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A deception of evidence and withholding evidence is a crime. >> lets look at the tax filing of any of these groups and ask yourself how close they came to breaking the law. by involving themselves in right wing republican campaigns. >> you think -- im sorry dana, do you think the 504 c 4s are breaking the law then those are the unions. >> i think in some cases they do, yes. >> then maybe we should start looking at them. >> look at them. >> they have a $12 billion budget but $1.8 billion is speci...

It seem it is prosecutors are focused on johnson, jordahl and the governor. i cant tell you if you are the walker campaign, on top of dismal job reports today in wisconsin, you almost have to be spinning out of control if you are that campaign now. >> you know, you involved in the recall and groups like wisconsin club for growth are classified as 501-c-4s. it means they cant coordinate with campaigns and they cannot push candidates on the issues. watch this ad that they ran in 2011. >> governor ...

Great shape, so they could actually use somebody really good. the larger principle of attacking people for their speech. weve seen this. its a pattern. what happened at the irs, people who were trying to express their opinion, their beliefs through these 501 c 4s were targed by the irs. just today, there was report from testimony at the irs said no liberal groups were targeted. its this acceptance in some quarters of allowing people to be attacked for their beliefs regardless of what they are ab...

September 2010 when lerner wrote of tax exempt social welfare groups known at 501 c 4s. she said, my guest is those who political activity never pay the tax on the activity, and we surely should be looking at that. wouldnt that be a surprising turn of events? my object is not to look for political activity, more to see whether self-declared c4s are really acting like c4s. so lerner did direct her unit to find out if social welfare groups were really into social welfare. no mention of conservativ...

I thought perhaps a coincidence. yesterday in looking at these emails, it just cant be a coincidence. even the reference to cincinnati. it does look like a covert behind the scenes dirty effort to reverse a decision. >> right. >> someone may think its a lousy decision, maybe it should be reversed -- maybe some legislation, whatever. but this is done by the irs at a covert fashion behind the scenes, targeting people. >> yeah. and, look, liberal groups have been using 501 c 4s to be involved in pu...

I thought perhaps a coincidence. yesterday in looking at these emails, it just cant be a coincidence. even the reference to cincinnati. it does look like a covert behind the scenes dirty effort to reverse a decision. >> right. >> someone may think its a lousy decision, maybe it should be reversed -- maybe some legislation, whatever. but this is done by the irs at a covert fashion behind the scenes, targeting people. >> yeah. and, look, liberal groups have been using 501 c 4s to be involved in pu...

The heavy hammer of their power to try to shut down political speech. >> silencing your critics is commonplace in authoritarian country. >> mr. speaker, for goodness sakes, this is not about the first amendment. this is about allowing secret money in campaigns. >> whenever somebody in washington tells you dont really its not really about free free speech, trust me it is. >> coward back room regulation. >> they try to look pop police by creating false and fake scandals. >> house majority whip ken...

All of these are tax deductibles. here are the unions they are allowed to do it all. this the is present administration trying to stifle the voices. this isnt just about republicans opposed to. this aclu opposed to this and also the syria club. because this is what the new proposal would be. stifle the a 01 c 4s. >> whats the difference between 501 c 4 and 501 c 3. >> this is tax deductible. this is charitable these are syria club. these are your volunteer firefighters. these are the individual ...

About a progressive hedge fund guy putting in, trying to put in $100 million, you have the koch brothers and a lot of organizations on the right battling each other and the irs decision that may be coming down where 501 c 4s will be altered. are we going to be spending the first six months talking about campaign finance and exactly, you know, how we keep huge money out of these races? >> well, well need to be talking about something because were going to want to talk about the 2014 election befo...

Social policy so that if this candidate is promoting the issue that we care about, its not really politicking its for better social life? >> thats exactly what this deals with you know, most of the debates about campaign finance and free speech turn on whether something is an issue or whether its campaigning. for example, the proposed regulations would redefine issue ads where group out there tells a senator to vote for a bill or vote against it. if they mention his name 30 to 60 days before an ...