compared hitler to bashar al assad. is that enough to stop calls for him being fired? in the driver's seat. my one on one sit down with ford's ceo mark fields. his message to the president and his vision for the future of the auto industry. good morning, everybody. i'm ali velshi at msnbc headquarters in new york. rex tillerson and sergey lavrov have ended a high stakes meeting in moscow. the two are scheduled to emerge at the top of the next hour and hold a news conference. we know that there has been tense talk over syria. today's meeting comes on the heels of a newly declassified white house intelligence report that accuses russia of helping cover up that chemical attack in syria last week. president vladimir putin saying in an interview today, quote, where's the proof of syrian forces using chemical weapons?
there is none. end quote. putin also says relations with the u.s. have, quote, degraded since president trump took office. president trump had his own criticisms of vladimir putin. in an interview this morning on "fox business." >> frankly, putin is backing a person that's truly an evil person. and i think it is very bad for russia. i think it is very bad for mankind. it is very bad for this world. frankly, if russia didn't go in and back this animal, you wouldn't have a problem right now. he was going to be overthrown. >> we have all this covered with our nbc news correspondents in moscow and at the white house. let's begin with nbc news chief global correspondent bill neely, live in moscow. bill, what can you tell us about this meeting between secretary of state tillerson and his russian counterpart foreign minister lavrov? >> good morning, ali.
approaches may be different. >> listen to the word tactical. i don't think rex tillerson went into that meeting banging a table, giving an ultimatum to russia, that it should give up its relationship with president assad. but he will be saying, look, tactically, you can be with assad in syria, but strategically, is that a great place to be, in terms of your global position in the way the world looks at you? as i say, we'll get a read oout from a news conference to be decided. >> we'll stick close to you. interesting to point out that issue, that rex tillerson putting on the table that perhaps there can be tactical differences but strategic alignment. bill neely for us in moscow. let's go to peter alexander at the white house. peter, it has been a busy 24 hours for you. >> yeah. >> what more can you tell us about -- let's start with the declassified report that accuses russia of helping cover up the chemical weapons attack in
deflecting blame from russia. the simplest of terms beyond that, they said this was a unique opportunity for russia, ali. in their words, they said, this was their chance to stop their disinformation campaign. >> peter, we're going to come back to you in a little while because we have several stories happening, and you've been on top of the story with sean spicer and his apology for remarks he made at the white house press conference. don't go too far from your camera. back to the issue of international affairs, secretary of state rex tillerson is meeting with his russian counterpart and it comes as the white house faces brand-new questions about the trump campaign's ties to russia. the "washington post" is reporting the fbi obtained a fisa warrant to monitor trump adviser carter page. i'm joined by one of the journalists behind the reporting. "washington post" national security reporter, adam. thank you so much for being with us. let's just talk about this for a second. what is your understanding from your reporting of what led the
fbi to request a fisa warrant in the first place, as it relates to carter page? >> right. we know that donald trump, when he was a candidate, named page as one of his foreign policy advisers in march 2016. page has spent time in moscow. there's been new documents that came to light. buzzfeed broke the story a couple weeks ago that page had engaged -- had been in contact with a russian intelligence officer who he apparently thought was a diplomat back in 2013 timeframe. so what was happening is, you know, as the fbi and other intelligence agencies were seeing that the russians were intervening in the summer of 2016, in the presidential race, they were trying to get a handle on what are the relationships between members of potentially this new administration's team, in this case, carter page, and the russians? so as you probably know, a fisa
requires they basically have, you know, cause for believing that there is this connection. so they had to provide evidence of suspicions of those connections to the fisa court judges, who then have to decide whether or not to issue this warrant. >> so if a viewer is watching tv today, they are hearing some people say, wow, you just never get a fisa warrant unless there was something really serious involved. we're hearing this from members of congress today. then other people say, actually, it is a secret urt. we don't really know what would lead to a warrant. do you have any sense of, you know, whether there's wrongdoing involved? what we do know is this isn't i -- this fisa warrant is to collect information on carter page. >> it is a fisa warrant to monitor carter page. in order to get the warrant, they need to provide evidence of their suspicions he was acting as a foreign agent for russia.
sort of, you know, helping russia behind the scenes. so there could be that there was an incidental connection that involved carter page. we don't know what was in the application that the fbi and justice department brought to the fisa court in order to get this. but, you know, clearly, i think it is important to keep in mind that a parent is not conclusive proof of anything. there are plenty of warrants that are issued to monitor people that, in the end, it shows there was a lot of smoke and no fire. so i do think it is important to keep in mind and not to get ahead of ourselves here. >> on that note, i want to read a statement that carter page gave us at nbc news. here's the part of it that is relevant. there had been prior reports, but i was so happy to hear that further confirmation is now being revealed. it shows how low the clt clinton/obama regime went to destroy o democracy and
depress distants who didn't agree with their failed foreign policy. is this idea that carter page had a fisa warrant in some way connect to or validate donald tru trump's discussions about trump tower being wiretapped? if carter page was the subject of a warrant, there could have been other collection because he was talking to people of the trump campaign. >> obviously, i think there is a -- you know, this is not something that, as far as i know, is brought by white house officials or anybody else. this is a decision -- seeking a fisa warrant is something decided by a judge who, you know -- and that judge is, at least as far as i know, not under political pressure from the administration. in this case, the obama administration. i realize that the way he is responding to this news, maybe it is the way other people might also choose to try to perceive
this. certainly, based on everything i know about how the fisa court operates, you know, this is not something that is even briefed to members of the white house before a fisa is brought. this is the kind of thing that is very closely held within the fbi and within the justice department and shared with some officials in the intelligence community as part of the process. >> adam, we're always smarter for talking to you. thank you for joining us. always a pleasant. >> thank you. i'm joined now by two special guests. angela stent is director of the center for eurasian, russian and eastern studies at georgetown. 2004 to06, she was national intelligence offic for russia and yraa at the national intelligence council. her latest book, u.s./russian relations in the 21st century. also joining us, military analyst kevin. he is also the executive editor of the website, defense one, which provides news and analysis
on defense and national security matters. these two know a lot about these topics. thank you for joining me. angela, i'll start with you. often times when there is a major diplomatic meeting like the one today between secretary of state tillerson and his russian counterpart and maybe vladimir putin, it is set up so there can be obvious accomplishments to come out of the meeting. as bill neely reported at the top of the show, that doesn't seem to be the case today. >> no, i don't think anyone had those kind of expectations going into this meeting. i think when it was conceived and announced, before the chemical weapons attacks and the bombings in syria, it was an attempt to normalize relations, since relations at the end of the obama administration with russia were really so bad. so i think the agenda -- there was no designed agenda that they knew they were going to come out with a statement that everyone was going to agree to. this is really exploratory. obviously, what you saw was the discussions of what the soviets
called frank and business like. that is to say, very tough talks. i think at the minimum, they can come out and jointly agree that they need to find a solution to what's happening in syria. that would already be an accomplishment. we don't know whether that's going to happen. >> yeah, we're not sure we're talking about getting that done. let alone finding achievements on that. kevin, it seems the big demand today by secretary of state tillerson will be that russia end its support of the assad regime. i can't imagine there are many chances of that, but does he have any leverage at all? >> well, the leverage, i think, is the u.s. military presence in syria. inching toward the end of the isis war, which i think just becomes an inching closer to the final, you know, what's going to happen with assad and the rest of syria. and that's, i think, a peculiar point. just yesterday, the pentagon took great pains to say once again, despite last week's air strike, the isis war is separate from assad, separate from the
syrian civil war. but within hours, by the end of the day, john mccain and lindsey graham put out a joint statement saying the time has come to end the bifurcation. that those two cannot be -- they're inklinked. because iran backs assad, and as long as assad is slaughtering the syrian civilians, the civilians have no chance of defeating isis or a resolution for a greater syria against assad. >> interesting point you make, kevin. angela, i'd like your take on this. people like to draw this distinction. that we're fighting isis, and isis poses a threat to the rest of the world. the assad regime doesn't. and that's a civil war. the united nations takes that view, by the way, and hence, doesn't do anything about bashar al assad, as well. do you agree with kevin's take, that maybe we shouldn't be -- maybe we shouldn't be drawing such a clear li? that's john mccain's take. >>ohn mccain's take that kin has given us. >> well, you know, why does isis
have support in syria? what assad has done to his own population and the past years have fueled recruits for islamic state. therefore, you can't draw a distinction between them. the russians do. they're not interested in fighting islamic state. they're interested in keeping bashar al assad in power and consistently deny any connection between what he's done and the growth of isis. so, you know, i think you can't say these things aren't connected. >> and kevin, i want to be clear, you were conveying that it is john mccain's take. you agree that these lines don't make sense? >> well, it's not that i agree or not. i think anyone can see them starting to come together. again, isis just loses territory, raqqah is waiting on the horizon. what then? we've written a lot about this. everyone keeps saying, what then? what's supposed to happen next is a non-military path to peace. something that brings everybody to the table.
