link between a bad education and future incarceration is so distinct that it is known as the school to prison pipeline. kemi the project, the work on the forefront project works specifically with young people that have been excluded. how important you think is to engage with young people who are being excluded from schools. when you marginalize on people from education as 1st time, they will experience exclusion from society. and i think that has a knock on effect and how they perceive themselves and how they perceive the world and how they're medford well falling on from that. many schools are very disciplinarian and punitive and same young people up for imprisonment sir. and young people because outside of just school exclusions, which gallow in attention, i think there's a whole spectrum of even happening in the schools before people were. i'm excluded permanently under the new legislation that they are trying to introduce and the police cause crime sentencing bill. they are ramping up secure schools that are supposedly schools with security rather than prisons with education. there is not even a school for the pipeline anymore. we skipped the pipeline that went straight to the prism and it's not just about staying in school. it's also about what you learn and what's in the curriculum. and as you need to really focus on this, you know, specifically white washing of the curriculum. how do you think that links to the progress the young people can make? i think like a fundamental part of education is you study any topic from a certain perspective. and i think currently we have a very your century perspective with clues beef, pivotal and fundamental world, this country paid in things like empire colonialism and slavery. and if we kind of look at our narrative around the past, this is idea that essentially these things were ended by a kind of moral revelation of mo, development in the u. k. and across europe and across the western world. but when we actually look at the the haitian revolution as an example of it, of a historical event, which is the only of a successful revolution in which a wallet was profitable. county in haiti eventually overthrew ended slavery. that paid a pivotal role in shifting the ty towards abolition. but if you look at the way they are currently presenting the curriculum, it's essentially around this idea of moral development in the k and who has an impact on the way that we perceive social change today. because the kind of lens that we study the past in school undermines the importance in terms of the long term historical narrative, that movement paid. and that means that we under emphasize the role that we can play as a movement to day and tell me you're coming at this a few years further down the line is obviously graduated and been through the education system. looking back, was there anything that you think was missing in the education system? i think for me, history was the subjects i was very passionate about. i really enjoyed the civil rights movement in the miracles. one of my favorite subjects at the time leaving school i. so i knew nothing about the movement in this country. i'm learning everything that's happening in america. i had no idea about all of the black liberation organizing that was happening in this country way before i was born. i'm will continue to happen way also. i died. i. so why wasn't, i've been for about my own history in this country. something that i can connect with and relate to and not going to build my understanding of the world. i'm living mean of the society i'm living in. that's something that i really would have value and they get me wrong. i think international solidarity is really important. so i am glad that i got the understanding of what was happening abroad, but it shouldn't have come at the expense of learning anything about what was happening in this country. the in the ending march 2020, there were around 46000 recorded offences involving a knife and in london, the metropolitan police has warned that 2021 is on track to be in the worst year of teenage killings in more than a decade. as a response, the ruling conservative party has called the police to be given way to power. while many journalists in the british media is a gang label without factoring in the all the reasons that lead to define it. to me, you've spoken about the importance of the distinction between the gang coach. i knew violence. why do you think it's so important that that distinction is understood, developing an understanding of how particular labels are used to fathom marginalized? and ostracized particular groups? the word gang in this country has become synonymous with black youth. why one would off as a question why? what really is a guy? i mean, when you look at the legal definition, hooligan, they could be a gotten by the legal definition of various groups of people that could fit the definition of gang. but the word gang is never used to enable them. and there's various research and these, for example, one bipartisan bessie that showed that a cross section of the media that they studied. 62 percent of the time when a label was being used to describe black youth, black men and black boys in particular. it was the gang label, and i think it's really a store in the root causes of the issues of violence. you're nodding and on. do you agree? you have to think about the fundamental drivers and of which is basically like social economic inequality and how that is the root cause of violence. young black men of particular presented being like immoral. and i think that connects to the stereotype in which is need to attend. she read those who are empower of the responsibility. do they have been creating the social conditions for this? why that? because it's not like like the economic inequality that exist in our communities. the closer view of the di, funding of education, the lack of inclusive curriculum. these are all decisions being made by people in power. and so the user stereotypes and those perceptions as a way of attention distancing themselves from how their policies have caused these social conditions and drive this violence. the