elementary school, saturday december 15th, 2012. we're about 60 miles northeast of new york city. welcome to "cbs this morning saturday." we are in newtown, connecticut, just a short ways away from the school where a gunman slaughtered 20 young children and adults yesterday morning before taking his own life. the firehouse behind us was a gathering place for terrified parents who rushed to the scene after learning of the attack. >> it was the second worst mass killing in u.s. history after the virginia tech shootings in 2007, but the depths of the what is sure to be many signs of a community coming together. we've learned that all of the dead have been identified of authorities with the help of pictures provided by grieving parents and family members. the bodies havy it to be removed from the school which remains a crime scene. >> and here in newtown, the is impossible to exaggerate and jeff glor has more on that. jeff good morning. >> reporter: rebecca, good morning to you. we may never know why the shooter did what he did, but people here are trying to understand, and they are struggling. >> all those families i'm so sorry. i am so sorry you have this to deal with. >> reporter: for the community of newtown, connecticut, friday's elementary school shootings were something they couldn't even imagine. >> there was a bit of a challenge insulation or feeling that tragedy won't happen here and now it has, and unfortunately i think it's going to define this town. >> and i don't understand how he could hurt innocent children. i just don't get that. what did those poor babies do to you? that's the hard part. >> reporter: three of those victims were taken to danbury hospital. two of them died there. dr. john murphy coordinated the response. >> i was in the emergency room when we got the call that there would not be any more victims coming, and that was a devastating call to get. and the room fell silent when we shared the news and there was a moment of deep grief, recognizing what that meant. >> that most of the victims couldn't be saved. >> that's correct. >> and so there were more. hundreds gathered at prayer vigils across newtown where the city's grief was matched with disbelief. >> all i can think of is they were excite and they were getting ready to celebrate christmas. >> second worst massacre in our history in my town. >> i think i cried out my tears. we've all been crying since probably this morning. >> reporter: from parent whose children had escaped the event, a different emotion. >> i have no words, no words. i feel in some respect guilty because i have my baby here and i just hope anybody who needs help -- i feel terrible. >> reporter: it doesn't matter where you go here. the hospital a diner, gas station, you see it on people's faces. their eyes are puffy, their voices are quiet. this town and many of the families who live here will never be the same. rebecca, anthony? >> and the nation grieves along with them. jeff glor thank you. >> we are starting to learn the names of some of the victims of this tragedy. margaret brennan is at the newtown united methodist church with more on that. good morning, margaret. >> reporter: good morning anthony. there are only a few homes here and now 27 lives to put to rest. only two children made it to the hospital before dying. the rest died at the school alongside their teacher and principal. 47-year-old dawn hochsprung was shot and killed alongside the children she cared for at sandy hook elementary school. parents remember her as a friend to the students. >> she was wonderful. always good to the kids always a smile on her face made you feel good when you were there. >> reporter: she joined the school in 2010. she kept an active twitter account posting updates on the school. she tweeted safety first at sandy hook. it's a beautiful day for our evacuation drill. so far we know the identities of three of her students. 7-year-old. emily parker who moved to connecticut with her family just a year ago and chase kowalski survived by his parents rebecca and steve. also among the dead school psychologist mary sherlock 56 years old. she planned to retire next year. and vicki soto 27-year-old first grade teacher. the first victim nancy lanza worked with young children. she died at home believed to have been shot dead by her own son. >> margaret do we have any idea yet when the police will begin to move the bodies from the school? >> reporter: well state police have identified the children and they are optimistic that they'll be able to release the remains to the family later today. but no specific time frame has been released just yet, anthony. >> margaret, it's almost impossible to imagine any sort of recovery after this but what's your view on how this community will come together since you've grown up so close to here? >> reporter: well, you know rebecca, everything has come to a halt this weekend. all school activities all sporting event,s, all social activities. as you can see behind me there's a sign on the door that says sanctuary, open. we even seen people coming in with flowers. there will be a memorial service and vigil around 12:00 at the episcopal church and there will be many many events throughout the weekend as people try to absorb what has happened. >> margaret brennan. thanks, margaret. >> thank you, margaret. we're now joined by an eyewitness of this tragedy. gene rosen is a long-time resident of newtown and he lives right next door to the firehouse behind us. his own son went to sandy hook elementary. yesterday he took in six young children who were traumatized by the attack. thank you. good morning. >> good morning to you. >> we know how difficult this is for you. taking in those six children what was that like? the children were so frightened. i didn't know why they were on my lawn. i didn't know how they got there. i looked outside and i saw these six children and i thought that that they were practicing a play or cub scouts and i went and i approached them and it became clear they were so distressed. they were just so distressed. so i took them into my house, and they were crying and talking. i got them some stuffed animals because we have a lot for my grandson. >> gene you didn't understand -- >> i didn't. i had no idea what had happened. there seemed to be a bus driver who i don't quite understand it picked them up and they stopped in front of my house and she said there was an incident. i had no idea what happened. and then the children started talking. i feel they had witnessed some of what -- some of the bloodshed. they were very brave. they were very sweet children. we started calling their parents, and they just said i can't go back to that school and they said something about their teacher, and then their parents started coming slowly. they were such sweet kids. >> these were young children. >> they were young children between 6 and 8 years old. >> really. >> and they were -- they talked about a gun. i had a strong sense they had witnessed. >> something. >> either in passing when they were leaving. i don't know if they fled from the school. i don't know how that happened. they were on my front lawn. they were very nice kids. i want to see them again. >> what would you say to them if you saw them right now, gene? >> i would tell them how brave they were. i would tell them how brave they were and how i want to be their friend. i'll never forget them. >> gene how long was it before their parents were able to get there? >> about 30 or 40 minutes. >> really. how were they doing during that time. >> there was one little girl who was inconsolable. i put my arms around her. the boys and the other two girls, they were very composed. i think they were shocked. >> sure. >> i thank were really shocked. but they -- they were brave. they were really sweet children. they said i can't go back to that school. >> what message would you like the rest of the country to hear about your experience and the children of this community? >> the beauty of children the strength of children. and the kindness of a community, the goodness of parents. i want to meet their parents, speak with them. this is a very good community. it's a very tight community. i was going to the diner, a small little country diner, and u say the children. my life changed. >> gene rosen, thank you. >> thank you, gene. >> thank you for sharing your story with us. >> thank you for being here. thank you. >> there are so many questions yet to be answered about this massacre of innocent children one that haunts us all is what kind of person was adam lanza. another, what would drive a young man to do such a thing. let's get the latest of that part of the investigation from senior correspondent john miller former director of the fbi. john's in our studio. john, what have we learned about adam lanza? >> what we've learned is he was a quiet boy. friends told us as we found them through the night that he was socially awkward and in some cases he made people uncomfortable who didn't know him well and very different from his older brother who had been to college, gotten a job at a brokerage firm and his brother, the alleged shooter, stayed at home. a very sketchy picture is coming together. one of the things we look at all the time in these cases, anthony, is in this age of kind of living out loud that electronic footprint, people's facebook pages, all of their tweets and messages and texts, we found scant evidence that he really had a profile out there online and the story is mounting that he was really a young man unto himself. >> which is an interesting point, john because in some previous cases, similar with some of the similar elements to this one, we've seen similar issues with the person the perpetrator of the crime. when we're looking for a motive which is almost impossible to understand at this point, what are law enforcement officials looking for here? >> well, they're actually handling this. rebecca, it's kind of interesting. the suspect is dead. there's not going to be any trial. yet the investigation is being carried out just as if this were a mystery, and that's because they're getting search warrants they're going to look to see if he has a computer can they get into it notes and notebooks at the home because they're going to want to know "a," to a certainty that no one else was involved or in the planning. they certainly anticipate that. they've got go through those motions and do it in the same legal way as they would another legal investigation. but, two, people always want to know in the study of these crimes and criminals a "why," and they really don't have a window into that yet. >> and especially because this case targeted a school of children, many of them around 5 years old. that's a big question here and what his mom's relationship to the school was and his relationship to her. >> that's true. and, you know, later in the show, we may talk to mary ellen o'toole, the former fba profiler who may given us some insight into that. but, you know the quick sketch is he killed the mother in the home. she had worked in the school and he set off to the school. so it may be the problems between he and his mother resulted in this murder an then he set off to kill the other thing in her life that she loved. >> john, they took adam zlan's brother into custody in new jersey yesterday. they took him away in handcuffs which i think might lead some people to suspect he's a suspect but it doesn't mean that. what do you think they were looking for from his brother? >> these things are very fluid, and one of the things that i said and body orr said yesterday is in the beginning these things are always gashle ed legar billion garbled. one thing is he had his brother's identification on him and there was confusion at the scene that he was identified as ryan. then that information was given to the fbi and the police in new jersey to follow up that lead find his residence, get that locked down do a search only to encounter a young man who said, no i'm ryan. that's my brother adam. during that confusion they talked to him and relayed the information back and then the instructions were let's bring him to the police station. at that point they didn't understand is this adam, is this ryan, is he the suspect, is he not the suspect? i think by then they had a handle that there had been a mixup. but putting him in handcuffs is one of those things they do where they try to sort it out and for officers' safety they say, let's figure it out after the situation. certainly very unfortunate for him to be in that position. >> all right. john miller in new york. thanks, john. a few hours after word of the shooting reached the white house, president obama appeared in the briefing room. he was visibly shaken and said expected to lend empathetic moral support and a tearful president obama did just that. >> the majority of those who died today were children. beautiful little kids between the ages of 5 and 10 years old. they had their entire lives ahead of them. birthdays, graduations, weddings, kids of their own. >> reporter: the stars and stripes flew at half-staff over the white house capitol as the president spoke with words of consolation. >> for as blessed as they are to have their children home tonight, they know that their children's innocence has been torn away from them too early and there are no words that will ease their pain. >> reporter: after previous incidence of gun violence they have called for new firearm restricts because they would be politically difficult. when congresswoman gabrielle giffords was shot two years ago and at the shooting at the movie theater last year in colorado. >> we can enhance it by making it more difficult for those who should not have weapons under existing laws make it more difficult for them to obtain weapons. >> reporter: but yesterday the president moved closer than ever before to call for new legislation. >> as a country, we've hecks to find evidence of mental illness. rebecca, anthony? >> bill plante thank you. we'll have much more on the tragedy in newtown, but first let's take a look at the weather for your weekend. coming up a school leader tells us what comes next for the kids of newtown. and later, are we doing enough to protect our classrooms? you're watching "cbs this morning saturday." coming up we're going to be speaking with man who's become the face of the investigation into yesterday's school shooting. connecticut state police lieutenant paul vance. he has been working through the night, all day yesterday. >> and obviously a story that's continually moving and changing and trying to keep track of that. >> we'll be right back with him. this is "cbs this morning saturday" and we are live from newtown, connecticut on this welcome back to "cbs this morning saturday," and we are live in newtown, connecticut, devoting the entire two hours today to this tragedy that began unfolding really yesterday morning when police got a call from this community, from the sandy hook elementary school which is not far from where we are right now. we're sitting right now in front of the firehouse. the sandy hook school is not far from here. and really the firehouse was a refuge for both children who had run from the school and for parents who came looking for their children. i spoke with a minister here in town yesterday who said he came to this firehouse at about 10:30 yesterday, and the scene was just sobbing. everybody crying and a lot of chaos and everybody wondering what comes next. >> right. >> how do we rebuild. >> and one of the problems here i think now a lot of the people in the community are just getting a chance to come together and sort out what happened. much of yesterday was spent just trying to figure out what had occurred. you know they didn't even have time to respond and react. you were at a candlelight vigil last night which was really the first kind of community gathering after this weren't you? >> it was. and what is important to think about here is that at this candlelight vigil, and they were all over the entire town churches synagogues religious institutions, people came by the hundreds literally overflowing through the church with grief. and to see that and to see it first hand you know that this community is coming together, but you also see their loss. >> and how hard it's going to be. we'll have more from newtown. please stay with us. welcome back to "cbs this morning saturday." from newtown connecticut, i'm anthony mason. >> and i'm rebecca jarvis and we're devoting two hours this morning to the tragedy at sandy hook elementary school where a gunman killed 26 people yesterday, 20 of them young children. >> and we begin this half hour with a look at the ongoing police investigation of this terrible crime. and joining us is lieutenant paul vance of the connecticut state police. and in our new york studio "cbs this morning" senior correspondent john miller good morning to you. can you give us some idea of what's going on in the school right now? >> the investigation has been going continuous all night long. our objective was to positively all night long. it was to get closure and make it'sier for them if there was a way do that. our detectives worked well through the night. by early this morning, they were able to positively identify all the victims and make positive identification of all the victims. >> lieutenant vance, when will the bodies be removed from the school? >> that has been accomplished. that was done overnight. we worked very closely with the medical examiner who was on the scene to kpe pe dietexpedite the process. now we're working on the exterior of the building and they'll continue to do so until they've completed their work. >> paul, it's john miller in fork if you can hear me. first of all, i want to say you have done a remarkable job over the last 24 hours and i take my hat off to you for that getting information out and getting it right. >> thank you. >> i wanted to ask yesterday when this happened the connecticut state police which had an immediate reaction rapid deployment for school shootings, i think you updated it after the bethland school massacre. it seemed to work very fast. you called up all available troopers and all off-duty troopers. how soon after the incident did you have an idea of how big and how bad it was? >> when our teams arrived, they immediately form lated what we callive shooting teams and entered the school immediately. we have a duo objective. number one, eradicate or stop the killing or shooting and the second certainly and most important is to find and rescue as many people as possible. our teams did that. they were very successful and very heroic rescuing groups at a time, getting them out of harm's way to a safe location and going back in and continuing that process. unfortunately they came to the heartbreak and devastation that they encountered in two of those classrooms. >> paul, just to follow up the other question that i learned after the amish school massacre in pennsylvania, the mandatory counseling they put in for everybody who responded to the scene because of the effect it was going to have on the responders. what are the plans for the state police? >> we've done that already. we have grief counselors. certainly we provided them to the families. but we also understand the first responders troopers fire service, and ems people that responded to that scene also needed to vent to talk and to have support. this was a devastating, heartbreaking, tragic scene. i've been a trooper longer than i want to admit and i can tell you from firsthand experience it was absolutely horrific. >> lieutenant vance, we've been hearing a number of different stories about the mom, adam lanza's mom's relationship to the school. what can you tell us about that? >> we haven't discuss thad publicly yet. there are some issues out there relative to a positive connection, but that's part and parcel of our investigation. we have investigators who will peel back the onion. but that i mean we'll leave no stone unturned to nemoives that may have had impact and caused this to occur. >> lieutenant paul vance and john miller in new york. thank you. it's about 35 after the hour. let's pause for a moment for another look at the weather for your weekend. up next, there was a safety plan at sandy hook elementary school, but it wasn't enough. what more must be done to keep our kids safe? you're watching "cbs this morning saturday." if you're living with moderate to severe crohn's disease, and it feels like your life revolves around your symptoms, ask your gastroenterologist about humira adalimumab. humira has been proven to work for adults who have tried other medications but still experience the symptoms of moderate to severe crohn's disease. in clinical studies, the majority of patients on humira saw significant symptom relief and many achieved remission. humira can lower your ability to fight infections, including tuberculosis. serious, sometimes fatal events, such as infections, lymphoma or other types of cancer have happened. blood, liver and nervous system problems, serious allergic reactions and new or worsening heart failure have occurred. before starting humira, your doctor should test you for tb. ask your doctor if you live in or have been to a region where certain fungal infections are common. tell your doctor if you have had tb, hepatitis b, are prone to infections, or have symptoms such as fever, fatigue, cough, or sores. you should not start humira if you have any kind of infection. get headed in a new direction. with humira, remission is possible. ♪me and you...♪ ghirardelli squares chocolate... ♪a little rendezvous♪ savor our luscious filling combined with our slow melting chocolate. ♪that little reward for all the things you do.