michael j. fox shows up in a time machine. >> trump is a totally reasonable guy, as long as he gets exactly what he wants, 100% of the time. >> don't i wish i were debating him. i just got caught in the rain. i'm soaking wet, how does my hair look. is it okay? >> i wish you were in high school. could i take him behind the gym. >> remember folks, it's a rigged system. just remember, it's a rigged system. don't ever forget it. >> i have now spent four and a half hours on stage with donald, proving once again i have the stamina to be president. >> this is the last word on campaign 2016. donald trump's current wife is imr incapable of composing or delivering a campaign speech for her husband, which would be no big deal, that would be okay. i wouldn't even mention it, if
donald trump didn't decide that today was the day he would attack president obama's wife for her speech making. >> we have a president, all he wants to do is campaign, his wife, all she wants to do is campaign. and i see how much his wife likes hillary, but wasn't she the one that originally started the statement, if you can't take care of your home? right? you can't take care of the white house or the country? where's that? i don't hear that. i don't hear that. she's the one that started that. i said, we can't say that. it's too vicious. can you believe it? i said that. we can't -- they said, well, michelle obama said it. i said, she did? >> donald trump was trying to pretend that michelle obama said that about hillary clinton during the first obama presidential campaign when the obamas were campaigning against hillary clinton. here is what michelle obama
actually said in atlantic, iowa, in 2007. one of the most important things that we need to know about the next president of the united states is, is he somebody that shares our values? is he somebody that respects family? is he a requestgood and decent ? if you can't run your own house, you can't run the white house. we've adjusted our schedules so that while he's traveling around, i do day trips. i get up, get the girls ready and get them off. i'm home before bedtime, so the girls know that i was gone somewhere, but they don't care. they just know that i was at home to tuck them in at fight, and -- night, and it keeps them grounded. and the kids in our country need to know that they come first, and our girls do. that's why we're doing this. we're in this race for not just our children but for all of our children. donald trump boasted that he had nothing to do with the raising
of his children, that he wouldn't even take them for walks in the park, nothing. so you could read that quote to donald trump all day, what michelle obama said, you could read it to him, and he would never understand it. he wouldn't understand that michelle obama was talking about barack obama and michelle obama and their children. and the children of america. he's incapable of understanding what words mean. the latest nbc wall street journal poll seems to indicate that most americans understand michelle obama. 59% have a favorable view of michelle obama, making her the most popular political name in the poll. donald trump was the least popular, with a 29% favorable rating. and we have breaking news tonight about the first 100 days of the trump presidency. tomorrow, in gettysburg, pennsylvania, donald trump will
announce his agenda for the first 100 days, but if you're one of the lucky ones who gets fund raising e-mails from the trump campaign, you already have the 100 days agenda, because eric trump included it in tonight's round of begging for money for the fake billionaire who cannot afford to pay for his own presidential campaign. in addition to begging for money over and over again in the e-mail, the e-mail says this is what my father is determined to do in his first 100 days in office. this is what we're fighting for. we will appoint judges who will uphold our constitution, immediately negotiate better trade deals. change federal immigration rules and cancel numerous regulations to provide more high-paying jobs for our people. open up energy production to jump start our economy, and finally, repeal the obamacare disaster, to provide relief to american families.
and yes, that's right. i said finally. meaning that's it. that's the whole list. that's the trump first 100 days. so apparently, in the first 100 days, donald trump will not get around to making even a single phone call to mexico about paying for the wall. and, in the first 100 days, most muslims apparently will continue to pour into the country, because banning them, like the wall, is no longer a top trump priority. joining us now, elysse jordan, and crystal ball, former candidate for congress, democratic strategist and a senior fellow at the new leaders consul. the first 100 days doesn't have the biggest items that donald trump has pushed in his campaign. >> well, it's never been about policy for donald. it's kind of, it's a little bit shocking that at this stage in
the game he's actually trying to put policy out there, because it is something that undecided voters desperately want. they want to see that there's some substance. i've been going around to seven battleground states with a british polling company and doing these focus groups, and there are so many undecided voters who really want to vote for trump but he doesn't give them enough substance. he should have been doing this for the past six months. he's throwing out the half-hearted policy. >> he's going to go to gettysburg tomorrow. and someone in the audience is going to shout out "build the wall, build the wall", and then the wall's going to be on the 100-day agenda, and then it won't be written in the agenda, trump will go, oh, yeah, build the wall. >> when the election is over, he would go ahead and tell us what we do in his imaginary presidency. if you're looking for any logical consistency, he's lost the thread. this is a man who went on his
own convention stage and said i, alone, can knicfix the problems. this campaign has never been about issues. it's always been about donald trump. so it cracks me up when his surrogates come out and say we want to talk about the issues. they've never wanted to campaign on any sort of policy or issues. they've always wanted it to be a donald trump personality contest, and that's exactly what they got, and that's exactly why they're losing. >> a last minute to flail out some policy. >> you got to figure with all this talk of "it's hopeless", which has swept the media, like there really isn't a chance here. a 100-day agenda is like saying oh, look, there really is this dream. it's still alive. >> you could call it that, i guess. just like the transition team that's so hard at work. >> this 100-day agenda seriously. i don't know -- >> i want to hear he's going to build the wall. >> so, you know, he did that
horrible thing at the debate, where he just said, you know, such a nasty woman. just mutter. actually very deliberately got up to the mic and got it into the mic so we could all hear it. he apparently is not the only one who thought that. this republican brian babin. >> he called her a nasty woman. is that appropriate? >> you know what? she's saying some nasty things. >> do you think it's appropriate for him to call him a nasty woman? >> you know, i'm a genteel southerner. >> does that mean no? >> no, sometimes a woman needs to be told when she's being nasty. >> oh, really? >> i do. >> crystal? >> amazing. i think the gop at this point needs to realize that this is no longer about donald trump. it's not even about the senate or what happens in the house. they need to think about the long-term damage they are doing
with women for the future of this party. before trump there was a gender gap and an issue there, and now women across the country are looking at how they are enabling this serial sexual assaulter, groper, misogynist and going along with this kind of stuff. they're observing this, and they're not just ascribing it to donald trump. they're saying this whole party is against me. so i think the party as a whole needs to step back and take a look what their future is. you might be able to win without appealing to minorities, but you can't win without appealing to women. >> and someone in the trump campaign decided today was a good die start campaigning against michelle obama. because they have to give him this quote, this mangled quote, which is a misrepresentation of what she said. >> what you want to do right now -- >> right? >> yeah, exactly what i would advi advise him to do, go and
campaign against a really popular first lady who has built up such moral authority in the country for being a wonderful apparent. what i've heard from hard-core trump supporters they don't lsaa good father. he has that worst contrast of himself with michelle obama. >> there's michelle obama talking about as a mother, trying to manage that campaign and tuck her kids into bed every fig night, and donald trump tries to distort that. >> it's disgusting. there's this clip that goes around that's really nasty that if hillary can't satisfy her man how can she satisfy the country. that's on tee shirts at his rallies, to try to pull any shi -- michelle obama into that is horrifying. michael moore will be our
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president since 1964. he filled up a theater with republicans, democrats, independents and undecideds. >> if hillary clinton wins, if the women took over, and because they don't need us, so you know what this is going to lead to. there are going to be interment camps for men. and hillary will have all her, you know, wealthy students there with their clipboards, checking us into the interment camp. they've got to pick out a few to keep the species going. who are they going to pick? the smart ones and the good-looking ones. already i'm looking at the faces of the guys here, they already know they're in the camp. we're all in line. we're going to be in line there, you, you, you, you, oh, you. over here. >> joining us now for his first
interview about the new film michael moore, thank you very much for being here. boy, i love this movie. i love so much about this movie, including the little reference to the wellesley students checking in the interment camps. and there's hillary clinton at wellesley. and every detail is perfectly managed in this thing, but tell us about the concept. you decide you're going to go into the thick of it. you want to put everyone in the same room. you have republicans in this room, trump voters in this room. hillary voters, if you can find them, which isn't so easy in that territory. >> that's right. >> you have muslims in that room, mexicans in that room. and you have jokes about everyone in that room, and it seems like that's where the audience could feel a unity, was in the laughter. >> yeah, i've believed for a long time that humor is a great way to communicate.
it's also a great way to relieve that valve on the pressure cooker and relieve the anger. our best comedians are pretty angry people, and that's why their humor's so good, because it's the flip side of that anger. there's so much anger in the country right now. and i thought, i'm going to write this one-man show. i'm not going to take it to berkley or ann arbor. i'm going to perform it in a place where i'm going to feel very uncomfortable and where i'm probably going to need a lot of security. so i went to southern ohio. we went to one, we went to a county called licking county first. and we got a theater there, and the local republicans had an uprising and made the board kick me out, basically, ban me, so we couldn't put on the show. we had to quickly find another county that had a similar g demographic. we found clinton county, which
had four times as many people voting for trump. so 26,000 registered voters, and i think 1,000 plus voted in the democratic primary. that gives you a picture of what it looked like there. but it was, you know, it was really, when you watch this, you see at the beginning, you know, this probably, there's 700 people in the theater, and a good 100 of them are people who said they're voting for donald trump, and so they're like this. and, and. >> you can see in their reaction shots to some jokes. this guy's laughing. the guy right beside him is not, and looks like he's feeling the opposite of laughter at some moments. then he'll be laughing and the other won't. >> the humor had to be such that i didn't want them to leave. i was not there to make fun of them or attack them. in fact, there's a good seven-minute chunk where i acknowledge the anger of the former middle class that's
thinking of voting for donald trump, because he's their human molotov cocktail. so they get to throw that into the system. but i really, you see this, and gradually through the show, a lot of the more conservative people in the audience, they start laughing, and they half more. a lot, because a lot of them are laughing at us liberals, because there's a lot about us -- >> you do self-deprecating liberal humor. >> all true, too. but right away i tell the trump people, i've segregated the muslims and mexicans in the room and put them in their own section and during the show, we're going to build a wall around the mexican-americans in the audience. and the muslims, i got a drone that flies in the balcony over the muslim section to keep an eye on them. i'm just doing it to show you i'm willing to meet you halfway, and these muslims and mexicans have agreed to participate in this so you don't have to be worried. >> you've made the journey from ardent bernie backer to ardent
hillary clinton backer. >> well, i don't know if ardent is the right word. i am an unlikely messenger for hillary clinton. i think, now you've seep tn the movie. >> yes. >> would you agree, even though there was a guy that came out of the movie, i just did a q&a, he said, wow, you're more optimistic about hillary than hillary is optimistic about hillary. i said, well, i think these things i'm saying about her are not being said. and, but there's no way the clinton campaign will endorse this movie. >> right. >> as you now, because there are certain things i say and do in there that's like, you know. but that's okay, because i'm outlier to this. i'm not part of the clinton machine. i am a bernie voter, part of the bernie revolution. and i understand why ex-auto workers are upset, and when
donald trump says he's going to put a tariff on those cars built in mexico. and i understand why people say they're not going to vote, we're going to have one of the lowest turnouts, i get that, too, because we have two of the least-liked candidate the ever. if you are willing to understand that. there are people who hate hillary. i show them a way to actually vote for her and continue hating her while they're in the voting booth. >> if they need to. and you also echo bernie sanders. and publicly you have in terms of the movie, in terms of your advocacy of how to vote. you're saying what bernie sanders is saying. >> she's come so far toward bernie's positions in a way that i remember jesse jackson, michael dukakis did not adopt any of the positions. she's adopted two-thirds or more of the bernie platform. >> we've got to squeeze in a
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for the, it's done with such respect and grace. and god bless this man and i think, lawrence, there are thousands, tens of thousands of people just like him. this is not, khazir khan is not the only khazir khan. we live in a nation of these people. and they don't have tv shows. you know, they don't have a soapbox. but when we go to that place, when we remember that we are a country that went into the voting booth, not once but twice and elected a man, and said right on the ballot, it said barak hussain obama. and we did that, twice. that's who we are. we get, you know, people from other countries, i'm sure you've had this, what is this trump? people, he does not represent the vast american public. the american people are good people. at their core. at the core, at the core of
khazir khan, that's who we are, and i think, i hope that's what will happen on election day. the problem here is this. while i believe that, and while i believe people can vote at home on their remote controls and x box, hillary would win in a landslide. but it's about who's going to get out to vote not on the first tuesday of november, but on the second tuesday, which is called winter in michigan and ohio and pennsylvania. so there's going to be maybe not a very large turnout. and the candidate with the rabid supporters is the one who's going to have the turnout. so people need to take this very seriously. a lot of hillary voters are feeling relieved. she's won three debates, ahead in the polls. you should look at that nbc poll in tonight. state of ohio, 45/35. 45-45. for not just ohio, that's the way you have, if you are relaxed. if your shoulders are relaxed,
thank god, trump's imploding again, if that's the way you are thinking, you are helping to elect donald trump. >> it also means you have not been to ohio. >> and i amt telling you. people in ohio are good people, but they need some outreach. and down at the theater here where i'm showing the movie the other night, people signing up, taking a bus load of people to pennsylvania next weekend, mostly students to go knocking on doors. this is, the actual work has to happen. everybody has to bring five people to the polls with them. because don't think it can't happen. you and i are old enough to know, a man named tricky dick was elected not once but twice. then america elected a b actor whose co-star was a chimpanzee, then w. the state of minnesota, one of the smartest states in the
country voted a wrestler. this is the country we live in. don't take this for granted. everybody who thought jennifer hudson was going to win on "american idol" and it turned out fantasia won? where is fantasia today? do not sit back and go oh, hillary's not got it in the bag. no problem. if you are doing an end zone dance on the 50 yard line, which is where we're at today, then you are helping to elect donald trump. >> six years of this show, only one person has mentioned the love boat and fantasia together in the same answer. that's a record. >> this is why i'm here. >> that's why i'm here. >> and i will come back and have more cultural references for you like that. >> thank you, really, really appreciate it. >> thank you. >> the movie is number one on itunes and it's been on itunes for hours. >> just for hours. this thing has taken off. the theater just told me downtown, we set a record there
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rubio for florida's senate seat. >> i will say, i'm even more confused by republican politicians who still support donald trump. marco rubio is one of those people. how does that work? how can you call him a con artist and dangerous and object to all the controversial things he says and then say, but i'm still going to vote for him? come on, man. that's not the leadership you need. that's why you got to vote for patrick murphy. >> joining us now, congressman patrick murphy of florida. congressman murphy, the latest quinnipiac poll in florida show the marco rubio up 49, you at 47. that is a tie within the margin
of error, but there are reports tonight that the democratic senate campaign committee is pulling back on financial support for your campaign. why would that be happening if you're running so close in the polls? >> well, look, lawrence, we're excited and confident that we're going to have the resources to went this election. the momentum is behind us. and i'm very confident that the more people who look at the difference between senator rubio and myself, the easier this election's going to be. senator rubio made it clear he doesn't want this job. he doesn't like the job. he's got the worst voting attendance record in nearly 50 years. i'm proud of my accomplishments in the house. i want to work across the aisle to get things done for the people of florida. proud of my 97% voting record. he's being sponsored by the koch brothers and others, giving him millions and millions of dollars per week. as you just said in that poll, we are neck and neck in a
toss-up race against senator rubio, and i'm very confident we're going to win this election. >> we've seen a lot of extraordinary newspaper endorsements because of donald trump. miami herald is doing that in your race. they endorsed new this race, marco rubio for this seat last time around. this time, they said mr. trump's candidacy is a test of character. and senator rubio is failing that test. i just wanted to run some video of marco rubio explaining that if he makes it back to the senate, he will actually be working in opposition to a president trump if there is a president trump. let's listen to this. >> i don't agree donald and the nominee of my party on many issues, so i imagine on certain issues, if he's elected, you're going to have congressional republicans who are going to be push being the country potential any a different direction than a republican president. >> what's your reaction to that,
congressman murphy. >> as i said in a debate. if you can't stand up to donald trump as a senator, there's no way you can stand up to him as a president. here he is endorsing him. if that's not bad enough, he doubled down on his endorsement of donald trump after it's clear that donald trump is a sexual predator. and marco rubio stands by his side, despite all of that? showing he will continue to put his own political ambition in front of what's best for florida. and that's what frustrates so many voters and floridianflorid. >> thank you very much for joining us on this busy campaign day for you. really appreciate it. >> thank you. up next. what's going to happen the day after the election? if donald trump loses, will his supporters take to the streets? with their guns, maybe? to try to take back the government? will they try for what they call
a second amendment solution to the rigged election? i'll tell you why i think you will have nothing to be afraid of in this country the day after the election. that's next. ♪ ♪ ♪ look out honey... the highly advanced audi a4. ♪ ♪ ain't got time to make no apologies... ♪
far he has spent $56 million, which is really a tiny amount of money for a real billionaire to spend on a presidential campaign. one of the many reasons i never thought donald trump would run for president is that i've always known that he couldn't afford it. i've always said that he's not a real billionaire, and running for president costs $1 billion. president obama spent $1.1 billion on his last campaign. mitt romney spent just over $1 billion on the last republican presidential campaign. there's 17 days left in the campaign, and donald trump still hasn't spent anything close to $100 million of his own money. and he always claimed that if he ran tfor president he would nevr have to raise any money and would just spend his own. and he continued to claim that after he announced his candidacy. >> i'm using my own money. i'm funding my campaign. by the way, i'm self-funding my campaign. i'm self-funding, putting up my
own money, folks. >> donald trump's most ar depde followers no longer believe him about self-financing his campaign. they now know he was lying about that. and he reminds them that he was lying about that every single day. in their e-mail inboxes, every day, they get constant reminders from donald trump himself, that he was lying to them about being able to pay for his own presidential campaign. donald trump begs them for money, every day. here's what he sent them the day after the debate. friend, last night it was us against the world, and we won. we showed the world that our country can once again be run by the american people not with special interests, not the h lobbyists. today is our opportunity to show the media, to show hillary, to show the world what's coming on november 8.
please make a contribution to help us surge in the polls after last night's debate. we must cut through the noise to deliver our message straight to the american voter. the future of our country depends upon it. please make a contribution . thank you donald trump. if the future of our country depends upon it, why wouldn't super man save us with his own money? why wouldn't donald trump shell out one of his many billions to pay for his presidential campaign? because he can't afford it. because he's not a billionaire. he's just a poor little millionaire. and his most devoted followers know that. if you've lived long enough, someone you love has lied to you. friend, a son, a daughter. boyfriend. parent, wife, husband.
that kind of lie hurts. it hurts so much that we don't want to face it. some of us then try to pretend that we weren't lied to. some of us do all sorts of things to try to avoid facing that we've been lied to. and you can see trump voters going through that all the time. if you've been lied to about something that is central to your relationship to that person, one of the foundational building blocks of your love for that person, something happens to the relationship when you discover that lie. >> you are the problem. >> can i ask you something? >> you are the problem. >> of all of the candidates, name one who had a $1 million judgment against him. >> name one -- >> donald trump -- >> self-funded. >> imagine how that guy feels tonight. donald trump is self-funded. most important thing he wanted to say about donald trump that day to ted cruz.
now he knows that donald trump was lying to him. about being self-funded. he gets an e-mail about that lie every day. he might try to rationalize it somehow if he was talking to ted cruz about it again or to a clinton supporter, but deep down, in his heart, he knows that one of the things he loved most about donald trump, the thing he loved most about donald trump was a lie. how do you think that guy's going to feel the day after the election if donald trump loses? you think he's going to grab a gun and run into the streets and join a revolutionary war for donald trump? you think he's going to start rioting? i don't. i think he's going to think that the liar he voted for, for president this time, lost again. in my experience, talking to trump supporters out there in the country, whenever i mention an obvious lie that donald trump
tells, they always say the same thing, every one of them says the same thing. they all lie. all politicians lie. that's their defense of donald trump lying. their defense is not donald trump doesn't lie. their defense is that they all lie. all politicians lie. most republicans think donald trump is lying when he says that all the women who've accused him of sexual assault are liars. only 23% of republicans think donald trump probably has not made unwanted sexual advances toward women. trump voters know donald trump's a liar. they're not going to go to war for a liar. if donald trump doesn't concede defeat when the votes are counted. >> as i hope he doesn't, he will leave a very clear marker for historians that he was unlike any other candidate in our history. if he doesn't concede defeat, he
will not do any harm to american democracy, american democracy does not need donald trump's approval. american democracy is enshrined in a constitution stronger than any of the walls in washington. it is not made of granite. it is made of words. words written by men who were wiser than donald trump. words that are now upheld today by women and men who are wiser than donald trump and stronger than donald trump. i want donald trump to continue to behave as consistently as possible with who he actually is. i don't want him to try to pretend that he is not a racist or not a sexist or not someone who brags about sexual assault. i don't want him to pretend that he has any of the decency of all of the men who have come before
him, the men who came in second in the race for the presidency. i want him to permanently separate himself from them, in history, by refusing to concede defeat, by being the sorest loser in the history of american politics. if donald trump refuses to admit defeat and calls for arms for voters to take to the streets with or without their guns to take back their government, trump voters won't do it. the day after the election, win or lose, trump voters will take their kids to school, they will go to their jobs, pay their rent, pay their mortgages, get on with their lives and ignore everything donald trump says, including the e-mail that they are sure to get from donald trump begging for money to pay
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forgotten he was going to break the north korean sanction news there was so much other stuff. he spoke to reporters before he even got to the event. and i see what you mean about dliewght the message. juan, what was most offensive part of the speech? >> juan: seven years to go. [laughter] for an old man you are risking a heart attack. >> dana: are you going to make it? >> juan: seven years to go. the cpac audience went wild. so this was a rally. that's what i thought it was going to be and i think his staff thought it was going to be something about increasing sanctions on north korea. as you say, he has kind of got to it at the very end. but as an after thought. he was far more interested in to pick up on the steak house analogy of throwing out the chunks of red meat everywhere he turned. i was surprised that he was throwing out chunks though that had to do with things like democrats abandon daca. i'm the one who cares. wait a minute, he is the one who ended daca and set this
march deadline. now he finds himself in a situation the deadline is approaching and he has got nothing. and the democrats are willing to take a risk. i hope they are having a little more spine than they did last time when schumer backed out on that budget deal. and then this business about lock her up. jesse, it just seems to me like, you know, what would you say, greg, i said a 1970s hit. do you know what i mean? we have been through that. but he still. >> greg: it's his free bird. >> kimberly: oldy but a goody. classic rock. >> jesse: snake. >> juan: it's like he is going back. he needs a hillary. he needs an obama. because he just needs somebody to be -- >> jesse: kimberly, i think every politician has a boogie man out there, whether it's at home or abroad that they use to score points against. and hillary continues to be out there in the conversation. so why not take a shot? >> juan: she lost. >> jesse: say that again,
that's human psychology one-on-one. he was explaining why you lose in two years in a way at people at home understands. oh, it's so much work you already won. that's the best so persuasive, i think. you are looking at me like i'm from out of space. >> juan: this looks how unprepared is he for the job. never been a congressman and senator or governor. oh this is really hard. who knew healthcare could be so complicated? to me this is subject of ridicule. >> greg: at least that's honest. >> juan: honest, oh my gosh. >> dana: working on policies good foreve for our opponents. may not realize those policies are good for them but we are doing it anyway. i thought that was effective. >> jesse: said a few nice things he said about keeping his promise. he bragged obviously, the only politician that's actually kept more promises than he made during the campaign. but when you look back,
besides the wall, a lot of the stuff he has delivered on and the audience really enjoyed that. >> kimberly: they did. he is a man of the people even though he is a new york billionaire. he's relatable because his language, his rhetoric isn't like floury. flowery. it's down to earth. something for everybody there this is my guy. he is not trying to talk above me. not trying to talk around me. making me feel like i'm here for you. we have got things in common. i'm getting it done. that's like a reassuring feeling. it's not like the typical politician where you go i can't relate to that person at all. >> juan: can i play skunk at the garden party for a second? >> kimberly: be yourself. i can smell from here. >> juan: i think he promised to do away with obamacare. >> jesse: mandate is gone. the mandate is long gone, juan. >> juan: obamacare is real
scott walkner johnson thinking about getting out. infrastructure. i don't see any infrastructure spending, no. >> jesse: if democrats could come to the table, juan, you would actually get some infrastructure. >> juan: how about i promise to cut the deficit. the minute i get in there e oh. >> jesse: just wind isis off the map. how about that promise. >> greg: amazing democrats care about a deficit and trump did that for them. what kimberly and dana and juan says the presentation is an old school populist. gets up there and he is tell you this is what we are going to do when you pull back the reason we have disagreements all of you was do. almost everything he does is common sense centrism. he talk presidency enforced border and 1.7 million people. talks about gun talking about popular proactive solutions that some the nra might not like. tax reform, if people think
that really helped the rich, they're wrong. >> dana: can i add one other thing he did today it wasn't in the cpac speech but in his press conference with martin turnbull. he talked briefly but it was interesting insight into that he is getting the briefings and he understands what's happening in syria. and he said it was disgraceful. 250 innocent people that we know of were killed targeted by russians and syrians and we have a huge mess on our hands there the one thing that's a little bit difficult to understand is he says that but also in the same speech or in the preference he says, you know, we have degraded isis. we have taken over their territory and we're out of there. that is not sustainable. both of those things cannot be true u going forward in a second year of a presidency your foreign policy pieces get really important and little bit difficult to deal with. >> jesse: absolutely right. >> juan: before we go, it's kind of a serious note there are stories now that indicate that the russians
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still inside the building? >> yes, he was. >> and what should he have done? >> went in. addressed the killer. killed out killer. >> how much time went by that he did not go in that he could have gone in? >> minutes, minutes. i think it was upwards -- i think he remained outside of upwards of four minutes. >> what would you say to the family. >> devastated, sick to my stomach. there are no words. >> kimberly: president trump also had words about that officer today. >> he whole life example. when it came time to get in there and do something, he didn't have the courage or something happened. he heard it right at the beginning. so he certainly did a poor job. that's the case where somebody was outside. they're trained. they didn't react properly under pressure or they were a coward. it was a real shot to the police department. >> kimberly: the president addressing, obviously everybody devastated.
can you imagine the family members and -- these poor students that were murdered to think my god, you could have done something if you reacted. how many lives could have you saved? what could have you done but, instead you stood and tried to protect yourself instead of trying to save others, which is your duty? >> greg: there is a couple of elements to this whole story that are just infuriating. and it makes me infuriated at sheriff israel because he said there are no words. but when he was up at that town hall, he had a lot of words for dana loesch. there were 18 calls from people about this guy. there were nearly 40 home visits. two tips to the fbi. you found out scott peterson had warnings passed on to him about this mad man before. this the fbi tip was pretty incredible. said the guy was going to explode. then have you sheriff israel deflect -- trying to get the audience at that town hall to focus on dana loesch. and like this wouldn't have happened if it wasn't for guns, guns, guns.
meanwhile, if he is aware of all of this stuff. >> dana: what about him? >> greg: this guy has got to go. this is like -- this is -- i mean, scott peterson, who knows what happens when this moment comes, do you freeze, if he freeze, he did have prior knowledge about this. and their job for the police is they have to be the first one in there. they rush in so we can run away. and he didn't do it. >> kimberly: yet others that had no weapon rushed in to try to. >> greg: rotc guys. >> kimberly: rushed in and tried to save the coach and others rushed in and had nothing to defend or protect themselves. unbelievable to me. dana? >> dana: like a fire firefighter saying i'm not going in that burning house to save somebody. hang out out here. the thing that also bothers me about that sheriff. i didn't say anything on the day publicly, but he was so infuriating about and offputting thanking all of
the first responders answered went through all of them. and did you such a good job. you did such a good job. and every single press conference for three days is great how everybody else had done. in the meantime whether they didn't know about this until recently or trying to cover it up is so devastating for the family. >> just that point i think it was jake tapper tweeted some information that they -- like deliberately egg northward the people that actually got there first. it was another county of officers. >> allegedly there was another police department that had gotten there first and did a lot in terms of first responding. and the sheriff israel kind of ignored that. he is a very political guy. he seems to be a real operator where you don't want that. you want more law enforcement. i have seen pictures of him smiling with hillary, smiling with bernie sanders. you know, i'm not accusing him of anything, that's not what i -- out of a sheriff, i just want a straight shooter. i have a few words for him. he said i have no words. how about i'm sorry? how about we failed. i would have liked to hear a
little accepting responsibility with his deputy that didn't do his job. >> kimberly: he should go. >> jesse: he should go. when they found out that this guy was derelict. they just suspended him. they didn't even really fire him. you probably can't even fire someone. and now the guy retires with full benefits. the fact that state, local and federal agencies all failed. yet all the sudden they want to blame the nra makes no sense to me here. >> kimberly: okay, juan? >> juan: i thought he was trying to blame the fbi. >> jesse: the fbi should accept some blame, too they have more than the sheriff. >> juan: let me just say it's so easy to blame someone else. you think about it, jesse, almost a million calls. a million calls. they have got to pick a needle out of that haystack. that can be difficult especially when you are dealing with laws in florida. today a lookout of discussion about this so-called baker act which allows you to involuntarily take somebody and commit them because you see them as a trust danger to themselves or danger to others.
well, apparently, psychiatric officials had contact with this young man but couldn't pass that threshold. and that threshold can be pretty tough. and i would think that conservatives would say yeah, we don't want people just somehow bad mouthing us or saying stuff about us and taking away either our guns or our liberty. >> jesse: i would think those people who evaluated him are probably feeling pretty bad about that right now. >> juan: i don't know. i think though on the guns part. i think back to columbine. i think to aurora. i think to what the president said today in light of what happened with the guard here in parkland, in every case, there was an armed guard. it didn't stop anything. >> greg: aurora was a gun-free zone. i think it's going to be hard politically for liberals to watch if donald trump outflanks them on this issue and actually comes up with the practical solutions that they claimed that they wanted but haven't put through. >> kimberly: bad news for
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olympics. use her visit for maximum pressure on the north. so, jesse, turning off the heat. >> jesse: ratcheting up. i like how the trump administration has slowly delivered stronger and stronger sanctions without letting the north know there is a phase ii. maybe there is a phase 3. how many phases are there going to be the way a python squeezes its prey very slowly over period of time. >> greg: for a frog in a pot of water slowly boiled. >> jesse: apropos. you have ivanka trump coming with the soft power glitz and gram. >> dana: substance too. [laughter] >> jesse: not as substantive as the gun ships encircling the peninsula. i think it's carrot and stick. >> dana: juan, one of the things interesting about the timing of the announcement is when vice president pence was headed to the olympics, he made some very strongly worded speeches about north korea and being tough.
knew what happened at the opening ceremony. ivanka trump is going for the closing ceremony. the head military intel guy from north korea is also going to the closing ceremony. and so i think it was a strategic move to put these sanctions out today as she is landing in south korea. >> juan: well, i'm not sure what's going on because, remember, they cancelled the meeting -- they thought pence was going to have a meeting. they cancelled that meeting at the last moment. now, there is no such prospect for ivanka trump. there is no such meeting scheduled. she will have, i think it's dipper or something with the south korean president. >> dana: yeah, tomorrow. >> juan: at his residence. the big event will be closing night for the closing ceremonies. you will have the two of them. ms. perino complained last time about vice president pence's seating tell us why. >> dana: i did. because i felt they put him in a bad position. i would have advocated for a different seating arrangement. >> juan: the question is now they can be seated.
president trump is not there so we won't have to worry about the bald spot. >> dana: that's a small little thing. >> juan: they are not going to talk. the question is how it comes across. i think it's a lot of symbolism that she is there representing the president very much his number one child. >> dana: sanctions, kimberly we must have some idea the intelligence communities must know north korea hasn't tried to stop its nuclear program at all. >> kimberly: of course, right. they are getting realtime intelligence on this and updates as they should. they have to monitor it very closely. they are obviously receiving information showing they are not in compliance and therefore these kind of actions need to be taken. i like the fact that look we are being very well represented by ivanka trump. she is going there. and the president was obviously very proud of her to represent the country so i think that was nice. i'm glad that he sent his daughter. i think that's symbolic. send a strong woman over there. represent the country. while at the same time putting the fist to north
korea. >> dana: greg, had you a good point in the commercial break. it's a new cold war tactic. old tactic for the new cold war? >> greg: declaring war on companies not just the country we have to go after the chinese banks which is going to be an issue. if i wanted to walk across the studio, but each step -- each successive step became half the length of the previous step, i would never reach the wall. do you know that? that's what these sanctions are there is an endless spectrum of intensity. and the hope is that you never reach the wall, which is the war. so the point is you have -- we hear this is the biggest one yet. each one will always be the biggest one yet. >> jesse: i like my python analogy better. >> greg: i was mad you took the python one. that's what the snake poem was about. i'm certain if we do go to war with north korea we will win because have you seen how they march? they can't get very far that
way. >> dana: like they are taking half a step back. >> greg: very slow, right, juan? juan juan if i'm living in south korea or japan i'm thinking yeah you might not get hurt but what about else? >> greg: i know. i was trying to make a serious topic a little lighter. i failed, america. >> dana: we'll keep going on some serious topics. california is in president trump's crosshairs again. you will find out why next. ♪ try to get it while we can ♪ names in a tattoo ♪ or just a number on a hand ♪e or make me feel like i'm not really "there." talk to your doctor, and call 844-234-2424. that's it!girl! get it, woo, yeah! mom! my game's over. parents aren't perfect, but then they make us kraft mac & cheese and everything's good again.