i even asked secretary mattis yesterday at the pentagon, where's the new counterisis plan we were supposed to get, that trump demanded in 60 days? it hasn't come. they both put brakes on that to say, look, this is going to take time. tillerson, two weeks ago, had the meeting in washington with all the other foreign ministers of the counter-isis group. they have to find a way to peace. those -- you can separate them on the battlefield. the pentagon and the u.s. military can say, we are not at war with the syrian government. we are fighting isis in syria. but the rest of the government, the rest of the world, sees through that to know the entire conflict has to end somehow. >> i wish i could talk to you guys for an hour. i hope you come back. this is an important conversation. >> any time. >> thank you very much for your contributions. kevin is the executive editor of defense one and angela is the director of the russians, eurasian studies at geortown. sean spicer apologizes for
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there's no other way to say it. i got into a topic that i shouldn't have, and i screwed up. >> the whiteouse pre secretary sean spicer, as if we have to introduce him. he must be the most well-known white house press secretary in the world. apologizing again and again for his comments yesterday, comparing bashar al assad to hitler. here it is. >> he used chemical weapons in world war ii. you know, you had a -- you know, someone as despicable as hitler who didn't use chemical weapons. >> he tried to clarify his comments, even to peter alexander, who joins us again live from the white house. there's a lot of backlash for the comments. i remember it was happening in real time as he said them. add he tried several times in the press conference to clarify his remarks. almost making them worse every
time he did it. then there were calls for sean spicer to be fired. he apologized. you were one of the people to whom he presented his apology on camera. what are you hearing now? >> i think what's striking more than anything in this episode, ali, is the fact an apology from this white house isn't just rare, it is almost unheard of. the fact he came out as soon as he did and did publicly apologize on cable television, apologized in a conversation that we had, interview with nbc news, as well, and again as part of the apology tour. he did it this morning with our colleague. in effect, saying, it was a mistake. he's sorry. that he let the president down. that there is no comparing atrocities. what is striking to a lot of people, including myself, is how subdued and perhaps even humbled sean appeared on this day. he said, among other things, the fact this is happening during such a holy week with the jewish holiday of passover right now, with easter coming up this weekend, that he said he himself even felt pained by what he had done. the words he had used and the
harm they had caused. during our conversation yesterday, i asked him, specifically, about this comparison between bashar al assad and adolph hitler. here's what of what he said. >> well aware of what he did. but, again, it was a distinction that didn't need to get made. they both did horrendous, heinous things to innocent people. to make any comparison is regrettable and a mistake. >> i asked him specifically if the president had asked him to apologize. he said the answer was no. ali, at the end of the day, it is more than this one instance. it is a broader question about the credibility of spicer and ultimately the white house that's at play here. remember, a matter of days ago, he said the u.s. would be prepared to strike if syria used chemical weapons or barrel bombs. if that was the case, it'd be a dramatic escalation of the u.s. involvement in syria. he clarified and said there was no change in the u.s. policy. >> they've been using barrel bombs for years on their own people. sean seemed to do the right thing by apologizing and
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counterpart, sergey lavrov which a parent apparently didn't go all tt well. took three hours. what do you make of this? >> i'm pleased that putin is meeting with rex tillerson, but it's going to be an interesting discussion. because the trump administration has no strategy in syria. you have nikki haley saying we want regime change. secretary tillerson saying we need the people of syria to decide if bashar should stay in power. and then others are saying the policy hasn't changed. it is not clear what discussion this is going to be with putin on syria when the white house doesn't have its story straight. >> at some point, if there is force involved, this happened in 2003, you and your fellow members of congress are going to have to be involved in this. so you must have thought this through to some degree. what in your opinion is a strategy that we should be employing in syria with regard to the refugees, with regard to what assad does to his own people, with regard to russia and iran, strategic interest
there, and with regard to isis? >> if donald trump truly cares about the beautiful babies of syria, he wouldn't ban them from entering the united states as refugees. we need to absolutely make sure that refugees, children, women, senior citizens fleeing is syria need to be able to come to the united states for safe haven. he also needs to come to the united states, the president, and seek authority from congress before more action in syria. that's where the constitution stands. >> last time obama tried that, congress didn't authorize use of force in syria in 2013. >> that's because in a democracy, congress under the constitution is vested with the war making powers and the people through their elected represents, decided that syria was not a critical national security interest. i have yet to see donald trump describe to the american people why we are engaged in a civil
war halfway around the world. if donald trump can make the case, he can get the authorization. >> what's your view of it though? if it is seen as a civil war, a view the united nations takes, does the world and -- or the united states not have a role that involves a military in a place like syria? >> the united states has been at endless war for over a quarter of a century. i think the american people don't want to send in ground troops to syria. if you don't have that option, really, you need to resort to diplomacy. i hope there is a peaceful resolution of all the countries involved. i think sending in a massive number of ground troops would be a very bad idea. >> quick question. would you support military action in syria if it did not involve ground troops? we have some ground troops in there already but if it didn't involve fundamentally ground troops? >> as a veteran, i know we have an awesome military, but it is really stupid to use military force without a strategy. i could support the use of force, but the president needs to come forward with a strategy first. >> representative, good to talk
to you. good to join us. >> thank you. up next, my interview with ford's ceo mark fields. and i'll speak live with steve rack ner. are we seeing a trump bump in the economy? ♪
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three auto makers, he's come under pressure from president trump, tweets and all, to keep american jobs in the united states. in january, the president tweeted, quote, thank you to ford for scrapping a new plant in mexico and creating 700 new jobs in the united states. this is just the beginning. much more to follow. this morning, i asked fields how all that pressure factors into the decision that ford -- decisions that ford is making now. >> as a business, we're always looking at the business environment. we make investment decisions based on what's right for the business, but also being cognisant of, you know, what's the tax policy, what's the trade policy, so we can maximize the returns for our shareholders while bringing great products and services to our customers. >> the president called on you and other manufacturing ceos in what he calls listening visits to try and establish what it is you most want. what's the message from you and others to the president about what you most need to continue to prosper and keep jobs here?