♪ only from ghirardelli. nature knows all about baking. you just mix together a few simple ingredients add a bit of heat, and "voila." so to make truvia baking blend, we shared one of nature's most surprising secrets: sweetness from the stevia leaf. for a blend of truvia natural sweetener and sugar that bakes and browns like sugar, with 75% fewer calories per serving. from nature, for sweetness. many school districts will likely re-evaluate their plans. sandy hook elementary came up with a new plan and conducted drills. dawn hochsprung tweeted this. safety first. sandy hook. it's a beautiful day for our evacuation drill. we're joined now. joseph, thank you. i know this is a really difficult time for the community, so thank you for being with us. >> i'm glad i'm here but i wish i didn't have to be here. >> what was the process yesterday of notifying parents? >> the school system as i understand it did robocalls to all the parents, letting them know what had occurred. there was also an appear to parents of sandy hook not to come to the school, but that's almost an appeal that you make but it isn't going to work. parents came here as i understand it. you know the story. they evacuated the children to the firehouse behind us and then started the process of reunited parents with children. they put a the schools in the district on lockdown. in fact, most of the districts in the area put their schools on lockdown. the initial report was there were two gunmen and that was what was following. >> we should note here we're dealing with a case where it appears that the shooter had a relationship obviously with his mother who worked at the school so he may have been known to people at the school. >> i'm not sure that's the case. wi us talking with the superintendent before we came on the air. we're told the mother did not have a relationship with the school. the protocol is there's a buzzer and people have to identify who they are. you know 99,999 times you're going to let them in because they have a legitimate reason to be here. >> do you know if the person who buzzed in adam lanza knew adam lanza? >> that i don't know. you'd have to ask people here. you can talk about security all you want but until we take away guns from people that are mentally disturbed, this is going to continue going on. it's happened in schools, shopping malls, movie theaters. we have to deal with the problem that we have here. and, you know, security's going to get beefed up at every school in the country, i'm sure but that's no guarantee this kind of thing can't happen again until we deal with the fact that people that are disturbed are getting their hands on guns and you can see what happens. >> in the meantime you have a lot of children who are going to be very upset by this. >> the superintendent told me this school is not going to be available for a while. she's also been told it's very important to get the other children back into school before christmas. so she's going to have to make arrangements. a number of schools in the area are offering school if needed. she might have to pull double sessions so the kids can use the building. there's going to be grief counselling going on. >> thank you for taking the time to be with us today. >> thank you. up next more on school safety. we'll ask an expert what must be done to protect our kids in the classroom. you're watching "cbs this morning saturday." 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what were they telling you that they had seen. >> they just kept saying that they couldn't go back to the school. i think one of them said they had seen some blood. one of them said two boys were talking about guns and one of them said there was a big gun and a little gun, and i was absolutely -- i couldn't believe what they were talking about because i had no knowledge. >> you hadn't heard the reports yet. >> i had not heard the report. >> right. >> the person that accompanied them was a bus driver who i think might have picked them up somehow after they were fleeing and as they began talking, i realized something really horrible happened. >> they called their parents from your house. >> i asked them for their numbers. their parents came and i hugged their parents. it was so good to see their parents. they were so happy. they were so happy. i was about ready to go to a diner, a local diner here in newtown in sandy hook and all of our lives have changed in just a few minutes. the community's still here. good. i like being here. i like going to the diner. it's an old vestage of our culture, a family diner. it was just up the street. and i never got up to the diner. >> families are so important to this community and they're a big part of why this community is so special. what was it like to watch these children reunited with their own? >> it was so -- it was just -- i -- i didn't know who to hug, the children or the parents, so i just hugged them both. my arms were not big enough to get around them all. wi us so happy that they saw their children and their children were immediately talking about them. >> and the children were so fortunate you were there. >> thank you. >> thank you. later they're going to advice us on gun control. for the rest of you, your local channel. stay with us. you're watching "cbs this morning saturday." and we're back. anthony mason and i are here in newtown, connecticut and we're also joined by john miller who has been following this right from the beginning. yesterday, john, i was struck by -- you and i were sitting at the anchor desk for the evening news around 11:30 and you were getting these phone calls from law enforcen't about it. we were looking at each other in disbelief. it was at that moment john hard to imagine that those numbers could be real, and yet here we are sitting here today and they are. >> that's right, rebecca. and i recall vividly these texts were coming to my phone, 27 dead 14 of them children. i didn't want to say the numbers out loud because i thought this must be a mistake, but i pushed the phone over to you and showed you the text messages and i said, you know this can't be true true, and as it unfolded it turned out to be true and worse. >> and you're a father john. you have children about this age. i remember looking across at you. you've been in this business and you've been covering these stories both as a journalist and in the fbi as an investigator. it must be tough to hear the news. >> it is. no matter how much experience you have in law enforcement i've been on cases where children have been killed. as a father it affects you differently than it does -- or would before. >> we'll be right back. stay with us. you're watching "cbs this morning saturday." welcome to "cbs this morning saturday." i'm anthony mason. >> and i'm rebecca jarvis and we are live in newtown, connecticut, this morning with cbs news coverage of the massacre of young children at sandy hook elementary school. we begin this half hour with "cbs this morning" senior correspondent john miller who's in new york with the very latest on the investigation of yesterday's attack. john you've been following this almost from the moment that it began. what have you learned? >> what we're learning is investigators have more questions to answer than they have answers for them and they're going down a path of trying to establish some critical things. number one, they need a time line and a pathway of exactly what occurred in that school starting with how did the suspect get in. they had heard reports that he showed up at the door identified himself, and was buzzed in. we have reports that he shot out a window and walked through the glass or opened the door there. in these things it's very confusing because these police when they made their immediate entry, they may have taken out the glass. so they've really got to sort through it. they also need to know what was the motive behind this. the answer may not resonate with us when we finally learn it but part of the investigation is going to be to find out what drove it and how long the individual who carried this out, adam lanza, was involved in planning it. did he give others warning? that is very typical when people send out warning signals that they're doing something like that and they'll be looking at that. and then the issue of the guns how were they registered to his mom, what did they look like how did he get access of those. all questions they're looking to answer. >> this suspect adam lanza, you've described him as someone who was living with his mom at home. he had left his room in immaculate condition, spotless. and he also was reportedly wearing a bulletproof vest at the scene of the crime where he was found dead. what more can you tell us about that? >> well, investigators who did the search of the house yesterday, they had exogent circumstances. they took a step back and said we're going do thentry very carefully. what we learned in aurora is in some cases these are booby trapped by the shooter, so working with the bomb squad from the connecticut state police and the s.w.a.t. team they did a very cautious entry and then they found that the mother had been shot in the face. and when you consider this was a homicide committed by her son, that is a very personal very aggressive way from offender character riis sticks speaks to the idea that he certainly had serious issues with his mother. then when they get to his room they see that it is not what they expect from the room of maybe a 20-year-old if you've about ever been in a college dorm. it was one investigator who was inside. it was described as immaculate. everything was folded put away everything had a place, nothing strewn around. and it seems telling in some way of the organized personality of someone who would go to such intricate and detailed planning for such a terrible crime. >> john one thing we're hearing from school officials this morning is, you know how do we get at the issue of mental illness in people and preventing something like this earlier than, you know at the front door of the school obviously. are there warning signs for people like this? >> well, there are. and we've learned an awful lot about them. there is, you know what we call pathway behavior and i think when we talk to our former fbi profiler later, she'll discuss this. that's when they start to take the actions that show they're going down the path of actually doing something. that may be obtaining the weapons, buying large amounts of ammunition, going to the sites, and doing their walk-throughs to plan how they're going to do it. but there's also what they call warning behavior. that's when they tell friends, whether it's on facebook or whether it's in person soon you'll see i'm going to get even or i'm going to teach people a lesson, comments like that. and in almost every case we see warning behavior and in many many cases we see people ignore that because they just don't believe it. they don't believe the person intends to do it or is capable. more and more often now we're seeing where people are hearing that and have taken that lesson. we recently saw a case where a young man planned to shoot up a movie theater at a premiere of a vampire movie, and it was his own mother who said he's bought these weapons, he's bought this ammunition, and i think he's going do something, and that was prevented. >> all right. john miller in our new york bureau. thank you, john. >> thank you, john. the issue of gun control was barely mentioned during the presidential campaign but is it possible that the connecticut school shooting could alter the political equation in washington and prompt the first serious debate on guns in years? >> our hearts are broken for the parents of the survivors as well. >> when president obama made his remarks about the shootings in connecticut, he was standing in the james s. brady briefing room, named after the former press secretary who was injured when a gunman opened fire on president reagan in 1981 and whose name became synonymous with gun control. the brady act requiring background checks, was signed into law almost 20 years ago. the last significant gun control legislation, the assault weapons ban, expired in 2004. >> as a country, we have been through this too many times. on friday the president sent a clear signal to congress that gun control must be addressed on a national level. >> we're going to have to come together to take meaningful action to prevent more tragedies like this regardless of the politics. >> there's another precedent for the white house seizing the moment for gun control, the assassinations of president kennedy, martin luther king and robert kennedy, led to the gun control act of 1968. new york mayor michael bloomberg, a staunch gun control advocate yesterday took the president to task on the issue. the country needs him to send a bill to congress to fix this problem, calling for meaningful action is not enough. we need immediate action. but friday was a day to remember the fallen. >> the majority of those who died today were children. they had their entire lives ahead of them. birthdays, graduations weddings kids of their own. >> so will this tragedy make a real difference in gun control? let's get some perspective from someone who's followed it since the kennedy assassination. chief white house correspondent and "face the nation" bob schieffer. bob, good morning to you. do you think this rely changes things? >> i think when we saw the president say we must come together and take some meaningful action i took him at his word but what will that action be and what is possible? what has happened here rebecca, after the assassination of kennedy and later with the assassination attempt on ronald reagan, we began to have a serious debate on gun control, but the national rifle association, perhaps the most influential lobby in washington declared war on any kind of gun control, and in 2004 when the a assault bans weapon ran out they said well the war is over and the nra has won. since then politicens democrats and republicans have been extremely reluctant to talk about this. during the last session of congress, no gun control legislation of any kind. when i say gun control, i'm talking about things like tightening background checks, that sort of thing. nothing got out of committee. there was no vote on the floor as far as i can think of on that kind of legislation. so this is going to be a very very difficult thing to do. but, you know the question we have to ask ourselves is what happened yesterday? are we as a society going to accept that as normal? as something that we can't do anything about? and i think that is going to be the base question that we have to ask as a people. >> bob, it's not clear from what the president said yesterday how prepared he is to make it an issue. there was a statement from the mayor of new york calling again for gun control. he's one of the few public officials even talking about it. as you point out, there isn't even a conversation about this going on in washington, is there? >> no. i mean congress is literally afraid to take on the national rifle association because they know that if they make any kind of statement, a member knows, that even suggests some sort of limits that the national rifle association is going to pour hundreds of thousands of dollars in a campaign to defeat them. we were trying to line up people to be on "face the nation" tomorrow to talk about this. this is the time when you call people and they suddenly seem unavailable, not only for comment, but certainly unavailable to present themselves on television. it just underlice how serious this is and how feared the national rifle association is. we talk about the washington aarp, many of whom are on social security, the powerful lobby, the energy lob ibylobbies. you've seen all types of lobbies spring up tot to raise taxes. i think the national rifle association is more feared than any of those associations. >> that is a very interesting point. bob, thank you. bob schieffer. bob will have more tomorrow morning on "face the nation." also we're going to take another quick look at the weather for your weekend. . and up next what was goej three the mind of the shooter. will we ever know his motivation? 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mary ellen o'toole is a former senior profiler for the fbi and author of "dangerous instincts:how gut feelings beltre us." good morning. >> good morning. >> i think what strikes us are the ages of the children. i mean did that shock you as much as it shocked everyone else? >> i was absolutely stunned when i heard about the number of children and their ages. it's just absolutely stunning regarding this victimology. >> and then you ask yourself how could someone do this why would someone do this. >> it's very difficult for people like you and me to really comprehend how you can possibly target so many children who are so young, but that may be the very reason that they were targeted because they're very vulnerable, they're fragile, they're helpless they don't fight back they're really contained in those classrooms they can't run. so from the perspective of the shooter, they make perfect victims, perfect targets. it's a horrible thing to say, but behaviorally that's probably the element for him. >> mary ellen o'tooleh o'toole, thank you for helping us out in this. >> you're welcome. >> one of the thing that strikes me, one of the characteristics -- and i learned a lot of this from you -- is people tend to lash out at the people in the world that they think have shut them out or isolated them. that means killing co-workers at the office or fellow students of their own age at a high school for instance. what does it signal or say in this instance where a defender kills children he probably never met or knew and certainly weren't the source of his issues in his life? >> that's right. these children did nothing to him. they were, for the most part john, they would have been strangers to him. based on what is known right now, there does appear to be some relationship that this shooter most likely had with that school and that relationship could have come from the mother if she worked there, which seems to be the impetus here. so if those children were important to the mother going in and kill as what's important to the mother could have been one of the primary motives behind targeting those specific children in those specific classrooms. >> if i might follow up the other thing we've always talked about together is warning behavior. in almost every case the killer sends out signals before they're going do something. do you expect to see that here even from an individual who, as this report shapes up seemed to be a bit of a loner? >> i do expect to see that here. and isn't that the characterization that we hear so often on these shooters they're loners and somewhat a recluse. however, i do expect to see warning behaviors. and, john i expect to see multiple warning behaviors that were either ignored, rationalized, explained away. but they're going to be there. and i think as the investigation continues, those will be revealed. >> which, mary ellen, you bring up such an interesting and good point because oftentimes this is what happens. there are warning signs, they are ignored, and it's hard to separate the true criminal from a person who just happens to have really negative warning signs in their life which never comes to fruition. >> well that's right. and when we talk about warning signs to law enforcement or to the schools, what we tell them is look don't vet these warning signs yourself. call law enforcement. let them vet them, take a look at them investigate them. because you may have just one piece of the puzzle with the warning sign that you saw, and with all those pieces law enforcement would be able to say this is a serious threat or there's nothing to it. but don't vet that warning behavior on your own. >> mary ellen o'toole, thank you so much. we appreciate your insight. and up next cbs news state department correspondent margaret brennan returns to newtown. her personal story of growing up nearby and how the tragedy has impacted her family and friends. you're watching "cbs this morning saturday." 