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i think we should call this one the hour of power. you got to be strong to get through live tv at this hour. >> long and strong, all night long. >> all morning long. if we keep this up, they're going to have us on. we're going to be throwing away "new day," your old show. welcome, everyone. this is cnn's coverage of the final night of the democratic national convention. i don't know. should we say final morning? what? we've been on tv a long time. >> yeah. just keep going. >> joe biden's drawing one of the starkest contrasts, yet, between he and the man who currently sits in the oval office. >> and joe biden really did wind up making it about fundamentals. light and dark. good and bad. and he cast this president on the side of the negative. now, clearly, this president still has a grip on many of the voters in this country. because that's what we see from the polls. however, biden's starting to create a new metric. lives have been lost. 170,000 of us have died, and he has watched this and he has done nothing about it. so biden made a point about trying to connect with that loss. all right? he made every attempt to try to change this situation of these people being forgotten. and letting him -- them know that he is here, for them. >> the current president has cloaked american darkness for too long. too much anger, too much fear, too much division. hope is more powerful than fear, and light is more powerful than dark. this is our moment. this is our mission. now, just to be able to say that the end of this chapter of american darkness began here, tonight. as love and hope and light join in the battle for the soul of the nation. and this is a battle we will win. >> they made a mistake teeing him up to be a babbling idiot tonight, by the way. >> you took the words right out of my mouth. >> you know, they guaranteed a victory and they wound up securing a big, fat l because he was on point tonight. >> i do -- i hate that whole narrative about, you know, joe biden and he's going to be bumbling. and mental acuity and all that because that's -- that's a -- that is a strategy, on the right. >> don't know of any doctor asking him the old man, woman, t-shirt, ice cream, alligator, or whatever the hell that thing is, test. >> we talked about that before because, you know, i talked to my doctor. >> patients don't ask for that test. clinicians offer it. >> yes. i said how does one ask for that? and my doctor said, don, a patient doesn't ask for that. there has to be a reason. they actually made me take it. but in all seriousness, my doctor said patients don't ask for that. doctors ask for that and there has to be a reason or reasons they ask. some sort of episode, situation, maybe they're forgetting something. but patients don't get that unless there is legitimate reason, legitimate concern. >> it's like coming home and saying they made me walk this line, touch my nose, and i aced it. wait a minute, you got stopped because they thought you were drunk? >> yeah, i pulled over to make sure that i was driving correctly. you're right. so i hate that whole narrative because it's -- it is a strategy on the right or for biden opponents because people, oh, biden doesn't know where he is half the time. that's bs. >> they also, foolishly, set too low a bar for biden to leap over. >> one -- let me finish. i have interviewed donald trump, god, i don't know how many times. you, what, six, seven, eight, nine, if not more times. and i interviewed joe biden right before the quarantine. sharper than i've ever seen trump, in any interview. that's all i'll say about that. so, i think you are're right. they sure picked the wrong narrative with that. i'm sure they are going to try to continue on with that but that was not on display tonight in his speech. >> well, look, you keep on picking people in their mid-upper 70s, you're going to keep having these conversations. they should leave it alone and figure out which man, in this position, and at this stage, is offering the best deal to the american people? and that was biden's real thing tonight. and fortunately for him, the basic ground of morality, principle, and decency, has been seeded by this president. you know, ordinarily, you don't get to argue, as the insurgent, that you're here to make things better because we're in a hard time. usually, that's the incumbent's argument. that i'm here fighting this war. i'm here fighting this pandemic. you need to keep me. this is unusual where we have a president who is refusing to lead in a dark time. >> well, and this president wrote the strategy for joe biden. i do have to say, though, you know, i don't know if this was a strategy to inoculate him. talking about braden. 