>> from our standpoint, first, free and fair trade agreements. that'll help export even more for the united ates. comprehensive tax reform. we do have a tax -- corporate tax rate here, this is uncompetitive versus the rest of the developed world. we feel it needs to be addressed. regulatory certainty. again, we make long lead investments, so the investments we're making now really anow us for products coming out three, four, five years in the future. having the regulatory certainty is important. >> for instance, under the obama administration, fuel efficiency standards increased. now, they have been lowered under this administration. do you all sit around and say, oh, now we don't have to make cars at that level of fuel efficiency, or are you worried there will be another administration that may increase them? >> as our standpoint as a company, we are committed to improve fuel efficiency, both
for customers and the environment. and we're making big investments in lelectrification, 13 new electrified products. as a company, our sustainability strategy is not just about reducing ce 2 emissie ining co2 reducing fuel company. though the president is asking to reinstate the midterm review, which was the agreement back when we agreed to the fuel economy requirements in 2011, that's not going to change how we invest in the business going forward. you have to look at not only the regulatory environment but customer requirements. be obsessed over the customers. our customers are telling us around the world they want better fuel economy and our approach as a business is, let's have our vehicles will as easy on the planet as possible. >> one of the things you're working on is that you just came back from china and realize the world is an urban place.
america is slightly less urban and urbanizing less slowly than the rest of the world. you see your future in cities. cities need different things. they don'tctually need people buying as many cars as we all did. you have a strategyround the shared economy and reducing the number of cars on the road. tell me a little about this. >> our strategy overall is to, i'd call it, fortifying the profit pillars, trucks, suvs, our performance cars. transforming the underperforming parts of the business and emerging in the mobility, elek triificati -- electrification. we're seeing the growth of megacities. 10 million sort more people. there will be 40 of them in the next 15 years. there's maybe 28 today. more people. the issues of pollution and just changing consumer habits around not only owning but owning and sharing. so we're looking at that as a business and saying, what does that mean for us?
so we love our core business of, you know, designing, developing and selling great truck trucks,e also see a huge opportunity in this area of mobility, almost the monetization of the usage of our products. and so we're going to cities these days and we're asking them, what are your transportation and mobility issues? and what assets can we bring as a company to help that? what that will do for us is, yes, it could mean less vehicles in cities, but it could open up new business opportunities for us in terms of a dynamic shuttle, autonomous vehicles, that we currently don't have today. you end up solving a solution for a city because cities want to solve -- they want better flow in their cities, but they also want less congestion and less pollution. we help solve that by putting more, for example, dynamic shuttles on the street, which take 25 cars off the road for every one shuttle. then it also offers us a
business opportunity to grow. >> you're here because you're launching a new product. you have the ford lincoln navigator. >> yup. >> tell me about this vehicle. we've all known the navigator for a while, but you've had a lot of success with the lincoln brand. >> mm-hmm. we have a lotincoln brand. we've grown it a l the last four years. grew it over 70%, almost more than double the injury. >> how is that? lincoln was the car you got picked up in with a driver. how did you make it into something people wanted for themselves? >> it is a luxury brand. beautiful and elegant. also, personalized experiences. warm experiences that match. that served us really well. we have launched in china. we're the fastest growing car
luxury brand in china. we gained share here in the u.s. this year, the first quarter last year. now, we're building on the momentum, introducing the new lincoln navigator, which is our flagship suv. it's the most luxurious we've -- navigator we've ever done. it tries to combine modern luxury with advanced technology and these personalized experiences. >> if you're very small, you can't get into a lincoln navigator. it is about the biggest car there absolutely is. i'm here with steve, by the way. if you don't know steve, you should. this is a guy who has -- who served as president obama's car czar, among other things. i wanted to talk to him about that. but the lincoln thing was an interesting conversation with him. because some people think -- i'm not going to say myself -- but some think lincoln is an older person's car that picks you up, particularly if you get driven around, a limousine service.
they came up with this new model. >> it was a tired brand that had seen its day. if they can bring it back and make it successful, god bless them. >> let's talk about the pressure that -- none of the car makers are going to really say too much about this out there, but they have pressure by president trump who claims that his pressure on them is what is causing them to create new jobs in the united states or not move factories overseas or cancel factories overseas. how much of that is true? >> first of all, i think the companies have been clear, and they haven't gotten into a fight with the president but they've been clear, these are decisions either made before he was ever in office or made for other reasons. the reason they cancelled the plant in mexico is they think car small demand is not going to be as robust as they might have thought a couple year ago, with gasoline being in the $2 plus range. they don't want to have a fight with the president, but they make their own -- as you also know, companies don't decide to open or close a plant in two weeks. these are years in planning. >> right. >> they're making the best
commercial decisions. now, that said, i think his comments about the advantages of having more certainty around regulation, better tax policy, things like that, which the president also wants to do are in sync. we should all want that because it would make the companies more successful. >> let's talk more broadly about the economy. one thing i love about watching you is you always come with some sort of chart. the consumer confidence index. it is now above 125. 's not a rcentage, it is an inde it was hovering about 100 in october before donald trump's election. showing you a chart on there. if you pull that chart back, it's been going on for a long time. donald trump likes to take credit for this sort of thing. does he deserve it? >> i think a little bit, for sure. look, as you pointed out, first of all, you corrected him because he talked yesterday about percentages and it is not a percentage, it is an index. since the recession, it has gradually been coming back. even those who are not fans of
his policies or style have to acknowledge not that just index but small business optimism, all kinds of -- >> manufacturing. >> all the confidence indexes have turned up since the election. whether they can be sustained depends whether he gets stuff done or not. >> i think we can listen to this about job creation. let's hear what he said yesterday. >> you see the numbers. we've created over 600,000 jobs already in a very short period of time, and it is going to really start catching on now. some of the things we've done are bigly and they are catching on. >> okay. so it is important to catch some of these little thing s as they go along. 533,000 jobs created this year, not 600,000. 216,000 of those were created in january. donald trump was president for ten days in president. we come out to 307,000. it makes it an exaggeration, but the fact is, again, donald trump wants to take credit for this. president obama did not want to
take credit for the 700,000 jobs that were lost the first month of his presidency. i often say presidents get too much credit and too much blame entirely for job kree jags. >> i agree but let's talk about what happens the first two months of a presidency. nothing a president does in the first two months affects the jobs numbers for that period. the president didn't mention that last month, we only created 98,000 jobs. i'm not blaming him for that. it is one month. but what his impact on jobs is going to take time to develop and time before anybody can say, he gets credit or blamed. >> what's the best thing a president can do to create jobs since they can't really create jobs they create an environment which companies crea jobs. >> i'll take a different approach. our biggest economic problem is not jobs. we have an enormous amount of jobs. the unemployment rate is down to 4%. one problem is wages, which are finally growing. a bit above inflation, good
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you have to look it up if you don't know what it means because collins is one of the big and most important in the world on this. in most businesses if you have a brand or advertiser problem it relates directly to your business. in his case, his asastronomical high ratings are higher and they can't make money from it because the advertisers have pull ted money. >> on top of it, i think bill o riley is suffering from the women's movement and the recognition that the women drive the economy. and in the second thing you have an agitated grass roots left wing who look at the soap box
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night last week we were talking on the show about the siberian energy group on the right and we accidentally showed the website of the siberian energy group on the left. i'm sorry about that. you can understand why we might mix those up. the live siberian energy group versus the dead siberian energy group. interesting. the reason we even know we made that mistake and put up the website is this article on politico.com concerning the murky origins of half a million dollars paid to former security advisor mike flynn. >> the siberian group is the only publicly traded gas and exploration company in the u.s. that has 100% of its assets in russia. >> siberian energy group. part of what "politico" talked