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>> reporter: junior high age. >> when you're talking to your family and they're on the ground here, especially in the initial stages of this what were they telling you? what was the feedback? >> reporter: we were just trying to find out where people were and if they were okay and part-time were trying to find out what they could do. that's what was so disappointing is people were sent home. there was no one to help. there were so few people. one of the kids actually made it to the hospital who later died and one of the adults as well. so it's very strange. my family is struggling with what they tell their kids and how they explain this and whether they go back to school or not. i mean most activities have been canceled this weekend, so there isn't a lot of distraction from all of this right now. >> right. well, i imagine it's hard to be distracted around here from this. and i imagine also in many ways the community at this point is still absorbing all the information before they can really start to come to grips with what's happened. >> reporter: yeah. i mean i was eating dinner last night at the restaurant we were at. there were so many people just sharing stories. the bus driver who drove these kids to school yesterday was there at the bar and talking to people. i mean you don't want to go up and bother people as a journalist, and i didn't want to be that yesterday. so it's -- it's a shock. i mean people are just really sort of trying to absorb and just get through, i think, is what i know from my connections here. >> what do you think that the rest of the nation who's watching can do to help them rebuild? >> i don't know frankly. i mean i don't know what your next day is. i don't know how they explain to some of these little kids what happened. there are mandatory debriefings you have to deal with. when you're dealing with a small child, there's a lot. >> thanks margaret. >> thanks margaret. stay with us. we'll be right back. and we're back with margaret brennan. margaret margaret, we were talking about the fact that you have family that lives in this town lives nearby. you grew up not far from here. you had one of the first e-mails that i got from cbs news. is it an uncle who worked with ems or somebody in your family was seeing some of the first responses to this. >> the first phone call was to find out where my cousins were because they're here in newtown. my cousin fiona attends st. rose school. i was calling to find out what they were hearing or doing and it was so strarj to see the headlines flash. one of our producers, i said can you believe it happened? >> right. nobody believes it's possible. >> reporter: no. when i think of newtown, i think of the town hall $2 movies places i went to my dance recitals growing up. you don't think of something like this happening to a place that you have connections to. as you can see, you've walked around. it's small-town feel and people know each other. there's no anonymous sense of loss here. i think everyone knows someone. it's a small town. it's a small state. >> what gene rosen who lives across the school pointed out this morning is in a second this whole incident changed him. it's different. >> one of the nurses i was talking to yesterday said she was scheduled to work the night shift and she didn't sleep all day because she couldn't walk away from her television set even though she knew she had to go in and do her work. people were so shocked and frozen. and the local churches. they were planning christmas welcome back to "cbs this morning saturday." from newtown, connecticut, i'm rebecca jarvis? and i'm anthony mason. we're here to bring you full coverage of the tragic shooting attack at the sandy hook elementary school that left 20 children and seven adults dead before the gunman killed himself. cbs news justice correspondent bob orr joins us now from our washington bureau. good morning, bob. >> good morning, anthony and rebecca. today is not any easier than yesterday. i'm afraid to say i don't believe we have a great deal -- a lot of new answers as to what really went on here. we do know at this point the investigators are very confident that one gunman carried out this atrocity. that's adam lanza, the 20-year-old man that we've been talking about. we know that he used three weapons that were apparently purchased legally and registered in the name of his mother. a couple of the wells were semiautomatic pistols, a glock 9 millimeter and a sig sauer. also a m-223. there were conflicting reports. first report says the gun may have been in his mother's car in the parking lot, but later that was called into question when some .223 casings, shell casings were found inside the school. now there's a belief that the weapon was directly involved in the attack. whatever it was, this was a young man armed to the teeth, went to a very specific target very undefended target and very much at will had his way there. it was an awful morning. >> bob, at this point, the shooter's relationship to the school is a little more shady at this point if you will. it looked initially like his mother was a teacher a school. now, we know she wasn't a teacher and it's not even clear if she worked there. is that correct? >> yeah. in these types of stories, anthony, you have very fluid accounts. the investigators are trying to piece them together in real time and we're trying our best to keep up with that. yeah, there are conflicting reports as to what her relationship to the school might have been. some say she may have been an aide working or volunteer working at the school. but it is clear that adam lanza was familiar with the target. when he got to the school he was somebody who understood the building's layout, knew where he was going apparently. and this is important because it seems as if according to investigators, that he went to a specific section of the school and targeted for whatever reason, whatever the reason might have been targeting two specific classrooms of young children. so as they work back through the planning, whatever it was that led him to do this. among the questions they were trying to answer is why the school, why was this a target. was he trying to carry out some kind of revenge in his mind something against the target that may have been important to his mother? these are all the things that investigators are trying to untangle. >> bob this has become a national story at this point and it has national consequences. how are the federal authorities supporting the local authorities in this investigation? >> you know it's an interesting point, rebecca. a lot of times federal official s accuse the local authorities. in this case they have the full support across the spectrum of government agencies from washington. the atf for example, they are now tracing the guns, trying to check the ownership and when they were purchased and how they were maintained that kind of thing. of course, the fbi has been involved with evidence assistance. so while it is a local and state investigation, federal officials are involved as well. >> bob or in our washington bureau. thank you, bob. >> thank you, bob. we're going to take one last look at your local weather. here's the weather for your weekend. up next, 13 years ago, another deadly school shooting shocked the world. now one family devastated by columbine is speaking out on the newtown killings. you're watching "cbs this morning saturday." you're watching "cbs this morning saturday." this cold season, nasal congestion won't slow me down. i made the clear choice. i'm getting claritin clear with claritin-d. nasal congestion keep me away ? 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>> there's a lot of nonvernbal communication that comes from children as parents know and something we need to be extremely attentive to. children stop talking or become agitated. they might become more aggressive with their siblings or have any behavioral change you can think of including sleep problems, they can't sleep at night, they're having nightmares. but all of these issues are things that parents should be aware of and those are signals to the parents that we really need to get close, we need to be reassuring, and we need to be providing information that is absolutely relevant to their particular age and developmental stage. and i think by doing those things we can really help children get through what is going to be a very difficult time, especially a lot of younger children. >> lee, there's really no how-to booklet for dealing with something like this. being at the vigil, i talked to so many parents who had so many different viewpoints what they would tell their children how they would handle this at home. i wonder what you're doing in your home with your children. >> last night was a big night in my house because my 12-year-old twins were going to their first boy/girl dance. so the television was on and i walked into the room and i just turned it off, and my girls had a lot of questions but they were sort of general. are we safe. and i -- actually one twin's response was very different from the other, and so my answer is always broad brush strokes. don't give them any more information than you need. but, of course the first question is mom, can this happen in our school and my big answer to parents is don't lie to them. you can't pretend you have all the answers, but what i say to my kids is i believe you're safe and we're doing everything in our town to keep you safe. but you can't tell your kids that no harm willer come to them or they will never see a bad thing. to keep it general, we hugged we touched, did their hair. it's all those little things that noenlt wasanthony was talking about. >> lee, it's interesting. even when you answer the question the first time it's still there a number of days later. you've got to persist on this don't you? >> i think the lingering days, you feeling or hor are you doing, the open-ended questions to get them to be more specific. the last thing i want to do is ask them any of the specifics of the details of this tragedy. >> doctor, if you're personally upset, do you hide that from your children? do you share it with them? >> well, actually you need to remain as calm and under control as possible. every adult human being, adult parent, grand parent, is feeling the trauma of this tremendous event. it's very important when interacting with your children that you remain calm and reassuring and as stable as possible. it's not that you don't acknowledge that you're upset. you can do that at the same time being reassuring and a stable figure. they call adults buffers for serious trauma like this for children and it's very important that we see ourselves acting to protect our kids and doing so may be difficult. but expressing the fact that this is a horrible event, you feel terrible about it at the same time you feel like you're reassuring them and the closeness that lee was talking about, that has to be done all at the same time. it can come up days weeks, months from now as to the behaviors and questions and whatever's going on with their children. just stay close and stay alert to any of the signals that may indicate their children are being more effective than you might think. >> one of the things i worry about in this culture with video games and movies and we're so exposed to violence is it's really important to show the children that you're em pathic. so yesterday when my daughter came up to me on the couch i had tears in my eyes. i said honey, i'm so, so sad. i want you to thing about these families. it's a real thing. i think there's a tendency to feel numb because you think it happens all the time. it's important to tell your children these are real people real lives. >> good point. >> thank you for being with us. more on the shooting in newtown from your local news with john miller. 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[ barks ] send your own free kleenex® care pack... full of soothing essentials at kleenex.com. kleenex®. america's softest tissue. before we leave, stay with cbs news and cbs.com for continuing coverage on the newtown shooting tragedy. tonight at 10:00 eastern time, "tragedy in newtown," a "48 hours" special report. we have been in newtown for less than 24 hours. we want to say thank you to newtown as a community. first of all, they are housing a number of journalists, and we're here to cover this story. it is obviously a very sad day here, and you can feel it in the late autumn air and see it on the faces of the people who live here everywhere around you. >> we leave you this saturday morning with a look back at the events of the past day with prayers for healing for those touched by this terrible tragedy. evil visited this community today. earlier today, a number of our citizens beautiful children, had their lives taken away from them. sandy hook school. caller indicating she thinks there's someone shooting in the building. >> the majority of those who died today were children. beautiful little kids between the ages of 5 and 10 years old. >> you're continuing to hear what you believe to be gunfire. >> we've got bodies here. >> they had their entire lives ahead of them. birthdays, graduation, weddings kids of their own. >> we just ran to the fire station, and we -- you just saw lots and lots of kids and crying and parents, and you just search, for your child's teacher, for your child's face. i heard mommy mommy, and there he was, sitting there waiting for us. >> what an amazing moment after going through the sheer terror of that to see my son alive. >> i'm just so grateful to the teacher who saved him. >> you think the teacher saved his life. >> she definitely did. >> while these parents were waiting for their children to come out, they thought that they were, you know still alive, and there's 20 pavements that were just told that their children are dead. it was awful. >> all those families i am so sorry. i am so sorry you have this to deal with. >> nothing makes sense like this. it's senseless. ♪ >> right now we have 20 new saints, 20 beautiful angels, a 20 people who are angels for all the days to come. >> all i can think of is they were about to -- they were excited and they were getting ready to celebrate christmas. >> little 5- and 6-year-old kids, their lives were stripped from them. >> these neighborhoods are our neighborhoods, and these children are our children. >> we're all in this together. we'll get through it. >> there are no words. there are no words. >> i have no words that makes the pain of what happened today easier to bear. >> may god bless the memory of the vim tims and in the words of scripture, heal the brokenhearted and bind up their wounds. we came out here in the dark this morning and it struck me that as we felt the sun come up on our backs and things began to wark up and it's a very bright day here in newtown, connecticut, but it's also a very dark day because they're only just beginning to really see what happened here. we still don't know the names of the victims. the bodies are still in the school. there is still much to sort through in these next few days and it's going to be -- and christmas is still coming up. >> right around the corner. >> and i think for so many families here, you know remembering christmas is always going to mean remembering this. >> yeah. it is going to be incredibly tough on this community and so many communities. you saw last night at the vigils. people from all over the state came. senator blumenthal the governor, even the pope sent a message to the people here to st. rose church. and i think one of the -- if you can call it a happier message, it's looking at the teachers and what those teachers in the sandy hook classrooms did for those children. >> amazing things. amazing things. thank you for being with us this saturday morning. our prayers go out to the people here in newtown, connecticut. thanks for joining us. >> thank you. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com young lives shattered after that shooting inside an there's 20 parents that were just told that their children are dead. >> young lives shattered. new details this morning about the gunman and the heros who helped save lives. an emotional conversation over gun control laws here in the u.s. it is 7 o'clock saturday morning, december 15th. thanks for joining us today. it's a difficult day. it has been 24 hours now. people in newtown connecticut and
it was headed to san antonio texas from washington, d.c. when it lost pressure over east texas. it descended 10,000 feet before making an emergency landing at dallas fort worth around 8:00 last night. we return to extreme weather. storms combatbattering the east. >> 15 tornados in florida, north carolina and virginia combined. this is a wide swath of area severe winds and flipping cars over and ripping roofs off of homes. white out conditions, stranding drivers and delaying flights there. >> we are tracking the storm. i was terrified a tree was going to come down. i didn't sleep all night. >> the lightning was like springtime. >> we had a severe thunderstorm watch in effect issued during the nighttime hours. the storms were battling the mid atlantic producing thunderstorms out there and brought severe weather across parts of the northeast. here's a look at the tornado reports from yesterday that were across parts of north carolina and into vir require and maryland. really a consecrate cell. this is the highest of severe weather that's where we saw a lot of tornadic activity yesterday. we saw tornadoes touchdown and we saw it produce damage. it is a fast moving storm system. the storm system is already on the way out. the warm sector is moving out first. we have to deal with the cold and snow on the backside of the storm system across parts of the great lakes. also across parts of the appalachians. in west virginia you are going to continue to see the snowfall as we head into 6:00 p.m. this evening. we are dealing with winter weather. you can see that downwind of lake erie and lake ontario. because of this we have a number of advisories in effect because of accumulation and also strong winds. let's head over to you. >> we will definitely check back with you, maria. thank you. apple krk eo tim cook says unlocking the san bernardino killer's phone would be bad for america. cook speaking out ahead of tomorrow's deadline sent by a federal judge. garrett tenney is live for us. tim cook says he has no plans to comply with the court order. in his first interview to create special software allowing the fbi to hack into the iphone of one of the san bernardino shooters. that kind of software this kind of precedent is equivalent to a cancer which would be bad for america. >> we believe it does put hundreds of millions of customers at risk. in addition if a court can ask us to write this piece of software, think about what else they could ask us to write. maybe it's an operating system for sur ray lens. maybe it's the ability for law unforcement to turn on a camera. i don't know where this stops. >> federal authorities insisted they are asking for narrow assistance with this one particular iphone which they believe could pertain information related to the san bernardino killings. doing so would make every iphone susceptible to hacking by criminals in the future. yesterday in a house appropriation's subcommittee hearing loretta lynch defended the fbi. >> if the government needs the assistance of third parties to ensure the search is conducted judges around the country and supreme court have said those party must do reasonably in their power to do so. the attorney general went on to say congress does not need to get involved in the issue, something apple has been calling for. tim cook haze apple is prepared to paining this catake this casy to the supreme court. >> oo the final republican debate before super tuesday. some candidates picked up a few key endorsements. how could this effect their campaigns? we turn to houston texas for more. >> good morning to you, heather. everything is bigger in texas particularly when it comes to politics. 155 delegates at stake in the lone star state. this is more than texas because 12 other states for grabs in the big super tuesday coming up on march the 1th. ted cruz leads in the latest polls. donald trump is making a big play for voters. congressman duncan hunter of california and chris collins of new york. trump also continuing to hammer cruz for what he calls dishonest politics. here he is at an event last night in virginia. >> things were said that were lies, frankly. i can't mention his presence. i tell people real i say state is pretty tough. you meet some tough people. these politicians are not such good people. >> marco rubio continues to rack up endorsements but haven't put any states in the win column is now going after trump much more vigorously than he has in the past. >> the frontrunner in the race donald trump eluded to the fact that he thinks parts of obamacare are pretty good. i can tell you everybody running for president tells you i want to get rid of obamacare. i am the only one that has ever done anything about it meaningful. >> marco rubio is treading into dangerous tir tory going after trump with such vigor. he left him alone. i like marco but there's a tendency for friends to become mortal enemies. what marco rubio is engaging in now to tap dancing on a land mine. many times that might not work out so well. >> no shuffle ball changing there. tap dancers know what i am talking about. >> texans launching donald trump into a brand new feud with foamer gop presidential nominee, mitt romney. >> i think we have good reason to believe there's a bombshell in donald trump's taxes. either he is not as wealthy as he says he is or he hasn't paid the taxes he expects to pay or he hasn't been giving money to the vets or disabled. >> trump took to twitter to respond writing mitt romney totally blew an election that should have been won and whose tax returns made him look like a fool is now playing tough guy. romney faced criticism for not releasing some of his own tax documents. donald trump skipping a special town hall meeting at fox saying he had a scheduling conflict. the other four candidates made a final pitch to voters before taking the stage for tonight's debate. >> there are three major candidates in this ming donald marco and me. the only campaign being felt is our campaign. if you are among the 65 percent of republicans that think donald is the right choice super tuesday is the chance to coal less can. >> i hold my record for taking conservative ideals against any one running. >> i beat hillary clinton by more than any other candidate. donald trump if i go head to head with him in ohio i beat him by 18 points. i entend to go all of the way. i intend to be the nominee and i intend to beat hillary clin don -- clinton. >> i think there's still a possibility. it's in critical condition right now. i don't see anybody else who is going to do anything about it. >> the question no you can cruise or rubio still win the race? fox news contributor charles krauthammer says it is possible they change their tactics. >> forget about the liar and the dirty tricks, he got distracted, ended up on the defense wasting time. he needs to find an attack line. i think it may apply to rubio. what possibly could work against trump? i think you want to do a distracti distraction. i think you go after him on the tax returns. i think romney is on to something. i think it can be deflected. i am not sure it would be effective. but nothing else that has been tried is going to work. they both have to work on defending their home state. >> tonight's debate the last chance for the other candidates to slow down trump before next week super tuesday. >> the battle to fill scalia's seat is on. republicans fighting back to block his nomination. they met with king jordan. >> i recognize the thing to do is give in to the most extreme voices within their party. >> they are pretty sheepish about itment>> those comments come as brian sandi ball the judge is being vetted for the vacancy setting up a possible political roadblock senate republicans vow to block the president's pick even if it is someone from their own party. as the world turns. >> thousands are expected to attend a benefit concert tonight to honor new york city police officer killed in afghanistan. justice lem was also known as super man was killed in a suicide bombing back in december with his third overseas tour. the concert is held at the capital theater in new york. donations will help support his 4-year-old son, his wife and 17-year-old step daughter. thousands of officers attended his funeral at st. patrick's cathedral back in december. >> it is 12 minutes after the hour. a brand new threat against isis the terror group vowing retaliation for efforts to suspend isis affiliated social media who has a target on their back. >> intense moments a man dived into the middle of the street into on coming traffic. all of this to save a toddler. how all of this dramatic scene ended. >> look at this guy here giving this hollywood heartthrob his money after hiding his own game. >> looks like dicaprio. >> in the jacket is leo, right? 