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and the protection of these horrible criminals in california and other places. but in california that if we ever pulled our ice out. if we ever said hey, let california alone. let them figure it out for themselves, in two months they would be begging for us to come back. they would be begging and you know what? i'm thinking about doing it. >> juan: democrat dianne feinstein fired back saying the president's obsession with california is growing more outrageous by the day. his attacks are, quote patently false. kimberly? >> kimberly: yeah. i think it's kind of funny. is that bad? >> juan: no, no. >> kimberly: he gets upset about this. he doesn't like california and a lot of the politicians pon aggressive against him. they want to sue him about the wall and environmental reasons. they are upset because they feel they don't like his immigration policy. this is essentially the birthplace, the capital of sanctuary cities, right, with san francisco and the crimes that have happened. so they are a state that's
very vocal and critical about the president, his policies. what he has been able to accomplish and what he is intending to accomplish like building the wall. so, because of that, they get his focus and attention. so he says things like that that perhaps not, you know, something that you would like to hear. but this is his personality. this is who he is. >> juan: wow, that was interesting. i mean you don't totally agree? >> i didn't say that i'm explaining to you where is he coming from based on the relationship which is a little bit complicated and has not been quite receptive. it's not his state. >> juan: so should chicago and philly be on the watch for a trump pay back? >> it's possible. i don't think it's an empty threat. you could hear the anger in his voice. he is very frustrated with california. california and the trump administration on a collision course. we are going to get a crash course in federalism if this continues. they have gone after him as they said on environmental on illegal immigration. on judges.
a travel ban a few times. >> kimberly: ninth circuit. >> jesse: makes for entertaining discourse. at the same time california has been mismanaged by liberals. they have been run by liberals for decades. they are broke. there is a very high crime rate. homeless population is out of control. a lot of depend dense on the government there all they have is weather, great food, and great land scaption. so to make california out to be this paragon of virtue. it's just not drew. someone else should come in and take charge there because i mean, if it keeps going the way it's going we might not have a lot of the beautiful parts of california anymore. >> juan: just a quick question. short on time. silicon valley, hollywood? >> jesse: amazing parts of california, juan, not everyone lives like hollywood and silicon valley. >> juan: pretty successful. their economy is pretty amazing to me. anyway, dana, jerry brown, current governor of california, signed a california values act that
forbids local authorities from asking about immigration status. this was back in december so it would seem that the president is putting it to jerry brown. i'm going to take away your ice agents or you undo that law. >> dana: right. if the president is spit ballinblowing ideas told by chif counsel actually sir you are not allowed to do that it doesn't necessarily matter from a communications standpoint he is trying to make his case. can constantly go back and said i would have taken them out of there. they deserves it i had to keep them. in becomes rhetorical device. it does send a strong message and other states would probably take a second look and wants to back away from the hot stove. >> juan: so we have two california people on this panel. one of them is greg gutfeld. >> greg: that's correct. thank you for noticing that every option on the table. why captains we use nukes? what's the problem with using nukes? and why can't we build a wall?
you brought up california as a californian, it's depressing to me because i loved growing up there. it was the best -- probably the best time to live in california was during the 1970s. it was fantastic. it was this -- it was great. it was cheap. now it's not. i can't live there. but now. >> jesse: you can't afford it. >> kimberly: new york is really inexpensive. >> greg: california is in a crappy situation literally. san francisco i believe spent something like $30 million cleaning up homeless feces and syringes. >> kimberly: it wasn't like that when i was first lady. >> greg: ever watched that show called my 600-pound life? california is that person. it's too big to move. so everyone else is moving. everyone is leaving. silicon valley in hollywood. you are talking about the ultimate example in economic inequality. stockton right now is going to an act of universal based income because people they don't know how to deal with people not having jobs.
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i could have been in a lot of trouble. >> kimberly: got your dad in trouble right now. >> dana: no statute of limitations in new york. >> jesse: it wasn't in new york. >> greg: i'm going to do a search. juan? >> juan: one thing that stands out in my mind, i once had an editor who used to just ride me. >> jesse: come on, keep it clean. >> juan: when i said ride you can do better. come o, come on. you can be an astronaut. what are you doing? and i remember thinking that's a wake-up call. take advantage. >> greg: tough bosses are good. i have always said that kimberly. >> jesse: usually are space spaced. >> kimberly: indeed. i don't know. i'm trying to think of something really really really good. i don't know that i have something really really good. but like thoughtful acts in general? >> greg: someone very kind to you you will never forget. like a short talk show host who might have lent you some food when you were hungry.
>> kimberly: so dana. [laughter] but i think of nice things. i thought of right away because i have been super into them and missing them like when dana will give me little presents like my chocolate. >> dana: edwin marks chocolate. >> kimberly: salted caramels and for no reason and little things. >> dana: oh, yeah. >> greg: kindest thing kimberly told me yesterday the producers are scared of me. i went upstairs and asked my staff for the g.g. show. have you ever heard anybody saying in like that? one of the producers from the five described you as very difficult and used the d. word. >> jesse: woe. >> greg: diva. this is the whole side of this i had never experienced like me. >> dana: kindest thing. >> greg: am i difficult? >> jesse: you don't know you are difficult?
>> kimberly: you don't know that you are. >> greg: i'm the easiest person in the world. >> kimberly: you are totally insane. you are also very quirky. you also have a lot of issues with your, you know, gas astro intestinal high pro-con drhypochondria. >> greg: i just want to do things. >> jesse: you don't know you are difficult? >> greg: this is all going back to the fact i have two one more things i did them faster than you guys do your one. >> kimberly: you do it regularly and they are afraid to stand up to you to go hey. >> juan: can't fault him on self-awareness. >> greg: i'm never going to forget. this it was very helpful to know what people think but all i'm saying. >> kimberly: i'm the thought 68 one by pointing out your -- >> greg: having never been to new york city. what is the one thing you would advise a first-time tourist to do.
oh, that's so tempting. all right, kimberly. >> kimberly: here? >> greg: yes. >> kimberly: i think like going to broadway in new york is a very quintessential. >> greg: boo. i'm saying boo but go ahead. >> kimberly: experience. >> greg: juan? >> juan: walk. this is a great city for walking. >> kimberly: the park. >> juan: walk among the billions. the towers. it's incredible place. and if you want to go down to the world trade center and look at the new world trade center is pretty attractive. times square awesome. go up town and to like to the tombs and so forth. this is amazing. go to the churches. man, i tell you what, there are architectural wonders to god in this city. >> greg: what about you, jesse? >> jesse: i would say come right outside of fox and wave to us as we are doing the show right there and then wait for dana and greg to leave and give them big hugs as they leave the
studio. they love that they absolutely love that. >> greg: love big hugs especially if you are really big and crush our spines. dana? >> dana: i would say central park has off leash hours from 6:00 a.m. to 9:00 a.m. >> greg: what about the dogs? >> dana: go to the park and can you see all the fun that the dogs are having and have a nice walk around. >> kimberly: then you can wish you were a dog. >> dana: that's going to be in a guide book. can you come to me for the real stuff. >> greg: what i would advise first-time tourists to do hail a new york city cab. get in, go to the airport and get the hell out of here. go to some place sunny. and some place nice. don't come to new york. it's overrated. deign danel i love it. >> jesse: mayor gutfeld. >> greg: yes. one more thing is up next. ♪ milky way bar ♪ wherever you are ♪ real milk chocolate ♪ chewy caramel.
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producers when they say one more thing. i do one more thing. >> juan: that's very good about you. talk about a hail mary. you know i love sports. here's the head master of a catholic school dressed about to perform a basketball miracle. take a look. yes. look at this, he gets on his knees, i'm telling you, a lot of nba players will be pointing to the heavens after that shot. the video gone viral. game over. three points for the head master. >> kimberly: that's so cool. >> greg: nice shot. knicks need to sign him. >> kimberly: i have a very sweet one more thing about a very special little girl. her name is charlotte. she's 9 years old. and she has a big heart and a lot of talent. she's started her own company called "stitches by charlotte" and she creates customized dolls for children undergoing medical procedures and surgeries. and her inspiration came from her own experiences because she had to go four different
surgeries to correct a cleft, lip and palate. she has on-line crowd funding and already raised $50,000. she's very grateful for everything, it means she can bring more smiles to young patients going through procedures. i think it's very, very sweet what she's doing. charlotte gold is her name. >> jesse: speaking of dolls, dana? >> dana: how nice! charlotte gold was actually on "the daily briefing" and i had a picture marking the 100th episode of that 2:00 show "the daily briefing." thank you. i mean -- >> greg: just three months. >> dana: not that big of deal. >> greg: three months and one week. i don't care anymore! your opinions mean nothing to me. >> jesse: thank you. for two more things -- >> greg: go ahead, i'm sorry. >> dana: that's all i had. >> jesse: she had one. >> greg: i only have one one more thing and i have 90 seconds. >> kimberly: you've been shamed into behaving. >> greg: i'll do a very slow one
more thing. >> dana: going to miss the news. >> greg: tomorrow night 10:00 p.m. we got lieutenant colonel alan west. always entertaining. we have federalist payton. it will be very exciting and we'll talk about guns and this latest news about the police officers which is spreading around and other stuff, too. >> jesse: actually only have one. >> greg: there's something else. you want to do another facebook question? >> dana: can i just say something, though, about your twofers. you do them fast. people love the animal videos and things like that. i think you can keep doing those. >> greg: i'm not doing anything anymore. i'll go to my room and listen to my albums. >> jesse: do less, greg. journal. they hurt your feelings. >> kimberly: eight part one more thing. >> greg: one who needs to do
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okay, this person is trying to move a conversation in this direction for this purpose. so it seems a little obscure, i don't understand where are they're trying to go. >> is it a pr strategy or is it a legal strategy? >> is he a lawyer or a spokesman -- >> we have michael avenatti, lanny davis and rudy giuliani out there just talking away. i don't think any of them are actually coming up with a cohesive legal strategy for what they need to do because they want to win the pr battle. >> lan ny is not allowed to talk. >> whatever we're talking about now, i have a feeling robert mueller has already been over that. >> but rudy giuliani is acting like a squirming coil an going all over the place. he's saying donald trump never hacked the dnc. no one ever claimed that.
he's also saying that donald trump didn't attending t the me with russians. take a listen to what else he said. >> this russian meeting, he wasn't there. he wasn't at the meeting. he did not participate in any meeting about the russia transaction. >> the president. >> the president did not. >> what russia transaction? >> no one ever alleged any of the things he's talking about. >> no, but is there a transaction? is there now a transaction? >> the whole campaign, you know that, this is just donald trump via -- channeling through rudy giuliani. >> but doesn't this make it so that the senate judiciary committee or the senate intel committee will have more reason to say, you know what, i've got to get all these people pack in front of us and only extend the investigation and the news around the investigation within the senate. slow things up for the rest of the legislative season? >> i don't think so. >> no? >> feinstein wants to see him, don junior. >> they don't have the majority and so don't set the rules.
i think republicans think we need to just move on from this because this is what we've been doing for almost two years now. so i don't think this sparks some sort of new -- >> but when the pressure starts to build and it's out there, out there, out there, and there's denials and contradictions, it's hard -- >> but the senate has been so respected in how it's handled it. the house has been a mess. >> i'm not talking about the house. i'm talking about the senate. it hasn't seemed to be as partisan as the house has. wouldn't you think if contradictions keep coming up and there are real questions about who said what and who may have been lying, at some point they'll be pushed to ask more? >> i think they can say we want to wait until we see what the findings of robert mueller is. >> they also have a responsibility to -- we need to know all of the facts around the collusion or potential collusion and what the russians did and who helped them because there
wasn't voter targeting or targeting without some of that data potentially. so i think that it's an all connected story where the senate does have a role and they have a responsibility and obligation to the american public to ensure integrity in our elections. >> i agree with both of you which is going to be hard because you're saying contradictory things. i think they are connected stories and they are connected questions, but the senate judiciary -- the investigative committees are going to say, listen, we went out to determine whether russia interfered in the 2016 election. they did. we've said that. it's unambiguous. the intelligence community is unambiguous in its view that russia colluded in the election. yes, all these figures are saying different things which is good because we have a federal investigation going by bob mueller and he's going to come to a conclusion of his own. we've done what we wanted to do and determined russia had an influence. >> and if they bring in those other people -- >> people have compared this cyber attack to the attack of
9/11 and that was an independent commission which resulted in actual readout of actions that the government could take. >> but it couldn't potentially interfere and that's a difference between 9/11 and the commission they set up. this investigation right now, robert mueller, first of all, i think a lot of people in the senate both sides of the aisle want to see it come out. second of all, if the senate starts doing other work that can potentially interfere with that investigation, that's problematic to the senate. >> let's go back to rudy giuliani and denying things that nobody has alleged, and then also just contradicting himself in the span of a couple of hours. listen to him first on cnn and then on fox talking about a strategy meeting that nobody had reported until today. nobody has reported still in fact. >> there was a meeting two days before the meeting took place with donald junior, jared, manafort and two others, gates and one more person. >> and that's a real meeting. you're saying that that's -- >> that's a real meeting on
another provable subject in which he did not participate. they were talking about the strategy of the meeting with the russians. the people in that meeting deny it. the people we've been tiebl interview. the people we've not been able to interview have never said that before b that meeting. >> so it's a meeting two days before the trump tower meeting with the russians and giuliani says that is a real meeting on another provable subject in which he would not participate, being the president. i guess he's saying it's not a strategy meeting here but it is a real meeting. here is what he told fox a couple of hours later. >> that meeting never, ever took place. it didn't happen. it's a figment of his imagination or his lying. the second meeting was brought to my attention through jay sekulow. both of us dealt with it with two different reporters. essentially the same information about this meeting that took place three days earlier with a whole group of people, every one of those people says it didn't
happen. >> so, jake, he says there's a real meeting on cnn and then a couple of hours later, four hours later, he says that meeting never took place. is rudy giuliani -- what's he doing? is he actually acting as the president's lawyer here or what is going on? did somebody get to him and say, oh, wait, no, no, no, you misspoke or we're not telling anyone about that yet? >> the person controlling the overall communication strategy is obviously the president. there's no sort of infrastructure that would dictate anything else. so again, i go back to my original point, it's not clear what his strategy is here. it's not clear what he's trying to do. it's difficult to discern what his motives are. >> if people are confused, is giuliani winning? >> yes. >> yes. >> i do think so. >> it's just adding more uncertainty into the situation. >> it muddies the waters and that's his goal. but to your original question about did he get a message saying that he made a mistake? i think so, because two days before the june 9th meeting is
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president trump, including the fact that we had a very nasty and contentious business relationship. i turned him down to head the fbi one day before appointment as s.c., as in special counsel, and comey is his close friend. president trump's attorney, rudy giuliani, was asked to clarify that tweet this morning. here is what he had to say. >> he's referring to a dispute which i imagine mueller -- i imagine he disclosed it to rosenstein when he appointed him because it would involve something that actually wasn't settled even to this day. >> what's the conflict? >> i can't tell you. i'm not sure what the conflict is. it's one that would have kept me out of the investigation. >> joining me now is chuck rosenberg. chuck, we don't know this for sure but it's believed that the conflict the president is talking about is a -- maybe a dispute over fees at one of the golf clubs, we think. what is rudy giuliani trying to
do here by saying i can't say what it is, but it would keep me out of the investigation? >> katy, it's odd. he says he doesn't even know what it is. he thinks he knows what it is and it would have kept him out of the investigation, which are all sort of inconsistent with one another. i can assure you this having worked for bob mueller and having been on his staff and having been around that man for quite a while. if he thought he had a conflict of interest, he would step aside. the department of justice regulations are incredibly clear, and bob mueller knows those regulations inside out. this is just nonsense. >> so say he did feel he did have a conflict and he did flag it to rod rosenstein. he's still the special counsel. if it was a serious conflict of interest, would rod rosenstein continue to allow him to be special counsel? >> no, sure would not. there are plenty of ethics officials at the department of justice to whom you can go to seek guidance. if an issue came up and i thought it might create a conflict for me, there's a whole bunch of people i can talk to to
help think through the issue. by the way, the way most prosecutors handle this is if there's even an appearance of a conflict of interest, they'll step aside. so the fact that mueller has not stepped aside tells me, a, he knows exactly what he's doing and, b, he has no concerns about a conflict of interest. >> so bob mueller was interviewed for the fbi director. the president interviewed him, he did not choose him. is that a conflict of interest? >> no, absolutely not. by the way, i dispute -- i don't have firsthand knowledge but i have a pretty darn good guess. i dispute the president's recitation of what happened in the oval office. remember, bob mueller had been the director of the fbi f ten years when president obama asked him to do another two. so the man had one of the hardest jobs in the country for 12 years. that he would be in the oval office begging for another ten-year term when he was in his 70s strikes me as not credible. >> is it a conflict of interest if he did work for president obama and president bush, as you just mentioned?
>> not at all. no, not at all. the mere fact that you work in an administration doesn't mean that you have a conflict because you're investigating an official in another administration. that is not a conflict. nowhere in the department of justice regulations is that suggested that that would be a conflict. this is stuff they're just making up, katy, in order to dirty up bob mueller. that's all it is. >> he also tweeted why is mueller only appointing angry dems, some of whom have worked for crooked hillary and others worked for obama. why isn't mueller looking at all of the criminal activity and collusion on the democrats side, podesta, dossier? he's saying that everybody investigating him or the people investigating him are angry democra democrats. they have gone on and they have mentioned peter strzok a number of times, lisa page, peter strzok has testified in front of the house. the president seems to be indicating that he's running his fbi when his fbi is a deep state that is working against him.
does everybody in the fbi and the mueller investigation need to come in and present what they think of donald trump in order for this investigation to be fair, how they personally feel about him? >> no, absolutely not. look, it's perfectly okay for you, me and everybody else in the entire world to have our personal views and our personal opinions, right? we all think certain things. it doesn't mean we share them with everybody and it doesn't mean that it infects or infests our work in any way. the fact that mueller has a team of folks who may have voted, who may have contributed to certain politicians is completely beside the point. as long as they can put those views aside when they have to do their work. and by the way, katy, when bob mueller found out what pete strzok had been texting, he got him off the team that day, pretty darn quickly, because he understands better than anyone how important two things are, not just that outcomes are fair but that perceptions of outcomes are fair. he has a very professional team. what they do in their private life, how they vote, to whom
they donate is their private business. they can put that aside to do their work. >> rudy giuliani has visible today, let's put that mildly. we just talked about it a moment ago before the commercial break about how he's contradicting himself on air, he's denying things that so far have not been alleged, a strategy meeting, talking about the russia transaction, unclear what transaction he's talking about. it does seem that he's trying to muddy the waters to make this whole investigation very confusing, that this is a pr strategy rather than a legal strategy. do you think the president is being well served by rudy giuliani? >> well, katy, it depends on what the president wants. if he wants a pr strategy and not a legal strategy, i guess you could argue that mr. giuliani is executing on that. to put it kindly, mr. giuliani makes absolutely no sense, and as you point out, it is absolutely not a legal strategy. and by the way, katy, collusion is a crime. we just happen to call it something else. we call it conspiracy.
but it is absolutely a crime. you know, you probably won't find the word bank heist in the criminal code, but bank robbery is a crime too, so i'm sort of perplexed that it's come down to s synonyms. if they don't know this is a legal strategy. >> let's talk about how rudy giuliani and the president is going after michael cohen saying that he's a liar, saying that he can't be trusted and is inethical. they're very clearly trying to undermine cohen's credibility. if cohen ends up being somebody who cooperates with robert mueller and we don't have any indication that he is doing that or somebody that cooperates with the sdny, how does robert mueller's team turn him into a credible witness for the prosecution? >> well, first of all, prosecutors, and i was one for a long time, don't pick their
witnesses. defendants pick their witnesses, right? i mean it sort of comes down to who did you commit the crime with and who knows about what you did and so defendants pick witnesses for the government . e the government simply puts them on the stand. and how you do this and is going on every day is my corroborating your witnesses. you introduce documents, e-mails, telephone calls, bank records, other witnesses who can testify to what michael cohen knew, saw and heard, so while a case could technically turn on one witness, the law would permit that. that's not how prosecutors work. they find as many different things as they can or as they can to corroborate michael cohen. i am sure if they use him one day as a witness, he will be well corroborated, up, down and sideways. >> what does it say to you that rudy giuliani is going -- is attacking him so viciously, the way that he's doing so far?
>> well, it gets back to your earlier point, i think, that this is a political strategy. it's not going to make a bit of difference in a court of law. prosecutors know how to handle that. it may make a difference in the court of public opinion. and so if that's what rudy giuliani is trying to do, to some extent he's succeeding. look, here we are talking about it. if you're talking one day about a trial in front of 12 men and women in a federal court, it's not going to make a darn bit of difference. so it is what it is, katy. it's deeply unfortunate. all witnesses have some baggage. by the way, interestingly, the government is required, required to turn over any information it obtains in the course of its investigation that could impeach or undermine a witness. it must give that to the defendant and his or her attorneys. and so rudy giuliani isn't doing anything that the government one day won't have to do itself. >> we should also note that michael cohen has not been charged with any crime. the raid into his offices and
home was in april. he has not been charged with any crime. it is mid-july right now. >> that's right. >> chuck rosenberg, thank you very much. >> thank you. and ahead, the shutdown showdown. president trump says he's willing to close the government over border security. will republicans back him up? ♪ this is a story about mail and packages. and it's also a story about people. people who rely on us every day to deliver their dreams they're handing us more than mail they're handing us their business and while we make more e-commerce deliveries to homes than anyone else in the country, we never forget... that your business is our business the united states postal service. priority: you ♪ new laptop with 24/7 tech support. yep, thanks guys. i think he might need some support. yes start them off right. with the school supplies they need at low prices all summer long. save $200 on this dell laptop
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don't get border security after many, many years of talk within the united states, i would have no problem doing a shutdown. >> except republicans in congress would have a problem doing a shutdown, especially if it were only about a month about the midterm elections. and as they found out the last time around earlier this year, it is not so easy to blame the other side for a shutdown when your party is in power. as oklahoma republican congressman tom cole told "the new york times," quote, we're going to have a challenging midterm anyway and i don't see how putting the attention on shutting down the government when you control the government is going to help you. but it is clear president trump is itching for a fight. i'm joined now by delaware democratic senator chris coons, thank you for joining us. >> great to be on with you again. >> are you concerned there could
be a shutdown this fall? >> i am. this doesn't help anyone. no one here in congress is itching for a government shutdown because frankly that shows that we're not able to do our most important job here, which is to compromise and to move things forward. president trump seems to think a shutdown is a great idea, and i'll remind you that what he's threatening to shut down the government over is getting full funding for his proposal for a border wall, which he campaigned saying he would somehow get mexico to pay for it. now he's demanding that the american taxpayer spend billions of dollars on a border wall that both republicans and democrats have said is not a smart use of money. now, katy, to be clear, this isn't a fight between republicans who want border security and democrats who want open borders. a lot of democrats, including myself, we voted for a significant investment in border security as part of the bills that we took up and voted on earlier this year in february to try and solve the dreamer problem by matching it up with
tens of billions of dollars of new investment in border security. that wasn't good enough for president trump, so he campaigned against those bills and killed them. frankly, this government shutdown threat by president trump over the border wall is just a renewed chapter in his bullying techniques on trying to get his way on immigration rather than working together across the aisle to find a bipartisan compromise. >> you are correct to point out that he did campaign on making mexico pay for it, but you also talk about compromise. and if the president demands this, demands that his border wall get funded, what would the democrats be willing to compromise on in order to get something like dreamers, would you give him the border wall funding in return for protections for dreamers? after all, at one point senator schumer said all of the funding for the border wall was on the table earlier. >> that's right. that's right. so, katy, back in february, i worked with senator john mccain of arizona, we introduced in the
senate and had a vote on the floor on a bipartisan bill that had its origins in the house where evening i think 54 both republicans and democrats co-sponsored a bill that had a pathway for dreamers in exchange for strengthening border security. that only got 52 votes. we also had a vote that same day on a much stronger border security for dreamer pathway to citizenship bill led by senator collins and senator joe manchin, a bipartisan group of two dozen senators negotiated hard on that. that included $25 billion in secure long-term commitments for border infrastructure. and frankly, that bill only failed on the floor because president trump personally campaigned against it that day lobbying to bring it down. we had 60 votes when we brought it to the floor. he peeled them off. so if the president is committed to killing any responsible bipartisan proposal that would give him the border wall he
claims he needs and wants, then it's frustrating and difficult for those of us willing to work across the aisle to see a path towards a successful completion of what the president says is his main goal. >> senator, given what happened in 2016 and how expectations were divide by donald trump getting elected, there's a lot of questions about what's going to happen in 2018 and whether or not it is a good idea to count on what normally happens, which is the party not in power taking over for the midterms or that the president's approval rating is so low that the democratic party will have a blou waue wav the fall. are you concerned that a shutdown won't work to your benefit in the way that it has historically? we did a survey monkey poll back in january that talked about who voters would blame for a shutdown. yes, given this is january and it's july right now, but the blame was split pretty equally between democrats and between president trump at 39% and 38%
respectively. are you concerned that that could hurt democrats in the midterms? >> look, katy, first to your first point there, i don't think we can take anything for granted. i don't think we can take for granted that polling that shows that a democratic base voters are more enthusiastic we are likely to take back the house. i don't think we can take that for granted at all. i think it's important that anyone who's watching who would like to see some change in congress, would like to see the house in particular or the senate able to act as a real check and balance on the president, don't trust the polls. get engaged, get out there and work for the outcome you want in this fall's elections. but on the specific issue of who would bear the blame for a shutdown, i agree. it's very tough to predict how the average american would read this. i do think because it's president trump who is calling for the shutdown and who would likely cause a shutdown, that he would end up bearing most of the responsibility. but given this unpredictable nature of the last 18 months here in washington, i think it's
hard to predict exactly what would happen. >> one quick question on the russia investigation. michael cohen is, according to sources that have spoken to nbc news, now alleging that don junior told donald trump about the trump tower meeting before it happened. he testified in front of the judiciary committee that he did not know, the president did not know in advance of the meeting. do you want to see don junior come back? >> absolutely. i have said for months that we should have him back in front of our committee. there are a number of critical witnesses and pieces of evidence that the republican majority declined to compel in front of the senate judiciary committee. we know that there was a blocked cell phone call just before and just after that trump tower meeting, yet the majority would not issue a subpoena so that we could see who that call was to. i'm not at all surprised that michael cohen is alleging that president trump knew about that meeting. it happened on a day when then candidate donald trump was in the same building just a floor away from his campaign manager
and his son. the odds that they had a meeting with a group of russians promising dirt on hillary clinton and it wasn't discussed beforehand or afterhand seemed very slight to me. if true, this would be a bombshell, because this is the moment where russia's organized and widespread campaign to try an interfere in our 2016 election meets up with a trump campaign team that was eager to receive their help. that would be a significant development in the ongoing investigation by mueller. this is also why i think it's important for us to protect robert mueller's investigation. >> senator, one quick question, it's a bit of a personal question. i'm going to get it through quickly. your sons, your twin sons are going to college. >> that's right. >> you told me a moment ago off camera that you have been saving since they were born for college, it's so expensive. given how expensive it is, do you have any thoughts about how people can afford to pay for college and whether or not, i don't know, bernie sanders' plan for free tuition for all is a good idea? >> i do think that we need to
reform our 529 savings plans to make them more broadly available to americans. the president is about to sign into law tomorrow the career and technical education bill which contains something called the american dream accounts that senator rubio and i have worked on that would help incentivize americans of all income levels to save for college at an earlier age. i frankly also think we ought to make national service an attractive and available way to earn a college education. the g.i. bill provides a well deserved opportunity for college education for our armed forces. i think we should have a comparable program for those who will dedicate several years of full-time service to our communities here at home. >> senator chris coons, thank you very much. and good luck with your kids in college. >> thank you, katy. and ahead, a supreme decision for red state democrats. back president trump's pick or not. hundred roads named "park" in the u.s. it's america's most popular street name.