about last week and we told you on the show, there is a link between the ceo of that now defunct siberian energy group and the guy who paid mike flynn more than half a million dollars mike flynn did not disclose on his security clearance application in washington. this is the money that was paid to flynn that caused him to retroactively register as an agent of a foreign power after he was fired from the white house. the guy that paid flynn that money has his own business history in russia as reported by "politico," reporting at least one financing deal personally approved by vladamir putin. this is an interesting thing about the flynn story, right? that link from the guy who paid flynn to his russian business dealings that personally involve putin, does that mean the money used to pay national security advisor mike flynn might have
its origins in russia while russia at that very time was attacking the u.s. election to help trump win? that's the question, people trying to figure out the trump russia story by following the money that's what makes this whole question red hot. that's why this is so important. the prospect when flynn was being paid during the campaign this possibility has been raised maybe who was paying flynn maybe the source of his foreign money were the same people attacking the election on trump's behalf. it's a red hot question and an important question particularly there is this new observable phenomenon in washington, d.c. where republicans in positions of authority find themselves getting up close and personal to the flynn side of the trump investigation those republicans keep poofing. they keep finding reasons to absent themselves from the investigation. congressman nunes and sally
yates and what they told mike flynn and told the white house, devin nunes canceled that hearing and got himself kicked off entirely and jason chaffetz, disclosing about money for sources. before that happened, he announced he was quitting congress and up and left town without any warning to go get foot surgery for an old injury and said he wouldn't be back for weeks. then, right after that the day after it was made public the department of defense inspector general was taking its own independent investigation of mike flynn and foreign payments the day after that the attorney general of the united states, jeff sessions announced for the first time he was out of this, too, he would recuse himself from any justice department investigation that touched on mike flynn. something about the investigation into mike flynn makes republicans turn tail and run away from these
investigations. the question of mike flynn and these foreign payments makes republicans faint. that makes the question of flynn's foreign payments very interesting. it is extraordinary enough the national security advisor was fired. it's extraordinary enough the national security advisor was fired for lying about his contacts with the foreign government. it is extraordinary enough he did not report his payments from foreign sources on his security clearance application. it is extraordinary enough as nbc news reported friday night the trump transition knew about mike flynn's foreign payments and they hired him as national security advisor anyway. it is sfroor enough that the sitting attorney general and the sitting vice president head of the transition, they both now deny there was any way they could have known about those foreign payments to mike flynn at the time. even though it's clear the white
house and transition absolutely did know about those foreign payments to mike flynn at the time. the whole thing is extraordinary enough already before you get to the question whether or not the on for payments that came to mike flynn during the campaign might have come from putin connected sources. the guy who paid mike flynn denies the money came from putin connected sources although he himself has had russian business dealings directly with vladamir putin. the link between that guy who paid flynn and the siberian energy guy is through a couple of d.c.-based nonprofit groups that lobby on turkish interests. both of these men have loose ties to those turkish organizations and deny having played a key role in founding them. the exsiberian energy ceo denies any connection to flynn or connection to the man who paid
flynn or vladamir putin and doesn't want anybody to think of him as a russian linked oligarch, that said he had a gas company withholdings in russia. as his lawyers wrote to us to make his denials and said they were bidding at a public auction they left out from their defiant lawyer letter to us all the stuff from this is old bio-on his siberian company website about all the years he spent working with the russian government including the part he literally brags about his quote extensive ties to russia's business community as well as federal government and regional authorities. whether or not he is ultimately going to turn out to be tied to these payments to mike flynn as "politico" suggested and we
talked about last week, he says he's not. his denial to "politico" and now to us he has any connections whatsoever to the putin government, his denial he has connections to the putin government is a little undercut by his previous public boasting about his previous extensive ties to the putin government. the mike flynn story kind of pulls it as red hot at the center of this bullseye. the official story about it is getting more and more upsetting to more and more people. we're hearing about it in more and more different kinds of ways everyday. the central story what happened to mike flynn and where that money came from and why he was paid and who he told about it and how it affected his employment at the white house and how the white house responded when they were told what they were told about his contacts with foreign government and russian officials, none of that makes any sense. fbi director james comey
testified he was nauseated by the knowledge the election result might have been affected by his choice to talk before the election about the fbi investigation into hillary clinton's e-mail server and his choice to not talk until after the election about the fbi's counter-intelligence investigation into the trump campaign and the possibility they colluded with the russian attack. tomorrow, james comey and mike rogers will testify behind closed doors to the house intelligence committee, the investigation from which chairman nunes has now been recused, then on monday there will be another open hearing in the senate. that one will involve sally yates fired by the trump white house for refusing to defend the muslim ban in court a couple days after she went to the white house to tell them about mike flynn's contacts with the russian government and lying about those contacts and potentially vulnerable to russian blackmail. that mike flynn issue is what
she is going to be testifying about in the senate on monday. depending how that hearing goes maybe we will learn more at that hearing about the murky origins of the foreign funding that went to michael flynn during the campaign while russia was attacking our election on behalf of trump's interests. maybe we will hear more about why the white house story about that money and michael flynn just doesn't add up. if we do get closer to the truth on that figuring out why the white house has not been telling the truth about that thus far i fully expect we will see at least one more d.c. republican faint from the shock thus requiring him or her to be immediately excused from this investigation. at that point i will also fully expect more threatening letters from lawyers. even so, we will stay on it, no matter what, i promise.
today we also got a grand new display how the trump party will fight against the investigation. >> where is all this speculation about collusion coming from? in january buzzfeed published a dossier spinning wild conspiracy theories about the trump campaign. buzzfeed acknowledged the claims were unverified and some of the details were clearly wrong. buzzfeed has since been sued for publishing them. since then much of the dossier has been proven wrong and many of his outlandish claims have failed to gain traction. >> republican senator chuck grassley today trying to make the annual fbi oversight hearing this year focus on what he's now characterizing as a scandal the fact the fbi has used the dossier intelligence gathered by former fbi agent christopher steel as part of its trump investigation. >> the public needs to know what role the dossier has played and where it came from. we need to know more about it,
how much the nvi relied on it. according to press reports, the fbi has relied on the document to testify its current investigation. there have been reports the fbi agreed to pay the author of the dossier. >> the author of the dossier is someone who a long standing relationship with the fbi, a key version who worked with the fbi on investigation that led to multiple arrests an indictments of international soccer that happened all over the world and substantially prosecuted here in the united states the least soccer major country there is was prosecuted here because the fbi and the u.s. justice department nailed the corruption in that multi-billion dollars
organization because they worked with mi6 agent christopher steel to do it. the republican party has just taken a turn on the trump russia investigation, they decided to defend against the trump russia investigation by attacking christopher steel and attacking the fbi once again with this british intelligence officer the fbi has had a long standing productive intelligence relationship in the past led to very high profile criminal indictments. in order to make that turn, in order to try to discredit and turn against the trump-russia investigation on this basis, republicans have to reach. since the dossier came out, piece after piece of it have been corroborated by the free press, which is very inconvenient for them for this argument. here's cnn, u.s. investigators corroborate some aspects of the russia dossier. the bbc, trump rush dossier key claim verified.
one of the claims in the dossier was a trump advisor's trip to moscow during the campaign. the trump campaign itself verified that one. the "new york times" reported key american allies, british and dutch corroborated information trump campaign figures having meetings during the campaign with russian officials. cnn reported parts of this dossier passed mustereen in federal court when the dossier was used in part to justify a secret fisa court warrant for u.s. surveillance on a trump campaign advisor. it's going to be an uphill battle for republicans to make the pivot on this and denounce and defend against the whole trump-russia investigation as if it is somehow tainted or suspicious because it includes this dossier. the republican claim today is the dossier has been increasingly discredited. that's not true in terms of the public record about the dossier, quite the opposite.