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you are not in our league. neither company has responded to the death threats. heather? >> jackie ibanez live. thank you, jackie. >> if you want to report police you better ask first. a federal judge ruling videotaping law enforcement without telling them why is illegal and is not covered as free speech under the first amendment, meaning this cell phone video showing freddie graves controversial request would have been ill legal to capture without asking the officers first. the judge says officers never know how the footage will be used. let's talk about this? is it free speech to film officers? log on to facebook page for a live debate #keep talking. >> congressman david succeessel made it illegal for someone who has committed a crime to own a gun. if you threaten a black family because of your race you shouldn't be allowed to buy a gun. the bill is unlikely to pass. if you don't like your credit score facebook won't either. >> to determine your credit worthiness based on facebook friends is over. the idea that making your finances dependent on social presence is creepy derailed effort to deem facebook friends more important than credit scores. facebook added 5 i am mow jis now you can click on wow, haha, sad or angry and you can also give the thumbs up. 52 million pounds of pork bellies that's the most in the year and that supply is bringing down the price of bacon. the company known for the greek yogurt 800 california mcdonalds will sell parfaits and yogurt with chobani. a range rover complete with leather tripled gun face if you want to drive the luxury suv act fast. they are only forthing 30 of them to the u.s. >> sign me up. i want one. >> thanks lauren. at the t 19 minutes after the top of the hour. a major warn being lead in the water. >> a basketball player levitating. what is going viral? 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"xfinity x1 lets you access the greatest library of oscar moments, simply by using your voice. live oscar sunday, february 28th on abc." >> officials say they contracted the virus while outside of the u.s. the names and countries of where they traveled are not being released. the ms. cobourne virus causes brain damage to babies. they are warning their residents about lead in the water. pregnant women and children under the ages of 5 are being urged to stick with filtered or bottled water. they insist the water is safe to drink but they want people to use filters as a precaution. >> a high school basketball player makes a move you cannot believe. >> krar lee simkus is here with what is trending. >> they are in awe of one high schooler's moves on the basketball court. take a look at this picture of walker stillman. it looks like he's floating in mid air but this picture is not photo shopped. he said he was jumping for a rebound and relaxed his body. >> it looks like he's suspended in air. >> perfect timing. >> looks effortless. >> jetblue trying to bring people together this election season. >> they asked a cabin full for a free round trip air fair. all 150 passengers had to agree on the location. >> we are going somewhere international. raise your hands for costa rica, aruba, jamaica, turks and caicos. it's between costa rica and turks and caicos. it must be a unanimous decision. >> they had the length of their 6 hour flight to decide. in the end they came together and choose to go to costa rica. >> they all got to caucus and it worked out. >> i would have been turks and caicos. >> i would have killed. nobody would have been able to go. you ladies would have been spoilers. >> tell us about this young swedish model, a man and he's making movie fans do a real double take. >> of who? >> leonardo dicaprio swedish look alike is giving the oscar nominee a run for his money. he landed a major gig modeling for ralph lauren. he reach the social media fame for his resem lens to dicaprio. he can reportedly sing and dance like michael jackson. >> he does looks like a young leonardo dicaprio. >> fox news headlines 24 xm 115. >> a stern warning to china about our oval office. why they are keeping a close eye on donald trump. >> grab a car. hey, your truck is on fire. get out. >> the hero rushing in to a burning car to save the man inside. apple igniting new outrage. he gaye this reason for refusing to do it. >> this is nothi something you n create. this would be bad for america. >> a oo withe latest as the deadline looms. >> a peeping tom trial goes before a judge. >> she is tear fied. she is depressed. full of anxiety. >> 33.50 a piece. >> not going to happen. >> we will tell you about a new app that divides the bill. race and gender. "fox & friends first" continues right now. >> good morning to you. welcome to "fox & friends first". i am heather childers. >> it is half past the hour. the apple ceo tim cook says the san bernardino killer's phone would be bad for america. >> cook speaking out ahead of tomorrow's deadline set before a judge to help the fbi. >> in his first interview since it erupted he has no plans to comply with the court order. cook said doing so would put the millions of other iphone users at risk and open the door for hackers to steal all of the private information on their phones. >> it could expose people to the incredible moments this is not something that we would create. this would be bad for america. it would set a precedent many people would be offended by. >> they are only asking for this narrow assistance. those kinds of lone wolf attacks are what homeland security secretary jay johnson says keeps him up at night and why it is such a that will length for law enforcement. >> the fundamentally different place we are in in terms of the global terrorist threat is more complicated. it involves smaller scale attacks bioterrorist inspired actors here in the home land. >> tim cook az he's going to speak with president obama about this issue. apple will take it to the supreme court if necessary. >> garrett tenney live for us in washington. judge nap ball tano says he thinks it will go to the supreme court. they are saying ma the fbi is asking to do could be potentially dangerous. >> i am with apple. i think american security i am thinking american security is better protected with unbreakable end to end encryption. i used to work with back doors. when somebody put a back door to something the odds of success went up. that may be different than single isolated phone we have gotten in san bernardino. if i do this it will lead to that. i agree with apple. that's a bad instinct. >> we turn to extreme weather. storms battling the east coast tonight killing at least four people in virginia. a state of emergency now in effect. >> 16 tornadoes in florida north carolina and virginia combined. severe wind and rain and ripping roofs off of homes. white out conditions stranding drivers. maria molina is tracking what is next. >> what a dangerous storm system. in the warm sector you are dealing with sever weather. we have rain moving off the coast. we are still dealing with a lot of heavy snowfall across parts of the great lakes. i want to share some of the tornado reports. we have had many tornado warnings through the afternoon and evening hours across north carolina and virginia. it brought storms across places from new york city with strong winds. it is going to be picking up in intensity through ontario and across higher elevations. out there you are expecting snowfall accumulation generally speaking across the higher elevations in west virginia you could pick up 4-8 inches and downwind of the great lakes. worth allegedly opened fire killing nate carrigan. >> one deputy has been released from the hospital the other is facing life threatening injuries. all three have been long time best friends of the department. >> breaking overnight iran arresting the father of an american citizen who is already behind bars there. the 80-year-old ailing father has been arrested and thrown in prison in tehran. his son was arrested in october accused of cooperating with the united states. this is the third case being arrested by iran since last month's prisoner swap. it could be crucial shore the republican presidential frontrunners. >> fireworks they are showing no mercy of attacking one another. john roberts is life in houston, texas. >> good morning to you from houston, texas. can any one stop donald trump. he has won three of the last four contract -- contests. he continues to play down for how he is going to do. as some of the talks turns toward his idea of being i ever ef vitable he has begun to think about potential running bates. listen to this. >> there are names i have gotten to respect. we have had over 17 we are down to 5. some of the people that i dealt with i do have a lot of respect for. look, the main quality you want is somebody that could be a great president if something happens to you. that's got to be number one. i want somebody thablgd help me with government. >> ted cruz is aiming for a big show that he is keeping his dream alive. he continues to drive the narrative that even though he is finished fourth and third in the last three contests, he is the only candidate who can beat donald trump. o >> bt barn nim is one to watch but there comes a time when the clowns and acrobats of the dancing bears it is time to put them away. >> there is only one that has beaten and it can beat donald trump in this race. >> there's a good chance if donald trump would have run the table on tuesday this nominating contest could essentially be over. watch for cruz and rubio tonight be aggressive trying to take donald trump down but trump will arrive ready for a fight. >> he was skipping a town hall meeting because he had a scheduling conflict. the other candidates were front and center making final pitches to voters before tonight's debate. take a listen here. >> donald marco and me. the only campaign that can beat donald, and the only campaign that has beaten donald is our campaign. if you are among those 65, 70 percent of republicans that think donald is the wrong choice, then super tuesday is the opportunity for us to coal less can. >> i hold up my record of 15 years of turning conservative ideas up against any one who is running. i can win. i can unify this party. i beat hillary clinton by more than any other candidate. donald trump if i go head to head with him in ohio i beat him by 18 points. i intend to go all of the way. i intend to be the nominee and i intend to beat hillary clinton. >> i believe there's still a possibility. i feel like we are in the process of losing our country and it is in critical 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"fox & friends" starts right now, bye. all right, good morning, everyone. it is thursday, february 25th, 2016. i'm sandra smith. republican rivals fighting to escape the shadow of donald trump, facing off right here on fox news. >> the only campaign that can beat donald, the only campaign that has beaten donald is our campaign. >> i can win. i can unify this party. i can grow this party, and i will win this election. the democrats depression prettily don't want to run against me. >> but it looks like the donald got the last word. >> with at least 140 characters. meanwhile, the ceo of apple, he's
i understand what president obama inherited. so i think what president obama did was to exemplify the importance of this issue as our first african-american president. the fact is there was a great effort made by the obama administration. let's not in anyway imply here that either president obama or myself would in anyway not take on any vested interest. >> no doubt she was looking to make points in south carolina, where 28% of registered voters are african-american. checking a gallup poll taken last week found the president's approval rating among african-americans is a whopping 92%. the democratic primary in the palmetto state is all of 15 days away. as for bernie sanders and his counter, he embraced the president as well, after pointing out that questioning authority is part of what he does. >> last i heard, we lived in a democratic society. last i heard, united states senator had the right to disagree with the president, including a president who has done such an extraordinary job. so i have voiced criticisms. maybe you haven't. i have. >> let's begin the hour with cnn politics senior reporter steven colinson. we pointed out some of the moments there. how do you think hillary clinton did? >> i think she had a good debate, given the last time we saw her publicly was after the new hampshire primary when she was given a speech that was encapsulating her own defeat to sanders. i think it was a good night for hillary clinton in that sense. i think we saw what is going to be a war of attrition between clinton and sanders. no real attempt by the former secretary of state to land a knockout punch. she did land some telling blows on bernie sanders and began to make this narrative clear she is the, you know, favored successor to barack obama. clearly, as you said, she was having one eye on the south carolina primary. barack obama is very popular in south carolina among african-american voters but also among democrats generally. and there's no real appetite in this democratic primary for voters to see their candidates taking shots at the president. so i think she had a good night but it was -- it showed us how the race has changed since iowa and new hampshire. we're in for a long haul i think, brooke. >> you mentioned president obama. i want to get the bernie sanders side of things and raise a pervasive issue here. here is senator sanders from last night. >> sadly in america today in our economy a whole lot of those poor people are african-american. >> so race relations would be better under a sanders presidency than they've been. >> absolutely. instead of giving tax breaks to billionaires, we are going to create millions of jobs for low-income kids so they're not hanging out on street corners. we're going to make sure those kids stay in school or are able to get a college education. >> here's one more piece of sound, steven. this is more on bernie sanders tone. >> i think once i'm in the white house we will have enough political capital to be able to do that, but i am conscious of the fact we also have to be very clear, especially with young people, about what kind of government is going to do what for them and what it will cost. >> senator. >> well, secretary clinton, you're not in the white house yet. >> was he too aggressive there? >> yes, that was kind of line maybe think twice, you know, when i heard it. it was perhaps a new side of bernie sanders we haven't really seen. in the previous debate last week before new hampshire, there were some pretty bitter exchanges between them. but that exchange is one that was initiated by senator sanders. it didn't seem to be responding to a particular attack by hillary clinton. we saw back in 2008 there were several occasions where president obama sort of struck the wrong note in a debate against hillary clinton and got himself in a little bit of trouble for that and in some ways perhaps prolonged the race and gave her a little bit of extra strength. i think it's maybe a sign that bernie sanders now feels after winning new hampshire by such a wide margin that he's on an equal stage with hillary clinton in this race and doesn't perhaps feel the need to be so differential as he had been earlier in the campaign. >> steven colinson, thank you. on the intel front, cnn is now learning that u.s. intelligence officials are getting ready to brief these nominees from both political parties on these issues. cnn pentagon correspondent barbara starr. this is some time in the summer they will be briefed, this is protocol. >> it is protocol. one of the biggest signs in washington behind the scenes that it is election season. here's what's going to happen. once we have the political conventions this summer and there is a nominee from each party, presumably a democrat and a republican at this point, both of those nominees are going to start getting briefings from the intelligence community. it's not going to be the most highly classified information but it will be information not available to the rest of us. and the idea is that the intelligence community has felt for many years, many election cycles, that it's a good idea to brief these candidates so during the fall campaign season, if there is a big world crisis, they're better informed and hopefully they don't say something perhaps inned an verdictantly to destabilize a crisis further. so they will start getting these briefings. it's really interesting this cycle of course. you have candidates who have no previous government experience, donald trump. you have marco rubio who's actually a member of the senate intelligence committee and knows a good deal about all of this. secretary clinton, who's been secretary of state. bernie sanders, who's in the senate, gets some briefings already. but what the intelligence community has told me is none of that matters to them. both nominees, democrat and republican, regardless of their knowledge and experience, will get exactly the same information. it will be a level playing field. they will get exactly the same intelligence. once there is a president elect in november, that person is going to get access to the so-called crown jewels. they will very rapidly begin to brief a new president-elect on the nation's most intimate intelligence secrets, brooke. >> commander in chief time. barbara starr, thank you. early ratings indicate millions of people watched that debate between hillary clinton and bernie sanders and, as he's done in the past five debates, the sixth round, sanders pushed his domestic policies pretty hard. as far as foreign policy is concerned, voters learned what expert sanders would never consult. >> i happen to believe that henry kissinger was one of the most destructive secretaries of state in the modern history of this country. i am proud to say that henry kissinger is not my friend. i will not take advice from henry kissinger. >> i know journalists have asked who you do listen to on foreign policy and we have yet to know who that is. >> well, it ain't henry kissinger, that's for sure. >> with me now, the author of "national insecurity" david rosthcof. hello, welcome back. >> glad to be here. >> i am going to get there with you on who you think should be or could perhaps be advising senator sanders on precisely that point. first, you know, just noting the ex-canning and henry kissinger, the fact that, you know, constantly senator sanders comes back to the single issue about economic injustices. how effective that is when you're looking at this from a foreign policy lens? >> well, it's not effective in terms of a foreign policy lens. he's up against somebody who's one of the acknowledged foreign policy experts in the united states. not only was she secretary of state, she was a studious secretary of state. when she sits with other foreign policy experts, thshe tends to know more about these issues than they do. so he's, you know, recognizing that and i think that's why he's going to where he thinks his strengths are. because frankly on the foreign policy he doesn't have a record, he doesn't have many advisers and he doesn't really have a case to make. >> he does keep going back to the iraq war vote of how he argued, polled this, how he argued against the war this is back in 2002. take a listen. >> a growing deficit. we should be clear that a war and a long-term american occupation of iraq could be extremely, expensive. i am concerned with the problems of so-called unintended consequences. who will govern? what role will the u.s. play in an ensuing civil role that could develop in that country? >> maybe he needs to beef up his foreign policy chops but he seems pretty spot on there. he was right. >> he was right. most of the foreign policy establishment was wrong. but being right on one vote is not a foreign policy track record and many people who were wrong at the beginning recognized they were wrong and adjusted. in effect, that's a lot of what foreign policy is about. it's about understanding the facts on the ground as they change and adjusting to meet those facts. >> and that's hillary clinton's whole point. about, well, that was then and this is isis in 2016. different war, different issue. is it? >> yes, it's a much, much different issue. it's not just isis, it's isis in syria, it's isis in iraq, it's what's going on in libya right now. >> it's textured. >> yes and the region is complicated. it is not a time when we really want people to be learning this on the job. we've learned that. we've seen that with other presidents who come in with no foreign policy experiences. 