children before their parents got their green cards. that's going to do it for a monday edition of "way too early." "morning joe" starts right now. ♪ good morning. it's monday, may 19th. welcome to "morning joe," everybody. look, it just might be a beautiful day. with us on set we have the chairman of deutsch incorporated, donny deutsch. >> good morning. pretty. >> no. you're in trouble. >> okay. >> really? we'll talk. some people have excuses. and other people have excuses. all right. msnbc political analyst and visiting professor of nyu, harold ford jr. is here. hello. the host of "way too early," the
always joyful effervescent thomas roberts. >> good morning. >> you're always in a good mood. >> i try. >> i need some of that. >> you're always in a good mood. >> i'm a little bogged down by life. but there's no reason for that. that's what you tell me. and in washington we have the ceo of politico, jim vandehei. several stories developing right now. in california 47 homes are in ruins following an outbreak of wildfires around san diego. crews battled flames on multiple fronts. some families were spared while others lost everything. the entire state is facing a serious drought. and the governor is warning this year's wildfires will be the worst. and relentless rain have left most of serbia under flooding.
massive evacuations is underway. the death toll sitting at 25 is expected to rise. the mers virus is spreading here in america. now a third possible case in the u.s. doctors say it could spread through something as simple as a hand shake. we'll have a report from dr. nancy snyderman in a few minutes. and the va admits 23 people have died because of delayed care. a new information points, though, to a far deeper problem. an ohio paper says delayed treatment is a factor in more than 100 deaths. we'll be looking into that. and it was a packed house for friday's first know your value conference which donny missed in hartford. hundreds of women took part in a wide ranging issues. we're going to show you some of the highlights coming up. >> mea culpa, i was privileged
to be invited to judge -- >> yep. celebrity judge. >> with yourself and mr. scarborough. and i got plans. >> i got big footed because of you. >> exactly. >> i was big footed because of you and i sat home friday night. >> it's always about the children. i got plans to come up to hartford and i was taking "morning joe" chopper 5 up there, and i have to be home at 4:00 on fridays when my kids get home from school. this is a true story. so it's children first. that's what happens. and once again the scarborough chopper 5 did not work. by the way, 500 women -- >> you know what i said when your chopper wouldn't go in the rain, they all went, please. >> do you think i'd turn down 500 women? >> that's a good excuse.
>> how was the conference? >> it was amazing. we'll have more coming up. you owe me some shoes. let me get to the shoes. first heading into the heat of the election season. according to politico. likely voters around the country would prefer a republican over a democrat by seven points. nine in ten say the health care law would be important in determining their vote. 60% of the voters say the health care debate should not be over. but a number that perhaps could help democrats, 58% say a candidate's stance on the income disparity between men and women will impact their decision in november. we have a story coming up connected to that. these numbers come as some of the toughest races will be decided tomorrow. races playing out across the map from oregon to pennsylvania to
the deep south. despite big money from the senate conservatives fund, tea party candidate matt bevin trails mitch mcconnell. the senate majority leader is on cruise control. but the same poll shows mcconnell trailing democratic likely challenger alison lundergan grimes. david perdue seeming in the lead. but it would take both slashing, spending, and increasing revenue to take down the debt. it's what his opponents have jumped on. >> he never voted in a regular republican primary. he's flip-flopped on issues that are key to republican voters' common core. and now we found out just this week that he seems to be a little bit soft when u it comes to not raises taxes. >> i use the word revenue.
revenue is a code word for taxes in politics, obviously. the point i've been making for over a year is we've got to get the economy going that will increase the tax base and help the crisis. >> voter turnout is expected to be below 20% and at least three other candidates are in striking distance. the winner takes on michelle nunn. then there's mississippi where chris mcdaniel is trying to unseat thad cochran. a blogger has been charged with felony for taking a picture and posting a photo online of cochran's wife who was in nursing home. what? the blogger clayton thomas kelly is a mcdaniel supporter. but what's the point of this? how would that not backfire? >> politics these days has become more and more nonsense. >> mcdaniel has condemn's the blogger's actions.
first of all, we'll be hearing from kasie hunt in the next hour. big conversation on the midterms and what's going on with those primaries. but what do you make of those polls and how it looks it's playing out on the campaign trail? >> start with the politico poll. the important part there is the poll was just in competitive house and senate areas. it's not a national poll. it's where the elections will be decided and republicans have a decisive advantage. and the fact that 90% of people have very passionate feelings about health care shows you that is the singular issue of the campaign and does tilt the republicans' way. which is the reason they have that lead. you have that broader environment. then inside of that, the big story of the campaign has been that the establishment has been able to get better candidates, to get more money in to support those candidates and beat back the most electable candidates in the races. we don't know what's going to happen in georgia. one of the most interesting things you said about the
georgia is less than 20% of voters are going to vote in that primary. there's almost more candidates than there are people that will vote. but it does look like an establishment-backed candidate will win. you come out of those with the candidate republicans want. >> donny? >> obviously your poll shows for health care a robust issue for republicans. but as we get close to the general election and as better and better news comes out for health care, is there a possible misstep waiting in the wings for republicans here? >> that's always a possibility. in durability in health care numbers i see on which people planning on voting do oppose the law work in the republicans' favor. the other thing to keep an eye on is win back the senate, i would look at that poll you're talking about in kentucky where it's really a dead heat for
whether or not mitch mcconnell can -- thought it was going to be down. almost every poll i've seen shows he's up. this is still very much up for grabs. i think health care is going to be the issue which is why every outside group is pouring money into that issue. >> i think they can capitalize on income inequality. are you surprised at the numbers? >> i think alison grimes is a better candidate. >> have we underestimated her? >> the sense of those in the national press are wrong. i've met her. i've wachd her. she has performed at a lel that democrats in that state are proud of. i watched matt bevin, a republican opponent for mcconnell, yesterday on one on the sunday shows. even if he said he wouldn't support grimes, he said he
wouldn't support mitch mcconnell. if we know any kind of division amongst republicans could open a door for her to win narrow in this race. i give her a lot of credit for hanging tough. and obviously hanging well to beat the head bot with the error in news polls. >> whether the president has been completely successful against the republican opposition or not. that is a fair shot. and the issue of equal pay within that, but the income disparity problem that we are seeing in this country. people like elizabeth warren who are heroes on the left and you've also, donny, got companies now stepping up realizing if people aren't going to come around in washington, we're going to do what we have to do. we're going to do what we can do. >> the health care law worked better in kentucky than it did in other states. that could be one of the key factors to the extent the political poll is being decided. >> he opened up kentucky's
health care state exchange. didn't rely on the federal government and they were able to get people in the special statewide program that other states could try to emulate. >> i think his opponent is -- >> she's not running on that. >> portland, oregon, is pulling its money out of one of the biggest corporations. the city will no longer invest in walmart. the city has adopted socially responsible concerns. wages is mentioned in this as well. by 2016 the city will have eliminated $36 million in holdings or about 3% of the city's portfolio. >> it's interesting. particularly with millennials today, corporations behaving the right way has everything to do
with income inequality, so on and so forth. this also goes back to the health care thing and the republican party of no. it's all about populism today. as our nation, as these young people come up, they want income inequality across demographics. they want it across sex. they want companies to behave a certain way. and they want health care for the masses. and i still believe that although on paper this health care argument seems to be juicy for republicans, as we get to november, the issue will backfire. >> i totally agree with you. and the argument against that is you don't want everybody to have health care, really? >> it's all the same blush. it's all about a populist nation. >> the story after story of walmart employees, mcdonald's employees getting food stamps or living below the poverty line.
it's impossible in this country to say i'm against a minimum wage hike. are you serious? >> the one thing we've seen from the issue with minimum wage and so many fast food worker strikes and that's ignited a fire worldwide about what that means for quality paywise. >> and women by the way. >> but we get the video, right? we get the video of the protests and we can see them really relate to what they're trying to say, but donny's point to millennials and how they organize now. it's hash tag protests. it's social media. >> the fact -- two things that concern me about what democrats in the congress and white house have not been able to accomplish, number one is that. number two, makes no sense why they have taxed private equity who are benefitting from the interest. they tax people over a quarter million dollars a higher rate. the thing they haven't done to address one of the great
inequities that could create extra resources for small businesses who say if i raise minimum wage, it hurt this bottom line. the fact we're not producing higher paying jobs is equally as shameful. >> in this morning's "usa today," the front page dominates with the at&t's purchase of directv for $48 billion. it's a huge challenge to cable and stands to reshape content on everything from mobile devices to tvs to tablets. to offer a single bill for cell phone, internet, and tv. that would be nice. it still needs to go through the fec. but if approved, the entertainment giant would serve 26 million people. let's bring in david goust who wrote the story. what is it for the consumer in terms of when this could come to
pass and how it would change their lives? >> the companies say if this does come to pass, it would probably not show up on your bill until next year. what it could mean is the second largest wireless provider in the country would also then become the second largest paid tv provider. that represents part and parcel the big part in the entertainment industry. that is not done. >> my gosh. it's -- i'm trying to think of a bigger deal that -- >> obviously the comcast/time warner deal was in this same vain. the end of the day, we want to watch our "morning joe." so in the past whether it was a cable, now it's a possibly device, whether it's a telephone company. he or she who has content equals ie balls, equals winners. >> when it comes to how many devices you have to have around your house for sure.
but david, what are some of the challenges going through. all these deals sound amazing in the headlines but anything could take it down to an extent. >> regulators are in a bind. they want to compete with wire companies. they want more competition from comcast and very verizon. they're faced with not letting these companies get too big. a couple of major media and technology companies serving the vast majority of more thanes. there are already these pending deals. comcast is trying to acquire time warner cable. sprint has made no secret of its ambition to take over t-mobile. regulators may have to step back and say what does the new landscape look like together before letting one of these go ahead.
>> in every industry, the good news here versus take the pharmaceutical industry where you've got pfizer making a bid to astrazeneca, that's to move the money out of the country. >> as long as that's not hurt by this deal, i think it's something the fcc should look favorably on. >> thank you very much. all right. the u.s. transportation department is ordering gm to pay $35 million for waiting a decade to recall 2.6 million cars over defective ignition switches. that is the maximum penalty allowed. an internal investigation is focusing on how the legal team handled the safety issues. they released a report of words they were told to refuse using. we're shaking our heads. instead of the word problem, employees were to say condition, issue, or matter.
and they were urged to say does not perform to design instead of defect. do you smell coverup? >> other words they weren't allowed to use, "titanic," things like that. >> at least 13 deaths have been linked to the faulty ignition switches. it was the focus of a special documentary last night on cnbc called failure to recall. >> they asked us to investigate further to try to determine exactly what happened knowing we may never know the answer. >> cooper hired an engineer, mark hood, who started testing cobalt ignition switches he bought from junk yards. when he compared older switches to newer ones, he discovered something shocking. >> when he put the replacements through the test protoll kal. he found they were almost three times stronger as far as the difficulty to turn the key.
he said you're not going to believe what i found. i said what, he said they changed the switch. >> cooper and hood realized gm had changed a part quietly. >> the s.e.c. and justice department are resurgeoning. >> the company, this is a terrible thing to say, but it's true. the company we're going after, that company doesn't exist anymore because it dissolved. there's a new gm now. the liabilities don't follow the new company. it's a murky and dicey situation. >> it is a new gm today. >> legally. >> completely. and look. this is a serious problem, but this is a completely different organization. there's a woman running general motors now. theoretically peeking, you couldn't have a different type of management. >> she knows the culture of gm that got them to this point.
the big thing for anyone that has a gm, this is on you to figure out if this car is under this recall and figure it out. because these things have caused deaths. >> bankruptcy? the company, are you going to say it's a new gm now? >> no. don't misunderstand me. where the recourse is. i think this is terrible. and there needs to be a fix to this. these families need to be taken care of. the thing i've not heard that i'll likely hear from gm is this problem has been fiked and going forward you have nothing to worry about. >> i don't know how you trust that at this point if they're telling to mislead people. can you just declare bankruptcy. is there a problem with the bankruptcy laws and just legally be completely of everything but also morally. >> obviously not morally, clearly. >> i feel really sour for the first female president of a car
company. but this is unacceptable. >> also, just before as we were doing that figure on friday for the cnbc report, there was a new gm recall that came out. so they have this litany of problems. again, it is on the people who own the vehicle or people in the market looking for a vehicle to buy. go to their website and figure if the vehicle is under recall. >> "the new york times" has issued a more detailed statement explaining the reasons behind the firing of executive editor jill abramson. equal pay for women is an important issue in our country, one that "the new york times" often covers. but it doesn't help to advance the goal of pay equality to cite the case of a female executive whose compensation was not, in fact, unequal. i decided that jill could no longer remain as executive editor for reasons having nothing to do with pay or
gender. jill is an outstanding journalist and editor but i concluded her management of the newsroom was simply not working out. >> you know, i wasn't here friday. i know you had a lot of this last week. two points. number one, i've had people in the same exact job at different pay scales because maybe their seniority is different. that's number one. we have to be careful. it sounds like a lot of people in "the new york times" says she wasn't doing a great job. there's always a dangerous pay saying i was fired because i was a woman, because i was an african-american, because i was gay. and there's two sides to this sword. if you do a deep dive here, you are going to find out from her subordinates she was not well liked and she was very hard on the furniture. and, you know, it's very easy to rush to, oh, she was fired because of gender. >> i think there's a level of potential reality to what you're saying. it might or might not be true. but it's to be considered.
having said that, the numbers that we're learning in erm thes of who was paid what and what she had to do to get the pay she deserved, that's a story within itself. because it's -- and it might be hers to tell at some point. she's actually speaking at wake forest this week. >> i think today, right? >> is it today? >> i believe so. they said she was tough and abrasive. when guys are tough and abrasive, they get treated differently than women are. hopefully we'll get more, i think it makes "the new york times" look kbrt. but right now they don't look good. >> this is what we talked about at the know your value conference. equal pay, the descriptions used for us in terms of leaders, women. we talked about all of that. take a look. >> could you make a lot of noise? that's pretty good.
great ased advocates for our s s spouses, business partners, bosses, friends, kids. we are so fierce. but when we make the case for our own value, what happens? where do we go? what happens to our personalities? we start to self-deprecate, we depreciate, we apologize. and usually we get less. and it's time for that to stop. isn't it? i think it is. and we can all start by just stopping with saying the "s" word. how many of you today said it several times? i'm sorry i didn't mean to get in the way. i'm sorry, i know this is a bad time. how many have done that? somebody apologized to me walking in the room. i'm sorry. why? you're lying. so don't do it anymore. don't use that word.
>> it's so true. the women over the years who have asked me for a raise are always apologizing. whereas men are like, or i'm out of here. >> then there's the jill story. are we afraid of it? we'll see much more coming up in the show. coming up on "morning joe," third instance of the deadly mers virus has been detected in the u.s. but there's something unique about this case that has doctors extremely concerned. and south korea's president is taking action after the death of 300 people. we'll explain today in morning papers. michael jackson stuns people at the billboard music awards. huh? we'll show you in news you can't use. we'll be right back. ♪
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♪ officials are assessing the damage this morning in california following a series of raging wildfires. evacuation orders have been lifted and people are now returning to their neighborhoods. but sadly for dozens of people there was simply nothing left. at least 47 houses completely destroyed. three businesses and an apartment complex are also in ruins. >> we've had maybe five fires since we've built it and they've always used my house as a staging area because it's pretty safe. we had firefighters spend the night here. and this time we didn't see any of that. >> this house was a house that filled a lot of people with joy. my parents always hosted parties. a lot of people have had great memories here. so it's hard to see that change. >> there's nobody here. so we walked in here earlier this morning and it feels like armageddon.
>> the wildfires burned across 39 miles in san diego county. officials say the flames caused at least $20 million in damage. and california governor jerry brown is warning it could be one of the worst wildfire seasons ever because of drought conditions. let's go straight to bill kairns on this. bill, how dry are the conditions out there? how long will they continue? >> this is the dry season. it really starts as we go through the end of april and continues until the fall. we don't really start the wet season until november, maybe even december. that's why they're saying this could be an epic summer of one fire after another in the west. yesterday they got the break they needed. only 70 degrees. it was cooler in the region. that's the recipe we needed. today it will be 70 degrees also, but here's the problem. the drought situation for california, 100% of the state is in severe drought. 25% in extreme. don't expect hardly any rain over the next five months. so in other words the scenes we
just got through with, any time there's a heat wave with the winds, it'll happen again. also the middle of the country. north texas and oklahoma is in a pretty bad drought too. we have rain in wisconsin through minneapolis and the dakotas. what a fantastic weekend we just finished with. as we go through today, it's going to be gorgeous. the other story that was getting huge headlines over the weekend and these pictures make you open your eyes. the flooding situation, the catastrophe in places around serbia and croatia. they got nailed with three-months' worth of rains in three days. the rivers swelled up. they swallowed cities that were evacuated. a third of bosnia was under water. that's home to a million people. and the other thing, remember the civil war that took place not long ago. there were still huge open
fields that had active mines. and the flooding went over those areas. not only do we have flood water, but now we could have active mines that have been moved by these. they need a lot of help in that area. this is going to be a catastrophe that needs worldwide support. >> thank you. let's take a look now at the morning papers. from our parade of papers, "the los angeles times," the president of south korea is vowing to disband the coast guard over its response to the ferry disaster which left nearly 300 people dead. president park. the deadly mers virus. and for the first time it was transferred from one person to
another. nbc's dr. nancy snyderman talks about it. >> reporter: the man that tested positive became infected after coming into contact with a health care worker that was in contact with a worker that was in saudi arabia. >> it would be considered not close contact, but not a passer by. >> reporter: this research shows the closest contact was shaking hands, reported to have mild cold symptoms. but officials say he is no longer sick and was asked to isolate himself from contact. yet, u.s. health officials worry. >> we are concerned because it does lead to the hypothesis you can get it easier than we thought. that is of concern. >> reporter: and since 20% of patients are a-symptom mmatic, know it can take up to 14 days for anyone to show symptoms.
those infected get severe respiratory illness. 30% of those in the middle east who have gotten the virus have died. still cdc guidelines say it's not easily transmitted. >> we have to be careful of giving people the false sense of security. but at the same time, right now we we have to state if the problem is larger in the middle east. >> reporter: worldwide there has been 572 cases in 15 countries. 173 people have died. officials posted warnings in nearly a dozen airports the the u.s. warning people to be alert of sick passengers. health care workers on the front lines have been told to be extra careful when treating anyone suspected of carrying the virus. still ahead, "saturday night live" explains what really went down between jay z and beyonce's
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all right. let's get you caught up on sports. heat and pacers in game one of the eastern conference finals.
it was a balanced attack from indiana who hadn't won a playoff series opener yet this post season. paul george led with 24 points. david west added 19. and the pacers extinguish the heat in game one. tonight the thunder host the spurs in game one of the western conference finals. excitement really is building for the chance we're going to see our first triple crown winner since 1978. >> california chrome reaching for the wire! another 16th! on the outside right! california chrome has won the preakness! >> all right. it was a gorgeous day in baltimore at pimlico racetrack. and california chrome did it winning. but there could be a problem heading into the belmont stakes because the horse california chrome used nasal strips to help the breathing of this horse during the first two victories. he may not be allowed to wear them during the next race. if so the owners will help them out of the race.
>> we can no longer wear nasal strips on "morning joe." >> undetectable. >> but they're so helpful. >> that's why he says all the smart stuff. >> i think they'll let the horse run nasal strips included. finally, check this out from the rangers game over the weekend. how to flirt with women in the stands. a man gets tossed a foul ball. he turns and gives it to a lovely lady behind him. he pulled a switcheroo. he catches it with his left hand, but he had the other in the right hand. >> i want to party with that young gentleman right there. >> if i got two, i would have to give one to someone else. so when i caught the second one, i just turned around and looked up and she was the first person i saw. >> everybody wants to know. did you get her name? did you get her phone number?
did you get a hug? something? >> no. >> if you're out there, this kid wants a hug, right? you want to make your plea to her? >> no. >> nope. no interest. he's not interested in the young lady, but he sure knows how to get himself on tv. >> and that is a baller. >> you two are idiots. that would be donny and harold. >> he didn't execute at the end. he didn't get the hug. >> please stop. >> everybody, look at this. coming up next -- >> leading the ruling indian national congress party is gandhi. >> call it! it's a gandhi! grandson of prime minister gandhi. and not related to the only gandhi you were thinking of. >> why voting in a place like i. ya, afghanistan, and ukraine could be more important to this country than what happens in our
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all right. bobby ghosh is here. you threw out a fact at me that stunned me and made me sad in some ways. more people will vote -- >> in the spring of 2014 more human beings will have voted than any period in human history. >> that's exciting actually. >> it is. if democracy is measured by elections, this is the year of democracy. >> if only we could get more people to vote in this country to turn out for our elections. it would be nice. but we're going to talk about other countries and why they matter right here at home. go in order. we have so many different elections going on. india is complete at this point. >> india is complete. they have a brand new releader. until a few weeks ago, this country would not give a visa to visit. so now you have one of the largest economies in the world and an economy that many american companies want to have a piece of and you have a leader who comes into power. it's a diplomatic exercise and
now president obama -- >> did you just say president clinton? >> he did. he fell back in time. harold? >> if you were advising this administration, the fact that voting and outcomes, how would you advise them to change anything. and what would you urge them to sustain in terms of policy? >> these are -- india has a long democratic history. there's not a whole lot the united states should do in india. but in other countries like ukraine, the outcomes are much more perilous for the united states because you have the potential of people coming to power who can do quite a lot of damage to american foreign policy. i think this best policy is one that speaks to the people. >> speaking of ukraine, why don't we move on there? >>. >> we'll learn in a couple weeks if the revolution in the square led to any kind of stable government in ukraine.
we know the east is in turmoil because of putin. but now the western part of ukraine gets to decide who will run it next. >> so we -- i saw some pieces over the weekend eviscerating president obama's foreign policy. yet is anything working as it pertains to russia and ukraine? >> not at all. >> nothing? is he not pulling back troops? nothing? >> nothing significant. putin has the world and europe exactly where he wants it. under his thumb. and he has ukraine in his pocket. there's not a whole lot that the u.s. or president obama could do, because you're facing a person who doesn't care about the immediate consequences. >> we're looking at parliamentary elections to be announced may 25th in iraq. >> the results will be announced. iraq has been incredibly violent. we've been looking at other parts of the world. we're missing the fact the person we left behind in charge
of that country has done an extremely poor job and has brought more people -- sort of revived civil war between the shiites and sunnis. it would be enormous bloodshed if it wasn't for the fact that next door in syria there's even more bloodshed. >> let's move to egypt where there will be a presidential election. >> big demonstrationings in new york yesterday. pro and anti-sisi. the general who led the coup is going to win the election, the question is the expectations from him are so great for egyptians, we're not sure how he's going to meet it. he's inheriting a country that's bankrupt. the people who came to the streets and brought down two governments, they're now supporting him. but in six months the mood can turn. >> one more, afghanistan.
>> afghanistan, well, what we do know from the -- there's going to be a runoff next month, but the candidate who was eliminated from the presidential election is the candidate closest to hamid cakarsai. two very smart people left. former foreign minister, finance minister. both of them are pro-west. the real question there is which one of them will be able to talk. >> on a much lighter note, we've got to bring it back. i'm not kidding. >> let's do it. >> there are probably places in jersey where you can get it. >> of course. i got a guy in jersey. >> bobby ghosh, thank you so much for the whiparound the world of elections. up next, can republicans hold jo onto a key seat in georgia? >> i've been endorsed by the u.s. chamber. what the republican primary voters are looking for, i have a
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>> all right. so that's michael jackson performing his song "slave to the rhythm" off his new album "xscape." the track was recorded back in 1991 during the sessions for his "dangerous" album. billboard said the performance was a result of nearly half a year of planning, choreography as well as new technology. the album was released last week. >> am i the crusty old guy that goes maybe it's better for a live performance to be live? i don't want to rain on a big thing. >> technically i guess it's -- >> i don't know. i don't mind the music. >> my mother is such a michael jackson fan. coming up, a shocking upset in the deep south? ahead a look at the primary day. and could it be studies have
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the battle states. races from oregon to pennsylvania to the deep south. despite big money from the senate conservatives fund, tea party candidate matt bevin trails mitch mcconnell. the senate majority leader is shown an cruise control up 20 points. but the same poll shows mcconnell trailing likely democratic challenger alison lundergan grimes. saxby chambliss is retiring opening up a power vacuum in the state. the latest marist poll shows democrat michelle nunn leading or neck and neck with each republican candidate. political reporter kasie hunt traveled to georgia in our latest states of play. ♪ >> reporter: the pecan trees on the nunn family farm are rooted
in history. >> we're going experimentation with cucumbers and zucchini. >> reporter: it was here that michelle nunn's father sam launched a storied senate career. >> i have a father that taught me you can make an enormous difference when you enter the public arena with a real statesmanlike perspective. >> reporter: republicans need six seats to win back the senate. and none could be the key to preventing that. but sometimes it's hard to tell she's a democrat. in this tv ad, she doesn't even mention it. would you have voted for the affordable care act? >> so, at the time that the affordable care act was passed, i was working for points of life. i wish we'd had more people who would help architect a bipartisan option. >> so yes or no? >> it's hard to look back and say. >> reporter: polls show she'd be come pet ty against any of her
five challengers. leading is businessman david perdue, the first cousin of former georgia governor sonny perd perdue. not far behind is jack kingston who has backing from the u.s. chamber of commerce. and gaining momentum is karen handel. she's been endorsed by the tea party express and sarah palin. and with arch conservative congressman paul broun and phil gingrey also in, it's a free for all. >> "ed shoit's hard to believe . opponents have been in office for 60 years. >> voted for debt ceiling increases, bridge to nowhere. >> she's run five times for five offices. >> david perdue is actually part of the establishment as much as anybody. >> reporter: contrary to
conventional wisdom, it's not necessarily establishment versus tea party do you consider yourself a part of the tea party? >> tell me what that is. >> somebody who -- i support so much of the tea party values. >> i get a little frustrated with all of the labels out there. i guess i suppose i would be tea party. >> reporter: it will likely head to a runoff which means eight more weeks of in-fighting. that's all good news for michelle nunn. >> when i look at the republican party, i see a race to extremes and more of what is happening already in washington. the dysfunction and the polarization. >> caskay kasie, great job. i love how nunn said it's impossible to look back. actually, you can. but okay. chuck todd, how big of an upset would it be if georgia went democrat in this race let alone kentucky? >> i think if you look at just
the demographics, the upset would be kentucky. not georgia shifting. georgia is moving. georgia's going to be a swing state in 2020. but the question is does it -- do democrats have a chance a little bit quicker simply because maybe the republican primary, the eventual nominee gets farther to the right. and michelle nunn, there's a reason she lays down the points of light thing. whoa, i worked with george h.w. bush. we're about two cycles away from georgia being a swing state. >> caskasie hunt, you have an element for us. >> she did work closely with george h.w. bush and used his image in an ad but he's not supporting her. >> reporter: did you have his blessing to use his photo in
your ad? >> i worked for george hw bush in the points of light organization for years. the ad was focused on my history in service and the story of who i am. i think president george h.w. bush will continue to be republican and a leader of that party, but i think that we have a mutual admiration and one that i think will far outlast this political race. >> a spokesman for the former president, quote, we did not give approval for that and in fact the president was disappointed to see that his image had been included in a political ad as it was. as much as he personally likes and appreciates the job she did, he's stronger in his belief that republicans need to retake the senate. he looks forward to welcoming michelle back to points of light after her defeat. >> i have no problem with what
she did. this is part of her resume. >> i get it. i get what she's doing, donny. >> but ethically, i don't think there's anything wrong with it. this is who she is. >> no. but, jim vandehei, chuck todd was talking about how georgia's shifting to a swing. having said that, not so quickly, because as kasie pointed out, she doesn't necessarily sound like a democrat. and sounds like she's equivocating her way to the end. >> that's how you have to run in georgia. you asked a question would it be an upset. i think it would be an upset for a republican to lose in georgia. the fact she was talking about she didn't have a position on health care was the big e topic in american politics over the last five or six years and everybody paid attention to it. so i assume she did have a position at that time. but obviously can't state it because she has to run as a centralist. and i think she knows that once this primary is over and republicans rally around whoever
wins it on the republican side, those numbers are likely to shift and she'll go into this election in somewhat of a deficit. she knows a lot of outside money is coming the republican way. >> harold ford, good morning. having run a race in the south seven or eight years, and i'm confident she will have better success than i did. people says she doesn't sound like a democrat. she sounds like a democrat where she comes from. people want better schools, affordable health care. my question to you, her and alison lundergan grimes, don't they have to run the races they're running as democrats to have any chance of success in these states? >> i separate these two races a little bit because, look. the kentucky race is -- the question's going to be how much of a referendum is it on washington and mitch mcconnell.
obviously alison grimes wants to make it all of a referendum on mcconnell and washington. if she does that, hast that's her path to victory. she actually has more opportunity to win republican voters simply because of this potentially anger at mcconnell that she could tap into. in georgia, you're right. that's been the path to how conservative democrats and house races are there. think john barro who has survived for a long time. this is the tight rope he's walked on these issues. but i thought it was such a -- nothing screamed practiced politician like that answer michelle nunn gave on health care. you just can't -- it just doesn't come across as credible. what's at least more credible, saying, well, i supported it but i don't like this, this, and this. at least there's credibility when you give that answer. when you say well, i was busy doing another job swob ydoing -
>> you can't look back. come on. >> she has to give a better answer. if republicans could get david perdue, that's probably the best. he's very much the atlanta businessman candidate. boy, that's where w-- that's in the mold of saxby chambliss. these center right mainstream republicans. there's one prominent republican that has endorsed her. >> i love these interview. you honestly ask the question. then they hang themselves sometimes with their equivocating. because that answer kind of -- listen. i'd love for her to do well, don't get me wrong. but come on. >> i disagree. i think it's very -- if i were in the senate when the obamacare, affordable care came about, probably not inclined to vote for but maybe i could implement change to that. >> why couldn't you say that? >> i don't have a problem with
her saying don't saddle me with that. i'm looking forward. the real question perhaps kasie asked is how does she fix that. >> she has a pretty good answer for that. she says that among other things you need to put in a more affordable tier of health care. she has an answer on how to fix it. >> do not hide from health care. tie it to income inequality, say it was not done as well as it could be done, but i am for giving millions of more people health care as i am for income equality and go straight all in. >> this is what you're good at. also with us from washington, josh crosshaur. you guys have been calling all these races. but let's go to oregon. how does oregon fit into this picture? >> this is a race where the general election will be more
significant than the primary. republicans have worked to support a moderate republican physician by the name of monica webby. if this map gets big and there's been some polls that there's a possibility that happens, they recruit a credibility candidate in a female physician who's been spending money on very compelling adds. also running for re-election. if there's a big wave, oregon is going to be the place to watch. if monica webby is the republicans' favorite candidate there wins the nomination, it could be one to look keep close attention to for the november elections. >> we have the portland, oregon, news this morning about the city pulling basically no longer investing in walmart which i think plays into some of the politics here and whether or not
health care, a fair shot, income disparity will be the big issues of the midterm elections. then ultimately the presidential elections. and actually fair well for democrats. >> right. on the oregon front, you have a state exchange that didn't work. and that's what makes sort of, i think, what's going on in oregon why republicans are potentially enthusiastic on this. but by the way, that republican primary has gotten nasty. a lot of dr. webby's personal life has become fodder in the last few days. it's really been this ugly thing. this establishment recruit has struggled on the fund raising front. a tea party more conservative challenger has opened up. there's been nasty politics. there's a story out in mississippi from over the weekend that's just disgusting and ugly. what we've seen going on in oregon i think has been a little bit disgusting about dredging up people's personal lives in ways you're just wondering is there
at least some honor code in politics anymore. >> not anymore. >> i think people are also really at this point immune to it all. we've been around the block since bill clinton and the internet has made people a little bit sort of desensitized. >> chuck, you mentioned mississippi where a blogger posted a picture of one of the candidate's wife who's in a nursing home. >> as fed up as americans might be, this is a little bit beyond the pail. this blogger as you say is accused of going into this nursing home where thad cochran's wife is. >> what's the motive? >> the question is, do they -- chris mcdaniel is a tea party candidate who's been waging this campaign whose manager was on the phone before the story broke. the details aren't clear. >> what's the point of doing that? >> the point -- look. there's an obsession by some -- and i think this is what happens when you get fringe candidates on the left and right. they think there's this ends
justify the means aspect and you get crazed supporters. but there's this obsession because senator cochran's wife has been basically a convalescent for over a decade. she's had dementia and been in a home. there's some people in mississippi who don't like thad cochran think this should be plastered all over the state and somehow held against -- a moral judgment should be made against cochran should be by her side. that is sort of getting into people's personal life in ways, that you're like, put yourself in that same situation and ask yourself do you want the public to be part of that process. >> now i see this obscene motive. call me crazy, if somebody has a sick partner, that might create empathy for them. >> jim vandehei, josh kraushaar, kasie hunt, thank you. you're headed where next? >> kentucky. >> it's going to be big.
