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become actual parents, who want to adopt, who want to go buy cakes, who want to buy flowers, who want to have parties and everything that everyone else wants to do, so how does that turn out in the end for them? well, i think that what you re going to see if this case is any indication is that we have to try to find a balancing on both he free exercise and free speech. for example, there could be lots of bakers that have objections to lots of cakes. you could have a jewish baker who is asked to make an anti-semetic cake or an african-american baker who is asked to make a racist cake. they will be objecting and we have to find some accommodation. and i think that s what a the court is sort of trying to find that middle ground on. arthel: i mean, listen, in terms of businesses, private businesses, they have a right to do what they want to do, serve who they want to serve. but then when you start looking at the religious aspect of it, of course there s separation of

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