similarly just indiscriminate and brutal, and almost beyond comprehension. you know, zelenskyy seems to understand, it s very interesting to hear him say, we need to talk so let s be very much understands, there is no military victory in the offing here. there are simply out there, that a diplomatic solution. and that the only binding constraint for putin is essentially to be in front of the mind of the world s attention. well, i think that one possible break on putin s actions in the end, is this you want to crush this entire country? as they want to bring russia into a situation where it s a pariah state? where it s a gigantic version of what venezuela was. you know, just, is that with the modern world, one of modern russia is going to be.
three years to kind of reach for extreme ideas to keep people out of the country. more than that, i mean, there are multiple incidents as reported in your book of the president essentially not viewing the law as a binding constraint. he says do a thing against the law and people say that s not lawful and he basically doesn t care. right. i mean, they pushed back against him when things weren t legal, when they thought things weren t moral or ethical and when they thought things weren t practical. closing the 2,000 mile border isn t practical. and the president sometimes could be talked out of things and sometimes pushed forward. one of the things that everybody told us as we interviewed folks for the book was they would talk him out of something, they would think that he had sort of let it go, and then he would come back to it again and again, the idea of an electrified fence, the idea of spikes on the top of a wall that could pierce human
no this is a line that cannot be crossed. the binding constraint on what our government does it is here. tearing a 12-month-old baby from a mother and throwing them into, quote, a tage shelter. that s the first time that has happened in the trump administration. they ve had setbacks and been constrained but it was politically in congress, john mccain and the aca fight or the courts. this was more than that. this was a victory in the conscious of the american people. joining us by phone is peter shea. thank you for joining us tonight. you are also in the center of the story. you are part of this executive order, even though you re not mentioned by name because the president s executive order does specifically cite the flores case, which has been controlling the rules of how the federal
he s someone who said the president has the potential to be the greatest president we have. like every republican, including jeff flake, basically moved lock step with him from a policy perspective. there s been a question all along about what the binding constraints on this presidency are and whether the institutions of american civil society and rule of law will hold in the face of someone who manifestly has no care for them sitting in the oval office, that being the president. and in the past what has constrained him has been politics, thebo obama care figh. and the courts. the travel ban, held up in the courts 1.0 and 2.0. in the court and we should get a ruling soon, 3.0. this was the moral conscious of the nation rising up and saying no this is a line that cannot be crossed. the binding constraint on what
will act as if they don t know who he is and try to destroy all pictures of him being anywhere in donald trump s presence. i mean, this one is going to be an awful lot harder to erase from trump campaign history as they re trying to do with papadopoulos. they tried to distance themselves from paul manafort. that s right. said he was guy who served for a very limited time and a very limited capacity. he was a campaign chair. there is nobody they ve not been willing to try to distance from no matter how close into the inner circle. i don t think that the boundary here for the trump campaign is making credible statements about what is going on. i don t think the binding constraint is saying something that actually holds up to anyone. i think the real question is did clovis know anything. who does know what and what do they actually know about it. the thing that is tricky here is in the midst of these, you have to keep running the administration and you have to figure out what you kn