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And economists, college professors, journalists that say it will not just havent lived in the real world. >> i agree with you. the expiration of the 2% payroll tax cut at the end of the year had a material effect. you saw walmart and burger king. i dont really care if we raise taxes now or later but tax increases have to be part of this 10 year package. >> i agree, just like medicare cuts. >> i agree. >> we have to be so careful about what we do, the economy is upside down. the fourth quarter we...