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changes in how they treat their own people, reduce their maligned behavior, agree that it's worthwhile to enter into a nuclear agreement that actually prevents proliferation, then the president is prepared to sit down and have a conversation with them. >> that is not at all what the president said. the panel is back. jake, zerlina and susan. jake, i think has just been the family berserker. i'm making you laugh, i'm sorry. >> i'm excited to talk about this. >> he's saying one thing in front of a bunch of reporters. i'll meet with anyone, no preconditions. the president of the united states issing a that. and then his secretary of state, no, actually we've got some things we want. they did the same thing with north korea. >> this crazy world, i know, it's crazy. so republicans -- this is not an exaggeration to say republican foreign policy for the last decade has been predicated in a large part on not meeting with dictators and bad actors on the global stage without
preconditions, period. the republican party went crazy when the president -- when president obama went to cuba to meet with raul castro. >> they were really upset when he upset when he talked to rahouni on the phone in 2013. >> he goes and meets with people and says he doesn't know if there could be a deal unless i meet with them. it completely throws out the foreign policy that tom cotton and mike pompeo when he was in office. >> they said in 2013 that obama is willing to negotiate with iran and others but not with congress and you get on the phone very willing to negotiate with putin, says i will shut
down the government over the border wall. >> and president obama didn't negotiate with congress, i was there for it. >> the funny thing is, as you say, what republican foreign policy has been based on, the one thing donald trump gets to say when he has this meeting is no other president has agreed to do this. that's all he cares about. he takes the meeting as a victory lap. he has no sense of policy. he doesn't understand the consequences of his actions. he does not respect the white house or the office of the presidency, so why should he care? he doesn't understand how it's giving putin something to invite him here because he literally does not comprehend what it means to sit in that office and how it affects domestic and foreign policy. >> let me take a different tact, they say, we have to talk to people if we want to solve problems. that's what president obama did. should they be applauding the
president for doing the same thing, if we want to solve problems we have to talk to people. >> small caveat, he's meeting without pre-conditions or saying he will do that but not doing the planning or staff planning associated with a meeting at this same level. on the one hand, the same thing, i will meet without pre-conditions, obama was criticized for that. but have a fully staffed state department that did the staffing work necessary to make sure we didn't go into one of these meetings and -- >> of course -- >> have somebody transcribed the interim. >> and have a president follow the notes, it says do not congratulate in upper case letters in bold at the top of the page, maybe president trump listens. >> he read the memos. >> presumably. he wants to shut down the government right before the mid-terms. we read some polling in january that said voters would blame both democrats and donald trump, 39-38% respectively.
obviously, it is july, things are a little bit different. showdown and shutdown, is that good for the democrats out of the midterms? >> it's difficult to say, right, republicans were in control and shut down the government in 2013 and gained the largest majority since herbert hover in 2014 and slid into more power. i think right before the election, shutdown would be 37 days before election day. i think the president now has said, basically, i'm okay with shutting down the government, not basically, he has said that. he is putting the onus, he's saying he's fine and comfortable with the shut down, not usually what presidents or politics say. again, i go back to this. today based on what we know, republicans will lose the house, based on something we don't foresee, that will happen. whether this will be dispositive or not in that political outcome i don't know the answer to it.
>> are you that sure democrats will have a blue wave and republicans will lose the house, are you that sure? >> they don't need a blue wave, they need 23 seats, not 53. >> a stick freeze. >> they don't need a current just a good riptide. >> is it a bad idea to believe in your own hype? doesn't that depress turnout? >> yes. you believe your own hype all the way to the finish line and you don't win. >> i'm a slave to the traffic light. time is up. jake and susan, thank you very much. ahead, andrea mitchell, breaking news and blazing trails. ♪
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investigation. >> let me read between -- >> sure. >> i want to read the tweet. the words the president used in the statement on twitter that he released earlier this morning. this is a terrible situation. and attorney general jeff sessions should stop this rigged witch hunt right now before it continues to stain our country any further. bob mueller is totally conflicted and his 17 angry democrats that are doing his dirty work are a disgrace to usa. i just want to be specific what the president has said because, dana, this is the most bombastic statement he's made yet on this entire russia probe. and it comes as mueller is now engaged in the first trial that's actually started yesterday. >> no question. and, look, when -- and this goes to the heart of part of the mueller investigation. when a boss, or when the president, says -- makes a suggestion to a subordinate, is it really a suggestion?
like david chalian was saying earlier, when your boss or my boss suggests something to us, is it really just a suggestion, or is it, please do this. and it's not different when you're looking at this issue and when you're talking about these players. that's why giuliani came out in a very carefully worded statement that he gave to me to make clear that this is not what the president's intention is. the question is not answered, which we are all asking, is why the president is doing this in the first place. this tweet, a series of other tweets this morning sure looks like somebody who was very preoccupied with this and very concerned about something maybe we don't know about. yet. >> let's go to jeff zeleny at the white house. standing by for sarah sanders. her press briefing was to begin at 1:00. now delayed until at least 1:15. what is motivating, driving the president right now to issue these kinds of very, very blunt,
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as long as he's been angry at him. but he's never fired him. it's the deputy attorney general rod rosenstein who is in charge of this investigation. so the president didn't necessarily say that he was going to ask rod rosenstein to have mueller end the investigation. so it does seem as though he was blowing off some steam trying to discredit this investigation. but, wolf, it will be interesting to see if the press secretary sarah sanders reflects the same explanation or definition or defense that rudy giuliani was giving to dana earlier. clearly this is as far as the president has gone. clearly this is a different moment in this investigation. and the president, if you look at the tweets from the weekend on when he was directly going after bob mueller, directly going after this investigation, it does seem he's more agitated by it. perhaps he does know more than we know in this investigation. we'll see what the white house has to say in just a few minutes, wolf. >> we certainly will. jeff and dana, stand by. gloria borger and our panel are here as well.
the allegation immediately after the president tweeted these words about jeff sessions should stop this rigged witch hunt was that potentially he's obstructing justice. >> you know, that has been a question that we've all looked into. whether the president's tweets are being looked into by the special counsel as potentially obstructing justice. but i want to remind everyone because we've all reported -- cnn has reported that trump personally pressured sessions on multiple occasions to recuse himself from this investigation. he has been angry about sessions recusing himself for months. but this takes this whole thing to a different level. and once again, we find ourselves parsing the president's words. rudy giuliani's statement to dana is he said should, not must. last week, we were talking about would versus would not. they are trying -- i mean, they are the shovel brigade here, trying to clean up this mess
that the president is making. tweeting about bob mueller and his attorneys, i guarantee you, jay sekulow being one of them, are probably pulling their hair out about this because it's the last thing they want to hear from the president, particularly when they're engaged or sort of engaged with the special counsel about trying to figure out whether the president testifies or not. >> this is a moment right now, a very critical moment, because on top of all of this, the president is now weighing in. there's a federal trial under way in alexandria, virginia, just outside washington, d.c. mueller and his team are going after paul manafort, the man who was the president's campaign chairman. all of a sudden, the president is weighing in on paul manafort as this trial is just beginning. it's day two. looking back on history, he tweets, who was heated worse. alfons capone, legendary mob boss, or paul manafort, political operative and
reagan/dole darling now serving solitary confinement although convicted of nothing. where is the russian collusion? i don't remember a time when a sitting president of the united states has gotten involved in discussing an ongoing federal trial. >> except maybe nixon, right? if you think about it. on principle, and precedent and the norms of the office, the president should not be commenting publicly on any of this because it might come across as undue influence from the president, whether you're talking about the manafort trial, an ongoing trial, or the mueller investigation where the president and his allies still are potential targets of that trial. they have an interest, skin in the game. again, principle and the norms of the office, if they mattered in this. we've seen those shredded and passed over many times before. on the language, it's interesting that giuliani is trying to establish some sort of code for trump's language when he issues these public orders because there's really been no consistency there. the president has launched
unitary executive that says he can hire and fire anyone he wants but that doesn't mean he can do anything in his constitutional role. and what this president continues to struggle with, or perhaps just disregard is his -- the difference between his personal opinions and his weighing in as a private citizen and things he might not like versus he actually is in a constitutional role. >> because rudy giuliani in the statement that he released and dana bash reported said the president was expressing his opinion on his favorite me medium -- twitter -- for asserting his first amendment right of free speech. everything the president says as a sitting president, whether it's on twitter or official white house statement or news conference, that is historic. that's a presidential statement. >> that's right. he is the president, and words matter. this isn't something new to him. if you think about his days as ceo. the head of a company, when he said things, people acted. you can't just say now he's justice blowing off steam and letting us know his opinion. the issue here is that we cannot get numb to this.
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a book that you're ready to share with the world? get published now, call for your free publisher kit today! very dramatic day in washington. we're standing by for the press briefing. sarah sanders expected momentarily to walk in and start answering reporters' questions. we'll, of course, have coverage of that. at the same time, there's other related news that we're following. a political consultant and an fbi agent have now taken the stand on day two of paul manafort's trial. in opening statements the prosecution portrayed manafort as living an extravagant lifestyle fueled by secret income from lobbying in ukraine. but the defense says it was manafort's former deputy rick gates who lied and stole money. let's go to our crime and
justice reporter shimon prokupecz. he's joining us in washington. rick gates, he had been expected to testify for the prosecution. now there seems to be some questions about that. what can you tell us? >> certainly, wolf, there has been certainly by the defense team. and rick gates is on the witness list for the prosecution. but nothing holds them to that. doesn't mean prosecutors have to call them. what happened just about an hour ago in court, during testimony by this fbi agent who was talking about documents and other information that he recovered from manafort's home during a search warrant execution, the prosecutor was asking him questions about some of those documents and rick gates came up and a judge trying to move things along says, well, why are you essentially asking this agent about this. we're going to have rick gates here. and at that point the prosecutor said, well, we may or may not call rick gates. obviously the idea that the prosecution would not call rick gates is somewhat newsworthy.
the defense has made a big deal out of it in their opening statement saying that pinning everything on rick gates. so it would leave an interesting strategy here for the defense. a position here for the defense as to whether or not they're going to go ahead and call rick gates, if the prosecution does not. >> maybe the prosecution thinks they don't need to call rick gates. he's already admitted lying to federal authorities. he's plead guilty. maybe they think they have enough evidence, documents, other evidence, they don't need to call him. >> that's exactly right. based on some of the reporting we've done, we were kind of surprised that rick gates would be on the witness list. we've been all along told that when rick gates was working on his cooperation agreement with the special counsel, they said to him they didn't really need him on the manafort stuff. when you look through now the second day of this trial, all the documents that have been recovered and other information, it would seem that rick gates would just be kind of a bonus to
them and perhaps given the strategy here by the defense, prosecutors are now saying, well, why do we need to call them? it could only dirty our case up and, therefore, no need for us to call them. just make our case and prove our case through other witnesses and through a lot of the documents they have now recovered and are using in this trial. that's a good point, wolf. >> the defense would have to decide if they call them as a witness? a hostile witness? those are to be determined. shimon, thank you. gloria, the president tweeted this morning on this paul manafort case, which is pretty unusual at the start of a federal case. president tweet again. this is a different tweet from earlier. paul manafort worked for ronald reagan, bob dole and many other prominent respect ed people. these have nothing to do with collusion. a hoax. it's pretty unusual. trial starts and he's weighing in on paul manafort. >> he is. and what's odd about this, to be
honest is that donald trump and paul manafort were never close. paul manafort was brought in to the campaign by a friend of donald trump's who recommended, hey, this guy knows how to count delegates. that's when we saw there was going to be a delegate fight at the convention which there turned out not to be because donald trump went over the finish line after indiana. so they actually didn't need him. but then they liked him and they promoted him to run the campaign effecti effectively. that's when they ousted corey lewandowski. so he is somebody who is not personally close to trump. but i feel that trump feels personally threatened by manafort because if there is a conviction here, what this does is it gives the mueller investigation credibility. and so he's been calling it a witch hunt and a hoax. you have all the indictments of the russians which shows that it's not a witch hunt and a hoax but if manafort were to get
convicted, that does give mueller some wind at his back. it's very, very important to him. and i think trump understands that. >> it's important to remember, jim, and you've done a lot of reporting on this that manafort was working for pro-russian, pro-putin, pro-kremlin rich guys in ukraine, including viktor yanukovych who was a pro-putin leader of ukraine. and that sort of fits in to this investigation. >> his client -- manafort's client who paid him tens of millions of dollars was not a good guy. he was putin's guy in the ukraine. he was corrupt. accused of overseeing the shooting of civilian protesters during the maidon protests. he jailed his political opponent there, tibishenko. and manafort tried to build support in the west for the jailing of his political opponent. this is the thing. if you are thinking about the kind of work he was doing there. yes, it was prior to his time with trump. but it was significant work for someone with russian ties who
was not a boy scout, right? and to be fair, he was not the only one working for him. tony podesta also did some work for -- >> the brother of john podesta who was the hillary clinton campaign chairman. >> exactly. but the level and duration and amount of work manafort did for him was important and relevant and long running. the other point i would make is this. it's a bit rich for trump and his allies to claim that paul manafort was in effect some sort of short-term coffee boy. they were a key three months to get the delegates at the convention, through the convention. and he was the head of the campaign. not a low-level position but time and position doesn't mean much here because they will -- with michael cohen, for instance, who worked for the president for more than a decade, in a very intimate role, they're now claiming they always knew he was a liar. not a lot of -- there are some thin arguments being made about their relative connection and
importance to this president. >> and also in the trump tower meeting with don junior. >> yes. >> and that may be something that troubles the president. >> everybody hold their breath. a lot more to discuss. we're waiting for the briefing to begin any moment now. there you see live pictures. the reporters, they're all in their seats already. we're waiting for sarah sanders to show up. also, the president doing an interview in which he says a government shutdown over his border wall with mexico is a great campaign issue. he also says there's a lot of evil people here in washington. get ready. we'll discuss. ♪ it's so hard to believe ♪ but it's all coming back me. ♪ baby, baby, baby. all you can eat is back, baby. applebee's.
as sarah sanders walks over to the microphone. a ton of questions reporters have for her today. we'll see how far she's willing to go, how many questions she's willing to answer. stand by for live coverage. all this happening as the president, gloria, has just given an interview to rush limbaugh, a radio interview, in which he doubled down on his decision that, unless there's a border wall with mexico and other immigration issues, he's willing to shut down the federal government. he says, a lot of good people ask me, could we do it after the election? they've been good to me? i think it's a great campaign issue. i think it would be great before. but i don't want to disappoint a lot of great people. so he's insisting, he's ready to shut down the government at the end of september when the fiscal year ends. >> sounds like he's listening to them. >> mitch mcconnell, paul ryan -- >> people that want to keep their majorities in the congress. what i'm sure mitch mcconnell and paul ryan are saying to him
is, are you kidding me? we have people in the house, for example, in suburban republican districts that are in danger of losing their seat and we want to try and keep those seats. and not only are women going to come out and vote but this woubld a real problem. government shutdowns are generally not popular when people understand what it means to them. and so they are saying, no, don't pull that card yet because it will complicate things. plus, don't forget, they want to get brett kavanaugh confirmed for the supreme court. how are they going to do that if the congress is shut down? in a funny way, maybe chuck schumer will say, yeah, let's shut the government down because that way kavanaugh wouldn't make it to the start of the supreme court session. who knows. >> the president also said there are evil people here in washington in this interview with rush limbaugh.
let me read to you another quote from the president. you have a lot of bad people in washington. you knew that a long time ago. frankly, before i knew it, i had no idea how evil some of them are. but you have some great people, too. so he's doubling down on his evil people here in washington. >> what a revelation. i mean, it's washington. you have it in every city. listen. it fits his narrative. he blames -- in there is blame he assigns to various folks who criticize him or stand up to him. some of them, sadly, the media is often one of his favorite targets. but not just the media. even some in his own party and democrats. it's a consistent trump theme, and it's perhaps some consistent trump hyperbole there. >> let's get back to his tweet. a real bombshell this morning, carrie, when he said this is a terrible situation and attorney general jeff sessions should stop this rigged witch hunt right now before it continues to stain our country any further.
he said bob mueller is totally conflicted and has 17 angry democrats doing his dirty work are a disgrace to the usa. adam schiff, the top democrat issued a statement following that. quote, the president of the united states just called hosattorney general to put an end to an investigation in which the president, his family and his campaign may be implicated. this is an attempt to obstruct justice hiding in plain sight. america must never accept it. what's your reaction to that statement from adam schiff? >> adam is not only on the house intelligence committee but also a former prosecutor. and as a former prosecutor, as anybody who used to be in the justice department, to see a president trying to pressure, for political purposes, the department of justice, it's just offensive. >> with that thought, here's sarah sanders. >> it's like the q. you knew i was coming. good afternoon. later today at 1:35 p.m., hawaii time, vice president mike pence at the request of president trump will participate in an
honorable carry ceremony at joint base pearl harbor. the leader of north korea has followed through on his commitment to return the first set of remains to our homeland. these brave souls deserve nothing but our honor and respect. the families of these soldiers have been waiting for more than 60 years for their loved ones to come home. we hope that as remains are identified, families like those of commander john k. mcheel can find peace. john was assigned to navy squadron 125 and was killed leading a dive bomb mission. his nephew doug recently wrote the president a letter explaining how his uncle was a special person who grew up in the great depression and wanted to serve his country. another letter from mary in pennsylvania tells the president of her uncle corporal andrew boyer who has been missing in action in korea since september of 1951. mary has a picture of her uncle in her living room as a reminder
of his commitment and service to our country. both of these men and their families represent thousands of proud patriotic american families. the president is committed to them and will work to bring them the closure they deserve. on another matter, we have seen all of the alarming images of the wildfires causing severe damage out west. the white house and fema have been actively monitoring the wildfires to ensure that federal assistance is provided as quickly as possible. on saturday, the president declared that an emergency exists for the california wildfires. as a result, fema has placed resources from eight different federal departments and agencies to support the efforts of local firefighters and relief organizations. the president will continue to monitor this ongoing emergency and make sure the people of california receive the assistance they need to keep them safe and recover. our prayers are with the firefighters who recently lost their lives battling these fires and their grieving families. lastly, the president has been
closely following the ongoing situation in turkey involving pastor andrew brenson. we've seen no evidence that pastor brenson has done anything wrong, and we believe he's a victim of unfair and unjust attention by the government of turkey. at the president's direction, the department of treasury is sanctioning turkey's minister of justice and minister of interior, both of whom played leading roles in the arrest and detention of pastor brenson. any property or interest in property of both ministers within u.s. jurisdiction is blocked, and u.s. persons are generally prohibited from engaging in transactions with them. for anything further, i would refer you to the treasury department on that front. with that, eultake your questions. zeke? >> thank you. first, quickly. last month there were only three briefings with you for a total under an hour. we'd appreciate it if we get
more time. a lot of issues we'd like to cover. one of those is the president's tweet this morning about the president's direction to jeff sessions asking him to end the mueller probe right now. the president said a few weeksing -- or a few months ago he's not going to intervene in the department of justice's investigation. was this more of a change in posture? >> it's not an order. it's the president's opinion and it's ridiculous that all of the corruption and dishonesty that's gone on with the launching of the witch hunt, the president wants to -- has watched this process play out. but he also wants to see it come to an end as he stated many times. and we look forward to that happening. >> and on a different topic, sarah, you mentioned the transfer of the remains from north korea. fulfilling his commitment to the president. there's a report yesterday that north korea is still assembling icbms. it's not yet possible to verify the remains being transferred back are human or american.
how does that meet the test of north korea fulfilling its requirement? >> i'm not going to comment on your first part of the question on any potential intelligence matter. in terms of the remains, we have the best of the best that have been working over the last several weeks on this process. we'll keep you updated on it. but we feel comfortable in the assessment that they've made up until this point. john? >> sarah, on the next proposed tranche against china, the figure initially for tariffs was 10%. but it's our understanding that the president now wants to take that up to 25%. what's the reason behind increasing it from 10% to 25% and in a tit-for-tat, if you want to call a trade war something else, who has more bullets? china or the united states? >> the president firmly believes that the united states certainly does. we'll have an update later today, and there will be a call
at 3:30 this afternoon to walk through the details of that update in regards to the question you asked about 10 to 25. the bottom line is the president is going to continue to hold china responsible for their unfair trade practices. this has gone on for long enough, and he's going to do something about it. >> does the president believe that -- >> back here, sorry. go ahead, john. >> the president has made some headway with the eu in terms of lowering trade barriers, taking steps toward leveling the playing field. does the president and his team believe that that is possible with china without some taking some real punitive measures? >> certainly we'd like to see the playing field level. the president, as both he and i think about 15 members of his administration have said repeatedly we'd like to see the unfair trade practices stop. until that happens, the president is going to hold their feet to the fire and continue to
put pressure on china. he's not going to sit back and allow american industries and american workers to be taken advantage of. dave? >> sarah, churches around the country, synagogues, some evangelical leaders have been up in arms in the last few weeks about last year's tax cut law. there's a provision that's going to force them to pay a new 21% federal income tax on the benefits they give to certain employees. can you assure churches from the podium that they'll not have to pay a new tax? >> i'm not going to make a blanket generalization about every church but the goal of the tax forms and reforms package was to provide the greatest amount of relief to the greatest number of americans, and we feel it's done that. we feel the other policies that the president has put forward twhen comes to the economy have certainly moved the ball forward, made our economy infinitely stronger than it has in decades. you can see that by all of the numbers that have come out over
the last year and a half. hunter? >> what is the president prepared to do to make sure they keep their tax-exempt status? >> certainly something we're looking into but i don't have anything specific for you on that front. hunter? >> federal law says that any threatening letter or communication aims at impedesing it obstruction of justice. he doesn't think it's obstruction because the president said he should stop it rather than ordering him to halt it. you just echoed that reasoning before. what i want to know, is rudy giuliani the one giving the president legal advice on his tweets, and does that statement reflect the opinion of the president's legal team? >> the president is not obstructing. he's fighting back. the president is stating his opinion. he's stating it clearly. and he certainly is expressing the frustration that he has with the level of corruption that we've seen from people like jim
comey, peter struck. most of america is angry as well and there's no real reason he shouldn't be able to voice that opinion. margaret? >> tesla plans to spend $5 million to build a plant in china. they are saying it's not going to affect tesla operations in the u.s., but i'm wondering whether the administration has any concerns about tesla's plans. >> certainly we'd love to see all american companies investing here. i don't have anything specific on tesla but we'd encourage all companies to build their plants in america. put their investments here and not engage and help bolster a country like china that has continued to be part of a very unfair process and very unfair trading practices. john? >> thanks a lot, sarah. there was reaction to the president's tweets today from some of his allies on capitol hill.
republican senator hatch said, i don't fully get what he's trying to do. and another republican senator said the mueller investigation needs to move forward. he said they ought to let them complete their work. do you agree with that sentiment expressed by senator thoon that this investigation by mr. mueller ought to be completed and not be cut off? >> we certainly think it should be completed. sooner rather than later. it's gone on for an extensive amount of time. they've still come up with nothing in regards to the president. we'd like to see it come to a close. we've said that a number of times. so, sure, we actually agree on that front. cecilia? >> just because we're tight on time. cecilia, go ahead. sorry, john. just because we're tight on time, i'll try to get to as many people as possible. >> does the president still believe that millions of people are voting illegally in this country? is that the basis for this push for requiring voter i.d.s?
>> even if there are ten people voting illegally, it shouldn't happen. the president wants to see the integrity of our election systems upheld. he wants to make sure that anybody that's voting is somebody that should be voting. and that's something that should be celebrated. not discriminated. major? >> when was the last time the president went to a grocery store? >> i'm not sure. >> you go to the grocery store. i've never had to show an i.d. at the grocery store. i've never had to show an i.d. when i go to buy groceries. >> if you go to a grocery store and buy beer and wine you'll show your i.d. >> the president doesn't drink -- >> he's not saying every time he went in. he's saying when you go to the grocery store. i'm sure everybody in here who has been to a grocery store that's purchased beer or wine has probably had to show their i.d. if they didn't, then that's probably a problem with the grocery store. major? >> following up on john decker's question, you want the investigation to end.
you want it to end, i presume, without any obstruction or interference. many have described the president's tweet as blowing off steam. is that a fair characterization? it's just an opinion he's throwing throughout. it has nothing to do with his actual governmental control of or supervision of this investigation. >> once again as i said earlier, the president is stating his opinion. it's not an order, but he's been, i think, crystal clear about how he feels about this investigation from the beginning. sarah? >> you said a moment ago the investigation itself is corrupt. the mueller investigation. you mentioned comey and mccabe and strzok. >> the entire investigation is based off of a dirty, discredited dossier that was paid for by an opposing campaign and had a lot of corruption within the entity which was overseeing it, which was peter strzok, james comey, andrew
mccabe. i don't think we have to go into it every time we're here. >> if it is corrupt, why hasn't the president -- why doesn't he follow through on it? >> the president has allowed this process to play out. but he thinks it's time for it to come to an end. sere? >> thank you, sarah. i'm wondering if you can clarify this tweet from this morning. is it the president's desire for, first, sessions to unrecuse himself from the probe and is it also his desire for the special counsel to be fired? >> i think i've clarified this about ten times now. it's the president's opinion. i don't have anything further. steve? >> yes, sarah. last night at the tampa rally, the president again pushed for creation of a space force as a new military branch. the defense department today missed the deadline to submit a report to congress about how this space force is to be structured. and we're told the white house is now twice rejected drafts because the defense department doesn't want a space force. it would rather create a space
command under the existing military structure. in view of this, how is the president going to force the creation of a space force? >> we're continuing to work with the department of defense to figure out and determine the best way forward. something the president feels strongly about. and we're going to work with our team there and figure out the best solution. >> i have a question about the president is meeting with inner city pastors. today secretary carson pushed policies that would raise the rent on many poor people. also policies that would slow the anti-immigration initiative. what is it going to say to pastors who may be hurt by some of these policies? >> certainly that's a reason to sit down with these individuals to hear their feedback and concerns. the primary point of discussion for today is to discuss prison reform, but i wouldn't be surprised if they raise those issues. that's why the president has invited them here so he can have those ongoing conversations and determine how best to help them in a number of different situations.