5 out of the last presidents have come in without foreign policy experience and all of them have spent the first couple of years in office scrambling to get up to speed. one of the big questions for voters right now is whether we can afford that kind of on the job training in this kind of environment. >> if you're bernie sanders and you're talking about all this foreign policy and, yes, he's been in congress for a long, long time, but who would be advising him to the point during that exchange we played a moment ago? who would his foreign policy adviser be who would be telling him? >> honestly, i think that's a bit of one of the mysteries of this campaign. because if he had prominent foreign policy advisers, he would be parading them out there right now. i think a lot of the foreign policy community gravitates towards hillary clinton because they've worked with her in the past in a prior capacity and also because they think she's going to win. and the fact is that it was always thought that he would do better in new hampshire because he's from vermont. i think we're now entering the real phase of this campaign where we'll start see a broader type of state in terms of democrats and political tendencies and the view in many of the foreign policy community is that's going to play to her benefit and they want to be on the winning side. >> david, rothkopf, thank you so much. in this election season, the only thing missing, i can't believe i'm reading this, but it's true, soft core porn. you are about to hear about the actress in this conservative's anonymous circle here in one of his new ads. this happened. plus, 17 years ago, her son opened fire on columbine high school in the school shooting that absolutely shocked the nation. now, for the very first time, she is speaking out about her son. you will hear from her. and just in, as the pope arrives there in cuba, the u.s. now warning about safety, security concerns. those details ahead. you're watching cnn. an be. but did you know that the lack of saliva can also lead to tooth decay and bad breath? 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>> he didn't, not yet. he's still going inside right now. no mention of what he gave up for lent and how quickly he flipped on that, as you said. what he's trying to do inside as he speaks before the students here at bob jones is to really present himself as a president that would still bring his faith to the forefront. he was asked point blank what does your faith mean to you and he really made the transition to describe how he would bring his faith into the white house if he goes on to be president. he said, i don't believe you put faith in a locked box when you're in public life. so really trying to present himself as someone who would continue to bring his believe into the white house. he was asked about his definition of religious freedom. he defines it as acting on your faith. doing so in a public sphere. doing so with love and passion. this is a very specific, very tailored pitch he's making today in front of these evangelicals. a big prize, we'll hear pitches from today, brooke. >> we'll talk about it. thank you, thank you. in second quartouth carolina. as we mentioned at the top of the hour, a soft core porn actress. what's all that about, you asks. excellent question. plus, despite the blunder, the most memorable ads so far. we'll talk about what's effective and what's just not. ♪ (cell phone rings) where are you? 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look at their nape names and st they've done. >> at the superpac, we actually vet our canvassers. we vet people who come up and say i would like to interview with you. first, you need their permission. but secondly we like to know more about the paperson because you can always have somebody who says, i fooled them, i'll really for bernie sanders. so that slipped through the cracks here i think. i give him a little bit of credit because they could have just left it on the air and said we made a mistake. they paid like $75,000. >> let me play another one. this is we know cruz mocked hillary clinton's scandal. this is mocking "office space." ♪ it feels good to be clinton ♪ damn it feels good to be a clinton ♪ ♪ a shameless politician always plays her cards right ♪ ♪ got a crew for the fight on the air waves ♪ ♪ left dogs in the press keep their mouths tight ♪ ♪ because if clinton ever needs to explain ♪ ♪ why is it what they've done or with whom ♪ ♪ a real clinton knows they're entitled ♪ ♪ and you don't get to know what they do ♪ >> what difference does it make? ♪ clinton >> this isn't the first time they've really sort of jumped in on pop culture. the action figure ad, the shark ad. so -- >> lawyers crossing the border in their suits. >> obviously, he's trying to grab a younger demographic here. >> you must use humor in ads like this. there's a dark spoony ad where you try to portray your opponents as scary to the electorate. and then there are ads where you use your opponent in their own words in the entire thing so they can't say, oh, it was a negative ad. but this is an attempt at humor. i think it's smart for cruz to take on hillary clinton at this point because then he is saying you can picture me against her in the general election. and i think using humor against her at a time when she's really struggling within the democratic and primary caucus electorate. >> quickly. >> really fast, watch that ad again with your eyes closed and hear how the white guys are trying hard to sound like black rappers. i like the concept but they tried too hard. >> it's a flattering portrayal of hillary. she looked very strong, very tough. >> you think? >> yes. >> donald trump. we know we talked about how he was yanking an ad that would have gone negative on cruz. his campaign manager said positive ads worked well for us in new hampshire. so here you go. >> i came to hear donald trump's business plan for america. >> it's really cool to hear him speak the truth. >> tells it like it is. >> make america great. >> as a guy who is -- trump is speaking the truth. >> we have a country that we're proud of and that we love and that we're not going to lose. there is an assault on everything that we stand for and we're going to stop the assault. we will make america great again. i'm donald trump and i approve this message. >> so it's a positive ad. it's trying to elicit goose pumps. juxtapose that with, you know, what he was calling ted cruz today again on twitter, a loser and -- >> very vulgar recently on the campaign trail so he doesn't need negative ads, he can be negative on the podium. there are websites that are calling that ad to task, the ad about ted cruz, that it was rife with inaccuracies. before we hand out the magnanimous man of the year award, it was also being called out for not being completely accurate. these kinds of positive ads work. >> the first four images you see in that ad, four different races. a lot of the people who support trump, like the knneo-nazi part. let's show people who are being kicked and knocked to the ground saying, you know, vote for trump. >> didn't work for you. >> bottom line, isn't it about feeling whether it makes you sad, makes you happy? 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tell me more on substance. >> the trip was very long, 13 hours just about. pope francis was in the back of the plane. he spoke to journalists briefly. he actually talked about mexico. he said, you know, in mexico, they still believe in our lady of guadalupe. that was a really good moment. he delivered some letters that children wrote to the pope. he really just lit up. he actually said, you know, i'm about to publish a book, a children's book, and it's going to have letters from children. he was excited. and then i couldn't help, i couldn't resist, i got another blessing from pope francis. >> incredible, these moments you're having in just this short bit of time you've been covering the pope for us. we'll be following the journey of course. thank you so much for calling from cuba. we reported the deaths of five police officers. so let me just take a moment to highlight stories of first responders truly going beyond the call of duty. police in san bernardino led this al out pursuit to track down the terrorists. a police sergeant who had never fired his weapon before. cnn's kyung lah spoke with the officer about that very day. [ sirens ] >> you can see officers with guns here. >> i saw the muzzle flashes and i thought, you know, they're shooting at me. >> reporter: four hours after the terror attack, police sergeant andy capps was the lead patrol car in the shootout with the attackers. sergeant capps had spent most of his day chasing down false leads until an undercover officer waved in capps car. >> i saw them put on what i believed to be ballistic or bullet proof vests. they started shooting. the back window of their vehicle just shatter. >> reporter: caps suv just feet away from the isis sim pa theaters. >> i grabbed the rifle, just kind of scrambled to the back of the car. >> reporter: capps crouched at the corner of his suv as other officers ran up. 24 years a cop, capps had never shot his weapon on the job before. no fear. >> no fear. >> reporter: even as farouk got out of his suv firing. >> a very graphic firefight here. >> somebody yelled, officer down. >> reporter: san bernardino police officer took a bullet to the leg. >> i've seen footage from the helicopters of those officers running up to my vehicle with bullets flying by them, running up, unbelievable. >> reporter: the two terrorists who murdered innocent people in san bernardino died in the five-minute shootout. when it was over, capps realized no cop died that day. tell me about the text you got on your phone. >> this is hard to talk about. that's when i realized how badly that could have ended for me and for my family. for all these other people and their families. >> reporter: was the risk worth it, your personal risk? >> without a doubt. >> reporter: would you do it again? >> in a heartbeat. hopefully i won't have to. >> reporter: kyung lah, cnn, redlands, california. >> kyung and sergeant, thank you both. next the mother of columbine shooter dylan klebold speaking out for the first time since those deadly shootings. you will not only hear from her but my next guest is a mother as well. she is all too familiar with that feeling as her son was also responsible for a mass shooting. do not miss this discussion. in new york state, we believe tomorrow starts today. all across the state the economy is growing, with creative new business incentives, the lowest taxes in decades, and university partnerships, attracting the talent and companies of tomorrow. like in utica, where a new kind of workforce is being trained. and in albany, the nanotechnology capital of the world. let us help grow your company's tomorrow, today at business.ny.gov watching tvs get sharper, oh remotes, you've had it tough. bigger, smugger. and you? 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>> he just said i needed to come right away. that was all that was said in the conversation. just this feeling of forebodden hit me. in the drive to my son's home, i listened to the news reporter and he had said there had been a local shooting at a local amish school and lives have been taken. and then the incorrect name was given for the perpetrator so my immediate thought was, oh, my, charlie parks his milk tanker truck right by the school and what if he was helping with the rescue, what if he was killed, and so when i pulled into my son's driveway that day, the trooper and my husband were standing right before me. and i asked the trooper, is my son alive? no, ma'am. i looked at my husband. with these dark eyes he said it was charlie, he killed those girls. there was nothing in my history that could have prepared me for those words that day. as i was just devastated and i remember falling to the ground in my son's yard feeling like everything inside of me would be expelled. it was a total out of body experience. >> we just -- we so rarely get to hear from people like you. please continue. the mother's perspective. go ahead. >> within that first day, as devastating as it was and in those first moments, like, my mouth just heaved dry. i just kept asking for glasses water and the state trooper kept bringing me more glasses of water but nothing could quench my thirst. then as we did end up going home, our home was filled that day with people coming to comfort us and console us and in that first day, two people came into our home that actually brought some light into our lives on such a deep dark day. and -- did you want me to share the story about henry and how he ministered to my husband that day, the amishman? >> please, sure, sure. >> okay. well, henry was our amish neighbor. my husband had retired from the police force. a little over a year prior to this happening. and so in his retirement, he chose to be an amish taxi driver. that's someone who takes the amish where they need to go further than a horse and buggy will take them. so my husband had driven for henry. so late that afternoon, henry knocked on our door. he walked past the media trucks, which was hard for him to do, but he knocked on our door and he went over to my husband and all day, my husband had not s p stopped -- the tears had not stopped flowing from his eyes and he kept -- he used a dish towel to keep wiping the tears away and had done so so frequently he actually wore the skin from his forehead. so he sat at the breakfast bar with his head hung low as he had all day. just kept recounting -- when henry came over to him, henry started massaging his shoulders and saying, roberts, we love you. and henry had relatives in the school house that day. so he kept massaging his shoulders saying, roberts, we love you, we don't hold anything against you. and those were the words that i could hear as i was standing at a distance. >> that's what's so different -- forgive me, terry, but that's what's so different about your story, right, and i remember talking to some members the amish community at the time and that's what's so different, this power of forgiveness. that was so extraordinarily unique. here's my other question because it's so rare to get to talk to moms like you, but we covered so many of these school shootings and, you know, we talked to folks who lost loved ones and they say, brooke, i never want you to say this killer's name ever, ever again. there's entire movements, no notoriety. i'm curious from a mother's perspective, there are people who never want me to say your son's name again. how does that make you feel? >> well, the man who committed this crime wasn't the man that we knew, you know, it wasn't -- he was the son that i nurtured, that i raised. what happened on that day was so foreign to the man that we knew. and he will always be my son. as i just heard those comments from miss klebold that you can understand how other people have those feelings. and it hurts. but you can -- i mean, you can feel the pain and the anguish because of what we've been through. you know that the gut-wrenching pain people receive. so you can understand their feelings. unless you've gone through it, you can't really describe it or really truly understand it, but the fact that other people wished that my son had never been born, you know, it's -- he was my child and honestly we did not receive a lot of the hate that these other parents had. we were spared that in those first weeks and months. >> terry roberts, as we cover these shootings, we should be mindful of all families involved including the parents of those who commit these unspeakable crimes. terry, thank you so much for the time. >> thank you. coming up next, we have some breaking news here on the machete attack inside a restaurant in ohio. what we are now learning. who carried out this attack. investigators are hunting down a motive. stand by for that. before those little pieces would get in between my dentures and my gum and it was uncomfortable. just a few dabs is clinically proven to seal out more food particles. super poligrip is part of my life now. at ally bank, no branches equals great rates. it's a fact. kind of like grandkids equals free tech support. oh, look at you, so great to see you! none of this works. come on in. i'm spending too muchs for time hiringnter. and not enough time in my kitchen. 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>> you know, i think that people are upset about the imagery in this video. it's shocking. it's really kind of alarming. it harkens back to a time ten years ago when there were these images of people who had been harmed in hurricane katrina and it's upsetting, but i do think however that the critiques are a little misplaced. i think people are upset at what she's calling out. i think people are unsettled by her message and not necessarily the point of the song. >> i think it is entirely powerful. i want you to tell me what you make of it all, the message. by the way, let me say this, you quote flowers and a nice note for her, so hello, that's not nothing. >> yes, no, that was a nice gesture. >> what spoke to you so profoundly? >> the video -- it's called "formation," right, beyonce's made this video about how she feels she was formed, the forces in america and her history as a black woman that shaped who she is today. that means in 2016 that deals with a lot of state violence and police brutality and social injustice and that's what the song is about. i think people are really unsettled by someone as big as beyonce using a platform like the super bowl to address it but that's well within her right as a megastar, as an activist and as a performer. >> there was so much in the video but i think the point where you see this little boy in the black hoody, you know, dancing in front of that line of police officers and the graffitied on the wall, stop shooting us. had she ever taken her message this far, putting it out there like this before on social issues? >> i mean, i think beyonce's always been political. she talks about independence and su self-sufficiency. i don't think any of her fans have seen her so politically relevant. that scene with that little boy is heartbreaking. because this is a music video but that's always reality. also our life. in the real world, that little boy has often ended up dead. that's the reality that beyonce's confronting and that's what she's dealing with and that's what people are upset about. whether or not they agree with it is another question. the critiques about the video are misplaced. we should be placing that anger towards a system who lets people who are unarmed and often, you know, not doing anything wrong get injured and killed, rather than the singer who's trying to bring our attention to it. >> what's our last line about people getting -- the conversation she started it and good on her. >> she always starts the conversation. >> thank you very much. she knows how to do it. jenna, thank you. see you next time. >> thanks, brooke. top of the hour. you're watching cnn. i'm brooke baldwin. this breaking news here out of columbus, ohio. police there have identified a man allegedly involved in a brutal machete attack inside of a deli there. to our justice correspondent evan perez who's been working this. what the heck happened? >> brooke, this man, according to police and witnesses at this restaurant in columbus walked in and simply started slashing some diners sitting right there by the door. he attacked them with a machete. they've now identified him this afternoon as mohammed barry. he is 30 years old. and the fbi has now joined the investigations because we're told there are now indications this may be -- that there may be terrorism may be the motive for this attack. the columbus police addressed all of this just a little while ago. take a listen. >> in this investigation, we're looking at three different avenues. the felonious assault that happened at the restaurant, the police involved shooting that happened and the federal investigation of the suspect and his possible motivations. >> it's obviously one individual so that's what we base our information off of. so start from the beginning, bring everybody that you have right from the get go. that way you're not working backwards. >> brooke, we're told by sources there are no conclusions yet on any terrorism angle, there's no indication of any direction from isis, but obviously this is something they're going to look at his background, they're going to look at his computers, at his travel to see whether or not there's any indication of any direction there. this all happened, again, yesterday, at dinnertime. people were in this popular mediterranean