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allegations in the indictment. we do know they have spoken several times to walt nauta, and we know that they spoke to carlos de oliveira. i think it s clear that they do have a decent sense of the chronology. you can see they have these phone records that lay out the exact length of time these conversations took place. clearly, there isn t the evidence i think we are likely to see them turn to going forward. lisa, back to you, the indictment also refers to the use of shush emojis, walking through tunnels with a flashlight, use of an audio room, and jumping through bushes for the alleged meeting between nauta aunt de oliveira. the property next to mar-a-lago. what is the case prosecutors are trying to make here? they are trying to show that nauta s trip to mar-a-lago right after the receipt of both the draft subpoena and then the ultimate subpoena was meant to be secret. he didn t want other people to know about it. and they had walt nauta s phones to pull text from s.
cabinet or a small audio room to sort of discuss the plot to destroy these surveillance tapes. it just shows what incredible body of evidence the special counsel has. but it also shows just how much consciousness of guilt there is on the part of the president. the overlapping efforts to obstruct the investigation. if, you know, part of his earlier defense which he had declassified this information, or he had the right to declassify it, if any of that was true, o, he wouldn t need to go to these extraordinary efforts to destroy evidence. so it is i think very powerful again and shows just how much evidence there is, but also i think is going to put enormous pressure on this newly indicted de oliveira to cooperate as well as on nauta to cooperate. and i wouldn t be surprised to see one or both of them ultimately decide it s in their best interest to do so. by the way, on the notion of
wanted to erase the record. i think as a public has to be shown the reasons why this matters, the idea that the i. t. guy and thevalet are huddling in the audio room stepping away from the office, this remains between the two of us, it is a conspiracy and the most obvious sense, right? the suggestion in the document and the indictment is that trump knew about all of it. he was monitoring all of this all along. this seemed very pointed to me. the inclusion of the conversations with trump. do you read it that way? absolutely. the reference to the boss monitoring this entire situation, and then reporting back to him, and them stating over and over again what his desires were. the boss wants to see this. and that is really damning evidence. so, my second question though, the boss wanting this stuff deleted, is that i m not a lawyer it is not
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