>> [ inaudible ]. >> i'm sorry? >> are those policies raising rents on poor people and slowing anti-segregation initiatives, are they helping inner cities? >> i would have to look at the specific policies you're referencing. i'd be happy to do that after the briefing. julie? >> members of this administration are currently talking about big cuts to the refugee resettlement program, currently capped at $45,000 but as low as $25,000 next year. does the president feel this country admits too many refugees? what does he think the proper level is and what would the rationale be for scaling it back? >> this is part of an ongoing discussion and no policy decisions have been made. but we'll keep you posted as they are. jeff? >> sarah -- >> [ inaudible ]. >> i'm sorry? >> does the president think there are too many refugees coming in? >> we want tos make sure we know who they are, why they are coming and that they pose no danger or threat to americans. that's the number one priority. we want to make sure that we have the processes in place and the ability to vet any
individual that would come into this country. if the department of homeland security and other agencies, that they would work in coordination with determine that they don't have the ability to vet a certain number, then the president would have concerns with that. the number one priority is national security and making sure we have the ability to properly vet and process any individual that comes into this country. jeff? >> you said the president wants this investigation to be completed. he has not yet made the decision if he'll sit down with bob mueller. isn't he part of dragging this out a bit? and also when he tells you something personally, do you take it as a directive or as his opinion? >> on the first part, i would refer you to the president's outside counsel and specific negotiations with the special counsel. and the second part, i'm sorry? >> you said his tweet was his opinion. when he tells you something as a member of his staff, how do you know if it's a directive from the president or if it's simply his opinion? >> the president makes it pretty clear when i'm having those conversations with him. >> seemed pretty clear.
his tweet this morning said he wanted to -- time for the investigation to be stopped. does the president know that jeff sessions can't stop the investigation? has he directed rod rosenstein to? >> the president is well aware of how the process works. he's stating his opinion. >> what does the president plan to do about 3d plastic guns? and has he spoken to the nra about this snsh. >> the president is glad this was give more time to review. turkey this directly with president erdogan. >> yes, they have discussed it on several occasions. >> was he upset about it? >> i think you can see in the
actions the president made today he's not happy with turkey's decision not to release the pastor. >> possibility of shutdown on taxes, does the president support the way capital gains are taxed. on the possibility of a shutdown, is the president talking about potentially endorsing a government shutdown before november's election, after november's election or both. >> on the first part of your question, this is something that has a lot of support from various people. no administration policy has been determined but the president asked the treasury department to take a look into it. on the second part of your question regards to shutdown, the president is focused on timing of before or after the election, he's focused on results. he's been talking about this a year and a half. our immigration system is completely broken. he's begging and has been for congress, particularly democrats in congress, step up, do their jobs, stoppic canning the ball
down the field and work with him to fix the system. it's that simple. >> does the president have a personal opinion whether or not the system works -- >> again, he's asked the treasury department to look into it. david. >> thank you, sarah. two quickies in tampa, does the president encourage support people that show up qanonfor trump? is the white house willing to say in view of what happened to one of our tv colleagues last night he's wrong for vocal supporters to be menacing towards journalists doing their job in a situation like that or any situation? >> the first part, the president condemns and denounces any group that would incite violence against another individual and certainly doesn't support groups that would promote that type of behavior. we've been clear about that a number of times since the beginning of the administration. on the second part of your question, the president, as i
just said, does not support violence against anyone or anything. we've been very clear every single time we've been asked about that. when it comes to the media, the president does think that the media holds a responsibility. we fully support a free press. there also comes a high level of responsibility with that. the media routinely reports on classified information and government secrets that put lives in danger and risk valuable national security tools. this has happened both in our administration and in past administrations. one of the worst cases was the reporting on the u.s. ability to listen to osama bin laden's satellite phone in the late '90s. because of that reporting he stopped using that phone and the country lost valuable intelligence. unfortunately it's not standard top abandon common sense ethical practices. this is a two-way street. we certainly support free press, condemn violence against anybody but we ask people act
responsibly and report accurately and fairly. >> sarah, nobody was being violent last night. they were trying to prevent a broadcaster from getting a broadcast out and yelling his network sucks. is that right or wrong? >> i'm sorry. what was the first part your question? >> no one was being violent in terms of hitting anybody and no broadcaster was broadcasting state secrets. they were trying to do standups at a rally and people yelling over them trying. >> cheri: them from their their jobs. do you support that or not. >> why we certainly support freedom of the appreciation we support freedom of speech. we think those things go hand in hand. >> he talked a little about the tweet earlier, also the tweet about paul manafort and comparing his treatment to that of al capone. he seems to say he thought he was being treated unfairly. i guess, first of all, why does -- does the president feel like paul manafort is being treated unfairly. when he talks about solitary
confinement and the fact that manafort hasn't been convicted yet, does this administration have concerns about solitary confinement of people outside of paul manafort. >> i'm not aware of a policy decision on this front. certainly the president is clear, he thinks paul manafort has been treated unfairly. >> thank you. two question, one india, one pakistan. can you confirm if they have accepted prime minister modi to be special guest next year in january. >> i know the invitation has been extended but i don't believe a final decision has been made. i do know both secretary mattis and secretary pompeo will be traveling to india, i believe it's next month, and will begin the dialogue in the process and potential discussion for a
presidential visit later in the year. >> pakistani concern historic electi election, mr. khan on corruption election in pakistan. he had very little to say good things about india, u.s. and india but still the prime minister of pakistan today. how are you going to deal with him? >> united states -- prosecute of u.s. pakistan relations. >> certainly united states and ind india have a deep and abiding strategic partnership. we're going to continue to build on that partnership and advance cooperation. i think you'll see that at the meeting. that will take place with secretaries pompeo and mattis next month. peter. >> does the president believe paul manafort is innocent of the charges he faces. >> i don't believe that's the president's role to play. he believes he's being treated unfairly. that's all i can say. >> ask you a follow-up views expressed on twitter attorney
general jeff sessions should stop this rigged witch hunt right now. has the president said that directly to jeff sessions at any point? >> i'm not aware of the president stating his opinion. time for one more question. >> to rod rosenstein. >> not that i'm aware. >> a follow on that. the president's opinion session should end mueller probe but also his opinion the mueller probe should play itself out. >> the president believes he's watched this process play out. he'd like to see it come to a conclusion since it's been going on for the better part of a year and a half and they found no conclusion between the president as he said many, many times before. the president has an event in a couple minutes. >> you've also said the president believes he can fire mueller. doesn't it look weak on twitter for him to say sessions should end this probe when it's rosenstein that can end it and the president can end it. >> it's not weak for the president of the united states to state his opinion. thanks so much, guys.
all right. so there you have it. sarah sanders on the most sensitive issue, this tweet from the president this morning that attorney general jeff sessions should stop this rigged witch hunt right now before it continues to stain our country any further. gloria borger said this is not an order, simply an opinion. he wants to see it come to an end. clearly he's angry about the entire investigation. >> she made a point of saying this is not obstructing. what he's doing is fighting back. and when she was asked is he blowing off steam, she said this is his opinion, it is not an order. but he's been crystal clear about how he feels. i don't know. dana mentioned this before. when a president says you should do something, what's the difference between that and you must do something? >> it's an important issue. she also said, jim sciutto, that this entire investigation, the mueller investigation, is based on a dirty, discredited dossier.
>> the white house podium has become a platform for repeating false information. we've seen it for a year and a half now. that is an abjectly false statement. it's in the documents. the investigation began before the documents existed. when campaign aide george papadopoulos bragged to an australian diplomat about russians offering help and having dirt on hillary clinton and that diplomat, who is a close u.s. ally of the u.s., member of the five group of intelligence sharing nations felt it was significant enough to volunteer to come to the fbi with this information. that's what kicked off this counter-intelligence situation. sarah sanders knows that, the president knows that, it's in the public record, yet she's willing to repeat what is a false statement. this is something the president repeats all the time as part of a broader and strategic attack on his feud to undermine the investigation. in addition to that, listen to her language.
witch hunt has now become not just something that shows up in the president's tweets but repeated from the white house podium and a description of legal investigation endorsed by republicans and democrats. a shorthand. doesn't bother saying mueller probe, it is the witch hunt, which is taken from the president's tweet. they could dismiss the president's tweet as letting off steam but it's become official moniker endorsed by both republicans and democrats. so the president's words do matter. they are repeated from the white house podium. >> another sensitive issue, day two of the paul manafort trial, federal trial in alexandria, virginia, federal trump campaign chairman and the president weighing in on twitter making all sorts of references to the way al capone is treated, paul manafort is being treated. she said, sarah sanders, i think paul manafort is treated unfairly. it's unusual during a criminal trial for the president of the united states to weigh in.
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that and $300 billion after that. basically the entire u.s. trade relationship with china. initially on the next tranche of $200 billion, the president was thinking about levying attacks of 10%. this afternoon we're going to learn that the president is going to up that to 25%. the belief here among his trading economic team that china continues to be a bad actor when it comes to trade and they need very strong influence, if you will, to try to get china to change its ways. listen to what sarah huckabee sanders. >> the president has made some head way the e.u. in terms of lowering trade barriers, taking steps towards levelling the playing field. does the president and his team believe that is possible with china without taking some real punitive measures? >> we'd like to see the playing field levelled. the president as both he and i think about 15 members of his administration have said
repeatedly, we'd like to see the unfair trade practices stop. until that happens, the president will hold their feet to the fire and put pressure on china and he's not going to allow american industries and american workers to be taken advantage of. >> so here's the calculation that the white house is making. the united states buys about $500 billion, maybe more than that of goods from china every year. china buys $130 billion of american goods. if it comes for a tit for tat war, the u.s. believes they can last longer. $130 billion on the chinese side versus $500 billion on the u.s. side, the calculation, shep, is that they have more bullets to fight a trade war than china does. shep? >> shepard: thanks, john. the white house echoed the president's false tweets claiming the dossier is the reason for the russian
elements of it that are confirmed true. no part of it to fox news knowledge has been confirmed false. the special counsel, robert mueller, is a registered republican. the deputy attorney general rod rosenstein who appointed mueller is also a republican. attorney general jeff sessions who swore in rosenstein is also a republican. president trump, a republican appointed sessions. the dossier is 35 pages of research memos. christopher steele wrote it. he's a former british intelligence agent. a research firm called fusion gps compiled the memos. they allege conspiracy between the trump campaign and the russian government to help mr. trump win the election over hillary clinton. republicans supporting marco rubio hired the research firm. when mr. trump won the nomination, the group stopped funding the research and the clinton campaign took it over. in virginia outside d.c., it's
day two of the criminal trial of the president's former campaign manager, paul manafort. it's the first trial resulting from robert mueller's investigation. today we learned the government's star witness may not testify. prosecutors are describing paul manafort as the mastermind behind a multimillion dollar scheme to evade taxing and banking laws. the judge said manafort's lavish lifestyle is not on trial. he blocked mueller's team from showing the jury pictures of a closet full of clothes. the prosecutor said manafort dropped $15,000 on a jacket made of ostrich skin. rick gates pleaded guilty in the mueller investigation and has been cooperating in the federal
government in its investigation. he was expected to testify against his old boss but prosecutors say that may not happen. paul manafort faces more than a dozen charges including bank fraud, tax evasion and conspiracy. he's pleaded not guilty. these charged are connected to the rob -- lobbying he did in ukraine. president trump has repeatedly said there was no collusion. peter doocy is live at the courthouse. peter? >> shep, the photos the mueller team wanted to show today of paul manafort's $7,500 cashmere suit or $9,500 cream trousers were taken in the fbi raid. the court's seizing agent was on the stand. he testified that when agents showed up unannounced, they knocked, waiting 30 seconds and repeated that three times. nobody answered.
at which point they used a key to get in. the fbi agent would not say where the key to manafort's condo came from. that account from the fbi does dispute earlier accounts there was no a no-knock raid because they say that they did knock but it had no impact. however under cross examination, the fbi agent said he's not surprised. nobody came to the door at 6:00 a.m. but what the special counsel is doing, demonstrating that they don't want to use a paper trail, computer files, paper files of transactions that were seized that show that manafort was spending a lot of money they allege from the hidden accounts from international wire transfers. they want jurors to see the actual physical high-dollar clothing that manafort was allegedly using this money for. the judge said that it might be prejudicial to present photos in addition to the transfers and he stress add again today like yesterday, it's not illegal to
be really rich and throw money around, shep. >> shepard: why doesn't the judge want the mueller team to use the word "oligarch" in the trial? >> the judge thinks that oligarch has a pajorative meaning. so he thinks that if the mueller team will describe the people that manafort was doing business with in the ukraine as oligarchs, it might be prejudicial again. he said these are people that finance campaigns like the judge said the koch brothers as opposed to criminals. when the judge give instructions like that to the defense or mueller team, he asks the jury to leave the room so the six men and six women from virginia that decide his fate are not there to see the judge pushing back. >> shepard: peter doocy, thank you. dozens of troops killed in the korean war could be making the journey home.
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remains. the caskets set to arrive in hawaii hours from now. the north koreans included a single dog tag, no other information. it could take months if not years to identify the remains. dan springer live in honolulu where the vice president mike pence will be on hand for a ceremony to mark the arrival of the remains. hello, dan. >> this is a big deal to many americans, including vice president pence whose son is in the marine corps now and his father was a korean war hero. he fought in the war and honored with a bronze star. this is important today to anyone who has wore the uniform. it shows how far the u.s. government will go to bring its war dead home. we had the pleasure to meet a bunch of veterans. they get together every tuesday and been doing it the last 20 years. ten of them will take part in
the ceremony as part of the honor guard. among them, herb shriner. his younger brother, alan, killed in the war. his body did come home. however, more than 7,600 did not. >> i know how it feels to have somebody that lost their lives for freedom to come home. i feel it. i feel bad for those that cannot identify to receive their dead or brothers when they come home. >> today's ceremony will take place in about four hours from now. about a mile away from where we are. then they'll be brought back here, the remains brought back to this building behind me. this is where the real work will begin. this is where the defense powmia accounting agency or dpaa, will get to work to try to identify the remains of those brought home. they're the best of the best in
the world doing that. since they have one dog tag, they will use a lot of science including dna. dna has been used to identify positively about 60% of the cases. it's a painstaking process that the people that do this know matters. >> one of the few countries in the world that spends this efforts and time and money to bring closure to our military families. each one of those families has been made a promise by the u.s. military to come home. we're the end of that promise. >> the dpaa has many sets of remains in their building here all the way back to world war ii and they will get through the work of trying to identify the new 55 boxes. the 55 boxes may contain perhaps hundreds of individual service members killed in the korean war. shep? >> shepard: dan springer,
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this border wall. in the 7 of 12 bills, none of which address the homeland security spending bill, which is where the wall money would reside. they passed 7 of 12. the president threatened in march to not approve another big bill like they did back then. the omnibus. what they're doing, taking a volkswagen approach here, the mini buses where they put a batch of three bills together. one group, legislative branch, the v.a. the bill they passed today, 98-6 with the department of energy and the interior department. agricultural spending. so what they're doing is doing the mini buses. they're not going to get to that homeland security bill until later. this is the gop message. we're going to work in august. we get the spending bills done. the problem is the president is tramping on their message which leaves chuck schumer very upset.
>> we're working in a remarkably smooth bipartisan way. we hope that is a predent of things to come. we hope to work together and not let outside forces mess that up, not to mention any names. >> our immigration system is completely broken and he's begging and has been for can congress, particularly democrats, to step up and do their jobs, stop kicking the ball down the field and work with him to fix our system. it's that simple. >> again, this was the approach by senate republicans to work and try to pass some of these bills in good faith to show the president that they were passing these pieces of legislation and still he's stepping on their message. when the president talks about a government shut down, i remember talking to a republican congressman some years ago, the tactics of forcing a government shut down to get your way. trying to force a government shut down for political games is like trying to break dance
around nitroglycerin. >> shepard: are republicans expressing concern about this talk of a government shut down? >> absolutely. i talked to richard shelby yesterday from alabama. he called the president's approach mind boggling. this would seem to affect house republicans more significantly. there's 40 plus open seats there. if you have a government shut down before the mid-terms, that's a problem. might not affect the senate as much because the field favors democrats over republicans. a lot of folks said we had a government shut down in 2013, 2014 in the mid-terms. we won the most seats in the house. we seized back control of the senate there. what is the problem? the difference is doing this before the mid-terms what in a government shut down happens just as they're trying to confirmed brett kavanaugh to the court? two ways you can read this. you have a shut down and they
have stepped on the message again. maybe he's not confirmed by october 1. mitch mcconnell said that could drift into october and sets it back a couple weeks. they're playing with fire here with a potential government shut down, especially as it pertains to brett kavanaugh. >> shepard: chad, you're the man. thank you. coming up, the family of a missing college student molly tibbets speaking to fox news. we'll hear from her boyfriend and what he has to say about how he's been demonized since she's disappeared. flames on a plane never good. what started a fire on a packed passenger jet next. ♪motorcycle revving ♪ motorcycle revving ♪motorcycle revving ♪ motorcycle revving ♪ no matter who rides point,
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us about her life and things that he believes we should know. >> i've been telling people, you know, the genius of molly was her ability to make everything about other people, to be generally honest and asking questions. maybe not talking aboutherself, that's what really endeared her to have everyone in the community. >> molly's boyfriend, dalton jack, also talked to fox ne. molly had been staying there at his home to wat the dogs when acco the stement. police the laste anydy saw her that we know of was during the run. dalton, the boyfriend, says his family is not worried about molly worried about him as well. >> i've extremely worried about me and, you know, the way the public is, yow, demonized me a little bit. evybody is thinkingbo me after this is all over and she's
back safe. >> shepard: we're focusing on her. po theave gotte more than 200 leads about where molly might be and the police have thanked the news media for their efforts to publicize this. hi, eric. >> molly tibbets is 20 years old and vanished near brooklyn, iowa. an hour east of des moines. a heart breaking story. a student at the university of iowa. last seen jogging at night. she lived at her boyfriend's house for the summer. she's an avid jogger and regularly ran 40 minutes a day. law enforcement ruled out anything by her boyfriend, dalton jacks. he was in dubuque at the time that molly was said to disappear. they were scheduled to be in the dominican republic. they were high school sweet hearts. his family says any suspicions about him are wrong. >> i don't want to go racking it
through my brain thing what happened, what happened. just driving myself insane. i know everybody else around here is. you have to lead by example. i love you and i miss you and i want you to come home. >> it's heart breaking to go through what he and the family has been going through. >> shepard: tell us more about the search. >> the search is continuing and going on ever since she first vanished. friends and neighbors and others have gathered. they've been going through corn fields and big farms. volunteers and the number has been growing. molly's family hoping for any information that can help bring her back. authorities say her disappearance and their words are "not consistent with her past." >> everyone knows everyone. everyone talks to everyone. you can't do anything there without someone seeing it. so we need to get that person or persons to come forward with that information so we're getting the message out. the bottom line is, somebody
knows something. >> who is that somebody? molly's father says no amount of information is too small that people should come forward to police. >> shepard: thanks, eric shawn. wild fire alert. crews are trying to get a handle on one of the most destructive fires in california history. the fire in the northern part of the state has destroyed 1,000 homes. it happened around the city of redding. it's forcing nearly 40,000 people to leave their homes. the fires killed at least six people so far and just one of more than a dozen big fires burning in california right now. the fox business network's hillary vaughn is live in redding. hillary? >> shepard, some of the 32,000 evacuees are waiting to get back in their neighborhoods. there's pockets of devastation that look like this behind me where the houses are completely
levelled. you may see a chimney a door frame. everything else ash. homes are a shell of the home still exists. there may be valuables inside. cal fire posted signs to prevent residents sifting through what valuables may be left behind. there's some hunting trophies that sur 5ed the fire. there's some sets of tools. again, residents completely blocked from going inside. the culprit behind this devastation is the carr fire, the sixth most damaging fire in california history. i went to the fire line to get a look. here's what i saw i. >> what you see burning behind me is the carr fire. it's the sixth most destructive in california history. it's 35% con taped. it all started by a car breaking
down on the side of the road. engine fire, setting up sparks and igniting what is called a monster. it's so erratic and volatile. firefighters are having a hard time beating back the flames. it's killed six people, including two firefighters and it's wiped out entire neighborhoods and whipped up a fire tornado that terrorized the community of redding. >> shepard, that smoke that you saw hit any face is the wind changing directions erratically. that's what's causing these firefighters a lot of challenges. overall, the state has spent $119 million just on fire suppression. not the cost of the two structures that has been lost. that's almost a quarter of the fire budget and we're a month into the budget. shepard? >> shepard: thanks, hillary. a priest on board a plane that crashed in mexico says the weather was so bad, he thought the pilot might call off the flight. that's what he told one of the
producers on this program. the aero mexico flight crashed at take off during a storm of hail, rain and strong winds and every person on board survived. it happened in durango state, about 500 miles north and west of mexico city. the priest says he broke his arm but is okay and is calling the outcome a miracle. the governor there says all 99 passengers and four crew made it out alive. the pilot was seriously hurt. some images for you in the slide show this afternoon. the pictures are incredible. i was looking at this on my phone. like how in the world did everybody survive this thing? red cross workers here carrying somebody on a stretcher. airline workers are walking away from the burning wreckage. rescuers took dozens to the possible mostly with minor injuries. firefighters rushed to the scene. the plane crashed in a field near the airport. experts say they're not
surprised everybody survived. they say airports are designed with fields around them in case something like this happened. it certainly looks like it broke in half and there's a fire. so i don't know. here's some passengers walking through that field to red cross workers that got to the scene quickly, we're told. analysts say companies are making planes with new improvements to make survival more likely. they've made seats stronger and now use less flammable material. here's smoke billowing in the sky as passengers walked away. anita vogel with more. an amazing story. >> yeah. eye witnesses say they saw the plane dropping rapidly from the sky. you can imagine the panic all the way around. as you mentioned, weather reports indicated is severe scattered storms. the governor of durango says the
plane was hit by a sudden gust of wind that caused a sudden descent. the wing hit the ground and two engines came off. the aircraft made an emergency landing. air 5 people suffered injuries. 49 people were taken to the hospital. there was fire and a lot of smoke, but people managed to get out anyway they could. i'll read one of the spanish translations here. a passenger said a hole opened behind us. i unbuckled my son's seat belt and got out that way. we jumped. the back was full of smoke and more people were trapped. that's an eye witness account from one passenger. apparently the pilot was the most seriously injured person requiring a surgery. even he is expected to recover. as far as the safety record of this airline, aero mexico, its last deadly accident was in 1981
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let's say you get diagnosed with cancer. you could be hit with high costs. the plan will be cheaper the affordable care act is $393. the short term policy is cheaper, around $124. still doesn't cover everything. could be eligible in october. that's when they plan on releasing it. >> shepard: kristina partsinevelos, thanks. apple could be the first u.s. public company to be worth $1 trillion. so if you had invested $2,500 in the company in 1984, you would have made more than a million dollars by now. let's see apple is trading at the moment. up close to 6%. 5.38% on the session at 201.38 usd. susan lee is here. >> the stock is $2 away from
crossing the trillion dollar mark, right? last night they put in strong numbers. there's this transition period where you pay for apple phone and i pay, apple tv, the itunes. the i services. giving cash back to investors, this is a perfect storm. that's why you're looking at the shares rallying big. >> there was a time when they cut back on the production. shifting to the eight and praises going down. people wondering is apple not going to exceed their goals? yes, exceeded them. >> yes. that's why the average selling price went up. we have a new iphone cycle coming up. >> shepard: and they're worried about tariffs in china. >> yes.
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california, not even they secede, all federal lands in california from the southern border of mexico to oregon will be given to native americans creating what organizers call the first autonomous native american native in california. "why not do something wrong to right the native americans and give them back their land." and claims "it will have a minute mammal -- minimal impact on california." and now louis marinelli and his supporters have until october to gather signatures of registered voters to put the proposal up for a vote, shep. >> shepard: there's politics
involved here. >> yes, surprise surprise. certainly in the eyes of number of calixax, the plan would create a "buffer zone" between donald trump's america and the new independent california republic. most of the federal land being handed over to native americans under this proposal would be on what might be considered the more conservative leaning section of california. and marinelli disagreed saying our campaign is not motivated by the political power in washington. we're motivated by the fact that california is a distinct society with the capability to govern itself. this campaign is different than the proposal to split california into three, which was blocked by the california supreme court, which said it was to different to be dealt with in a ballot
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pretty much even is a big deal and it's actually a very interesting district, you have well-off suburbs of columbus and you have places where i spent some time and it's a former industrial power house that's on hard times right now, the average income there is about half of what it is in the rest of america, so, you know, it's reliably republican district with a lot of people that have different concerns and, yeah, the republicans are very worried right now and his approval rating in this district is 46% approved, 49 disapprove and, of course, as you know, midterms are often a referendum on the president and so it's a very tight race and i think republicans are very nervous because this is the last special election before the midterms and so everybody in the country is watching this race to figure out prediction of what will happen come november. >> is it risky for the president to go in there, what if the republican loses, will people be eager in washington to blame the
president for it? >> well, people are always eager to blame anyone but themselves, mike. maybe president trump has something to do with it, but you also have to look at how enthusiastic the republicans in this district are and fundraising, danny o'connor is way outracing troy balderson, the democrats way more enthusiastic and look at early voting, this is one of the reasons republicans have to be nervous, in the previous elections, republicans cast the majority of early votes, right now it's looking like people registered as democrats have cast the majority of early votes, so, you know, the momentum is not with the republicans you know e trump has to do what he can and he's going to go there and, of course, everyone will be watching, the question is will he make an argument for troy balderson or will he talk about other things and i have to say, you know, danny o'connor campaign asking quite clever, donald trump mentioned the tax cuts and -- in his two tweets, well, danny
o'connor has interesting argument to make, he's a moderate democrat, this is a a bit of moderate seat, he's not focusing on hey, the president is giving you some of your money back, no, no, this adds to debt and it's going to drive up taxes for your kids, for your grandkids, this is not an argument democrats tend to politic, it's an argument you normally hear from conservative republican, so it's a very interesting race all around i have to say. >> the winner won't have much time to celebrate, they'll face off again in november, right? >> and it's interesting you have the same two candidates facing off in november because the primary is early this year, they counted for both and so we are going to see a bit of a repeat of it and it's interesting to see what republicans think is going to work and what democrats think is going to work, republicans they're not really able -- not focusing on the economy and i can't figure out why, as you know the numbers have been incredible, instead
they are trying to paint danny as pelosi puppet, he said he will not vote for nancy pelosi as speaker. chris matthews on hardball asked him in 7 times and if push came to shove he would vote for pelosi, it's a pretty weak argument. why do on the defense, go on offense and talk about the economy, talk about the job's numbers and i don't know why republicans aren't doing that. mike: listening very carefully to the president's message carefully in battleground ohio, tharchción for your -- thanks for your time. >> thanks mike. mike: we will be in ohio for the president's rally schedule today begin at 6:30 p.m. eastern time then we will bring you live reaction right after with a brand-new episode of water's world at 8:00. >> well, the paul manafort bank fraud trial wrapped up first week yesterday, along going on with testimony from one of the accountants who said she falsified tax documents for the former trump campaign chair and
as the special's counsel russia investigation widens, the president is doubling down on his rhetoric. gillian turner has more on this. >> latest development in tax and bank fraud trial played out yesterday in courtroom in arlington, virginia outside of the nation's capital, she filed tax returns she believed may have contained false information. she also acknowledged that doing so probably amounted to criminal activity. admitted she had a sense that manafort lie today her about where money being transferred into his political consulting business was coming from. this is the first time a witness in the trial this week admitted to potential wrongdoing, the mueller team now trying to prove manafort improperly listed millions of dollars of income as loans in order to avoid paying income tax and that it was kept hidden from the irs in a legal overseas account. meanwhile president trump creating some russia investigation news of his own this week when he escalated his attacks on what he calls the
the investigation concludes. laura. >> thank you so much. for more on this we want to talk about attorney, director of national security law of policy program at george mason university and former chief counsel and senior adviser for the senate foreign relations, great to have you here on this very important topic. >> thanks, laura. laura: a lot of legal observers have noticed how quickly and prosecutors calling more than a dozen witnesses to the stand since it began tuesday and i was reading over the weekend that the courthouse pushes out rocket dockets because of how quickly they move through cases, is that what's happening here s this case unique? >> well, look, judge elliot is putting pressure on the prosecution to move the case along, they made it clear they shouldn't focus on the trappings of mr. manafort's lavish lifestyle but the charges at stake which are the bank fraud
charges. we haven't seen the defense case. they will focus on rick gates and his role that's cooperating with the prosecution. we will see what they have to say about rick gates when they get a chance to make up their case. laura: some of the allegations predate the presidential election, president trump voicing frustration on twitter just this week calling manafort's prosecution a hoax going as far that he's being treated worst than al cra spoken, still underlying that there was possible access and opportunity for influence from the prorussia ukrainian officials that manafort was in contact with while working as lobbyist and political consultant and want to reset that point. how do you think prosecutors will do with that part. we are talking about tax charges, what about that part? >> look, the tide to the russia probe is tangent and focus on bank and fraud charges, that being said, the prorussia party as you mentioned, the sources income, why was he hiding it. all that being said, the
president is really the one himself who is drawing the tide to this and unfortunately bringing this into the russia orbit, i think the president's focusing on his own agenda instead of getting involved in mueller investigation. the president is going to be out there tonight, we will see what he does. i predict against his own sort of -- against own benefit he will talk more about the trial and more about the investigation. laura: i bet you're right. let's talk art richard gates for a minute who call prosecution's star witness, manafort's long-time business society and former trump campaign adviser as well. what can he -- what will the impact of testimony bring to all of this, a lot of people wait to go hear what he has to say? >> he was right in the middle of the whole thing, he was involved in bank accounts and all the money coming from ukraine. that being said, you know, the defense is going to say, look, he was involved, it was his fault, he's the one and how cooperating to get a sweetheart
deal. we will see how that one against the other thing plays out. but i expect rick gates to be credible witness and the defense will undermine him. laura: i want to thank you so much for your time and expertise on this, we will keep you in mind because this is going to keep going, thank you. >> thanks, laura. mike: firefighters in california working latest on efforts to contain the flames and what nature has in store out west when it comes to the long-term forecast, plus kim jong un holding up promises he made to president trump at the singapore summit? new images seem to suggest that north has not stopped nuclear program, we are live with reaction next. >> the process of achieving denuclearization in the north korean peninsula is one that i think we have all known will take some time but i must say, through my meetings here, the world is united in seeing this achieved alright, i brought in new max protein
conference in singapore. >> any violation will be something that america would take very seriously. laura: kitty logan live in london with the latest, hi, kitty. >> essentially this is all about fine-tuning the details of the denuclearization deals which agreed back in singapore in june, now today secretary of state mike pompeo wants international community to keep up economic pressure to enforce the agreement, he said he was confident it would eventually work out. >> we are determined to do if chairman kim is committed to doing it. i'm optimistic that we will get this done in the timeline and the world will celebrate what the un security council has demanded. >> so north korea is still under sanctions over nuclear program and according to a new un report
pyongyang is continuing to develop weapons despite ban and as long as that is happening those sanctions will not be lifted and this is what has angered north korea and foreign minister said that his government and after the meeting today, he then criticized the u.s. for not relieving the sanctions, something pyongyang desperately wants to happen, now the u.s. delegation handed over letter to north korea and neither kim jong un or president trump, didn't disclose details but we are expecting there to be more talk for north korea in the future in the weeks and months to come, laura. laura: live in london, thanks so much. mike. mike: fox news alert, more evacuation orders in california as devastating wild fires continue to burn across the golden state unrelenting heat and dry weather make making it harder to put out the flames, we
have fox team coverage, jeff paul following the story from west coast news room and adam klotz with the forecast, first let's go to jeff paul live in los angeles with the latest. hi, jeff. >> hi, mike, yeah, home after pretty much home burned to the ground throughout neighborhoods from the carr fire, within a few minutes jerry brown will tour the damages in that area and meet with crew who is are battling on the front lines of the flames. according to government agency that tracks major fires right now firefighters are battling at least 89 wild fires across ten states, the hardest hit area at the moment is in northern california. that's where the carr fire killed 6 people, destroyed more than 1,000 homes and now considered one of the worst wild fires in state history. carr fire estimates in california alone more than 14,000 firefighters are working 17 large wild fires and if so far burned half a million acres.