gang label to me, that is an example of how certain labels, certain approaches are established to deny people. dad bruce to access the resources and support that they require to heal. so many young people die themselves. house, you know, perpetrated violence again are the young people themselves have also been victims, multiple times, repeat victimization, and said, is this, i call victimization, not healing, victimization, healing got to be fair. if there's no that can protect you, if there's no one that can prevent that harmless thought that harm or support you all you've experienced palm. why wouldn't young people take matters in the hands? and that's something that doesn't get enough attention to something that i've heard a lot was reporting on the fine is that a lot of young men feel unsafe and they don't feel like there is anybody that's going to come and help them. they don't feel like they trust the police. i can think of something that would make young men feel more safe in the u. k. i think we have to challenge like what is the notion of safety and why she is safety? because the way the law politicians talk about is like net the street with as many police officers. and that's like safety for who. because actually, if we look at those in our community who risk of having a not violence committed against the police, are not necessarily looking at them as people who could potentially be victims of vice. then looking at them in a very, that kind of lens of suspicion of all you about to commit the crime, shows that the way that the police interacting with people is not from a position of necessarily trying to look out for them is often for perspective kind of suspicious, and i think links about something that's really important to say is talking about we want to move away from a punitive system doesn't mean we want to move away from accountability responsibility. and i just want to make that clear who's really important to actually know that the system we have, there's no incentive for accountability. we have an adversarial court system where, because all was stake i, there's no incentive for me to say i did this, i hon. this person and i want to make amends. i want to repair that home. why would anybody and i'm just talking about extreme cases where people have been killed. i'm talking about right the way down to more trivial matters. but i dealt with through the course. there is no incentive, so actually the society that we have from a moral point of view is really not interested, intrigued, accountable. the responsibility, one of the things i think is important. so what is the contentious debate around drill music and you know, there's an argument that glam largest violence and that it perpetuates violence. but i want to hear what you guys think about your music. specifically. this is an age old debate in relation to trying to regulate press on black food black music. what you have to understand is that for maybe the 1st time in communities that have been economically completely marginalized abandoned here now comes a pathway for some means of material success for young people that have been excluded from other forms of income generation. so people's material needs are not being met and here comes a way that people can, can do that and achieve i think, what do you think about this kind of june music to part of the right wing in our society because he went to him by issues of violence and other one of those handy destructions by which they can kind of distance themselves from their direct role in creating the conditions in which violence happens. because where have you ever seen the argument that any other form john were that has violated 5 punk or what drives people to violent? like if there was a look at all kind of map out, one of the things are driving by itself society and there's a social inequality, is a school fusion is all these are the issues. but how is it near it in a song the are supposed going to be driving with? this doesn't make sense. do you know? they know that there is an argument that we should talking about punk or if you're talking about these on the forms of a barley music, right? the difference is that with some dro, visa has been specific references to real life. cases of mud is of happened. people are, you know, basically using a song to say, we kill this person, this is how we did it. and that's different to punk music. i think this coming to be said about that. but there's also, like we just have to look and the fact that these young people with lyrics of a narrative of their lives experience. but we need to ask ourselves how as a society, are we creating a situation in which these kind of movies are happening? what does it reflect about and the way that our society is being wise, obviously points out there's a phone rings or problems that we need to tackle. there is a lot of focus on the violence in the lyrics of the songs. but if you listen to artists like dave all storms in a lot of the mainstream people are speaking, there are a lot lyrics that talk about the mental health effects that these live experiences had people. and for some reason those things don't really seem to cause i don't think a fit the narrative enough of one of my favorite songs of dave is actually called panic attack. and it's from like his 1st a e p. and i just so moved by it really moved and i think there's a lot of music that is really documenting what young people are experiencing and the kind of life that they have to live, how they have to navigate their own safety, their own pass, and her bad rights and to dignity on respects and the told about takes mental me and it just was perfectly encapsulated for me in that song. and there's other songs by example as well. i think if people are so concerned about drew, they should be horrified about people having those live to experience. i've said, why are we not more interested in that me? in 2017. a fire broke out in grenville tower, a residential building that provided social housing in london. 