13-year-old who is -- >> stutter. >> joe biden, possibly why his mind goes faster than -- >> that's what stuttering is. their mind is more powerful. it's processing more quickly than their voice that the communicated signal can keep up with. if anything, they're smarter. you know, the idea that you make fun of someone for stuttering because they're not smart enough to get the words out, they're actually working at a higher functionality. the kid was beautiful. >> listen, he was beautiful. i don't want to cry on tv anymore because that, truly, i was crying at home. >> good to cry. it's good to feel. >> but let me say. one moment that made me -- the moment that you just played. that was a look up at the television moment because, many times, we're listening and it's on in the background. when joe biden said what he said in the sound bite played earlier, i looked up. another moment when i looked up is when he talked about his son, the late beau biden. he also talked about his military service and he talked about the men and women in uniform. and he got very passionate about it. here it is. >> i'll always have the strength that can only come from family. hunter, ashley, all our grandchildren, my brothers, my sister. they give me courage. they lift me up. while he's no longer with us, beau inspires me, every day. beau served our nation in uniform. a year in iraq. a decorated iraqi war veteran. so i take, very personally, and i have a profound responsible of serving as commander in chief. i will make it clear to our adversaries the days of cozying up to dictators is over. under president biden, america will not turn a blind eye to russian bounties on the heads of american soldiers. nor, will i put up with foreign interference in our most sacred democratic exercise. voting. >> strong. >> it is strong. and again, it's ground he shouldn't have. right? because it's a no brainer for a sitting president to go after russia for trying to destroy our democracy. and we have this really puzzling, inactivity by this president in this regard. we can't figure it out. that's why people want his taxes. it doesn't make sense. guy picks fights with everybody, except the guy who is bullying us, most. very odd. and then, you have the humanity effect. you know, it's very interesting. i'm listening to the fringe right/right in their processing of this convention and of biden tonight. and, oh, you know, joe biden and everything's about, oh, poor joe, poor joe. the cynicism isn't going to work here, and here's why. any adult knows that our character is forged through pain. life, on many levels, is pain management. and if you want to know how somebody is going to be when the cards are down, any man or woman that you can measure, and how they went through loss, is more indicative than any bs that's going to come out of their mouth about what they'll do and what they'll promise. i know what this was for joe biden. i know who beau biden was. and you don't need to know any of that to understand that the idea of a parent losing a child, let alone twice, is an unbelievable pain to overcome. >> yeah. >> and that tells you something about joe biden. he knows pain. he sees it in others. it affects him. he is not, somehow, insulated by self-interest from the pain of others. he feels. now, is that what you want in a leader? that's an open question. it's an open question. but it's real. and in a time of frauds and fakes, all over us, in politics, when it comes to his humanity, the guy is the real deal. >> yeah. i'm not going to tell the story again but i know it's real. and you know it's lael becaurea you've had experiences with it. i do have to say, you know, looking at the videos of the family and hearing the family talk about and the grandkids. grandkids. no matter where he is, if he's on stage giving a speech, he's going to pick up in the middle of the speech and go, hey, what's wrong? i got to tell you, you can't find a better looking family. i was looking at those pictures of beau and hunter and the grandkids. and i'm like, wow. >> beau was something special. i'm not lionizing him because he's gone. beau was a generational leader. beau was one of those guys when you would be around him, you'd be like, i got to step up my game. he was a special guy. >> we have a saying. i don't mean this in a derogative way so please don't take it that way. they'll say, man, chris looks like he spit mario out because he looks just like you. i'm watching pictures of beau. he looks -- it looks like joe biden just spit him out because they look exactly -- if you look at the young joe biden and beau biden, they look exactly alike. >> he was the dream of every father, in that he was better than his father, in every way. joe will be the first one to tell you that. it's my proudest moment when i assess any of my kids. when i see that my kids are ahead of me, already, in different ways that matter as humans, it's the greatest joy in the world. i dream of the day my son is taller. we want them to be better. and joe had that dream in his son and it was a dream he was awakened from too soon. ordinarily, all right, how much does it matter she's a nice lady? i get it. he's a nice guy. but right now, we got somebody who's not nice and we're not used to that. we're not used to having a guy who's okay with his followers attacking your family. >> yeah. and don't we know? and you know, more than anybody else. and also, something that you know. i hope we get a chance to talk about it in this show. you've been in the room. you know what it's like to be at one of these conventions. >> i've been in the room where it happened. >> yes. so let's talk act thbout that l. but, first, chris, i want to talk about with you what comes next and with angela rye, paul begala. >> that's the smirk of somebody who doesn't know what's coming. . it's two stage-filter... doesn't compare to zerowater's 5-stage. this meter shows how much stuff, or dissolved solids, gets left behind. our tap water is 220. brita? 110... seriously? but zerowater- let me guess. zero? yup, that's how i know it is the purest-tasting water. i need to find the receipt for that. oh yeah, you do. are you worried about staying sharp and alert? 