>> there's a lot of us that are saying our prayers that this escapes us. mother nature's, she decides to come this way, that's -- the firemen don't have much to say about it. >> now due to extreme fire dangers that weekend, new evacuations were ordered for areas north of san francisco, a pair of fires known as the complex fires have burned more than 150,000 acres and at the moment it's only 27% contained. we are also hearing there's so much smoke from the ferguson fire the air quality and parts of yosemite seemed to be worst than beijing china, sections of yosemite could open monday that's only if conditions improver, mike. mike: jeff paul live from los angeles, let's hope and pray they get relief, looking ahead at the fore cost meteorologist adam klotz live from extreme weather center, hi, adam. >> what you really want in a
situation like this is some kind of rain here is your satellite and radar and things are mostly clear, really across the entire western half of the country and it continues to be hot. you get the low humidity, you get the dry conditions and the heat and you start to see the red flag warnings and we have them from northern california where a lot of the fires are but stretching back to nevada all the way to colorado, entire area, windy, low humidity, fire danger with warnings in place and the temperatures just continue to stay high, the highs today up and down the state of california close the to the 100-degrees. gets hotter in monday forecast, so 102-degrees in redding, unfortunately for poll incomes western half of the country, no relief in sight. the story across the eastern country too much rain, that rain lifting a little farther to the north and looking at heaviest showers following in new england where there's been off and on
flooding system, it's training and dropping a bunch of rain as it moves and as a result, mike, you're seeing some of the areas where we have flash flood watches in place. you're in this area, all of this rain pushing offshore, you should be clearing off here about 7 or 8 this evening and we are going to be clear here through overnight hours, mike. >> let's hope the rain stops in dc area soon. laura: suspected gunman suspected wanted and killing cardiologist, what we are learning about his motive ahead. plus the trump's administration effort to end daca coming to a standstill after a federal judge ruled that the government must fully restore the program. we will look at the fallout next. >> our immigration system is completely broken and he's begging and has been more
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court is not holding that dhs cannot terminate the program, it's holding that you didn't give us a sufficient reason. >> the administration claims then president obama did not have the constitutional authority to start the daca program, that claim is not enough, that claiming a prior policy is illegal with the, quote, hodgepodge of i logical policy assertions simply will not do and if the department of homeland security wands to rescind the program it must give a rational explanation for its decision. dhs provided memo explaining their decision but that the memo, quote, failed to elaborate meaningful on the agency's primary rationale for its decision, the judgment that the policy was unlawful and unconstitutional, goes onto say that while the memo offers several additional policy grounds for daca, most of the simply repackaged legal arguments previously made and hints are insufficiently independent from the agency's
evaluation of daca legality to preclude judicial review and support the decision, the administration has 20 days to appeal the ruling, beats is a republican appointed judge in april he became the third judge to rule against the administration's decision to end daca, his most recent ruling upholds his other ruling from april. mike. mike: ellison barber live in nation's capitol, thanks a lot. laura. >> president trump hitting campaign trail in special election house race that's drawing major national attention from both republicans and democrats this as the trump administration faces mounting pressure from conservative supporters to fullfill campaign promise to build border wall. here is the president on thursday at a rally in pennsylvania. >> we started the wall, 1.6 billion, we are fixing walls all over the border and we will
start to get nasty over the wall. the democrats, anything i want, it's not even the republicans, i don't know they care about -- they care about me, they are very concerned. anything i want they want to oppose. you know, i justifying youred out how to do the wall, i will say i don't want to build the wall and they will insist on building it. we will be taking some very tough actions, i don't know if it's before the election or after the election, a lot of the republicans say and they are good, they are good, we need more republicans but their friends of mine, they say, president, you know, some of them are really tough guys and they said, sir, we are better if we wait till after, i said it's better before, i'm torn myself, i would certainly prefer before, whether it's before or after we are either getting it or closing down government. laura: all right, let's bring in our panel to discuss, doug, former u.s. senate candidate and executive director at
restoration pack and also with robin, former obama regional field director and democratic strategists, welcome to you both. okay, well, doug, what do you see as the true political consequences of the president's threat of shutdown before the midterms if conditions are not met on border security and the wall, pretty big talk there? >> it really is, i think it's important to make the point to conservatives especially the base that this is one of the main reasons that president trump got elected and we have to conservatives have to deliver on this and i think president trump knows that and it's important too that just last month cbs put out a poll, 51% of americans are in favor of the wall, so this is something that most americans want and understand it's needed and if we go to government shutdown, the other thing most americans understand is any time there's shutdown talk, the liberal media and the democrats talk like the sky is going to fall, well, it doesn't, a lot of things continue on inside, military gets paid, social
security checks, different things will happen regardless of a government shutdown and when we get back to business as usual but i think it's that important that we work on this wall because it's something that obviously the president's base wants and i think a majority of americans want as well. laura: it's been a top priority, for sure, robin, what if he could get the wall started and prove to voters that he's able to keep promise, many say he's doing? >> and he is, i don't disagree with it, it's something i agree with doug, it's something that he has to deliver on his base, the only problem i see for him specifically and republicans in the house and senate is having this push right before the midterms. i honestly genuinely feel this would hurt them in midterms if there's government shutdown, it won't hurt donald trump, but it
would the -- everyone down ballot and if he loses majority in house or senate that will actually hurt donald trump. i'm genuinely concerned here. laura: a lot of people have been looking at that point. gop leaders in congress have been warning that standoff would bring more chaos, the timing couldn't be worse ahead of midterms, why not just wait? >> well, i think that the argument is definitely out there but i think that president trump has the right instincts on this, this is what it looks like when you elect a businessman as president, he needs to get back to the core of really one of the main reasons he got elected and i think this is it and i do believe too with the economy going so strongly now, there's been a lot of policy success that is the president has had and do think the independentance recognize that and whether we go to a government shutdown and he gets what he wants in that way or not, i think that there's a lot of momentum on our side that just really isn't being reported on. he has to look at the economy, it's going very well, foreign policy, things have been more
quiet in a long time, a lot independents will say, it's one way during obama, republicans are in charge, looking pretty good, we had a government shutdown for a little bit, we came back, nobody wants the shutdown but you have to be willing to do it, i think now is the time. laura: you bring up a good point, a lot of people are also saying why not just focus on the economy for right now because it is going to well and there are numbers to back that up, of course, robin, the president, you know, worried that the democrats -- could he worry that the democrats would turn back on him if he does not deliver on the promise? , i i mean, continuing question that a lot of people want an answer too. >> there's a lot of finger pointing and i don't necessarily like that. he made so many promises on the campaign trail that méxico would pay and to us democrats he seems that he's holding the american taxpayers hostage unless we convince the american taxpayers to pay, so that's where we've got a problem and we are trying to work through some things, he
proposed some really good ideas to maybe work with us on nonmonetary issues such as the -- end rg diversity lottery visa program and maybe working on chain migration, so i think that's somewhere where we will work with him on. laura: do you think he's taking the route because it's his only shot because the democrat could be the next speaker, he wants to do this so that he can make this last volley? >> go ahead, robin. >> yeah, i do think that's kind of the pitch, i think they are worried about losing the majority, so this is a tactic. it could work but it's, you know, it's a tactic and kind of a scary one to me. >> i think that maybe part of the calculus here but i think he's had good success moving forward as quickly as he can, a lot of things that have happened and he needs to keep on that momentum and if the base will
stick with them and independents will be fine with that. laura: thank you so much for being with us today, we will keep talking about this as the days and months progress, see you later. mike: the man suspected of killing a houston cardiologist is dead, investigators saying the suspect shot himself when he was cornered by police in southwest neighborhood of the city. bryan llenas live from new york city news room with details, hi, brian. >> two week-manhunt for shooter suspected of murdering doctor in broad daylight is now over, 62-year-old joseph shot himself in head in front of home on friday after police officer confronted him. he was wearing a bullet proof vest, backpack and talking about suicide, a second officer arrived at scene and that's when he shot himself in the head with a reinvolver, police believe he was riding back as he shot doctor on july 20th hitting him
three times, the doctor who once treated former president george h.w. bush killed while riding back to work as houston methodist hospital. police had been searching for shooter for the last two weeks, on tuesday they searched home and they found boxes of 22 caliber ammunition, the same kind found at house connect's murder scene and they found a detailed file on the doctor, pappas collected personal information about his home and work. police also found a last will and testament left behind by pappas at his home and list of flames, doctors and employees that worked at the hospital though investigators would not call it a hit list, worked as peace officer for more than a decade in houston, they believe he targeted doctor because of possible 20-year grudge. >> the only connection we have found and the only explanation we can -- that we have found to
date and we put a lot of work into this is the fact that doctor operated on suspect's mother over 20 years ago and she died in operating table. >> surveillance played role in henning manhunt. surveillance captured fleeing murder scene and surveillance from metro bus captured the entire murder, doctor was described as humble and generous man who practiced for 40 years, he was 65 year's old, mike. mike: bryan llenas, thanks a lot. laura: u.s. intelligence officials presenting a united front sending a clear message that they are ready to block any attempts of interference from russia or outside forces as the administration looks to meet the threat of election meddling ahead of november's election, how they plan to boost election security coming up next. >> our democracy itself is in the cross hairs, free and fair
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messaging campaign by russia to try to weaken and divide the united states. mike: white house taking head-on approach in confronting russian efforts to interfere in elections, the government working with state and local officials as top intelligence officers warn the threat of election interference is not going away. joining me now is dave, vice president threat and research, dave, great to have you here. >> good to be here. mike: friends axios asked security folks and what keeps them up at night a well-executed could knock out power grid or compromise vital government or financial data and leave us unsure what is real, your thoughts? >> so i called this the most dangerous but not the most likely scenario in cyberspace.
if there was any doubt about the nature and credibility about the cyber this week than has certainly been, what we are seeing is two lines of operations that are being, they are playing out in parallel by the russians, the first is strategic influence campaign, right, this has been well documented to begin way ahead of the 2016 presidential elections, it is an effort, strategic effort by the russians to discord doubt and division among the american electorate, it's obvious that the united states is more divided then that's an advantage for russia, second line of operation that's being stuck is cyber campaign targeted at industrial control systems, the lifeline sectors that provide energy, the telecommunications, water services to our citizens and our governments, so you have two very different campaigns, as far as the possibility of a cascading electrical blackout
that was discontinued earlier this week, possible, not likely. we know the russians have the capability to disrupt electric generation and distribution power, they have done it in the ukraine, the question is do they have the intent to do it in the united states, do they have the capacity technically to do it on a scale that would result in cascading blackouts and the latter we are not quite seeing yet. >> this week facebook shut down accounts, facebook publicly wasn't calling out the russians, maybe they were behind closed doors but a lot of law make eshes i talked to on -- lawmakers i talked to on the hill are saying russia, et cetera. >> a slightly different situation than in 2016. in 2016 the efforts were focused on a single office, the oval office. >> sure. >> in midterm elections we have much more hyperlocal campaign cycle and election cycle, we are
talking about legislative districts and that's going to involve different tactics than the russian. there's been a lot of attention on facebook, a lot of attention on twitter and rightly so over the last couple of years, indeed that was the primary battleground for the russian influence campaign. i expect to see the russian shift tactics a little bit away from the traditional social media forms, after all that's where everybody is looking, and facebook has done great deal of work to increase platform and more towards local forums, vlogs, things that influence voters on very local issues that we are seeing play out in midterm cycle. mike: so you talked about the efforts to go after key infrastructure, what are we doing to stop? >> we are doing a lot. as you said at the top of the segment, the administration came out in full force today earlier this week on monday in new york city, the secretary of homeland security hosted an event ahead
of cyber command and secretary perry of the department of energy, it's clear that all hands are on deck to recognize this threat where it is and deal with it in a common posture. here is what's happening right now, i call it kind of short of war activities and the pentagon calls this intelligence preparation of the operational environment, right, which is in cyberspace and also in the realm as well, the russians are analyzing our systems, gathering intelligence, traditional operations -- >> probing. >> kind of probing and prepositioning assets within our critical infrastructure in the event of heightened tensions between the u.s. and russia. as i said earlier, i don't think they have the access now to be able to effect cascading blackouts but we did learn earlier this week that they had direct access to controlled panel at electrical distribution site. so it's real and it's in their
interest to continue to expand their access. >> and in remaining time, what is being done to secure midterm election where is the focus is not the white house but all the congressional races across the country? >> thankfully a lot. as the secretary professional this is really where the rubber hits the road, when i was cto of new jersey i personally worked very closely with the department of homeland and our state and local officials after all elections are administered at the state and local level, there's a lot of information sharing taking place between those levels of government and actual hardening of the systems, that is the election systems themselves as well as the voter registration databases which we know are prime target for the russians. >> thank you, thanks for your time. >> well, the same for missing college student enters its third week as investigators comb through evidence related to disappearance, we are live in iowa with the latest details
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with the very latest on the search. >> hi, laura, 20-year-old university of iowa student was supposed to be at a wedding in dominican republic this week. this afternoon the reward for molly has risen to $220,000, family has partnered with crime stoppers to raise the money because they tell us they believe molly is alive and being held captive somewhere. police and family acknowledging that molly could be anywhere right now especially because of the small town's proximity to interstate 80. she was last seen jogging on july 18th, molly's mother describes how she's making it through this ago -- agony. >> sometimes i feel her sitting on my shoulder and molly was an incredible strong young woman and i don't know that i have the strength in me but molly's lending me her strength every
day, every night and, yes, i have my moments of complete meltdowns. >> police have been extremely quiet in this case. as of this afternoon, there are no named suspects and no leads in this case right now. back to you, laura. laura: all right, thank you so much for that report, we will continue to keep our thoughts and prayers going for this case, thank you. mike: that will do it for us, it was fast, wasn't it, laura? lauren: we got a lot of news to get to, back at 4:00 p.m. eastern for more news. the journal editorial report is next. mike: see you later. claritin and relief from symptoms caused by over 200 allergens. like those from buddy. because stuffed animals are clearly no substitute for real ones. feel the clarity. and live claritin clear. whenshe was pregnant,ter failed, in-laws were coming,
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in a moment, we're going it talk about new reporting there is a sense of uncertainty throughout the trump legal team over don mcgahn and what exactly he's been telling the special counsel. but we begin through the looking glass. >> why is everybody so obsessed with the president of the united states they can't even begin or finish a sentence without mentioning his name five times? it's kind of weird. >> that's an interesting question to answer. part of the issue is stories keep evolving, like when the president's son met with natalia veselnitskaya at trump tower. >> the trump tower meeting itself is at least evidence of you better investigate. >> it's not. >> how is it not? >> well, because the meeting was originally for the purpose of getting information about, about clinton. the meeting turned into a meeting -- >> which in it tefl self was atd collusion. the meeting was intended to get dirt on clinton from a kremlin
lawyer. that was the intention of the meeting. you just said it. >> that was the original intention of the meeting. it turned out to be a meeting of another subject and it was not pursued at all. >> and even the question of whether the president played a role in drafting a statement about that meeting has changed from no to yes. thou those specifics are damning enough. the overarching reality is this administration repeatedly insists you are entitled to your own facts. >> you're saying it's a falsehood and they're giving sean spicer our press secretary give alternative facts to that. >> i think it's very important to point out that in a situation like this, you have over time facts develop. >> fact counting is anything we've never had anybody with a level of audacity he has, not even close. we'll leave it there -- >> it's in the eye of the beholder. >> no, facts are not in the eye of the beholder. you're always welcome to argue the case. >> just remember what you're seeing is what you're reading is not what's happening. >> truth is truth.
i don't mean do go like -- >> no, it isn't truth. truth isn't truth. the president of the united states says i didn't -- >> truth isn't truth, mr. mayor, do you realize -- this is going to bad meme. >> don't do this to me. >> don't do truth isn't truth to me. >> joining me on set, chief correspondent for the washington post, dan balls. ken dilanian, former special assistant to the president and former press secretary for vice-president pence mike lauder. and white house reporter for the washington post sung min kim. thank you all for being here. i hardly know where to begin on this evening. but, dan balls, since you have spent many, many years, watched many presidents do this, have you ever seen before this kind of dissembling around what is true and what is not true in your time as a reporter covering washington? >> no, i don't think anybody has. we've seen presidents who have dissembled occasionally. we've seen administrations that have lied. we know that that is sometimes
part and parcel to the way they approach things, but we've never seen it on the scale and consistency of this white house and this administration. and i think what we saw with mayor giuliani today was just another example of that. >> i think we actually have, if i can ask my executive producer ben to play that clip of giuliani. >> truth isn't truth. >> one more time. >> truth isn't truth. >> yeah, just so we're clear, mark lauder, do you agree? >> what i think -- >> it's a yes or no question. >> what i think rudy giuliani is talking about is that sometimes we have a lot of facts that are brought together to create an incomplete and not accurate conclusion. we've seen this time and time again -- >> does this administration -- when you take an oath, you sit down in front of a jury or a judge or at a congressional committee. you say, i promise to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
is that a statement that can no longer apply in government? if you listen to all these things many administration officials have said, it sure seems that way. >> i can what you'think what yo though, is you can take the facts -- and facts are facts. but if you reach a wrong conclusion by stringing a bunch of them together, then that's still the wrong conclusion. in a way it's like a brown novel. we're picking a bunch of facts to create an entertaining and fictional conclusion. i think that's what rudy giuliani is getting at. >> i don't think the argument there was anyone was trying to say there was already a conclusion, but rather that there have been several very specific events that have facts associated with them, the administration has said one thing and another thing has turned out to be true. right? >> yes, there have been, there have been times when the information has changed and the story has changed. >> okay. so, i want to kind of dig into this a little bit further just because i think it's really important because this level of casualness with the truth has permeated all levels of our
politics. there is texas congressman blake farenthold who resigned after using government money to settle sexual harassment claims, in a deposition and documents obtained by the huffington post, he claimed, quote, the f-tards won. when the republican governor of texas asked farenthold to pay for the election to pay for his seat, he talked about deep state and being the victim of a political witch hunt. there is the case of melissa howard running for a state house seat in florida. reports said she did not actually have a college degree, more fake news. and posted to social media the truth shall set yourself free and distributed this photo of herself with a diploma. the university of ohio steps in and said, no, she doesn't have one, doesn't exist. days later, she withdrew from the race. sung min kim, you and i are on capitol hill most days
talking to lawmakers, a wide variety of whom, you know, have decent relationships with the truth. what's your sense of how much this erosion of what we can blee believe and what we can't is setting in? >> i think there is clearly -- has been a rising distrust in the media for awhile. let's be honest, the hasn't always had the highest approval ratings with the public. i think there is this rising skepticism from the public about what we are disseminating, what lawmakers are telling us, and a lot of that frankly has come from the president. this was something he did during the campaign, you know, using the media as his foil, calling us fake news. we saw in one of the clips earlier in a recent public eenlt, eenl event, you know, he sadie essentially don't believe all you hear. so i think lawmakers are seeing the president's tactics toward the media. several of them are adopting it as their own.
>> ken dilanian, how much of this has a real impact on kind of the -- how the mueller investigation is going to play out? i mean, it does seem as though what this administration is trying to do in muddying the waters about the mueller investigation is sinking in with the public. >> in school i had a philosophy the truth was -- there were the conservatives who hated that argument. now the conservatives have adopted it. there is no one truth. this is a pretty cynical game in my view that is all aimed at what you just described, which is discrediting the mueller investigation for the audience that matters, which is the republican base and the senators and house members who are elected by that base who are going to eventually decide potentially on an impeachment motion and more importantly, a conviction in the senate which requires two-thirds. >> kasie, can we go back to giuliani for just a minute? >> sure. >> when he was talking with chuck on the program this morning, he was i think trying to say that jim comey says the
president told him to layoff mike flynn and the investigation. and the president says, no, i never said that. so he's saying, well, there is no truth. but that means there are two sides to a story, but there is truth. one of those people is telling the truth and one of those people is not telling the truth. >> or maybe they're both lying and there is a third version, but there is something that actually happened. >> there is truth. when mayor giuliani does what he does today, it is as ken says, an effort to muddy everything, and to discredit, as opposed to what he did as a prosecutor, which was to get at the truth. >> and just as an aside, you know who does that and is masterful at it? the russian government and russian intelligence services. that is their whole game against the west. you can't believe what you see in the media. there's relativism. it's what aboutism, there's no truth. they do it all the time. now the right, the alt-right is adopting that in our politics.
>> mark lauder, one last word response or you prefer we move along? >> i think there is, there is some relative we have to take a look at. i think we all, we all hold a certain amount of blame in this. i'll go back in october of, of last year where -- and i'll pull it off here. the george papadopoulos plea agreement was significantly enormous. it was more problematic than the gates and manafort indictments. he had already given up four other people. those were all things that were being talked about for 24/7 on cable news after the fact of a plea deal. now we know this week it was all insignificant. so we've got to be careful when we get into areas of prognosticating what we think is going to happen and what things mean and we find out the facts later are wrong. >> is that true? >> i wouldn't say it's insignificant. i think he didn't cooperate. at the end of the day they couldn't trust what he said. at the end of the day we had his
e-mail and phones. they know about his interaction with the russians and they know who in the campaign he shared information who had hillary clinton's e-mails. >> that is an argument to wait for robert mueller and the team to gather the facts and present conclusions while the president's team is clearly trying to prejudice exactly what american voters feel about those conclusions before any of us have them. we should move on now. meanwhile, president trump and his legal team are firing back at "the new york times" after the paper reported white house counsel don mcgahn has been cooperating stenson. little with robert mueller's inquiry. the paper reports, president trump's lawyers do not know just how much the white house counsel, donald mcgahn, told the special counsel's investigators during months of interviews. mr. mcgahn's lawyer has offered only a limiting -- limited accounting of what mr. mcgahn told the investigators. according to two people close to the president. that has prompted concern among mr. trump's advisors that mr. mcgahn's statements could help serve as a key component for a damning report by the
special counsel robert mueller. here's rudy giuliani again on "meet the press" this morning. >> john dowd yesterday said, i'll use his words rather than mine, that mcgahn was a strong witness for the president. so i don't need to know much more about that. they don't have collusion or conspiracy as brennan pointed out. and -- >> how do you know that? you say this so definitively. how do you know they don't? >> i know they don't because, look, this whole mcgahn thing leaked from them. if they had, if they had some kind of evidence that there was collusion or there was obstruction, don't you think it would have been leaked? i mean, they leak everything else. >> ken dilanian, what in your view is the significance of what we now know about the mcgahn testimony? and while, yes, the white house had been arguing as recently as this morning that they were fine with it, there were still information down in that story -- the first story at the times, mcgahn thought he was
potentially being set up. >> that was a jaw-dropping story. if they were fine with it they didn't read the story carefully. it made clear don mcgahn sees himself as the white house counselor lawyer protecting t office of the presidency and not donald trump. he thought he was trying to set him up. he made the decision to cooperate with robert mueller. went in there three times, 30 hours of interviews, and the white house does not know what he said. the story suggested that he talked about those episodes where trump was pressuring him to fire mueller and he was resisting because he knew it was improper. that could be damaging. he's the only witness that can give mueller this sort of intimate details of those exchanges. could be very important. >> dan balls, were you surprised by this, the john dean comparison in particular. you've seen this arc play out. that's a pretty striking historical comparison. >> it is. to have the white house counsel in a sense cooperating fully, even if blessed by the white house initially with the special prosecutor, and now to recognize
as they seem to tonight or earlier today that they didn't really know everything that he had to say. puts him in a very difficult position. i think it is a reminder the president's legal counsels throughout this, not the white house counsel, but his personal, have not served him well. almost from start to finish. and whether it was the original team or now mayor giuliani, things are said, things are done and they come back and they cause them problems at the end. so this, i think, this has to be very worrisome. we don't know whether he will turnout to have been a good witness for the president or whether he will have undermined the president. but if you are in the president's situation right now and you don't fully know what happened between those two, you've got a problem. >> has to be nail biting to say the least. all right. we have a lot more to come tonight. historian john meacham is going to stop by to offer his wit and wisdom. also going to be joined by congressman eric swalwell and
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some of your colleagues have made. >> so, ken dilanian, that was earlier this month when the president was simply talking about potentially doing this. he of course since has revoked john brennan's security clearance. and most republicans reacted with basically a collective shrug. there were a few that spoke out, corker, flake, susan collins. but otherwise there has been a lot of condemnation of brennan himself. people are clearly frustrated with what he's been saying and how this has been approached. but what is the next turn of this? if the president were to expand this to more people, for example, brennan told chuck todd he might sue. >> i'm not sure he has much of a case, but if, for example, they're considering revoking the clearance of bruce orr, a currently serving member of the justice department, that would essentially fire him because he might not be able to do a job without a clearance. that would be a huge deal. we need to separate some of brennan's extreme rhetoric which is drawing the ire of republicans with the whole principle of what donald trump has done here. and there are a lot of
republican cia officials or former officials who have come out this week and said this was outrageous. this is an attack on the first amendment and puts a chill on all the rest of us. you can't revoke somebody's security clearance for political reasons and that was what was done here. >> mark, do you think it is a defensible move? do you think the outcry on the republican side would be huge? >> i personally believe no one should have a clearance after your service, after a short time of transition, which is what the continuing clearance was, was meant to be for. i gave up my clearance the moment i left the white house and i was thankful not to have it any longer because i didn't want it. but, but so -- >> sleep a little easier. >> i just don't see, i just don't see there is a benefit to it. and what i do think is that maybe it's time that we have a system where it's more codified. maybe not necessarily a law, but a regulation where it says that you keep your clearance for a certain number of days after you transition out and if the agency in question still needs it, they need to make a case to say, we
would like to extend it further for these reasons. >> dan? >> i think there are all kinds of things that probably ought to be reviewed about security and classification. i mean, i think there's probably a lot of stuff that's classified that shouldn't be classified and the press ought to have access or the public ought to have access to it. if there are rules, which there are now, and if there are, you know, customs as to how people keep these, then that ought to stay in place until there is a review. but to -- but there are rules for revoking it, and revoking it for political reasons i don't believe is one of the rules. so i think that's where the president has veered off in a different direction. >> yeah. all right. meanwhile, the jury in the paul manafort trial is set to convene for a third day of deliberations in just over 12 hours. jurors spent the weekend back home. so far unable to reach a verdict in the first high-profile test of robert mueller's team of prosecutors. manafort could spend the rest of his life in prison if convicted. he has pleaded not guilty to all 18 charges he faces.