restaurant called nazareth and this began around 6:00 p.m. some of the witnesses described this horrific scene where they had to defend themselves by throwing chairs at this guy. listen to one witness as she hid, calling 911 next door. >> 911, where's your emergency? >> north hamilton road. >> the home depot? >> no, we were in nazareth restaurant -- >> what's the address there? >> i don't know, but some guy pulled out a machete and started stabbing people. i ran out with my kids. i'm at tim horton's in the bathroom with my two young kids. >> and, brooke, one of the indications right now that -- one of the things the officials are looking at is the fact that this is owned by an israeli man. he is an arab christian. they think that perhaps the attacker thought this was an israeli jewish-owned business. brooke. >> stay on it for us please, sir. evan perez, thank you. now to presidential politics. tomorrow, republican candidates return to the debate stage. for the first time, it will be in south carolina. but forget about any influence and southern hospitality here. the rivalries seem to get nastier, especially between these two front-runners ted cruz and donald trump. case in point, mr. trump, tweeting us today, quote, how can ted cruz be an evangelical christian when he lies so much and is so dishonest? let me bring in senior white house correspondent jim acosta who is following team trump in tampa, florida. and in addition to that tweet, jim, trump dished out another twitter attack. what was that? >> that's right, covering donald trump means following him on twitter. i got to tell you, brooke. >> true, true. >> in the last several minutes here, this is one that will have us talking for the rest of afternoon. you know trump has been curious with cruz over the last 24 hours, accusing cruz of doing dishonest push polling in south carolina, which is essentially negative attack telemarketing if you will in south carolina before this primary coming up in eight days. and trump just tweeted that it has to stop or else. he says if ted cruz doesn't clean up his act, stop cheating and doing negative ads, i have standing to sue him for not being a natural born citizen. this going back to -- we heard a lot about this heading into the iowa caucuses. trump saying ted cruz might not be qualified to be president of the united states because he was born in canada and the cruz campaign said time and again legal scholars have settled this, cruz was born to an american mother. so of course he's eligible to be president. it just goes to show you how this was heating up. we knew this was going to happen down in south carolina because it just has a reputation for just, you know, cut throat politics between these did i rent campaigns especially because the stakes are so high at this point between trump and cruz. we were not even in south carolina right now. >> yeah, why is that? where's trump? >> we're in florida just outside of tampa. this is the trump playbook. he's not at the faith and family forum taking place in south carolina this afternoon. instead, he's here in florida. they leapfrog ahead. they go to these states that are down the calendar. sort of start setting the table. he did this last night in louisiana. that's where he vowed he's not going to use any more vulgarities on the campaign trail. and now he's going to be in florida this evening here on the campus of the university of south florida. i have to bet good money at this point, brooke, donald trump is going to go after ted cruz big time and talk about this issue of the negative attacks that are going on in south carolina and this threat to sue ted cruz, we'll have to see if it comes to fruition. >> yanking his negative ad about ted cruz, that lasted for a nano second. jim acosta, thank you. i want to jump right on that with chief political analyst gloria borger in new york and cnn political commentator michael smerconnish, on saturday mornings on cnn. if we could throw up the most recent tweet from donald trump talking about what is it, if cruz doesn't clean up his act, i have standing to sue him for not being a natural born citizen. sue. >> sue. >> don't like what you're doing in this campaign so i think i'm going to sue you. i don't think that works. that may work in real estate to an certain degree but it really doesn't work in political campaigns. this is kind of ridiculous. by the way, donald trump saying that he doesn't like negative ads from somebody else is the pot calling the kettle black i think a little bit so doesn't work. doesn't work. >> you jump in. >> it's a good preview i think of what's to come tomorrow night. i've been saying to you all along they're all fighting within their own weight class. cruz and trump tomorrow night. i think ben carson is a nonentity at this stage. along the establishment lane, you're down to three and they will focus their efforts on one another. a stumble by trump doesn't benefit jeb. a stumble by cruz doesn't benefit marco or john kasich. they've got to consolidate within their own grouping. >> you don't want to pull a christie, right? if i'm the other candidates, i'm mindful of that, right? >> absolutely. i agree with michael here. you've got these two debates going on. jeb is very interested now in taking down rubio, right. and kasich is there. i'm sure they're going to compete with kasich as well. but kasich is eternally optimistic and positive so it's kind of hard to give him a punch, right, and then you've got the cruz and the trump fight going on, and the hope among the establishment is one of these guys sort of kills the other one, right. >> so what was that about, we were talking yesterday about trump pulling the negative campaign ad against cruz, but then he's tweeting about, you know, he's questioning his faith, by the way, which is extraordinarily significant to me going into south carolina. calling him a loser. >> it's a shock and awe campaign. you remember those expressions. i mean, it's designed i think to constantly keep him off his balance, it's donald trump always being on the attack. it was almost successful in iowa because, you know, trump really was able to regain ground that he had lost. cruz had a head of steam when we were three weeks, four weeks out from iowa, and trump came close to knocking him off by relentless attacks. >> you can have both though in political campaigns. >> you can. >> normally, though, trump is doing it sort of in an odd way. normally it's the candidate who stays above the fray. and then you have the pack do the negative advertising and, you know, you're distant from it. with donald trump, it's just the opposite. donald trump is tweeting these threats and this is what it is, it's a threat that i'm going to sue you, and he has a positive ad on the air. so it's kind of the opposite of the way we're used to seeing. >> on the ads, ted cruz, they have a couple new ads from their campaign. here's the one. this is the ode to "office space." ♪ damn it feels good to be clinton ♪ ♪ damn it feeling good to be a clinton ♪ ♪ a shameless politician ♪ always plays her cards right ♪ left dogs in the press keep the mouths tight ♪ ♪ because if clinton ever needs to explain what why it is what they've done or with who ♪ ♪ a real clinton knows that they're entitled ♪ ♪ and you don't get to know what they do ♪ >> obviously, this is hillary clinton, it's the whole e-mail server bit. do you think he's winning the memorable ad war? >> i think it pops and it stands out. i was in a sports bar in new hampshire on the night of the primary -- >> good for you. >> i didn't spend enough time there. they had flat screens all throughout the bar. to sit there and watch local television was to see commercial after commercial after commercial. that one, we'd stop and we'd watch, wouldn't we? >> so many of these cute funny ads going on that after a while -- >> conservatives anonymous with the porn actress -- >> and the children's ad with the trump doll. >> yes. >> after a while, they kind of cancel each other out to a degree. the voters he's going after are very conservative. evangelical voters. >> what about the young people? >> well, it's not cruz's target in south carolina. so i don't know whether they work or not. >> george w. bush. on the trail, i believe monday. what version of 43, the folksy texan? >> i think he's going to try to play the role of party sage and brother. >> does he punch back at donald trump? >> i've got to believe this weekend some bush speech writer is going to come up with a very dismissive but clever line that he will hurl into donald's direction. i think it's wise to trot him out now. wouldn't have been in iowa, not new hampshire. >> why here? >> history with the bush family, it plays very well. i'm sure this is all calibrated that this would be the moment. >> yes, he's very -- overall, bush has a 77% popularity with republicans. but with the veterans community, with the military community, i guarantee you, it's higher. he's kind of funny, the way his brother isn't. i think people would like to see them interact and see how that goes. the downside is dynasty, you're reminding everybody you're part of this political dynasty. >> they'll worry about this later. this is a general election. >> for the dems, here's the mash-up if you missed the debate. >> from my perspective, maybe because i understand what president obama inherited. not only the worst financial crisis but the antipathy of the republicans in congress. i don't think he gets the credit he deserves for being a president that got us out of that. sent us into the future. and it is a -- the kind of criticism that we heard from sanders about our president i expect from republicans, i do not expect from someone running for the democratic nomination to succeed president obama. >> that is -- madam secretary, that is a low blow. but you know what, last i heard, we lived in a democratic society. last i heard, united states senator had the right to disagree with the president, including a president who has done such an extraordinary job. >> glar ya, you first, what did you think? >> she was hugging president obama as hard as she could last night and i think he had a problem on that front, given the president's popularity in south carolina. bernie sanders problem is when you care for a revolution, you have to say some things you don't like about the person who's running the country. the problem is the person running the country and the dimmic party has the high approval rating. it's difficult for him and smart of her to make that point. >> not a pitch i think we would have heard her use in iowa or new hampshire but now given the electorate changing in terms of its complexion, the diversity aspect. she wants everybody to know, i am tethered to this president at this moment. >> and then the general election comes if she's the nominee. >> little different. >> not so much. >> third obama term, oops. >> gloria borger, michael, thank you very much. don't miss him saturday mornings 9:00 a.m., 6:00 a.m. here on cnn. thank you. the republicans left standing set to face off again tomorrow. how will they avoid a moment like marco rubio most recently had? we'll discuss that. also ahead, the men who died during a choke hold by new york police officers in staten island. his daughter is now endorsing bernie sanders with an emotional new video. we will talk to her live. and the crisis in flint. did the tainted water cause women there to have miscarriages? a new investigation is under way. we'll be right back. soup and sandwich and clean and real, and feeling good, sort of. and 500 calories or less. the clean pairings menu. at panera. food as it should be. 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>> right, he's going old school. that was like so three weeks ago. if you cape me to me when i was looking down, was just texts to see if the cruz campaign had some reaction. if nothing else, maybe some -- >> a tantrum happening. >> there you go, exactly. i think if you go back to iowa when donald trump started to needle cruz about his citizenship, that was the beginning of the end of their bromance, of their relationship. it didn't do very much for donald trump in iowa, however. remember, ted cruz still won handily the iowa caucuses. so it's unclear kind of where he's going with this in south carolina or maybe it's just that he is really genuinely upset and angry about the fact that ted cruz has been hitting donald trump very hard, not just on the stump but with paid advertising now, going after him on that imminent domain issue, saying he's out for just himself and he bulldozed a woman's house in atlantic city, the same story line that bush tried in new hampshire or iowa i believe. so it's getting personal because that happened a long time ago. it is increasingly, increasingly personal. >> i want you to jump in. if you're a real estate mogul, you sue. if you are running to be are the president the this the country, do you threat to sue? does that fly in politics? >> only if you're donald trump. he threatens to litigate when he thinks they're saying something he doesn't like. look, this is huge stakes right now. when you look at the stakes here couldn't be any higher. if temp is able to run in south carolina, the assumption is going to be he can win anywhere. his national polls will have a lot more resonance. the cruz campaign recognizes if they're going to make a waterloo for trump, south carolina is as good a place as they'll have so that's why it's getting nasty. >> i don't know if this is sort of passive aggressive. sometimes when you watch them on stage at debates and they don't necessarily go at it. i think of donald trump watching the ping pong match, like the firing squad with the other candidates but not trump. >> i think you'll see sort of a two-track race on saturday. they'll be some candidates, marco rubio and the others, who will go after trump a little bit because they feel like they have to but it's really cruz versus trump. and then this sort of fight for the second runner up. it will be rubio, bush, kasich doesn't really have a shot. ben carson is a lovely man. doesn't have a shot either at this point. lovely man, but it's really a three-person race but that third slot is not entirely decided. if you look at the numbers spread out between bush, kasich, carson and rubio, you add all those together and you basically have trump numbers so i think that's the case that's being made here. if the others drop out, whoever gets those votes will be in the top spot and that's the hope for the establishment now. >> go ahead, dana. >> i was just going to say, i think that's true. i think many of these candidates, though, are fighting a multifront war. for example, ted cruz, he's going after donald trump but he's also going after marco rubio. that was the whole ad they ended up having to pull or at least they decided to pull because one of the actors they hired was in a soft porn film. so that's why this debate is going to be so combustible because so many of these candidates are having to kind of try to, you know, punch left, punch right, if you will. >> one thing i just want to add on the trump threatening to sue, it could be his go-to because that is what you do if you're a real estate mogul, you try to tie things up in court, but in this case, it's also that the whole concept of ted cruz being or not being eligible to be president hasn't been tested in the courts. so his threat to sue is also saying, i'm going to try to test it. i'm going to try to get it into the courts to try to push it up so it can be something that is litigated. it's kind of a political angle there as well as a legal one. >> i just want to say with fewer candidates, by the way, and also in south carolina, donald trump's shtick, such as it is, may not play as well in south carolina. there's going to be a lot time for ted cruz to go after him on substance. i think he may expose donald in a way that he hasn't before. >> thank you for my segue. so glenn beck, listen, south carolina, i'm from the south, it's a group of prayerful people. glenn beck yesterday really emotional, talk about his own faith. we know he's a supporter of cruz. this is what he said. >> this week, i turned 52. during the constitutional convention, george washington was 55. i heard that this week and i thought, my gosh, you have wasted your life. you have wasted so much time in your -- george washington, 55, was a man that was so honorable that people would just sit no matter the disagreement between themselves, they would sit together because he was in the room. >> i should point out, full disclosure, that is your boss. >> it is indeed. >> that said, you know, how does donald trump play to that same kind of crowd? >> i think what donald hasn't really proven yet and what actually most of the polls show he will have a lot of difficulty with are real conservatives. he's built this sort of coalition that includes independents, people that are new to voting, people that even might have been democrats in the past, as well as the segment of disaffected generally speaking lower middle class white males. that's kind of the trump coalition. it's not people who are conservatives in the deep south, in places like south carolina, and so i think someone like ted cruz is going to have a much easier time a peeling to people that are ideologically conservative. or they feel like they've been left out of the political process in some way. if trump is in play in south carolina, it's a huge message that enough conservatives support him that maybe the trump coalition is in fact what wins at the end on the gop side of this race. >> final thoughts? >> he can't say this because it will look like he's sucking up to his boss but i can because i don't work for the blaze or any conservative media. you can't overestimate the power of conservative radio and of somebody like glenn beck. i watched beck on the stump with cruz in iowa and i watched the way the audience reacted with the same kind of speech. i believe he was still holding the same book, george washington's copy of "don don quixote." and then he realized he has the calling. i mean, he has a very dramatic flair to him. and it works. and it matters. support like that for conservatives, you cannot buy that. >> dana bash, buck sexton, thank you both. next here, we are taking you to flint michigan. investigating the failures in flint. could the health crisis stretch far beyond the lead poisoning in children. now trying to determine if there's a link between women and miscarriages in this area. as we learned michigan's governor rick schneider will now face a congressional hearing. ♪ (vo) making the most out of every mile. that's why i got a subaru impreza. love. it's what makes a subaru, a subaru. live to cincinnati, here he is, former president bill clinton. keep in mind, the day after his wife debated her rival bernie sanders. >> the supreme court agreed to revisit the 1962 court decision in baker v. carr which says all representatives must represent the same number of people, one vote. it should be only eligible voters. preferably even registered voters. if you've got legal immigrants in your district, they don't count. if they're documented even. never mind the undocumented. the documented. you've got families with a lot of kids, they don't count. i couldn't make this up. if for no other reason hillary should be the next president, because she'll give you judges that will stick up for your rights and make us go forward together. [ applause ] they are actually talking about breaking public employees. let me explain it to you. in states where people say you have a right to work without joining a union, if you're represented by a union and you get all the benefits, the health care benefit, the wage benefits, the retirement benefits, they're allowed to call you what is called an agency fee. you don't have to join us. you don't have to let us use your money to help the candidates we think will help you the most. but you don't have the right to ride for free, to take a higher pay than you would have already gotten -- >> we know his wife is in south carolina today. meantime, also in south carolina, a lot of these republicans at this faith forum. i want you to hear some sound from florida senator marco rubio, asked about his faith and how his faith would play a role if he were to be in the white house. >> first of all, i had an opportunity to visit mother emmanuel after that incident happened. let me tell you, it is an example of letting your light shine on the world. if you think about that happening in another community, what could have happened, the violence, the division. they lived their faith in an extraordinary example. because your faith, you have to -- your faith also -- we're ambassadors of christ. sometimes you may meet someone and the only thing they know about christianity is you. how you behave or what you do is what indicates to them what christianity is all about. i cannot tell you what an extraordinary impact it had on people across this country to see someone who have just gone through this brutal horrifying tragedy. be able to forgive. the second thing i would say is anything who ignores the role of our faith in the foundation of our country doesn't understand history. so this is -- i'm motivated by that. i will be as president of the united states. let's start with this. what is this country founded on? it is not founded on a political principle. america was founded on a spiritual principle. your rights don't come from government. your rights don't come from your leaders. your rights don't even come from the constitution. your rights come from god. >> marco rubio there in greenville, south carolina. next, investigating the failures of flint. could the health crisis there stretch far beyond the effects of lead poisoning in children? scientists now trying to figure out if there could be a connection to miscarriages among women there. all of this as we're learning the governor will face a congressional hearing. we'll take you to flint next. when your type 2 diabetes numbers aren't moving in the right direction, it can be a burden. but what if you could wake up to lower blood sugar? imagine loving your numbers. discover once-daily invokana®. with over 6 million prescriptions and counting, it's the #1 prescribed sglt2 inhibitor that works to lower a1c. invokana® is used along with diet and exercise to significantly lower blood sugar in adults with type 2 diabetes. it's a once-daily pill that works around the clock. here's how: invokana® reduces the amount of sugar allowed back in to the body through the kidneys and sends some sugar out through the process of urination. and while it's not for weight loss, it may help you lose weight. invokana® can cause important side effects, including dehydration, which may cause you to feel dizzy, faint, lightheaded, or weak, especially when you stand up. other side effects may include kidney problems, genital yeast infections, urinary tract infections, changes in urination, high potassium in the blood, increases in cholesterol, or risk of bone fracture. do not take invokana® if you have severe kidney problems or are on dialysis. stop taking and call your doctor right away if you experience symptoms such as rash, swelling, or difficulty breathing or swallowing. tell your doctor about any medical conditions, medications you are taking, and if you have kidney or liver problems. using invokana® with a sulfonylurea or insulin may increase risk of low blood sugar. imagine life with a lower a1c. are you loving your numbers? 