we look forward to hearing from you. chuck todd, we will be watching "the daily rundown" at 9:00 eastern sharp. ahead, how we made one woman cry at our know your value event in a good way. and there are appropriate times to cry which we talked about. coming up this hour, how deep does the va scandal go? we've got disturbing new details on that. but first, bill kairns with a check on the forecast. >> how great was the weather this weekend? >> beautiful. i want more. >> i know. don't we all. last night i bet a lot of people were surprised. ohio valley, great lakes, new england. i bet your heat may have kicked on in the middle of the night. it was a chilly night with clear skies. pittsburgh's at 40 degrees. that's definitely coat weather. 43 in albany. this time of year when you get the strong sun, it's going to be a beautiful afternoon. not concerned at all. we're going up to 70 today for d.c. and hartford. just as beautiful as it was over the weekend. looks to last probably until
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the president is madder than hell and i've got the scars to prove it given the briefings i've given the president we have seen obviously the reports out of places like phoenix and ft. collins and nart carolina and we're going to get to the bottom of those things and ensure they don't happen again. >> that is president obama's chief of staff dennis mcdonough speaking over the weekend. a new report suggests the veterans affair scandal may be more widespread than first thought. according to the dayton daily news, the va settled 167 claims since 2001 that were apparently linked to delays in treatment. that financial payouts total more than $36 million. it coincides with a federal investigation into allegations the phoenix medical center kept a secret waiting list to cover up long delays for veterans looking for care. a doctor claims the falsified records led to dozens of
presentable deaths. joining us about this, bob carey and ryan galucci. thank you for being with us. ryan, if i can start with you. i think the va has always been plagued with problems. is that fair to say? because i wonder if it's truly m misdeeds happening here or an overflow of people who really need care given what this country has been through over the past decade. >> well, there are a couple of major issues at play here. and we think that a lot of this does have to do with the influx of veterans coming into the va health care system and looking for care that they're entitled to. what we've seen around the country is the vfw started polling through our hotline and found in places with high concentration of veterans,
veterans are having trouble getting into the system. >> all right. bob carey, let's just deal with shinseki himself. he runs the place. has he just adopted old problems that ballooned out of control given the fact we've had so many endless wars going on? >> there's no question the pace of the conflict. i was a patient of the va system for eight or nine years after i was out of the vietnam war. i understand the importance of that medical system. and i think shinseki has lost the confidence. he's done a terrific job in many areas, but it is time for the president to replace him. when you lose the confidence of the people coming into that system and i would personally hope the president can identify some iraq or afghan veteran,
you've got to restore confidence. because that confidence is gone. >> so you think shinseki should go. >> i think the president should find somebody else to run the va, yes, i do. and it's -- actually, it's in some ways disconnected. because i don't have the facts. nobody knows exactly what happened in arizona. but this isn't the first incident. in february of 2007, the press broke a story about the warehousing of iraq vets across from walter reed because the computers couldn't talk to each other. seven years later they still don't. you still can't track the discharge of a soldier who leaves the system and goes into the va. >> you were a war hero. you mentioned eight, nine years. what's your experience? if you're going to grade it throughout your time. you have the perspective. >> i would grade it well. saved my life. gave me a chance to put my life back together. it was a great benefit to me. >> the two or three most important things, number one,
restore confidence with a new leader. if you were the leader of the agency, what would you do to fix the problem? >> the reason i would look for somebody who was an iraq or afghan war veteran, you've got to come with the right sense of urgency. these guys have got multiple tours. they've got traumatic brain injury, post-traumatic stress disorder, a higher set of problems associated with the multiple tours. you've got to have the right sense of urgency. you can't come to this thinking i've got all the answers. i think that's part of the problem that shinseki has had. he's created that image with people here. >> ryan, how do you think the secretary should be handling the cases that are right now on deck with these allegations of people dying waiting for care? >> obviously the buck stops with secretary shinseki. we think the problem is accountability across the board.
the organization has some problems. one problem is how long it takes to sanction an employee. but then if there's a vacuum in care, if a doctor quits or somebody leaves, it can take them six months to a year to replace them. what we're calling for is a accountability from top to bottom and an independent view. >> one of the reasons i say somebody with an iraq or african war vet, you also need to have the stature and credibility to say to the american people here's where we're not going to say yes. we have 300 men over the age of 90 that applied to 100% disability because their ptsd keeps them from working. so you need somebody that can say the answer is no. >> thank you so much. ryan galluccii, thank you as well.
very much. coming up, the epitome of why we need to take better care of this country's veterans. newly honored medal of honor recipient kyle white is here. but first, is confidence the secret ingredient to economic global prosperity? not to paul krugman. that's next. ♪
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she won. that girl came in second. and we were having a hard time deciding who the winner was. and this jennifer hotchkiss, she has a great voice and put it out there. i want to be like you. i want to have people doing things for me and i want to run things. i thought to myself like at the last second it was so close, i was like i know good things are coming for her. i just know it. and literally a minute later, this woman officer, she's going to be the first person from her family to graduate from college. >> can we see more pictures of joe handing out things? he's available for anything. events and parties. if you have a raffle, it's a free dinner, $20 travel expenses. >> joe looked natural doing it. >> it was meant to be. >> donny, joe showed up. >> i know. i'm locked and loaded for next year. guaranteed. i'm going to come with -- >> we're doing a national tour next year. >> you tell me three cities and
i will be there. >> i'm on. as long as i get a lesson on how to pass things out. >> let's do it. >> it was so much fun to see these women rise up and speak for themselves. okay. i want to do a must read right here, because this is paul krugman and i think what he has to say may have an influence over the midterms and maybe even the next election. in both europe and america, economic policy has been governored by the slogan save the bankers wsh save the world. and government actions have indeed restored financial confidence. unfortunately we're still awaiting for that promised prosperity. in the end, the story of economic policy since 2008 has been that of a remarkable double standard. bad loans always involve mistakes on both sides. if borrowers were irresponsible,
so were those who loaned. and refusing to help families in debt, it turns out, wasn't just unfair, it was bad economics. wall street is back, but america isn't. and the double standard is the main reason. i think this president tried. i think the people running for office in the future need to do better. >> the scary thing, there was a kid sentenced on friday insider trading going away for three years. there's not been one prosecution of any banker that pretty much almost brought down the system. not one. no perp walk. nothing. literally, we almost -- the average person does not understand it was almost over. it was armageddon and there has not been one person prosecuted as a result. >> harold, do you think there's a way that democrats can take and run with this even though it has been -- look, this president can be held as well responsible for holding the banks harmless and not helping out the middle
class as much as he could have. having said that, he's been fighting to do so and republicans have held him back repeatedly. >> there's a new book out that makes the case that paul krugman makes. there's a new book that says we should have saved homeowners as opposed to the bankers. probably would have had pearl on -- >> elizabeth warren tried really hard and built the financial protection bureau. right there for the consumer. >> saying whether or not the money should have gone straight to homeowners or where it went. i think there's probably a decent argument made that way. creating higher paying jobs has to be the focus. saving aig, you've had to do that. >> to let them go under was not the issue. tafs big mistake to let lehman go under. >> the people getting prosecuted, that's for insider trading. again, i'm not here to defend that at all. my only point is you've got to
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♪ 42 past the hour. here with us now "new york times" magazine contributor and the author of "how children succeed," paul tuck. paul, welcome to the show. your piece in the latest issue of "new york times" magazine asked the question who gets to graduate. and in it you tell the story of vanessa brewer who stumbled through her first year at university of texas. writing, there are thousands of students like vanessa and millions like her around the country. high-achieving students from low-income families who want desperately to earn a four-year degree but who run into trouble along the way. many are derailed before they set foot on a campus tripped up by complicated financial aid
forms or held back by family obligations. some don't know how to choose the right college, so they drift into a mediocre school that produces more dropouts than graduates. many are overwhelmed by expenses and some do what vanessa was on the verge of doing. they get to a good college and encounter a minor obstacle and they freak out. they don't want to ask for help or they don't know how. things spiral and before they know it, they're back at home resentful, demoralized, and in debt. paul, where do we begin with that? also joining the table contributor to msnbc victoria defrancesco soto. welcome back. >> it's an incredible story. because it's almost impossible for a poor kid to go to college, make ends meet, pay for it, and keep it together. >> it's difficult. income is part of it and
finances are part of pipt it goes beyond that as well. it has to do with the sense of connection and belonging that students feel there. and it's also not just a problem for poor kids. it's a problem for middle class kids as well. when you look at the national statistics for who graduates, anyone in the bottom half of the income distribution, only a 25% chance they're going to make it to a degree. it is a situation now in a lot of college campuses where the rich kids are doing well and everyone is struggling. >> the rich kids have the support they need, they don't have a pay for it. they go in there stress free. and they get to actually go to college. what are middle class and lower class kids shouldering beyond the massive dead which is totally completely unfair and the percentage that they're paying on the loans that they're getting are criminal. >> it's huge. and i think what we need to do is find a way to help those kids. we don't want college to continue to be a place that is
just for rich kids. i think that means that institutions need to do a better job of helping those kids making sure they persist. and our bigger institutions and nation as a whole need to take on the issue. >> what do you do other than loan reform? because it isn't fair, obviously. from a kid coming from a stable home whenever they leave for whatever reason is in better position. other than making the loans more affordable, it's an unfair society. i don't know what you do to change it. this is just one slice of an entire life of unfairness. what do you do? how do you solve this? >> i think what the university of texas is showing is if you take, you know, not huge supports but serious supports for kids who right now have a low likelihood of graduating, give them mentors, advisers, a sense of community, give them the right kind of messages instead of messages that exclude them, they perform much better. i think what ut is showing that, you know, some minor supports can make a huge difference. >> so i am a professor at the
university of texas and i'm very proud to be a longhorn and its programs like this that make me even prouder to be one. and i think in your piece when you talk about the need for that community support and that leadership support, you're really hitting the nail on the head. and i wanted you to drill down a little bit about that specifically. what type of community support, just from my experience you have the kids that are first generation college students from the rio grande valley. it's not just that academic support or financial support but the cultural support. you're in a new place. austin is new to you. college ask a new experience. i think when you have that base, that's when you can succeed. and how do we replicate that model? >> i think we underestimate what a big deal that cultural side is. if you're from a family where everybody has gone to college, everybody's gone to college, you are familiar with the ideas. >> even that's stressful. even getting to college for kid
that had every wind push him along is hard. >> you've also been taught to ask for help and you will receive it. vicki, i'm interested just in terms of when you view your students and see these kids that come from different backgrounds, do you say i can't do my night job and i'm never going to make it to class. this feels impossible. i feel like the only one who's in my situation. because that's got to be one of the most isolating feelings a student can feel. >> earlier in the semester, i had a student come to me after-hours in her fast food outfit. she had a break of 20 minutes and ran over to get her paper and help. then had to run back. these students are spread so thin. financially. and then you add onto that that emotional component. a lot of these kids' parents many times don't even speak
gli english. they're helping their parents. not only not getting help from their parents, but they're having to be a support system for their own family members. so there's a deep level of need there that goes beyond just kind of the textbook and financial aspect. >> it's a fascinating story. you think it's college, good. >> done. >> i think what's important at the university of texas is it shows despite all of those obstacles these students are succeed. especially at a place like ut. >> what would be the point of going if you're going to leave strapped with such debt that the rest of your life is plagued by trying to pay for something that you could barely get through because you were working in a fast food place while trying to go to class. yeah. >> i've got to say. those numbers are scary, but when you look at the numbers of that why do you go. if you get that four-year college degree, your whole
future changes. >> it changes. but i'm going to take a leap here and think when you're in the middle of that, chances are if you could choose to perhaps, you know, get out of that type of pressure, you might cave. you might cave. we've got to stop that. paul, thank you so much. what an important article. vicki, thank you as well. i'm very excited for you. another one. >> thank you. >> yes, she is. there's still plenty of football to talk about. i won't know what he's saying. but he'll say it to you. >> football or soccer? >> football. >> it's not football. >> it is football. >> i get confused. >> roger bennett stopping by. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. ♪ here at fidelity, we give you the most free research reports, customizable charts, powerful screening tools, and guaranteed 1-second trades. and at the center of it all
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all right, i guess i have to do this. >> you have a heavy touch. >> look at him. he's almost naked. and what is this? >> a zip lining. and then sand surfing. >> of course. >> okay, aaron. i get it. you can go without a shirt on. >> can we show something else? >> my new baby. the puppy! that is cute. >> aw! >> roger bennett is the director of espn's world cup series, inside the march to brazil. would you do that? >> it looks too much like "legends of the falls." i'd put a chest wig on -- >> oh, oh, the mental image. >> i know deep inside you love the sport.
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democrats' control of senate is heading into the heat of the election season. according to politico, likely voters around the country would prefer a republican over a democrat by almost 90 points. despite calls from many congress al democrats to move on, 60% of the voters say the health care debate should not be over. but a number that perhaps could help democrats, 58% say a candidate's stance on the income disparity between men and women will impact their decision in november. i really do think it's going to make a difference. we have a walmart story coming up, which is connected to that. these numbers come as some of the toughest primary races will be resolved tomorrow. high profile gubernatorial senate races are playing out across the map. tea party candidate matt bev in
trails mitch mcconnell but the same poll shows mcconnell trailing alison lundergan grimes. perdue said it would take slashing, spending and increasing revenue to bring down the debt. it's a comment his opponents have jumped on. >> he's never voted in a regular republican primary, he's flip flopped on issues key to republican voters, common core, bailouts, repealing dodd-frank, and now we found out just earlier this week that he seems to be a little bit soft when it comes to not raising taxes. >> i use the word revenue and revenue is a code word for tax increase evidently in politics. the point i've been making for over a year is we have to get the economy growing that will
increase the tax base and that will help solve the financial crisis. >> and then there's mississippi where chris mcdaniel is trying to unseat republican thad cochran. a local political blogger has been charged with felony for taking a picture and posting a photo online of cochran's wife, who is in a nursing home. the blogger is reportedly a mcdaniel supporter. what's the point of this? >> politics have become more and more of this nonsense. >> jim, what do you make of this? >> the political poll was just in competitive house and senate areas so it's not a national poll. it's where the election are going to be decided.
republicans have a decisive advantage. the fact that 90% of the people have a very passionate feeling about health care shows that is the singular issue of the campaign and it really does tilt the republicans' way, which is the reason they have that lead. you have that broader environment. and then inside of that, the big story of the campaign has been that the establishment has been able to get better candidates, to get more money in to support those candidates and beat back the most unelect abable candida. in georgia less than 20% of voters are going to vote in that primary. there's almost more candidates than there are people that will vote. we don't really know what the outcome will be. it does look like an established-backed candidate will win. >> johni deutsche. >> is there a head fake going on? as we get close to the general election and as anecdotally
better and better news comes out for health care, is there a possible misstep waiting in the wings for republicans here? >> it's always a possibility. i will say there's been some durability in the health care numbers across almost every poll i've seen over the last few years where most people that are planning on voting do oppose the law, which does work in the republicans' favor, but you don't know if you have four or five months of good news, that certainly could change the climate. i think the other thing to keep an eye on is everyone thinks the conventional wisdom is republicans will win back the senate. i would like at that dead heat on whether mcconnell can win the election. this is still very much up for grabs and i think health care is going to be the issue, which is why almost every outside group is pouring its money into that issue. >> i think they could capitalize
on income inequality. >> let's go to mitch mcconnell. >> i think alison lundergran is a much better candidate. i've watched matt bevin, the republican opponent for mcconnell yesterday on one of the sunday shows. although he said he would not support grimes, he zant he would support mitch mcconnell. any kind of dissension, division amongst republicans could open the door. i give her credit for hanging tough. >> there's a message that has framed everything over the last few years, whether the president has been completely successful against the republican opposition or not and that is a fair shot and that is the issue
of equal pay within that. the income disparity issue we are seeing. you have people like elizabeth warren who are heros on the left and you have companies stepping up now saying if people aren't going to step up in washington, we're going to step up. >> the health care law also worked better in kentucky. that could be withone of the ke factors. the governor there did a better job of implementing than perhaps others. >> because he opened up their own health care exchange, didn't rely on the federal government and they were able to get people to be really a special -- a statewide program that other states could try to emulate them. >> she's not running on that. >> now look at what cities are doing. portland, oregon is pulling its money out of within of the woon
biggest corporations. the city will no longer invest in walmart. they have adopted socially responsible companies, which take into court health, and corrupt corporate governance and wages are mentioned as well. the company will have withdrawn from 3% of the company's portfolio. >> corporations behaving the right way is going to be the price for doing business. this is price of entries for companies doing business in the country today. i'm going to also go back to the health care thing and also the republican party of no. it's all about populism today. as our nation, as these young people come up, they want income equality across demographics, they want it across sex, they want companies to behave a
certain way and they want health care for the masses and i still believe that although on people this health care argument seems to be very, very juicy for republicans ambassador we get to november, it's going to back fire. >> i totally agree with you. and again, the argument against that is you don't want everyone to have health care? really? >> it's minimum wage. it's all the same blush. it's all about the populist nation. >> we hear story after story of walmart employees, mcdonald's employees, anyone who is paid the minimum wage getting food stamps. it's impossible to accept that in this country and be against a minimum wage hike. are you serious? >> the one issue with minimum wage and so many fast food worker strikes and that's ignited a fire worldwide about what that means equality pay wise -- >> less than women, by the way. >> we get the video and we see
the protest and we can relate on what they're trying to say but it's hash tag protests. >> 25% of the voting population. >> it's social media that's driving the force. >> minimum wage should be increased. there are two things that concern me about what democrats and the congress and the white house have not been able to accomplish. it makes no as soon as why they have not tagged private equity and hedge fund managers who are benefiting from the interest. they taxed people earning over a quarter of a million dollars to the higher rate and they could create extra resources to defray what restaurantures who say if i raise my minimum wage, it hurt my bottom line. it's equally shameful. >> headlines in "usa today," the front page dominated with at&t's
purchase of directv for $45 billion. it represents a huge challenge to cable and stands to reshape content on everything from tv to tablets. it still needs to go through the fec but if improved, the entertainment giant would serve 26 million people. let's bring in david ellis who broke the story. what would this man for consumers? >> if it does come to pass, it would probably not show up on your bill until next year. it could mean the second largest wireless provider in the country would also then become the second largest paid tv provider. that represents a radical reshaping in the entire
telecommunications industry that we've been seeing over the last couple of years and that is still not done. >> i'm trying to think of a bigger deal. >> the comcast/time warner deal was in the similar vein. it's constant versus eyeballs. at the end daft, we want to watch our "morning joe." in the past whether it was a cable, a mobile device, at the end of the day he who has or she who has content equals eyeballs and winner. >> david, what are some of the challenges of this actually going through? all these big deals sound amazing in the headlines but anything could take it done to an extent. >> regulators are in a bind. on the one hand they wand wireless companies to compete with wireless companies. they want more competition from comcast and more competition for verizon. on the other hand, they're faced
with not let thegs companies get too big. at a certain point we're going to see just a couple of major media and technologies companies that are serving the vast majority of americans. tease something regulators are going to need to weigh. the other this evening is there are already these pending deals. comcast is trying to acquire time warner cable and do divestitures with charter. sprint has in a maid no secret of their interest to take over t-mobile. so they'll have to step back to say what does this mean before letting any one of these go forward. >> the good news here is the pharmaceutical industry, you have pfizer making a bid against astrazeneca so they can move money out of the country. >> i think the fec should look favorable, as long as there's nobody hurt in the deal.
>> the u.s. transportation department is ordering gm to pay $35 million for waiting a decade to recall 2.6 million cars with defective ig nation switches. that is the maximum penalty allowed. an internal gm investigation is focusing on how its legal team handled the safety issues. officials released a list of 68 word that gm employees back in 2008 were told to avoid using. instead of the word problem, employees were told to say condition, issue or matter. and they were earned to say does not perform to design instead of defect. >> other words they weren't allowed to use, titanic, widow maker -- >> at least 13 deaths have been linked to the fault y ignition
switches. this is from "failure to recall." >> cooper hired an engineer, mark hood, who started testing cobalt ignition switches he bought from junk yards. when he compared older switches to newer ones, he discovered something shocking. >> when he put these replacement switches through this test protocol, he found they were almost three times stronger as far as the difficulty to turn the key. he said, "lance, you're not going to believe what i found." and i said what? he said, "they changed the switch." >> cooper realized gm had changed a part, quietly. >> he brings up a great point. >> this is a terrible thing to say but it's true that the company that we're going after
who made all these -- that company doesn't,ist anymore because it dissolved in bankruptcy. you have a new gm now. so the question that comes with all those liabilities, the liabilities don't follow the new company. >> it is a new gm today. >> legally. >> and, look, this is a serious problem burke this is a completely different organization. and there is a woman running general motors now. so metaphorically speaking you couldn't have more of a different type of management. >> she's spent 30 years at gm. so she knows of gm. if you're looking to buy a used gm car, the onus is on you to figure out if it's a recall. these families are left hanging in the debt. up. >> next, what does it mean to be a hero? carl white is here. and what do literary giants
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his side. >> it is our honor this morning to have sergeant kyle white with us now. also msnbc military analyst and our friend, jack jacobs. that was november 9th in afghanistan. when you heard the president describing those moments, what came to mind? >> just reliving pretty much every single moment of that day. and as he was, you know, progressing throughout the -- you know, his narration, it was hard are and harder to hear. >> because? >> just, you know, the loss that day, what we all went through, that shared team effort. you know, everybody experienced something that day. >> i think, jack, i want to bring you in as soon as possible
now because of the connection obviously the two of you have, which i can never completely understand, but i can see that there's so much -- is it guilt connected with getting an award like this or what's the word or the -- >> well, guilt's not the right word i don't think but i don't know what the right word is. if you ask anybody who spent time in combat -- >> they'll say they don't deserve it. >> they'll a there were other people who were brave that day, nobody does anything by himself. there's a medal of honor recipient named nicky bacon, received his award in vietnam, he said i don't wear it for myself, i wear it for anybody who can't. it not just the medal it was but the forged bond that occurs as a result of being there on into
the crucible of war changes anybody in it and the perception is you are one of a number of people and that the bond can't be broken in life or in death. it something that you carry with you the rest of your life. >> another thing that bonds you is tens of thousands of fellow soldiers, his ptsd. explain where you are in that process and what you're doing to help yourself and others. >> so, you know, it was about a year after 2007 that i realized something's wrong, i need to go get help. and i took that initial step of reaching out to my chain of command and being like, hey, i need to see some people. the army did a great job, got me the help i needed. and combined with the treatment that they had for me, you know, i kind of -- they encouraged me to found my own coping mechanisms as well. since that day exercise has
worked great for me. now i feel like the healing process is well on its way and, you know, i couldn't be more pleased with where i am today. >> kyle, you're only 27 years old right now so back in 2007 you were 20 yooears old? >> yes. >> so to be able to comprehend exactly what it meant to be suffering from something, maybe you weren't able to put your finger on it as ptsd, what do you think about that acronym and some of the sigmas that come with it for our vets? >> one of the issues for me was not sleeping well. this isn't right, sleeping a couple hours a night. we need to get past that. that individual service member can get g out and get help and everything will be okay. i'm hoping by me sit hearing
today there's a service member in uniform that's contemplating whether to step forward. i did -- >> wearing that medal you can say that and that is something that every man and woman who is suffering needs to understand. we're talking about 22 suicides a day, if you look at the data. this is as real as any physical trauma that any soldier has been through. i see a steel bracelet on your wrist and i'm told it symbolic. can you tell us about inthat? >> in building off what mr. jacobs said earlier, we do wear it in their names. this bracelet has all the names of those lost that day. they're the heros -- >> i used the word "guilt," it was probably inappropriate, jack. >> it very difficult to found the right word. >> what is it? >> i don't know what it is.
it shared sacrifice. in benjamin franklin's word, we will hang to the or we'll sure live hang separately. >> there's something i get, almost this reaction you get or physically in the face, i can't even talk to you about this. not that i don't want to, but it's a disconnect because you have been through something so advi visceral, so real, so unbelievably giving to our country that there are so many of us that can't even measure up halfway. it not a high and mighty i can't talk to you about this, it's i can't relate. you haven't been there, you haven't been in the foxhole. >> well, that's true. but one of the things that brings it all together for us, for anybody who served in combat is not the difference between people who have served and most who haven't. most americans don't know
anybody in uniform. i it's not that. it's that in the heat of the moment, we fight for each other, the idea that we are all in it together. i think that is not only the way to get through any difficulty, but it is also a way to heal. and that's why we focus our attention on that and for kids who have pts, to get them to realize we are all in it together. >> i know you have family members. the skills and the moral compass and the ability to make decisions, if you hire a veteran, you get something that is so much better than anything else that's out there and that's the next sort of layer of this is to connect that disconnect. and not only to try and understand as much as we can,
but to bring these people into our workforce and make them the leaders that they were out there on the field. kyle, i thank you, you sit with you across the table can great respect and admiration and thank you so much for your service. >> efs just doing my job just like everybody who cares the uniform. >> exactly. what else is he going to say? that's the hero, right, jack? >> he's the best. he's also among the youngest, too. >> he's a baby. colonel, thank you so much, and thanks so much to you. enjoy charlotte. it's a great place to live, great city. >> within days of this speech being posted online, it was shared more than 2 million times. >> and next, everybody was in a
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what i regret most in my life are failures of kindness. those moment when another human being was right there in front of me suffering and i responded sensibly, reservedly, mildly or to look at it from the other endof the teend of it, who do you remember fondly? those who were kindest to you, i bet. i say as a goal in life, you can do worse than kind of be kinder. >> that was part of award winning writer george saunders' inspirational speech to syracuse university's speech. and "congratulations by the way, some thoughts on kindness." george joins us now. especially with graduation
season, we're living in it once again, how has your life changed since you give that speech? the fact that a million feel have seen that speech was amaze persian gulf. >> i was touring for this big "10th of december" when that book came out and suddenly there was a third more people at the ra readings. >> so how do i -- i hear it. i do want to be more kind. is there a little trigger, a little thing, like today x. >> luckily it was an eight-minute speech so i could step around it. it's kind of like instituting the idea that the other person is just as real as you are, even though they might be in opposition to you or making your life difficult, they're just every bit as real as you are. it's a fairly complicated thing when you get into it.