as time goes on more and more pieces do get independently corroborated. that's apparently what they decided on. in fact what has to be one of the greatest political smoke bombs of all time. the republicans today started today to claim the dossier itself between the trump campaign and russians, they started to claim today that claim itself is a russian op. what? that's what they're going to say now. >> are you familiar with fusion? >> i know the name. >> okay. are they part of the russian intelligence apparatus? >> i can't say. >> do you agree with me if fusion was involved with preparing a dossier against trump that would be interfering against the elections with the republicans? >> i can't say ---with the
russians. >> they want to let you know the new defense against the trump russia investigation is that the trump russia investigation is a russian operation which is amazing but that really is what they started arguing publicly today. on monday, next week, lindsey graham will be the one chairing that committee hearing in the senate where sally yates will testify what she and the justice department found out about mike flynn and foreign contacts and on for conversation and how the white house handle that information. lindsey graham also apparently invited former obama national security advisor susan rice to testify at that same hearing because why just have the hearing on the trump russia investigation when you can also muddy the waters with the president's claims the obama administration was secretly wiretapping trump tower and susan rice must have been up to no good. susan rice is declining to testify at that hearing on monday. she called the request a diversion from what is
supposedly the topic of the hearing, the trump campaign and russia and noted the invitation came just from the republican side of that committee and the ranking democrat of the committee said the white house backed her up on that saying it was not actually a bipartisan request to testify and he supports her decision to say know. there's a lot going on right now, just in washington right now. the house vote on repealing obamacare is likely to take place sometime early tomorrow, early to midday tomorrow. we have the latest on that coming up next. the trump administration may also be about to lose yet another senior nominee for the new administration. this is somebody who replaced their previous nominee. they may be losing their new nominee for that same job as well. that story ahead tonight as well. on the trump russia investigation, all of a sudden we are in full pushback mode in terms of the other side of this. the smoke bombs are flying,
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congress leaves for 11 days off. an 11 day weekend, yeah. that's the only thing that's ever made me want to run for congress. i never want to run for congress. 11 day weekend. not for a thing. why do we have an 11 day weekend. before their next tax funded payer vacation. the question is will house republicans try again for a third time to kill obamacare. tonight we learned the answer is very likely yes. >> going forward tomorrow? >> we're going tomorrow, yes, we are. >> do you have the votes? >> yes, we do. >> do you have the votes? house republican kevin mccarthy saying they do have the votes to kill the affordable care act supposed to occur between 12:30 and 1:00 p.m. eastern time tomorrow. i would caution that is subject to change depending how confident they are in vote total and twisting of arms. one remarkable thing about this
planned vote, they are not going to get the bill scored before they vote on it. you might remember the last time they tried to appeal obamacare the cbo score came back and said the republican bill would result in 24 million americans losing health insurance. that's a hard thing to sell and that failed of the score came in. now they're going back at it. in order to win over more conservative votes they made the bill more draconian this time raising the possibility when the score does come in on this one we could be looking at more than 24 million americans losing their health insurance because of this iteration of the republican bill. the republicans apparently learned their lesson. they decided to solve that attack problem this time by just not waiting for the score. before they go ahead and vote on this version of the bill. this new version of the bill allows individual states to opt out of the coverage requirements mandated by the affordable care
act. that sounds boring. what it means is if you have a preexisting condition of any kind, get ready to go back to the time when you can be denied health insurance for that or at least charged more for your coverage. reacting to tonight's announcement of a vote, house democratic leader nancy pelosi said tomorrow, house republicans are going to tattoo this moral monstrosity to their foreheads and the american people will hold them accountable. >> assuming the republicans are right and they do have the votes to pass healthcare tomorrow constituents will have immediately 11 days at home with their member of congress starting the end of the week to start that holding accountable process. joining us from "new york" magazine the author of "audacity" how bo denied his critics and created a legacy that will prevail. thank you for being here. >> thank you for having me. >> is the affordable care act
going to be a legacy that will prevail? they seem closer than ever to killing it. >> they are although the senate is not going to pass the bill going into the house tomorrow. it's not clear they will pass anything, not clear they will pass anything i think will be much weaker and leave a large chunk of the aca's achievements into place. we will have to see how it plays out. i wouldn't rest on that. you should hope the house doesn't pass it and don't get the chance. it was always the easy process for them. >> do you think it will pass and kevin mccarthy is right they will put it up tomorrow and it will pass? >> i think so. they're bad at counting votes. i wouldn't stick my life on it. i would on pelosi. the republicans lose these votes sometimes but i would bet on them winning.
>> in terms of the political fallout of this, one of the things we've seen is the home state resistance to this specific thing republicans are doing right now. it resulted in republicans not just moderate and swing state republicans but republicans of every stripe being a little shaken in their conviction they thought previously might have been an easy vote republicans have been saying for six or seven years they wanted to repeal obamacare and voting impotently to do that over and over again while in opposition. the home state dynamics changed since they had the power to do it. what happens to that now? >> that's a great question. just like you say, i think they sold themselves and drank their own cool laid on this and convinced themselves it was unpopular and always unpopular and nobody benefitted from it and came face-to-face with people benefitting from it.
obamacare became popular and that was before they took out what's popular in the bill, 20% still protected in preexisting conditions and now vulnerable to say insurance companies can discriminate against people who get sick. i think they decided their political interest lies in being seen as strong. the worst thing for them is to be seen as failing. that overrides any of the specifics of this terrible piece of legislation. >> to be clear on preexisting conditions obviously that is a heart rending thing for all sorts of people. you watch those confrontations to people and their member of congress, people born with genetic disorders, people who have cancer, every gamut, run the entire things that could have gone in their life through no fault of their own that makes insurance unaffordable.
republicans today saying we fixed that, taking account of that. we know you like that in obamacare and keeping that here. they've been saying that from president trump to paul ryan all the way on down. what's the rebuttal to that and will this be one of those alternative facts fights nobody agrees what's really in the bill? >> it will be to some extent. their solution is shunt people into preexisting conditions special pools that only sell policies to people who are very sick. those pools have never worked. they've always been underfunded. they have a small number of people and they have terrible limits. limits who can get in and how much money can be spent on them and waiting lists and all kinds of problems and they don't have money to make that a workable solution. the two sides will argue whether it works. people are cynical about washington and i think they won't believe republicans they will take care of sick people because they don't believe republicans like to do things like that because they don't.