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>> i think it was fine. you know, i think that they needed to try all the things because it is a socially distanced, virtual convention and it was hard. i think it was nice and a breath of fresh air. i think, earlier in the week, with eva longoria felt very telethonish. seinfeld, which i was not a fan of, personally, but i thought it worked. >> wait, you didn't like "seinfeld"? >> no, i was a cosby show, different world kind of kid. i don't like curb your enthusiasm, either. >> i told you about her, don. i told you. i told you. you keep telling me give her a chance. give her a chance. i told you. i told you. >> if you don't, there's a whole culture out there who embraces me. it's totally fine. >> here it comes. god forbid anybody says something about angela. >> paul, i think, listen, it was, at points, a little cringy because, you know, there was no audience to play off of. >> right. >> but -- but i like -- i like that. i like being uncomfortable like, oh, this is really making me uncomfortable. so it gave me a reason to actually watch, to look up at the tv again. >> don, we know -- we know you like being uncomfortable. you're sitting next to chris cuomo. >> boom. set you up for that. >> damn. >> bunch of losers. now what, chris? now what, chris? >> let me say. julia, first off, julia louis-dreyfus is one of the greats of all time. i thought it was a documentary, at first. but it's -- she's just so gifted. she's so -- and to do comedy, without an audience, is very nearly impossible. and i have to say, in my house, we were laughing. we thought it was very funny. they're just trying and this is the first time anybody's trying to do something like this. and i really have to say the folks who organized it, steph cutter and the rest of the people at the democratic party did a really good job. >> all right. by the way, i'll say it was a mistake. i want to change topics because it doesn't matter that much. but, one, you open yourself up to the hollywood shot that they're dying to put on you. and -- and you're in a dark time and i think you would have been better served by having people who were living different challenges taking us from one section of the show to another. but this is stylistic, more than anything else. >> speaking of haters, what'd you call us, losers? come on now. they're going to do that, anyways. >> yeah, but i'm saying try not to give people an easy chance. >> their candidate. their candidate is a reality tv star and they're going to say we're the show-biz party? >> boom. >> what i am saying is it's not an even playing field. they are a party who all get in line, and swallow the same stuff. you guys are a bunch of cats. so i'm saying if they can come at you, there's a vulnerability that you didn't need to create. but again, i've spent too much time on this. >> but here's the thing, chris cuomo. the whole thing was so dry. like, can we get something? i mean, i'm sorry, yesterday was my favorite day. today, again, i was like snooze. everybody's talking. what? >> angela, did you see john legend and common? they were phenomenal. >> yes. kudos. >> are you saying democrats don't know how to properly season their food? >> are you saying you don't want potato salad from a democrat? >> paul, you're a speechwriter. what did you think of biden's substance and delivery? >> i thought it was masterful. it was masterful. not even just as a speech but as a strategic document. this -- you know, some people think it should like the platform. a laundry list of liberal wishes. it's not. this is a strategic vision for winning the white house and then reuniting the country. i was really moved by the conversation you two were having. you've had direct interactions with joe. i've known him for 34 years. good times and bad. this was an excerpt of his soul. maybe you didn't like what you see. i think most people saw this is a deeply good man, who gave a truly great speech. i can go on. >> no, i just want to go -- i thought it was. chris, the criticism about hollywood would come because they started with eva longoria. and then julia louis-dreyfus. i think tracy ellis ross is one of the most talented ak tess. real so i really enjoyed her. eva longoria. everything. and at first, i was a little bit -- the first night, i was like eva longoria. i don't -- don't get me wrong. i love eva longoria but i wasn't sure of what was going on and why they had her. and then, as it went on, i got it. and then, to have women, every single night. i thought, you know, that was great. and the reason behind that. and i'm glad they had these diverse women, every single night. really smart and talented women. also, you had to have somebody up there who could carry a show. they were really carrying a show. it was like hosting -- you need a host of the oscars or the host of the grammy's. >> could have had aoc. could've had stacey abrams. >> you don't know if aoc can handle a show. and everybody doesn't want to watch aoc for the entire -- i'm sorry. aoc is a gifted politician. nothing -- i'm not taking anything away from her. but aoc is not the entire star of the show. these people are stars but they weren't the stars of the show. they were presenting the stars of the show. they know how to present. they know how to be on stage. they know how to read