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in or focused on what is going on. once you get more paid media focusing on his accomplishments and job creation but economic successes as president but what he will do in a second term you get the avengers out there on the campaign trail, the cabinet members, mayors, a strong bench of topnotch surrogates out there. once you see it heat up on the democrat side, there will be a lot of excitement and enthusiasm and it will reflect in similar polls like this. >> this is, i think, the first time matthew in my lifetime, that we are seeing a rematch of two former presidents. it has been a minute since we have seen that. how much of that is a factor? this is a match up that people were not excited about from the get go. irrespective of who the two men are and how different they are but the mere fact that it is a replay of two individuals and
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a lot of voters who are not tuned in to the election and who are not focused on what's going on. and i think once you get more paid media out from biden's campaign, focusing on his accomplishments. focusing on not only the job creation, but the successes as president that he has achieved so far. you'll get what i call the avengers out there on the campaign trail, the cabinet members, the governor. we have a strong bench of really topnotch surrogates out there. once you see the campaign heat up, i think it will be a lot of excitement and a lot of enthusiasm, and that will make a big difference and reflect in similar polls like this. >> this is the first time matthew, certainly in my lifetime that we're seeing a rematch of two former presidents. it's been a minute. it's safe to say we've seen this. how much of that is a factor that this is a matchup that people are not necessarily excited about from the get go? and in respective of who these two men and how different they are by the mere fact it's kind
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joining us, msnbc's yasmin vossoughian outside the courthouse. temidayo aganga-williams, a former prosecuor and defense attorney caroline pull lisi. >> yasmin, jury instrekss under way right now. what's going on? >> jury instructions under way ahead of opening statements, jose and ana. 45 minutes for the prosecution, 25 minutes for the defense. they're doing that because there's going to be a lot of details, much of a timeline, a lot of dates and they don't want to overwhelm the jury in the opening statements process. judgments made from the bench that i want to talk about with you quickly, first, when it comes to the -- evidence if, in fact, the former president decides to testify, judge juan merchan is allowing six various cases to be decided if donald trump it was. talking about the trump payroll
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president trum's defense was more emotional, a lot of ad-libbing. there was -- not chaos, but a lot of kinetic activity when prosecutors started objecting to the opening statement. the judge called multiple times for counsel to approach the bench and discuss those objections. just two very different ways of presenting the case to the jury. we got a real roadmap as to how this case is going to do. >> rachel, one of the things i keep hearing aboutnd reading about is how complex this actually is, when you want to make the dots to go together, for some people it's not going to rise to the level in their mind of a crime. it's up, obviously, to the prosecutor to make that case this isn't just about hush money, but here is why this is a felony offense under the law. did they do that? what was a clear, cogent story
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