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policy experience she plans to review some executive orders before they are signed. some earlier orders have set off a firestorm. she calls cabinet officials on issues she is interesting in recently asking the united nations ambassador nikki haley about getting humanitarian aid into syria. she set up a weekly meeting with steve mnuchin, the treasury secretary. she says, i am learning everyday. think about it within the white house, having your boss's daughter set a weekly meeting with you when he is the president of the united states. this is not something there is much precedent for in american history. there are not many if any american people cabinet members can call to get advice on. what's the precedent in american history and how do you say no to
the president's daughter? one of the many brand new worlds we have stepped into for this administration. joining us now is jody cantor who wrote this jaw dropping piece for the "new york times" given access to the first daughter. thank you for being here. >> thank you so much. >> we have interesting reporting about the white house sending their minders io the agency. they sent somebody fm the campaign to the epa and stef mnuchin's office and how they were annoyed. the guy at the epa piped up too much and steve mnuchin put his minder in the basement of the treasury. if a person in the federal government does not want to be working with ivanka trump, does not want her making decisions in her area of expertise, how is that handle? she's such a different kind of senior advisor? >> when we saw her last week in
the white house she's open about the fact she doesn't know government, a newcomer in washington and doesn't have legislative experience, et cetera. i think on the one hand it could be very disconcerting with somebody with no subject matter experience, 35 years old is asking you very consequential questions about your job. on the other hand, i think it honestly could be helpful because i think if you want to have influence with the president, get through to his daughter could be very effective for cabinet secretaries. >> or the opposite. right? if you can't get along with his 35-year-old daughter who has no subject matter expertise, who comes to this with an inherited real estate business background in jewelry marketing and all this stuff, she doesn't like your idea for the federal reserve restructuring or something, that -- she'll never be fired. >> she will never be fired. one of the big questions here is what the accountability level is
with both ivanka trump and jared kushner. for most white house staff if you don't do a good job however you define it the president let's you go gently or harshly. the likely they will ever be treated that way seems very very small. what we were really struck by in our visits with her were the lack of parameters on her portfolio. it's really wide ranging. she did not appear to see any limits on what subject matter she would deal with. i thought part of the headline of our story was she was going to review executive orders before they wear signed. >> to see if she thought they were a good idea? to what end? >> well, part of this is a reaction to bannon, right? part of it is sort of like her presenting herself as the anti-bannon in the white house. she was pretty open with us about the idea that she is there to be a kind of not rating
force. she said even if i can't kill certain policies, i can't stop certain things, i can sand down the edges of these policies. we said, okay, please give us examples because if we're going to represent that in the "new york times" we really need to know what you're talking about. she said, oh, no no no. i can't because my influence is contingent on me doing it silently. if i went out and spoke out against what the administration is doing i would not be able to be effective with my father. so the thing people say is kind of unique in the ivanka trump-donald trump relationship is that apparently she is able to give him criticism. this is not a president who is very open to criticism at all, that probably one of the most interesting moments in our reporting is maggie and i were on the phone with jared kushner talking about this. we asked him to describe the interactions in the west wing between the president and ivanka trump. he said they go into the oval
office together and talk. they're alone together. his implication and other aides supported this basically nobody really knows what's going on there in between father and daughter. >> if she's the only person who can criticize her father, she's the only person who can deliver a no for sharp criticism to her dad, that makes it really important that we know if she's getting good information, if she has true beliefs about the world, if she has conflicts of interest driving her to advise her father in a way that aren't in the country's best interests. what do we know about what she knows and where she comes from? >> she describes herself as a not particularly idea lolg call person, pro business, socially liberal moderate. that's an important question and the other important question is is she really able to challenge
her father. with that we went to biography. there are no answers in the white house, this is only her second week in the west wing. we looked at her life in the trajectory. this is not a kid who has ever really distanced herself from or visibly challenged her father. plenty of people grow up when they have a moment and say to their parents, i'm not like you in some way, i will live my life differently going on my own path. ivanka trump did not have that. she nestled within the trump family brand and trump family name, even her own company is interesting in terms of what we're talking about as well. it was sort of adjacent to the trump organization. >> she used their payroll and internal resources. she essentially set herself up as a part of the trump organization. in what is supposedly an independent business environment. i struggle with this because i'm not a biography driven political analyst. i don't believe you can look
into anybody's eyes or look into their biography or parents and divine whether or not they're good for the country or not. i tend to believe you have to judge people by their actions, not who they are. with her, she has no overt actions. with jared kushner he has no overt actions other than what they have done in the business world. what ivanka trump has done in the business world she's this champion of women's rights, she wasn't marketing these things and the only thing she's done is run a sub sid air aye of her dad's organization. >> i want to tell you a story reported by my colleague, rachel abrams. let's look back at her support for women's issues, she's saying she wants gender her thing in the white house, will fight for family leave and childcare. i want to stipulate there are a lot of people out there who want paid family leave and affordable
childcare by any means necessary. they do not care who passes it. the question is does she believe in it and can she execute it? does she have the legislative skills to move on something like this. we went back and looked at her first interest in gender issues. what it was when she launched her own apparel brand and other brands she wanted to become more relatable to regular women so she launched this women who work initiative. the sandberg book had just come out and ideas very popular. it was really a branding campaign, a hashtag. behind the scenes she officially had not offered maternity leave to her employees who wanted it, later came wake up plan. this hashtag didn't involve any policy, there wasn't like some >> agenda?anthropic activity. >> yeah. exactly. it really had nothing t doith
improving women's lives in a substantive way, it was about the image of being a contemporary working woman. >> aligning herself with that as an idea purposes. literally for branding purposing. >> it's just an incredibly curious trajectory from feminism as kind of marketing campaign to supposedly feminist policy. one really striking thing about her with our encounter with her in the white house, some of her words sounded so surprisingly like hillary clinton's. a lot of the classic clintonisms don't belong to hillary only. when people talk about wanting to empower women, obviously that's very broad language. but some of the things she said about the way women could power the economy and how women had to live up to their full economic potential, it was -- the language was so close that i think the skeptical question there is she trying to appropriate rate clintonism,
even though of course hillary clinton has been an advocate for women her entire life? and are people going to be happy with that? for people that are really upset that clinton lost, ivanka's work on gender in the white house going to be at all a satisfying substitute? >> particularly as contraception coverage is going to get gutted tomorrow by this executive order that her dad is about to sign. it's a fascinating -- again, biographical approaches to this kind of stuff is not usually the way i approach these things. but with the children as presidential advisers, it's the only way in. jodi kantor, co-author of this remarkable new piece on ivanka trump in "the new york times." a remarkable piece. thanks. we'll be right back. stay with us. across the state. new roads and bridges. new mass transit. new business friendly environment.
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the army looks like he may be in serious trouble as well. since he was tapped for this gig last month, his past public statements have made for fun reading. mark green, for example, has said that being transgender is a disease. he has said the reason more latinos are registering to vote in his state is because they are, quote, being bussed here probably. he has been an outspoken crusader against evolution, which he destroys in arguments with -- he destroys in arguments with metaphors like these. quote. if you put a lawnmower out in your yard and 100 years come back, it's rusted and falling apart. you can't put parts out there and 100 years later it's going to come back together. boom, evolution, dead. but the pressure against his nomination is now mounting on capitol hill. reporting today is he may be withdrawing from consideration any minute now. senator john mccain heads up the armed services committee that will have to sign off on and approve his nomination.
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this is a democratic health care bill. are you ready? massive tax relief for middle-class american families. $700 billion in tax cuts. new health care bill gives people choice. so is the republican health bill perfectly mark of course it is a. is it better than obama care? of course it is. now, it's do or die for senate republicans. charles explains the stakes. >> this is really a test of the republic. if the republican party is concerned in the country is not able to pass this which is essentially about entitlement reform, if you can't do that then we have no hope of entitlements. >> jesse: so, we'll see if it republicans can pass the test. if they do, republicans should be thanking them for fixing the system that they broke.
>> here is the beltway battle who is involved with implementing obama care political commentator, tommy lawrence. ladies first. what did you think of my assessment of the stakes and where we stand on healthcare? >> you are right. it's also important to point out as he did that if we change just one word of obama care, the democrats were telling us we were killing people. a front let's be honest about the narrative. beyond that we should repeal obama care, replace it with liberty and have a great fourth of july. >> jesse: everyone can celebrate freedom on the fourth of july but the democratic party does not like freedom, they don't like choice when it comes to healthcare. they like choice when it comes to everything else on the platform. what is the democratic party dislike giving the american people more choice in selecting healthcare coverage? >> the affordable care act gave people choice. >> jesse: note didn't.