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>> what they're going to do is what's called a retrospective study. look back and see during the period of time that women were drinking this water were there more miscarriages than there were before they were drinking contaminated water. it's a tricky study to do because you have to set -- you have to figure out what the miscarriage rate was while people were drinking the contaminated water. but they're going to look backwards. no one is saying they've seen more miscarriages. i want to make that clear. they're just going to look backwards and see if there were more miscarriages. >> okay, elizabeth cohen, thank you very much. on that possibility among women in flint. meantime, we were just playing a little sound from bill clinton, let's now hear from his wife hillary clinton the day after the big debate. she is in denmark, south carolina, talking about the mass incarceration in the '90s and her role. >> to flint michigan on sunday, because there we have children being poisoned by lead in the water as a result of the governor of their state trying to save money. and refusing, despite citizen's pleas, bringing bottles of brown smelly water from their faucets. to show state officials this is what my baby is drinking. this is what we have to bath her in. this is why he has rashes. they were ignored. they were stone walled. the cruelest kind of indifference. now, i will say what i said in flint about the poor state of schools here in south carolina. if the water had been poisoned in a white affluent suburb of detroit, if the schools had been falling apart in rich suburbs of columbus or of columbia or charleston. we wouldn't still be talking about it. there would have been an outcry. action would have been taken. if the schools of more affluent children were in the condition that too many of them are here in rural south carolina, that legislature would have acted. in fact, i'm not sure the supreme court would have even had to issue the order. these are the kinds of barriers that are standing in the way of americans, particularly our children and our young people, being able to pursue their own dreams. now, in my campaign -- >> hillary clinton there on the lead poisoning crisis that is ongoing in flint, michigan. she spent part of the day sunday in flint. remember, she will be debating bernie sanders in flint, the first week of march. coming up next, it is a potential scenario come general election time. donald trump versus bernie sanders. one on one in a debate. what might that look like. we will show you. next. what makes this simple salad the best simple salad ever? 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so you guys are comedians. you're written for 30 rock, broad city, these are shows, this is what you do for a living. how did you coming together and discover this and find two wigs to make this happen? >> okay. i will be james. what i did is i had a big pile of clothes and costumes and i just kind of dove into it like an olympic diver. >> and this is what you wound up with. >> yeah. >> bravo. first of all, i was a silent writer at 30 rock. i started doing trump as a lark. i did a show at the upright citizens brigade theater on sunday nights. my friend, shannon o'neill, who's the artistic director, said you do an incredible trump. i can't start doing it. >> stop moving the hands. >> and i see it as an act of comedic activism. i want to take everything trump said and bring it to his final points. when he's talking about immigrants, i want to take it further. >> are you following all of the twists and the turns to make sure what you've saying is totally on point? you have to follow twitter? >> yeah, we watch you. >> i've been ahead of trump two months. i have a speech from my show on october 24th talking about coming in second in iowa. >> what's happening in south carolina, senator. >> i think south carolina is down there, it's right underneath north carolina and i think it's in the top 50% of carolinas in the country. >> it's not looking good for you. >> if we can close it within 10% we're going to call it a victory. >> i would promise south carolina this, first off, we're going to win, it's going to be incredible. but here's the thing, i want to purchase the great pacific garbage patch and make it the 51st state of the united states. i think it's a perfect place for immigrants and things like that. >> back to jim and tony. how do crowds react to you? are they booing, are they cheering? does it depend if you're in the city or in vermont? >> generally they boo him and cheer bernie. >> sorry, trump. >> that's all right. by the end they cheer me. >> you win them over. donald trump would be proud. >> i make real points. i think donald trump would not be proud of my impression. donald, if you're watching, i want to meet you, please. let's talk in a mirror. >> bernie, look, let's get in some hard numbers. i want to read the transpacific partnership back and forth to each other. it will be romantic. >> final thoughts for the american people? >> trump versus bernie.com. >> i was endorsed by a white supremacist group. i think that's all you need to know. >> jim, tony, donald, bernie -- >> you're a wonderful female. >> i give the balance of my time to you. >> if people at home could see this -- i have never seen such a massive crowd as i'm seeing right now. >> of course there are people who couldn't get into this -- it was unbelievable. >> and it's remarkable that i got this much air time on cnn. >> on that note, bye-bye. coming up next, speaking of donald trump as in the real one shaking up the race yet again. are you paying attention? on twitter here's the latest. sue ted cruz over not being a natural born citizen. more on that with these real candidates coming up. amazing. we live in a pick and choose world. choose, choose, choose. but at bedtime... ...why settle for this? enter sleep number and the ultimate sleep number event, going on now. sleepiq technology tells you how well you slept and what adjustments you can make. you like the bed soft. he's more hardcore. so your sleep goes from good to great to wow! only at a sleep number store, right now save 50% on the ultimate limited edition bed, plus 24-month financing. hurry, ends monday. know better sleep with sleep number. i drive to the hoop. i drive a racecar. i have a driver. his name is carl. but that's not what we all have in common. we talked to our doctors about treatment with xarelto®. xarelto® is proven to treat and help reduce the risk of dvt and pe blood clots. xarelto® is also proven to reduce the risk of stroke in people with afib, not caused by a heart valve problem. for people with afib currently well managed on warfarin, there is limited information on how xarelto® and warfarin compare in reducing the risk of stroke. you know, taking warfarin, i had to deal with that blood testing routine. i couldn't have a healthy salad whenever i wanted. i found another way. yeah, treatment with xarelto®. hey, safety first. like all blood thinners, don't stop taking xarelto® without talking to your doctor, as this may increase your risk of a blood clot or stroke. while taking, you may bruise more easily and it may take longer for bleeding to stop. xarelto® may increase your risk of bleeding if you take certain medicines. xarelto® can cause serious and in rare cases, fatal bleeding. get help right away for unexpected bleeding, unusual bruising, or tingling. if you have had spinal anesthesia while on xarelto®, watch for back pain or any nerve or muscle related signs or symptoms. do not take xarelto® if you have an artificial heart valve or abnormal bleeding. tell your doctor before all planned medical or dental procedures. before starting xarelto®, tell your doctor about any kidney, liver, or bleeding problems. xarelto® is the number one prescribed blood thinner in its class. well that calls for a round of kevin nealons. make mine an arnold palmer. same here. with xarelto® there is no regular blood monitoring and no known dietary restrictions. treatment with xarelto® was the right move for us. ask your doctor about xarelto®. watching tvs get sharper, you've had it tough. bigger, smugger. and you? 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"the lead with jake tapper" starts right now. >> thanks, brooke. just in the last few minutes, donald trump threatening to sue ted cruz over his citizenship. the cruz campaign says trump needs to take a seat in the time-out chair. "the lead" starts right now. ted cruz yanks a new campaign ad after discovering the ad featured an actress with a history in erotic films. she'll join us live. we'll talk to her if cruz pulling the ad because of her past was the christian thing to do. also -- >> there's someone who's really hurt. he's bleeding bad. >> a man swinging a machete goes on a rampage at a restaurant in america's ar
>> that's right. thank you, sir. we will keep counting, too. sir, you haven't endorsed anyone? >> no. >> not yet. how do you explain that trump has such a commanding lead in this poll in florida and this poll was taken after governor bush got out of the race who is a floridian. >> people say it's marco's home state but donald trump has been be a celebrity for decades. everybody knows him everywhere. so usually you have a home state advantage because they don't know the other people and so i think donald is someone that i think a lot of people know and clearly he has captured some of the -- wanting to turn this place upside down. i have seen that over the last six months more and more people at different events i have attended. more trump shirts. make america great shirts. is he leading. i think that poll is probably more than what he is leading but i do think he is leading. >> but senator rubio represents florida. i bet everyone in my home state knows who senator rubio is right now. i'm from wisconsin. everybody knows him. do they just not think that he has the capability to be president? >> no, i don't think so. i think that donald has hit a nerve with a lot of folks. and quite frankly, i mean most of the other candidates have been attacking each other. donald has been above the and he has kneecapped a lot of people too. i think marco is going to run good in florida. i think donald obviously is going to be formidable. i think it will be an important race. what happens now and then will also have an effect. >> what part of the states to he have the -- big part of the state tv markets. expensive to run there. >> i will tell you, i have been in palm beach and seen the make america great hats. i have been in pensacola, jacksonville, fort meyers. part of trump is that he is not necessarily an ideological candidate. we have different views in;s different parts of the state. he is more of a personality candidate. i think there is an appeal there different parts of the diverse state. >> is there a topic that seems to consume floridians the most this election? >> i think this place here in washington needs to be overhauled. i mean, i just don't think there is any9ñ question. people know that when i talk about what need to do. heads start to nod. trump has positioned himself as someone who is going to it take a sledge hammer to the permanent political class here in washington. >> do you think on the other side of the aisle that also is the same thing -- is senator bernie sanders have sort of an edge that way? trump and sanders are perceived as the shaking up candidates. not the conventional candidates. >> clearly hillary, not only is she the quintessential establishment candidate, a lot of people get frustrated because people don't have a to live under.yb] the same rules here. how many junior officers in the military have they handled classified information the way hillary would have no consequences. i don't think anyone expects loretta lynch to actually indict hillary clinton. some people understand that and say hey, does she live and you different set of rules or what? >> thank you. >> thanks for joining us. florida is a big deal not just because of all the delegates. senator rubio lives there and dr. carson lives there. john mccormick and susan ferrechio, how is florida not just for bragging rights for senator marco rubio but just for his campaign overall. >> it's very important. florida has 99 did he goes stake and winner take all. if you win by one vote you get all 99 delegates. donald trump could clean up. he probably only met on his total haul would probably only be 100 delegates more than ted cruz. if marco rubio wants to win this nomination, not in a brokered convention is he almost certainly going to need to win florida. >> susan, in this race, donald trump has 44% in florida. 28% is senator rubio, which is 16 points behind. governor jeb bush isn't in here. who got governor jeb bush's numbers in this? >> it's really interesting. i think there is a another poll that has him closer rubio and trump. the problem with rubio is he epitomizes the candidate that a lot of the electorate is angry at because they elected him in 2010. he was a tea party candidate and he came to washington and there is a growing sense in florida that he sort of betrayed his tea party base by signing on to the immigration reform law. there were a lot of people really angry with him about that i have been hearing from florida voters who are along comes trump, the outsider candidate who says i'm outside othe box. i wasn't in washington. i didn't sign on to the immigration bill. they turn to him. that's clearly what rubio's problem is jeb bush is sort of a nonfactor there i think rubio earned a lot of animosity from the voters in florida. it's pay back time right now. >> john, where do you think the bush votes went? >> rubio has improved but not enough to take over donald trump. what happened here is you need to change the dynamic and take away donald trump voters. >> how do you do that? >> no one knows for sure. you have got to try. if you go back(c to 2012. newt gingrich was up by nearly double digits a week before. a crucial primary for mitt romney. super pac spent $15.4 million in that state. that is more money than has been spent to date by super pacs. nationwide against donald trump. and romney also went after him in the debate. so far rubio, you know, he has taken a few swipes at trump. he hasn't gone after him as hard as he wants to try to change the narrative. >> so far has been focusing on beating it ted cruz. >> mitt romney didn't win by trying to take away rick santorum's votes. >> it's a false assumption to think jeb's votes were going to go to rubio. i would say that to the rest of the field too. where they think condense. i don't think you can assume they will all go to rubio. >> susan and john if you will stay with us. now to senator ted cruz in his home state of texas. cruz is leading big there. big monmouth poll of texas voters shows senator cruz with 38%. donald trump sits in second place. 323%. senator marco rubio 21%. dr. ben carson fourth place with 6%. govern john kasich in fifth place with 5% greg abbot who has endorsed senator cruz goes "on the record." good evening, sir. >> good evening, greta. páulations on your show.h i'm glad to be part of your next 3,500. >> governor, thank you very much. i appreciate it it all right, governor, you want senator ted cruz as the next president. rye? >> because ted cruz has the prescription of what ails america. who will put the united states back on its constitutional pathway. he has an economic plan that will peal away all the heavy hand of government that will allow america to begin to create jobs. having worked side by side with ted cruz behind the scenes for five years when he served as my solicitor general, i have the confidence in him as being a terrific commander and chief. >> you have been a governor, obviously, running a state down in texas. does it give you some sense of pause that senator cruz is in the u.s. senate and he is not, for instance, a governor running a state. he doesn't have any experience that way. >> because i know ted cruz, because i know his decision-making process, because i know the thoughtful and methodical way approaches very tough issues. i have confidence that whatever issue may arise, he is the right person to lead the country. look at one of the most consequential issues we are dealing with at this time. that is the future pathway of the constitution itself. i trust ted cruz to appoint the right person to the united states supreme court. >> what do you make of sort of the double-barrell pointed at him, the political double-barrell. senator marco rubio on one side. donald trump on the other. they have been pointing their political weapons right at senator cruz, lately. >> well, listen it's what happens in politics. greta, here is my take away. that is after tuesday, there is only going to be two candidates who have ever won a state. and ted cruz is one of them. i think that after tuesday, this race is going to boil down to a two person race. think about this last fact. that is the states that know ted cruz the best, texas,e6 @&c@ and iowa, where ted cruz spent a lot of time, those are the states that are going for ted cruz. the more people learn about ted cruz and that he is the person who embodies conservative values, i though the more likely people are going to be supporting him as the campaign continues. >> are you predicting senator marco rubio who hasn't won one state and is losing in florida that he will be out after tuesday? >> well, greta, look at it this way, about 40% of all of the delegates will be assigned after this coming tuesday. and rubio will not have won any state whatsoever. ted will have won at least two states. he is the only person who will have beaten donald trump in any state, and i think it will be a two-person race after this coming tuesday. >> governor, always nice to see you. thank you, sir. >> thank you, greta. >> and the 2016 g.o.p. candidates are getting ready to square off in the last test before super tuesday. last night some of the candidates participated in a town hall right here on fox news. >> my purpose is to be president. >> everyone wants to call the game after the first inning. >> they are furious with washington. they are furious with politicians in both parties. >> i give us the opportunity people who haven't voted for us in the past. >> we have good news. i beat hillary clinton by more than any other candidate. >> i think the way that you earn the votes of the hispanic community, the way that i everywhere the votes here in texas is making the case that conservative principles work. >> i feel like we are in the process of losing our country. >> as president, i intend to fight to lift the burdens on small businesses so people like my dad, people in the hispanic community, washing dishes on the bottom rungs of the economic lad his or her want to achieve the american dream can do that. >> i believe i am the conservative that can unite shis party. anyone. >> i build my organizations with the grass roots. north with people inside the beltway. and not with the people who call the tune on k street. i believe i can unite this party as i have proven this week with more and more people coming on board. >> what do candidates need to do to rack up wins on tuesday? fox news chief political correspondent carl cameron is in houston carl? let's start at the top of e polls and w column. donald trump has won three of the first four contestants. as we move out of first of the nation states iowa, heartland, new hampshire, northeast, first in the south in south carolina and then the west in nevada, we now have super tuesday upon us. and donald trump is looking for big wins hopefully in his words to put it all away, which is what he suggested he wanted to do when he was winning nevada just four nights ago. so, mr. trump comes in here to texas whereas you were just saying a moment ago he actually trails ted cruz in the polls. but -- right now does not each have