to fear what martin lewis says. the founder of the moneysavingexpert website and the newsletter has many millions of followers who hang on his conclusions about how, yes, they should be saving money. the ft once dubbed him the most successful journalist in the world ever. he s called the current cost of living crisis shocking and scary and anxiety driving. and he warned at one stage that he was running out of tips to help people to get through it. martin lewis, welcome to political thinking. thank you. i m. can i speak straightaway? you can. of course, you can speak at any time. as a political man, i m going to get that that very last phrase. you said what i actually said technically, and i was talking about energy bills and the poorest and i said i am virtually out of tools. that was not an accidental phrase because in the room at the same time on the sunday morning show was rishi sunak. and i looked across at him when i said it. and it was very nuanced because obviously myj
sunak. and i looked across at him when i said it. and it was very nuanced because obviously myjob, there are many things that many people can do, but the difficulty right now is on energy bills and the poorest in society for whom there isn t much left. and it was, that was that was a baton throw, that was looking at the chancellor and saying, money saving is out. this is yourjob, mate. this is yourjob, not myjob. so that was that was not an accidental throwaway phrase. that was a deliberate, nuanced political challenge. we spoke to a former director of communications at number 10 who said martin lewis is one of the most influential people in britain. is that a label you would relish? it makes me want to vomit. yeah, because i don t think any time you think of yourself like that, itjust makes you scared. and i have to say, the last few years have been incredibly scary on a personal basis. first, with the pandemic,