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And what they say is that this new measure in massachusetts requires the school district to base it decisions on, quote, merit and ability which sounds good in theory, but they say those terms are not defined, and that winds up giving too much discretion to the administrators. >> yeah. and, you know, we really want to see that student achievement through a value-ed mod o el be at least 50% of the evaluation. we actually want to make the evaluation system more concrete so it is less arbitrary. so...

And the institutions have different thing they look at. and its not surprising when they get to the national security council that they -- theyre their are differing views. >> is part of the problem -- >> thats fine. >> is part of the problem for you guys, from that administration at that time that it was so controversial -- >> what was contentious? >> it decisions that you took collectively? >> theyre tough decisions, you bet. >> because they were so polarizing these decisions, that inevitably ...

Affairs. maybe she was doing exactly what the president wanted. >> so maybe it was him that was indecise sniff. >> -- indecisive? >> conceivably. i dont know -- hes the president, the man who was elected, and you go back in history -- think of george shultz and cap weinberger, and you think of brzezinski and kissinger and roger -- and theres something about the institutions, the way the decisions -- first of all, the only ones that get to the president are complicated, theyre tough and big. and ...

You guys, from that administratio administration at that time that it was so controversial -- >> what was contentious? >> it decisions that you took collectively? >> theyre tough decisions, you bet. >> because they were so polarizing these decisions, that inevitably theres been an extended blame game ever since? >> i dont think there has been. >> but there has, hasnt there? >> no. >> you dont think so? >> not too much, no. compared to other administrations? >> youre in public life a heck of a lo...

The word. getting troops out of iraq like he said he would, healthcare reform first time in 40 years. reforming wall street. he wont attack immigration, he has legitimate definable accomplishments which is what he said he would do. megyn: why does tho that not resonate with people in his own party who has intellectual people say all right he hasnt done anything we wanted him to do but hes done a lot. >> reporter: they are making t- decisions style over substance. when he has to run against someb...

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