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option. >> this is the choice. its trump and biden. i mean, you can take the easy way out and say, well, im not going to vote for either of them, but one of those guys is going to be president of the united states, and people ought to focus on that. will: plus, its one of vice president harris favorite things. >> who doesnt love a yellow school bus? right? can you raise your hand if you love a yellow school bus, right? [laughter] if. will: is it all misplaced priorities? the white hous...

♪ will: 2.2 million americans over 55 still have student loans, and the national student loan debt is at a shocking $1.6 trillion. our next guests are young train workers who took an alternative to the traditional 4-year college program and say its helped them pursue their careers and save money. here to discuss is contractor or alabama a by and pluming apprentice sam. thank you both for being with us. you know, lets start with you, abby. talk to me about your choice. you decided to go to trad...