>> in new york sometimes you'll see people asking for money, people really down on their luck. and i just always give them -- of course i want to and i say, wow, a lot of people say, hey, that person could be working or it's a scam. how do you get people to get rid of their cynicism because that buck or that five bucks you're going to give to them -- >> if define kindness as i want to be beneficial with the people i come into contact with, pretty good definition. how do you know you're benefitting that person? you have to have good discernment of who that person is. the other question is how able are you to fight off your own projections? you start with just trying to enact that simple thing, you
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i'll be around less because i'll be on the national women's tour. >> you are so total obvy. >> if it's way too early, what time is it? it's time for "morning joe." but now it's time for totes obvy chuck todd. >> less than 24 hours to go until i get sedated. no. the closest thing we'll get to a super tuesday in 2014 and the main event is in kentucky. but it's mississippi's republican senate primary that's still two weeks ago that's turning heads this morning with a bizarre tale that landed someone in jail. >> plus blue grass and red turf, what better state for tdr 50 this week than kentucky. can democrats start to win more statewide in place where they outregister registered republicans by half a milli
illegal cheokeholds must be hel accountable. i don't believe all cops are bad, i don't even believe most are, but we must deal with those who are wrong as we do with others in the community. we must come together sometimes and say things that are uncomfortable, but we must seek solutions, not just get caught up in the noise on our way to doing that's. thanks for watching. i'm al sharpton. "hardball" starts right now. war against whites? let's play "hardball." good evening. i'm chris matthews in washington. let me start this monday night with the latest craziest charge against the president. it's that he's leading a war on whites. i leave it to you whether such a charge if somehow proven would be grounds for conviction and removal from office, but clearly
it's part of this impeachment clatter out there from the grass roots. 57% of which want obama thrown from the office. from the loudest of right wing radio to members of congress like iowa's steve king and minnesota's michele bachmann, to leaders in the republican house like steve scalise, impeachment varies from do it now to clearly on the table. and the danger to the republicans is that the clown car will outrun the leaders at the very top like the speaker of the house and the new deputy kevin mccarthy. could the crazy wing of the republican party speaking for the strong majority of voting republicans and buoyed by what they have gotten on right wing radio so stir the country that not even the top leaders can kwe keep it quiet? and let's not kid ourselves. nobody likes this clamor more than the democrats who relish the rise of the right within the opposition. if for no other reason than it animates the democrats on their base. admit all this lies the prospect
that the fuming of the hard right will gel with the politics of the progressives and create such a depressing cocktail that politics in general will take another drop downward and people this november, democrat and republican alike, will not even bother to vote. michelle bernard is president of the bernard center for politics and policy, and michael is a correspondent for the daily beast. mo brooks who was on the program last week is revving up the red hots in spectacular fashion. during an interview today, he rejected the idea that the gop's hardline stance on immigration is hurting the party. here's his counterattack. >> this is a part of the war on whites that's being launched by the democratic party, and the way in which they're launching this war is by claiming that whites hate everybody else. it's a part of the strategy that barack obama implemented in 2008, continued it in 2012 where he divides us all on race, on sex, greed, envy, class warfare,
all those kinds of things. well, that's not true. >> who do i start with, michelle or michael? i don't even like talking like this. in fact, i don't even say racial. i say ethnic. this thing about war on whites, what's this guy, he seems like a dignified bloke last week and now he's out there raging with the storm? >> there are probably people who are listening to what he says and feel that way and feel that he is saying exactly what they -- exactly what they believe. >> what do you mean? interpret this, channel this. who says the president is leading a war on whites? >> i think it's loudest voices of the far right in the republican party believe as well as their constituents believe that somehow the president and probably the people that they view as loving the president, democrats, african-americans in particular, and latinos as well, are waging a war on whites. it's this old sentiment that the pie belongs to all of us, and by us, i mean white.
the pie belongs to all of us. we have this african-american president in here. we have latinos who have a stronger voice. we have all these women siding with democrats. they're taking something away from us. >> are women included among whites? or i think it's an assumption white men of a certain age. >> white men of a certain age. the men, the people i believe that barack obama referred to years ago when he said people get scared and they cling to their religion. >> i'm trying to narrow this down, michelle. what does it mean? >> it is -- it is working class whites and probably also very wealthy whites over $100,000 a year that vote republican and feel that the republican party understands their plight and understands the plight of those for whom they see the country as a disaster because people of color are taking away what they believe rightfully belongs to them. >> throw this in if you can to the general woodpile of attacks on this president, which is he's deserving of removal, delegitimization, he's smoulz
something else, because he's against whites, he's got a problem. there's an awful lot of them, and it's a strange thing to be against politically if you want a majority vote. >> it goes back to the fact so many whites voted for him. >> it goes back to the very beginning of the administration, the very beginning of his campaign and the birther talk and all the rest of it, goes back to glenn beck saying in 2009, what was the exact comment, he has an antipathy to white culture? now it's an elected official. now it's getting a little more serious. >> he's nobody's fool, glenn beck. you may not like his argument, but he's thought it through. >> but he's trying to get that 57%. >> anybody who thinks this is just being concocted should listen to the voices, besides the 57% of republicans rank and file who tell us they want this guy impeached. steve king of iowa, the u.s. congressman, he gladly used fox news sunday with chris wallace yesterday as his megaphone for
his impeach obama bugle cry, and the white house probably couldn't have been happier. our own chuck todd lampooned the notion that fox was in cohorts to book king in the first place. as chuck said, i think the white house would love if somebody -- if everybody booked steve king 24 hours a day. anyway, this is congressman king reacting to reports that president obama is planning to act on immigration reform without congress. >> i think congress has to sit down and have a serious look at the rest of this constitution and that includes the "i" word that we don't want to say. where would we draw the line otherwise? if that's not enough to bring that about, i don't know what would be. we have never seen anything in this country like a president who says i'm going to make up all immigration law i choose and drive this thing despite the resistance of congress. >> is there a chicken game going on here? could the president's people be looking at this like, if they want to be crazy, we'll let them
look crazy? we're making sure everybody seems this behavior. we're going to blast it louder. he's not going to get away with just playing to the peanut gallery and the red hots. we're going to make sure everybody hears the red hot talk being used on radio and used at those town meetings. everybody is going to hear it. >> absolutely, the president is stoking the fires they're giving him. as of right now, the republican party is the gift that keeps on giving. you look at the clip we just looked at. what they're telling us between immigration and suing the president over the affordable care act is our highest legislative priority is, one, deporting young minors, latino children who are in the country as unaccompanied minors, and forcing the employer mandate of the affordable care act to take place now because they don't like the fact that the president delayed it. >> that's nonsense because this would be considered relief if this was a republican president. i'm just trying to get these businessman time to get used to the new law, republican
businessman a chance. dan pfeiffer continues to say that the white house is taking the impeachment threats serious la larbly. he did not back down when confronted by george stefanaup almost. >> it's going to be foolish to think this republican caucus would consider impeachment. >> the speaker told me it's not going to happen. >> five days before the government shutdown, he said there's no way we would shut the government down over health care, and we did. in the house of representatives. john boehner may have the gavel, but ted cruz has the voice. >> you don't really think impeachment is possible? >> when he takes the step to sue the united states, even though he's issuing executive orders in the lowest rate in 50 years, it's a possibility. >> be ready to ask the question three times because they'll dodge it three times. when phifer does it, he had
three different answers. george kept pushing and pushing. are you serious about impeachment and every time he had an answer. >> and he was right, and they better be serious about impeach; i don't know what the cancs are, but they have impeached bill clinton. they would be idiots at the white house not to take this seriously, and you also have to remember. john boehner doesn't run that caucus, that caucus runs john boehner. this is the second showdown he's lost with ted cruz, and they're having this benghazi hearing. >> we're going to go round robin and show it's not just the people who are crazy but the people with brains. here is rand paul, certainly a smart guy. he rallied his base attacking president obama as a king after he said they'll yank the loan on immigration since the republicans in congress don't do anything. here he is. >> who does he think he is? i mean, really, he's going to act without the authority of you
or your congressmen? he's just going to act. it doesn't matter what your opinion is on immigration. i practically think we could do some kind of reform, but you can't do it by royal edict. we can't have a king doing it. you can't have lawlessness. you can't have a president just say, if they won't act, i will. i have a pen, i have a phone, i will act. that's not what our country is about. >> now, there's a sophisticated challenge, which i think is a good challenge. we'll talk about who has power and who doesn't. here is liberal commentator and fox analyst juan williams who went off on needham after he said the democratic fund-raisers were the only people talking about impeachment. here's the great juan williams. >> there's lots of republicans who think this man is a demon, this guy is awful. we have to get this guy out of here any way we can. he's breaking the law. all the democrats are doing is taking advantage of the fact that you guys have demonized president obama to this extent because it's not only doesfund- lots of people, especially in
the mijoert community, see it as an attack on the first black president. think it's unfair, so it's going to spur their turnout in the midterms which is going to be critical in several races. >> how are you hearing this impeachment talk? >> i hear it the same way juan does. he hits the nail on the head. particularly as a human being, you should see it this wi, bought particularly as an african-american, you think about joe wilson screaming at the president, you lie. you think about jan brewer shaking her finger in the president's nose when she greeted him in arizona. and then you look at this and you can't help but think, what's wrong with this picture? would they do this to a white president? they would have never done this to bill clinton and they hated him. >> how about the way mitt romney talked down to him in the first debate? a lot of that stuff is subtle. >> but you feel it. >> thank you so much. by the way, i don't think rand paul belongs in the clown car, but he was singing backup today. anyway, thank you michelle and thank you michael. coming up, the best senate race
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your washington, d.c. after three decades in washington, you've just given up. you don't care about us anymore. thanks to you, d.c. stands for doesn't care. you seem to think that the president is on the ballot this year. he's not. this race is between me and you and the people of kentucky, while we intend to hold you accountable for your 30 years of failed leadership. >> wow, and he was in the room. and then 30-year incompoint senator mitch mcconnell took the stage himself and did his best to make grimes a stand-in for president obama. >> by any standard, barack obama has been a disaster for our country. that's what you get for elected someone with no experience. he was only -- he was only two years into his first job when he started campaigning for the next one. sound familiar?
and every time he got in trouble, and every time he got in trouble in his inexperience became obvious, he called in bill clinton. sound familiar. with so much turmoil around the world, we can't afford a leader who thinks the west bank is a hollywood fund-raiser. there's only one way to begin to go in a different direction. that's to change the senate and make me the leader of the new majority to take america in a different direction. >> this is something. anyway, the kentucky senate race will be the marquee contest this fall, as you just saw. a big factor, by the way, in who is going to get control of the united states senate next year. if this weekend was any indication, this battle will be epic. howard fineman had a ringside seat. also joining us is the former dnc chair, ed rendell. i love this stuff. governor, i know you do, too. this is real politics. it reminds me of "the candidate." this is the pro against the amateur, and you really don't know who's going to win, howard.
>> chris, i did have a front row seat, and i started in journalism in kentucky, spent almost five years in the state, so i know how they play politics there. this is as elemental and as confrontational and personal -- >> in a room. did you see the face on mcconnell when she's laying into him? >> yeah, and she had a frozen smile on her face when he was laying into her. nay speak back to back. this is national but also personal. it's national becausish rr the republican establishment against what's left of the democratic party in the south, and it's also personal and negative. this race is basically whom do you like less? barack obama or mitch mcconnell? and it's a race to the bottom between the two, and it's going to be for better or worse, almost entirely negative, especially from here on to november 4th. >> governor, this is what people usually put in their ads when they don't actually have to show up. they just say this crap paid for by. but these people deliver the
crap right out of their mouths. this is personal stuff. he's an old art, basically what she is saying. he's over there, this is his retirement party. you couldn't get more personal about a guy, 73, than that. and he's treelting her like she doesn't know nothing. great stuff, i guess. why not? >> it is good stuff. i was struck by two things. first of all, this is a terrible year to be an incumbent and a worse year to be a leader because people are absolutely furious with what's gone on in congress and what happened with the five-week vacation, not doing anything about the border, that made it even worse. i think mitch mcconnell has that against him. he's a leader, ask eric cantor what it is to be a leader running for re-election. second issue is the optics. the optics were shocking this morning. when i watched on tv. allis alison lundergan grimes looks fresh, young, energetic, and mitch mcconnell looks tired and old and past his prime.
those optics will play in her favor. i think it's going to be very tough. you put barack obama on the ballot and that will appeal to the base, but i don't know if the independent voter is going to go for that. so i think alison lundergan grimes has a very good chance. >> i do, too. let me notice snng, i noticed something about the way the governor was talking there. you notice how -- you do because you have been reporting this, mitch mcdonnell doesn't run for leader of the senate, he hopes to become majority leader while never admitting he's already the leader of the republicans. he never says that. >> chris, i'm not just trying to praise you because you're the host of the show, but that's the story that i haven't written yet. it's mcconnell's attempt to run as the change agent. you heard what he said at the end. let's change things and elect me. but i agree with the governor. i think people in kentucky have known him for 30 years. mitch mcconnell. they don't think of him as a
change agent. i don't think that's going to work. >> what about cole? he talks about he's the coal man. >> that's true, and i think that's alison grimes' weak spot because they're desperately trying to tie her not only to barack obama but to harry reid who once infamously in kentucky said coal makes you sick. that phrase has been plastered all over the state. alison grimes is going to do well in louisville, in lexington. she can't afford to be wiped out in the coal regions of the state, had is why bill clinton, as mitch mcconnell said, he's coming in on wednesday. he's going to campaign in the coal regions of eastern kentucky. >> where do you think the glass ceiling lies? i sometimes think there are states on the coast, for example, i have noticed this, women senators all over the place, up and down the coast, washington state, californicali four of them, east coast, couple from maine, from new york, alternating. is kentucky, ohio, pennsylvania,
are they ready to get rid of the glass ceiling for senate? >> i think so. look at the primary results in 2008 in kentucky. hillary clinton won by 37 points. there are a lot of working class women in kentucky who might surprise you on election day, chris. remember, hillary won by 37 points. >> also, in kentucky, quite frankly, it's still a state where who's governor is more important than who's senator. >> absolutely. >> there has been a woman governor of kentucky who was sitting next to alison. >> ed rendell always thought that was the case, by the way. >> yes, right. >> the other thing about kentucky, about alison grimes is, she's kentucky through and through. i know this sounds silly, but she rides horses and she can outshoot mitch mcconnell and she's kentuckying it up. >> she looks like it. >> she's what they call in kentucky a handsome filly, and she's tough. she's very tough.
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15,000 at new york's old madison square garden. it was to raise money for the democrats. while the evening featured several hollywood celebrities, it was most famously remembered for marilyn monroe's sexy serenade aimed at the president. the legend has it her dress was so tite, she had to be sewn into it. needless to say, her performance was an immediate sensation. here's how the president himself reacted after monroe left the stage. >> i can now retire from politics after having happy birthday sung to me by such a sweet lady. >> sweet and wholesome is what he said there. but president kennedy also used that occasion to take a shot, a friendly one at his 1960 rival for president, former vice president richard nixon. richard nixon had famously used his new family dog checkers to defend himself from charges of corruption in the 1952dwighti ea
campaign speech where he said these lines about the cuddly clocker spainial which came as a gift from a campaign supporter. >> it was a little cocker spaniel dog in a creaate he sen all the way from texas, black and white, spotted, and our little girl, trirsha, the 6-year-old, named it checkers. you know the kids like all kids love the dog. and i just want to say this right now, that regardless of what they say about it, we're going to keep him. >> what they say about it. anyway, ten years later, nixon's checkers speech was still as well known as it was in 1952. and president kennedy couldn't resist mocking his old rival. he replaced nixon's line about his dog checkers with a line about kennedy's daughter, her own pet, actually, in this case, it was caroline kennedy talking about riding her pony on the white house lawn. here's kennedy and his version of richard nixon's checkers speech. >> a little speech given by a
former vice president of the united states in 1952 which is even more pertinent. it was just a little pony and you know the kids, my kids loved it, and i just want to say this right now. regardless of what they say about it, we're going to keep it. >> up next, i'll talk to former israeli prime minister shimon peres about gaza. you're watching "hardball," the place for politics. at would hap. if energy could come from anything? or if power could go anywhere? or if light could seek out the dark? what would happen if that happens? anything.
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it struck them as they were passing a united nations school. ten people were killed including one child. since the start of the conflict, more than 1800 palestinians and 67 israelis have been killed. earlier today, i spoke with israel's former president, shimon peres about what hope there is for ending the fighting. first, here's a suggestion from the organization for the future of gaza. msnbc has established a partnership with an organization that mines stories from the web it says are not getting pigged up by the traditional media. one deals with gaza and what they describe as a proposal for a peaceful economic development of the territory. i'm skeptical about the notion that hamas now controlling gaza could be displaced as the main power in the territory. that or agree to disarm. but here's the case they make. judith dubben of vocative. let's watch.
>> for an increasing number of leaders around the world, the only way to create a genuine shift in the paradigm for gaza is to disarm hamas and make a long-term investment in economic development. >> any process to resolve the crisis in gaza in a lasting and meaningful way must lead to the disarmament of hamas and all terrorist groups. >> the best solution really is to have a long-term cease-fire with removal of the siege and with economic and social development. >> since israel pulled out of gaza in 2005, a disastrous pattern has emerged. hamas launches missiles at israel. eventually, the israeli defense missiles retaliate with devastating defense forces in gaza which they say are designed to root out the danger posed by
the military wing of hamas. then israel clamped down, restricting movements in and out of gaza. the local economy withers. hamas uses the aid money it receives to buy more weapons. the palestinian people suffer. >> this is a tragedy of what we see today. hamas do not believe in the reality of two states. hamas do not believe in diplomacy, so the money went to create military infrastructure. >> it is possible to create a better future in this part of the world. just look at the west bank town of ramallah where the palestinian authority not hamas is in charge. many people here still complain bitterly about israel's security restrictions, but business flourishes, construction is booming. >> what we see in the west bank today, this is demilitarization.
>> this sort of structure, disarmament for development, seems logical, but in gaza, there are two very different visions for the future. >> i want hamas, i have a bullet in my neck. and i'm asking and calling for peace and calling to stop this war. enough. not more blood. >> that was judith dubben of the israeli based group vocative, and here's my interview with shimon peres. again, you'll hear my skepticism
on this peace proposal. >> mr. peres, these headlines coming from gaza are horrific. what is your hope for an end to this? >> in my judgment today two camps and arming the palestinian people. a camp that wants to start peace, which is made by the palestinial authority and headed by abbas, and i believe is a serious leader and a responsible partner to talk with. on the other hand, there is a group of terrorists in gaza, the most important among them is hamas, they want policy to have a protest. they don't want to compromise. they want to kill. we don't have a choice but to fight against them determinedly.
in two ways, by the way. one, if shthey shoot, we shoot back. on the other hand, we're also thinking how to restore the situation in gaza itself, which is today one of the poorest places in the world. we cannot do it by fighting and building. we have to bring an end to the fighting and then we shall begin to build. >> how do you get hamas to either capitulate or get defeated. how do you put them out of the way if they're committed to terrorist and the destruction of israel? >> but for the military, which we shall continue, as we have. we don't have a choice. and we shall continue to do it until they stop shooting. i think those in politics, a major problem is there are no politics or international politics without legitimacy. i think that either the united nations has to decide who is the
sovereign over gaza. originally, gaza and the west bank were handed over to brazilian authority and gaza is supposed to be under the sovereignty of the palestinian authority. hamas actually revolted against them, killed their leaders, and hijacked gaza, if you want. from a legal point of view, the united nations have declared the sovereign of gaza is the palestinian authority. and everything concerning gaza must go through him and not through the terrorists. you cannot have both at the same time. you cannot put in the same glass fire and water. either water or fire. now, if the legitimacy will be really declared in the hands of the palestinian authority, all
the money, all the means, all the traffic should go through them because even if they will continue to shoot, and by the way, they're a danger for all the arab world, not only for us. you know, the terrorists are destroying the arab world country by country. they destroyed the legitimacy and the integrity of syria, of iraq, of lebanon, of yemen. you know, in libya itself, you have today 1200 groups of terrorists. imagine. it's a catastrophe. and a small group without any responsibility, without any identity, can buy more arms and shoot. the world must introduce for its own sake or other places. i think what we have to answer fi
fire by fire and we shall do it. and every time they do something, we shall find an answer to it. may take some time. it's klacostly. we would like to be free like anybody else, but we sure we shall have the upper hand in fighting the terror as well. we shall not give up. we did it already. many times by terrorists, and we don't want to kill anybody. not by seeing them suffering. it doesn't bring us any joy to see somebody suffering or to see a child dying, but they do it and we have to stop it. that is the military side. on the other hand, the political side, which is not only in the hands of israel. we have to declare there is a sovereign gaza and it is not hamas. because hamas is a killer, not a partner. >> are you hardened by the news
today that saudi arabia, the old king of saudi arabia has declared hamas the troublemaker in gaza, not israel, but hamas? that was a startling development. >> look, i think they're right. you know, for many years, many arabs thought that they are a danger, the problem is israel. they didn't know that the danger is not israel but terror. if there is a menace to the arab land, to their independence, to their dignity, it comes from terror, not from us. and for that reason, many of them are ready to go either openly or secretly with israel to bring an end to hamas for their own good reason and they're right. i mean, no country can remain safe if small groups of terrorists will come and lay them down. it's a real problem. and nobody has a chose. >> mr. peres, thank you so much
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"colbert report." >> if you look at the outcome, student outcomes in new york, okay, so 91% of teachers around the state of new york are rated either effective or highly effective, yet 31% -- >> sounds goods. >> -- 31% of our kids are reading, doing math -- how does that compute? >> i went to public school in south carolina and 31% sounds like a majority to me. why are we blaming the teachers? maybe it's the dumb kids. >> they're getting some help from a star trial lawyer, david boyce, who, of course, is the man who fought to overturn california's same-sex marriage ban and defended al gore in that infamous 2000 supreme court case, bush v. gore which ultimately decided the presidency. both campbell brown, founder of the partnership for educational justi justice, and david boyce, join me right now. let's get to the heart of this. people watching. i'm big on charter schools.
i love the movie by davis guggenheim "waiting for superman." people want to send their kids to public schools or already do but are afraid the kids aren't getting good education. how will getting rid of tenure laws make education for the better kid better? campbell? >> first of all, it's not a silver bullet. let's be clear. it's not going to solve all our problems. we have a lot of challenges we need to address. this is one of them which is the gold of getting an effective teacher in front of every child. what tenure laws have become is permanent. it's real, it's become -- it's become prefuncto rrkprefunctory. >> campbell, this is hot stuff. do they have places in new york where teachers go who are lousy teachers, put them a room, they sit in that room. what's it called? >> rubber rooms. they tried to do away with the rubber rooms. now they have the absent teacher
reserve. >> david, you get in here. how bad is it when they take teachers who are deadheads, mailing it in, lost interest in their job but instead of fires them because they have tenure, they put them in a room, pay them full salary when they an go home to their wives, kids, said, yeah, i worked that day. they spend time there wasting time. >> if we had an unlimited amount of money, we could tolerate that. for every one of the people not teaching, we're losing the ability to have a replacement who wants to teach, able to teach and would improve the lives of our children. you wouldn't go to a hospital or law firm where the people were not retained and promoted based on merit, and parents don't want to send their children to schools where the teachers aren't promoted and retained based on merit. >> somebody once said of a politician who you know, i won't quote on television, said to me, if you're tired going there 10 years and don't want to go the
11th year, quit. do teachers quit when they've lost interest in teaching or stay on and keep collecting the paycheck is my question? do you want to do this, david? >> i love teachers, all right? both of my parents -- >> what about the ones who lost interest and are still collecting a paycheck? >> thought ought to be replaced. both of my parents were public school teachers. i know the spirit that drives people who love to teach. we have to make room for the really qualified, passionate people who want to teach our children. and we have to find a way to replace the people who have given up. who don't want to teach anymore, for whom it's just become a paycheck, who aren't fulfilling their responsibleility. not because we're attacking teachers but because we care about teachers and the teaching profession. >> why do you care? i only have a second. >> that's how the other side portrays this as an attack on
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let me end tonight with an idea shared with me over the weekend that the president should be suing the congress. normally that would strike me or you as absurd, but now that we're in the suing season, it deserves a tad of consideration. think about what the president
said in his press briefing on friday. think of all the ways the congress has simply failed to perform its regular duties. basically left its inbox stuck with undone work from getting a budget passed, to approve executive appointments, even for nonpolitical ambassadors to important posts, moscow, for example. isn't there a place in the law here that might be as attorneys like to call it, actionable? isn't the u.s. congress the delinquent party here, again, to use an attorney's favorite word, exposed? failure to provide services. that's the phrase. failure to provide services is when a government official doesn't do what their job requires they do. suppose you wait in line to get your driver's license renewed. there you are standing at the dmv for hours and when you finally reach the front of the line, the person behind the counter says i don't feel like it. i know you think you have a right to a renewed license, but i don't think i'll give it to you. that would be failure to provide services, wouldn't it? every time this president sends a routine measure to the congress or routine appointment and has the congress look at him and say, i don't feel like doing
it can help improve connectivity. that's going to do it for "way too early." "morning joe" starts right now. ♪ good morning. it is thursday, may 15th. and it's just so pretty out. >> i went last night to kate's softball game. >> how'd she do? >> well, i couldn't tell because i went out in a t-shirt and it was 15 degrees. >> i know. what happened? >> this is just inclement weather. those climate change deniers, they make me mad. she did well. she's got a great -- >> she's got a swing, what fr what you've sent me. >> she had a big strike zone. >> big strike zone. boom just like that. >> did you call marco rubio about the weather? >> why would i call him about the weather? >> because he's a climate denier.
>> is there some left wing conspiracy already 30 seconds in? seriously. i come here, i love jesus, i love america, and all you marxists are on me. i'm 30 seconds in. can't i love the lord and talk about my little girl without you guys -- >> i thought we were talking about -- >> we were. >> his little 5-year-old jack says can't we all just get along. but he won't let me. >> we have mike barnicle, john heilemann, and in washington columnist for bloomberg view al hunt. hi, al. >> hey. >> willie are you okay? >> i'm good. >> take care of things while i was gone? >> kind of. >> sorry about the bruins. >> had to get out the golf clubs. >> say sorry about the nets. >> sorry about the nets. sorry about "the new york times." you know, i'm such a champion of
women's rights. >> i'm actually sorry about this. >> i am too. i think we have something to talk about knowing your value conference. >> yes. we already did, but this definitely -- >> time to pay -- it's a war on women. #war on women. >> no. it's actually just a dirty little secret. >> didn't that happen with "time" magazine too? >> yeah. until a woman took over and rectified the situation. >> she saw the salaries and said, wait a second. >> fixing this. >> why don't we explain this story? we talk in shorthand. >> i think you have to try a different approach. i think you have to try, joe, shush, in his ear. then i'll get to the stories. >> you told me to shut up. >> there's a major shakeup at "the new york times" as executive editor jill abramson has been dismissed from her responsibilities at the paper. at least that's the way "the new york times" puts it on today's front page.
publisher arthur sultz burger says the decision was made because there was an issue with management in the newsroom. however, there appears to be another issue at play. equal pay. ken of the new yorker breaks down a different side of the story. he writes, quote, several weeks ago i'm told abramson discovered that her pay and her pension benefits as both executive editor and before that as managing editor were considerably less than the pay and pension benefits of bill keller, the male editor whom she replaced in both jobs. she confronted the top brass. one close associate said. and this may have fed into the narrative that she was pushy. a characterization that for many has an inescapably gendered aspect. a spokesperson for "the times" disagrees. jill's total compensation was directly comparable to bill
keller's during his time as executive editor. the pension benefit was frozen in 2009. so, yes, there would be a difference in pension benefit. bill was a 30-year employee. most of that time spent prior to 2009. a lot of notes, according to sources, the pay gap was closed only after abramson raised concerns about it. he also reports abramson clashed with the company's ceo over a, quote, intrusion of the business side into the newsroom. as well as the hiring of a new managing editor for the paper's website. abramson was "the times" first female editor having assumed that role in september of 2011. she will be replaced by dean baquet. >> a lot going on there. first of all, the gender issue. looked at the salaries at "time"
magazine. found out women weren't being paid for comparable jobs and sall ris. now this. >> my instinct is to believe it just given my experience in the news industry over the course of 30 years. not talking about necessarily here, but we have our own story here that we've written about. so we can put that aside. that's out there. but, no, i read that. i was not surprised at all. >> a lot of deeply disturbing questions here. there's also the church/state issue where separation from editorial from business. jill had expressed concern for some time that business was creeping over too much into the editorial side of the newspaper. and she got big pushback from that, too, and was seen as a troublemaker. >> "the times" along with other newspapers have had serious financial problems over the past decade. "the times" also has a new ceo. formerly head of the bbc. he's been here about two years.
i assume his way of doing business is a little different than american publishers. but a couple of things about this story. >> and they clashed as well. >> yes. >> big fight. >> ken is clearly a terrific reporter, so i trust him and his sources. >> he's going to be on this morning. >> two, the aspect of equal pay that you've raised that is clearly part of the body of this story as with so many other things, the hypocrisy in the news business maybe artur ought to read his own editorials. >> war on women. equal pay for equal jobs. >> when you come into a job like this as a woman, you do notice these things. if you come in as a man, you don't. you're just used to it. >> let's get comments from another man, al hunt. >> am i right, al? >> she's right. let's agree with her. all right. so -- no, you're exactly right. and al, it's been a very --
again, some extraordinarily important issues that mika brings up accurately all the time about equal pay for equal work. again this church/state issue that goes to the heart of journalistic integrity. jill abramson weighed in, she leaned in and got even tougher on china. and so there's no doubt she also would be very tough on a business regime she thought was interfering with the editorial side. >> joe, i've known jill abramson for over a quarter century. i've worked with her. she's smart. she's tough.
she's fearless. she's loyal. i think she took the time -- she took a great newspaper and made it even greater. i think "the times" is a terrific newspaper today. i don't know what happened the last couple weeks. i haven't spoken to her about that. imagine if this had happened to the christie administration or the obama white house, do you think "the times" would have accepted that statement from him yesterday? i don't think so. >> that's a great point. what if this story came out from chris christie's administration? >> there's be a takedown. >> it would be like augusta national was back in 2002. >> that's right. the other thing, i'm interested to hear what you think mika. the other thing that troubles me in these stories i've seen in the last 12 hours is she was pushy, she was aggressive. she was run bning the paper.
that is her job to be push y i and aggressive. if it was a man, you'd never hear those terms. she was there half the time bill keller was there. on the pension side, so maybe there's discrepancy there to be explained. but the description of her, that's what you want the person at the top to be. aggressive and pushing things. maybe you don't always like it, that's the way it works. >> actually, it should be -- you know, when you remember someone in retrospect who was very good at their job, often you use those words. you know, aggressive, relentless, tough. and when you hire pop whether it's a man or woman, you don't want them to walk in the door to be like little mouses afraid of the shadow. you want them to be aggressive and tough for your business. so all of a sudden this is a negative point. >> it is -- and i've seen you
running our office. i mean, we have the dynamic here on the air where some people might talk more than you do on the air. but in the office, you run the office and you have to be extremely tough in the office. i mean, that's -- it is unfortunatelily, i mean, everybody respects you. but unfortunately it's very, very difficult as a woman. >> i think for a woman it's a learned behavior. i was on a conference call for the conference i'm having tomorrow in hartford and i was giving my script to a team of women. and i'm like, don't apologize. try and get in there and learn how to engage. look at them directly in the eye, own the table, body language, the whole thing. and i said you really can't shrivel up and self-deprecate and assume it's going to come in backwards. and they looked at me and said we can't imagine you ever being shy and self-deprecating.
i thought to myself, that's how i was for 20 years. and now i'm very fierce. >> is she self-deprecating? >> no. >> sometimes charmingly self-deprecating but also very tough. i would say perfect. >> say perfect. a perfect balance. but the pushy thing is true. >> obviously all true, but there's a lot more of work to be done on this. to be fair to "the times," they need to -- they're going to need to report this story out in a way they haven't yet done. >> can i just say one thing? >> yeah. >> this is the second high-level woman in the last two years that "the times" has dismissed, as they put it. janet robinson was the ceo. so, you know, this is a record that certainly is worthy of
examination. >> they did an internal investigation on that. so we'll wait and see. this game is a surprise to a lot of people. so the fact they have not yet done a big hard hitting long piece is acceptable in the short-term. we'll have to see how they cover it over the coming days. but it is true over the course of jill's tenure, there has been reporting by other outlets about the fact there was a fair amount of newsroom discontent and conflict that's been going on pretty much not necessarily from the beginning, but pretty much throughout her tenure. so it's surprising because it came out of nowhere, but not totally surprising if you go back and look at the tenor of the coverage and a lot of gripes from every side that have been coming out really for the last two years. >> yeah. the people describing her sound like a bunch of what you would think in a cartoon of conservative men. but they're all a bunch of liberals. which a interesting. >> it is interesting. >> do you find that often? because you are very -- it is like a men's club.