a teleprompter. and they know they have comedic timing, and they know timing from being able to carry a show. >> everybody -- everybody wasn't funny, though. and i think that what we should acknowledge is that aoc did not have the time that she probably should have. i ith i would say that julian castro was missing from the convention stage. and the panel of former democratic primary nominees -- i mean, candidates. so when you are -- when you think about where there are misses, i hate to be that person but i can't sit here and pretend like there weren't things where we could have sharpened. i think that the role of the party isn't to celebrate blind spots, too. it is to say, hey, there's some places where we should really double down and strengthen before november. like, we got some things that we got to get right. i don't really recall there being a strong faith leaders moment, either. i saw a big union moment today. of course, there was a domestic violence moment yesterday. but i just feel like there were a few blind spots that could have been tightened up. >> don't steal my joy, angela. >> i'm not stealing your joy, honey. but i'm going to tell you the truth. >> i'm kidding. it doesn't matter to me. >> none of that is going to matter in 75 days. >> i agree. >> no one is going to say -- >> what does that mean? what is none of that? >> who hosted. >> they're going to say we have 170,000, god forbid 200,000 by election day, dead from covid. we got 50 million people filing for unemployment. we got 10 million people losing their health insurance. we have a social justice, civil rights, crisis. that's what people are going to be voting on. their lives. not which politician got 96 seconds versus ten minutes. it just -- it's -- it's our job to analyze but it's not what's going to drive this election. this is a very, very big election. >> but, paul, you know, the one thing that i would say to you, as someone who's, you know, been a part of the democratic party for years, is that it would be great if you could at least acknowledge that this is a space where there are consistent blind spots. every convention, there are challenges around the minority vendor utilization. there are challenges around staffing and hiring and all of these things. and who and how diverse the stage is and it's not just a reflection of the program. it's it's reflection on candidate recruitment. it is a reflection on how diverse state and local offices are. we can't say we are a big-tent party when it's time to collect the votes but not when it's time to distribute the power. and i'm saying those are the things that we need to reckon with, and really ensure that we're tight. this is not a case that i'm prosecuting against donald trump. i want the party to get better because the party should get better. forget donald trump. he's a nonfactor. right? like he is -- >> never forget donald trump. he is the president of the united states and 172,000 people are dead, who shouldn't be dead, because of his incompetence. our troops have bounties placed on their heads because of his, whatever, his lack of leadership. this is an existential crisis. i think president obama had it right. i'm just going to follow what president obama said. >> i appreciate you and your messages is sticking to what president obama said. in this moment, as we talk about how to ensure the party is its best and how you can drive turnout and we're not arrogant like we were in 2016, we have some things to tighten up. full stop. we -- i'm not talking about donald trump, the impact of coronavirus, the way in which he's used -- used the military or voter suppression. i know all of those things. i am crystal clear. there, still, remains a fact that the party is not leaning into and ensuring that they're growing a base of younger voters, and people who they need to turn out this year so we don't repeat. >> let me ask you. is this -- is this the moment to talk about it? if you're a democratic strategist or if you're a democrat. is this the moment and the platform to discuss that? or is that in a dnc meeting when, what you're trying to do in an election and with politics is to win? is that what's going to get you to win right now? by focusing on those things? or is it, as paul says, the big picture? the existential threat. the other things can be handled. you talk about that when you have a dnc meeting. when you're doing the postmortem, after the election, and you have won the election rather than getting distracted by things, yes, that are important but that may not get you over the finish line. >> and here's the thing. we lost in '16, in part, because of some of these things. so we can continue to say -- >> you lost because -- you lost in '16 because you were focusing on the wrong things. people were shouting down their allies. people were helping donald trump shout down hillary clinton in public. people were helping the other party, in the democratic party at least, to focus on things that maybe you didn't want to focus on in public. things that did not get you to win. that is why -- that is why, i believe, the democrats lost because there just was not the right strategy. you got -- you guys got stuck in the weed instead of looking at the big picture, which is to win an election. which is to know who your allies are. which is to whoever gets you the closest to your destination, who doesn't necessarily take you to the exact address you