horizon system was working? this the defendant had to accept that the horizon system was working? ben horizon system was working? as i said, i believe _ horizon system was working? as i said, i believe it _ horizon system was working? es 1 said, i believe it has horizon system was working? is i said, i believe it has happened. horizon system was working? as i | said, i believe it has happened. as it happened in a case you were involved in? i it happened in a case you were involved in?— involved in? i can't say for definite — involved in? i can't say for definite that _ involved in? i can't say for definite that it _ involved in? i can't say for definite that it has, - involved in? i can't say for definite that it has, sort . involved in? i can't say for| definite that it has, sort of involved in? i can't say for- definite that it has, sort of thing. but in mr thomas's interview, he did say he didn't like the horizon system, because he kept getting error notices, which indicated he was actually making the error, rather than it being the system, and that could be a reason why they may have gone down that line. flan that could be a reason why they may have gone down that line.— have gone down that line. can we lease have gone down that line. can we please look _ have gone down that line. can we please look at — have gone down that line. can we please look at 00,017,903? - please look at 00,017,903? this is a different case, the case of catherine jane mchugh. were you the officer in that case?— the officer in that case? correct. you were _ the officer in that case? correct. you were named _ the officer in that case? correct. you were named as _ the officer in that case? correct. you were named as disclosure i the officer in that case? correct. - you were named as disclosure officer and i think the interviewing officer in that case as well. yes. i in that case as well. yes. ., ., , .,
i had no dealing with that case, that was done with the other officer, and this is what was done with our solicitors.— officer, and this is what was done with our solicitors. lawyers obtain instructions _ with our solicitors. lawyers obtain instructions from _ with our solicitors. lawyers obtain instructions from their _ with our solicitors. lawyers obtain instructions from their clients - with our solicitors. lawyers obtain instructions from their clients on i instructions from their clients on the whole. was the post office providing instructions to the lawyers in this respect given a where was this coming from? has lawyers in this respect given a where was this coming from? ben where was this coming from? as i have explained, _ where was this coming from? isi have explained, the investigation would put all the papers together and send it off to the lawyers. lawyers made the bulk of every decision. that would sort of come back to us. we wouldn't say, oh, yeah, we will have to claim as long as they see this or say that. that would be decided at a higher level than me, and its comes from, whether it is mr singh in charge of any of the other lawyers. can we look at the next, please?