>> you know, there are great in news organizations i've been shocked by the hypocrisy. especially on women's issues through the years. especially on women's issues. i have. all these people that are supposedly so progressive and open minded on women's issues, i've been pretty shocked by what i've seen since i've been in the media for years. not much is talking about the hallowed halls of nbc news where we're perfect. >> no. we're making huge changes in the right direction though. i'm so excited about what's happening here. >> we are. but i have been stunned it is still a boys' club in national media outlets. my god, in 2014, the fact this discussion is even being had at the most important newspaper in the world just proves that point. >> i'm not surprised. senator harry reid is sounding off on everything and of course the koch brothers are among his
top targets. he tells buzzfeed, quote, if they think romney was watched closely by me, that's nothing compared to what it's going to be like with the koch brothers. this guy is -- the nevada senator promises multiple votes if necessary. corrupting influence of the citizens united ruling. which in his words puts the political process in the sewer. reid also suggested his recent comments to nbc news about billionaire sheldon adelson have been misinterpreted. here's part of what he told chuck todd last week. >> the two richest people in the world. and they are in it to make money. that's their whole goal here. is to add zeros to their billions. and i don't think that's the case with any -- >> you don't think that's the case with adelson? >> i know sheldon adelson.
he's not in this for money. he's not in this to make money. he's in it because he has certain ideological views. now, sheldon adelson social views are in keeping with the democrats on choice, on all kinds of things. so don't pick on him. he's not out to make money. >> he tells buzzfeed, i didn't praise adelson i just said on social issues he's good. but the point is there's too much money in politics. that's true. >> willie geist, he's the gift that keeps on giving. >> put him in context. >> you have to ask why the democratic party has him as their face running the senate. >> it's amazing. listen, he's got a point about money in politics, right? >> yes. >> i think we would all agree with that. something has to be done about it. but when he goes out every day and beats the same drum. again, it's obviously a political strategy. must be working in some races where he's using it, but as a national strategy, i'm not so sure. but if you're going to attack
the guys, get your facts guys. they're not the two richest guys in the world. they're not the world's number one polluters. all these things he rolls out about them to make the cartoon character. you don't have to like the koch brothers, but get your facts right. >> don't lie about them. i mean, don't lie about them. >> at least he pointed out the truth about sheldon. he's in it for public service. >> you think back in the 2012 campaign when harry reid was over and over again making the accusations mitt romney had not paid income taxes for a decade and he would say it every day. over at the white house which was delighted to see reid do that, they'd say harry's like a dog on a bone. and he's like that again. >> you wonder why the democrats let this guy run the senate when he says things like that. >> bill clinton is defending his wife against suggestions by karl rove that her health situation may impact her plans for 2016.
speaking at a fiscal summit in washington, the former president knocked down suggestions that hillary hadn't leveled with the american people about her concussion back in 2012. according to monday's new york post, rove told a los angeles audience last week that the former secretary of state may have brain damage. while rove refutes the exact wording -- >> i don't understand. help me understand. why would he say that? i don't understand. >> he's not smart. anyhow, here's what you get for that. take a look. >> first of all, i got to give him credit, you know, that embodies that old saying that consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds. first they said she faked her concussion. and now they say she's auditions for a part on "the walking dead." she works out every week. she is strong. she's doing great. as far as i can tell, she's in
better shape than i am. she certainly seems to have more stamina now. and there's nothing to it. >> do you think this is their way of inserting her age or her physical capabilities into the 2016 debate? >> i don't know, but if it is, you can't be too upset about it. it's just the beginning. they'll get better and better at it. i mean, you know, i'm still waiting for to admit to white water. >> don't do that. >> willie geist. >> i can't stand it. >> i told you once. oh, my gosh. unbelievable. >> don't do it, joe. >> there's a fake scratch. >> i can't stand it. >> willie, come on, man. he's the elvis of this stuff. >> that means he's thinking and not telling the truth.
somebody needs to do a body language expert about that. just saying. >> what are you talking about? >> when you do that. oh, stop, joe. you know exactly what it's about. do you want me to share with everybody? >> he's so funny. >> it's gotten very far though. it's worked for him. >> party's over. all right? still ahead on "morning joe," glen greenewald joins us. former governor of new york, george pataki on today's 9/11 museum dedication. and carly fiorina on women knowing their value in the workplace. that's all coming up in a packed 7:00 hour. then at 8:00, congressman and veteran of the air force adam kinzinger on why he thinks secretary shinseki won't survive the va health care crisis. and a special report from nbc's ann curry on the so-called
twitter diplomacy. up next, politico has a story that could concern most parents out there. we'll explain that next. but first, speaking of concerned parents, let's go to bill kairns with a check on the forecast. >> actually it's parents are concerned when he moves in the neighborhood. >> they do the checks and i'm not on that list. >> what lawyer did you get to get off of them? >> we'll discuss that later. >> that's terrible. >> not on that list. good morning, everyone. ohio and southern california, you are the areas of concern yesterday. look at this picture. this is an airplane landing into san diego. you could see three fires in the background all burning in different locations. how rare is that. then let me take you to ohio. you had severe storms. this wasn't your ordinary severe storms. look at this tornado rolling through the field. some damage was done. thankfully it was mostly out there in the farmer's fields. look at this.
that's up close and personal. let's take you into southern california. this is where the danger is today. yesterday we were about 99 to 100. almost everywhere in southern california. the winds are going to howl again today. and these fire pictures were incredible. these fires formed so quickly and spread so rapidly yesterday, the firefighters had no chance. there were about 30 homes that did burn. a lot of people were evacuated and a lot of fires will flare back up today with the gusty winds and hot temperatures. easily 100 once again in l.a. now to the east, we have flood watches from buffalo, pittsburgh, through virginia. even areas under a flood watch. a slow. moving storm is going to soak the east. we're going to have travel impacts. the airports will be a problem, then we deal with the rainfall. as much as 3 to 5 inches possible. west virginia to virginia. that's my greatest area of concerns. a lot of active weather out there. of course the biggest trouble, the fires today in southern california. washington, d.c. starting out with a nice morning.
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and with that in mind... what's in your wallet? ♪ it's time to take a look at the morning papers. >> that's a live look at the 9/11 memorial. >> memorial and museum. and i've got to say looking at "the daily news" and some of the other papers, i mean, the reviews on this museum from tough tabloid editors and journalists, just so strong and so positive. apparently they really got it right in there. >> it's been a long time coming. the national september 11th memorial and museum will hold its dedication today.
it is seven stories below where the towers once to do. it includes personal items, artifacts, and 2,000 oral histories. including final voice mail from victims to their loved ones. president obama and the first lady will be on hand for the ceremony. the museum opens to the public on may 21st. >> and from "the boston herald." 200 people con officialed dead in turkey's worst mining accident ever. 150 others still trapped inside after the underground explosion. more than 300 people have been rescued. rescue crews are pumping in fresh air. but a fire inside the mine is hindering the search efforts. >> "usa today" radio personality casey kasem was found in washington state just days after a judge ordered an investigation into his whereabouts. the ruling came after his wife admitted to being unaware of his
location. >> that's unbelievable. >> a spokesperson says kasem's kids are concerned about his health and will work to bring him home to california. the top 40 deejay suffers from advanced parkinson's and can no longer speak. >> and the kids have been trying to get control of him or at least get to see him for some time. the wife has kept him away. now he's wandered off to washington state. i think they'll have more luck actually being able to stay in touch with their dad. i grew up on casey kasem. every weekend i would sit in front of the radio. extraordinary talent. "the washington times," the crew of the south korean ferry disaster now indicted in the accident. the crew was negligent and failed to protect more than 300 people on board. the captain, the first and second mate, along with the chief engineer could all face the death penalty if convicted. 11 others are charged with abandoning passengers in need. >> let's go to willie now for a look at politico. >> yes. it's in live and in person today. >> what? >> mike allen.
he's here with us in new york city. >> good to see you. >> good morning and congratulations on the book. >> thank you very much. coming out on tuesday. it's been exciting. bill geist will be on this show next week. >> what's the book called? >> it's called "good talk, dad." we wrote it together. >> that's massive. like beatle mania. >> that's good. >> with a few more laughs hopefully. all right. so we digress a bit. let's talk about this big piece that you have posted in politico magazine today about data mining. we've talked now for a long time about the nsa. this is private data mining and we're talking about children. explain a bit. >> that's right. if you're involved with any school district, if you're involved with any schools either as a parent or working there, you should know about this. privacy policies at school districts and in states are very weak. and politico discovered that publishers of software, all kinds of electronic things for
kids track when they watch a video, when they take a quiz, when they play a game, when they turn a page in a textbook. collecting more individual pieces of data on students than google collects about its users. and school districts when they buy this gear and software could put more stringent privacy policies in, control who's done with this data. but often they don't. politico launched a cyber security site this week and this is one of the reasons this is going to keep being such a big issue in washington and for businesses. there's all these ramifications we weren't paying attention to. >> the idea here is to help children. if a child is struggling in one subject, the software can figure it out and try to help out. >> and do an individual lesson plan. >> what the the major concerns? does the school know how much data is being collected on their
own students? >> the schools paid no attention to this. there hasn't been a big data disaster. there have been data breaches with colleges including the university of maryland. but there hasn't been a big problem with elementary schools yet. but what we're finding on your first question, what we're finding is that school districts, even states, in an effort to help kids to move ahead, to be advanced are contracting with companies that offer great services and make big promises. but it turns out that they're also warehousing an incredible amount of data. not only do they own, but the states and schools don't even have access to. they don't even know what all is being collected. >> i think people are worried about commercial exploitation, right? the question of how do those lists and do marketers get ahold of them. >> as pa parent you'd like to be aware this is going on and try to stop it. read it on politico magazine.
great to see you. >> thanks for having me in. one video challenges the notion that dogs are man's best friend. the cat stepping in to save the day. in the middle of a dog attack on a little kid. but first ray allen proving he's still got it. coming up big for the heat in game five. highlights ahead on "morning joe." ♪ and much to phil jackson's disappointment, that guy, steve kerr, not coming to new york. thought that was a done deal. >> smart man. >> no, sir. shocker it says in "the new york post." we'll explain next. ♪ (mother vo) pregnant...
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all right. let's do some sports. pair of decisive game fives in the nba playoffs last night. we'll start with the late one. blazers and spurs. san antonio had to do it without tony parker. he left in the first half with hamstring tightness. it did not matter for the spurs. green and leonard each had 22. the spurs win. that closes out the series. san antonio heads to the western conference finals. in miami, nets ahead host of this game. up nine midway through the
fourth. looking good on the road. but lebron james, a big three here cuts the lead to five. >> wow. >> and this went down to the final minute. >> here's chalmers. gives it up. ray allen will take the three for the lead. >> that was with 32 seconds left. the go-ahead three from ray allen. how many times has he done that? it's incredible. >> i remember when he got traded to the celtics, simmons was asking whether he was too old to play. i love bill, but a lot of people were asking that question. this guy keeps producing in big games. >> brooklyn did have one last chance, but they lose. >> the nets couldn't get a shot off in the last 12 seconds. on two inbounds. horrible. >> so the heat take that one in five. they move to the eastern conference finals. tonight the wizards host the pacers trying to stay alive there. and the thunder visit the
clippers. the thunder can win this on the road, pair of game six matchups. a surprising move from steve kerr, the former gm and five-time champion accepted a five-year $20 million deal to coach not the new york knicks but the golden state warriors. this deal reportedly was for more money. the warriors have a better roster and will keep him close tore his family and farther away from -- >> jimmy nolan. >> there was the relationship with phil jackson. let's go to the ice. blackhawks in minnesota, ducks in l.a. >> justin williams out to center ice. for trevor lewis. lewis with a shot. they score! >> hail mary now. back in of the goal. out in front.
shut down. still loose. there it is. fowler off. two seconds left. that'll do it! l.a. kings have forced game seven! >> 27 to go power play. ricochetted in! and this will do it. you can hear the canadiens across the way in a relatively silent td garden celebrating they have won by a score of 3-1. >> montreal wins game seven in boston eliminating the bruins. in the west, chicago will face the winner of tonight's game seven matchups with the kings at anaheim. the canadiens move on to play the rangers in the eastern conference finals. the spotlight on the michael sam quest got brighter. the oprah winfrey network bought the rights to film his life. cameras for the draft were with sam when he was drafted and will
follow him as he tries to make the team. >> do you want that? if i'm a player going to the nfl, i would want to keep my head down. >> not as a rookie trying to make the team. >> do not bring television cameras into rookie camp following me around. i mean, if you want to be judged being a player as a player on the field, i would just guess you would not want cameras following you around where all rookies are treated like crap. >> yeah. also doesn't engender a lot of great feelings among your teammates who are not that hyped to seeing you get all this attention not having done anything. >> if you want to be judged as a player with judged as a man, i would think that's -- >> he's carried himself so well too. it's extraordinary he's been so good. i'm just theer play football. >> he needs to just play
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♪ with us now, we got the contributor for the new yorker ken auletta. you causing trouble again? stop that. >> just having fun. >> you're just having fun. well, you know, mike barnicle was reading "the new york times" -- mike, as jill was walking out the door, they kind of elbowed her. >> yeah. slash and burn outside the door.
this is the front page story in "the times." elevating second in command. this is the third paragraph in. t"the times" front, miss abramsn had been since the job since 2011. but people in the situation described serious tension in her relationship with mr. salzburger who had been hearing complaints from employees. they had disagreements before she was even appointed executive editor. no quotes. really no names. i mean, come on. >> happens to be true though. she was asked to put out a statement that i'm going on to the great white way or new career opportunities. and she refused. she said you fired me, and that's what it should say. i'm not showing up in the newsroom today when you make the announcement. >> and of course -- >> good for her. >> -- you talked about her concerns about a pay disparity
dispute. >> tell us about that. >> and she went to confront "the times" about it. >> she found out she was making less than her predecessor bill keller as executive editor when she became executive editor. she also found out when she was managing editor as her predecessor had been before he was promoted, she made less money than he did. she also found out when she was managing editor, one of her deputies made more money than she did. >> oh, my gosh. >> so she was upset about it. >> one of her deputies made more money than she made? >> correct. >> so what happened? >> she went to raise what she thought was a polite protest, and it fit into a narrative of salzburger's mind that she was a difficult person to deal with pit and the truth is there are a lot of people in the newsroom who found her very brusque. that was one of the reasons why
arthur hesitated to appoint her. because she was worried she was rough with people. she was also immensely talented. >> if she only had the soft touch like most "new york times" executive editors have. because we all know you can have a soft touch like abe rosenthal. >> or you think of any editor. >> holy cow. can you believe this? >> he would be described as tough, fierce, polarizing, hard to figure out, maybe even scary. but if it was a woman i wonder if the same thing would be -- i mean, this is a really big problem. >> it is. al hunt, let's go to you. it's extraordinary that her deputy was getting paid more than she was when she was in an earlier position. >> well, i pay a lot more attention to what ken auletta is
writing than what i read in "the new york times" about this story, joe. that -- look, jill abramson is very tough. i've known her well for a long time. she also had people there who put their hand in the fire for her because she supported people. they did some great journalism. and i think you're absolutely right. i think if men had displayed the same traits, the adverbs anded a convectives i do think the prob have overall is this narrative of women being troublemakers because they do in to deal with pay situations. how about fix the pay situations so we are not put in this position? because it does, by the way, if you're paid far less by your counterparts or people below you because you're a woman, that will make you angry and that's
okay. >> and then you're labeled difficult. >> pushy. >> exactly. >> so was there a final straw, if this had been building up over a couple years. was there an incident that happened? >> multiple things happened. one is that this pay thing a couple weeks ago came up and she actually had a lawyer. >> that's so interesting. >> which ballooned in their mind she was being difficult. at the same time she was recruited a deputy to work on the online paper. he felt undermined by that because she had not according to his side of the story, she had not kept him informed. so he went to see arthur salzburger last week and then complained about her saying she was difficult in the office. and those things all came together and formed a view that then arthur confronted jill supposedly last friday and said it's time for a change. >> it sounds like a woman went in to ask for equal pay and was
fired for it. is that fair? >> i think it's broader than that. but i think it's one issue that helped tricker the larger issue. >> name any institution following up on what al hunt said earlier. in america, any politician that if they behaved in such a way wouldn't face a withering critique from "the new york times" for months. for months. any corporation, any politician. >> as i said in my blog post yesterday, "the times" always said we have a great relationship with jill, the ceo said. that's not true. if, in fact, a politician misled the public that way, it'd be page one in "the new york times." it's not page one in "the new york times." >> was there any issue with -- mr. thompson came from the bbc. is there any cultural issue coming from the bbc to "the new
york times"? >> i think there's an issue. they claim there wasn't. that thompson wanted to have more say about the digital newspaper. and about doing things native advertising that is more friendly to advertising. and jill was very wary of that. so that created a point of tension between them as well. all creating that same narrative. >> all right. ken auletta, thanks for coming in. still ahead, fundamentally change the way we think of government and made edward snowden a household name. glenn glenn greenwald joins us. but first a video of a dog attacking a 4-year-old and a little boy's cat who came to the rescue. that's next on "morning joe." ♪ when la quinta.com sends sales rep steve hatfield the ready for you alert, the second his room is ready. you know what he brings? any questions? can i get an a, steve?
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and dragging him. here comes the family cat. mom is right there to scoop up the little boy. the cat saving the little boy as he was being dragged. he gets up and runs inside. he had some stitches in his leg. he's okay, the kid is. >> explain why the mother ran away? >> she was looking for the dog. >> explain why the person filming this didn't help -- >> it's security cameras. >> it's different angles. >> those s.o.b.s. why did they just let him burn up? >> they have video all over their house. >> i saw this in nam once where the camera man just stood by. >> it's incredible. there's a lot of camera angles. >> well directed. >> it's home security. >> that's a lot of cameras. that's an amazing cat. >> i know emma would do it. >> colonel wouldn't do it for me. >> the colonel would have sat there smoking a cigarette watching the whole thing.
>> exactly. gets what he deserves. >> there's emma. that's emma in one of her shameless moments. >> the colonel is getting fierce in his age. >> emma goes after both my dogs and any dog that comes in our neighborhood. >> there's the colonel. >> we got two dogs. and one dog is very big and the colonel's already scared him off. >> well, good. >> by the way, i coined another phrase. >> i love the title of your book. it's fun. >> cats do the darnedest things. >> i'm going to write that down. >> all right. you're just complete idiots. >> your book. i can't wait to see you and your dad. >> it's fun. >> adorable. >> it's a just comedy. 268 pages of comedy. >> presumably your dad sort of carries you through the book. >> that goes without saying. >> i'm sorry, but you can tell
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♪ as far as the impact on my political future, i think it will have none, because i didn't do anything. so i understand the circus that this becomes. you know, you get 61% of the vote in a blue state in november and then all of a sudden, you know, a couple of staff people do something they shouldn't have done. i fire them. and all of a sudden this becomes the biggest story in the country for a couple of months. >> are you still thinking of running for president and when will you make a decision on that? >> yes and later. >> well, there you go. >> he's running. >> that's pretty definitive. check that off. >> chris christie in. okay. >> hillary is undecided. but semi-in. >> we're not sure about jeb. >> welcome back to "morning joe." john heilemann and mike barnicle still at the table. sam stein joins us and in
chicago political analyst and former chairman of the republican national committee michael steele. and chuck todd will be here in just a few moments. >> john heilemann, obviously the reason why we talk about chris christie, why he's important, the only reason jeb bush is considering running is when christie started to falter a bit. i think christie, boy, he's locked and loaded ready to go. >> he looks like he has wanted to run before and still wants to run. there are obviously a loot of circumstances still playing out in the course of these months that might make it impossible for him to run. >> like what? >> he's under investigation on multiple fronts. we don't actually know the final answers. >> open up the newspaper, you'll see an update on it on "the daily news." >> he's not going to let democratic investigations. >> but the facts could come out. i'm not saying they will, but we don't know the answers. but there's no doubt that if he gets to the place where he is
exonerated from the most serious charges that have been leveled against him, i think there's no question he's going to try to run. but he's going to run from a much weakened position than where he would have been had none of this happened. >> sounds like torpedos full steam ahead. >> i'm impressed john had that analysis after the brooklyn loss last night. i thought he'd be crying on the set today. but it was -- i'm sorry, was that too much? >> hurt too much. >> sorry. it was the 7:00 a.m. hour. i thought the 6:00 a.m. hour was too early. >> i know where you live, sam. you realize that, right? >> i moved. i moved. anyways, i think john hit it on the head. i mean, he clearly seems like he wants to run. but there are so many lingering questions with these investigations. and democrats feel pretty emboldened on a new front too which is that the credit rating of new jersey has been reduced in several occasions the last months. there are some chinks to the armor, let's say.
and there would be a weakened position. but it seems like he's full steam ahead. >> michael, a lot of chris christie's detractors said this is a mortal wound. we still haven't seen that one connection to his office that said shut down the traffic. maybe we will in these new investigation, we don't know yet. if he's cleared in that way, he has a year or two to put it behind him. do you think a voter in iowa if you take a step back or a voter in south carolina or new hampshire is as concerned about this issue with chris christie as the media and national political analysts are? >> no, i don't think they are. i think that's an obsession of the new york media market and the washington market that seems to fixate on chris christie. one is obviously the situation in new jersey with the bridgegate and the federal
investigation into the storm funding. but the other problem is within the party itself, the base. how those iowans and new hampshire identities and others view his candidacy potentially as president of the united states is really the real test for chris christie. always has been. everything else notwithstanding all the glamour and love that comes from around the country is not necessarily the vibe that is felt at the base. >> i agree. mike barnicle at the end of the day he's going to be judged by how he works, works it in new hampshire, works it in iowa, works it in south carolina. and they don't give a damn what "the new york times" editorial page writes about chris christie. the more negative it is, the more he can hold it up in a combative way. actually won over some people that wouldn't have been with him
before. >> john heilemann, handicap this for us. you have marco rubio supposedly, rand paul, couple of others. chris christie skips iowa, goes into new hampshire. what happens? >> well, boy, you need to know what the rest of the field looks like. it's never worked out well for people who have tried to skip the first state. i mean, rudy giuliani tried that strategy back in 2008. the party likes to see compete everywhere. not just iowans but the rest of the party. especially if you're the front runner. this was the challenge that hillary clinton faced in 2008. i'm the front runner but i'm going to skip iowa. that projects all kinds of weakness. i think christie has to go and try to play everywhere. the old chris christie at his highest moment when he was at his strongest, i don't think he was a bad iowa candidate. i mean, he obviously is not an evangelical or cultural conservative the way some are,
but he had a lot of tea party support and a lot of populist appeal. >> look at the iowa governor. the iowa governor's not off the rails -- >> christie on his game can play anywhere. >> all right. senator harry reid is sounding off on everything from campaign finance to presidential politics and of course the koch brothers are among his top targets. in fact, the majority leader tells buzzfeed, quote, if they think romney was watched closely by me, that's nothing compared to what it's going to be like with the koch brothers. the nevada democrat ask now pushing -- he's cited corrupting influence of the citizens united ruling in his words put the political process in the sewer. reid also suggested his recent comments to nbc news about billionaire sheldon adelson have been misinterpreted. here's what he told chuck todd in part last week.
>> the two richest people in the world. and they are in it to make money. that's their whole goal here. is to add zeros to their billions. and i don't think that's the case -- >> you don't think that's the case with adelson? >> i know sheldon adelson. he's not in this for money. he did not do this for money. he's in this because he has certain ideological views. his views are in keeping with the democrats on choice, on all kinds of things. so sheldon adelson, don't pick on him. he's not in it for money. >> reid tells buzzfeed, quote, i can't praise adelson. i just said on social issues, he's good. we can speculate who is my favorite billionaire. but the point is there's too much money in politics. >> let's bring in chuck todd right now. it's fascinating to me that the democrats have harry reid running the united states senate. you go back to the campaign, he
talked about romney. yes, he did discuss romney. last hour when john heilemann brought it up that he told a lie or suggested incorrectly that mitt romney hadn't paid taxes in ten years. it was a lie. he kept repeating it. and now he calls the koch brothers the richest people in the world. biggest polluters. he's back tracking now on sheldon adelson. when we've got the tape. it just seems -- i don't see why the democrats have this guy running the senate. >> in some ways you can see why democrats i think some secretly like harry reid is willing to do those things. look at yesterday's story. there are a lot of democrats who think what karl rove did on hillary was a purposeful decision because look at what's
happened. there's been multiple days of questions about her age and introduced that idea. and harry reid in some ways has gleefully played that role for democrats. you know, i don't know if mitt romney paid any taxes. you just throw it out there enough, you're the senate majority leader so you're going to get quoted. you know, you're not just a crazy blogger that's throwing out these things. >> but you just said senate majority leader next to something that some -- >> i agree. it sounds low rent. >> would george mitchell ever do something like that? would bob dole ever do something like that? name any majority leader before -- tom daschle, trent lott. this is just a new low that a party is excited that a guy is going out telling falsehoods. >> i'm not defending it. don't put me in the position -- >> i'm not. i'm not nicole wallace.
i'm not putting you in a corner here. >> look. i have been lamenting. this is the worst, i would say, collective bipartisan leadership of the united states senate in my lifetime and for anybody older, i would challenge you to find it. it is amazing to me collectively mcconnell how it's a combative senate. it's a leadership-heavy senate. it's a senate that doesn't respect ranking members to let them do things as much as they used to. and it's overally political. not necessarily partisan. overly political. it seemed to be a regular occurrence that the senate majority leader and republican leader used to appear together on "meet the press." used to happen all the time. they don't even think about doing things like that now. >> i was just going to bring up trent lott and tom daschle would tear each other on "meet the press" but be friendly
afterwards. >> but on "meet the press" together. >> that's what i said. one time trent lott and bill clinton tell the story of saying something too tough about bill clinton. picked up the phone and apologized to clinton that morning. clinton said don't worry about it. again, we have to go back to the 1800s to find times when washington actually worked. but this is just a new low. >> sure. mcconnell and reid did one joint interview, i believe, on "60 minutes," and it was so cold you felt chills watching it. they don't like each other. they don't want to be collaborative with one another. i think that's a problem with the senate at large. with respect to what reid said on the koch brothers, there is problems with billionaires in the senate. and he clearly wants that money.
on the bigger point, though, about money in ploiks in this whole idea of a constitutional amendment to ban it, one, that's the only way they're going to do it. and two, it's never going to happen. and that's a bigger problem that harry reid faces more than this quipping back and forth. is there's so much money pocketed, so many billionaires dropping tens of millions of dollars which is a drop in the bucket for them, and you can't get rid of that money. >> you mentioned bill clinton. bill clinton is defending his wife against suggestions namely by karl rove that her health situation may impact her plans for 2016. speaking at a fiscal summit in washington, the former president knocked down suggestions that hillary hadn't leveled with the american people about her concussion back in 2012. according to monday's new york post, he suggested the former secretary of state may have brain damage. i want to let it breathe. >> that never gets easier to
read. >> it doesn't. it really doesn't. while rove refutes the exact wording, president clinton weighed in. >> thank goodness. >> first of all, i've got to give him credit, you know, that embodies that old saying that consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds. first they said she faked the concussion. now they say she's auditioning for a part on "the walking dead." she works out every week. she is strong. he's doing great. as far as i can tell, she's in better shape than i am. she certainly seems to have more stamina now. and there's nothing to it. >> do you think this is their way of inserting her age or her physical capabilities into the 2016 debate? >> i don't know, but if it is you can't be too upset about it. it's just the beginning. they'll get better and better at it. you know, it's -- i'm still waiting for them to admit there was nothing to white water.
>> there you go, president clinton doing what president clinton does. >> let's bring in presidential historian ray shirley. great to see you. i wanted to talk to you about this latest line of attack. her age will come up if she runs. it has been an issue in the past. why is it different this time if you think it is? >> i'm not sure it is different. first of all, i want to correct what he said. samuel johnson said foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of the little mind. he needs to work on his research. i'm not sure it's different. as a matter of fact, this is pretty much not wanting to defend karl rove. but in 1980, gop operatives were saying ronald reagan was prone to strokes and was palsy.
gerald ford said he had premature orange hair. john connolly was saying reagan better be careful. if he slips on ice in the new hampshire primary, his campaign will be all over. the attacks on reagan and his age were terrible. it gets even worse. it was terrible. and so actually, this stuff -- the problem with this is it's twofold. one is that the clintons overreacted. and that is just catnip to the vile republican consulting classes. because now they're all laying in wait and said, look, if we drew blood on this. we're going to come at them with everything. so they made the mistake. what reagan did, he would handle it with humor. and by the way, let me talk to you why we need to cut taxes for the american people. he didn't get upset, he didn't overreact. he used to joke about like during the campaign in the primaries 1980, he was talking
about why wage and prices didn't work. he made reference to the roman emperor who would enter the death penalty for anybody who violated the wage and price controls. there was no truth to the rumor when he made that ruling. so he handled it with humor. then he would take the issue attacks and pivot it and focus on the issues he wanted to talk about. >> obviously you're bringing this up, another famous moment. the 1984 debate. let's watch. >> you already are the oldest. t in history. some of your staff said you were tired after your recent account with mr. mondale. president kennedy had to go days on end with no sleep during the cuba missile crisis. is there any doubt you would be able to function in such circumstances? >> not at all. and i want you to know that also i will not make age an issue of this campaign. i am not going to exploit for
political purposes my opponent's youth and inexperience. >> funny part about that clip is you realize how hard mondale laughed at the joke. >> that was it. he hit it out of the park. that was it. the campaign was over. but he did that many, many times during the run-up to the 1980 campaign and during his presidency. >> so can we -- before we wrap it up here, these stories exist because there's a tinge of something to them. isn't that fair enough? ronald reagan certainly suffered from the effects of age in office. and you can hear that from insiders who worked with him. >> no, no, absolutely not. >> excuse me? >> no, he did not suffer from the effects of age. if you're talking about alzheimer's or mental deterioration, no. >> no, i did not say that. i can tell you exactly, but i don't think you want me to. i know people that were in the
room with him, and he definitely had effects of age in office in his second term. >> every staffer will tell you is that when he went back to california in january of '89 that he was tired. but he went to mayo every year and went through rigorous mental and physical testing and passed with flying colors all eight years of his testing. everybody who was up close and personal with him said there was no evidence of any mental deterioration during his presidency. he was as sharp as the day he left as the day he went in office. >> okay. well, we can debate that. my point is both these stories, in my opinion, have a tinge of truth. you go to hillary clinton and she was not present at a time when people had a lot of questions about something that was going on that was important in foreign policy. a huge disastrous event. and her health was a question. >> and chuck todd, let me go to you. there certainly were a lot of
questions about hillary clinton's health. this is not to justify anything that's happened, just following up on what mika said. there was a tinge of truth to this. it is something that was asked before. and it will probably be asked again as we move forward. >> and remember, they were very secretive about everything particularly in the first couple of weeks. it felt like we didn't get the details. it took a long time to get it out which is par for the course when it comes to the clintons on these things. in a weird way, karl rove did the clintons a favor. in this respect. now which i think is a legitimate thing to ask of every single presidential candidate. show us your health records. give the public, show the public your health records. it is, i think it'll be an important question to chris christie. it'll be an important question to jeb bush and hillary clinton, joe biden, whoever. and now the clintons can say you're doing the bidding of karl
rove. you know, that is in an odd way how karl rove may have done a favor for the clintons. >> craig shirley, thank you so much. sam stein, thanks as well. chuck todd, thank you. we'll be watching "the daily rundown" at 9:00 a.m. michael steele, stay with us. coming up a round table, and the story of one man who exposed the most secretive agency. how glenn greenwald and edward snowden broke the surveillance state. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. ♪ don't worry! the united states postal service will get it there on time with priority mail flat rate shipping. our priority has always been saving the day. because our priority... amazing! ...is you!
