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April 5, 2015
Conversation between the two of you. it would early be something to agree if someone cake to the baker, and said, on interracial marriage, we want a cake i think you would say that is outrageous the idea he would not participate in an interracial marriage, why is same sex different? >> we have public accommodation laws on the books and there is no indication there is a pattern of courts allowing these laws to trump those laws. this is a strawman. there is no reason we cannot handle them open a c...
April 4, 2015
Rights and gay rights exploded this week. and in attempt to quiet the uproar the governors of arkansas and indiana signed fixed versions of their states religious freedom laws. potential 2016 presidential candidate and ordained baptist minister mike huckabee has taken a hard stance saying the gay community wont rest until quote there are no more churches. governor huckabee thank you for being here and happy easter. >> michael, great to be with you. thank you very much. happy easter to you. >> th...
April 4, 2015
Christian baker either says no, i dont want to or he has to. >> that baker is in a service industry. i think the balance is that person has full religious freedom. we cant force their church to do anything. but when their desire to embrace their religion impacts on my rights to access services youve stepped over the line. >> what do you think? >> i agree with that statement. i think its important for the context of the discussion of the indiana law it was passed in response to what happened in n...
April 4, 2015
Really ought to either be consistent quit making money from these countries that are really oppressing human rights and quit bowing to the pressure and just sell their stuff. thats what theyre in business for. sell stuff. >> but thats the argument -- but governor thats the argument thats made from the other side about the baker and the florist and the candlestick maker. youre in business to make a cake. just bake a cake and go home and be be a good christian, whatever that means. >> a lot of peo...
April 4, 2015
Able to have to provide the cake no matter what. what do you think? >> i think so long as we have these laws i think there is good reason to allow our citizens the original impetus for the federal law was to allow native americans who spoked as part of their religious ceremonies means to access that. there were specific issues that had nothing to do with moral opposition to what some citizens do whom we should be serving in our public accommodations. given that we have these laws i think its ver...
April 4, 2015
Anyone else. and i certainly think that its very appropriate to express the spirit of that. if were going to have religious freedom restoration laws for good reason its important to state the principle within the context of the law. that this does not mean that you can, if you are a business offering your services to the public. that you can discriminate against people based on their characteristics. >> christine, im a member of the westberro baptist church you are a baker i want you to work my ...
April 4, 2015
Saying the gay community wont rest until, quote, there are no more churches. governor huckabee thanks for being here and happy easter. >> michael, great to be with you. thank you very much. happy easter to you. >> thank you, sir. so the question of the week -- should the baker have to bake the cake for the gay couple? >> well i think the question is really whether or not a person of conscience is able to say no to something. this is not about discrimination. its about discretion. the fact is if ...
April 4, 2015
Issue. and for anybody to try to draw some comparison between whats happening by not getting a wedding cake made and people having their hands cut off or being hanged or imprisoned. i mean i find that a stretch and i think these corporations really ought to either be consistent quit making money from these countries that are really oppressing human rights and quit bowing to the pressure and just sell their stuff. thats what they are in business for. sell stuff. >> thats the argument -- governor ...
April 3, 2015
It casts us as bad people. and it reverses any kind of progress, i think, weve made in the last couple of generations. >> these are very strong words coming from you. and ive known you for years. >> yep. >> and you were once the president of the national organization for women in i think the los angeles chapter. >> thats right. >> you dont really speak out a lot about gay rights, but when the issues come up you do talk about them. >> well, i think being presents important. and when its political...
April 3, 2015
Eradicatin eradicating. i trust the judges to do as they have in federal courts across the country and in that 22 year history, there has never been a court that has ruled in act of discrimination. >> you often prepare and legislate for potential and more give judges to work with, the better. you could exempt lgbt from discrimination under your bill expressly. you could push at the same time to protect lgbt as a class in your state, right now, not the case and that would ensure what you say you ...