and they never discussed with us anything with respect to the charge that will be brought. so this notion that somehow there would be any attempt to interfere in an independent agency is completely false. okay, john harwood, help me out here. why would it look bad for any politician to say let s get tough with these bad guys to any regulatory agency? i guess i don t see where there s a downside to saying hey let s all be dick tracies here. let s all get these guys. reporter: well i think that you ve got a point, chris. i think the question is was there any interference? and the president was very strong in saying, absolutely there was not. i see. reporter: and you know he s pushing back against this mistrust in the country, and one of the things that people might point to, we ll see how the s.e.c. s case turns out but greg craig, is now going to represent goldman. and if you are of a mind, as a lot of people are on the right, the left, to distrust the bonus was government you