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♪ pulitzer prize winner journalist glenn greenwald author of the book "no place to hide." glenn, good morning. good to see you. >> good morning. great to be here. >> so, glenn, there's so much color in this book. obviously this has been a wild year, 18 months for you. but there's color about how this all came together in your
relationship with edward snowden. i guess he reached out to you and for awhile, you didn't do what he asked you to do. and he was surprised in terms of using this encryption technology that would have allowed the two of you two to communicate. you sat on it for a little while and he was frustrated by that. >> yes. in retrospect it's easy to say glenn greenwald is an idiot. being contacted by one of the most important sources in a long time and sort of blew him off. it sort of underscored this lesson is he knew in retrospect, had good reason it was unsafe for him to communicate with me because of how pervasive this surveillance can be. and for me without him telling me anything about who he was or what he had, i wasn't sufficiently enticed to drop what i was doing and install these sophisticated encryption programs. but it is hard to do journalism in a world in which metadata is collecting the list of everyone
who is talking to everyone else. >> two questions. when did you decide to report on this? and secondly, when did he decide to become a leaker? >> you know, it was over a long process. when i was finally induced to install encryption and we were talking for several weeks online and i was getting a much better sense of who he was and what he thought. and by then he was in hong kong and wanted me to come to hong kong. before i would i asked him to provide me some documents that indicated the seriousness of this disclosures he was willing to make. he sent me two dozen top documents. and they were extraordinary in scope. that made me realize this was a remarkable story. i'd been working on surveillance for many years. he decided to leak -- really it was an evolution where he considered it back in 2008 when he was at the cia. had been deterred from doing it because he thought the election
of president obama would rein in some of these abuses, once he saw that wasn't going to happen, made the decision in 2011 to cross this line and taking preparations to doing it. >> clearly these stories have exposed a an over-zealous situation. but given that, do you think or believe that our government has an obligation, perhaps even a right to maintain some secrets? >> oh, definitely. and not only do i believe that, but edward snowden believes that as well. i think this is one of the cruci critical points i tried to explain. he did not leak or disclose to the public a single document. he could have uploaded all these
documents to the internet. he could have given them to people and say disseminate them far and wide or sold them. he came to journalists working with two of the most regarded news organizations in the world and said i should not be the person making the choices about what should and shouldn't be published. i'm giving this to you. i want you working within these decisions. we have many thousands of documents. only a small percentage have been disclosed that's with his insistence to make sure what should be public is disclosed but what shouldn't be public isn't. >> hey, it's john heilemann here. first of all, congratulations on the book, on the pulitzer, and on your new venture. one of the things that's been most admirable in the way you practiced your craft over the course of the last couple years is your insistence on adversarial people in power. you are now more or less in a
kind of partnership with this source with edward snoiden. how do you think about the balance you have to draw -- how do you go about being a partnership with a source and how do you bring some measure of skepticism and that same adversarial attitude as dwrou do towards the government. >> that's an interesting and fair question. i don't know i would accept partnership, but i understand what you mean. i acknowledge that edward snowden and i and other journalists i've worked share a common belief. that we work toward a common goal which is making people around the world see this. we got to work together very closely. one of the things tough keep in mind is that ultimately the only
thing that determines whether or not you'll make an impact is whether it's accurate or not. if you start doing things to sandpaper some of the facts or cover over the facts or distort them for some kind of an agenda, instantaneously the biggest challenge will be done to your own credibility and efficacy. the first goal even with an adversarial journalist is to make sure that what you're reporting is true and accurate. no matter who that impacts. and i feel like we've done a good job of that. that's certainly been at the top of my agenda. >> quickly before we let you go, do you think edward snowden will ever be able to come back to the united states? >> it's really hard to see how that could happen. i think it's important to the united states to punish people who did what he did to deter future whistle blowers. i think russia will likely extend his asylum. other countries are debating whether he should get it. but i don't see him coming back without being put in prison for 30 or 40 years. >> the book is "no place to hide" by glenn greenwald.
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all right. today president obama and first lady michelle obama are scheduled to attend the dedication ceremony for the september 11th memorial museum. the museum officially opens up to the public on wednesday. here with us now former republican governor of new york george pataki. good to have you on the show this morning. >> so far some great reviews. >> been down there? >> i have been down there many times. >> it's got to be moving for you. tell us about it. >> it's incredibly moving. first of all, you're in memorial plaza. you see the voids and the names around where the towers stood. then you slowly descend all the way do bedrock at ground zero. and you're seeing different relics. and there are just two things that struck me, although so much does, is one you see a crushed fire engine. i think it's ladder 3, where i believe 11 of that ladder company died. when you see that, you just get a sense of the magnitude of the loss of that day and the courage
of how people responded. and then you go around another corner and there's the memorial hall. and that is three stories high. and it has the picture and story of every single person who died. and what we wanted to do was let people who not only were not there on september 11th but who weren't even born on september 11th understand the magnitude of the loss and then tell the individuals' stories. because we don't want those who died to be a number. we want them to be humanized and the memorial does that. >> speaking of humanizing this, i want to ask you this and then the governor. you were down there. you were at ground zero. before the buildings fell, after they fell, and you were down there for a couple weeks afterwards. talk about all these years later looking at this as a museum. what are you feelings when you see that? >> well, i'm going to have to take a day to go down there. because i don't think it's something you do in passing. especially having been there. the two things that come to mind
is when we were hiding in that school and you came out and it looked like the movie "the day after," it was such an unbelievably out of body experience that you couldn't really understand the magnitude of it. and the two images that come to mind are when you went to the area of the city where everybody was looking for someone and you saw all the faces. and that was the first moment a few days after the event that really hit me of the loss, of the parents that would never come home, of the sisters and brothers that would never be found, and of the hope that these people still held. and those little trinkets and jackets and voice mails and all the things that they've so carefully preserved really bring you back to a moment that is still hard to put into perspective. >> mike, the voice mails, we hear they have voice mails, the last minutes of so many of these peoples' lives. >> the museum is a critical component of american life, not new york life. it's important that we not
forget. and this museum, every element of it, the governor's mentioned a few. every step of it within the museum brings you back to that moment in time. a moment in time -- we have a tendency to have instant amnesia. to move on from things. we should not move on from this. we should remember. mika, i can vividly recall a few days after september 11th, 9:30, 10:30 at night on 9th or 10th avenue, people standing there with pictures of loved ones holding them up as people would walk by. governor, other aspects of the museum, you mentioned a few. talk about other aspects of the museum that will have an imprint on anyone who goes to visit. >> well, i think there's the personal side of the individual stories. but there are also incredibly dramatic and i hate to use that word because it's tragic, but relics of like the impact site. where you'll see the twisted steel. you'll see the tridents that
stood at the base of the tower. there are so many things that tell that story in a way that has to be told. >> all right. governor pataki, thank you so much for coming in and helping us tell this story. come back soon. i know you have lots of things to talk about. we'll talk politics next time. up next, why exactly was jill abramson fired from "the new york times"? >> because she's a woman. and governor pataki and i are insulted about what happened at "the times." we want a long-term investigation. don't we? >> it appears the issue of equal pay may have reared its ugly head again. we'll discuss that with a powerhouse round table. "morning joe" will be right back. ♪
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here with us now ceo and founder of carly fiorina who was recently oi pointed at chairman of board of directors. we also have the ceo of operation international. and former ceo of merrill lynch. and managing director of marketing at senture. i'm a tad bit intimidated. perfect timing. power group. we've been talking this morning about the firing of jill abramson. you all know jill? >> yes. >> what do you make -- it's an equal pay issue. at some point we'll hear more abt it. ken auletta has a piece out saying she complained recently about equal pay. whether or not that had anything to do with her firing, we won't
debate here. having said that, have any of you been in a situation where you felt like you were approaching a subject that could perhaps get you in trouble like equal pay? sally just started laughing. when have you not? >> i guess exactly right. all of us have. absolutely. it's an issue that's been an issue. we can debate whether it's 77 cents on a man's dollar or 82 cents or 90 cents. but we all know and recognize this gap continues to exist. as do gender bias. not necessarily overt gender biases. but we all have men and women. >> carly, you're tough. right? >> you have to be. i hope i'm also compassionate. sometimes to get the job done, you need to be tough. >> i think i would go to your company and use your company's resources. because you're tough. that's the kind of double edged sword here. >> there's no question that
women are treated differently, caricatured differently, scrutinized difficultly. if you are in a position of leadership and responsibility, there are times when you must be tough to execute responsibly your position. and when women do it, it's just viewed differently. men are called assertive and leaders. women are called pushy or something with a "b." >> like that was something wrong. i'm trying to think when everyone talked about steve jobs's leadership. he was a little strange, wasn't he? >> he was a genius. >> he was a little mean, wasn't he? oh, wait. but he was a genius. i'm sorry. i'm confused. >> the thing i found really sad, honestly, about the announcement yesterday with jill is that "the new york times" and arthur salzburger said nothing about her. nothing about her contribution. nothing about her three years as
managing editor. nothing. that's pretty cold. and i don't think that others would necessarily have been treated that way. >> i think you might be right. we look at where we all stand right now, because the more of us there are, the less this becomes a problem. >> that's right. >> companies need to actually -- i think the bigger problem if she was fired because of raising the issue about equal pay or that was one of the issues, it's still their fault because the issue shouldn't be there. companies need to do things proactively to prevent this problem, no? >> i think you're raising a great issue. underlying all this, knowing your value, is building career capital. no one would argue having those skills as a woman is tantamount to taking the next step. we just spent international women's day celebrating this topic, doing research in 30 countries. the number one finding that came
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entitled "tiger, meet my sister" and will be inducted into the sportswriter hall of fame. >> did you even know there was a sportswriter hall of fame? >> i did. everybody's talking about it. i love the first part of your book, flaws, big people acting small. one part that caught my attention of be like mike. no thanks. michael jordan. >> this is a collection of my favorite columns since i've been at espn six years. i remember michael jordan's retirement speech. instead of being joyous, he just started killing people. he picked out people in high school and said you started ahead of me and then he started on dean smith, you wouldn't let me be on the cover of "sports illustrated." i was thinking, michael, you won. you won everything.
why are you so mad? >> everything. >> one of the reasons the columns that were originally published and in the book, you have a tendency to go to the edge of the story, not the center part of the story, the edge. story. talk about how finding the edge of the story is really the most important part. >> especially as everybody became a sportswriter, if you got a wifi and a laptop, you're a sportswriter now. so everybody is writing. to find something new is really hard. i remember when sammy sosa was talking about, hey, my numbers are real. i can't wait for drug testing. so i went to him and i said there's a lab ten minutes from here and he grabbed the bat, he started screaming about me and if you've seen him lately, you see what he's so upset about.
he sh rrunshrunk. his head alone went down two sizes. >> i want to one through some people, nicest professional athlete. it says you have steph curry. >> yeah, he just came to africa with us and hung nets over kids. we have this foundation called nothing but nets and we cut malaria deaths to 2,000 there. here's a superstar athlete, came with us, risked disease to do that, didn't have to. just couldn't be nicer. >> biggest jerk and not controversial, you picked barry bonds. >> his head still hasn't shrunk. >> barry bonds would be three of my top-five jerks. >> most fun, charles barclay. >> oh, yeah. >> wouldn't you also say maybe
smartest? >> one time i was with him and a teenage girl comes up and she goes you're not going to remember me. and he goes, yes, i do. you were with your cousin, her name is lindsay, salt lake city and i signed her advivisor. >> and biggest idiot. lance armstrong. >> i said why did you lie to me and make me look for an idiot. >> he said i'm sorry, if i told the truth everything would have unravelled. >> are you going to be like mike on your induction speech? >> yeah, i'm going to rip everybody. >> the cover. buy it for the cover. >> he's sick of the sewer.
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♪ ♪ welcome back to "morning joe." john heilemann and michael steele are with us and editor in chief of buzz feed, ben smith. >> how you doing, ben? >> i'm just curious.
at your place do women get paid more -- >> oh, stop. >> -- than those employees that they supervise or do you have the "new york times" model where actually the supervisor gets paid less than the person that works for the supervisor? >> this feels like a trick question. >> no, it's pretty straight forward. because at the "new york times" jill abramson got paid less than the person who worked under her. >> i wouldn't want to compare that guy to a janitor but -- >> and they gave some pretty -- >> they gave a very sort of miele mouthed response. >> if any kind of politician gave the sort of response that the "new york times" gave, what would have happened to that
politician? >> i suspect the times would have asked for a little more detail. >> it depends on what you think is comparable. >> they are not comparable. >> would you like to give details? >> we are not going to give details but they are not close to being comparable, especially if you look at the pay scale at the "new york times." >> all right. >> let's go through this story, guy, from the top, and let's talk about -- actually, a "new york times" reporter, i have tons of different contacts there did send me something for balance he wanted me to point out. major shake-up at the "new york times." executive editor jill abramson has been dismissed from her responsibilities at the paper. at least that's the way the "new york times" puts it on today's front page. it's interesting, it's in the "washington post" style section by the way. the publisher told the shocked staffers the decision was made because there was, quote, an issue with management in the
newsroom. however, there appears to another issue at pay. he breaks down a different side of the story writing several weeks ago abramson discovered her pay and pension benefits at executive and before that as managing editor were significantly lower than bill keller, who she replaced in both jobs. this may have led to the character that she was pushy. a spokesperson for the times refutes those parts saying jill's total compensation was directly comparable to bill keller's during her dime as executive editor. the pension benefit was frozen in 2009. so, yes, there would be a difference in pension benefit.
bill is a 30-year employee, most of that time spent prior to twooint. he notes the pay gap was closed only after abramson raised concerns about it. he also reports jill abramson clashed with the company's ceo's intrusion of the business side into the newsroom, as well as the hiring of a new managing editor for the paper's web site. abramson was the times first female executive editor, having assumed that role in september of 2011. she will be replaced by dean baquet, the first fm african-american editor of the newspaper. >> and at a previous job she had, her assistant got paid more than she did. same thing happened at "time" magazine, until they got a
female editor to open up the books. >> candaletta's reporting is not going to satisfy a lot of people and i think its own newspaper will be digging and probably is digging at this moment. we talked about the tone and the tenor of jill abramson being abrasive and pushy and aggressive and a lot of things you see in male bosses and you see in newsrooms and in our newsrooms -- >> i don't want to talk about my behavior at this table. >> not your behavior. >> well, actually -- >> those are usually positive descriptions when you talk about a man, someone who is not afraid to ruffle feathers and get in and get their hands dirty. there's a larger picture here. the "new york times" had some reason that they'll have to explain. but you look at these things individually and they just don't look good for the "new york
times." >> it's hard to get inside an organization and understand what's going on and it's easy to jump to conclusions. but it's been a good paper for the last few years. people can't say she didn't have good news business. they cemented their position as the number one news organization as others are running away. that's kind of hard to argue with. >> jill abramson is an awesome journalist and has a history of being a great journalist, was a great reporter. when she was at the wall street journal. there's much to be said for her. it's also the case that simultaneously, which is what you said, the paper has had a good run journalistically. but there's also been a fair amount of internal turmoil. >> but there's been turmoil at
the "times" for the past number of years. >> no one expected this to happen yet. if you look at the cumulative culture over the last few years, it hasn't been -- >> just for balance, i'd like to just point out the "new york times" also said in a message that went out to the staff "we owe jill an enormous debt of gratitude for positioning jill for preserving and embasxtendin journalistic legacy on which to build. >> in two hours v.a. secretary eric shinseki will testify on capitol hill over allegations that veterans were delayed
treatment at veterans hospital. up to 40 veterans may have died while waiting for treatment. the doctor claims they ordered the doctors to keep a list of secret patients to hide delay in care. at least one leading vets group is calling for shinseki's resignation. the president and defense secretary say the retired four-star general has their support. now president obama is assigning one of his top advisers, white house deputy chief of staff john nabors to investigate. >> there's a lot to talk about from a remarkable stand point. the injuries the vets are coming back with are pretty intense, especially the ones we can't
see. is it perfect? absolutely not. does it mean improved? absolutely. we need to work on it, especially when it comes to mental health issues. >> the veterans affairs would agree. the va department is still facing a massive back log of service members waiting for benefits. as pbs reported last year, files were stacked so high at one office in north carolina, they actually posed a safety risk to staff. joining us now from the pentagon, nbc news chief pentagon correspondent jim miklaszews miklaszewski. and yesterday we had john tessler here, who seemed to be
saying nothing, move along, move along. and as he was saying that, the mouths of us here who like senator tester very much were just wide open. we didn't quite get that. what's your reporting show? >> one of the anomalies is once veterans get into the system, it's one of the best medical systems in the united states. the problem, as we see here, is actually getting into the system. and what we're not likely to hear today in the testimony from secretary shinseki is any new details about this latest scandal that 40 may have died while waiting for care. and you can understand that. he'll hide behind the fact that an i.g.'s investigation is still under way. let me give you one quote from shinseki's opening statement that i think is very telling. "i am angered and deeply saddened by any adverse consequences that a veteran might experience while in or as a result of our care."
not consequences a veteran has experienced or even might have experienced. this could be the lawyers at work here to make sure he doesn't overstep any bounds, but you almost get the sense that shinseki believes that maybe there isn't that kind of suffering out there. and in the interview that i did with him, i asked him specifically, do you understand the level of outrage out there? and his answer was, "i think i do." >> mik, you've covered this general, you have great respect for this general. but what a lot of other people on capitol hill are saying is he just doesn't seem to get it on an emotional, gut level. >> you have to wonder if his experiences in vietnam, and i'm not going to try to psycho analyze him, but throughout his career he's been very stoic, by the book, show no, sir emotion. some of these battle hardened generals do sort of take the attitude that you have to put the individual sort of behind you at some point and
concentrate on the larger mission. now, i will say, however, that this problem does appear to be intractable. it is one of the most deeply rooted bureaucracy -- even secretary of defense bob gates says the v.a. is more bureaucratic than the pentagon. now that's saying something. >> wow. >> and let's be clear here because there were a lot of e-mails yesterday and a lot responses that i got from people thinking that i was making this about barack obama, which of course is assanine. i said if the consistent had a problem with the i.r.s. or v.a. and you could call somebody at the i.r.s. and talk to somebody. the v.a. just didn't give a damn. it was the only agency i ever saw, and i had more veterans in
my district than any other district that just didn't give a damn about the people that they serve. and this is going back 20, 25 years. vets in my district always talked about the slow roll. they would just push you off and push you off and push you off. it was the worst bureaucracy then, it is the worst bureaucracy now. there's not a close second. >> let me give you a very quick anecdote. this happened several years ago before general shinseki took over the v.a. i called the press secretary for some reason, it was about 3:00 in the afternoon and i got a receptionist. i said i wanted to talk to the press secretary, i'm with -- not that i'm a big deal but i'm with nbc news, i want to talk to the press secretary. she said, well, there's nobody else here, i'm sorry, you can't. i said excuse me? she said you'd have to talk to so and so first and i said excuse me? and finally the woman defeatedly
said, "we have ladders. we've always this ladders." that is bureaucracy at its worst. >> i want to put that picture back up of north carolina. that is not the picture of a 21st century operation. >> no. >> the v.a. only went to computers in 2013. the i.r.s. did it in 1990. how difficult will it be, no matter who's in charge of the v.a. to unwind this and get it processed in a quicker way. >> it's going to be a process. why are we're still talking about that this is the next step we have to do? we been talking about the lack of care and progress there for a very long time. every time we talk about this issue, it's, well, we need to have a study or do the next
thing. it's high time the v.a. take this seriously. if we're going to ask people to give their lives for this country, we have to be willing to take care of them in the part of life where they need it the most. this essential. i was shocked by senator tester's comments to be honest with you. there's nothing to excuse here. there's no reason to defend the v.a. except to say they have to get their stuff in gear and get it in gear now. >> couldn't agree more. what do you propose? what can we do today to make the system more efficient? >> i think the first thing is let's cut through the excuses and bureaucracy and say we have a one-year back log, how are we going to fix that? if it's somebody that's waiting for treatment that doesn't necessarily be the v.a. how about we give them a voucher to go to their local clinic to take care of them while they're waiting. you have a lot of folks with mental health systems. i've introduced a bill to make that vouchering system a little
easier. something like that to get people taken care of in the immediate term. in the long term, we have to look at this giant bureaucracy we have and why is it so inefficient? it's like the dmv. >> i was talking about the problem of the 1990s. we've been fighting wars over the past decade. americans are still dying and suffering in afghanistan this morning as we're on this show. that makes a bad situation and makes it so much worse. i'm a republican, you're a republican, small government republican here. you look at paul ryan's budget, though, i mean, the way he was narrowing the deficit was actually going after military health care benefits. if we want to fix this, it's going to take a big investment, especially after a decade of war. >> joe, you're so right about that. and it really hits the nail on the head with respect to
priorities. what are the priorities of not just this administration but any administration when it comes to our vets. and you look at a $67 billion budget, which is the budget for the v.a., this is not about money. this is about a process, this is about priorities, this is about focusing on, as willie said and the congressman said, are veterans are served. and given that due to technology more and more vets survive wounds and they're coming back home. you're saying we don't have a system at home to deal with what's happening on the battlefield. that is not acceptable. i think this is about priorities. our budget should reflect that priority. you can have your cake and eat it, too, on other things. but this should be a national priority. you're looking at stacks of files that can't get computerized in 2014. it's crazy. so i really think that, you know, shinseki and others really
have to begin to drill down and be less emotional about this and focus on the process and fixing it for the vets. >> jim miklaszewski, it's john heilemann here. how much jeopardy is shinseki's job actually in right now? >> it depends on who you talk to. i can tell you sort of the underground buzz of those who work with the v.a., around the v.a. is that the president doesn't want shinseki to leave. shinseki with his military record and the like is sort of at this point taking the heat off the administration. and the last thing they want him to do is leave at this point in his administration when the v.a. is under such heavy fire. >> congressman, really quickly, do most of the members that you work with want shinseki gone? >> i think we're at that point. i'm not one of these members
that calls for resignations at knee-jerk level, but i say he has a very, very, very limited window now. i don't think he survives this to be honest with you. i think at the end of the day he resigns. somebody else has to come in. at the end of the day the buck stops with him and the president and the president has to have a man there -- a man or woman there that he can trust to solve this problem. >> congressman adam kinslinger, thank you so much. >> still ahead, wall street is disappointed with walmart's latest earning reports. we'll tell you what the company is blaming its lack luster quarter on. up next, a look at the game changing moment that opened the door to diplomacy with iran. ann curry joins us next. ♪ ♪
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campaign speech. and his youtube videos mirrored obama's, even a bit more highly produced. ♪ ♪ >> that was a clip from nbcnews.com's new digital documentary twitter diplomacy, the making of a nuclear deal. here with us now national and international correspondent ann curry, along with iranian-american journalist iman -- >> there are more -- >> at this moment as they try to create a deal was educated at san francisco state and the
university of denver. he has spent so much time in the united states that wendy sherman, the principal negotiator, says sometimes she forgets he's an iranian because he so connected and understands the american culture. >> so talk about how social media helped bring us closer to this deal. >> what happened is right off the bat, and you really brought this to our attention, the foreign minister tweeted "happy rosh hashana to the jewish people." the former president, ahmadinejad, had caused a great deal of concern about his issues of the holocaust, whether it was really, the state israel. you have the irani foreign minister tweeting "happy rosh hashana." and that set a new stage. >> and when -- it was effective,
but not very effective in terms of people coming out to vote ing. as soon as he took office, he and his foreign minister started tweeting like crazy and started this trend of speaking to the world. so it was a signal that iran is a changed -- or if not changed, it's a different place. >> how much of this is style, how much of this is substance? it seems sense the takeover in 1979, especially go back to 1986, we have been looking for those iranian moderates taking over bibles and birthday cakes shaped as keys and embarrassing ourselves time and time -- >> moderates have always existed. >> who's in control right now? that's a question we asked dr. brzezinski.
>> people can argue about the dysfunction in the u.s. system of government but the system of government in iran is such that you have the supreme leader, who is really in charge of the nuclear program and then the president and then you have -- >> parliament. >> parliament. but you have the very, very powerful and sometimes scary revolutionary guard. as a result of this, there is such a dysfunction. i would call it a straight out dysfunction in the government. who's in charge? it's actually a hydra, which makes it difficult to understand and covering this. >> it's hard to get good reporting on anything that goes on in iran and secondly, diplomacy in deals like this are hard to penetrate. up guys got a lot of cooperation. how did you get so much inside material in this documentary? >> iman has been covering this story for many, many years.
he has terrific contacts inside. but first the rouhani government granted us this interview with him way back in september and he said he was not opposed to sitting down with president obama, for the first time in 30 years after the seizing of the embassy. >> you wrote a book saying the ministry invited you not to stay. but now they're pulling you back in, they keep pulling you back in. >> every time you think you're out, right? >> exactly. >> i think it really was -- i'm not going to take too much credit for this because i think it really was this new administration after eight years of ahmadinejad saying you guys got the wrong impression about iran. yes, we have hardliners and extremists and we have people opposed to this, that and the other. if you look at the clip up just ran of all those young people singing the words to the campaign, let's remember in the
isl islamic republic, women are not supposed to be singing. so there's a lot of signals they wanted to send. >> a lot has changed and a lot has not changed. >> talk about how it's a country divided. we saw in 2009 when you saw the protests, it's red state iran, blue stay iran. mika and i sat through several -- i think you were at a couple of them through the years, sat through several off-the-record q & as and we actually had a wonderful time and met so many wonderful people in the iranian government. and then -- they would say we want to do this and we want to do that and obviously one of the greatest civilizations on earth and then mika and i would walk away and saying, well, who knows, maybe. i say this as a pro-israel guy, maybe there will be some sanity
and then the next day ahmadinejad would say something and you'd be like, seriously, i'm not going to waste my time next year. it's a schizophrenic country. >> you're absolutely right and many inside the government were really embarrassed by what ahmadinejad said. >> has he ever answered a question? >> i think when i asked him about nada and how he felt as a father to have watched that videotape that much young woman being killed. and right on videotape out of one of though protests and there was a moment of honesty there. but it was very difficult for him to answer a direct question. and what's different is rouhani speaks english very well. >> i think that's a very important point. it not just that they speak english but it's also they understand the culture. they do understand american
concerns i think better than someone like ahmadinejad or his administration. >> who was actually a lot of people believe there in 1979 during the student takeover. so i have to ask if you have the supreme ruler, supreme leader. you have rouhani, you have the revolutionary guard, where do they all meet? where do they come together? you say the supreme leader has control of nuclear weapons. how do we know that? well, not control weapons, nuclear programs. and does the revolutionary guard -- >> have a say in it? they absolutely have a say in it. it's equivalent to our national security council. so, yeah, they all talk and there's a little bit of give and
take. when there's a more reform-minded president, they give a little leeway to test the waters but the leader is still very suspicious of america. right now rouhani is in his honeymoon period so he has the ability to make the deal. but right now they're focusing on the nuclear issue, they're talking in vienna and i think there's a real deal. >> if they don't get it done, there's a real sense it won't get done. >> and this looks amazing. >> it really does.
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afghanistan. >> what's that mean? >> it's 60 word written into law, drafted after 9/11 that has been stretched and stretched since then. it's the law although it doesn't mention libya and somalia, it the law in which navy seals turn up in one country or another. >> is he suggesting he wants to stay in afghanistan longer? >> this is about potentially limiting the president's authorization to send navy seals wherever in the world he feels like, which is what the authorization of military force, drone strikes in yemen. >> any reason he revealed this to buzz feed? >> this is been bubbling up, people saying we didn't authorize drone strikes in yemen. the white house lawyers have over the years interpreted these 60 words to say they can strike any one anywherer sen essential. there's a secret list of groups
they have interpreted. congress is considering taking quite a bit of power away from the white house. >> and you also broke that he's looking at a possible constitution amendment. >> you'll be shocked to know harry reid, not a fan of the koch brothers, is pushing a constitutional amendment to limit that they and the people on the left as well, the sort of unregulated, unlimited outside spending they do. a constitutional amendment is as much an excuse to yell about people as it is to get anything done. >> we want to turn to "business before the bell" now. sarah eisen, how do the numbers look? >> they look pretty solid. the fewest amount of americans filed unemployment claims last week all the way back to 2007, the number dropping below 300,000. that is certainly progress, i would say, on the job front. it follows a trend of fewer
firings and fewer americans having to file for benefits and consumer inflation rising and it's a positive sign because as the economy heals and it improves, you do want to see these prices move up a little. it is a sign -- >> of confidence. >> yeah, that we're getting past the frigid weather slump. and speaking of the cold weather, that's hit walmart. that's the big earnings mover of the day today, fifth consecutive quarter of decline for u.s. sales. they did blame it a lot on the harsh winter weather but their forecast for the current quarter was also pretty disappointing. traffic is down at these major retailers so walmart is trying to beef up its e-commerce business. >> sara eisen, thank you so
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>> the new issue of "time" magazine. >> it is ringing the bell of the issue of rape on campus. just reading it right now, you really get a sense of how, first of all, how big this issue is. >> it's a big issue. and it's one where i think we're at an inflexion point. washington is basically saying to american universities either you take this more seriously and you quit treating this as an internal matter or you're not only putting your students at risk, you're putting your
institutions at risk. until now the trend has been to treat this as an internal matter. washington is trying to reverse the incentives, saying if you don't take real steps to address this on your campus, you're going to risk losiing funding under title ix. >> we were on the look for girls and they were easy prey. they wouldn't know anything about our techniques. the man goes on to explain those techniques. we'd invite them to the party, get them drinking right away. we'd have kegs of beer but we also had some kind of punch, our own home brew. we'd make it with a real sweet juice and just pour in all kinds of alcohol. the man goes on to describe
removing the woman's clothing. she tries pushing him off and he pushes her back and down and pushes her arms across her chest child having intercourse. >> even though we heard the statistics of one in five college girls being the victim of some sort of sexual assault, of that found is a small group of men committing serial rapes. they are repeat offenders who are in some cases guilty of raping four, five, six girls. so, again, we know what works, that much more transparent reporting, much more bystander intervention of teaching all kid, men and women, that when you see something that could turn into a dangerous situation, you intervene in teaching kids from the first week of freshman
year about how to not be passive witnesses to what one college describes as the rape culture on campus. that's how serious it is. >> and there's a legitimate question raised in the controversy is the universities in how they deal with this are not particularly well equipped to deal with it. there's the prevention thing and then there's what you do when these occur. you're essentially having a trial and yet not in the court of law. so you have a rather difficult issues around justice. >> and what should the standard of evidence be. it should be exactly the same as it would be to put someone in jim or should the standard for throwing someone off campus be a different one? if i were the father or mother of a boy in college, i would be worried about their rights. and obviously as a mother of a girl in college, i'm worried about her safety. but it's a conversation that has to be entered into way more
transpare transpare transparently. >> but it also has to do around binge drinking. you can get a girl completely drunk and bring her into a room and -- >> and the phrase was changed to include the phrase "without the consent of the victim." if a woman is incapacitated, that also counts as rape. >> i'm not even in college yet with my kids, in my town it's out of control. i can't even imagine on a college campus. >> on a vast majority of places, alcohol -- >> you have to go to bigger institutions. you talk about the serial offenders, you also can have fraternities where the serial
offenders pour the alcohol into the punch and, you know, administrations need to come in and shut fraternities down, kick them off campuses, shut sororities down, kick them off campus and have a zero tolerance policy. >> in one survey 77% of u.s. colleges and universities reported no rapes that year on their campuses. >> that's ridiculous. >> one way they were able to say that is if it didn't occur on campus, then it didn't count. if it occurred off campus, it didn't count in the statistics. >> one of the things that's been noticeable in my adult lifetime as many campuses have gotten much stricter on the question of drinking and drug use and almost as the policy has gotten stricter, the problem has gotten more severe in an inverse relationship than what you would have thought. >> i think that's right.
