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Its more important, certainly since ronald reagan, that they have a real rock-ribbed conservative republican and thats the best contrast and the best way to advance the republican values. >> shannon: you also had head-to-head debate with two former governor, two former party leader, i dont think they agreed on anything. >> no. this was a gamble on our part. we wanted to preview what the general election debate will be like, whether its romney or not, against obama. we had howard dean, the former...