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papers, you will see that every single video, every single surveillance tape that was requested was turned over. if president trump didn't want something turn over, i assure you that is something that could have been done, but he never would act like that. he's the most ethical american i know. aishah: so she is denying, mark, that this happened. trump is denying that this happened. but isn't it easier to get minute on instruction rather than the actual crime even if it didn't occur? if. >> well, keep many mind that these added charges that we saw this week actually deal with what's known as an attempt, right? they're actually not accusing donald trump and his staff of destroying evidence, they're saying that he attempted to do so is. now, whenever you deal with an attempt case, aishah, really the major legal and factual question is to what degree do you wants -- how many steps do you have to take before you can be found guilty of an attempt. here it sounds, according to indictment, that they talked about whether or not these tapes
Trump-didn-tSomethingVideoTapePapersAmericanSurveillanceAishah-hasnieItIsn-tCrimeMark-smithhe knows and we all know that you don't actually have to pull off the entire criminal scheme to be guilty. this is an attempt case. >> ambassador, what do you make of the sound bite i just played about hunter biden. that was the general counsel or the counsel who was asking the question on behalf of republicans and drilling down on hunter biden's lack of experience and not living in ukraine and the amount of money he was being paid and not speaking the language. was that effective at all? >> i don't think it was. i think it was part of the republican effort to sort of throw chaff in the air and throw a bun of things up and see what is possibly going to land and when george kent answered those questions as we saw just now he said no, he had no knowledge, but any evidence that biden had done something wrong was completely lacking, and so it was a part of this continued effort that they had made to say nothing happened and there was only a second or third hand. the other thing besides the
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