so, ken, we promised our viewers us were going to explain all of this to us. >> of course. >> so, the jury not yet reaching a verdict, spending this much time, some are viewing that as potentially good for the defense. >> yeah. and the questions they asked, including, can you redefine reasonable doubt? i've heard that question asked before. it's a common question. they also asked another technical question i won't be labor about ownership of bank accounts that seemed to adopt the defense theory of the case. it's strange. look, as a courtroom observer, this case has seemed overwhelming. the mountains of evidence, even if you leave aside rick gates, manafort's right hand man who is controversial and somewhat discredited, you have all this other evidence that manafort clearly evaded taxes and defrauded banks. but it's a dense, complicated set of charges. these cases, you know, there's no smoking gun, no tape of manafort saying, aha, i'm going to keep this money away from the
irs. >> i'm going to launder these dollars. >> exactly. and i sort of wonder whether this jury is not ricven by the same divisions the rest of us in sew tig society are. this jury is not sequestered. they're wandering around the courtroom with reporters -- >> i was just going to ask you about that. how unusual is that? i thought juries, you were never supposed to talk to the jury. >> sequestering is rather rare, but it is unusual to have jurors roaming free. generally they're escorted by a bay lyft in their own elevator. they've taken an oath not to look at news coverage. every day the judge asks them if they've adhered to the oath. they say they have. i wonder if the assumption is consistent with human nature. they see the ten tv cameras outside the courthouse every day. >> part of me thinks life as a manafort juror is less stressful. thank you for your time. appreciate it. just ahead, congresswoman karen
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and of course the 2020 presidential election to come. more than a dozen republican politicians activists and consultants tell politico they are increasingly convinced democratic house victory in the midterms and subsequent impeachment push would actually help the president in 2020. quote, proponents of the go for broke scenario argue that trump's at his best when his back is against the wall and that a move to impeach would both rally the base and make the president sympathetic to moderate voters. of course it's not just republicans who think that's the case. democratic leader nancy pelosi has repeatedly warned her caucus about the dangers surrounding the impeach president threat. here she is back in april. >> i've said over and over again that i don't think that we should be talking about impeachment. i discourage any discussion of impeachment. on the political side i think it's a gift to the republicans to talk about impeachment. >> and here's former white house chief strategist steve bannon in an exclusive interview with
msnbc on friday. >> when they say they're not talking about impeachment it's because they looked at the cross tabs in the polling and they understand when we put impeachment on the ballot, that is a way to get all the deplorables out. even if the congressman in your district is a rhino you have to come out to support president trump. >> joining the conversation democratic congresswoman karen bass. thank you so much for coming on. i want to start with what we just talked through there. do you agree with nancy pelosi, this conversation sa round impeachment is something that should be put off, that should not be the center piece of the conversation for democrats? >> i don't think it should be the center piece. at the end of the day an individual running has to work their district. if that is an important issue in their district -- but i really think most voters want to hear about why should you elect democrats, why should you put democrats in charge. what are you going to do if you're in charge. i really think that's the more important issue. >> where do you think the energy of the democratic party is right
now? tom steyer has been running around the country doing impeachment related events and has drawn crowds, reportedly drawn crowds in places like tulsa, oklahoma where you wouldn't expect a crowd like that. do you think that's where the entery is and th energy is and people should try to embrace that? >> i do think in some areas you find the energy there. and he's certainly finding it in areas you wouldn't expect. but what it really comes down to it, when you're actually talking one on one with voters, they want to hear about health care. they want to hear about jobs. they want to hear about how you are going to make their life better. yeah, impeachment, the investigation, trump, all of that is of interest. but when it really comes down to the conversations, they want know about themselves and their communities. >> i want to ask you about, again, nancy pelosi has come under fire from republicans. you know she has said, you know, they spend all kinds of money against her. they demonize her.
saying that aside, if in fact she were not to be because she couldn't or she decided to step aside, did not become the next democratic leader, would you ever consider running for that post? >> actually it's not something that i have thought about, but let me just tell you that i do think within the democratic caucus there is a lot of talent. there's a lot of talent. there's new folks coming in. there are people that have been there for a long time. there is this concept of a bridge. i think there's a lot of discussion going on in our caucus right now. >> do you think you could serve as a bridge like that potentially or not? >> well, it's not actually something i thought about. i did serve as speaker in california, but, you know, i'm looking to be helpful to the caucus and doing whatever i can to bring people together. you know, i serve in a role right now where i deal with the rules of the democratic caucus and i've tried to take on that position in a way that brings people together. so my focus has not been on that. my very serious and honest focus
has been on getting those seats and i live in los angeles where we have a lot of seats right around my area. >> right. what about jim clyburn? he is, of course, currently the number three in your caucus and he sort of floated the idea of potentially being that bridge that you mention. do you think that would represent generational change? >> i think mr. clyburn is one of the most revered and respected members in our caucus, and the concept of a generational change is something that people are absolutely considering. you know, when you are talking about a generational change, i think in some respects people are referring to age, but in some respects people are referring to people who have not been there for a long time. i believe what mr. clyburn is considering is the idea that he would serve for a short period of time as a bridge, and i do believe he's one of the most respected members in our house. >> at this point, what do you think is missing from the democratic message in the fall, that your leaders should be
talking about more? >> i actually think our message is pretty strong. again, we're running on what we would do when we would get back, and the number one thing is health care. you know, the republicans have been killing the affordable care act one step at a time, and we need to absolutely deal with prescription drug prices. we need to deal with preexisting conditions. the advertising so people know to sign up for the affordable care act. jobs, it's great that unemployment is down. however, you know in many places in the country people are working two and three jobs. people need to make more money. looking at those two things. number one and number two, the issues we should focus on. >> sometimes it's not how the campaign plays out. i have this ad and then we'll talk about it. >> they shutdown the government, resigned in shame, paid hush money and tried to end medicare and social security. here's what republicans might have to answer for next.
jim jordan. remind you of joe paterno? kevin mccarthy, paul ryan's protege with a lot of baggage. and steve scalise linked to kkk leader david duke. no wonder they aren't looking out for you. >> is that ad fair? >> well, i think there's a lot of facts in that ad, but it is a negative ad and i would certainly like to see us run on a more positive message. that might be an ad that's focused in a pretty heavy republican district where you're really trying to critique the republican leader should inashi where have they gotten us? not very far. as democrats we need to show we are for the people, for the average person, not just passing tax cuts for the wealthy which is what the republicans have done, taken away health care. they couldn't repeal it, but what they've been doing is murdering it, death by a thousand cuts, and we need to do what we can to repair the affordable care act and improve
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in 2018. this week ocasio-cortez has come under fire for excluding journalists. her decision to keep the press out of those town halls, quote, a nonstory. her campaign manager said her attempts was to try something unique with her constituents. but this experiment was likely a one-time deal and that future events will be open to the press. seung min kim, you have engaged with miss ocasio-cortez on twitter. this is how you point out how town halls do not work, excluding members of the press. >> if she had this for immigrants in the community or domestic violence as she pointed out in her tweet to me, we would have found it very understanding. but the fact that everybody was welcome to this town hall except for press, that's just simply not how it works. the press is there to be a
conduit for the people in her community who wouldn't be able to make it to the town hall to spread the message that she is trying to get out to provide information -- i would presume she would provide helpful contact information. the press is there to get that information out. so it's just a vital part of being there. i will point out it's good she's having a town hall. members of congress don't hold town halls any more. there are other private functions that are made private that we don't like that are private such as fund-raisers. that should be open, but at the end of the day, if it's a public event, the press has to be there. >> right. because if you are a member of the press you are also a member of the public by definition. excluding anyone for being a reporter -- congressman, what's your advice to a newcomer like ocasio-cortez? she's had some miss steps whether it was questions about policy or reporters. >> when i was a newcomer, my advice is to seek mentors so
they can show you the way. when i read about this -- i don't know her, i haven't met her yet. i thought she said it wasn't going to be open to the press and maybe she wasn't clear about that. but i think that a sitting member could have advised her about that. i certainly know that i had a couple of town halls -- and i do town halls all the time where i had to make them private because of the immigrant community being terrified about coming. and so we had to do it where it was quiet. and i thought maybe that might have been where she was coming from. but the chief advice to her, though, is there's a lot of members of congress who are always willing to embrace you and to show you the way and to tell you what it's about and to avoid making those mistakes, reaching out to sitting members of congress. i hear she's beginning to do that. i just haven't had an opportunity to meet her yet. >> interesting, she did make that point about immigrants as to why she would have done this. but, dan balls, this sort of raises a broader question, too, in my mind about how people do have a chance to interact with their elected officials.
fewer members seem to be doing town halls, more are doing teletown halls or events where people have less of a chance to get to see them in person, or there were questions about creating these so-called safe spaces. as the congresswoman pointed out, then there is the question of truth tied up in that as well and how do we even know where our elected leaders stand. how do you think we should view this incident? >> well, i mean, in its simple sense, a public meet sergio garcia a public meeting, which means it's open to everybody. >> whoever wants to show up. >> as you say, members of the press are members of the public. when we were denied credentials along with a couple other news organizations by the trump campaign during 2016, we had reporters who went in as members of the public and were able to get into those meetings and cover them. so that's one thing. i think that for her, she's been overwhelmed in both good and bad ways by the attention that she's gotten. i mean, she became a phenomenon
because of what she was able to do in that race, and a lot of people have just wanted to be around her. she draws huge crowds when she's gone out to campaign for other candidates. i think their press operation is totally overwhelmed by the number of requests they are getting and i think they are trying in one way or another to push that back. and as you said, she's made some mistakes on the trail with some factual issues. and for somebody who is brand-new to this as she is, that can be painful. and so you want to protect yourself. i think your broader point is the one that's concerning, and that is i think across the board for a variety of reasons, public officials are less willing than they have been almost year by year. we've seen this, to engage with the public, to engage with the press in ways they once felt comfortable with. public officials are not as comfortable with those interactions as they once were and i think that does create a
barrier and it creates a gap. and i think it's one reason why there is more cynicism about politics generally. >> yeah, and of course, more distrust generally speaking. dan balls, congresswoman karen bass, thank you for your perspective tonight. when we continue, president trump is in search of his wartime consigliary with no roy cohn to turn to. dr. kelli ward joins me from arizona live. up next. let someone else do the heavy lifting. tripadvisor compares prices from over 200 booking sites
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>> i want to start by asking, why hasn't president trump endorsed you? >> you know, i've heard through the grapevine and in the press that he likes everyone in the race. i've also heard maybe i'm his favorite. i like to hear that. i think he's ready to let the people of arizona decide. i've heard from people again and again and again that trump's base is kelli ward's base, my base. and that the people that support me want the president to support me and i would love to have his endorsement, but the most important endorsement right now and on august 28th is that of the voters of arizona. and i think i've got that. >> do you think that you can win if the president doesn't put his finger on the scale in your favor? >> of course, i do, yes. because i'm traveling all over the state. i'm meeting with people, voters in every corner of our state and they really want something different. they don't want another senator cut from the same cloth as john mccain and jeff flake and martha mcsally is exactly that. she's supported by mitch mcconnell. she's supported by the never trump swamp.
you know, you see cory gardener, senator gardener coming out and begging president trump to endorse martha because he knows they need that finger on the scale because the people of arizona want ward. >> mitch mcconnell and mitch mc republicans in washington seem to be concerned that you couldn't win a general election. do you see any truth at all in that argument? >> i don't because there's not one shred of evidence that martha mcsally could win the general when i can't. this is our chance in arizona to actually have a true conservative in washington, d.c. in the united states senate from our state. it might be our last chance for decades to come, maybe ever, to be able to get somebody that's cut from the same cloth as ronald reagan, as rand paul, as ted cruz, as mike lee. people are looking for people like that. i'm so honored to have the endorsement of my own congressman, congressman paul gosar who has been working with martha mcsally for two terms and he understands she is not the partner that he wants in the
united states senate. so i'm forward to getting to washington and getting things done. not just for people in the republican party, but people who haven't chosen a party, people who are independent, and people who are democrats who are having to walk away because of the extremism within the democrat party. the socialistic tendencies, the love of open borders, the desire to have medicare for all, and, you know, prioritize ms-13, those things are driving people to us, and i look forward to serving them in washington. >> i would just push back and say i have not heard a democrat in your state argue for quote/unquote open borders. i understand that's how you're characterizing it. i want to get back to, you mentioned paul gosar who you said is supporting you and it's been reported you're going on a statewide bus tour that will include congressman gosar as well as some other personalities, and mike cernovich who is known as somebody on the alt-right. do you support his views, generally speaking?
>> i don't really know what mike cernovich's views are, and he's got an audience. we want to serve everyone. i want to serve republicans, independents, people who aren't political at all, and i want to serve those democrats who are rejecting the radical left. >> mike cernovich has been associated with the pizza gate conspiracy theory. do you believe what's been said about hillary clinton, and pizza, and all of this nonsense that has been on the internet? >> all i know about hillary clinton is that she would have been a terrible president. and i am so thankful every single day she isn't in the white house. i'm thankful that we have donald trump who's fighting for that america first agenda to secure the border, build a ball, take care of our veterans, muck our military is strong, continue to grow the continue, and we've got
to get fiscal conservatives in washington on the right and on the left. i'm the only fiscal conservative in this race, because i'm the only mom in the race. >> do you think the republican party should embrace the so-called alt-right? >> you know, i think that the republican party and the people of the united states should embrace making america great again. and the way we do that is -- >> that's not what i asked. that's the president's campaign slogan. i'm asking about the alt-right. >> the alt-right, the alt-left, the radical left, the radical right. >> i'm talking specifically about the alt-right. >> i'm not a part of the alt-right. i don't know what you're asking. >> you have an alt-right figure on the bus tour. >> i have someone you're calling the alt-right figure. please tell me what it is, and i'd be glad to answer your question. >> the alt-right has been
generally described to encompass a variety of elements of people who -- it's an umbrella term that covers many of these various lines of thinking. i'm wondering if that represents your campaign. >> i think that that's a ridiculous statement. my campaign represents faith, family and freedom. >> so -- >> mike cernovich has an audience we want to reach, that includes republicans, conservatives, liberals, democrats, people of all ilks. if he's coming on the bus tour, i think that he'll have a voice and he'll have something that he wants to say. i know that my campaign is about faith, family and freedom. it's about smaller government, lower taxes, personal responsibility, and following the constitution. i think that's why so many people, on the right and on the left, are flocking to this effort to get someone new in washington. i heard your segment before, you
were talking about congresswomen and congress people kicking the press out of their events, both of women running against me have refused to have many town halls and have kicked the press out of their events. i want to open things up. i want transparency, and i want to bring back the representative republic that our founders envisioned. the only way to do that is by having a two-way communication between the people who are represented and the people who are doing the representing. so i can't wait to get to washington and get to work. >> all right, dr. kelli ward, thank you for coming on the show tonight. >> thanks, kasie. jon meacham joins us for the history lesson the president asked for on joseph mccarthy. eric swalwell joins me on set. and the most outrageous claims of the week from a government official, wait till you hear this. worst, the dvr, our team of
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reminder, don't miss full circle on facebook. you get to pick some of the stories we cover. you can see it week nights at 6:25 p.m. eastern on facebook.com/anderson cooper full circle. the news continues on this very busy tuesday night. i'm going to hand it over to chris. "cuomo prime time" starts now. thank you. i am chris cuomo. welcome to "prime time." we have new information and key players for you in the big breaking story. michael cohen says a candidate for federal office, aka the president, directed him to commit felonies. those hush money payments to women before the election, cohen says they were made at the direction of trump himself, and they were crimes. this is uncharted territory. a president directly implicated in criminal behavior in open court by his lawyer. we're going to have cohen's counsel joining us for what lies ahead. and what does this exposure mean for the president going forward? that's where michael avenatti,
the lawyer for stormy daniels, one of the recipients of those payments -- that's where he comes in. he is here with a message to trump. you are a liar, and we're coming for you. also, now a convicted felon, the president's former campaign chair, paul manafort. look, any way you look at it, this is a bad day in trump world, and it may be a bad day for america. lots to figure out. what do you say? let's get after it. all right. so just minutes ago the president finished up a rally in west virginia, and, boy, could he use the support. this afternoon, a jury of americans said, mr. president, you are wrong to call the manafort case a witch hunt. they convicted trump's former campaign chair on eight counts and his former personal lawyer, the man who once said he would take a bullet for the president, pleaded guilty on the exact same day. and this is unprecedented. he admitted that trump directed
him to commit crimes for the principal purpose of influencing the election. in the world of trump, this might seem like just another day of headlines that all blend together in the noise. no. this is different. these are charges and claims by michael cohen that could put trump right next to him in court or indicted but for his being president right now. lucky guy. but this is not over for the president. cohen has information. manafort may. and right now they have no reason legally to stay quiet. and you know what? the president knows that. so does mueller. so does the new york attorney general who is investigating the trump foundation, and so does michael avenatti. it's probably the reason why when asked about cohen today, the president responded in a way he rarely does. he said nothing. not a tweet. not a word even at the rally in west virginia. he just dummied up. now, if you've been following this, it all started with a
going to come back, and it's going to hurt this president, and it should. you know, you can fool people for a long period of time, but you can't fool all the people all the time. and i think what you're beginning to see is this make-believe world that the president has created, as you does from day in and day out, based on lies and fabrications -- this is falling apart, and people like michael cohen, people like paul manafort, they're going to disclose what they know because they're interested in saving themselves and their families. >> so you say don't see today as an end, that, yes, you got a guilty plea from cohen on a bunch of counts. you have manafort being found guilty. but you don't think it's the end. why? >> no. i think we're in the first quarter or maybe the second quarter of a four-quarter game, and the reason is because both of these men now are going to seek to reduce their sentences at the criminal level. they're going to want to cooperate. i know for a fact that michael cohen is cooperating and providing information to federal prosecutors. there's no reason why they would have entered into this plea agreement that they did were he
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does mueller believe a sitting president can be indicted? and now do the attorneys in the southern district of new york believe an individual can be indicted who is president? >> one of the reasons i needed your help tonight is in looking at what would ordinarily be the indictment, the charging document -- they call it the information when you cut a plea deal in the southern district -- they don't use trump's name anywhere. they also don't use the parent company of the "national enquirer." they don't use the "national enquirer." we don't see david pecker's name in here. why? and why did michael cohen say a candidate for federal office? why ignore the obvious? >> because normally if you have an unindicted co-conspirator at a stage like this -- and that's what donald trump is. he's an unindicted co-conspirator, make no mistake about it based on this plea agreement, you won't necessarily insert their name into the document. but we all know that the candidate is donald trump just like we all know that the individual relating to the $150,000 payment is ms. mcdougal
and the individual relating to the $130,000 payment is my client, ms. daniels. >> the idea of hearing someone's attorney stand in open court, yes, during an elocution of their plea deal and say, i committed crimes, and i was directed by the president of the united states, how big a deal? >> well, it's a huge deal. i mean it's unprecedented in american history. i mean think about everything we've been through in this nation. hundreds of years of presidents, including richard nixon and that debacle, the outrageous illegal conduct that occurred during that presidency. who would have thought -- and remember, we're only what, 20 minutes in at this point? >> we'll will say it's been too long. what is your experience with federal investigations? >> no. look, i agree with them that it may be too long for their liking. i understand that. but the wheels of justice unfortunately spin or turn very, very slowly. it really hasn't been that long when you look at how long this investigation has gone on. it's not unusual for these investigations sometimes to take
three, four, five, six years in fact in some cases, or even longer. and so i think what is shocking to me is that we're only 18, 20 months in, and here we have the campaign chairman, manafort, being convicted. and we have the president's right-hand attorney for 10 to 12 years pleading guilty to some very serious charges. >> the president's argument is none of it has to do with russia or collusion or me. it's all stuff they did. >> well, i mean, look, that's just absurd. i mean if you look at what michael cohen has pled to, there's no question that donald trump is at the center of this. his fingerprints, chris, are all over the crime scene. the only question is whether he's going to be charged and whether there's going to be accountability associated with it. >> another finesse point you gave me once and i want to know if you believe it now, is that it's somewhat of a mystery, the do they have a cooperation agreement? and you've explained that. they don't have to have one outright. okay. why hasn't mueller -- why hasn't the new york ag, you know, why
haven't people approached and interviewed cohen, which to our understanding, our best information, is it hasn't happened. you once told me, hey, you're assuming that those people wouldn't want him as a witness, you told me once, and that sometimes if they see someone as a potential witness, they don't bring them in early because then they would have a duty to give any exculpatory information that came up in their interview. explain that to the audience. >> well, sometimes you have to weigh your desire to -- well, first of all, you have to determine whether you're going to actually be able to acquire information from a prospective witness or not. and i imagine that as soon as the warrants were executed on michael cohen's hotel room, office, and residence, the likelihood of him coming in voluntarily and sitting down for an interview or a statement under oath for bob mueller basically went out the window until his counsel and he were able to make a determination as to whether it made sense for him to cut a deal or not. so that window, if you will, closed as it related to being able to get michael cohen's
statement under oath. furthermore, sometimes if you bring a witness in and you interview them, you are also, while they are giving you information, you are giving them information relating to the areas of inquiry that you're interested in, what topics you may be interested in. and keep in mind that up until recently, it was fairly clear that michael cohen was firing flare gun after flare gun as it related to donald trump. i mean he was begging for help. he was begging for air cover. whatever metaphor you want to use. and that begging went unanswered. >> right. >> so up until that time, prosecutors would have wondered if they brought him in or attempted to interview him, even if they were successful, whether the content of that interview would have gotten back to donald trump because they would not have known where michael cohen was lining up in connection with the investigation. so there's a lot of factors that go into considering whether you're going to bring somebody in to actually interview them or not. >> but now everything has changed, and you are here to say
that on two levels. you think everything has changed in terms of the assets that mueller has to play with in his probe and to look for, but also in your own case. so let's take a break. when we come back, michael avenatti is going to tell you why what happened today is not just bad for trump when it comes to the mueller probe, but what it means for his own case. also the counselor for michael cohen is here to share what comes next for his client, and you are not going to want to miss either of those interviews. stay with us. define your brows. express yourself. brow stylist shape and fill pencil by l'oréal. the easy-to-use triangular tip shapes and fills. the spoolie brush blends. brow power! brow stylist shape and fill from l'oréal paris.
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all right. you got lucky tonight. we're back with attorney michael avenatti. he is a main player in what we learned today from michael cohen and what it means going forward. he stood in open court today and said, yes, i committed crimes. two of them, felonies. campaign finance. i did them at the direction of a candidate for federal office, also known as donald trump. what did you think when you heard that? >> well, i thought that we made a giant leap forward relating to our civil case in multiple ways. first of all, there's little doubt now that we're going to get a deposition of michael cohen in connection with our case. you know, on september 10th, we have a hearing where the judge is going to make a determination as to whether to lift the stay or the pause in the case that michael cohen had demanded while this criminal investigation played out. well, now it's basically been resolved.
so we would expect the judge on the 10th of september to lift that pause, allow the case to proceed. and we have a pending motion to depose michael cohen and donald trump. i think there's zero chance we don't get a deposition of michael cohen, and i think there's a significant likelihood that we're going to get a deposition of donald trump. and so what that's going to mean is that i'm going to have an opportunity to ask michael cohen and donald trump questions under oath, under oath. you know, it's one thing to lie to you or other members of the press. it's an entirely different thing to lie under oath. i'm going to get a chance to did some very difficult questions of michael cohen and donald trump about what they knew, when they knew it, what they did about it, and what they did to cover it up. >> cohen, much more of a straight-line analysis. he asked for the stay. we've all read -- those who are following this, we get what that was about. that may be over. i don't see anything in the plea deal that stops him from being in action. in fact they say the opposite, that it doesn't forestall any
other legal activities that are out of the bounds of this agreement. not easy to get the president for a deposition. what precedent do you point to? do you believe that clinton is any analogy for new. >> absolutely. the supreme court decision, jones v. clinton, we believe is on all fours with this case, meaning it serves as solid precedent for the idea that you can seek and get an order allowing you to depose a sitting president for conduct occurring before he or she was sworn into office. and that's exactly what we're talking about here. >> what is the chance that if you have president trump in the chair, he is able to avoid acknowledging that he knew about what was going on with stormy daniels, that either it was what stormy daniels says it was during the pendency of the actual relationship and that the arrangements that came thereafter is something he was aware of at the time? >> well, i mean i think as we've witnessed over the last 2 1/2 years, i mean this is a man that will say or do anything,
literally anything, even if it has no basis in the truth. but i will tell you that i think one of the last things that donald trump wants to have is me sitting across the table from him asking him questions under oath. i would also put bob mueller in the same category. this president, who is a habitual liar, wouldn't know the truth if it fell off a building and hit him in the head, would have a very difficult time in a sworn deposition where he's asked very pointed questions and is forced to answer questions and provide the truth. >> if michael cohen is telling the truth today in court -- and i know people say, well, he's an admitted liar. yeah, he also has tons of motivation to not lie about this right now because they'll pull this deal from him. it's very tenuous and attenuated to his complying in every way, including telling the truth today in court during his al oh constitution. it's actually mentioned in the plea deal as one of the bases for the agreement. that would mean that this president lied to us again and again and again about criminal
conduct. relevant to you? >> 100%. i mean all you have to do is go back and look at the president's statement aboard the people's plane, otherwise known as air force one not long ago. he was pointedly asked questions by the associated press reporter relating to what he knew about the payment, and he basically said he didn't know anything about it. and he pointed everybody to michael cohen and said, talk to my attorney. basically said if you want to know the facts, go talk to my attorney. well, guess what? today in open court, in the southern district of new york, we heard from his attorney. we heard the facts from his attorney, and those facts are directly counter to what donald trump told america aboard air force one. they are completely contrary. you cannot reconcile what donald trump has stated publicly and what michael cohen said in open court today. and that is a fundamental problem for donald trump because i would submit that even though neither one of these individuals, in my view, have substantial credibility, i mean
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dershowitz, author of, apropos of this discussion "the case against impeaching trump." how strong is that case now, professor dershowitz, in light of what michael cohen said about his former boss today? >> well, let me be very clear. i don't have a dog in this fight. i don't have a client. i'm not trying to put lipstick on anybody. i'm here to defend civil liberties and to talk about the constitution and to talk about the presumption of innocence. >> so talk about it. >> what we have here is not even an indictment. what we have here is an allocution and a guilty plea, inadmissible in court. today was not a good day for the president or the white house, but the funeral bells are tolling a lot too early. first we have a very, very vague law that's being admitted to by cohen, namely campaign contribution rules. it's not clear that they apply when a president himself or a
candidate himself makes the contribution or when a third party makes it as an advance. these are very, very, very close questions. >> hold on. let's go one point at a time. >> sure. sure. >> i don't want you to flood the zone. jennifer rodgers, you worked in this office. one thing we know for sure. we have never heard someone of the standing of michael cohen connected to any kind of politician, let alone the president of the united states, stand in open court and say, yeah, i committed some felonies, but he directed me to do it. what is the impact from your perspective? >> well, it's hard to know what the legal impact would be. i mean as the professor points out, we're probably not going to end up in court with an indictment against donald trump on this, in large part because of the office of legal counsel opinion that a president can't be indicted. but it is unprecedented. i mean never before has someone stood up, sworn under oath that the president directed them to commit a crime, which means of course that the president also has committed a crime. and i don't agree that these
laws are vague or there's some reason that this contribution to the campaign, which is clear is what it was, is somehow unenforceable. if the president were not the president, he would be indicted very soon if he hadn't been already. >> no, that's not true. >> why? >> any candidate has the right to contribute unlimited amounts to his own campaign. any candidate -- it may sound terrible, and it may be terrible. but any candidate has the right to pay hush money to somebody to influence the outcome of the election. the problem is that -- >> not if it's unreported. >> well, that's the next question is whether it has to be reported, and is that a technical violation? how many technical violations the obama campaign committed and every other campaign committed. failure to report a contribution by the candidate itself is essentially jaywalking. then you have the credibility issue. >> yep. >> when you have somebody who himself admits that he is a liar a. remember as judge ellis said,
so a lot depends on the nuances, and that's where you can easily compose and elaborate and embellish. i'm not saying that happened. i'm just saying with the presumption of innocence, we don't even have a grand jury indictment here. all we have is a statement at allocution in open court that's not admissible. >> understood. let's not get carried away -- >> the idea of naming somebody as a an unindicted co-conspirator is something i complained about even when nixon -- >> although by the way they were pretty good today to the president. they actually didn't name him at all today which i thought was bordering on the absurd. >> oh, come on. that was so absurd. did you notice too that the u.s. attorney, when he went out there and described the entire crime, never mentioned, as far as i can remember, never mentioned the fact that cohen, in his allocution, said and the president directed him to do it. it's not clear to me that the u.s. attorney's office actually credits that part of it. we'll wait and see if they depend on cohen's credibility. >> let's not miss something a
little bit bigger. i know it's called cuomo's court and i know you are also prestigious litigators. however, the idea of a felony, jennifer, being the bar for when political conduct is good or bad is also absurd. and if it is true that the president of the united states lied to the american people again and again to their face on air force one and many times otherwise, saying in fact, go to my lawyer, michael cohen, if you want to know what i knew and didn't know. now if michael cohen's telling the truth, we know the president has been lying to the american people about criminal conduct. do you think that would meet -- if most politicians -- we all remember president ford saying an impeachable offense is what congress says it is. >> and that's wrong. >> i know, but that's what he said. >> that's a political question, not a legal question. but i'm not willing to give up on the notion that there are serious crimes being committed here and they've been committed by the president if you credit what cohen said today. and let me make one other point
that the professor raised. this was not a cooperation agreement. i mean he wants to talk about people who have an incentive to lie because they want to get out of a charge or get a lesser sentence. that's not the case here. >> oh, come on. >> he pled guilty -- >> be serious. >> professor, he got more time than anybody else i've seen connected to a president. if he serves the time they want him to serve, we've never seen anybody get as much time as he got. >> of course -- >> he hasn't been sentenced yet. >> let me make the point. it is a cooperation agreement. it's just not in writing. it's clear that if he cooperates and tells them what he wants to hear, he'll get a shorter sentence. if he doesn't, he'll get a longer sentence. this is so clearly an implicit cooperation agreement. just, you know, it's so obvious that every criminal -- >> he's now accusing my former colleague of serious misconduct. >> yes, you are. >> without any basis at all. >> oh, come on. everybody knows -- >> michael cohen stood up and swore to that, and that's what the prosecutors in that office do. there is no basis to believe
otherwise. >> that is total nonsense. we know that if he cooperates, he will get a lower sentence, and if he doesn't cooperate, he'll get a harsher sentence. welcome to the real world of 53 years of experience of doing this so many times. you cannot look me in the eye and deny that fact. >> she is staring you dead in the eye right now by the way just in case you can't see her. >> i'm doing best. >> -- that he won't benefit if he cooperates. >> right, but that doesn't mean he is lying or that they are suborning perjury. jennifer rodgers, final word. >> if they decide to sign an agreement with him, a cooperation agreement, that's what they will do. at this time, the only agreement is not a cooperation agreement. it's a plea agreement. he doesn't have a deal. he doesn't have an incentive to lie. at this point he might even just be subpoenaed to testify. he has no incentive to lie at this point, so there's no basis to -- >> he has every incentive to give them a story they want to hear. that's the way the game is played. >> we know this. >> don't believe me. listen to judge ellis. he knows it too. >> we know this.
