done through a third party. i believe the binary system is exacerbating all of our problems. its time has passed. it plays to all of the divisions in society. i agree with that. it gives one side an easy out when they re out of power to just oppose. yes, the right weaponizes that in the way the left doesn t want to or can t figure out how to when they re out of power. i believe you need more parties but it s going to be harder. there is no question it s good solution. you can t get term limits because the people in power does not want to cede any of it. if you can have a real labor party and i know some people are going to try to attack the idea of oh, that s communism, no. i am talking about people who earn a wage that happens to be the biggest slice of workers in this country and small businesses that don t get
top progressive congressman ro khanna joins me now. it s good to have you. good to be back on. i want to talk about, you know, what you just heard from paul, what it means. but just on the existential level, the idea that your opponents, right, in a binary system, it s half, are all in on saying you guys cheated the last time, they are changing the laws in states to allow you to not cheat this time, and they are going to do everything they can to find out ways to change elections that they lose in the midterms. do you believe that your party is aware of the threat and preparing for the same? yes, we are. and that s why it s not just, chris, about the january 6 commission. we not only have to hold trump accountable and defeat trump. we have to address the
american life, yet democrats remain mired. is it robust debate and the battle of ideas that democratic voters want or something something less than that? yes, the main holdup is not about the party, it s not endemic. it s individual. joe manchin. kyrsten sinema. some people in the house. but even they aren t on the same page with each other. nobody knows what s going on with sinema. so what does that mean for democrats down the line? and are they getting anywhere? top progressive congressman ro khanna joins me now. it s good to have you. good to be back on. i want to talk about, you know, what you just heard from paul, what it means. but just on the existential level, the idea that your opponents, right, in a binary system, it s half, are all in on saying you guys cheated the last time, they are changing the laws in states to allow you to not cheat this time, and they are going to do everything they can to find out ways to change elections that they lose in the midterms.
is in terms of wins and losses for one of the two parties because both of the parties are trying to get back into power or getting a old on power. so no one actually wants to solve any public problems. they just want to have issues that allow them to win the next election. and it also creates a situation in which we have one party that s the party of the cities of cosmopolitan, multiracial america and another party that s the party of rural small town traditionalist christian america. and they are they are so separated in geographical space and by social networks that they view the other party as a fundamental threat. it s fundamentally different. and when you have a binary system in which people are sorted like that, it s really eeasy to demonize. but when you have five or six parties people are going to have more diverse networks and be
because both of the parties are trying to get back into power or getting a old on power. so no one actually wants to solve any public problems. they just want to have issues that allow them to win the next election. and it also creates a situation in which we have one party that s the party of the cities of cosmopolitan, multiracial america and another party that s the party of rural small town traditionallest christian america. and they are they are so separated in geographical space and by social networks that they view the other party as a fundamental threat. it s fundamentally different. and when you have a binary system in which people are sorted like that, it s really eeasy to demonize. but when you have five or six parties people are going to have more diverse networks and be willing to engage with other ideas. it makes politics more