any paid advertising in any of the super tuesday states. more than 11 of them, more than half of the delegates necessary to clinch the nomination are up for grabs. and texas could be the one place where donald trump might be upended. it's going to be a big battle. there is this debate tonight obviously. donald trump has to show that he can be presidential. but he doesn't want to do anything to cool the tempers of his supporters who expect him to be loud, proud, aggressive, and tough. ted cruz has to battle that, somehow. and here in texas it's kind of an all or nothing proposition for him. once we get past the super tuesday states which is most of the south which was a part of ted cruz's strategy to win big on super tuesday, if that doesn't happen, he is going to be in serious pressure to get out of race. but, he has sort of a back stop in what happens on march 15th, two and a half weeks from now. that's when both florida and ohio are included in a number of states that will votig and they are all winner take all in terms of the purse. the delegate take. in the past, up until this point, up until all four -- first four all proportionally allocated on tuesday all proportionally allocated. first, second and third split the delegate count. that's why marco rubio has to win in,m florida. if he doesn't win his home state, if trump beats him there as the polls suggest, a, he gets absolutely no dels and trump gets all of them. that's exactly the same situation playing out in ohio where john kasich is the governor and both john kasich and marco rubio are arguing through all of their campaigns and supporters really across the country nowed that the other guy should drop out because they are going it lose in their state. they're both trailing donald trump in their state. greta. >> carl, thank you. as we get close to super tuesday carl is talking about in the next multi-state primary days how will candidates do in own states. quinnipiac university poll of republicans. marco rubio is in trouble donald trump beats him 44 to 28. cruz is doing better in monmouth university poll of texas republicans cruz is beating trump 38 to 23. in ohio, quinnipiac university poll of ohio republicans shows ohio governor john kasich is in trouble. trump beating their state governor 31% to 26%. the "on the record" political panel is back. and i guess, susan, if anyone sort of seems to have a chance between rubio and kasich of beating donald trump, i put my money on kasich tonight. >> oh, he could. but cruz could beat trump in texas. >> we expect him to beat him in texas. >> kasich is more popular in his home state in ohio as rubio is. he is the governor, kasich, very popular governor. more well known to the state. rubio, as i was saying before is a little less popular in the state because of the stance he took on immigration. interesting what the governor was saying before about this being a two man race after super tuesday. one wonders whether rubio will look at poll numbers. look at the result of super tuesday and question whether to keep going forward. does he want to be defeated in his home state? does he want to go out that way if it looks like trump is going to clobber him? really makes me wonder. >> john, how does senator marco rubio possibly stay in if he is going to lose florida? he hasn't won one race. came in fifth in new hampshire. lost iowa, lost south carolina. he gave victory speeches there people on the twitter universe said how you can give a victory speech when he didn't come in first. how does he possibly stay in the race if he loses all these? got to win something to stay in. >> it's a very crucial race. there is no doubt about i do think we underestimating the possibility if it's a split decision on the 15th. >> if the same candidate doesn't win ohio and florida, i think there is a decent chance that we'll end up in contested convention. if john kasich wins ohio and donald trump wins florida or if marco rubio wins florida and donald trump wins ohio, i think that we have a very decent chance, less than auto% but decent chance we end up in contested convention. >> you know why, the other factor here that we're not talking about is who has the mainstream establishment behind them? right now it's marco rubio. say he drops out, look to kasich if he can stay in. they are on to anyone but trump path and that's what's going to keep this going potentially. >> susan and john, stick around. and, first, the poem and now well donald trump has a new feud that's next. also, deadly weather across the country. that's coming up. also, the fight between apple and the fbi is heating up. whose side are you on? coming up. ♪jake reese, "day to feel alive"♪ ♪jake reese, "day to feel alive"♪ full of guests on the waye and a cold with sinus pressure, you need fast relief. alka-seltzer plus severe sinus congestion and cough liquid gels rush relief to your tough symptoms. to put you back in control. 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"on the record" will continue to monitor breaking news story and bring you any updates the second they come in. and donald trump has gotten in a lot of feuds with a lot of people this election season. and the newest feud? governor mitt romney? trump in the 2012 g.o.p. presidential nominee locked in a wicked war of words after this statement from governor romney. >> frankly, i think we have good reason to believe that there is a bombshell in donald trump's taxes. >> what do you mean? >> well, i think there is something there. either he is not anywhere near as wealthy as he says he is or he hasn't been paying the kind of taxes we would expect him to pay or perhaps he hasn't been giving money to the vets or disabled like he has been telling us he has been doing the reason i think there is a bombshell in there is because every time he is asked about his%r6 taxes he dodges and delays and says well we are are working on it we are not talking about the taxes that a2"l coming due this year. of course they are working on those. they won't be ready for month. we are talking about taxes already filed. back taxes. >> in true trump fashion, trump tweeted this photo with the caption signing a recent tax return, isn't this ridiculous? trump followed that up with this tweet. i'm going to do what mitt romney was totally unable to do, win. governor romney then slamming back at trump tweeting this, me thinks the donald doth protest too much. show voters your back taxes. the "on the record" political panel is back. what started this feud, john? >> it's not entirely clear obviously mitt romney either wants to get this information out there or wants to make an issue of this. maybe he wants to lay the groundwork for a run himself or wants to help the other candidates in the race. they have both said they are going to relies their taxes as romney did in 2012. donald trump, you know, there is an issue where his charitable foundation gave $100,000 to the clinton foundation in recent years. less than $57,000 to veterans organizations. >> can i say something about the vets? awkward position of having some information on this one. is that donald trump, about a year ago, called me and wanted the address because he wanted to give some money to some veto help the vet out. it's not a charitable deduction. he helped this person out. he just called me for the address. and he helped this person out but he can't conduct that. so, this whole thing with the taxes seems a little -- you know, i'm surprised at this. and when it says he is not nearly as wealthy. he has 10 billion and not 12 billion? >> i was really surprised in romney getting involved in this. that shows you the level of over trump candidate. can you believe this? this is mitt romney the former de facto head, former nominee attacking the current g.o.p. frontrunner on national television. who would have thought that this dynamic would exist this year? i meanp it, really goes to questions within the republican party about what trump can do for them as the nominee. and their fear that he may not be able to go all the way. it's a good question to ask about his taxes. let's face it. if he has problems with his taxes and comes out as the nominee, it could hurt their cans to win the white house. >> he uses the term bombshell. let me ask what the viewers think at home. now is your chance to vote at home on twitter. will former mitt romney's attack hurt donald trump? tweet #greta. good reason to believe there is a bombshell didn't say any more information. >> he called on all three of the candidates to release tax forms. he said that about trump. he didn't say that about hillary clinton or anybody else's. >> i don't know if it's going to work because if you look at the exit polls the biggest difference between 2012 and 2016. much smaller voters want to vote for the democrat who is most electability. >> susan and john, thank you both. should apple help the fbi get into a terrorist's phone? 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>> yes. the only way we know would be to write a piece of software that we view as sort of the software equivalent of cancer. >> what does this all mean? fox news chief intelligence correspondent catherine herridge is here. catherine? >> thank you, greta. this 65 page brief was filed by apple late today. they are asking the court to vacate the order.h; their position simply put is that what the government wants in this case, the fbi to sort of unlock this unconstitutional sets a dangerous precedent. there is no such thing as one phone, one investigation. sweeping powers make it less secure. just on a personal note. one of the lead attorneys here is a former solicitor general olsen. of what al qaeda has tried to do or groups like isis has forced us to way to change the way we live our lives and almost sweep away elements of the constitution and our freedoms. he felt very strongly this was an example of that sort of incremental loss of an individual's right. >> how was this received, james comey, the fbi's testimony on capitol hill today? >> if i was going to break down comby's testimony, i would do it probably three or four ways. one he said that when you look at the technology, whatever kind of code is developed by apple, for this phone in this case will be obsolete because the technology and security is evolving quickly. number two, he said that based on the past experience with apple, up until 2014, apple was able to unlock these devices but they never7á had a problem with the code getting loose or going into the wild. that's the kind of scenario they worry about in terms of long-term data protection. >> well, certainly is not going to end quickly this one. catherine, thank you. >> you are welcome. >> let's talk basics. exactly what is it that the fbi is trying to get apple to do. with us is morgan wright. are we talking about -- getting into the iphone you would have to put in four numbers or six numbers. is that the access we are or is it beyond that. >> we hope it is 4, 6 numbers. that means limited possibilities. >> the old phones were four. the new ones are six? >> alpha numeric. you can use letters and numbers. can i put password 1, 2, 3 or happy face 9, 67, you can combinations that's the nightmare for the fbi. >> if you make so many attempts at entering your cell phone and you don't have the right code, everything is erased? >> it is if you don't get apple to bypass the pass codes and give you access. >> which is why the fbi doesn't want to do the 10 times or whatever it is they are afraid tenth time everything is gone totally. what's your thought on this? >> i think apple needs to comply and here's why. 2010, when they lost a prototype phone, who did they call? they called law enforcement to go search the offices of a reporter that worked for gizmoto who dissected the iphone and put it up. they are not against calling law enforcement. they were doing it for law enforcement. law enforcement says send us the phone and we will get past the pass code. the circumstances would be different if there were 14 apple employees killed and 13 seriously injured i think it would be a different outcome. >> i don't understand. i read of this occasion a woman's husband died want to do use ipad to play solitaire. she got the death certificate and the will and finally after she went to the media, apple finally gave her the code so that she could go on this ipad and play solitaire. she was in her 70's. why isn't that the same sort of situation here? >> because of the iphone 5 c, the touch i.d. that it uses and the way that the pass code is used to encrypt the data. >> they don't just have it? >> apple -- i'm not sure what happened if it's access to it icloud they can reset the password. they have to get past the pass code first and run a computer to catch the numbers they don't want to limit the number of tempts so they want to be able to have the software technology to move as fast as the iphone can take the pass code. >> bill gates and steve jobs. he has come out against apple is this an old grudge being revisited? how do we tell? >> all i can remember is the last -- i saw steve jobs and bill gates going at it bill gates now that he has been more philanthropist. he has a different view of the world. this is not the issue that tim cook is claiming it to be. it's not going to get and everybody is going to get it one piece of software, the fbi they can delete it,. >> mass killing was in december. urgency now. a little late. why wasn't this debated last december? 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>> i'm very well. welcome back to late night. weave have missed you, it's only about a year and a little change, but, still we have missed you. >> thank you very much indeed. i feel like i haven't really been anywhere. i have been doing the game show. but it's nice. >> and you got a daytime emmy i might add so you have been busy. >> yeah, i have. i was surprised amend excited to get that thing. it's nice to bet2t((i doing a show which is, you know, the game show is fun but the discussion the history channel show is a little more challenging, i suppose, intellectually. shouldn't be. join or die is the name of it and he understand you have a at that time tattoo. >> yeah. what i have benjamin franklin did. this you have a picture but i have it here. when i became a citizen in 2008, i got this tattoo, benjamin, franklin, of course put this in the pennsylvania gazette in 17 a 4. first symbol of then the united clones which colonies that went on it become the united states. nice way to become a citizen. >> join or die, i'm glad to announce it's 11:00 p.m. history channel not opposite us at 7:00 p.m. always happy to from v. guests on with shows opposite of us. >> i can't take the competition. not something i'm capable of handling. >> yeah, right. tell me, what can we expect -- how does this differ from your last show? discussion show in a sense where three guests and we discuss -- we take six events or people or something in history and discuss it in a very informal way to the courts best one. you look for history's best or worst dictator or worst medical advice or biggest [bleep] or whatever it is. and what we do is really, there is no real structure to the show. it's really a show stimulate conversation. the structure is just coat hangers. it's not a real thing. it's just a way to talk about some events in history. so, really i think the show is a talk show but it's about something other than the people involved. it's not going to beaí about your movie or your tv show or your new album coming out. it's about we want to talk about this. >> you know what i think is interesting. it's big for you, obviously. this is a big deal. also think this is a big deal for the history channel. this is a a departure from what at least what i have seen on the history channel. this is breaking the mold, isn't it? >> i think a little bit. it's an attempt by, i think history feel that they want to do get more historical content. at the same time, wanted to appear wildly populist and vulgar. they have used me to bridge the gap. >> so are you having fun doing it? >> yeah. i am i think we are still finding our way to be honest. when we did the late night show, i have made 22 join or die. so i think it will take me another few to find a way. there is going to be fine tuning involved. it's not finished yet if you know anything about me haphazard throw me on the air and land as we go. >> when i think when i see myself on tv it's a long way from wherever i grew up. it's a long way for you from you5a glasgow, isn't it? >> it seems very surreal. >> where did you grow up? >> appleton, wisconsin. >> that's internationally renowned town. >> we with an international airport now. one flight to canada or something. international. still counts. >> international, indeed it is, anyway. congratulations on the new show. like i say we have missed join or die 11:00 p.m. on the history channel, thanks, craig. >> thanks, greta. nice to see. >> you coming up, does governor mitt romney have a short memory? he is the last one i thought would do this. my off-the-record next. no other nasal allergy spray can say that. complete allergy relief or incomplete. let your eyes decide. flonase changes everything. hi this is conor.usic ) sorry i missed you. i'm either away from my desk or on another call. please leave a message and i'll get back to you just as soon as i'm available. thank you for patience at this busy time. join princess cruises for stargazing with discovery at sea. book now for savings up to $1,000 per stateroom plus up to $600 free onboard spending money. call your travel consultant or visit princess.com. princess cruises. come back new. made a simple tripvere chto the grocery storeis anything but simple. so finally, i had an important conversation with my dermatologist about humira. he explained that humira works inside my body to target and help block a specific source of inflammation that contributes to my symptoms. in clinical trials, most adults saw 75% skin clearance. and the majority were clear or almost clear in just 4 months. humira can lower your ability to fight infections, including tuberculosis. serious, sometimes fatal infections and cancers, including lymphoma, have happened; as have blood, liver, and nervous system problems, serious allergic reactions, and new or worsening heart failure. before treatment, get tested for tb. tell your doctor if you've been to areas where certain fungal infections are common, and if you've had tb, hepatitis b, are prone to infections, or have flu-like symptoms or sores. don't start humira if you have an infection. ask your dermatologist about humira. because with humira clearer skin is possible. this is a fox news alert. police in kansas now saying three to four people are dead in work place shooting. up to 20 people have been injured. the gunman killed by police was an exempt employee of the lawn care company. the gunman entered several buildings and opened fire on employees inside. police are notñt saying when the employee was fired. stay with fox news for instant live updates. >> let's all go off-the-record. remember how dirt senator harry reid was in 2012 making insinuation about governor romney and his taxes. >> the word is out that he hasn't paid taxes for 10 years. >> so dirty and did it to smear romney. he didn't know what was in romney's taxes. he want to do smear him with i understand innuendo. i smacked himvt for it and i smacked nancy pelosi, too. she was up to her eyeballs in it with reid. >> it's one thing to name names so it can be investigate to do see if it's true. it is another thing to just stir up gossip and rumor by throwing around explosive and poisonous allegations. that's just dirty. >> which brings me to now. four years later. >> frankly, i think we have good reason to believe that there is a bombshell in donald trump's taxes. >> what do you mean? >> well, i think there is something there. either he is not anywhere near as wealthy as he says he is or he hasn't been paying the kind of taxes we would expect him to pay or o, perhaps he hasn't been giving money to the vets or to the disabled like he has been telling us he has been doing. >> so now governor romney with the innuendos. you would think after reid did it to him that he would be the last person to it stoop that low. romney knows that's a low blow. just like reid romney doesn't know what's in or is not trump's tax returns. that's a cheap shot. i always admired romney but tonight i'm disappointed in him. i'm not tell to you vote for or against trump that's your business. they should release their tax returns but not at the end of a smear gun. that's my off-the-record comment tonight. see you tomorrow night right here at 7:00 p.m. go to my facebook page. gretawire, twitter, all of that stuff. good night. ♪ ♪ i'm eric bolling in for bill o'reilly. thanks for watching special edition of "the o'reilly factor" election 2016. let's get the right to the top story. is donald trump now the inevitable republican nominee? 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LEWISTOWN — Samuel Rufus Yoder, 46, of Belleville is scheduled to appear in Mifflin County Court on Wednesday, Nov. 1. Yoder was arrested Thursday morning after entering the Amish School in Belleville with a rifle. He was arraigned before Magisterial District Judge Jonathan Reed. Charges filed against Yoder include possession of a weapon on school […]
BELLEVILLE — Charges have been filed against 46-year-old Samuel Rufus Yoder of Belleville stemming from an incident at 20 Kish Creek Lane in Belleville Thursday morning. According to the affidavit of probable cause filed by Mifflin County Regional Police, Yoder, who has a history of mental health issues, reportedly entered the Amish School with a […]