72 people lost their lives later emerged that the fire spread so rapidly because grunfeld exterior insulation, it's cutting with highly flammable. and that when the building was renovated, the year before, to improve its external appearance managed, had used the flammable cutting because it was cheaper. we couldn't have this conversation without mentioning glenville, it's become a massive symbol of social inequality and injustice in the u. k. what do you feel like it represents your generation? what happened at grand tower? thumbs up, everything this wrong with the way the, our society coming years. if you look at the way that there were systemic racism in terms of who she died, most of the people were black and brown. if we look at the fact that this would have happened in a richer community. if we look at the fact that people had been repeatedly warned about the danger of this building and the fact that none of the people who are involved in what happened in photography. and it just shows what is so fundamental wrong with us. it was stop and searching young people for non violent drug possession and playing them in prison. but you can get away with 1700 people leasing a life in a fire. what does that tell us about the way the our society is one. i thought heartbroken. like most people about what happened. i gram foul. and i think for me, it symbolizes the neglect the abandon men. and that's something that resumes with me a lot because i come from a community. and my estate again neglected abandoned and left to ra, entity, re a. and to me grown folk speaks about because is more important for this. i sort of a block to look pretty for, but other wealthy people that live near it then is for people who have the right to be safe in their own home. it's really interesting speech, but at the same time, because there are lots of overlap, what you're saying. but tammy, you said to me the other day that no one's coming to save us. we're gonna have to do this for ourselves. so your position slightly outside the system and your thinking of possibly pursuing a career in politics. why and trying to effect change from inside the system? why do you still have faith in the system? and also all of the things we've spoken about it will look a lot the way the log issues and politics and talked about now it's people who are outside the system, who shape the way that politics interact with society. because they kind of, if we look at like racial justice, the ideas around transformative justice, these ideas that politicians are putting forward these ideas that community activists and other people put forward. and if it's not necessary that we can solve the need to change, but how can there be nice people who are within the system? her receptive to these different visions of society? and i think what i want to see in politics is a kind of generational shift in which my generation can try redesign. we shape this them because just as there was people who made the system this way. so can there be, i think people who can time make it work for the vast majority of people in this country. following on from that point me in the back of what you said to me and how do you feel looking at the system more generally. i respect i found decision if he wants to go in and i filled that, we need to move toward a political system where we have people that represent tough people of the people of the community from the community for the community. and unfortunately, we looked politician just not the case me. so if we can have young people like i've seen them, but they can transform that system to be where we can actually have that representation . then i think that is a worthwhile ambition to have a pass and the i wouldn't want to do that myself. i want to empower people on the ground. and i think that the 2 can work hand in hand, but that's my focus. when i look back on my life, i want to say this is how i invested my energy because we have limited energy. we have limited time, i'm the source. and so that's my decision of how i wanted to use my own time and resources to try and create impacts and create. well, there's been so much of this conversation which is positive, you know, and at this time that's something i think a lot of people are searching for. so thank you so much for coming. and speaking to generation changed and i look forward seeing what you are going to do in the future . in 2021 at the turkish secuity services arrested. 15 suspected 5, allegedly recruited by israeli intelligence. the more sad to report on arab palestinian and islamic figures center kia, ma, sometimes they recruit you and you don't even realize you've been recruited. allergies your world explores a doc surveillance underworld beneath the diplomatic surface. more sardine stumbled on al jazeera. examining the headlines, how big a breakthrough is this a historic moment for authors research, unflinching journalism. i can see the part of the tree where 2 of the bullets hit thereabouts. my head high sharing personal stories with a global audience. nature is so much more than income for shareholders if the library of my people explore an abundance of world class programming on al jazeera ah, russia intensifies its assault to seize control.

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my job stories now and i want to 0. the polls prime minister says the full force of the army and police has been sent to the side the countries worst air crush the century. the 68 people on board the yeti airlines plain, have been killed. the flight left katlyn do and crashed into a gorge while landing at a newly opened airport in the resort town of poker. lane made a loud noise. we turned around and saw a bamboo tree fall down. i told my friend that the plane was falling to the ground . then we heard a blast. cut by. the incident was very tragic and the full force of the nipple army and the police have been deployed for rescue operations and ukraine. the search continues for survivors in the rubble of an apartment block a day after it was hit by a russian missile. that the 30 people were confirmed have died in the eastern city of tinney pro. but dozens of still missing a barrow of missile strikes. targeted several ukrainian cities on saturday for the 1st time in 2 weeks. rushes