Literature. so that student debt. i know i m not a u.s. citizen, but he s got to be inclusive. greg: that s true. andrew: to play devil s advocate a little bit, a lot of my american friends aren t so much debt because college fees here are so huge, and all my friends, they have to take out second jobs as hit men and set up an onlyfans account. we should maybe do something about that. greg: but the way to do it is not by canceling debt or shifting debt around, because you have to get the schools to dial back the spiral of tuition. the only way he can do this is by making the loans harder to get, and convincing people that maybe they don t have to go to college. maybe you can go to, i don t know, sac state. that s not a college. andrew: isn t $4 billion? greg: over 20 years. andrew: couldn t they repay the debt to people who did things like medicine and engineering, something helpful