>> you are both completely wrong about the senate proposal and senate proposal. any one that takes covers from 22 million people is a not a choice it's a disaster. >> jesse: but if you're not mandating people through taxation to find of obama care, people are going to do it. they will have the freedom to decide whether or not they want healthcare or not. >> i want them to have healthcare because i don't want my bill to be significantly high because they choose not have health insurance coverage. >> jesse: but everyone's healthcare bills are already high after obama care was passed. premiums are skyrocketing. there's not a lot of choice. look at i will, there's only one option for people to choose from. how do you see the healthcare bill going down? >> it's projected next year, 44 counties will have no choice at all. we are in a death spiral right now.
there's no question to that. this narrative of the democrats pushing and were killing people and taken away healthcare, let's not forget the biggest liable which was told by barack obama, if you like insurance, you can keep it. yes, we need to fix something here. repeal now, replace later, let's do something because this is not working. >> jesse: anton, do the democrats have any substitutes policy input that they think the republican party might go along with? >> that depends. we have policy input for six years when president obama was president, guess what, the congress had no interest in trying to prove healthcare make it better. so, i don't think they're interested in listening to good ideas. they just want to repeal the affordable care act and give the opportunity to say they want something and take health insurance on 22 millie people. >> jesse: i don't agree with the last part. but i agree neither party wants their fingerprint fingerprints on a doomed dell.
do you remember susan rice? now, she has been slapped with subpoenas and she is going to testify on capitol hill in the unmasking investigation, looking into unmasking of trump officials which is not supposed to be political. those names were leaked and that's a crime. she's playing the race and gender card since she might be being targeted because of her race and gender. do you think that's a fair assessment? >> it's amazing to me how they seem to be able to pull out the cards. look at the people being investigated. look at what the president has to go through on a daily basis and he's a white male. it has a lot to do with susan rice herself. the moment you parade around with talking points and be on the youtube video it has to do
with being a liar. >> jesse: respond to. susan rice has been embroiled in the benghazi situation, she said it was about a video and she said bergdahl was a deserter and he served with honor and distinction and captured on the battlefield. then she changed her story in public about the unmasking. to susan rice have any credibility when she goes in front of the senators and congressmen on capitol hill? >> she has a lot of credibility. she served on her two presidents in the national security role. i can tell you to me she has more credibility than michael flynn had. >> jesse: we will see. i think everybody is going to want to see if susan rice raises her hand and plead the fifth. that would be interesting. thank you both very much. donald trump racking up big wins on immigration this week. there could be big surprises on the way. white house advisor doctor sebastian gorka is next.
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relationships will be allowed into the country. and who will be banned? joining me is deputy assistant to the president, doctor sebastian gorka. i'm not sure how many students are vacationing in honolulu, that's beside the point. in my opinion, coming to america is a movie, not a right. i don't think a lot of the aclu lawyers sitting at the airports understand that. now, tell me if i have this right. if you are 25-year-old syrian male and you fly into jfk, and that's a war-torn country, isis controls large swaths of land and maybe you have a rental car agreement. you cannot come into america like that were as before there is a shot you were getting in, right? >> right. so the supreme court gave us
vindication, 19 makes zero decision, no dissensions, the original travel moratorium stands with a small modification, unless you have close relatives. you cannot be distant relatives, cannot be your front fiancé. less their close relatives you're not coming into the united states until we review the process and are clear that we can verify who your and you are not a threat to america. >> that makes perfect sense in my opinion. america is a melting pot. but, we still have a chef and that's cannot control what ingredients going to the pot. that's common sense. i believe the supreme court believes that. there's a question whether ruth bader ginsburg should recuse herself because she said some things about trump when he was running and now that he was president which were unseemly. calling him an egomaniac, even
joking she might leave the country if he became country president, do you think that's a fair issue? >> i'm not going to qualify individual supreme court judges but i love your analogies about the chef. the one i use is simply, do you lock your front door at night when you go to bed? sure you do. and during the day when people come into your house who decided? do they decide who comes in or do you decide. the president has the constitutional authority and has had to decide who comes to the united states and becoming an america is not a rights, it's a privilege. >> to other big immigration wins this week, the house gop making good on the promise to make america safe again bypassing case law and defunding sanctuary cities. defending criminal illegal aliens.
democrats went nuts, listen. >> the republican parties have had mexican fever. is it not going well for the leader, let's whip out that mexican thing as the vice president penn said. healthcare not going well? but hates the mexicans today. these bills are nothing new and they are not really about fighting crime. they're about racial profiling and putting latinos in their place. >> i think that's offensive. little me this. if republican mayors were to disobey federal law on guns, on abortion, on any other hot button topic, marriage, the media would say there's a civil war up for the we have a constitutional crisis. but whenever there's a democratic mayor it somehow righteous.
>> that clip you just played was reverse racial baiting. nothing else. think about why this law was actually brought in front of the congressmen and women. a beautiful woman, 32 years old gunned down in broad daylight by a man who came to this country illegally, deported five times, convicted seven times. how is it a bad idea to stop that from happening again? >> is common sense legislation so someone commits a crime, felony and they are deported and are caught reentering the country illegally, they get locked up for some time. any democrat against that i'd like to see them explain that to kate's family. >> absolutely. this new bill means that if you are caught coming back after you been deported you can get two years in federal prison. if we convict you and then deport you and you come back
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>> cnn, fake. [applause] the camera just one off. okay, you can come back. i would say. i won't say anything more about you. i see the red like off. >> jesse: those comments after a rough week from cnn. the network embarrassed itself not once but twice, first having to retract a fake story which tied former trump aid joe >> been admitting russia coverage is baseless and for ratings. when will the fake news and? joining me now, journalists and our of the smear. fake news control we see and think and how you will.
>> so, cnn has had a rough spring i'm think it's safe to say. that the kathy griffith debacle, the james comey testimony exclusive they had to retract, some people said things about trump that i'm not allowed to repeat on air. then people like to say the media is there to hold the powerful accountable, think now the media has become so powerful the media itself is being held accountable and they don't like that. >> i would say was happen at cnn is a reflection of a larger trend i talk about in the book whereby the news media in some regards has been successfully infiltrated by the interest that tried to drive narratives and smear. we've invited them into our newsrooms and we've hired them in this is the result. >> when you hire political hatchet men and women as producers or as on-air talent, you have to expect everything is
going to get burned to the ground and it will not be the same institution as it once was. talk about media priorities here, the mainstream media is obsessed with russia i think 353 minutes dedicated to the russia comey investigation, the paris accord, 47 minutes. the fight against terror only half an hour. but anything regarding president's policy agenda and the substance behind it gets little play. you're not surprised by the fact that the american people are so turned off by the press because they don't think the press is covering the president fairly. >> it kind of reads like a textbook propaganda or narrative campaign when you look at how the russian narrative emerged and compared to the facts and i spoke to a couple of former obama officials who said they do
not think russia even had an impact at all in our election let alone colluded with donald trump. these are obama intel officials. they went on to describe how china has interfered with our elections and they consider that a weaker threat, iran is a much bigger threat and north korea's the biggest foreign threat. yet none is bn reported with the ferocity that you mentioned that we are reporting on russia. >> jesse: speaking of threats, people are now claiming they are the ones under threat and take a look at this montage. >> have you raise the concern that all of us in the news media have about the president calling us enemies of the american people because that's a very harsh statement and potentially dangerous. >> at what point does this become dangerous?