president vladimir putin says the ministry operation in ukraine has gained what he calls positive momentum. in the media briefing, the defense ministry didn't specifically mentioned in the pro, but said that the russian army had carried up a successful missile strike on ukraine's command system on saturday. a massage strike was carried out against you, queens military and infrastructure side. yet some of the bullets sign objects were the targets of the strike. and well, he's 12. people have been killed in a church attack in eastern democratic republic of congo. that's according to the army. another $52.00 were wounded, including children. the attack happened in the city of cassidy in north keeping province. during a baptism ceremony, a canyon suspect has been arrested with a government accusing the allied democratic forces group of staging the attack. yes, president joe biden has declared a major disaster in california where a succession of storm systems as brought heavy flooding to already war to log regions around 25000000 people in the u. s. state of been affected by evacuation orders or flood warnings, several waterways of birth, their banks, and at least 19 people have died. those on top stories do stay with us, generation change is coming out next fi for now. mm. ah. ah. al jazeera right down to the pit. friends in the country with a long history of activism for women's rights organizations thought of the suffragette, the anti fascist leven people have successfully poor for new right and against injustice. of course the aged. but the struggle for social justice is far from over in the thick, biggest economy in the world. the gap between rich and poor is start and increasing . welcome to generation change a global series, the attempt to understand and challenge the idea that mobilizing around the world. my name is amanda maroney and i'm a journalist base here in london. in this episode, we need to young activists who was happening the root cause is violent from unjust legal and education systems, to poverty, policing and racial inequality. hulu in 2010. conservative led government came into power and implemented a policy of austerity over the next decade. billions of pounds will cut in public spending. in london use violence and knife. crime has increased at in a catch blames austerity. sh. good. right now we're in canada and you basically grew up around here, right? yeah. a lot of people know this area for being a tourist destination for the market, but this is a place where you've kind of decided that you want to get involved in working in the community. why is that? i think if you look at, there's immense, well, there's power that big companies, but we don't equally share the fruits of what's happening. and i think particularly as a young person, you see all these issues around youth violence. and you decide, if it's not mean who's going to be involved, then you will be teaching . so when you were 15 years old, he decided to join the youth parliament of great britain. and you gave a really impassioned speech about refinance and use some of the word winston churchill, please, former conservative leda against the conservative policies. as my crime teams, more lives within our country. never has so much been lost by so many because of the indecision of so for you, what we think we need to fight. it said that it's about the idea that you can use people's words again, that the conservative party have the set of ideals about the way they want to run with it. but they don't for a few with particular kind of rhetoric about living up the country is not matched up by any kind of real investment. it's all taping over the crux of a decade, austerity of which the entire community is under the bus or what does a fair and. busy more equal, more just country look like i think is about fundamentally investing in communities . right now we have a system in which communities, essentially left brain proposals that they face to love. but we have to think about building the society in which everyone can have a fair start in life, in which we're all given that and equal opportunity if there were some people that said, okay, that's idealistic, you'll young, you don't understand the way the world works. what would you say stable, i say that we just need to reframe our kind of narrative rod history. the current perspective that we study, su 4 is kind of through the lens of the power. when we actually look at is to that the moments where regular people have banded together and can achieve a low ah, government cuts have starved many council estates of funding since 2010 up to $1000.00 youth centers have been shut down for many young people. life is becoming increasingly difficult and dangerous. tammy, morally helps those who have been impacted by violence. this is the graham park estate needs grow up here, right? this is where i grew up. could you just tell me a little bit about what was growing up hair that 1st made you want to do work in your community? part of it is the issues that we experienced here from such a young age, living in poverty. see it in just this experiencing injustice and been exposed to such extreme violence. and when i was only 15 my next door neighbor, my childhood friend marvin, he was shown killed a month before his 18th birthday. i'm so yeah, that was definitely a catalyst for me to want to one understand how things are that can even happen in our society brought to work with in my community to support people who are experiencing the things that know people should utterly of a happy experience especially children now there are a lot of friend does. could you just explain for a little bit about the services that you provide the young people before from is on a mission to empower young people and communities to fight for justice piece on frieda. and we support young people who have experienced violence to create change in their own lives, in our community and in society. and so it's about community empowerment. it's about uplifting young people to be able to friday and not just survive. you've also got a background in law, you complete a law degree. how much do you feel that