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Sort of threw out the plans to the saturn v launch vehicles. we should never make that mistake again. at the same time all the talent we built up in these space centers, we need to utilize that talent to help us move toward these new goals. there are commercial space endeavors that are coming online that are going to help out in this, and i think that that -- that great support should be spread across the whole panoply so that everybody can use it. >> threw out the plans. derrick pitts of the fr...