favor of drafting a document directly targeting biden, only the nation s second catholic president. joining me now for more on this is a religion reporter with the washington post. she s done great work in looking into this. thank you for being here, michelle. biden s catholic faith is an important part of who he is. what do you think it means for him to have this kind of focus on his faith right now? i would love to know. i mean, he doesn t talk he shirks away from conflicts with the bishops. when he s asked about this, generally he won t comment or he ll say something that down plays the conflict, and he never says he disagrees outright with catholic teaching. he s in accustom to this conflict for some time. he also has mainstreamed for american catholics around the world who have his type of personally opposed to abortion, but don t feel that it s right to make the law exclusive on