>> every defense attorney knows that. >> we know this. if michael cohen lied today in front of that judge about being directed by the president to commit those crimes, he knows he's going to get more time than he could ever possibly handle. >> nonsense. if he's court lying -- >> that's right. >> not if he lies. people lie all the time and get away with it. >> we're seeing that in realtime every day here, aren't we, professor? and it's coming from on high. thank you very much for this legal debate. appreciate it from both of you. so what does this mean politically? jennifer rodgers, fair point, saying some of this is political. so let's bring one on. the top democrat on the senate intelligence committee. what does he think today's verdicts mean? a lot. mark warner is putting out a warning for the president, and the top republican has his back, next. erywhere. so why am i hosting a dental convention after party in my vegas suite? or wearing a full-body wetsuit at this spa retreat? or sliding into this ski lodge
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trial. what will this all mean for the russia probe? nothing says the president of the united states. poppycock says the vice chairman of the senate intelligence committee. he says it will mean plenty. senator mark warner, thank you for joining us on "prime time." >> thank you, chris. >> so your committee and you on it put out the senate select committee on intelligence statement on paul manafort, saying in part, the verdict makes it absolutely clear that the mueller probe is not a witch hunt. what is the significance first, on this monumental day, of manafort to you? >> well, you've got the president's campaign manager convicted of eight counts of serious federal crimes, and that's just his first trial. there's another trial that's scheduled in september, and this is one of those days that we may look back on, not only the president's campaign manager guilty, the president's personal
lawyer guilty, microsoft, one of the technology companying acknowledging further russian intervention realtime this year with efforts to split our country and potentially impede with the 2018 elections. and then earlier today in our banking committee hearing, the administration officials in an administration where there's nobody in the white house in charge of election security, stumbling over answers of how they can say they've done enough to take on russia with the individuals that have been sanctioned from the internet research agency questioning whether they're going to sanction some of the russian gru spies, the russian spy agencies. all of those individuals who same out of the mueller investigation, and we pressed those individuals from the white house, how can this be a witch hunt when the mueller investigation are finding out these individuals who are attacking our country? so it was a wild day even in
trump world. >> the president says manafort verdict is proof of a witch hunt because none of it has anything to do with russian collusion or him. what's your argument? >> my argument is these were indications of illegal activities that mr. manafort involved with frankly ukrainians and others. the question will be as we move into this next trial, will mr. manafort start to cooperate with mr. mueller? and i can only imagine there's a lot of questions to be answered there. i don't know what that cooperation might lead to, and i don't know if it's even going to take place. but i believe you will see a nexus. >> well, we haven't seen one established yet. that takes us to michael cohen. now, this is something that i don't think we've ever seen before. correct me if i'm wrong. but the president's personal attorney standing in open court, pleading guilty and implicating then-candidate, now-president, as a co-felon, saying that the
crimes he committed, he did at the direction of trump. >> pretty remarkable. and that was just crimes that were related to the late stages of the campaign where it appears mr. cohen was saying he was doing this to hush up witnesses and potential bad stories. again, in the cohen plea, there's nothing that precludes cohen from again cooperating with mueller, and those questions around the potential trump tower deal in moscow and other business transactions that the trump organization had with russia, we've got a lot of questions. i hope mueller will have a lot of questions. and one of the statements we made about mr. cohen's guilty plea today was, i hope it will not interfere with his ability to come back and re-testify before our committee. >> you want him back? >> absolutely. >> why? >> we've got questions that still need to be answered. >> so on another topic, just
while i have you, even with everything that happened today, the speculation is still that you won't get the votes to pass the protection that you want to put into place that would just codify the existing 13 bases that exist within the executive, obviously headed by the president, to remove someone's security clearance. that even after today, you will lose that partisan fight. >> well, chris, i actually think it's more likely i won't even get a vote. we don't control which votes go up on the floor. this has been constantly the problem in the united states senate, and it's the rules of the road. it was the other way when the democrats controlled. >> true. >> the majority leader controls what amendments come up and which ones don't come up. i wish we'll get a vote. i've got a bipartisan sponsor. i know i've got other republicans that will vote for it. but there are a number of my colleagues that don't want to be on the spot, actually placing this president in judgment even though we saw in this last week over 100 former intelligence and defense officials, including
george bush's secretary of defense, bob gates, come out and say this kind of action of creating an enemies list, not just john brennan but the other individuals named and the idea that this president or this white house was going to roll out taking away other people's security clearance on a bad news day is frankly reprehensible and should not stand in our american system. >> senator warner, thank you for coming on "prime time." >> thank you, chris. >> not even get a vote on something like protecting security clearances. what does that tell you about where we are? michael cohen's lawyer is going to be with us when we come back. all those questions that you heard from avenatti and you heard from senator warner about what else cohen knows, this is the man who knows the answers. he helped with today's plea deal. at the lowest price... is as easy as dates, deals, done! simply enter your destination and dates...
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and he's been through a difficult time. his family is obviously suffering. but there's also a sense of relief when i talked to him today and a sense of liberation since when he first brought me in to help him, it was about telling the truth and about telling the truth about donald trump. and you saw in court today he not only implicated, he specifically, under oath, stated that donald trump directed him to commit a crime, making donald trump as much guilty of that felony as my client, mr. cohen. >> now, the pushback will be, well, cohen is an admitted liar and he's going to say whatever he has to to get the best deal that he can. do you believe that he could prove that he was directed by then-candidate trump? >> so thank you for asking me that question, and i once asked everybody for donald trump watching your show to listen to
a tape that rudy giuliani mischaracterized. so now i'm going to say to everybody for donald trump, the word "directed" came from donald trump's lawyers, who wrote the special counsel and said that donald trump directed michael cohen to make that payment. and rudy giuliani, who threw his client under the bus and said, it doesn't matter that on air force one, that donald trump denied knowing about the payment. he in fact reimbursed mr. cohen. throwing his client under the bus and i think waiving attorney-client privilege. so there is no factual dispute. mr. trump's lawyers said he directed michael cohen to make that payment. he is as much guilty of a felony. he just hasn't owned up to it. but what he did do is try to hide by asking his lawyer to do something he wasn't willing to do because he feared the
electoral consequences of what was being done was to pay hush money involving two women. >> did michael cohen agree to a cooperation deal with the government? >> so i'm not >> so i'm not able to answer that. my colleague who should be credited with the work on this matter, a very well-known criminal defense lawyer, guy petrillo, will be able to answer that one, but i will say categorically that michael cohen is committed to telling the truth, and nothing but the truth, and if asked by any authority, including senator warner and any congressional committee and including anybody in washington investigating president trump, he will tell the truth. of that i am certain. >> would he sit for a deposition with michael avenatti in the stormy daniels case? >> if he's subpoenaed he will comply with the subpoena if it's
an appropriate subpoena. i don't know what he could add to mr. avenatti's case, but he's a good lawyer, and he knows that if he's subpoenaed, if it's an appropriate subpoena, he would have to be comply. >> he doesn't have to be subpoena. he just has to offer his services. we'll see how that goes. you believe he will tell the truth. do you believe that michael cohen has anything to offer, that he has any new information for the special counsel or maybe the new york attorney general of wrongdoing or even potential criminal activity by then candidate or now president trump? >> i do believe he does. the new york attorney general has the jurisdiction, for example, to look into the trump foundation. michael cohen being a lawyer for donald trump for many, many years knows almost everything about mr. trump, and we'll see whether the level of corruption alleged concerning the trump foundation is a topic of concern for the new york attorney general. we know that the pardon power
wouldn't apply in new york state. >> but do you think cohen knows things? >> i do believe that he has information about mr. trump that would be of interest both in washington as well as in new york state, yes. >> to mueller as well as new york? >> i do believe so, but we'll see. i know that he putting aside the word cooperation, i know that he wants to tell the truth about mr. trump, and when he first came to me we had long conversations about his views, about the suitability of mr. trump to be president of the united states and mr. cohen is motivated by concern for his family and the country and he will tell the truth. >> lanny davis, you know what he says he knows and what he can show. thank you, sir, for being on the show. >> thanks, chris, thanks for having me. >> a lot happened today. what the does it mean? probably more than you think for
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trump waving away the manafort verdict as bogus makes it worse. why? because he's accusing the citizens who took the time away from work and family and spend all that time considering the mountain of evidence and delivering a very nuanced verdict, guilty on some counts and mistrial or hung on others, that they are part of a witch-hunt, shame on him and thank you to those jurors for their service. the silence on cohen by donald trump. that speaks volumes as the saying goes. the a president's personal attorney pleading guilty, admitting to the judge that crimes he committed were committed at the direction of trump. now, the president's supporters will say cohen is an admitted liar but you heard lanny davis. he made a good point. the president's current counsel said he directed cohen to do what he did and that's okay. now they are felonies. about trump's involvement or anything else that was said today you have to look at it for what it means to cohen.
if he lies about the president directing him, his freedom goes bye-bye. he has little reason to lie so if he's correct that would also mean the president has been lying to all of you again and again about criminal conduct, and now we know why trump would have been lying. if he weren't in office right now, he might be standing right next to cohen in that court. trump refers to people like cohen as a rat, but that only shows you what he thinks of telling the truth under oath. not the reality of cohen's statements under law. truth is a virtue, so this is a bad day for trump, cohen and manafort. granted, just look at all of the people that trump -- this is just some of them, by the way. we were all haggling over this list. the list gets so big. they will never absorb all the names. these are the people and the president who have been fired, proven as frauds or liars or both. look at the list, and it's just a fraction. the man who coined the phrase
drain the swamp added the biggest varmints we've ever seen on it. many on this board may be players in the russia probe, maybe manafort and cohen, well within reach. what else could they say? why could this be a bad day for all of us? here's the simple argument. this kind of lying and disorder and fraud is disruptive to the business of making your lives better in government, but there's a grander concern. what if despite all that came out today, especially the lying to your face by trump about criminal conduct, and, remember, this isn't about judging his personal life. i don't think what the president does in his personal time is your place or my place to judge, but lying to you about potential crimes, that matters, so with all that, what if today does not change the president's polls. you heard the crowd in west virginia tonight, right? not a boo in the house. what does that tell you? could be a bad day for america.
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prosecutors. there's no reason why they would have entered into this plea agreement that they did were he not cooperating. michael cohen has a lot of information. >> so you don't need a cooperation deal to be cooperating? >> exactly. i think that point that you just made is critical. you don't have to have it in writing in the documents in order to have an agreement in place. i'm highly confident -- in fact, i know michael cohen's been providing information. prosecutors in sdny are expecting him to continue to cooperate because if he doesn't, they have the ultimate hammer, and that is at the sentencing stage, which for michael cohen is going to take place in december, they can ask for either an upward departure or the maximum. they have a significant hammer in their toolbox in the event michael cohen does not cooperate. >> same with manafort? >> same with manafort. but let me say this. you know, it's one thing -- it's a multi-step process, chris. it's one thing for manafort and for cohen to provide the information to prosecutors. then they have to decide what,
if anything, they're going to do with it. and then we go back to the issue that i know you have talked about a lot on this program, which is can a sitting president be indicted or not? does mueller believe a sitting president can be indicted? and now do the attorneys in the southern district of new york believe an individual can be indicted who is president? >> one of the reasons i needed your help tonight is in looking at what would ordinarily be the indictment, the charging document -- they call it the information when you cut a plea deal in the southern district -- they don't use trump's name anywhere. they also don't use the parent company of the "national enquirer." they don't use the "national enquirer." we don't see david pecker's name in here. why? and why did michael cohen say a candidate for federal office? why ignore the obvious? >> because normally if you have an unindicted co-conspirator at a stage like this -- and that's what donald trump is. he's an unindicted co-conspirator, make no mistake about it based on this plea agreement, you won't necessarily insert their name into the
document. but we all know that the candidate is donald trump just like we all know that the individual relating to the $150,000 payment is ms. mcdougal and the individual relating to the $130,000 payment is my client, ms. daniels. >> the idea of hearing someone's attorney stand in open court, yes, during an allocution of their plea deal and say, i committed crimes, and i was directed by the president of the united states, how big a deal? >> well, it's a huge deal. i mean it's unprecedented in american history. i mean think about everything we've been through in this nation. hundreds of years of presidents, including richard nixon and that debacle, the outrageous illegal conduct that occurred during that presidency. who would have thought -- and remember, we're only what, 20 minutes in at this point? >> we'll will say it's been too long. what is your experience with federal investigations? >> no. look, i agree with them that it may be too long for their liking. i understand that.
they don't have to have one outright. okay. why hasn't mueller -- why hasn't the new york ag, you know, why haven't people approached and interviewed cohen, which to our understanding, our best information, is it hasn't happened. you once told me, hey, you're assuming that those people wouldn't want him as a witness, you told me once, and that sometimes if they see someone as a potential witness, they don't bring them in early because then they would have a duty to give any exculpatory information that came up in their interview. explain that to the audience. >> well, sometimes you have to weigh your desire to -- well, first of all, you have to determine whether you're going to actually be able to acquire information from a prospective witness or not. and i imagine that as soon as the warrants were executed on michael cohen's hotel room, office, and residence, the likelihood of him coming in voluntarily and sitting down for an interview or a statement under oath for bob mueller basically went out the window until his counsel and he were able to make a determination as to whether it made sense for him to cut a deal or not.
so that window, if you will, closed as it related to being able to get michael cohen's statement under oath. furthermore, sometimes if you bring a witness in and you interview them, you are also, while they are giving you information, you are giving them information relating to the areas of inquiry that you're interested in, what topics you may be interested in. and keep in mind that up until recently, it was fairly clear that michael cohen was firing flare gun after flare gun as it related to donald trump. i mean he was begging for help. he was begging for air cover. whatever metaphor you want to use. and that begging went unanswered. >> right. >> so up until that time, prosecutors would have wondered if they brought him in or attempted to interview him, even if they were successful, whether the content of that interview would have gotten back to donald trump because they would not have known where michael cohen was lining up in connection with
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said, yes, i committed crimes. two of them, felonies. campaign finance. i did them at the direction of a candidate for federal office, also known as donald trump. what did you think when you heard that? >> well, i thought that we made a giant leap forward relating to our civil case in multiple ways. first of all, there's little doubt now that we're going to get a deposition of michael cohen in connection with our case. you know, on september 10th, we have a hearing where the judge is going to make a determination as to whether to lift the stay or the pause in the case that michael cohen had demanded while this criminal investigation played out. well, now it's basically been resolved. so we would expect the judge on the 10th of september to lift that pause, allow the case to proceed. and we have a pending motion to depose michael cohen and donald trump. i think there's zero chance we don't get a deposition of michael cohen, and i think there's a significant likelihood that we're going to get a deposition of donald trump.
and so what that's going to mean is that i'm going to have an opportunity to ask michael cohen and donald trump questions under oath, under oath. you know, it's one thing to lie to you or other members of the press. it's an entirely different thing to lie under oath. i'm going to get a chance to did some very difficult questions of michael cohen and donald trump about what they knew, when they knew it, what they did about it, and what they did to cover it up. >> cohen, much more of a straight-line analysis. he asked for the stay. we've all read -- those who are following this, we get what that was about. that may be over. i don't see anything in the plea deal that stops him from being in action. in fact, they say the opposite, that it doesn't forestall any other legal activities that are out of the bounds of this agreement. not easy to get the president for a deposition. what precedent do you point to? do you believe that clinton is any analogy for you? >> absolutely. the supreme court decision, jones v. clinton, we believe is on all fours with this case, meaning it serves as solid precedent for the idea that you can seek and get an order allowing you to depose a sitting president for conduct occurring before he or she was sworn into office.
and that's exactly what we're talking about here. >> what is the chance that if you have president trump in the chair, he is able to avoid acknowledging that he knew about what was going on with stormy daniels, that either it was what stormy daniels says it was during the pendency of the actual relationship and that the arrangements that came thereafter is something he was aware of at the time? >> well, i mean i think as we've witnessed over the last 2 1/2 years, i mean this is a man that will say or do anything, literally anything, even if it has no basis in the truth. but i will tell you that i think one of the last things that donald trump wants to have is me sitting across the table from him asking him questions under oath. i would also put bob mueller in the same category. this president, who is a habitual liar, wouldn't know the truth if it fell off a building and hit him in the head, would have a very difficult time in a sworn deposition where he's
asked very pointed questions and is forced to answer questions and provide the truth. >> if michael cohen is telling the truth today in court -- and i know people say, well, he's an admitted liar. yeah, he also has tons of motivation to not lie about this right now because they'll pull this deal from him. it's very tenuous and attenuated to his complying in every way, including telling the truth today in court during his allocution. it's actually mentioned in the plea deal as one of the bases for the agreement. that would mean that this president lied to us again and again and again about criminal conduct. relevant to you? >> 100%. i mean all you have to do is go back and look at the president's statement aboard the people's plane, otherwise known as air force one not long ago. he was pointedly asked questions by the associated press reporter relating to what he knew about the payment, and he basically said he didn't know anything about it. and he pointed everybody to michael cohen and said, talk to my attorney.
basically said if you want to know the facts, go talk to my attorney. well, guess what? today in open court, in the southern district of new york, we heard from his attorney. we heard the facts from his attorney, and those facts are directly counter to what donald trump told america aboard air force one. they are completely contrary. you cannot reconcile what donald trump has stated publicly and what michael cohen said in open court today. and that is a fundamental problem for donald trump because i would submit that even though neither one of these individuals, in my view, have substantial credibility, i mean they're both damaged. let's be clear. i think push comes to shove, the american people will believe michael cohen over donald trump. i really do. >> well, we will see. one thing's for sure, this did not end today, but what a day it was. michael avenatti, thank you. >> so now i'm going to go back in the room here, and i'm going to watch alan dershowitz try to put lipstick on this very, very big pig.
i'm going to enjoy that. >> well, you have history with him on this because dershowitz at the time pointed out something that was true. you were putting a lot of chips on what was going to happen with michael cohen and what it would mean for your case. but today your stack's looking a little higher. >> a little higher. >> michael avenatti, thank you very much. >> thank you. >> appreciate it. all right. so the president was just incriminated when michael cohen made his allocution in court, made his statement to the judge. that's what avenatti says. that's what michael cohen says. do the great debaters agree? and do they think that michael avenatti has a shot at advancing his case with the president being put under oath? look at who we got for you. cuomo's court is in session, next. ♪
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president himself? cuomo's court is now in session. jennifer rodgers, former prosecutor in the office that prosecuted cohen, and alan dershowitz, author of, apropos of this discussion "the case against impeaching trump." how strong is that case now, professor dershowitz, in light of what michael cohen said about his former boss today? >> well, let me be very clear. i don't have a dog in this fight. i don't have a client. i'm not trying to put lipstick on anybody. i'm here to defend civil liberties and to talk about the constitution and to talk about the presumption of innocence. >> so talk about it. >> what we have here is not even an indictment. what we have here is an allocution and a guilty plea, inadmissible in court. today was not a good day for the president or the white house, but the funeral bells are tolling a lot too early. first we have a very, very vague law that's being admitted to by cohen, namely campaign contribution rules. it's not clear that they apply
when a president himself or a candidate himself makes the contribution or when a third party makes it as an advance. these are very, very, very close questions. >> hold on. let's go one point at a time. >> sure. sure. >> i don't want you to flood the zone. jennifer rodgers, you worked in this office. one thing we know for sure. we have never heard someone of the standing of michael cohen connected to any kind of politician, let alone the president of the united states, stand in open court and say, yeah, i committed some felonies, but he directed me to do it. what is the impact from your perspective? >> well, it's hard to know what the legal impact would be. i mean as the professor points out, we're probably not going to end up in court with an indictment against donald trump on this, in large part because of the office of legal counsel opinion that a president can't
be indicted. but it is unprecedented. i mean never before has someone stood up, sworn under oath that the president directed them to commit a crime, which means of course that the president also has committed a crime. and i don't agree that these laws are vague or there's some reason that this contribution to the campaign, which is clear is what it was, is somehow unenforceable. if the president were not the president, he would be indicted very soon if he hadn't been already. >> no, that's not true. >> why? >> any candidate has the right to contribute unlimited amounts to his own campaign. any candidate -- it may sound terrible, and it may be terrible. but any candidate has the right to pay hush money to somebody to influence the outcome of the election. the problem is that -- >> not if it's unreported. >> well, that's the next question is whether it has to be reported, and is that a technical violation? when you think how many
technical violations the obama campaign committed and every other campaign committed, failure to report a contribution by the candidate itself is essentially jaywalking. then you have the credibility issue. >> yep. >> when you have somebody who himself admits that he is a liar. remember as judge ellis said, what you have when you squeeze somebody, when you tell somebody, you have two choices. you can die in prison, or you can give me evidence that we can use against somebody else. the temptation not only to sing but to compose is very great, and it's so easy to add a little bit of embellishment, saying "and the president directed me to do it." >> why do you believe that's an embellishment? >> well, that's the point. it's an easy embellishment to make if it didn't happen. >> but how could it not have happened? >> it's very easy for it not to have happened. >> for michael cohen to have cut deals with women that he wasn't involved with, the president was, and the president never knew anything about it. you heard the tape that we broke on this show, right? >> we have a recording that says otherwise. >> the question is not whether the president knew. it's when the president knew, whether he directed him to do it.
now, the president may have had a standing situation with him. get rid of all these problems. pay them, and i'll pay you back. that would not be a crime. so a lot depends on the nuances, and that's where you can easily compose and elaborate and embellish. i'm not saying that happened. i'm just saying with the presumption of innocence, we don't even have a grand jury indictment here. all we have is a statement at allocution in open court that's not admissible. >> understood. let's not get carried away -- >> the idea of naming somebody as a an unindicted co-conspirator is something i complained about even when nixon -- >> although by the way they were pretty good today to the president. they actually didn't name him at all today which i thought was bordering on the absurd. >> oh, come on. that was so absurd. did you notice too that the u.s. attorney, when he went out there and described the entire crime, never mentioned, as far as i can remember, never mentioned the fact that cohen, in his allocution, said and the president directed him to do it. it's not clear to me that the u.s. attorney's office actually
credits that part of it. we'll wait and see if they depend on cohen's credibility. >> let's not miss something a little bit bigger. i know it's called cuomo's court and i know you are also prestigious litigators. however, the idea of a felony, jennifer, being the bar for when political conduct is good or bad is also absurd. and if it is true that the president of the united states lied to the american people again and again to their face on air force one and many times otherwise, saying in fact, go to my lawyer, michael cohen, if you want to know what i knew and didn't know. now if michael cohen's telling the truth, we know the president has been lying to the american people about criminal conduct. do you think that would meet -- if most politicians -- we all remember president ford saying an impeachable offense is what congress says it is. >> and that's wrong. >> i know, but that's what he said. >> that's a political question, not a legal question. but i'm not willing to give up on the notion that there are
serious crimes being committed here and they've been committed by the president if you credit what cohen said today. and let me make one other point that the professor raised. this was not a cooperation agreement. i mean he wants to talk about people who have an incentive to lie because they want to get out of a charge or get a lesser sentence. that's not the case here. >> oh, come on. >> he pled guilty -- >> be serious. >> professor, he got more time than anybody else i've seen connected to a president. if he serves the time they want him to serve, we've never seen anybody get as much time as he got. >> of course -- >> he hasn't been sentenced yet. >> let me make the point. it is a cooperation agreement. it's just not in writing. it's clear that if he cooperates and tells them what he wants to hear, he'll get a shorter sentence. if he doesn't, he'll get a longer sentence. this is so clearly an implicit cooperation agreement.
just, you know, it's so obvious that every criminal -- >> he's now accusing my former colleague of serious misconduct. >> yes, you are. >> without any basis at all. >> oh, come on. everybody knows -- >> michael cohen stood up and swore to that, and that's what the prosecutors in that office do. there is no basis to believe otherwise. >> that is total nonsense. we know that if he cooperates, he will get a lower sentence, and if he doesn't cooperate, he'll get a harsher sentence. welcome to the real world of 53 years of experience of doing this so many times. you cannot look me in the eye and deny that fact. >> she is staring you dead in the eye right now by the way just in case you can't see her. >> i'm doing best. >> -- that he won't benefit if he cooperates. >> right, but that doesn't mean he is lying or that they are suborning perjury. jennifer rodgers, final word. >> if they decide to sign an agreement with him, a cooperation agreement, that's what they will do. at this time, the only agreement is not a cooperation agreement. it's a plea agreement. he doesn't have a deal. he doesn't have an incentive to lie. at this point he might even just be subpoenaed to testify. he has no incentive to lie at this point, so there's no basis to --
>> he has every incentive to give them a story they want to hear. that's the way the game is played. >> we know this. >> don't believe me. listen to judge ellis. he knows it too. >> we know this. >> every defense attorney knows that. >> we know this. if michael cohen lied today in front of that judge about being directed by the president to commit those crimes, he knows he's going to get more time than he could ever possibly handle. >> nonsense. if he's court lying -- >> that's right. >> not if he lies. people lie all the time and get away with it. >> we're seeing that in realtime every day here, aren't we, professor? and it's coming from on high. thank you very much for this legal debate. appreciate it from both of you. so what does this mean politically? jennifer rodgers, fair point, saying some of this is political. so let's bring one on. the top democrat on the senate intelligence committee. what does he think today's verdicts mean? a lot. mark warner is putting out a warning for the president, and the top republican has his back, next. when i received the diagnoses, i knew at that exact moment ... i'm beating this.