i'm talking dangerous as in a journalist gets her. i can tell you working overseas in war zones, people are in bold and by the actions of this administration, emboldened by the declaration of war and the media. >> the reporters and journalists are enemies of the state. someone, god forbid someone is going to do something violent against journalist and a large way. >> so first of all we would like to correct the record. the president did not say you are an enemy of the state. he said fake news is the enemy of the people. it's interesting because the press likes to say when trump calls the fake news media that will cost someone to shoot them. on the other hand you've had the press calling republicans racist, bigoted traders for the last year and a half and then
someone did come out shoot a republican and said rhetoric had nothing to do with it so which is it? >> it's that substitution game i like to play have similar things are treated depending on who makes the accusation. i think that's a signal. >> jesse: i want to get to something in your book and it's a great book. you came across an e-mail from palmeri who was hillary clinton's communications director during the campaign. and jen sakae who is the obama state department spokesperson. it says this, think we can get the interview with kerry by cbs done so he is not asked about e-mail? the e-mail is referring to the hillary clinton e-mail scandal. that seems like collusion to me, doesn't it? >> if you look at the chapter i read in the book is full of e-mails that say things like
that and far worse where the journalists are you kidding behind the scenes and agreeing to let officials call the terms of the campaign. one of clinton's assistance was talking to a reporter in washington who wanted an advance copy of her speech and he said okay, if you meet these three conditions. one was that you must describe her speech is muscular which is a name you not think of as used to describe a speech, not only was it used by that reporter an agreement you can see a black and white, i looked into several other reporters use the same words in describing the speech. >> not a coincidence that muscular was used in the report? >> could even think of that word? not one time but three times that they were insisting the term be used, that's eye-opening. >> i've always said there's more
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on sunday morning the president tweeted a 282nd video of a wwe broadcast edited to show the president wrestling a man with a cnn local on his face. the # reading fake news cnn. it has prompted sharp criticism that is one of his most shared and most retweeted post ever. new jersey governor, chris christie plans to convene the legislator on monday in an attempt to break the budget deadlock that prompted him to shut down the government on friday. if reload 35000 workers and also force the closure of all 40 state parks for the fourth of july weekend. christie has signed a state of an emergency to allow essential government services to stay in operation. >> it's disgusting, vulgar. talk about winning that way? you physically look like you do, be on the stupidity of it, you're a pig, you are a bully,
and you are doing disgusting things to this country. >> jesse: wow. that was a former cnbc host on morning joe attacking president trump for his early tweets about joe scarborough and mika brezezinksi. some think he went overboard in his comments but msnbc is not want to talk. they spent nearly a decade trashing people like sarah palin and the most disgusting way. people like joe scarborough making fun of the way she speaks in her family. even martin was forced to do resign after comments about the former alaskan governor. where's the outrage? mark, author of rediscovering americanism and host of seer to be networks joins me now. so, before is out there saying that trump is a mentally old
narcissist dictator. i don't think it was the fire smartest thing for president trump to go after her physical appearance but the morning joe has been trashing people like sarah palin for ages on firm ground : president a sexist. >> they have the heartbeat of greenwich village, they claim to represent the people, i don't even watch the show. i see clips of the show, i would say this, if you believe in women's rights, why do you defer to joe, your future house spend all the time which is what she does? she's a second seat. at astro this, why did you feel it radio, i know this because and he left where i am he and she said, were taking a respite to rebuild the radio show and then they wind up on msnbc. that show has less shows than sonogram radios. >> the only time i watch cnn is when i travel.
you are a trained lawyer, there's some audio we won't play but i think the president was at a fundraiser the other day and i think he said maybe i should sue cnn. cnn has been caught and if you embarrassing stink situations and have had to eat crow recently. does he have a case? >> no. he doesn't have a case. can i go back to the little fellow, donny deutsch area and let me tell you something. you think you're a tough guy on tv and talk about the president of the united states that way? that's a problem with that show. you want to be respected then you need to treat people with respect. you want to be a jerk then you will be treated like a jerk. whether we agree with the president or not, the fact is he's in a proud and accomplish
man and has done more than joe scarborough had done in his life. you can challenge him on the issues. you can take him on certain personality traits. but when you start attacking him you get no respect and you don't reserve respect either. >> so don't have these guys in the same greenroom you could have trouble. >> i'm nervous. >> jesse: let me tell you about healthcare. i've said the health care bill coming out is not going to be perfect. we know obama care is far from perfect. what you want to see happen? >> i think it's a disaster. i think with the senate is doing is a disaster. the american people cannot even tell you what the senate is doing. people are going to a dr., they want to have access to a dr. and it access to procedures they need and surgeries they need. they don't want long waiting times at a reasonable price. how do we get there? do we get there through the centralized government type system? people do you know in america go to canada for healthcare? how many people in america go to britain for dental care?
how many people go to france for healthcare? were the only industrials countries that don't have socialist healthcare. good. i like the presence latest idea. if they can't pass something, and i hope they don't, because it's always in the mind to the left, it's all based on obama care. if it's repealed and you get 12 months notice what happens? that is 20 milli- people who need insurance. they say 20 milli- people one have insurance, that's baloney. free enterprise, entrepreneurs and insurance companies will step in and offer different types of policy. they will make money, prices will come down this 20 milli- people will have healthcare. >> i think the original idea should not have been expanding coverage should have been reducing costs. the cost went up and now everyone wants the cost to go down, it's bogus to say people will lose insurance, of course they will because they will not
be taxed into getting insurance. >> i'm in medicaid's welfare program. >> and it's exploding. here's the thing, they think look at all this coverage, people in medicaid don't like medicaid. we don't even discuss and debate it. i like this idea, repeal the thing, give 12 months to the private sector those 20 milli- people are likely to have good health care. >> i spacer on the other day and i said what are we gonna do and he said face too. let me talk to you about the russian, obama collusion angle. this is something you been talking about, the washington post came out this piece that obama is struggling with the russian interference. this week, i've heard very little for some strange reason
about the collusion angle. why is that? >> because of your point, barack obama was president, commander-in-chief and was responsible for protecting us from cyber warfare. it was great hearing these on the senate intelligence committee who used to love the soviet union and now they don't like russia. i've never like putin by the russian government. that said, when i listen to them go on and on about what an assault this is on america yeah what did you do about it? who's the fbi director? comey, clapper, you have loretta lynch, obama, what did they do? they covered it up because they wanted her to win hillary of they didn't want people to think the election was tainted. i thought this is a dereliction of duty on behalf of the president. it's funny they say the democrats were for russia before they were against. mark, congratulations of the book.
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leadership. so the sanders family is under investigation, the trump family, not. now who's feeling the burn? the national endowment for the arts is spending $20000 of taxpayer money on illegal immigrant lesbian musical called walls. this is one wall that mexico is not going to be paying for. surprise, surprise. seattle's first in the nation 15-dollar per hour wage law is hurting the workers it aims to help. the new way boosted pay by 3% and resulted in a 9% reduction in hours which means workers are taken about $125 less each month. reminds me of the saying, the road to hell is paved with good intentions. as democrats continue to lose house there finding ways to relate to voters. instead of changing leadership
this week they decided to appoint congressmen of illinois as a new chairwoman of heartland engagement. proving once again how i don't out of touch the democrats are. president trumps criticism of the nato allies for not investing in the military is paying off. nato secretary-general announced plans to boost defense spending by 4.3% this year. looks like tough love works. here's your fake news story of the week. if you been watching cable news this year, you have seen dozens of democrats that all 17 intelligence agencies agreed the russians hacked the election. this has come from the highest levels of the russian government. clearly from putin himself, in an effort a 17 of our intelligence agencies have confirmed to influence our election. >> 17 agencies came to a consensus conclusion that we
took the extraordinary step of making public. >> we have 17 u.s. intelligence agencies have said that russia attempted to influence our election. >> 17 u.s. intelligence agencies issued a statement expressing their unanimous assessment. >> jesse: that was fake news. ironic susan rice was in it again. the new york times buried a correction at the bottom of the paper same there was only four agencies, not 17. who's counting? apparently not the new york times. all immigrants want to become citizens have to pass a basic test. could you? "watters' world" quizzes college students when we come back. >> what year do we declare independence? >> 1984? >> way off. ♪ rs. ♪ ♪
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>> two. >> i'm going to say 100. >> you got it. what month it do we vote for presidents? >> december? >> january? >> april. >> know that's when you pay your taxes. >> march? >> august. >> august is in the summer. >> november? >> you got it. what year do we declare our independence? >> 1984? way off. >> 1884. >> 1776. >> 1776. >> july 4. >> 1776? >> genius. the name of our national anthem is? >> is in a called the national
anthem? >> it is the star-spangled banner. >> very good. lester rendition. >> oh say can you see by the dawn's early light. ♪ was a probably we hailed ♪ by the don's -- by the twilights. >> i forget the rest. >> o'er the ramparts. >> what of those called? lamb parts? >> and the rockets red glare, the bombs bursting in air ♪ ♪ gave proof to the light, night? a --
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