alluded to and you know far a better than we do, the tribal nature of afghanistan leads to success in those areas. why aren t we led to believe that this is a fool s errand, trying to inflict local governance, you own this land, that it can never be done given the history of afghanistan? anecdotally that s all i hear from people returning from afghanistan, marines returning from afghanistan, that we re involved in a fool s errand trying to do this? well, you could argue that any attempt to stabilize the country where osama bin laden launched the horrific attacks that took down the twin towers should not be called a fool s errand. will it succeed is a much more difficult question. it s surely not a fool s errand. david go ahead. excuse me. i just was going to say, joe, i know you ve been a skeptic about this war and there are a