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memorial and museum. of course, 10:00 dedication. it's been a long, long wait. but it looks like they've done a remarkable job. >> take a day and go down there. it does help you to remember and put it into perspective, if that's possible. >> john, what did you learn today? >> i learned the new york city story with jill abramson is fascinating and it has a lot more to get unravelled before we know actually what is has happened. >> and the "new york times," it's going to present interesting challenges to the "new york times" as a news organization. this is one of the top stories in america. they're going to have to cover it and figure out what the salaries were. >> absolutely. hard to do but the times has the resources if they're honest and candid. >> i suspect there are a lot of women who work at the "new york times" who are going to want to get to the bottom of this. >> we're going to talk about this and other issues at the
forum tomorrow in downtown hartford. >> lovely downtown hartford. >> chuck todd is straight ahead with "the daily rundown." as always, we'd like to thank you for your patience. >> ah, the washington hot seat. just an hour from now, secretary eric shinseki sits down for tough senate questions as the veterans affairs scandal grows and the white house gets hands on. and also the official dedication of the september 11th memorial in museum in lower manhattan. we'll have full coverage of the president's arrival there and the full program throughout the morning. >> plus, has the presidential primary debate process
♪ the dutch people today paid tribute to their own. >> six days of confusion and indignity ended at last. >> a solemn procession across the dutch countryside. >> the sight of 40 hearses tell one painful fraction of this story. but the dignified science of those who stood and watched tells another. >> i couldn't say good-bye. they'll be in my heart forever.
>> two more ukrainian fighter jets were shot down. >> many wondered if whoever shot down the malaysian plane would lay low. today they got their answer. >> this airport is open. there's no reason whatsoever for the mistake in faa decision. >> asian authorities have now lifted their ban on the flights to tel aviv. >> i think security is overreacting. >> i feel very secure. >> one plane did land. secretary of state john kerry's jet. >> through the dawn of a 16th day, the shelling shows no sign of ending. >> and hamas sees no ceasefire unless the israeli blockade is lifted. >> we need to find a way forward, and it's not violence. >> good morning. it is a busy thursday, july 24th.
welcome to "morning joe." with us on set we have msnbc contributor mike barnicle, senior political editor and white house correspondent for "the huffington post" sam stein. john heilemann and thomas roberts. you're here and not running in. >> i know. thank you for that. >> we gave you some time. also with us from washington, senior fellow and former deputy of secretary defense ian brzezinski. i know him. so much news to get to. we'll begin with a situation in the middle east. late last night the faa lifted a ban on american flights into tel aviv. critics of the administration accuse president obama and the faa of enforcing the ban as an economic boycott. but former new york mayor michael bloomberg who flew in a show of solidarity to israel was
outraged when asked if there were ulterior motives. >> if you're not safe here, i don't know where you feel safe. i think the administration is reacting in political reaction. >> political reasons for that? >> of course. why would you think that? why would you accuse your agencies -- by asking the question you're implying that our government does things for political reasons. maybe every once in awhile they do, but it's your job to prove it. i personally take it as an offense. >> okay. let's try and understand what's going on here. i believe the former mayor who you know i love went there critical of the restrictions. correct? are we all in agreement of that? some fear with benjamin netanyahu and is critical of the restrictions. so what's with being so
difficult on the questions? why go? >> well, i think he was making a straightforward point. >> what's his point? >> he thinks that the restrictions are mistaken but not driven by a political motive by the administration or faa to try to punish israel for what it's doing. >> but why'd you laugh when you watched that? >> i didn't laugh. it's always interesting to see two great men in a state of haggling on television. >> what's the haggling over, sam? >> i have no idea. i think they were in agreement there. >> what happened? >> it was a weird interview. i don't know what to say. >> he had a long flight. didn't feel safe. >> it's an 11-hour flight. >> i think he accused wolf to drum up a controversy when he's asking a question to a politician who has direct ties to washington, d.c. >> what's this about? >> exactly. and then the blames wolf for asking him a question. i saw that live yesterday. i was amazed.
>> john kerry claims headway is being made in a ceasefire. but leaders are casting doubt on a potential breakthrough. one member says it will take at least 15 days to neutrali izize tunnels in the country. until then the bloodshed will continue. 724 palestinians dead. 29 since midnight alone. this morning a school in gaza was hit by incoming israeli fire. a boy lo-- man lost his sons, mother, sister in a fire over the weekend. >> i found my mother was thrown in the wreckage of the flat. and i found the leg of my son coming out of the wreckage.
so i realized at this moment that nobody's going to survive from inside. >> the all-out assault on both side continues so much so that an astronaut tweeted this photo taken from the international space station of explosions and rocket fire. let's go now to gaza. ayman mohyeldin is standing by. we saw part of our interview with that grieving father and husband. bring us to the latest so far today. >> reporter: good morning. as it has been, every morning you wake up and you get a sense of what happens overnight. most of the time it's some disturbing news as results of the overnight air strikes. this morning has been no different. today's concentration was in the southern part of gaza. we are getting preliminary reports from eyewitnesses and residents in the area in the southern part of gaza that overnight at least several
israeli shells landed in a neighborhood killing up to 40 people. again, we're still getting the initial reports. according to eyewitnesses on the ground, palestinian eyewitnesses on the ground. overnight there was intense shelling. a group of families huddled together to try to make their way out of that scene of where the shelling was taking place. according to some of those who survived, they, too, were under attack. we don't know what the motivations were or whether or not there was gunfire being returned back. but horrific descriptions we're getting about what may have happened overnight. the death toll you mentioned now well above 700 on the palestinian side and at least 35 israelis killed. the humanitarian situation continues to worsen. i know it sounds like we're saying it over and over again. but the u.n. is making an appeal for the international community. today the spokesperson frp one of the agencies here said, quote, there is no place safe left for any civilians in gaza.
it gives you a sense of the desperation that even the u.n. is working under as one of their own facilities today came under attack by israeli fire. mika? >> all right, ayman, thank you so much. we'll have guests on both sides of this conflict out here. moving on now, the eu will be debating sanctions against russia today amid fresh concerns about how much that country's aiding pro-russian separatists in eastern ukraine. the rebels say this video which nbc news could not verify shows the wreckage of the ukrainian fighter jet. it's one of two taken out near where flight 17 went down one week ago. the two war planes were shot down from russian territory. a leader of the rebels now says they had possession of the buk
missile system that was used to take down flight 17. the crisis led to a brawl in ukraine's parliament. lawmakers fought in the aisle over a presidential decree to call up more reserves to defend the border against russian troops. the majority of the lawmakers approved the measure. let's stop right here. want to get to ian. first of all, what do you make of the reaction in ukraine? the downing of the jet liners? then i want to back up to the big picture in what we're waiting to see from europe, specifically germany. ian? >> well, mika, good morning. it's been six months since russia invaded ukraine ab annexed crimea, and got this insurgency in ukraine. it's been seven days since the strikedown of mh-17. the response has been nothing
but stern rhetoric and limited action. that's not going to change putin's copulous. we need to see if they will impose sanctions that will really hurt the russian economy. i don't think they're ready to do that. >> what will hold them back at this point and what exactly -- everybody says we have to wait for germany. what exactly are we expecting? >> the problem with u.s. policy is it's been allowed to be shaped and limited by the lowest common denominator in europe. that's been the hesitancy of the germans and the french to impose for sanctions. that is not a recipe for success. leading from behind is not going to lead the europeans to a more forceful, more firm, more resolved posture.
>> sam stein? >> the problem right here is can you have a united sanction? doe you go guard or try to provide all at once. the key on that yesterday was this fighting between france and england over who is the one with respect to russia. france coming back saying russian oligarchs are resting in london. when you don't have a united european front, it puts that pressure on putin to stop influencing what's happening there. and i think the question remains. how do you get europe to act in one cohesive, comprehensive step? >> ian, what would tougher measures include in your estimation? >> i think we have to move from -- we have to move beyond parking sanctions which impose asset freezes, financial
restrictions, travel bans on individuals and entities to more systemic sanctions that really attack the russian economy on a sectoral basis. it should be the energy sector and the financial sector. similar to what we did in iran. we were able to create a context that made it easier for the europeans to fall behind and support us. this should be the approach the administration takes. >> all right. i want to show now some of the most poignant pictures you'll see so far in this story. it was a day of national mourning in the netherlands as the first bodies of the victims arrived. the country's king and queen joined the mourners as 40 coffins were taken to 40 different hearses. two more planes with victims are expected to arrive later today. the ceremony also involved -- if you'll call it that -- the hearse driving through the streets and just thousands and thousands of people standing to show their respect. >> it was very moving, actually.
the hour and a half drive from the airport to the mortuary where the remains are received. such a small country as you indicated. thousands upon thousands of people lining the highways and overpasses. it was quite a moving scene. >> and after seeing these pictures, you wonder if the netherlands are perhaps the leaders in europe on the levels of sort of dignity in the face of this and moral high ground. i'll show you a poll that will back that up at this point because they are invested in russia and they are saying so what, crack down. let's bring in a dutch-american journal u.s. who has been following the story in the netherlands. first of all, your response, and your thoughts as the victims are being brought home. >> we are a very small country. holland is a small country. it's true. we're basically 16 million people. twice the siess of new york
city. in holland everybody knows somebody who knows somebody who was on the plane. everybody on those overpass on the way of the hearses is looking at somebody that they know, somebody they may know or may have known through somebody else. that brings together a small country. and then there is this sort of sign or this signal of dignity after those five, six days of undignified behavior in eastern ukraine. holland was set up perfectly to show the world we can do this different. we can actually do it in a dignified way. >> you have companies like shell, the netherlands' largest corporation. dutch pension funds are also heavily invested in the company's stock. and yet in the largest dutch newspaper you have this poll that shows a majority support new sanctions. 78% of dutch are in favor of
sanctions even if it harms their economy. it's interesting we can get that from a country who has been so deeply impacted in every way and would be deeply impacted by sanctions. are there questions about why it's taking so long for others to follow suit? >> yes, there are questions. but we were slow ourselves. we're very small. we're not used to talks -- like america. when america talks in a tragedy like this, things happen, the world moves. when holland talks, nobody really listens for the first few day. we need the american president to do it for us or the european union. and that's hard. you need all the companies to line up for you to express the outrage. being small is a disadvantage in this tragedy. and we also don't have the american senators who directly say on tv we need to do military action, we need to secure the perimeter, secure the crash site. we, the dutch, they don't do that. there's none of that on television or in the national debate.
so it took time. and now finally, yes, we are heavily invested in russia. i think after china and germany, we're the biggest trade partner with russia. if we put ourselves on the line and beef up the sanctions that would happen today, we would get hit. and the people still want it, because they're mad. they're angry. and they want to show the world. but if we can't, i don't know. >> let me turn the question around. if there are not severe sanctions, if for some reason russia passes through this without being impacted greatly, vladimir putin personally, what do you suggest is next? >> well, i think what will happen is what's happened in the past. in the past our responses have been tactical sanctions. and russia's response has been to stoke up further the insurgents to arm them. as we saw providing them increasingly sophisticated weapons including the buk
missile that shot down mh-17. if the response continues to be weak, we should expect putin to continue and perhaps go against other countries in the space of the former soviet union. >> thomas? >> ian, as we look at what's taking place with the european union and as mikhail points out there, holland's influence on the eu. when the lesser is not listened to there, what is the point of the muscle, the collective point of the eu if they cannot do something to sanction russia to get its attention? >> it would be left lying to waste, so to speak. i'm amazed at the disproportion in this situation. the eu is an integrated global
economy. it gets 78% of its imported gas from russia. russia is a $2 trillion gas station with only one customer. the eu. so there's a lot of leverage the eu has. if there was an economic showdown, yes the eu would have a price to pay. it would be painful, but the eu's been on three years of growth. small growth, but positive growth. russia is a teetering economy. if there was an economic showdown built around severe sanctions by the west, it would be a body blow to the russian economy. >> all right. we're going to get to other news and return to this. there is renewed scrutiny this morning over lethal injections after what opponents of the death penalty are calling another botched execution. this one happened in arizona where it took joseph wood nearly two hours to die. witnesses say it was a troubling scene as the convicted murderer repeatedly gasped and snorted. >> to watch a man lay there for an hour and 40 minutes gulping
air, i can lighten it to if you catch a fish and throw it on the shore. >> he was clearly struggling for breath. and that's atypical. usually an execution takes 10, 11 minutes and you see virtually nothing. >> wood's attorney filed for a stay which the supreme court denied after he was pronounced dead. it was the first time arizona used the drug, but three other states encountered problems in the past. woed was convicted in 1991 of killing his ex-girlfriend debbie deets and her father gene at the family's body shop. it's interesting to get this perspective which makes sense, the family says it's wrong to focus on how he died instead of the crimes he committed. >> everybody b here from what i heard said it was excruciating.
you don't know what excruciating is. what's excruciating is seeing your dad lying there in a pool of blood, seeing your sister lying there in a pool of blood. this man deserved it. and i shouldn't really call him a man. he deserved everything he had coming to him. >> according to the arizona department of corrections, medical professionals in charge confirm eed wood was comatose through the procedure and never in pain or distress. republican governor jan brewer says -- >> how would they know? >> i know. then the question is after you hear the victims' relatives speak is the question she posed. brewer said wood died in a lawful matter but is concerned about how long it lasted and will order a full investigation. sam stein? >> listen, i sympathize with the victims' family. >> i do too. >> i don't need to say this, but just because we're questioning the execution of this man doesn't mean we sympathize with
this man. he's a monster, he was sentenced to die. but this is the second or third really botched execution in recent memory. in which we've had had to wonder whether we are actually doing this properly. and there's a shroud of secrecy of lethal drugs in the bodies. because the courts won't let people say who manufactures the drugs. but if we're going to legally kill people, if that's going to be our law, we need to figure out how to do this in a more humane practice. we are, i think, the fifth most executions behind china, iran, iraq, and saudi arabia. that's quite a list to be on. >> one of the most interesting things about the death penalty is this series of controversy around how it is carried out were preceded by controversies
of wrongful convictions. we've had 20 years of successive blows to the credibility of capital punishment. wherever you think about it, clearly there are people who have been put to death wrongly. and people worry about the way we put people to death is wrong. we're getting to the point we may have a debate that is a debate that's been in the offing for a long time about whether there is still a national consensus behind the practice in general and the principle behind it. >> the estimate for the wrongful deaths, the most recent strieste is 1 in every 12 people are innocent. >> someone who had 20 years to prove his innocence. he was on death row. again, as we look at -- >> yes, correct. >> as we look at the criticalness of what it means to put people legally to death and humanely, obviously there is something going wrong. that this is not the way it's supposed to happen effectively.
it's not working. seeing the family members talk about what it means to them, what they had to endure does help put it in perspective as this is evaluated. >> the problem with the national debate over the death penalty is it's an internal problem. it becomes so highly emotional that you lose any threat of common sense. the death penalty for my money is a deterrent only to the person being executed. the vast majority of homicides are committed in an instant, in a rage, an emotional rage among lovers or partners or strangers, whatever. deterrence plays no factor in that. the ultimate deterrent if we were to choose to use it is the certainty of life in prison. no parole. the certainty of life in hell of prison. >> that would do it. still ahead on "morning joe," distinguished for extraordinary acts of heroism,
the most recent medal of honor recipient sergeant ryan pitts joins us. plus we'll get to the bottom of this brooklyn bridge flag mystery. heilemann? >> i have no comments on my whereabouts. >> let's just say the news on this is not better. it's ira means for the future of facebook. and how police were able to bring down a carjacking suspect. but first bill kairns with a check on the forecast. bill? >> good morning to you, mika. we finally had a hot summer day across much of the country yesterday. great lakes, you're the exception, of course. we had big thunderstorms rolling through the northeast last night. now those have pushed off the coast and dissipated. but down in virginia, from d.c. southwards, we saw rain to greet you this morning. it's crossing i-95 as we speak. just some showers this morning. improving this afternoon.
in virginia and north carolina we'll keep the storms right through the day. here's your forecast for today. going to be a beautiful day especially in the afternoon after we get rid of the clouds. from philadelphia northwards, just an enjoyable day. it was a very hot day. now, just because the great lakes is chilly, we've been very hot in the west. it was 103 in salt lake city yesterday. 97 in dallas yesterday. and today the heat continues to bake. we should be 100 in dallas. here's what's interesting. we're stuck in this weather pattern, and even as we go into next week, another polar invasion. can you believe it? this is two in the month alone. but next week we're looking at minus 10 to minus 20 degree temperatures compared to average in the great lakes and ohio valley. they're complaining they haven't had a summer from chicago to detroit. it doesn't look like it'll return any time soon.
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as thought to relieve back pain. found that difference between the recovery it took that took acetaminophen and a placebo. >> i could have told you that about back pain. >> nice. u.s. today, evauthorities say t suspects in stub hub would use stored credit card information to rack up ticket orders which they would later resell for a profit. the thieves are accused of stealing more than $1.6 million worth of tickets, john heilemann. was that you? >> i'm his stubhub. >> mike is my stubhub. >> go ahead, thomas. >> "wall street journal" is now reporting that facebook is trying to make it easier for you
to find content on the web without leaving its website or app. they're working on new ways to incorporate all sorts of content searches. it was last week that facebook celebrated shakira's 100 millionth like. that's a first for the company. the page has become the page of facebook where fans can watch her music, buy her music, and get updates about future appearances. >> the daily mail, chances are you may be standing next to a millionaire in new york. one out of every 25 new yorkers make seven figures. new york city ranks fourth on the worldwide list behind monaco, zurich, and geneva. >> and they say we're out of touch with the real people. >> the new york daily news is reporting rich or not that a study out suggests new yorkers have the blues. >> i think they do.
>> new york city is the unhappiest town in the u.s. according to a study. researchers asked residents how satisfied they are in their lives and factored in race, marital status. the unhappiest are pittsburgh, louisville, milwaukee, and detroit. >> i don't get it. >> detroit maybe. they're shutting people's water off in detroit. >> unbelievable. >> milwaukee is full of happy people. >> absolutely. >> people love their brewers. >> why are people unhappy in new york, you think? >> i found out i'm unhappy i'm walking next to millionaires. >> that might be one of them. >> the happiest places include richmond, norfolk, virginia -- >> no. >> okay. this study is just bogus. >> stop it. >> i have lived in several of those places. very happy people.
>> people are happy in washington because they're so self-aware. >> that could be. >> they are clueless. >> they have no idea that they're wreaking havoc on our country. >> they know it's a misery pit. >> i don't think they do. >> it's not a happy place. >> i live there. >> yes. and maybe the reason people are so unhappy is stanwood is there. >> let's move to the los angeles times. a family was asked to get off a southwest flight after tweeting a negative review of the airline's service. the father says he sent his tweet after he experienced poor service from a southwest employee at their their departing gate. they were later told to delete the tweet in order to board. after the employee mentioned she felt, quote, threatened for her
safety. we weren't there. shush. southwest says -- yeah, what was the tweet? i think we know. it wasn't -- they made him delete it but i think it was something about the rudest -- you know -- >> how big was his twitter account? some random dude, nine followers, take down that tweet. >> this doesn't make sense. >> makes me want to follow him now. >> it kind of proved the guy's point. >> exactly. >> that's something you would do. >> people who run those twitter accounts at the airlines are crotchety sometimes. >> it's hard. >> let's take you to the denver post where a tv news helicopter got the last moments o after dramatic run. a man broke into a house with a gun crashing through the garage in the stolen suv. police had been looking for the guy in connection with a string.
the suspect makes his way towards a busy interstate where after being stuck in a ditch he attempts to steal another vehicle. police catch up to him. and with help of bystanders, he is taken into custody. but he's armed there. running down the street with the gun. but the cop takes him down. >> that's when you would use that choke hold. >> there you go. >> i don't know why you like that so much. >> i like the guy in the shorts coming to help out. >> because the cop wins. >> okay, fine. the whole thing's sad. okay. joining us now with the politico playbook, the ceo of politico jim vandehei. jim, we're starting this morning politico with the clinton wars. really? now, why? what's going on? in the d.c. suburbs? what's going on? >> this is a house race to watch. barbara comstock who anybody from the old clinton days knows. she was the lead investigator.
and now she's running for a seat. i think she's on the odds on favorite to win in virginia. it's sort of a rehash of the '90s wars. she's got all the ken starr figures from the '90s supporting her. running against her you have terry mcauliffe who is involved with the clintons in the '90s. paul begala in this piece trashing her. she's saying shes going to come back to washington and be a reprisal of what we saw in the 1990s. and it's one of the closer races. she's an interesting person, a workaholic, and been a thorn in the clintons' side. >> is this northern virginia, jim? >> yeah. frank wolf's district not far from d.c. relatively a swing district. it's one that mitt romney won. it's one republicans should win, but it's close enough if you
have terry mcauliffe and others pouring money into it, given her name it makes it one of the few competitive house races. >> jim vandehei, thank you very much. coming up, round two of the tony dungy explanation tour. the former coach's message to michael sam next in "morning joe" sports. he doesn't stop. ♪ you make a great team.
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♪ welcome back, everybody. here we go. time for sports. trying to explain away his comments tony dungy told dan patrick his words would not have been a big deal if they were about jonathan martin who left the organization after being bullied by a teammate. >> if we had the same quote or comment, nobody's going to play those quotes two months or three months later and try to say that, you know, there's any more to it than what was actually said. >> dungy also went on in that interview with a message specifically for michael sam. >> i would want to wish him the best and let him know, you know,
i have no bitterness or animosity towards him even though i don't agree with his lifestyle. i love him. and i wish him the best and i'd love to say that to him. >> you know, couldn't he just have left out that one comment? couldn't he? why you got to? why did he have to go there? feels the need. sorry. am i wrong? am i out of place here? >> he's always been straightforward about his beliefs. >> that's fine, but we're trying to -- i think we're trying to make amends right now. >> he clearly doesn't stop talking. >> just i love him and i wish him the best would be really nice. right? probably the right thing to do opposed to what he did which was the wrong thing to do which was to just get another dig in there on his opinions that he should keep to himself. anyhow. >> okay. >> i'm going to clean my purse out now. >> okay. let's switch gears. to baseball in atlanta.
one out and a man on third. >> full count. and right to the shortstop on contact. hayward headed home. he avoided a tag and safe. >> would get a great move there making it back to third thanks to slick base running. >> talk about lazy defense. look at that. what a lazy tag. >> like the matrix. >> they can't conduct a rundown. >> guys never played pickle? come on. >> scary moment in seattle between the mets and mariners. takes a fastball to the helmet. that hit him in the forehead. he laid on the ground for several seconds before walking off the field under his own power. this is the second game in a row he's been hit by a pitch. he stayed in after getti inting plunked on the hand the night
before. a strange game to show you between the nationals and rockies where one member of each team refused to leave the field. >> there's one player from each team not about to leave the field. >> we've got a standoff going between barnes and barrett. providing sun screen. the game's about to start, so barrett put a helmet on. >> and look, barnes wants to do rock paper scissors to see who leaves the field first. >> there's no way they can let him stand there. barnes is on the field. >> denard span steps out, jordan baker just whistled at brandon barnes and told him to get off the field. >> this is going to be everywhere on every highlight reel. and barrett wins. >> i don't know what he won there. the nats lose the game 6-4. not sure what all that was for. coming up next, mika's must
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>> taxpayer dollars are paying for the trip out west. there is a right to have some sort of coverage here. i agree with the press. they're clamping down way too much on things like this. >> some might argue why. >> not asking to sit in the room but give us a sampling of what they're doing with their time. >> at least the garage or something. >> do we know what portions are paid by the democratic national committee? >> you're right. a portion is paid by the dnc. they say, you know, they siphon off that stuff. but, you know, these are divvied up between actually presidential events, these trips. the speeches that he gives and the fund raisers. and so just to get out west there is a portion of taxpayer money that goes to it. but even without that i think the press is entitled to know who has the president's ear. and, you know, getting a little bit of access from the white house on that front is an
important thing and shouldn't be stifled. >> here's some opinions on the president's fund raising. this is from "the wall street journal." obama to the world, drop dead. as the world burns the president spent this week fiddling at fund raisers in the living rooms of five democratic party fat cats. as white house communications director jennifer malmieri famously explained, changing the president's fund raising schedule can have the unintended consequence of unduly alarming the american people or creating a false sense of crisis. who's alarmed in what false sense of crisis? putin's masked men in eastern ukraine shot an ash out of the air just about the time israel and hamas commenced their death struggle. this week the original 9/11 commission put out an update
saying the complacency that led to 9/11 is happening again. how to explain to someone who claims he can run the country out of his back pocket while he flies from fund raiser to fund raiser. not even the white house of lyndon johnson was so purely politicized. >> seems over the top. >> i think that is over the top. i think he can run the country wherever he is. given the fact he's fund raising, might it also make sense to set up situations where you talk to the press and make statements about it. if you don't want to unduly scare the people. aren't you supposed to send messages? make statements? calm the american people? speak to us? make sure he leads? >> yeah. and i think the claim of the white house are two things. one of which is hypocritical
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♪ the dutch people today paid tribute to their own. >> six days of confusion and indignity ended at last. >> a solemn procession across the dutch countryside. >> the sight of 40 hearses tells one painful story. but the dignified silence of those who stood and watched tell another. >> i can't say good-bye. they're in my heart forever. >> two more ukrainian fighter jets were shot down.
>> many woundered if whoever sht down the malaysian plane would lay low. today they got their answer. >> this airport is open. there's no reason whatsoever for the mistake in the faa mistake. >> they have now lifted their ban on american flights out of tel aviv. >> if you don't feel safe here, i don't know where you'd feel safe. i think the state department is overreacting. >> how secure do you feel? >> i feel very secure. >> secretary of state kerry's jet landed. >> through the dawn of a 16th day the remorseless shelling shows no sign of ending. >> hamas sees no ceasefire unless the israeli blockade is lifted. >> we need to find the way forward, and it's not violence. >> welcome back to "morning joe." joining the table now the editor of the weekly standard bill kristol is with us.
good to have you with us. joe kline. the cover of this week's new issue is cold war ii. and in washington nbc chief foreign affairs correspondent, andrea mitchell. thank you so much for that. >> you bet. >> we're going to get to all these major developing stories in just a second. we're also a little bit later going to get a live report because police in new york are still trying to figure out who swapped out the american flags on top of the brooklyn bridge for these white flags. dozens of special team detectives have been assigned to the case. some of whom normally work counterterrorism operations. officials say they have the nicknames of this four or five suspects and are trying to find exactly who they are. andrea, i have some people saying this is art let it be. i don't think so.