have on your uber. it may take you down the block. it may take you around the corner. >> all right. final point. >> but that's what -- you know, that's why i feel the democrats lost in '16. >> i don't. i think it's because we thought that it could -- we could be anti-trump and that was sufficient. and it's the same thing that we're doing right now. and i'm saying be anti-trump and be clear about why he does not represent the values of this country. >> angela, yese, you're right. but people were not necessarily pro-hillary. everybody, and i said this before -- when i was at the republican convention, people, everyone, said, before, we don't like donald trump. we don't want him to be our representative. we don't want him to be the nominee. every single person on that stage, the 19 people, fell in line, except for -- what's his -- john kasich who didn't speak or what have you. and what's his name? the other guy who got up there and didn't say anything. ted cruz. okay. except for those two, maybe. but everybody fell in line. everybody at the republican convention was screaming trump, trump, trump, trump, trump. we got to the democratic convention, people were screaming, during hillary clinton's acceptance speech, booing her. bernie, bernie, bernie. they did not have the priorities straight. the thing is to win, whether you like the person or fall in love with them or not. >> yeah. so he -- she's going -- he's going to win. the people he already has. with kamala, that base grows. what i'm telling you is, i'm talking to people on the ground, in ways that i wasn't in 2016. we still have a problem. and we have the ability, in these next several days, to solve for it. it's not comfortable conversation but we do have to fix it. and all of it's not inside baseball because these aren't party establishment people. but i bet we need them at the polls or the drop boxes or wherever we're going. we need them. and that means we need to have an honest conversation. not a message discipline conversation but what is the truth? and what are the variations of truth from people's variety of experiences? >> begala, give us our last point and let's go to break. >> the united states faces an existential crisis. barack obama is, i think, the most brilliant and level-headed and he gave a speech last night that should keep us all up. he said american democracy's at risk. with american democracy at risk, this is an all hands on deck moment. i think joe biden and kamala harris have ability to unite all the parties of this faction, and that is a difficult challenge of leadership. i'm going to do all i can to help them do that and i hope every democrat will. >> all right. let's jump to break. angela, as always, appreciate the conversation. paul, loved it. love listening to it. we'll do more of it. we got a long way to go. these are going to be the longest 70-something days of our life. my head line -- my hair line's going to look like begala's at the end. >> you wish. olay faced expensive serums and won. olay's new serum is so powerful, it renews skin better than $300, $500, even $600 serums. pretty amazing. olay. face anything. simon pagenaud takes the lead at the indy 500! coming to the green flag, racing at daytona. they're off... in the kentucky derby. rory mcllroy is a two time champion at east lake. he scores! stanley cup champions! touchdown! only mahomes. the big events are back and xfinity is your home for the return of live sports. democratic nominee. president trump is getting ready to make his case to you and the republican national convention kicking off. that kicks off on monday. let's discuss now. kristen powers, ron brownstein, both here. good morning, to both of you. kerstin, learning that president trump's pushing for more live speeches and even some kind of audience for him to -- to feed off of. he will give his acceptance speech at the white house. how different do you think this rnc will look? kristen, we can't hear you. ron, i'll ask you the same question. do you think it's going to be different? >> yeah, i do. the president was already holding in-person events. he was in yuma reprising his speech about rapists and murderers in an airplane hangar. the strange -- the kind of bullishness of going forward, in this route, for the president and the rnc. of having a live audience, wherever possible. is, i think, just strangely counterproductive in the sense that it guarantees that we'll be talking at least as much about the way he delivered the speech as what he says. i mean, he is sending the signal to voters, as he has been for months, that reopening economy is the overriding priority over safety shl safety, on every front, from school athletics to k through 12 classes. and around 60% say -- i mean, the democrats may be constrained this fall by their determination not to go anywhere if they can't project it as totally safe but i think the president's taking the bigger risk there. >> okay. so what is this going to look like, kristen? and did republicans look at this convention and learn? can a president do a convention without socially distancing, as paul mentioned, in the airplane hanger and so on. how different is it going to be? >> well, i think he -- the president wants it to look very different. he wants to, you know, produce -- he has his producer's hat on, according to reporting. and he wants to make it look very different than -- than what this looks like. at the