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You know, i have to imagine that that is said in part to get back to cohen. i dont know of any other direct contact, but what has existed has been enough. >> just in terms of, you know, the chief of staff kelly, kind of feeling within the white house -- is it as -- i mean, i guess with giuliani out there sort of making gaffe after gaffe, thats got to have been a concern. >> i mean, its frustrating -- look, youve seen the stories about how trump is really frustrated. the reality is that, yes, tru...