that impacted your work in the community and wellness of the situations that people come up against when i went to university and i was studying law that when i 1st realized how detached the legal system or the study of the legal system is from the reality. oh, i had an experience where in one lecture when we were learning about families, are fighting for justice to their loved ones being cross racial things that they haven't done. what we're talking about is direct effect in my community and the future lawyers passing around really couldn't care about me. i realized i was nothing to do system from the inside. don't get me wrong. i respect people that do that. we have some amazing noise that we work with and i think we do need those people. i just didn't want to be one of them for i could do more from the outside the work you do, you see it's very kind of emotional it personal. what kind of told had that taken on you being engaged in that day to day? this work can bring a little joy and fulfillment. but i can't take away from the fact that it's really hard to bear witness to people's pain. and 14 young people processed those experiences. i feel proud that they don't have to do that alone, but we're experiencing those things. i'm as a community collectively we experience in it to cover. and in that sense, as long as there's injustice and all of this pain and trauma as happening, there's no way to not be impacted. so the toll take from me as the told i take from everybody ah, in 2012 as part of an effort to reduce crime, the government commission to study that looked into the background of prisoners. it found that 63 percent of the inmate surveyed had been either temporarily or permanently excluded from school. the link between a bad education and future incarceration is so distinct that it is known as the school to prison pipeline. kenny, the project, the work on the forefront project works specifically with young people that have been excluded. how important you think it is to engage with young people who are being excluded from schools. when you marginalize on people from education has 1st time they will experience exclusion from society. and i think the has a knock on effect and how they perceive themselves and how they perceive the world and how they're may fred? well, falling on from the many schools are very disciplinarian and punitive and same young people up for imprisonment sir. and young people because outside of just school exclusions which can love and attention, i think there's a whole spectrum of even happening in the schools before people were. i'm excluded permanently under the new legislation that they are trying to introduce and the police court crimes sentencing bill. they are ramping up secure schools that are supposedly schools with security rather than prisons with education. that is not even a school for the pipeline anymore. we skipped the pipeline, i went straight to the prism and it's not just about staying in school is also about what you learn and what's in the curriculum. and i can even really focal on this specifically about white washing of the curriculum. how do you think that links to the progress the young people can make? i think like a fundamental part of education is you study any topic from a certain perspective. and i think currently we have a very your century perspective with clues beef, pivotal and fundamental road this country, paid in things like empire colonialism, slavery. and if we kind of look at our narrative around the past, this is idea that essentially these things were ended by a kind of moral revelation of mo, development in the u. k. and across europe. and of course, the kind of western world. but when we actually look at the the haitian revolution as an example of it, of a historical event, which is the only of a successful revolution in which was most profitable. coney in haiti eventually over who ended savory. that paid a pivotal role in shifting the tide towards abolition. but if you look at the way they are currently presented in the curriculum, it's essentially around this idea of moral development in the u. k. and that has an impact on the way that we perceive social change today. because the kind of lens that we study the past in school undermines the importance in terms of the long term historical narrative, that movement paid. and that means that we under emphasize the role that we can play as a movement today and tell me you're coming at this a few years further down the line is obviously graduated and been through the education system looking back. was there anything that you think was missing in the education system? i think for me, history was the subjects i was very passionate about. i really enjoyed the civil rights movement in the miracles. one of my favorite subjects at the time leaving school i. so i knew nothing about the movement in this country. i'm learning everything that's happening in america. i had no idea about all of the black liberation organizing that was happening in this country way before i was born. i'm continue to happen way. all right, bye bye. so why wasn't, i've been for about my own history in this country is something that i can connect with and relate to and not going to build my understanding of the world i'm living in of the society i'm living in. that's something that i really would have value and they get me wrong. i think international solidarity is really important. so i am glad that i got that understanding of what was happening abroad, but it shouldn't have come at the expense of learning anything about what was happening in this country. the in the ending march 2020. there were around 46000 recorded offences involving a knife and in london, the metropolitan police has warned that 2021 is on track to being the worst year of teenage killing a more than a decade. as a response, the ruling conservative party has called the police to be given way to pilot while many journalists in the british media is a gang label without factoring in the all the reasons that lead to this slide it to me, you've spoken about the importance of the distinction between the gang culture nice violence. why do you think it's so important that that distinction is understood, developing an understanding of how particular labels are used to further marginalize and ostracize particular groups? the word gang in this country has become synonymous with black youth. why one would ask better the question, why? what really is a gang? i mean, when you look at the legal definition hooligan, they could be a guide by the legal definition of the various groups of people that could fit the definition of a gun. but the word gang is never used, enable them. and there's various the sessions for these. for example, one by car bessie that so a cross section of the media that they studied. 