martha: karen, you want to address that before before we ghoa. first of all it s not a jobs bill, it s a stimulus. that s what we should refer to it as. the white house doesn t want to call it a stimulus because they know that s a toxic word. if the president really cared about infrastructure, he wouldn t be doing this through a second stimulus, he d be out there urging congress to pass a six-year, fully funded highway bill. that s how you get money into the system and it happens with a great deal of transparency and accountability than you would have a stimulus. don t forget it s the stimulus that allowed the funding of solyndra and a lot of these other failed risk taking that hasn t actually produced anything good for the economy. martha: got to go, ladies. there s so many things, obvious lerks that are intertwined in this whole conversation about class warfare and what s best, how to get this economy working again, and we re touching on sort of all of those tentacles to this. ki