same time, i don't think he, obviously, can have the kind of crowds that he would like to have. but ehe wants to have some sort of audience. i guess, he wants to have people there, who are going to -- it's been sort of described, people who have been traumatized, somehow. i assume that's by liberals. i don't know if that's cancel culture or what he is going to do. but he wants to do something that is different than what the democrats did, and obviously i think he's going to be -- play a much bigger role in it, than -- than joe biden did in the -- in the democrat being convention. >> well, you know what, kristen, people familiar with the president's speech say that it's going to fan culture wars. focus on his law-and-order message. democrats ran with a theme of unity. is the president going to go in the opposite direction? >> yeah. i mean, he's going to do what he always does. his entire message, from the word go, has been divisiveness and darkness and us against them. and i think that that's -- that's exactly why the democrats did the opposite is because they're offering a different vision, which is a vision of bringing the country together. >> well, ron, is that going to work? give us your final thought. what do you think? >> look. i mean, you know, as kristen said, when all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail. the president's go-to move, always, has been cultural division. and i think a lot of republicans are frustrated because while that obviously energize -- there is an audience for kind of racial and cultural division but it's an audience that's something around like 42% of the electorate and hardens the rest against him. i think democrats, even after tonight's speech, biden did not -- i think no one really delivered a coherent, concise critique of the president's record for average, working families. or a clear vision of what biden would do differently to make their lives easier. sort of the same problem hillary had in 2016. it doesn't look like the president is heading in that direction, though. he's kind of going back to this culture war that leaves him playing on the short end of the field and alienating all the n constituencies in the electorate that are growing. young people. people of color. college-educated, white voters. >> thank you, both. we're out of time. late into the night. early in the wee hours. thank you, both. i'll see you soon. appreciate it. we'll be right back. all right. no matter where you are, it's getting a little late so let me give you a couple punch points on coronavirus. the cdc director now estimates as many as 60 million americans may have already been infected with coronavirus. he says that this is partial herd immunity, and it may be helping control the spread. let's bring in dr. amy compton phillips here for some perspective. one, where does he get this 60 million number? do you trust it? and do you buy the idea of partial herd immunity? >> well, it's a pretty far estimate. so you have to really extrapolate a lot to get to 60 million. but there was a study done, earlier, that based on antibodies that it could be up to ten times as many people have had the virus, as have been diagnosed with all the shortage of tests. obviously, we're not diagnosing everybody. and so, somewhere, it is more definitely than 5 million. and -- and could be as high as 60 million. but it's probably somewhere a little lower than that. and partial herd immunity. well, you know, in other countries, in new york, obviously, the infection rate's gone down but the population's doing a lot to keep from getting it, right? i mean, you walk around the streets, chris. you see people wearing masks and being supercareful, right? in other countries that also had big infections, they are now seeing resurgences. so, in italy and in spain, spain in particular, and sweden is still getting transmission. and so, i -- it's -- it's pretty tough to say. it'd be a big extrapolation to say that we have herd immunity going already. >> vaccines don't stop the outbreak. and yet, they are a very effective tool. and what do you see as a reasonable timeline? >> yeah. i think it's going to be in the spring/summer of 2021 where it gets really widely available. >> so it's going to take that much time. and then, is it true -- or do you buy into this idea that you need a couple of rounds of it? not personally, but that -- to see how it works on the virus and kind of working with the vaccine and who gets it, before you really get the right prophylaxis protocol? >> i think it's really speculative to even know that right now. so i think it's going to be something that we learn, over the testing and all these phase-three trials, that the -- the hundred some odd vaccines that we have in development right now. so i think that different vaccines will probably work different ways. and we're going to have to see whether or not it's one and done, or whether you get, you know, like a flu shot, once a year we'll have to sort it out as we go. >> the good news is unlike most of our experiences with this administration, this operation warp speed is supposedly populated by a real all-star team and knowing some people who are in and around it, they feel good about the people they have on it and the commitment to it so hopefully it's being done the right way. dr. amy compton phillips, always a plus. thank you for being with us, especially at this time. >> thank you so much. >> all right. take care. we are going to be right back with some final thoughts. okay. on the final night of the dnc. and i will give you a little bit of a different perspective on it. i was there. okay? 