62 percent of the time. and when a label was being used to describe black youth, black men and black boys in particular, it was the gang label. and i think it's really to store in the root causes of the issues of violence uniting and on. do you agree you have to think about the fundamental drivers and we should be like social economic inequality and how that is the root cause of violence. young black men a particular presented is being like immoral. and i think that connects to the stereotype in which is need to attend. she reads those who are in power of the responsibility. do they have been creating the social conditions for this? why that? because it's not like, like the economic inequality that exists in our communities, the clothes of youth, the de funding of education, the lack of inclusive curriculum. these are all decisions being made by people in power. and so the user stereotypes and those perceptions as a way of attention distancing themselves from how their policies have caused these social conditions and drive this violence. the gang label to me, that is an example of how certain labels, certain approaches are established to deny people. dad bruce to access the resources and support, they require to heal. so many young people die themselves. have, you know, perpetrated violence against other young people themselves. have also been victims multiple times, repeat victimization, and said, is this, i call victimization, not healing, victimization, healing got to be fair. if there's no can protect you, if there's no one that can prevent that harm or stop that harm or support you after you've experienced palm, why wouldn't young people take matters into their own hands? and that's something that doesn't get enough attention to something that i've heard a lot was reporting on the find is that a lot of young men feel unsafe and they don't feel like there is anybody that's going to come and help them. they don't feel like they trust the police. i as in could you think of something that would make young men feel more safe in the u. k? i think we have to challenge like what is the notion of safety and why she is safety? because the way the law politicians talk about in the streets with as many police officers. and that's like safety for who. because actually, if we look at those in our community who are risk of having a not to violence, committed against the police are not necessarily looking at them as people who could potentially be victims and then looking at them in a very that kind of lens of suspicion of all you about to commit requires that so that the way that the police interacting with people is not from a position of necessarily trying to look out for them is often from a perspective of kind of suspicion. and i think links about something that's really important to say is talking about we want to move away from a punitive system doesn't mean we want to move away from accountability responsibility. and i just want to make that clear who's really important to actually know that the system we have, there's no incentive for accountability. we have an adversarial court system where because all was stake i, there's no incentive for me to say i did this. i hom, this person, and i want to make amends. i want to repaired at home. why would anybody and i'm just talking about extreme cases where people have been killed. i'm talking about right the way down to more trivial matters. but i dealt with 3 the course, there is no incentive, so actually the society that we have from a moral point of view is really not interested, intrigued, accountable. the responsibility. one of the things i think is important. so what is the contentious debate around drill music and you know, there is an argument that glam largest violence and that it perpetuates violence. but i want to hear what you guys think about you will meet specifically. this is an age old debate in relation to trying to regulate a press on black, awful, black music. what you have to understand is that for may be the 1st time in communities that have been economically completely marginalized abandoned. here now comes a re, a pathway for some means of material success for young people that have been excluded from other forms of income generation. so people's material needs are not being met. and here comes a way that people can, can do that and achieve, i think, what do you think about this kind of jewel music to part of the right wing in our society. because he went to him by issues of violence and other, one of those handy destructions by which they can kind of distance themselves from then direct role in creating the conditions in which it happens. because where have you ever seen the argument that any other form john were that has been live if i punk or what drives people to violent. like if there was a look at all kind of map out, one of the things are driving by society. and there's a social inequality, there's a school fusion, there's only the issues. but how is it near it in a song the are suppose you going to be driving with? this doesn't make sense. do you know they know that there is an argument to made that what you're talking about punk, or if you're talking about is on the forms of barley music, right? the difference is that with some dro visa has been specific references to real life cases of mud is of happened. people are, you know, basically using a song to say we kill this person. this is how we did it. and that's different to punk music. i think