he met with after the mass shooting and the victims of another preventable tragedy, this time in his hometown. watch. uvalde, texas, is where i was born. it s where my mom taught kindergarten less than a mile from robb elementary. uvalde is where i learned to master a disy bb gun. took two years before i graduated to a 410 shotgun. uvalde is where i was taught to revere the power and the capability of the tool that we call a gun. uvalde is where i learned responsible gun ownership. wore green high top converse with a heart she had drawn on the right toe because they represented her love of nature, camilla s got these shoes. can you show these shoes, please? wore these every day, green converse with a heart on the right toe. these are the same green converse on her feet that turned out to be the only clear evidence that could identify her after the shooting. how about that? you know what every one of these parents wanted what they asked for, what every parent separately expr
actually did this well who was the congresswoman from georgia who obviously had a personal connection having a loss of life by guns, won a swing district in georgia because she did it in a compelling way, and she talked about it and she won there in georgia, and so it s not a message for the freds of the world or the yous of the world, it s a message for the other people around washington who talk about this issue. fred, you pulled out a part of matthew mcconaughey s comments that we didn t pull, just for anyone watching our show, he talked about meeting with all the families and then he talked about meeting with the woman who works at the mortuary to prepare the bodies for wakes and funerals, and there is a debate raging in journalism right now about whether whether seeing what these weapons of war do to their victims in this case to third grade victims needs to be part
the side of gun safety in america to reframe it in this way, but i wonder what you think of this conversation shifting to the best way to protect gun rights is to use guns responsibly and safely. is that something that you think resonates in places it hasn t to date. well, i have to say that watching matthew mcconaughey who s two modern iconic texans, one is matthew mcconaughey, and the other is willie nelson. to have matthew mcconaughey standing up there having been born in uvalde and growing up in texas, who represents texas, you couldn t have a better person to do that. the thing that i thought he did well that i have tried to talk about numerous times was, one, not take this as it s not a debate between gun owners and non-gun owners. it s a debate between people that want to do nothing to solve
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political paralysis is leaving law enforcement with precious few tools that we re not doing any of the above. what s your response to rick s idea? well, totally i totally agree, by the way, and really, if you talk to fbi agents who work organized crime and talk to fbi agents who work international terrorism, they re birds of a feather. they take the same approach. so, totally agree. here s the problem. it can t be done. right now, we don t have the reason why you can work international terrorism like organized crime and treat it as an enterprise and treat people as investigative subjects because of their association with a group is because we have designation of international terrorism organizations. we have a law called material support to terrorism that applies to international terrorist affiliates and associates. we ve got nothing of the kind with regard to domestic terrorism. so, yes, amen. let s treat domestic terrorism as organized crime. how do you do that when you have no