it's a big problem. >> it's a big problem. they've got the video so presumably they're going to get to it. and we expect that the nypd is supposed to have counterterror operations in all of these places. iconic bridges. nothing could be more iconic than the brooklyn bridge. >> i find it astounding. so we'll be getting a live report from the scene there. we're going to begin this hour with the situation in the middle east. late last night the faa lifted the ban on american flights into tel aviv. critics of the administration accused obama and the faa of enforcing the ban as an economic boycott. but former new york mayor michael bloomberg who flew to israel was outraged when asked if there were any ulterior motives behind the restrictions. >> if you don't feel safe here, i don't know where you'd feel
safe. i think the state department is overreacting. >> political reasons for that? >> that's -- why would you think that? >> did you think that? i'm asking you. >> ridiculous. it's an outrage for you to accuse one of our agencies. by asking the question you're implying our government does things for political reasons. maybe once in awhile they do but it's your job to prove it. i personally take offense. anybody want -- bill kristol? >> i think mike bloomberg was rattled by having to fly commercial for the first time in 20 years or something. >> i don't understand though. >> it's a legitimate question to ask. that was ted cruz's question. did john kerry talk to the faa those are reasonable questions to ask. >> joe? >> it's a reasonable question to ask. >> okay. then he might have been a little tired. all right. let's move on. secretary of state john kerry
claims headway is being made in reaching a ceasefire. but they are casting doubt on a potential breakthrough. one israeli cabinet member says it will take at least a few days for them to neutralize militant tunnels into the country. until then the bloodshed continues. 724 palestinians dead. 29 since midnight alone. this morning a u.n. school in gaza was hit by incoming israeli fire. one man lost his mother, sister, two sons, and his wife pregnant with their third child in a strike over the weekend. >> i had a look on the corridor of the flat. i saw my mother was flown on the record of the flat. and e found the leg of my son coming out of this wreckage. so i realized at this moment that nobody's going to survive
from inside. >> i want to go to andrea mitchell. the assault on both side continued so much that a german astronaut tweeted this photo taken from the international space station showing the rocket fire and explosions as they were happening. andrea, what is the hope in terms of john kerry's efforts especially when you see such unspeakable tragedy? a family decimated. this isn't stopping. >> it's overwhelming. but there doesn't seem to be anything except so-called marginal progress. yesterday he was meeting with the palestinian authority. but he's not meeting with hamas. i mean, hamas is under influence or alive gned in some ways. but hamas is brokering this so-called deal. it doesn't strike me from talking to people on both sides that either side has an interest
right now in a ceasefire. hamas is still demanding long-term changes to the black kad -- blockade of gaza. and israel wants to do something about the tunnels that are much more extensive than originally thought. neither side wants to stop it at this point. >> joe kline, if one of hamas' goals was to ensnare, enmesh the army within gaza -- >> that was their main goal. >> -- and to raise this specter of civilian casualties, they've succeeded in that one goal. >> i think there's been a failure of reporting on our side about the extent of the israeli operation. which compared to 2009, that was really want destruction. the ground offensive is in only
one neighborhood of the east gaza city. the targets, schools, mosques. that's where they store the guns. that's where they store the arms. and it's terrible that families and children are being killed, but that is precisely hamas' purpose in starting this mess. >> andrea? >> let me just say that one thing -- first of all, from the perspective of our people on the ground, joe, it's not one neighborhood. but i'm not there. i can't verify that. i can just tell you what our reporters are saying. richard engel has reported ambulances being targeted, schools, hospitals. but i don't think there's any denying that there have been misfires. >> it's war, andrea. >> i know it's war. but let me make one other point. they have now taken one step further which is going back to their policy of demolishing the
homes of relatives. relatives in the west bank. relatives of those who are the alleged perpetrators. and this is a very controversial policy because it is ascribing guilt to relations who are not even on the scene. and the long-term impact of that to the future -- the reporting comes not only from our own people but from all of the respected newspapers. i'm not talking about either side's claims. either the idf or the so-called gaza health authorities. i'm talking about what "the new york times," "the wall street journal," "the washington post" correspondents on the scene are reporting. >> you know, i think that it's pretty well known that i've been very critical of israel in the past. especially their activities on the west bank and the expansion of settlements and i still am. but in this case i spent the last couple of days talking to
members of the israeli peace movement. you know, people like orrin neer who is the spokesman for americans for peace now. and he called this a just war. he studies these things very, very carefully. and i think that in this case we have to present more nuanced reporting. you know, i see no evidence that the ground war has expanded the ground war. not the air strikes. the ground war has expanded beyond that one neighborhood. >> quickly, andrea. >> the air strikes from outer space, from 200 miles up the air war is a very big part of piit. i'm not saying who started it or a whether the rocketing from gaza isn't part of it. both sides are now a vested interest. what israel has discovered is the most extensive underground tunnel operations well beyond what their intelligence indicated. and they are determined to get that out and hamas is using
human shields. there's no question about that. but the people who are caught in the middle are the people of gaza. that's the asim industymmetry h. >> there's no mystery. it was started by hamas. israel has no belief in going back into gaza. they got out of gaza. i the last thing they want to do is send any young israeli into gaza. israel said this has to stop. egypt said it had to stop. u.s. government said it had to stop. it didn't stop. >> much more to get to. the eu today debated top new sanctions against russia which could include a ban on stock purchases on russian banks. it comes amid fresh concerns about how much that country is aiding pro-russian separatists in eastern ukraine. the rebels say this video which nbc news could not verify so far
shows the wreckage of a downed ukrainian fighter jet. it's one of two aircraft taken out yesterday about 20 miles from where flight 17 went down one week ago. a top commander for the rebels now admits they had possession of the buk missile system that was likely used to target flight 17. we are getting more and more evidence here. joining us now, nbc news correspondent keir simmons live from eastern ukraine with the latest. keir? >> reporter: good morning. the fighting, those jets came down about 15 miles in that direction. so the war has erupted again as you say. but what really takes your breath away is that even after a week from when mh-17 went down, i'm still able to stand this close to the wreckage. and that if i just take you over in this direction, on the other side of the road here, people's possessions are still lying by the side of the road
uncollected. you can see what a fire ball this was. this is just one of them. across in the field up there, our camera man will give you a look, those are the inspectors who are here doing their work. the investigators who are doing their work looking for evidence about what happened to the plane here. but mika, toi have to tell you, while we were here this morning we found a piece of human remains marked by a white flag and hadn't received it. next to it was a child's shoe. it looked like the age of one of my daughters, actually, two years old. it's really, really disturbing. because you're looking at those pictures in the netherlands of those bodies being taken back and trying to give them some dignity but even though these investigators over here are
working, it's a really slow process. >> a slow process, keir, and you are able almost to walk on the wreckage. i mean, i know you're not going to, but it's not cordoned off. and it doesn't seem to be being protected. >> reporter: that's right. you're right. we've been really careful to not touch anything while we've been here for obvious reasons. but you can just walk on this road. when you say car donned off, that's the cordon there and that's it. there are men armed down the road here. and they are guarding the investigators who are working in the field. so at times these pro-russian rebels do arrive on the scene escorting the western investigators. there are times we're here and there isn't anyone here at all. you wonder when the process is going to start of them clearing this wreckage, maybe taking it somewhere to be analyzed and
when perhaps is someone going to come and get people's things. that's the kind of questions you find yourself asking when you're here for this many days. >> bill kristol, across the street where keir started his report, he was literally standing amidst the wreckage. >> it's terrible. let's be clear about who's starting this war. it's russian-backed separatists who are firing now, having taken down a civilian airliner a year ago. they are cheerfully firing missiles at ukrainian planes. i suppose ukrainian civilians not on military missions as we know are legitimate targets and no one cares about them. but of course understandably when a huge civilian airliner goes down, it's a bigger thing. as in the hamas case, the destruction is terrible, war is terrible. but let's be clear about who is responsible for this. this is putin providing these arms to russian-backed separatists as part of his
strategy to snatch back part of ukraine. and the question is is the west going to be serious about dealing with putin at all? >> on the cover of the magazine is this story. a reporter on the ground there makes a strong argument that the u.s. isn't going to be willing to do anything. you know, it's in the europeans' back yard and, you know, they have been enslaved by russian oil and gas. you know, before we get to sanctions, before we get to putin, you have to ask yourself has our culture, has our world become so desensitized to basic elements of human life and death that we can sit there and watch this field still filled with body parts and belongings to the dead, 298 of them, and there's no real visible sense of international or certainly european combined with american
outrage. >> condemnation. >> at what is going on here for a week. >> well, the netherlands is offering it up. >> it's outrageous. >> let me ask you a question. what's the cover line? >> cold war ii. >> so we all know the cold war was the fundamental aspect of it was the threat of nuclear annihilation on both sides. so how far can this go? how much like the old cold war could this new cold war get to? >> we'll see over time. it depends on how ruthless putin wants to be. my feeling about this particular case is there's an argument that could be made that eastern ukraine have been historically part of russia. and, you know, they should be able to determine their own destiny. but, you know, if putin uses this and as a lesson if he takes this as an educational moment as
the president would say and moves into other areas like the baltic states and so on, you know, there's going to come a time when the west is going to have to respond. >> our thanks to keir simmons. joining us now from amsterdam, katy tur. katy, you've been covering the scene as the bodies of the victims started to come home. a poignant, heart breaking scene that has happened there over the past 24 hours. >> reporter: you know, it's the exact opposite of what keir's seeing in the ukraine. all of that inhumanity that he's observing in that wreckage where he's unfortunately and disgustingly still finding bodies and remains and the belongings of these people. the opposite of that is here in the netherlands where the dutch people have really come together to show some respect and restore some of that dignity. 40 bodies landed yesterday. they were given 40 separate coffins. they were loaded into 40 hearses
and they were taken along this really solemn processional through the dutch countryside where people came out to pay their respects. people were asked not to line the streets, but they came out anyway to say good-bye, to honor those that were lost to pay tribute and to watch as they came here just outside of amsterdam. this is where the identification process is going to begin to take place. now depending on the condition of the bodies and we're told the condition is not good, it could take days, weeks, or months. these families still have quite a bit of time before they're going to see some closure. once they do positively identify them, though, there's not going to be a lot of red tape. they'll be given back directly to e the families so they can have their funerals, memorials, ceremonies. they can begin to put this behind them and remember them. if they're not from the netherlands even though most of these passengers were, they will be immediately repatriated. but im tell you. you see a lot of funerals in
this business. you see a lot of really solemn things and the dutch have just come out in full force. and they have shown the world how to honor people. especially when they've been so dishonored given what we're seeing still in the ukraine. >> katy, the netherlands obviously mass a close relationship with russia economically were more so than other countries. yet there seems to be a support for sanctions where you are. >> reporter: which is a big deal for them to come out and support sanctions. they're russia's third biggest trading partner. the biggest importer of oil and gas is the netherlands. as for exports, they do a lot of exporting. agriculture mostly. flowers to cheese and eggs to machinery. since putin took power, the expoerts of this country have quadrupled to $7 billion. that's quite a lot of money and quite a lot at stake. so boycotts or sanctions or a
bad relationship with russia would be very costly with them so they're treading on very thin ice. they're having to weigh what the people of this country want and what they're demanding that there's some justice for their loved ones. and the economic safety of this country. >> really when you think about it, that does say it all. the west has gotten very good in honoring victims and paying due respects. we're a civilized nation, so we treat the dead appropriately and so forth, but are we not willing to fight for it. the dutch is one of the most -- they've done everything for putin in the past. but now it took this to be serious about it. if they're going let economic relations overcome the killing murder of -- >> evil. that's the choice here. sacrifice in the face of evil or not standing up to evil. and the netherlands seems ready to do that. according to polls there in a
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ways is unprecedently isolated. hamas is isolated today in the arab world. it was hamas that said no to a ceasefire proposal. it was hamas that said no to a ceasefire that abbas endorsed. i think hamas has a major problem today we the people of gaza. you've seen tin the papers they can't express their opinion. the people of gaza didn't want that war. >> that was yesterday on "morning joe." this morning the palestinian liberation organization's representative to the united states. mr. ambassador, thank you for being on this morning. >> thank you. >> i believe it was a week ago that you said it was a matter of time before there would be a ceasefire. has that type passed?
>> well, i think no, the time has not passed. i think our intensive efforts being undertaken right now by different parties including president abbas in coordination of the secretary of state, egypt, and other regional players. iss reel has intensified its attacks against the gaza strip over the last week. so far 735 palestinians have been killed. 4500 wounded. including 160 children, 90 elderly. 82% of the casualties are civilians. the excessive use of force is not contributing positively to the efforts to reach a ceasefire. >> i understand that you believe that. what are the requirements necessary from your perspective for the fighting to stop? >> we always perceived this as being a political problem. i listen to the gentleman who
was earlier on. he said israel withdrew from the gaza strip and the palestinians are attacking israel. this is not true. israel pulled its troops in 2005 but it's still under israeli military occupation. palestinians are living in an open jail air prison there. they are not allowed to move in and out. there is a political problem that needs to be addressed. ceasefire is a necessity. is an urgent necessity. but in addition to that, the root causes, underlining causes of this conflict must be addressed. >> andrea mitchell, jump in. >> ambassador, because of the death toll and the obvious fact that gazans are trapped there and subject to the fire, the return fire from the rocketing that began with gaza, why not a
ceasefire now and then address all the issues of the blockade? because if hamas continues to insist on going beyond the egyptian proposal that the arab league and palestinian authorities and others did support for a ceasefire first and then negotiate all of the outstanding obvious issues. this will continue and more and more people -- your people will die. >> well, two things here. first of all, all the efforts now are being focused on the egyptian initiative introducing elements into the initiative that egypt proposed ten days ago in order to be satisfactory to all parties. the second thing, andrea, as you recall israel in 2012 accepted the 2012 understandings. everybody including u.s. administration, include israel, are looking for a return to
2012. one aspect of that that understanding was lifting the blocka blockade. and did not comply with the aspect of lifting the blockade. so the palestinian people, the palestinian leadership all agree that there must be a lifting of this blockade on the gaza strip as part of any agreement to reach a ceasefire. of course we are interested in stopping the bloodshed. israel is much more powerful than the palestinians. we understand that, but there has to be a political aspect with guarantees. >> joe klein. >> yeah. ambassador, how has -- how have these events affected the relationship between the palestinian authority and hamas? early on president abbas said if it were established as it pretty well has been now that hamas kidnapped and murdered those three kids that the unity deal
would be broken. also that -- you know, those sanctions were imposed only after the government was overthrown by a hamas coup. is there still a unity government there? >> well, first of all i would disagree with you on who kidnapped the three teenage settlers and murdered them. even israel is saying today whoever acted acted individually and that hamas did not issue the order. so i would be cautious here not to assign blame. secondly we do have a national consensus government formed on june 2nd. i think that development is playing a positive factor in the ongoing efforts right now to reach political solution to this conflict. the fact that president abbas is the head of that national consensus government has proven to be a positive factor in these
efforts. >> okay. sam stein. >> first off i want to say i don't think you actually answered andrea's question about why there can't be a ceasefire and then negotiation of the blockade. i'd like you to take a second stab at that. the question i want to ask is do you believe that the u.s. government, secretary kerry specifically, should be talking directly to hamas. i know he's talking to netanyahu, but hamas has been the one that scuttled the previous attempts of a ceasefire. in your estimation, would it make any sense for the u.s. government to be directly engaging hamas? >> well, i think the u.s. is engaging president abbas who represents the palestinian national consensus government. i think eventually the united states and all the parties should be talking to all different factions within the palestinian society. and back to the ceasefire, i think i did answer. i said that we need a ceasefire. it's an urgent necessity for the
palestinian people because we are paying a heavy price in erm t terms of civilian casualties. at the same time there has to be a political solution to this problem. we don't want this to happen again in a year or two years. there has to be a political solution in order to end the conflict. >> can you do that after the cease foo ir? zblit can be done together. >> no it can't. >> it has to be a ceasefire and very clear follow-up steps. in the previous attacks in 2008, 2009, and in 2012, israel promised to work to lift the blockade and they have not kept their promise. >> ambassador, thank you very much for being on the show. >> thank you. coming up, more questions surrounding the brooklyn bridge flag swap. police are looking for suspects and believe it may have been an inside job. those details next when "morning joe" returns. ♪
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were bleached white. nbc news correspondent jeff rossen has the latest. >> reporter: good morning. as we've been talking about, this has become a real headache and embarrassment for the city of new york. so the nypd trying to double down on security this morning on the brooklyn bridge. these counterterrorism officers positioned here. there's a scooter going back and forth on the walkway and we've seen an nypd chopper flying in the air too. also new information on the investigation itself. police still don't know who it is, but sources tell nbc news that the suspects four or five of them on the videotape are in their early 20s. one of them carries something that looks like a skate board. it all comes down to grainy surveillance footage now. the nypd comparing security footage from the incident from footage from other cameras in that area hoping to make an identification. they know it was multiple people, they just don't know
who. >> though the official footage may be grainy, there are ways in which to corroborate that footage given that time who's in the area. eyewitnesses may come forward. >> reporter: the nypd is also going online scanning social media for any leads. hoping the suspects will brag about their exploits. >> this does not look like a drunken stunt. that type of planning targeting this structure indicates that others might want to copy cat or see it as a vulnerability. >> reporter: police believe the cowl pretties know the bridge well and may have been in restricted areas here before. they may have climbing experience. advanced enough to get around a locked security gate. and they now the exact size catering tins to bring to cover the lights on the towers. for all the talk of security at landmarks, new yorkers now losing their patience. >> it is a concern because it could be a security issue. >> that's what it leaves me with
is curiosity about what else could possibly happen. >> reporter: investigators are also working on forensics here. are there any fingerprints on the flag or anywhere else up and down the brooklyn bridge seeing to identify the suspects. if it was a stunt to get the attention of officials, it certainly worked. not only here in new york city but across the country. think about it, brooklyn bridge one of the biggest terror togethers in the nation. one of the biggest land marks. they were able to pull this off here. what does that mean? would they pull things off in other cities? you can bet many are paying close attention this morning. >> that was jeff rossen. thank you. andrea mitchell because i'm not taking you guys seriously. to jeff's questions which are quite serious, how did that happen? >> well, they've got to figure this one out. but just yesterday and the day before we were here in
washington hearing a report from lee hamilton and tom cain ten years after their 9/11 report saying that some of the key recommendations had still not been implemented. the most important one being that homeland security reports to more than 90 congressional committees and subcommittees. so congress has refused to streamline the oversight of all of these homeland committee actions. and that they still have a lot of work to do on the fixes from 9/11. so you just have to ask yourself how could new york city, the biggest target potentially in the nation not be more secure than to let perhaps their pranksters and kids with skate boards, but it can be even worse. we saw the dive from the top of the freedom tower. there have been too many incidents. >> when you climbed up the side of the bridge, did you wear that black rubber body suit? >> seriously. >> i'm the only one at this
table probably that goes back and forth along the brooklyn bridge. >> this is not funny. >> they have cop stations on each side of the bridge. as you might know, after a lot of years in which nothing has happened, a lot of those cops are taking a nap. there's a lot of -- there's not a lot of intensity in the surveillance that's going on there. the cop cars are stationed there at the end of the bridge, but there's a fair amount of the cars might be empty on some occasions. or snoozing. >> it's not sleeping. my husband did a story on this. it's texting. they're on their phones a lot. and it's something to look at. another thing the nypd should look at. >> it took a lot of planning. really. >> somebody missed something there happening at the brooklyn bridge. andrea mitchell, thank you. we'll be tuning into "andrea mitchell reports" today at noon. thank you so much. up next, for nearly two hours he defended his post until the very end holding off taliban fighters until re-enforcements
could come in. the latest recipient of the medal of honor joins us next with his story.
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♪ valor was everywhere that day and the real heroes are the nine men who made the ultimate sacrifice so the rest of us could return home. it is their names, not mine, that i want people to know. specialist sergio abad. corporal jonathan ayers. corporal jason bogar. sergeant israel garcia. corporal jason hobader. corporal matthew phillips.
corporal pruit rainey. >> very poignant moment there. it was earlier this week that president obama awarded the medal of honor to retired staff sergeant ryan pitts for defending an outpost in afghanistan all by himself in 2008 during one of the deadliest conflicts in the u.s. mission in afghanistan. and retired staff sergeant pitts joins us on set here in new york. great to have you here. congratulations. that had to be a huge honor for you to receive this medal. but you take the time there to talk about those who lost their lives on that day. this was in 2008. take us back to that day. >> it was early morning and it seemed like almost any other day. and then heard a burst of machine gun fire from the north. and then rpgs hit our position and the whole valley erupted as about 200 fighters attacked 40
americans. >> you were 22 at the time. you're now just 28 years old. but 22 at the time. what was going through your mind at that time? because this was towards the end of the time that you were supposed to be there, correct? >> we'd be there about 14 months app and we were about three weeks from going home. you know, for me what was going through my mind, i was wounded early on, but i'm watching all these other guys fight, returning fire. running to reinforced positions. i just felt i had to do my part like everybody else. >> you know, ryan, you know obviously what happened that day never leaves you. the memories of it, the noise, the clamor, the casualties. talk to us about the weight that you carry each and every day. you mentioned your brothers who died that day. talk about how they must be with you at moments of every day.
you see a cloud formation, you hear a song on the radio, something that will trip wire your mind back to them in that day. >> there are different triggers. but i think of all of them every day. some days i think about certain ones more than others. i remember funny stories if there's another similar experience. when i play poker it reminds me of rainey and phillips. they like to play poker. but i think of them all the time. >> can i ask you what reintegration is like? what does our army, political system do helping people get back into society. how has the medical care been for you personally six years after this event? >> there was a lot of support for reintegration.
there were numerous classes we took for us to get out and to do internships. as far as medical care, it was phenomenal at walter reed. it's been positive. >> so there are also ways in which you try and move on, but keep the men that you lost, your brothers, with you. you've had some beautiful moments in your life since you came back. including receiving the medal of honor which was also two years to the day, correct? that the you married to amy. who is standing behind you there. hi, amy. >> hi, amy. >> how are you? and also i noticed you had a very firm hand shake. and then we have this. this is you -- we have video of you i think at the stock exchange yesterday. was that yesterday morning? >> yes. >> what the -- you broke it. >> he told me to make sure everybody could hear it. that's all i was trying to do. >> it snapped.
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♪ >> the dutch people today paid tribute to their own. >> six days of confusion and indignity ended at last. >> a solemn procession across the dutch countryside. >> the sights of 40 hearses tells one painful fraction of this story, but the dignified silence of those who stood and watched tells another. >> two more ukrainian fighter jets were shot down. >> many wondered if whoever shot down the malaysian plane would lay low. today they got their answer. >> this airport is open. there's no reason whatsoever for the mistaken faa decision. >> aviation authorities have now lifted their ban on american flights in and out of tel aviv. >> if you don't feel safe here, i don't know how you'll feel safe. >> how secure do you feel? >> i feel very secure. >> one american plane did land in tel aviv, secretary of state
john kerry's official jet. >> with hopes of a cease-fire, through the dawn of a 16th day, the remorseless shelling shows no sign of end. >> and hamas sees no cease-fire unless the israeli blockade is lifted. >> we need to find a way forward, and it's not violence. it's 8:00 a.m. on the east coast, 5:00 a.m. on the west coast as you take a live look at new york city. with us on set, mike barnicle, sam stein and john heilemann. and in washington, ian brzezinski. so much news to get to. let's get right into it. we're going to begin with a situation in the middle east. late last night the faa lifted a ban on american flights into tel aviv. critics of the administration accuse president obama and the faa of enforcing the ban as an economic boycott. but former new york mayor michael bloomberg, who flew el al in a show of solidarity to
israel was outraged when asked if there was ulterior motives behind the restrictions. >> if you don't feel safe here i dhn where you'll feel safe. i think the state department is overreacting. >> political reasons for that? >> don't be ridiculous. why do you think that? it's an outrage for you to accuse one of our agencies by asking the question. you're implying that our government does things for political reasons and maybe every once in a while they do but it's your job to prove it. just the allegation against our government i personally take as an offense. >> okay. let's try and understand what's going on here. because, i believe, that the former mayor, who you know i love, went there critical of the restrictions. correct? are we all in agreement of that? >> yes. >> and did some theater with benjamin netanyahu to let everyone know how safe it is and is critical of the restrictions, john heilemann.
so what's with being so difficult on the questions? why go? >> well, i think he was making a straightforward point. >> what's his point? >> he thinks the restrictions are mistaken but not driven by a political motive by the administration or by the faa to try to punish israel for what it's doing. >> okay. but why did you laugh when you watched that sound bite. >> i didn't laugh, it's always interesting to see two great men in a state of -- a bit of haggling on television. >> what's the haggling over, sam? >> i have no idea. i think they were in agreement, i couldn't really tell. >> what happened? >> it was a weird interview. i don't know what to say about it. >> he had a long flight on a commercial airline. >> exactly. it's an 11-hour flight. >> it's a contradiction of trying to accuse wolf to gen up a controversy when he is asking him a legitimate question with a man that has direct ties to washington, d.c. i saw that live yesterday, i was amazed by the interview.
secretary of state john kerry meanwhile claims headway is being made in reaching a cease-fire, but hamas leaders and israeli leaders are casting doubt on a potential breakthrough. one israeli cabinet member says it will take at least a few days for them to neutralize militant tunnels in the country. until then, the bloodshed continues. 32 israeli soldiers killed, 724 palestinians dead. 29 since midnight alone. this morning a u.n. school in gaza was hit by incoming israeli fire. hassan lost his mother, sister, two sons and his wife who was pregnant with their third child in a strike over the weekend. >> i had to look on the corridor of the flat and i found my mother was thrown on the wreckage of the flat. i found the leg of my son coming out of the wreckage. so i realized at this moment
that nobody is going to survive from inside. >> the all-out assault on both sides continues, so much so that a german astronaut tweeted this photo taken from the international space station of explosions and rocket fire. let's go now to gaza. nbc news foreign correspondent ayman mohyeldin is standing by. ayman, we saw part of your interview this morning with that grieving father and husband. bring us up to date on the latest so far today. >> reporter: good morning, mika. well, you know, as it has been every morning, you wake up and you get a sense of what happens overnight. most of the time it's some disturbing news about some of the results of the overnight air strikes. this morning has been no different. today's concentration has been in the southern part of gaza. we are getting preliminary reports and we emphasize these are preliminary reports that we're getting from eyewitnesses and residents in the area in the southern part of gaza that overnight at least several israeli shells landed in the
vicinity of a residential neighborhood, killing up to 40 people. now again, we're still getting the initial reports. according to eyewitnesses on the ground, palestinian eyewitnesses on the ground, overnight there was intense shelling. a group of families huddled together to try to make their way out of that scene where the shelling was taking place. according to some of those who survived, they too came under attack as they were trying to leave under the cover of darkness. we don't know what the motivations were or whether or not there was any gunfire being returned from the palestinian side to the israelis, but some horrific descriptions about what may have happened overnight in the southern part of the gaza strip. the death toll well above 700 on the palestinian side and at least 35 israelis killed, including 32 israeli soldiers. the humanitarian situation continues to worsen. i know it sounds like we're saying it over and over again, but the u.n. really is making an appeal for the international community. today the spokesperson for one of the u.n. agencies here literally said, quote, there is no place safe left for any
civilians in gaza, so it gives you a sense of the desperation that even the u.n. is working under as one of their own facilities today came under attack by israeli fire. mika. moving on now, the e.u. will be debating tough new sanctions against russia today and the fresh concerns about how much that country is aiding pro-russian separatists in eastern ukraine. the rebels say this video, which nbc news could not verify, shows the wreckage of the downed ukrainian fighter jet. it's one of two aircraft taken out yet about 20 miles from where malaysia airlines flight 17 went down one week ago. a top ukrainian official says the two warplanes were shot down from russian territory. a top commander for the rebels now admits they had possession of the buk missile system that was likely used to target flight 17. he also says it is possible the system was sent back to russia after the tragedy. the crisis led to an all-out brawl in ukraine's parliament.
lawmakers fought in the aisle over a presidential decree to call up more reserves to defend the border against russian troops. the majority of the lawmakers approved the measure. let's stop right here. i want to get to ian. first of all, what do you make of the reaction in ukraine, the downing of the jet liners, and then i want to back up to the big picture in terms of what we're waiting to see from europe, specifically germany. ian? >> well, mika, good morning. good morning to you all. you know, it's been six months since russia invaded ukraine, annexed crimea and stocked up this insurgency and it's been seven days since the tragic shootdown of mh-17. the sad reality of the west response has been nothing but stern rhetoric and limited action. that's not going to change putin's calculus. so it's really europe's moment
today. it's going to be interesting to see if they can stand up, buck up and really impose sanctions that will hurt the russian economy. i'm not confident they're ready to do that but we should keep our fingers crossed. >> what would hold them back at this point, and what exactly -- everyone is saying we will have to wait for germany, it will be so key what angela ameriinela m. what are we expecting? >> the problem with u.s. policy is been allowed to be shaped by europe. they need to provide harsher sanctions, to provide more tangible support for ukraine security. that is not a recipe for success in european policy. leading from behind is not going to lead the europeans to a more forceful, more firm, more resolved posture. >> sam stein? >> i mean the problem right here is can you have a united sanctions regime essentially. do you go lead forward as we an
said or do you try to build a coalition and then try to present all the sanctions at once. the key development that i saw yesterday was this fighting between france and england over who is the purer one with respect to dealing with russia and england sniping at france for selling helicopters and france saying russian oligarchs are resting comfortably in london. so when you don't have a united european front it becomes a lot tougher to put that pressure on putin to essentially get out of eastern ukraine, stop influencing what's happening there. i think the question remains how do you get europe to act in one cohesive, comprehensive step. >> ian, what would tougher measures include in your estimation? >> i think we have to move from -- we have to move beyond targeted sanctions, which basically imposed asset freezes, financial restrictions, travel bans on individuals and entities to more systemic sanctions that attack really the russian economy on a sectoral basis.
the primary targets should be the energy sector and the financial sector. in a way similar to what we did with iran. we were able to create a context that made it easier for the europeans to fall behind and support us. this should be the approach the administration takes. >> all right. i want to show now some of the most poignant pictures you'll see so far in this story. it was a day of national mourning in the netherlands as the first bodies of the victims arrived. the country's king and queen joined the mourners as 40 coffins were taken to 40 different hearses. two more planes with victims are expected to arrive later today. the ceremony also involved, if you'll call it that, the hearse driving through the streets and thousands and thousands of people standing to show their respect for the victims. >> yeah, it was -- it was very moving actually. i mean the hour and a half drive from the airport to the mortuary where the remains are received.
it's such a small country, as you indicated thousands upon thousands of people lining the highways and the byways and the overpasses. it was quite a moving scene. >> and after seeing these pictures, you wonder if the netherlands are perhaps the leaders in europe on the levels of sort of dignity in the face of this and moral high ground. i'll show you a poll that will back that up at this point because they are invested in russia and they are saying so what, crack down. let's bring in michiel vos. first of all, your response and your thoughts as the victims are being brought home. >> we are a very small country. holland is a very small country and it's true. we're like basically 60 million people, twice the size of new york city. so everybody in holland either knows somebody who knows somebody who was on the plane, so a day of national mourning is an instant community bringer. everybody on those overpasses,
along the way of those 40 hearses is looking at something that they know, somebody that they may know or may have known through somebody else and it brings together a small country. and then there is this sort of sign -- yeah, this signal of dignity after those five, six days of undignified behavior in the eastern ukraine. so holland in a way was set up perfectly to show the world, okay, we can do this different. we can actually, you know, do it in a dignified way and that's what happened, i think. >> so you have companies like shell is the netherlands largest corporation, $7 billion in oil and gas assets that are in russia, dutch pension funds are also heavily invested in the company stock and it goes on, and yet in the largest dutch daily newspaper, you have this poll that shows a majority support new sanctions. 78% of dutch are in favor of sanctions, even if it harms their economy. it's interesting we can get that from a country that has been so
deeply impacted in every way and would be deeply impacted by sanctions. are there questions about why it's taking so long for others to follow suit? >> yes, there are questions. but we were slow ourselves. we're very small. like we're not used to talk -- like america, when america talks in a tragedy like this, things happen. the world moves. when holland talks, nobody really listens for the first few days. we need the american president to do it for us or the european union and that's hard because you need all those countries lined up to do something for you, to express that outrage. so being small is a disadvantage in this tragedy. we are basically never heard of, and we also don't have the american senators who directly say on tv we need to do military action, we need to secure the perimeter, secure the crash site. we, the dutch, they don't do that. there's none of that on television or in the national debate. so it took time. and now finally, yes, we are heavily invested in russia. i think after china and germany, we're the biggest investor in
russia, the biggest trade partner with russia. so if we put ourselves on the line and, you know, beef up the sanctions that would happen today, we would get hit and the people still want it because they are mad. they're angry. they want to show the world. but if we can, i don't know. >> so let me turn the question around. if there are not severe sanctions, if for some reason russia passes through this without really being impacted greatly, vladimir putin personally, what do you suggest is next? >> well, i think what will happen is what's happened in the past. you know, in the past our responses have been tactical sanctions and some limited support to the ukrainians and russia's response has been to actually stoke up further the insurgents, to arm them, as we saw providing increasingly sophisticated weapons, including the buk sa-11. if u.s.'s response and the
europe response is weak, we should expect him to ramp up and go against other countries in the space of the former soviet union. >> thomas. >> so, ian, as we look at what's taking place with the european union, and has michiel points out, what's the point of the e.u. if the least among them or the lesser influential among them is not listened to, what is the point of the muscle, the collective point of the e.u. if they cannot then do something collectively to sanction russia to get its attention? >> well, in this case the enormous potential to the e.u. would be left lying to waste, so to speak. i'm amazed by the economic disproportion between the e.u. and russia in this situation. the e.u. is a $12 trillion globally integrated economy. it gets what, some 30% of its imported gas, not total use but imported gas from russia. russia is a $2 trillion gas
station with only one customer, the e.u. so there's a lot of leverage the e.u. has. if there was an economic showdown, yes, the e.u. would have a price to pay. it would be painful. but the e.u. has been on three years of growth, small growth but positive growth. russia is a teetering economy. if there was an economic showdown built around severe sanctions by the west, it would be a body blow to the russian economy. still ahead on "morning joe," the latest on washington state's wildfires. what officials are now doing to contain it. and a family is kicked off their flight after dad sends a disgruntled tweet. we'll show you -- we'll show you what he said. some might agree with what the father tweeted, you never know. plus the city one survey has named the unhappiest in the united states. which one could that be? >> new haven. >> new haven, connecticut? what's wrong with you. that's terrible! most awesome pizza.
>> frank peppy's and sally's. >> oh my -- >> what, the pizza place? but first here's bill karins with a check on the forecast. >> misbehaving right, mika, as always. good morning, everyone. we're happy today. it's not a bad day across the country. we don't have a lot of severe weather to talk about, nothing in the tropics to worry about, it's just a hot summer morning in many spots of the west. yesterday, by the way, salt lake city, you don't think of that as a hot location, 103 degrees. phoenix 114, so that's even hot by your standards, and much of the country saw a steamy day. it has changed in the east. this weather pattern has been with us ever since the spring. the great lakes, ohio valley continue to be unusually chilly. indianapolis, by the way, is on pace for their coldest july ever recorded. with this forecast coming towards the end of july, that's not going to change so the cool weather pattern remains in the great lakes today. as we go towards next week,
especially talking monday, tuesday, wednesday, another polar invasion from the north, the second one in july. it was bad enough with the first one and now we're getting a second one, but it does look like temperatures are going to be very cool. chicago, detroit, all through michigan. not a great time to be on vacation up there if you want to go to the pool or lake. look at indianapolis on monday with a high of only 73 degrees in the middle of the summer. let's take you to the west coast where you're going to enjoy another pretty quiet day there in l.a. the interior west is hot but you haven't had a hot summer in l.a. with a lot of marine clouds. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. this is the first power plant in the country to combine solar and natural gas at the same location. during the day, we generate as much electricity as we can using solar. at night and when it's cloudy, we use more natural gas.