this coming to be said about that, but there's also like we just have to live and the fact that these young people with lyrics of a narrative of their lives experience. but we need to ask ourselves, how as a society, are we creating a situation in which these kind of movies are happening? what does it reflect about? and the way that our society is being run, obviously points out there's a phone rings or problems that we need to tackle. there is a lot of focus on the violence in the lyrics of the songs. but if you listen to artists like dave or storms and a lot of the mainstream people are speaking, there are a lot lyrics that talk about the mental health effects that these live experiences had people. and for some reason those things don't really seem to cut him. i don't think a faith in the narrative, not a problem. one of my favorite songs of dave is actually called panic attack. and it's from like his 1st a e p. and i just so moved by it really moved and i think there's a lot of music that is really documenting what young people are experiencing and the kind of life that they have to live, how they have to navigate their own safety, their own pass, and her dad, right, and to dignity on respect and the told about takes mentally and it just was perfectly encapsulated for me in that song. and there's other songs by example, as well. i think if people are so concerned about ro, they should be horrified that people having those live to experience, i've asked him said, why are we not more interested in that me? in 2017, a fire broke out in grenville tower, a residential building that provided social housing in london. 73 people lost their lives later emerged that the fire spread so rapidly because grunfeld exterior insulation, it's cutting with highly flammable. and that when the building was renovated, the year before, to improve its external appearance managed, had used the flammable cutting because it was cheaper. we couldn't have this conversation without mentioning glenville, it's become a massive symbol of social inequality and injustice in the u. k. what do you feel like it represents your generation? what happened at grand tower? thumbs up, everything this wrong with the way the our society is. if you look at the way that there were systemic racism in terms of who she died, most of the people were black. and if we look at the fact that this would have happened in a richer community, if we look at the fact that people had been repeatedly warned about the, the danger of this building and the fact that none of the people who are involved and what happened in photography and it just shows what is so fundamental wrong with it was stop and searching young people for non violent drug possession and playing them in prison. but you can get away with 72 people losing their lives in a fire. what does that tell us about the way that our society is one? i for heart broke him like most people about what happened. i gram foul, and i think for me, it symbolizes the neglect the abandoned men. and that's something that resumes with me a lot because i come from a community and my estate again neglected abandoned, and left to ra, entity, re a and to me grown folk speak to that because it's more important for this. i sort of a block to look pretty for, but other wealthy people that live near it, then it is for people who have the right to be safe in their own home. it's really interesting speak briefly at the same time because there are lots of overlaps from what you're saying. but tammy, you said to me the other day that no one's coming to save us. we're gonna have to do this for ourselves. so your position slightly outside the system and your thinking of possibly pursuing a career in politics, right. and trying to effect change from inside the system. why do you still have faith in the system? also, all of the things we've spoken about will look a lot the way the law issues and policies and talked about. now it's people who are outside the system who shape the way that politics interact with society. because they kind of, if we look at like racial justice, the ideas around transformative justice, these ideas that politicians are putting forward these ideas that community activists and other people are putting forward. and if it's not necessary that we can solve the need, the change, but it's how can there be nice people who are within the system, her receptive to these different visions of society? and i think what i want to see in politics is the kind of generational shift in which my generation can try redesign. we shape this is because just as there was people who made the system this way. so can there be, i think people who can time make it work for the vast majority of people in this country, following them from that point me in the back of what you said to me and how do you feel looking at the system more generally. i respect i found decision if he wants to go in and i filled that, we need to move toward a political system where we have people that represent tough people of the people of the community from the community for the community. and unfortunately, we looked politician just not the case me. so if we can have young people like i am feeling, but they can transform that system to be where we can actually have that representation . then i think that is a worthwhile ambition to have a pass and the i wouldn't want to do that myself. i want to empower people on the ground. and i think that the 2 can work hand in hand, but that's my focus. when i look back on my life, i want to say this is how i invested my energy because we have limited energy. we have limited time and resource. and so that's my decision of how i've wanted to use my own time and resources to try and create impacts and create. well, there's been so much of this conversation which is positive, you know, and at this time that's something i think a lot of people are searching for. so thank you so much for coming and speaking to generation changed and i look forward seeing why tv. i'm gonna do in the future. the american people spoke. yeah. what exactly did they say? 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