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[ cheers and applause ] >> that was great. i have been waiting for this segment, chris, you were in the room where it happened with that, that was beautiful with your dad, that was amazing. >> i was there sitting next to ms. lolendale, senator, vice president mondale, still alive, 92 years young, god bless him. the three wows. the message is the same. america is still a tale of two cities. that's why there's people screaming to the end of systemic inequality and people working of every color feel they cannot get a foot hold. it's not true then, i do not have the poetry or the passion because i did not have to fight my way through that system. italian american has graduated in to another white guy and i had different opportunities afforded me than he had. that's the second message. second thing. joe biden was a senator. known as being a working class guy. then vp, so was mondale, now, biden is much more formidable against trump than mondale was against reagan. but the sale of the ticket was geraldine ferraro, and my father recognized it as what it could be a beautiful chance to show what the country is about. >> we will have a new president of the united states. a democrat, born not to the blood of kings but to the blood of pie they abuy ne -- she will magnificent stroke a whole new frontier for the united states. >> he ends with saying it will happen if we make it happen. if you and i make it happen. i ask you now, ladies and gentlemen, brothers and sisters, for the good of us all, for the good of this nation, for the family of america and for the love of god, please make this nation remember how futures are built. if the same message, the call to the collective, that we are seeing now. the third wow. i was just about 14 years old. when that happened and i was sitting next to again, mrs. mondale, and i remember her grabbing my hand and being wowed, because nobody knew who pop was. he was a new governor. just, this guy, this upstart. g >> i knew who he was. i graduated high school. >> you knew who he was after that. >> after that, and then with in six months. he would give that speech and then had his talk at notre dame, which was at notre dame university, which was all about the conflict of being a catholic and a public politician and how you bring in your faith. those were the two speeches that marked his career. it's not about pop, it's about the message. and my son now, is 14 years old. now, he is not going to have to live through going through some convention and being through all that craziness. but the time in his life is the same. we are in the same precipice, will the country come together around the promise of what it can be, or will it stubbornly hold on to a uninstructive concept of what it was. >> it should not go without saying that your son is named mario. >> mario cuomo. >> sure. >> and i think, i know, your dad would be very proud of you. he would be proud of your brother, but he would be especially pr lly proud of you,e of what you do every night. you hold truth to power not at a politician but as a person that has a giant platform. you are on worldwide television. think about that. did you think of that when you were a 14-year-old kid, watching your father, who you say was an upstart. i don't believe he was an up it will start. did you have any idea? i know he would be very proud of you? >> i don't know, he was no big fan of the media. i know this. if you kept your mouth shut often enough pop was okay with you, as long as you were taking care of your family and you were trying to do the right thing. pop was very simple. for all sophistication intellectu intellectually, life was simple. he would be very worried where we are right now. he felt it was dangerous for people to tear at the fabric of the country. it's a very fragile thing. when we are together, we are the strongest, nobody can touch us. it's easy to break us apart. and donald trump knows that. and my father knew that about him and he knows joe biden. and he thought joe biden was a good man. is he ready for the moment? pop would be saying, we will see. andso should we. >> this is a perfect segment and sentiment to end on. all right? >> works for me. >> i was their glad that you were there and your father was there and your father did the work that he did. and i'm proud of you and i am thrilled that i get to work with you. and more importantly, i love being your friend. >> i love you, d-lemon. >> i love you, christopher cuomo. >> i would not work two days in a row with anybody else. >> oh, shut it. i almost said it again. >> don't say it, don't say it. let's say goodbye. thank you for watching. we will do et again next week. right? >> yeah, every night at midnight eastern, 9:00 p.m. pacific andmake sure you stay tuned the news continues here on -- >> cnn. ♪ . hello, and welcome to you, our viewers here in the united states and all around the world. we are live at cnn center, i'm kim brunhuber, thank you for joining us. it's a major event in american politics, a key moment of the 2020 presidential cases and the biggest day of joe biden's half century of public service, he has
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