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trial. what will this all mean for the russia probe? nothing says the president of the united states. poppycock says the vice chairman of the senate intelligence committee. he says it will mean plenty. senator mark warner, thank you for joining us on "prime time." >> thank you, chris. >> so your committee and you on it put out the senate select committee on intelligence statement on paul manafort, saying in part, the verdict makes it absolutely clear that the mueller probe is not a witch hunt. what is the significance first, on this monumental day, of manafort to you? >> well, you've got the president's campaign manager convicted of eight counts of serious federal crimes, and
that's just his first trial. there's another trial that's scheduled in september, and this is one of those days that we may look back on. not only the president's campaign manager guilty, the president's personal lawyer guilty, microsoft, one of the technology companies acknowledging further russian intervention realtime this year with efforts to split our country and potentially impede with the 2018 elections. and then earlier today in our banking committee hearing, the four administration officials in an administration where there's nobody in the white house in charge of election security stumbling over answers of how they can say they've done enough to take on russia with the individuals that have been sanctioned from the internet research agency questioning
whether they're going to sanction some of the russian gru spies, the russian spy agencies. all of those individuals who came out of the mueller investigation, and we pressed those individuals from the white house, how can this be a witch hunt when the mueller investigation are finding out these individuals who are attacking our country? so it was a wild day even in trump world. >> the president says manafort verdict is proof of a witch hunt because none of it has anything to do with russian collusion or him. what's your argument? >> my argument is these were indications of illegal activities that mr. manafort involved with frankly ukrainians and others. the question will be as we move into this next trial, will mr. manafort start to cooperate with mr. mueller? and i can only imagine there's a lot of questions to be answered there. i don't know what that
cooperation might lead to, and i don't know if it's even going to take place. but i believe you will see a nexus. >> well, we haven't seen one established yet. that takes us to michael cohen. now, this is something that i don't think we've ever seen before. correct me if i'm wrong. but the president's personal attorney standing in open court, pleading guilty and implicating then candidate, now president, as a co-felon, saying that the crimes he committed, he did at the direction of trump. >> pretty remarkable. and that was just crimes that were related to the late stages of the campaign where it appears mr. cohen was saying he was doing this to hush up witnesses and potential bad stories. again, in the cohen plea, there's nothing that precludes cohen from again cooperating with mueller, and those questions around the potential trump tower deal in moscow and other business transactions that the trump organization had with russia, we've got a lot of questions. i hope mueller will have a lot of questions. and one of the statements we made about mr. cohen's guilty plea today was, i hope it will
not interfere with his ability to come back and re-testify before our committee. >> you want him back? >> absolutely. >> why? >> we've got questions that still need to be answered. >> so on another topic, just while i have you, even with everything that happened today, the speculation is still that you won't get the votes to pass the protection that you want to put into place that would just codify the existing 13 bases that exist within the executive, obviously headed by the president, to remove someone's security clearance. that even after today, you will lose that partisan fight. >> well, chris, i actually think it's more likely i won't even get a vote. we don't control which votes go up on the floor. this has been constantly the problem in the united states senate, and it's the rules of the road. it was the other way when the democrats controlled. >> true. >> the majority leader controls what amendments come up and which ones don't come up. i wish we'll get a vote. i've got a bipartisan sponsor. i know i've got other republicans that will vote for it. but there are a number of my
colleagues that don't want to be on the spot, actually placing this president in judgment even though we saw in this last week over 100 former intelligence and defense officials, including george bush's secretary of defense, bob gates, come out and say this kind of action of creating an enemies list, not just john brennan but the other individuals named and the idea that this president or this white house was going to roll out taking away other people's security clearance on a bad news day is frankly reprehensible and should not stand in our american system. >> senator warner, thank you for coming on "prime time." >> thank you, chris. >> not even get a vote on something like protecting security clearances. what does that tell you about where we are? michael cohen's lawyer is going to be with us when we come back. all those questions that you heard from avenatti and you heard from senator warner about what else cohen knows, this is the man who knows the answers. he helped with today's plea deal. he knows where this situation goes next. lanny davis after the break. ♪
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only remfresh usesody's ion-powered melatonin to deliver up to 7 hours of sleep support. number one sleep doctor recommended remfresh-your nightly sleep companion. trump's attorney, michael cohen, pleaded guilty to campaign finance violations and other crimes. but with the campaign finance, he said in front of the judge he did what he did at the direction of the president. we're joined now by cohen's lawyer, lanny davis. welcome back to "prime time," sir. >> no tape tonight, chris, but we'll have something else to talk about. >> i'll talk an allocution in open court over a tape any day. why did your client decide to plead guilty? >> well, i think he had a very difficult decision to make and decided to take responsibility. and he's been through a
difficult time. his family is obviously suffering. but there's also a sense of relief when i talked to him today and a sense of liberation since when he first brought me in to help him, it was about telling the truth and about telling the truth about donald trump. and you saw in court today he not only implicated, he specifically, under oath, stated that donald trump directed him to commit a crime, making donald trump as much guilty of that felony as my client, mr. cohen. >> now, the pushback will be, well, cohen is an admitted liar and he's going to say whatever he has to to get the best deal that he can. do you believe that he could prove that he was directed by then-candidate trump? >> so thank you for asking me that question, and i once asked everybody for donald trump watching your show to listen to a tape that rudy giuliani mischaracterized. so now i'm going to say to everybody for donald trump, the
word "directed" came from donald trump's lawyers, who wrote the special counsel and said that donald trump directed michael cohen to make that payment. and rudy giuliani, who threw his client under the bus and said, it doesn't matter that on air force one, that donald trump denied knowing about the payment. he, in fact, reimbursed mr. cohen. throwing his client under the bus and i think waiving attorney-client privilege. so there is no factual dispute. mr. trump's lawyers said he directed michael cohen to make that payment. he is as much guilty of a felony. he just hasn't owned up to it. but what he did do is try to hide by asking his lawyer to do something he wasn't willing to
do because he feared the electoral consequences of what was being done was to pay hush money involving two women. >> did michael cohen agree to a cooperation deal with the government? >> so i'm not able to answer that. my colleague who should be credited with the work on this matter as a very well known criminal defense lawyer, guy petrillo, can explain that one. >> so i'm not able to answer that. my colleague who should be credited with the work on this matter, a very well-known criminal defense lawyer, guy petrillo, will be able to answer that one, but i will say categorically that michael cohen is committed to telling the truth, and nothing but the truth, and if asked by any authority, including senator warner and any congressional committee and including anybody in washington investigating president trump, he will tell the truth. of that i am certain. >> would he sit for a deposition with michael avenatti in the stormy daniels case? >> if he's subpoenaed he will comply with the subpoena if it's an appropriate subpoena. i don't know what he could add
to mr. avenatti's case, but he's a good lawyer, and he knows that if he's subpoenaed, if it's an appropriate subpoena, he would have to be comply. >> he doesn't have to be subpoena. he just has to offer his services. we'll see how that goes. you believe he will tell the truth. do you believe that michael cohen has anything to offer, that he has any new information for the special counsel or maybe the new york attorney general of wrongdoing or even potential criminal activity by then candidate or now president trump? >> i do believe he does. the new york attorney general has the jurisdiction, for example, to look into the trump foundation. michael cohen being a lawyer for donald trump for many, many years knows almost everything about mr. trump, and we'll see whether the level of corruption alleged concerning the trump foundation is a topic of concern for the new york attorney general. we know that the pardon power wouldn't apply in new york state. >> but do you think cohen knows things?
>> i do believe that he has information about mr. trump that would be of interest both in washington as well as in new york state, yes. >> to mueller as well as new york? >> i do believe so, but we'll see. i know that he putting aside the word cooperation, i know that he wants to tell the truth about mr. trump, and when he first came to me we had long conversations about his views, about the suitability of mr. trump to be president of the united states and mr. cohen is motivated by concern for his family and the country and he will tell the truth. >> lanny davis, you know what he says he knows and what he can show. thank you, sir, for being on the show. >> thanks, chris, thanks for having me. >> a lot happened today. what the does it mean? probably more than you think for better and worse. the closing argument next. if you have psoriasis, ...
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we know that expression, and now trump waving away the manafort verdict as bogus makes it worse. why? because he's accusing the citizens who took the time away from work and family and spend all that time considering the mountain of evidence and delivering a very nuanced verdict, guilty on some counts and mistrial or hung on others, that they are part of a witch-hunt, shame on him and thank you to those jurors for their service. the silence on cohen by donald trump. that speaks volumes as the saying goes. the a president's personal attorney pleading guilty, admitting to the judge that crimes he committed were committed at the direction of trump. now, the president's supporters will say cohen is an admitted liar but you heard lanny davis.
he made a good point. the president's current counsel said he directed cohen to do what he did and that's okay. now they are felonies. about trump's involvement or anything else that was said today you have to look at it for what it means to cohen. if he lies about the president directing him, his freedom goes bye-bye. he has little reason to lie so if he's correct that would also mean the president has been lying to all of you again and again about criminal conduct, and now we know why trump would have been lying. if he weren't in office right now, he might be standing right next to cohen in that court. trump refers to people like cohen as a rat, but that only shows you what he thinks of telling the truth under oath. not the reality of cohen's statements under law. truth is a virtue, so this is a bad day for trump, cohen and manafort. granted, just look at all of the people that trump -- this is just some of them, by the way. we were all haggling over this list. the list gets so big. they will never absorb all the names. these are the people and the president who have been fired, proven as frauds or liars or both. look at the list, and it's just a fraction.
the man who coined the phrase drain the swamp added the biggest varmints we've ever seen on it. many on this board may be players in the russia probe, maybe manafort and cohen, well within reach. what else could they say? why could this be a bad day for all of us? here's the simple argument. this kind of lying and disorder and fraud is disruptive to the business of making your lives better in government, but there's a grander concern. what if despite all that came out today, especially the lying to your face by trump about criminal conduct, and, remember, this isn't about judging his personal life. i don't think what the president does in his personal time is your place or my place to judge, but lying to you about potential crimes, that matters, so with all that, what if today does not change the president's polls. you heard the crowd in west virginia tonight, right? not a boo in the house. what does that tell you? could be a bad day for america.
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disputed that. he said that's what he played it, but he himself didn't feel that. >> that was basically agreeing with the facts of the case. i think that if donald trump wasn't president and didn't have those justice department guidelines, there's a good chance he would have been indicted yesterday as i coconspirator in this and a lot of legal experts think that's the case. also take a step back, john edwards was brought to trial over something very similar with less evidence about the real question is, what else doesn't michael: no? what has he told mueller, what has he told prosecutors with other cases? he's been intimately involved with donald trump for a very, very long time and i think that's why you saw last night donald trump being careful not going after him at that rally because i think the president might be a little nervous.
>> melissa: and i think there's enough here. and as -- it doesn't sound like something you would get fined for. >> i think it's a tough case to him, but the other thing you have to bear in mind with respect to cohen, cohen was originally mueller's case. mueller allowed the case to go to the southern district. >> melissa: he kicked it there there. >> andrew: right. but he would have done the same thing to cohen as he did to manafort. >> melissa: there's one different ingredient with michael cohen. he didn't stay true to the president. in the president didn't stay true to him. he didn't bring him along to the campaign. there are already some
relational type situations reported there, to, and that act of disloyalty on either part, it opened a door. you could treat him legally probably differently too. bless his background as the deputy chairman of the rnc for finance. this was a guy that was going to play differently anyway, he didn't know about the 2700. >> andrew: i think that the relative to drums calculations but as a prosecutor, i think one of the things you want to bear in mind is how effective would cohen be as a witness? >> melissa: has that changed, is he not effective now? >> he did not plead guilty to a cooperation agreement which is what you do with someone. you get the guy to plead guilty to everything, and then his only way out is to cooperate with you and you file a motion at the en
end. they didn't do that with him. it's the one there's two different things going on, there is a legal angle which you just mentioned i do think president trump's legal liability is low in this case. you look at campaign finance violations that happen all the time and his 2008 campaign was the largest we have seen, and let's talk about politics of this as well, which is the other angle. i do think this is bad for republicans in a sense and i've always been told in a political narrative, it comes in threes. this is not good for republicans, this has not been a good week for republicans. with regard to impeachment to have brought up, i think that will be tough for democrats. he would have to have an overwhelming margin of democrats in the house for them to
entertain the idea of impeachment. but what will happen is one there will be articles of impeachment. number two you will have tons of hearings that are going on by democrats. essentially you have multiple hearings going on and this is what democrats will be talking about. that does hurt president trump and trying to move things forward in his agenda. >> i've heard marie say, you can't make it all about resistance and, go after the president on impeachment, you have to have a message. >> i think yesterday change that calculation a little bit. a >> melissa: i think it's interesting, because if you go after the president on this count and say we are going to impeach, that energizes republicans who feel like they are having their president taken away. also lanny davis said earlier when he was in that interview, which i thought kind of undermined his point.
he said he had this come-to-jesus moment with michael: when he was watching the helsinki press conference. for the average american who hears that, that's not really believable and that's lanny davis putting a political spin on a case which i don't think helps him. he also begged for money twice in that interview where he talked about the website. go and donate money to michael cohen. that money you would assume will go to his defense and go to lanny davis, which was a little distasteful. >> i think they were up to $17,000. money is part of the equation. >> melissa: we have much more to talk about, we barely stretch, scratch the surface. president trump stepping in to the fiery debate over some nfl players refusing to stand for our national anthem. the president blasting the espn decision not to televise anthem before games. is this the right way for the network to handle the controversy? plus new fallout in the verdict
in the broad trial of former trump campaign chairman paul manafort. we will discuss the impact on the president and the mueller investigation. >> president trump: i feel very bad for paul manafort. it had nothing to do with russian collusion. we continue the witch hunt. ♪
and purchase a new samsung phone. visit your local xfinity store today. >> melissa: we come in with this fox news alert. new reaction from the president after a federal jury found his former campaign chairman paul manafort guilty on eight counts of the 18 on bank fraud and tax fraud. and a mistrial was declared on those other ten. manafort could face a maximum of 80 years in prison. president trump reiterated, manafort, and the case brought by robert mueller have nothing to do with his work for the campaign. watch. >> president trump: paul manafort is a good man. he was with ronald ragan and a lot of other people over the years. it doesn't involve me but i still feel it's a very sad thing
that happened. this had nothing to do with russian collusion. it started as a russian collusion and has nothing to do, it's a witch hunt and a disgrac disgrace. >> melissa: meanwhile as a president headed to a political rally in west virginia, chuck schumer warned the president against any pardons of paul manafort or his former attorney michael cohen. >> i understand the president is on his way to a rally. he better not talk about pardons for michael: , paul manafort tonight or any night in the future. >> you know, in all of this with paul manafort, even the judge in the case, ts ellis said, we aren't going to discuss russian collusion, it's not part of this case. why hammer that point now if you are the president's legal team? what are they trying to accomplish that the judge didn't
accomplish for them? >> i don't know. i think it's a mistake to keep hammering this because i think if you look objectively at what has happened here, i really don't think mueller is trying to make a collusion case against the president. i think mueller is pursuing his original objective which is russia's interference in the election of which the collusion thing was one strand. my view of it is, he's interested in manafort because of manafort, not because of trump and collusion. the reason i say that is, he's had to gates as a cooperator for six months. and yet what has happened since gates has been a cooperator? he's brought to indictments against groups of russians that don't even hint that there was any collusion. in fact reading the indictment suggests exactly the opposite, that the russians were doing their own thing.
it's three >> marie: he mentioned some congressional candidates. that is not the way that it would be done. so i think he's making a big mistake, continually attacking mueller because he sort of begging for his mueller to write a report that will be scathing. and just to defend himself. >> it doesn't look like that from the outside. >> if these people in his constellation, cohen and manafort, and lisa mentioned a wider scope. but collins and duncan hunter in that order were the first sitting members of congress to endorse the president. so they are in the constellation of conversation that we are talking about it, but if it really has nothing to do with the investigation, why even bring it up. the six i didn't mean to
indicate he wasn't interested in trump at all. leave three the new narrative that you may have picked up has nothing to do with me which is what the president said. and that i would say would be better nomenclature. or better narratives. >> andrew: it would be better than a full frontal assault on the prosecutor who up into this point has not indicated there is anything corrupt. so it does make sense for president trump to wage this battle against mueller because it is a political fight, it is a p.r. fight and that's what president trump is doing. the public polling has been different, but i think pointing to the manafort case, what president trump can say and what senator lindsey graham pointed out last night, this has nothing to do with collusion. i actually think president trump
is being smart from a p.r. standpoint and a political standpoint, maybe not from you putting your lawyer hat on. >> i would push back in this sense. i agree with you that he has done a public relations strategy because he's thinking about impeachment which is not about what happens in court. but i think you have to play out the whole chess game. whatever the polls look like now, the last word on this is going to be manafort's report. >> we talked about this once before. i'm not saying that you say anything in the report that's untrue, but you can write a report. or, you can write a report. >> that sounds like spin to me. >> is also worth remembering that the next trial that will be happening in d.c. is in a large part about manafort's work. so we don't know --
>> melissa: at the very dirty president of ukraine legally and politically. >> that's right. the russia issue -- >> there is another guy -- >> i'm talking about -- the first thing that paul manafort was lobbying for didn't report that and there are people who have said that when he was running the campaign, the platform of the campaign became much more progression and much less pro-ukrainian. so i think these issues are going to come up in the next trial. >> melissa: but we've already learned from this past trial in terms of the 58 or so million dollars, that's where some of that money was coming from because he was doing work for that former president. >> i will be interested to see if the trial happens. >> now why do you think a second trial wouldn't happen? >> if we all are right, that
what mueller is trying to accomplish is to squeeze manafort, it looks like he has them on 80 years of criminal exposure. >> you don't think he will appeal it? >> that judge put these prosecutors through the paces. and then he has the d.c. case is a home game, and i'm sure he was happy that that was first. and it's not like he was acquitted yesterday, he has ten more points in his pocket. >> it boggles my mind a little bit when people say the manafort thing has nothing to do with russia because that's where the money came from originally. it's kind of like, that's what it all goes back to india see through their how he could have become vulnerable. the question is what did he do from there and what of the do. >> melissa: and that might not
happen so what happens in its place? >> maybe he pleads guilty and cooperate with mueller which is what it's been about all along. if i were thinking of a pardon, the last thing i would want is my misconduct -- >> melissa: out while lenny davis said that michael cohen wouldn't take a pardon. >> i don't take i believe that. >> that story broke at the same time. that puts him on hold and the reporting was, it's likely because he may be ready to cooperate. >> i think flynn's sentencing has been put off because if mueller agreed to sentence him at this point, it said that we are not ready yet. sadness now combining with outrage. police have revealed the suspect
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led police to the students a body in a rural area. she disappeared more than a month ago while jogging. president trump addressed the story at his rally in west virginia last night. watch. >> president trump: you heard about today with the illegal alien coming in, very sadly, from mexico, and you saw what happened to that incredible, beautiful young woman. it should have never happened. illegally in our country. we have had a huge impact, but the laws are so bad it, the immigration laws are such a disgrace. we are getting them changed but we have to get more republicans. >> melissa: so lisa, there were three immigration stories yesterday that we watched but obviously that one was huge and so heartbreaking. there was of the mass murdering
nazi who was deported, and he was responsible for thousands of people's deaths by virtue of guarding them in poland. he was finally deported. and there was at fake news stor story, a lot of reporters were putting out there about somebody who was racing his wife to the hospital to have a baby and was deported. and here it turns out that he wasn't driving and he was wanted for murder in another country and that was totally fake news. three immigration stories yesterday that a lot of people may have missed because of the legal news. >> lisa: and i think it kind of puts in a nutshell how these things are covered by the mainstream media and also by the left. marianne mendoza, an angel mom, was on "fox & friends" recently talking about how the media puts a focus and a premium on these sob stories when it turns out the guy was wanted for murder. and representative joe kennedy who had given the democrats response to the state of the
union, clearly the democrats see the future of the party and tweeted out about the alleged murder guy saying, there is heartless and there is whatever this is. i guarantee he won't tweet about what happened in iowa. i think the point that president trump has been making, and i think the point that republicans have been making is that they wish the democrats in the mainstream media would put as much of a premium on american citizens, angel parents, then they do sometimes on illegal immigrants. and where am i wrong with that? go to representative joe kennedy's account. >> that's not the point i make. don't inaccurately label what i just said it. >> lisa. okay come on. you just said they care about immigrants more than they do american citizens. >> when do you talk about angel
parents? >> no it's okay. here's the point. democrats of course want to keep american citizens safe. the idea that they don't is completely unfair and not borne out by the facts. the truth is, we need to immigration overhaul to happen in this country. the republican house couldn't even pass up 1 of 3 bills, they try to. >> go ahead. >> we need to compromise. we need both sides not to run two extremes, to come to the middle of the table and talk about how to reform our immigration system. but saying democrats don't care about the safety of americans is not compromised talk. now i don't think that will happen before the midterms, and we will see what happens after the election but the truth is there is no one in the congress that is willing right now to take tough votes on and immigration issue because both extremes of both parties are winning today. >> harris: i will agree 100%
on that last one. leading at the democrats, some say the face of your party, a marine. then you see on the flip side, republicans, some in the house, able to get that four prong bill that the president really wanted and the senate not being able to do the same thing. it's complicated on the hill. >> and the house didn't even pass at. for the compromise bill that didn't get a single democrat vote either. >> melissa: let's hear what former i.c.e. director tom homan said, about how to actually fix this problem. >> this is why we need the wall. this is why we need to fix the loopholes. i'm sick and tired of talking about this issue and meeting yet another angel mom that has been created at the hands of illegal immigrants. >> andrew: is hyper politicized, but even the wall, people here, "the wall, and they get all whipped up. but probably 40 or 50% of
illegal immigration in the country is not border crossers, it's people who come into the country illegally and say. but if you don't fix the border enforcement component, there is a lot of rhetoric on both sides. my own position, or what it's worth, is that you have to fix the border enforcement in a way that convinces the country that we are actually serious about enforcing the borders, and then maybe that creates a political space to do all the other things that need to be done. the democrats think that is an extreme position, but i don't think that will be a position that moves. i think if you don't fix that piece first, then you don't get to everything. >> melissa: but what you are saying is we do need that political space. because when you look at rivera,
in the mollie tibbetts case, he was here in excess of four years and worked for a farm in iowa. according to the farm's ownership had gone through some sort of e-verify situation. so we need to take a look at, i guess, all of it. >> all of it. >> melissa: at the white house responding to senator schumer's call for republicans to stop the process for supreme court nominee brett kavanaugh in the aftermath of yesterday's legal developments. whether the movie is just plain politics, or fair game. ♪ oh! oh! ♪ ozempic®! ♪ (vo) people with type 2 diabetes are excited about the potential of once-weekly ozempic®. in a study with ozempic®, a majority of adults lowered their blood sugar and reached an a1c of less than seven and maintained it. oh! under seven? (vo) and you may lose weight. in the same one-year study, adults lost on average up to 12 pounds. oh! up to 12 pounds? (vo) a two-year study showed that ozempic® does not increase the risk of major cardiovascular events like heart attack, stroke, or death. oh! no increased risk?
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president of the united states to be picking a supreme court justice who could soon be effectively a juror in a case involving the president himself. >> the white house spokesman responded saying "democrats pledged to block judge kavanaugh with everything they have." frankly the latest attempt looks quite desperate. there is a hearing scheduled for september 4 and judge beat 18 will be there. i think you will get questions in his confirmation hearing about whether he would recuse himself, if, for example, anything involving the trump investigation for example, a subpoena, would make its way to the supreme court. >> why would he? >> because they nominated him. he will get the question, i should say. >> andrew: shoot from the hip, i would be inclined to answer that and say, no, because i don't like there's a basis for it. we love to say that this was pristine and legal and it occurs
on a different plane, but this is all about politics. these confirmation processes are always all about politics. the democrats will ratchet up this rhetoric because the margin is very thin them. if they can push a couple of boats to the other side, neither they block his confirmation. from my perspective i don't see anything principle from my perspective. donald trump's president until he is not, and i expect him to be president until at least 2020. i don't think cavanaugh becomes at all illegitimate because of whatever problems president trump has. deal with it and vote. >> and harris, yesterday he met with susan collins and they talked a lot about roe v. wade. there's a principled opposition on the democratic side because they are concerned about that. >> harris: they've always been concerned about that and regardless of what the president
talked about on the campaign trail, contemporaneous with him nominating kavanaugh, he said when i talk to candidates, the litmus test will not be roe vs. wade. so i think for democrats it's always been something that they are interested in and the constituency of women they are telling to be worried about it, i don't know how necessary that is. but i give more credit today than i have one week ago to democrats for sitting down with her. it's not just a couple in red state where they are in trouble. and i do so for two reasons. for one, they can make that document asking now directly to the candidate, or to the nominee. good luck with that because i have documents already. but the other thing is, how do you go back to your constituents and say, you didn't even try to get to know somebody who potentially could hold a job for decades. so i give them more credit this week than last where i would like to see democrats get, if it's possible, if it's at those hearings and ask those questions that really matter and not just all the political ones that andy
is talking about. >> melissa: and you talk about what is principal versus political, but that is about politics. i understand how everyone feels about abortion rights is very much moral in their mind, but as a political point, i think everyone is voting on a long political lines and, i know he will vote based on your politics. i don't even think there's anything wrong with that, it's better to be honest going, there is no way i'm going to vote for this person because there politics don't line up with mind. but i will still talk to them. on the republican side, totally it's completely political. >> i think the problem is, the supreme court nominees, this use to not be as political. >> win? that ship has sailed. >> andrew: even in the 90s.
ginsburg was like 98-nothing, -- >> it is to not be as political too long ago. >> melissa: but you are too ashamed to vote on party lines at that point. >> went on democrats -- the point being is the ship's sailing and it's moving forward. kavanaugh will be confirmed unless he implodes during the confirmation hearing, this thing is happening. as long as i get republicans on board. you look at polling and in a lot of these red states there's been polling in indiana, west virginia, the majority of these red states wants their senator to confirm kavanaugh. so -- >> melissa: candidates are helping that desire among theirs. >> so you are also going to pick up some of those red state democrats and this is happening. so we can debate all those different things.
>> does this change the way we look at the supreme court justice position? because you pointed out with a huge majority in favor, bipartisan or nonpartisan, whatever it was. but does this fight kind of cheapen or weaken? >> andrew: i think that ship has sailed. i think a lot of people, myself included, look at the court as much more of a political institution done a legal institution in the way it used to be. these battles are political. donald trump is president today because of justice the lease. if that had not been the case, you would not be president. it's infused with of politics and i don't think there's any getting away with it. >> we will continue to watch that hearing. president trump calling out the nfl players and the league itself over national anthem protests and now he is going after espn. what the sports network data and what the president has to say about it, next. stay tuned. speak to you are all proudly
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but first let's touch base with harris and see what's coming up on "outnumbered over time." >> harris: big show for you coming up in a few minutes. president trump going after the russian investigation after two of his former associates have been convicted. is he right? robert mueller's probe has strayed too far from its original intent. and david sicilian he will debate, and that will be spicy, no doubt. and is this more proof that we need tougher immigration laws? senator joni ernst of iowa will weigh in when she joins me. top of the hour. melissa? >> melissa: sounds like a good show, harris. president trump again weighing in on the latest of the nfl national anthem controversy. at his rally in west virginia last night. he set his sights on espn this time after the network announced
it would not show the anthem in its monday night football broadcast. listen. >> president trump: it was just announced by espn that, rather than defending our anthem, our beautiful, beautiful national anthem, and defending our flag, they have decided that they just want broadcast what they play. so while the players are dealing, you are all proudly standing for our national anthe national anthem. >> what's interesting here is they held a summit on white house reform just a few weeks ago. do you think that the players took players off the field there would be room for compromise? >> on the issue i think
possibly. and we've seen people who have gone out and work with communities and tried to get players into the community is to talk about these issues. donald trump has said these players should be fired. so yes he had a wet roundtable but his language against them is so incredibly offensive. the espn doesn't normally broadcast the anthem, it's their normal procedure and they are not going to change it now. donald trump thinks this issue wins with his base. >> but all he is doing is playing politics. >> has issue is the fact that they are doing this on the time of the game, the fact that they are doing this on the clock when they are supposed to be playing a game. >> and the owners can make that decision. >> so the difference that i say, they brought this off the field, which is what president has an issue with, maybe that's an area of compromise. you look at the majority of
voters, not just republicans in a space, but they have largely been against still kneeling. the majority of americans don't want to see this happening so how do you think announcements like this from espn play into that? how do you think the viewers will feel? >> melissa: i don't know who they are pulling when they ask people about this. we watch football, we love football football in our house. i'm generally not organized enough to be there when the national anthem is going on, i'm still making snacks in the kitchen and getting people to sit down. so i recognize the issue, but i don't think we even know -- everyone is kind of doing it for a different reason. they are out for a different issue and standing up for a different right and the whole thing kind of just goes by and it's time for the seven layer dip. >> andrew: i think it's just a master culture warrior in the sense that, he can take a 50/50 issue that is good for him, a disaster for the nfl and probably a disaster for espn.
>> but they didn't change what they did. they've never broadcasted it. >> melissa: so maybe i wasn't making chips, it just wasn't on tv. >> andrew: when i was a kid, deep into the last century, they always play the national anthem and they haven't done it for years. on tv, that is. >> melissa: every thing is political these days. more "outnumbered" in just from $899, during sleep number's 'biggest sale of the year'. it senses your movement, and automatically adjusts . . pedal to the metal. and now, all beds are on sale. save 50% on the new sleep number 360 limited edition smart bed. plus, 24-month financing and free home delivery. ends saturday. sleep number. proven, quality sleep. what does help for heart fait looks like this. entresto is a heart failure pill
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