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president, and now i think it's too late for ron desantis. >> bill: you never know what happens on a debate stage. and leo, you can get -- >> trump is not going to show up. >> bill: and you can break through, and somebody like desantis or one of the others is the person you are talking about the next day. >> bill, truth social today, president trump announced i think he's not going to appear because why punch now, and so it will be interesting to see if any one of the other candidates can survive. but i don't foresee president trump with a commanding lead participating in the debate, that's my understanding and what he announced on truth social. >> bill: he's always invited, 23 days to get it done. you can still have somebody on stage to make the breakout. captures the attention, that's all. >> i'll say this to you. president trump's lead is insurmountable and he has a connection with the american
>> bill: we have a debate in 23 days and maybe it comes up, maybe it doesn't, we'll see then. we know it's going to come up, that's the economy. desantis has rolled out a plan about the border, now he's talking about the economy as well. and a lot of his ideas have to do with china and his whole idea about decoupling from china. and we have seen that play before. how do you think it works for him in his campaign? >> it won't work. that's a poor man's version of the trump make america great program. besides decoupling from china, he wants to up unleash america's energy. and "new york times" poll, he's losing -- his margin of error now, he's lost it. he can't reboot his campaign, bill, by basically using trump talking points. those points are what trump has done as president, when he was