the only reason i know i m holding is when i got out in the street i still had it in my hand so somehow i got my knee up and pushed him back and the minute he backed up i was out the door. joining us, former u.s. attorney for the northern district of alabama also an msnbc legal analyst. joyce, thank you for joining us tonight and i know you also read the second by second detail that e. jean carroll provides in her new york magazine article description as well as what we heard tonight. with the elements you heard described tonight and wa you read her describe in the article, what is it that you re hearing? is this what is the crime you re hearing here? we re hearing a description under new york state law of a crime of first-degree rape. and this is something that e.
e. jean carroll provides in her new york magazine article description as well as what we heard tonight. with the elements you heard described tonight and wa you read her describe in the article, what is it that you re hearing? is this what is the crime you re hearing here? we re hearing a description under new york state law of a crime of first-degree rape. and this is something that e. jean carroll is not going to pursue and we heard her say some things about why she didn t pursue it then, and blaming herself, actually. blaming, to this day, saying she can t quite release the idea of blaming herself for allowing herself to get in that position. this is such a classic sort of refrain that you hear from women who have been the victims