means to talk about why you are running and do it yourself. that is the best course of action. >> jamal, you are talk about trumpism and magaism is on the ba ballot, but what is the impact if trump ends up skipping all of the debates and the impact? >> well, this is the dang ter o all of that, and the question is, and the answer is because you asked it, but the challenge is for donald trump that campaigns are like kindling, and every one of the candidates is like a little piece of kindling, and you never quite know when the kindling is going to catch fire. so if he is not present, everyone is going after him and after each other, and somebody might have a breakout moment, and he won't be there to arrest the moment or steal it back are the that moment which he is really good at, and this is the point where he is in trouble, and somebody has a breakout, and they begin to rise in the polls, and he is not there to stop it.
the person you're running against. i don't, the strategy should be, i think i should be president of the united states, and that person shouldn't. and let me tell you why that person shouldn't be president of the united states. the only one making that argument, which seems to be the argument you make when you're running against somebody, if somebody like chris christie. or, somebody like age hudson. >> and donald trump is making that argument, as well. especially when it comes to his chief rival, ron desantis. and i'm wondering what you make of how we could see a potential break out, and what we can compare it to on the debate stage, in just 10 days now. we don't even know if donald trump is going to be on that debate stage, but a lot of folks looking at ron desantis, right. we you and i've talked about this before. this is a real moment for him to have a breakout, can he actually do, it is the question? >> well interesting thing to me, if i were donald trump, just thinking through how his mind works, but if you can. is, i would actually at this point say, okay, i will go to
other local iowa elected, that they are the ones that can take on president biden, come the general election. it is a chance for candidates to try to attempt, in the past, to break out behind who might be the favorite, and so we've seen that a lot of the candidates like vice president mike pence, and ron desantis, florida governor ron desantis, senator tim scott, are all really trying to convince voters that they're the better option than trump, but they are still very much in the shadow, and i'm a little skeptical but this time around, this fair will actually be a potential breakout for any of these candidates. >> that is certainly something a lot of people are watching. i will play for you, this is 30 minutes ago, what was said and we can discuss on the other side. >> these are great people running the primary, by the way. i love them all.
and before she knew it, she had another gun in her hand. and she fired a warning shot. telling dustin to stay down. >> i could hear her yelling on him to stay on the ground. don't get up, don't get up. and then another shot, and then another. and finally, dustin was still. there was no sign of a second in trudeau. tracy's husband, michael, had been out of state when the breakout occurred. there must have been questions occurring in your brain. how is she? how are the kids? >> there were too many questions. >> reunited with the family, he was puzzled what would happened. >> the story is that this incredibly brave mama bear is protecting her cubs, against these two home invaders? >> it was incredible. i was proud of her. they are my heroes. >> but he said he could not understand why dustin wehde, a
president, and now i think it's too late for ron desantis. >> bill: you never know what happens on a debate stage. and leo, you can get -- >> trump is not going to show up. >> bill: and you can break through, and somebody like desantis or one of the others is the person you are talking about the next day. >> bill, truth social today, president trump announced i think he's not going to appear because why punch now, and so it will be interesting to see if any one of the other candidates can survive. but i don't foresee president trump with a commanding lead participating in the debate, that's my understanding and what he announced on truth social. >> bill: he's always invited, 23 days to get it done. you can still have somebody on stage to make the breakout. captures the attention, that's all. >> i'll say this to you. president trump's lead is insurmountable and he has a connection with the american
>> are you jealous of his solo success? >> don't mention it. >> we did quite pull a record together. >> george went solo and went from being one of the biggest stars on the planet to being the biggest star on the planet. >> george michael's first album which came out in 1987. >> it was a breakout a dramatic breakthrough. >> then he does something very bold and very brave. in "faith" he releases, i want your sex. that was the moment where he was like, i got the world's attention.
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presidential limousine right now, should be heading over to meet with king charles at windsor castle. we will keep an eye on this. you are looking at the live pictures, the president stopping in london today heading out to windsor for his first meeting with king charles since the coronation before he heads off to the major nato summit. we're talking about politics as well, obviously not just the u.s. president heading into a significant international summit at nato. big bilateral visit with the prime minister, but also a 2024 reelection candidate already at this point in time. sorry, kristen, i interrupted. >> no but i do want to note one thing, it's still very early, we haven't gotten to the debates yet, there is still an opportunity for him to have another breakout. he started out strong, but people didn't know him, were looking for an alternative to trump and people are still looking for an alternative to trump. >> he's blaming the media, it's never the candidate's fault when the polling is bad, always the media. there was reporting out there that he's looking at a shift in media strategy where he will be doing more interviews with the