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Transcripts for BBCNEWS HARDtalk 20240604 04:40:00

and they claim they re aiming at israeli shipping targets in the strait. the houthis should be under no misunderstanding. we in britain are committed to holding malign actors accountable for these unlawful attacks. how concerned are you about the very real risk of an escalation that takes us into a much wider mideast war? so from my perspective we are already in a regional conflict. i really struggle to see how this isn t, whether you ve got lebanon or whether you ve got what s happening in syria, what s happening on the jordanian border, let alone what s happening with the houthis in the red sea. but what we don t want is for it to get hotter, for it to escalate even more. the houthis. we need to look at iran. we need to look at iranian influence. but we also have to stop talking about certain groups like the houthis as if they are controlled completely by iran, that every action they undertake is determined and essentially given to them as an action to carry out. but we do have t

Transcripts for BBCNEWS HARDtalk 20240604 23:39:00

of confronting israel in the british government? i don t think it s unique to the british government. i think within the west, because israel gaza is such a complicated issue and there is no one right history, there is no black and white to this, and i think increasingly, as i ve grown up and gotten older, people have searched for an absolute dichotomy. they want to be certain because the psychological kind of confusion of the grey area, the reality of most foreign affairs, makes people feel uneasy. it makes people uncertain. so they do force themselves to two extremes. and you ve seen governments around the world do that. you ve got some governments who, the way they speak about israel is outrageous, the way they talk about israel s future, absolutely appalling. but then you ve got some governments who aren t willing to be a critical friend when actually that is what our role is to be to our allies. and just a quick thought about the wider context in the middle east, the uk has deploy

Transcripts for BBCNEWS HARDtalk 20240604 23:40:00

the bab el mandab strait. grant shapps, the defence secretary, has said, the houthis, who have been firing missiles at shipping and they claim they re aiming at israeli shipping targets in the strait. the houthis should be under no misunderstanding. we in britain are committed to holding malign actors accountable for these unlawful attacks. how concerned are you about the very real risk of an escalation that takes us into a much wider mideast war? so from my perspective we are already in a regional conflict. i really struggle to see how this isn t, whether you ve got lebanon or whether you ve got what s happening in syria, what s happening on thejordanian border, let alone what s happening with the houthis in the red sea. but what we don t want is for it to get hotter, for it to escalate even more. the houthis. we need to look at iran. we need to look at iranian influence. but we also have to stop talking about certain groups like the houthis as if they are controlled completely

Transcripts for BBCNEWS HARDtalk 20240604 04:40:00

secretary, has said, the houthis, who have been firing missiles at shipping and they claim they re aiming at israeli shipping targets in the strait. the houthis should be under no misunderstanding. we in britain are committed to holding malign actors accountable for these unlawful attacks. how concerned are you about the very real risk of an escalation that takes us into a much wider mideast war? so from my perspective we are already in a regional conflict. i really struggle to see how this isn t, whether you ve got lebanon or whether you ve got what s happening in syria, what s happening on the jordanian border, let alone what s happening with the houthis in the red sea. but what we don t want is for it to get hotter, for it to escalate even more. the houthis. we need to look at iran. we need to look at iranian influence. but we also have to stop talking about certain groups like the houthis as if they are controlled completely by iran, that every action they undertake is dete

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