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time now to take a look at the morning papers from our parade of papers, "the seattle times," president obama has declared a state of emergency in washington as one of the worst wildfires in state history continues to burn. over 2500 firefighters are battling the massive fire which has spread across more than a quarter million acres. one person was killed and nearly 500 homes have been evacuated. officials say the fire is over 50% contained. "the new york times," a new study showing acetaminophen, the active ingredient in tylenol, may not be as effective as once thought when it comes to alleviating lower back pain. research conducted at the university in australia found no difference between the recovery time of those who took acetaminophen and those that took a placebo. the medication has been proven effective for headaches, toothaches and pain after surgery. >> i could have told you that about back pain. >> all right, "usa today," seven
people have been arrested in connection with the global cyber crime ring which illegally accessed 1600 stubhub accounts and purchased tickets. authorities say the suspects would access customer accounts and use the stored credit card information to rack up ticket orders which they would later resell for a profit. the thieves are accused of stealing more than $1.6 million worth of tickets, john heilemann. is that you? >> i'm his stubhub. >> mike is my stubhub. >> mike barnicle. go ahead, thomas. >> "the wall street journal" is reporting that facebook is trying to make it easier for you to find content on the web without leaving its website or app. the company's engineers are working on new ways to incorporate all sorts of content searches beyond person-to-person connections. it was last week that facebook celebrated shakira's 100 millionth like. the pop star's page is a prime
example of facebook where fans can buy her music, and get updates about future appearances. "the daily mail" if you're walking on the streets of manhattan, chances are you may be standing next to a millionaire. a new study says one out of every 25 new yorkers makes seven figures. that's nearly 5% of all individuals living in the big apple. new york city ranks fourth on the worldwide list, behind monaco, zurich and geneva. >> and they say we're out of touch with the real people. so "the new york daily news" is reporting that a study suggests new yorkers may have the blues. >> i agree, i think they do. >> according to the national bureau of economic research, new york city is the unhappiest town in the u.s. researchers asked residents how satisfied they are in their lives and factored in race, education, marital status and family size. rounding out the top five unhappiest towns are pittsburgh, louisville, milwaukee and detroit. >> i don't buy that at all.
pittsburgh, louisville, milwaukee, no. detroit, maybe. they're shutting people's water off in detroit. >> unbelievable story. >> milwaukee, people are very happy there. people love their brewers. >> why are people unhappy in new york. >> i just found out i'm unhappy because i'm walking next to millionaires all the time and i'm not one of them. so let's turn that frown upside down and into a smile. the happiest places include richmond, norfolk, virginia. washington, d.c. >> no way. >> oh, my god. >> okay. this study is just bogus on every point. >> i have lived in several of those places. very happy people. >> atlanta. >> my god. >> maybe they're happy in washington because they're so unself aware. >> that could be. >> that could be a little bit of a psychosis. they're so clueless that they're happy. they have no idea that they're wreaking havoc on our country, getting nothing done. >> they know. >> no, i don't think they do.
>> it's a misery pit. >> it's not a happy place. i lived there. >> people are so unhappy because sam lives there. >> all right, fine. let's move to the "los angeles time" a minneapolis family says they were asked to get off a southwest flight after tweeting a negative review of the airline's service. the father says he sent his tweet after he experienced poor service from a southwest employee at their departing gate. the family was later instructed to delete the tweet to -- >> oh, no, come on. >> this is america. >> after the employee mentioned she felt, quote, threatened for her safety. i don't know, we weren't there. what was the tweet? i think we know. >> how nasty was it? >> they made them delete it, but i think it was something about the rudest, you know -- >> how big was his twitter account? that's the key. >> what the heck? >> nine followers. >> some random deal with nine
followers. >> did they go to his twitter? this doesn't make any sense. >> it makes me want to follow him now, though. >> it kind of proved the guy's point. >> exactly. >> what thin skin, geez. >> i know. >> sounds like something you would do. >> i wouldn't tweet it. people who run those twitter accounts at the airlines are a little crotchety sometimes. >> it's hard, though. it's hard dealing with people. let's get to "the denver post" where a tv news helicopter captured the final moments of a dramatic manhunt. wait until you see. this a carjacking suspect broke into a house carrying a gun, crashing through the garage in a stolen suv. police had been looking for the guy in connection with a string of alleged crimes. so he makes his way toward a busy interstate where after getting stuck in a ditch he takes off on foot attempting to steal another vehicle. police catch up to him and with some help of bystanders the man is taken into custody but you can see he's armed right there. the cop gets him, tackles him, takes him down. >> chokehold. >> that's when you would use
that chokehold. >> down you go. >> i don't know why you like that. let's move on. the whole thing is sad. okay. joining us now with political playbook, the president and ceo of politico, jim vandehei. jim, we're starting this morning, politico, with the clinton wars. really? what's going on? in the d.c. suburbs? what's going on? >> it's a delicious house race to watch. barbara caomstock who people in washington knows from the clinton days, she was the lead investigator and now she's running for a seat she probably will win. i think she's the odds-on favorite to win in the suburbs of virginia. it's sort of a rehash of those '90s wars. she's got congressman burton, david bossi, ken star, all these figures from the '90s supporting her. running against her you have terry mcauliffe, who is now the
governor but was intimately involved with the clintons. you've got paul pegala trashing her. he's been saying she'll come back to washington and be a reprisal of what we saw in the 1990s. it's one of the closer races. she's an interesting person, a workaholic and somebody who's been a thorn in the clintons' side forever. if hillary clinton were to win, this town never changes. >> is this northern virginia, jim? >> yep. she's not that far out. frank wolf's district, not far from d.c. relatively a swing district. it's one that mitt romney won, it's one republicans should win but it's close enough that if you have terry mcauliffe and other democrats pouring money into it, given who she is, given her fame especially in democratic clinton circles, it makes it one of the few competitive house races to actually watch. >> jim vandehei, thank you. the flight ban into israel has been lifted but does a threat still persist? we'll speak to someone who knows a lot about keeping airlines
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we are following breaking news this morning out of africa. yet another missing plane.
an air algerie flight went off radar about 50 minutes into the flight. there are said to be 110 passengers and six crew members on board. dozens of french passengers are believed to be on that flight. a french minister says the plane was lost over mali. the faa considers flying over mali risky given fighting with al qaeda-linked insurgents. if there's more information we'll bring it to you immediately. while we're on the issue of air safety, it's certainly a topic of concern following the downing of malaysia flight 17 and the u.s. decision to halt flights into tel aviv for 24 hours. that flight ban was lifted overnight. joining us to talk about this the former director of security for el al airlines, isaac yeffet. thank you very much for being on the show this morning. first of all, your thoughts on
the ban into -- it was in response to a rocket -- a strike that landed about a mile from the airport. that seems to make sense, does it not? >> no. >> no? >> i don't think this is the reason to instruct the u.s. airlines to stop flying to israel. two weeks the war between israel and the terrorist organization hamas was day and night and every day hamas sent rockets toward israel. between 100 and 150 rockets every day. nothing happens. the airlines are flying in a secure area. the rockets cannot hit the aircraft. israel invented anti-missiles by the name of iron dome that blow any missile that might cause any
damage. so nothing happened in the war so -- >> i understand where you're coming from here. but from the other point of view, from the american point of view, from our point of view in terms of airline security. we're not talking about passengers getting on a plane going through security. we are talking about an occasion during the calamity, the chaos of war, when close to an airport a rocket-propelled grenade carried by someone from hamas or some terrorist organization having come through the tunnel with an rpg, a shoulder-held rpg could take a plane out of the sky just as it landed in its most vulnerable point like that. not missile, not nothing, boom, like that. >> i just spoke this morning with the captain from iran 747 and he made it very clear that these rockets cannot hit any aircraft within our air because these rockets are only against land, not against anything on air.
>> i understand. please try to understand this point of view. a rocket-propelled grenade is not a missile. it is something that within 200 yards, most vulnerable point for a plane coming in right on the runway, you can be right beneath it or taking off, an rpg, you can hit a plane. >> my answer to this, that's why we invented the anti-rockets that take any rockets on air. >> you're not understanding what i'm saying. >> i think i do understand. if you will allow me just to finish. >> sure. >> the anti-rockets invented to hit any rockets or any missile that will be sent toward israel and there is any chance to damage or to cause any harm to human being or anyone else, this rocket by the name of iron dome will hit and destroy the
rockets, so the chances are so slim that i don't think that for this we have to stop flying from the united states to israel and the results, all the european immediately follow the instruction of the faa. now, the faa, thank god, i'm glad that they cancelled -- they changed their decision and they allow the american airlines to fly back to israel, and immediately after that the european decided and made a statement they are going to fly pack to israel. >> sam. >> you've said that you think this was a political decision, correct? >> i don't want to say now -- i don't want to go into politics. >> you said there is politics behind this. >> i don't want to discuss about politics, but i think that from security point of view, i don't think -- >> well, i just want to make sure. you said in the fast forum that you thought there was politics behind this. >> politics? >> yes. >> no, i said i hope there is no
politics behind this. that's what i said. >> i was just wondering. there's a historical perspective here which is in the '91 gulf war flights were suspended into tel aviv because of concerns about safety and i think the viewers would want to know that it wasn't just american airlines that suspended flights but air canada, for instance, also suspended their flights. so you would agree there was widespread legitimate concerns and dismiss the idea there was some u.s. boycott going on. >> we know who is leading in this world. when the united states decides to cancel flights for security point of view, do you expect canada to continue flying or european? once the usa decided to allow now the u.s. air carriers to fly to israel, look, magic, canada and -- all europe decided now we can fly back. >> magic or just, you know, confirming that it was safe. one or the other. >> but the contradiction would be if iron dome is so successful
and that it is safe, security concerns aside from the faa, then what is the reason that we're watching israel go into gaza and try to decimate hamas because of the rockets that they're launching? it's a contradiction in terms of safety concerns, it's a contradiction in terms of the incursion. >> it's not only the hamas rockets. it's all of the tunnels. dozens of tunnels that they did and spent all the millions of dollars instead of giving to the refugees, to their people, they spent it to build a tunnel that go from gaza strip toward israeli territory. and in no time when they cross the tunnel, they go to innocent families that live in the israeli territory and do massacre. this is what caused israel to go to war. and number two, israel just said they would not withdraw until they will clean all of the
tunnels that are risking the life of the israeli citizens. >> i think we all can agree we're hoping for a cease-fire sometime soon, isaac yeffet. thank you so much for your perspective. still ahead, apple's smart watch, facebook's earnings and geopolitics weighing heavy on the markets. business before the bell next. honey, look i got one to land. uh-huh there's good more... honey, look at all these smart rewards points verizon just gave me. ooh, you got a buddy.
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>> are you excited that it's always in airplane mode? >> oh, yeah, that's good. >> i just like that it has an apple insignia on the back. >> so you would buy anything? >> pretty much anything from apple. >> it is an embarrassment -- >> wow, that is embarrassing. >> an embarrassment of riches talking to good people. business before the bell with cnbc's sara eisen. sara, so that was a good ad for apple knowing that people will pretty much buy anything with their name on it. brief us on what's going on with apple and how the markets are looking. >> i don't know with apple. i just want to tell you that apple was a major topic of discussion on wall street because people here are really excited about the new product refresh, including the iwatch, as claim as some people think it may be because apple is spending 36% more on r & d in the last quarter and that was sort of a hint, hint that something big
and exciting is coming because they're spending more. so maybe, maybe it will be a game-changer like the iphone. >> mika, you had that, didn't you? >> no, i have the samsung. it actually works pretty well. >> but you don't wear it anymore. >> i don't. i like it right here. a nice big tablet. tablet phone. tab phone. >> some are bigger than the 1950 de soto. >> beyond apple i just want to mention good news on the economy here just breaking. jobless claims, the number of americans filing for unemployment claims, below 300,000. in fact the lowest level since february, 2006. it's a big deal. it continues to point to improvement in this labor market. also want to mention some breaking news on walmart, a company that we follow obviously very closely here. the head of the u.s., the ceo of the u.s. division of walmart, bill simon, has resigned this
morning n his place will be the head of the international markets. he covered china and japan. it's just an interesting move because walmart has been suffering with decreased traffic, with trying to match those low prices and it's been having trouble with its u.s. sales. so potentially an interesting strategy change by walmart. we'll have to watch. the stock didn't react too much but it does look like we're starting off positive here on wall street. better earnings. >> thanks, sara. sara eisen, as always, great to see you. coming up next, new questions about death penalty procedures after an arizona inmate stayed alive long enough for lawyers to file an emergency stay. we'll have reaction to that. keep it locked in on "morning joe." we're back in a moment. [ male announcer ] at northrop grumman, we've always been at the forefront of advanced electronics. providing technology to get more detail... ♪ detect hidden threats... ♪
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there is renewed scrutiny of lethal injections this morning after what opponents of the death penalty are calling another botched execution. it happened in arizona where it took joseph wood nearly two hours to die. witnesses say it was a troubling scene as the convicted murderer repeatedly gasped and snorted. joining us now nbc news correspondent hallie jackson. what's the latest in terms of especially what arizona officials are saying? >> what the governor is doing, mika. the governor wants a review now of this execution and a district court is ordering the state to preserve evidence.
witnesses described the scene during the hour and 57 minutes it took to execute joseph wood. >> you could hear a deep snoring, sucking air sound. and this went on for more than an hour and a half. >> family members of his victims see nothing wrong with what happened. >> everybody is more worried about did he suffer. who really suffered was my dad and my sister when they were killed. >> wood had been on death row since those murders in 1989. his lawyers appealed, questioning the controversial cocktail of drugs that put him to death. the same combination used in an execution that took 25 minutes in ohio in january. >> why the state would pick those two same drugs for mr. wood's execution, i don't know. >> reporter: arizona's state aclu wants executions put on hold. the corrections department says it followed protocol and governor jan brewer says while she's concerned about the length of the execution, it was legal. for jeannie brown, who has waited years to see her family's
killer put to death, it was simply two more hours waiting for justice. >> this man deserved it and i shouldn't really call him a man. he deserved everything he had coming to him. >> remember, it was a botched execution in oklahoma this spring that really set off that national debate about lethal injection. in that instance clayton lockett was pronounced dead after 43 minutes, mika. >> thank you very much. you know, it's hard to believe that they still use that caulk -- that drug cocktail at this point. it didn't work now obviously more than once. >> well, the issue is they don't have a cocktail, a set of -- a mix of drugs they know that is foolproof and people have been asking to get more information about what drugs are being used. authorities are saying no, you can't have that information because we're worried that the manufacturers would be targeted by groups, by people concerned about the death penalty. but we are a country is very rare in the fact that we do
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well, the clock is ticking on congress to see if they can do anything on a border bill before heading home. we'll get the latest on what kind of bill can make it through the house or the senate with democratic congressman jim clyburn as well as a senator. the ban on u.s. airliners into israel ban has been lifted as secretary kerry tries to bring the violence to a temporary end. and also this morning, democrats are hoping for a wave of women voters to bring them success in november. how much of an uphill fight will that be? good morning from washington. it's thursday, july 24th, 2014, this is "the daily rundown." just seven days before congress heads home.
welcome back. it's about the last minute campaigning and bill clinton is going to be in florida stumping for charlie that state. the blue state democrat is currently locked in a tight race with rub with republican larry monday edition of "morning joe" starts right now. good morning, it's monday, november 3rd, big week ahead of us here on "morning joe." with us onset we have the chairman of deutsche incorporated donnie deutsche. >> this is like espn. >> is that what we call them? political analyst and professor at nyu former congressman harold
ford jur. and we have the managing editor of bloomberg politics mark halper halperin. and white house correspondent for the "wall street journal." >> hello over there. >>. i think ben roethlisberger was awesome last night. >> there's a lot to get to. >> we're going to let you stand along a train track spaced 20 yards apart and shout at each other. >> can i go to the headlines, they are really good. >> what are you thinking? >> i think it's going to be a painful day. >> for you? >> perhaps. >> does that mean big republican sweep? >> i'm thinking. let's see. despite millions of dollars spent, new polls show the senate may be slipping out of democrats hands. the gap is widening in states
where they were trying to hold on and tightening in states they were safely blue. senator jeanne shaheen is clinging to a lead inside the margin of error in new hampshire. senator kay hagan in north carolina up just 1 on republican thom tillis. the same poll has pat roberts catching up to orman. mitch mcconnell is expanding his lead and his chances to become majority leader. in iowa republican joni ernst has opened her lead to 7. bruce braley is trending downward losing his home congressional district. still the balance of power may not be settled on wednesday morning, but louisiana's democrat is lead iing by 8 poin. if she doesn't win outright, it shows her trailing bill cassidy. and though republican david perdue is up in michigan, that
state is likely headed to a runoff. in georgia runoffs last nine weeks and perdue is favored. joe, tell us how this looks to you. >> you know, it looks like thing rg trending the republican direction. it still does not look like 1994, 2006, 2010. it could. i mean maybe the democratic turnout is going to be miserable and maybe the republican turnout is going to be extraordinary. you still see a lot of close rac races. republicans doing very well in some states, but you can't get the band out and sing happy days are here again because they are still fighting in north carolina. they are still fighting in kansas. they are still fighting in georgia. they are still fighting in louisiana and maybe mark halperin, that goes to the republican party. but anything could happen. one of two things are going to. happen. one, the republicans are going to learn from the mistakes in the turnout game from 2012.
>> it might be. >> and they are going to take back the senate and have the big night. or two, they didn't learn those lessons and don't know how to target voters and democrats are going to hold on. which one? >> democrat strategy was three things. . eliminate the republicans as unacceptable choices, too extreme. change the debate to be about economic issues and three, the turn. out game. they failed on two of of the three. so the turnout is all they have. it may be enough in some places to allow them to win. >> why is it so close in kansas? why still close in georgia? why still close in louisiana? i think it could be a big republican night. i am not throwing water on the games that we have seen. that iowa poll people saying 7 points, it's not 7 points. the des moines register poll is the gold standard out there. they get it right.
i find it hard to believe iowa is not now in the republican safe. >> where republicans have had good candidates like in georgia and iowa, they are doing better. >> donnie deutsche, democrats also in colorado, and i have had democratic operatives and say this and sortd of cringe. they have talked about the colorado race where democrats were so intent on trying to make the republicans seem extreme on women's issues they are turning into the clown show the republican party has been. and i'm talking top ranking democratic strategists who have run the democratic world saying, come on, we assume that women only care about contraception? most women know that debate was over a long time ago. women care about jobs, wages,
the rich getting richer. they care about education, their kids going off to college and not having a job out of college. it's really sort of been -- >> you're going to wake up wednesday very happy. >> why is that? >> it's going to go republican. >> i'm not sure that's going to make him happy. >> somebody on twitter said your party is going to win. i said, are you reading the things my party -- don't know what my party is. >>. the republicans will win. there's two little pieces of nugg nuggets that are good news for republicans in '16 and beyond. i was fascinated in a recent poll of my len yells are leadin republicans. the republicans have figured out we are never going to win another election unless somehow we appeal to that audience. my final point, this is the best
thing that happened to barack obama. >> it's hard for a republican sitting here to say this buzz people say -- you're right, barack obama still believed in 2012 that if you won reelection republicans would suddenly say, he's legitimized and we're going to work with him. . it's going to take i think this final step for him to go, do i want to get things done or not. and for republicans to then have no where are excuses, they are either going to make capitol hill work or screw it up and if they screw it up for two years, they will lose in 2016. >> i think it's the best thing for the country as far as accountability. do you want to run washington or do you want to run your mouth? >> that's good. senate major ri leader harry reid says a win for joni ernst
in iowa would all but ensure he'd lose his majority status. tom harkin drew criticism on buzzfeed. >>. this senate race i've been watching some of these it ads. they are sort of this sense that joni ernst, she's really attractive. she sounds nice. i u got to thinking about that. i don't care if she's as good looking as taylor swift or as nice as mr. rogers, but if she votes like michele bachmann, she's wrong for the state of iowa. >> actually that's a good point. it's true. if a republican said that, it would be over. carol lee, might that backfire? >> yeah, i think it might. if there's one thing that any
politician, particularly a seasoned one like harkin should know, you don't talk about women's looks in that way. i was in iowa last week and the ernst campaign is very in tune to these kinds of things and is very quick to jump on anything that has remotely a whiff of sexism attached to it. so it's just not something that belongs in a race like this and it's sort of surprising to hear it coming from somebody who understands the state and has been around for so long. >> so what was your feeling when you were out there when you were reporting in iowa last week? did you see a trend? did you feel a trend going joni ernst's way? >> you did, and i was there with her for a couple of events. and i was with vice president biden did an event with braley. i talked to a bunch of voters at that event and some coming to that event had voted for barack
obama in 2008 and 2012 and had regretted voting for him. so the presence of the president in a state like iowa was dominant. joni ernst talks a about it a ton. anyone who has watched her, she's a natural on the campaign trail. so she had a lot of appeal with the voters there. definitely down on the president and really looking for somebody different. she seems to be tapping into some kind of sentiment there. it looks like she's going to end up winning. >> can you imagine a female candidate saying that about a male? i can't, it just wouldn't happen. >> i was degraded because they would always say that about me. because he's so good looking and has such chiselled features. nobody has ever say that about me. it's actually stupid that somebody would say that after
being in politics that long. >> e she hasn't put out a campaign that's anything that's serious, humorous and very much in the fight. >> can i ask carol a question? >> i will ask a question. >> isn't this how this game works. donnie was talking about millennials are a snapshot. this could change tomorrow. and we're going to have polling saying millennials are trending republican right now. hispanics still supporting democrats, but not the way they did a couple years ago. you go state by state by state, republicans will show you the gender gap in many states now slunk. what has happened to the democratic party that they are most loyal voters? i would say of african-american voters have departed. >> two years ago republicans
know in missouri and indiana cannot agree on a simple criminal definition of rape. it's certainly impacted the races where you should have elected republican senators but they did well. as you look at hispanic voters, there's more of a kinship with republicans and democrats on those issues. if republicans can talk about immigration reform, you can fundamentally change the map for them over the next few years. i would argue if republicans win the most important thing they win the senate is sequencing. how they go about what they want to do. if they try the affordable care act, all bets are off. if they start with a narrow tax reform bill, trade promotion authority, if they start with some energy reform, keystone, lifting the ban on natural gas exports, they could change the wa optics. if they do that, those are the things that would help appeal
not only to the millennials but help the to move the country forward. >> actually have a message. >> this is obviously luckily for the republicans. i want someone to answer the question why this guy is at 42% if i'm giving him talking points, gas is under $3, pass the most important legislation in 50 years, save the auto industry, kill osama bin laden. >> i know, what's the deal? >> the medium is the message. >> donnie, explain that. barack obama is why barack obama is important. >> let me get to the governors races. >> you both said this. number one, the president is not as comfortable as talking about business success as other presidents. and you said it a few weeks ago. ebola and isis, the enormous
unknowns have colored this race and impacted these races negatively in the last few weeks. >> mark halperin, i'm going to show you the governors races. one point separates scott walker in wisconsin. rapid fire here. in florida one of the nastiest races of all, charlie crist has a lead. >> who wins that one? >> democrats are crazy confident about that race. i'm not sure why. but libertarian is helping crist. >> if the national win counts in wisconsin, it counts in florida and will carry both of those over. >> except charlie crist is a better candidate. >> i don't know the national win
matters because governors have their own record and not barack obama. >> jason carter trailing in georgia but close to nathan deal. >> if there's a run-off maybe u. >> brownback is down to paul davis. >>. a fox news poll what happened? >> he just thought people were arrogant. that's pretty close to certainty. >> doesn't that help orman? >> orman cannot count on that. >> i don't know if i'm a republican that's going to vote against a republican governor and vote democratic for the first time in my life, i don't know i'm going to go democratic twice. >> orman is an independent. >> he's a democrat. he had claire mccaskill begging him to run because he was the democrat's best chance of holding the seat. >> you know that, but his message has been they are
disciplined. >> i always told people. as far as -- my family was a crest family. colgate commercials mean nothing to us. we bought crest. if you're in kansas, i'm not joking here, this works. if you're in kansas and your brand is republican, you may deviate from that brand one time. i don't know you deviate from it twice. i actually think voting against brownback could help roberts. >> if orman wins, think about it also that the talk about an independent running for president, it grows largely because you see the path. if it can happen in kansas. >> halperin, you're running for president? one final thing. for all of you pundits and pollsters out there saying greg orman is an independent and we don't know if he's a democrat or a republican, i'm taking bets
right now on whether if he wins he's going to caucus with the republican party or democratic party. i'll give you 5 to 1 odds that he caucuses with the democratic party. you know he's not going to caucus with the republicans so just quit. >> all right. we're going to end the block this way because we're going to be doing so much politics. . it was a magic night for 19-year-old lauren hill with an inoperable brain tumor whose dream was to play college hoops in cincinnati. knowing hill has just weeks to live, the ncaa moved up the state of her team's opening game to last night and she would be healthy enough to play. hill scored four points make the first and last baskets in the victory here. here's hill after the game. >> i just feel so blessed that
this is all happening. i'm just really happy. this is a really good day. this just -- it makes meso happy. >> beautiful. ncaa did good. still ahead on "morning joe," a daring feat in the windy city as nik wallenda breaks two world records. >> i did this in '78. >> i u think the story we just did is much more interesting. we'll talk to him in our 7:00 hour. first man's best friend sides with the cops over his meth-cooking owner. that's a problem. did your dog turn you in? you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. you probably know xerox
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let's take a look at the morning pap. brittney maynard who has become the face of the right to die movement ended her life on saturday after being diagnosed in january with aggressive terminal brain cancer. maynard moved from northern california to oregon to gain access to the state's death with dignity laws. this fall she became a spokesperson for advocates of assisted dying after posting this video discussing her decision. on saturday as planned she took a life-ending prescription in her bedroom surrounded by loved on ones. she was 29 years old. we look at this from the "washington post." a series of setbacks for the coalitions efforts to defeat islamic state militants. in syria fighters linked to al qaeda have defeated
u.s.-supported rebels. the militants seizing weapons and numerous defections were also reported. then many iraq the country's government is confirming that isis is responsible for killing 300 members of a sunni tribe in ann bar province. these are strikes carried out in retaliation for that massacre. u.s. officials say iraqi security forces are planning to launch a major offensive. it includes training 20,000 troop oefrs the next few months. >> do you like going to sporting events? >> sometimes. >> pi love track meets. i went to one this weekend. >> it's a good thing that you live here and not in iran. >> why? >> because you could be thrown in jail. >> "the los angeles times" says a woman was sentenced to prison for trying to watch a men's volleyball match.
the 25-year-old british-iranian woman was arrested outside a stadium in tehran in june while protesting a ban on women attending games. >> what's wrong with those people? >> women are also banned from attending soccer games. >> seriously? >> we look at this. one of the most headlines grabbing people, kaci hickox, the nurse speaking out after successfully challenging maine's attempt to force her into a mandatory quarantine following her return from west africa. in an interview on "meet the press", new jersey governor chris christie initially placed her in isolation because, quote, an abundance of politics was at play. she's also promising to limit her activity at home in maine. >> i understand that the community has been through a lot in the past week and that i do, you know, apologize to them for
that. i will not go into crowded public places. i have had a few friends come visit me in my home and that's absolutely fantastic. >> okay. "usa today," a brave pooch in. alabama helped lead local officials to his owner wanted for allegedly producing crystal meth. he ran out of his back-door when police arrived with a drug warrant and officers lost sight of where he went. they asked his dog to go get him. and that's exactly what he did. bo led authorities to henderson, who was booked on five counts -- dogs are smart. he's cute. i like that dog. >> a good-looking dog though. coming up, the rise and the fall of the so-called insurgent candidates of the republican
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it's costly. 29 past the hour. joining us for the opinion pages, couldn't wait to get on this set and start gloating, the editor of the weekly standard, bill crystal. >> she's nice to e me. there are reasons she might want to behave with you. >> the chief white house correspondent mike allen. we're going to start with "new york times" how obama lost america. carol lee is still with us. president obama's approval rating on foreign policy is around 35% in most recent polling. the public isn't necessarily turning neoconservative or pining for days of bush. instead it mostly reflects a results-based verdict on what
seems like poor execution in the slow response to isis is a piece of the obama care rollout and second term asleep at the moments. it's a problem of leadership that reflects badly on liberalism but doesn't vindicate conservatism. >> let's stop there. bill crystal, you made a great point on this yesterday. this isn't a validation of what washington, d.c. republicans have done over the past couple years. this is more of a condemnation of barack obama's leadership. not even ideology, just poor leadership. >> i think it is ideology to some degree. most are referendum on the president and this will be a negative one for barack obama. a lot of consultants will take credit. but i was laughing, joni ernst who has been a fantastic candidate in iowa. most of the republican consultant community, most of the d.c. sharks like mark jac s
jacobs. remember him? the self-funding business. man, they love a self-funder. >> write big checks. >> he was the guy. joni ernst, we never heard of her. it's amaze musing when the d.c. republicans take credit. >> do republicans take over the senate pretty easily? >> i think so. i'm normally a pessimist, but i continue to be. >> virginia is a real outside shot. >> it will end up with nine or ten seats. kansas may lose. it's fun to lose a state that everyone thought two months ago. what did d.c. republicans do? they moved heaven and earth to nominate pat roberts. let's see how close it is. >> before we get to mark, if there's a republican sweep, is it going to be because everybody
wants to repeal obama care and make changes that republicans were hinging their yit on or is it something else? >> what are you hearing out there when you're reporting? >> it's just a general dissatisfaction with the way that washington is working. the republicans have an edge because of the president -- the democratic president is in power. i think what's most interesting to me and our "wall street journal" poll is the number where 67% of voters want the president to move in a different direction. that's a really big number. and it was the most standout number in that poll and that includes 47% of democrats. so either way that things go on tuesday, the president is under a lot of pressure to make some sort of dramatic change. that's the other question, is he going to do that? history would show you he's not necessarily a guy who does make
dramatic changes in moments like this. but certainly there's a desire in the country for some kind of break in the gridlock in washington and for the president to move in a new direction. >> you're exactly right. unlike bill clinton who after he lost brought in dick morris, do not expect dick morris to be brought into this white house. in 2006 after george w. bush got creamed, don rumsfeld was out the next day. the republican party leadership may be seeing a tipping point when it comes to its recent struggle for insurgent candidates. this is mainstream republicans may have won this year. >> four years ago today, the banner headlines in all the paper were gop takes house and rand paul was elected to the senate. that was an outsider insurgent break china class of candidates. the republicans were ahead this
year though are very different. much more, as you say, main line, chamber of commerce. the republicans did this cleverly and under the radar. the party outside groups spent big, worked hard to keep out the christine o'donnells, to keep out the todd aikens and get electable candidates. the most important thing in this story is republicans now say they are going to run this playbook in 2016. american crossroads saying they are going to push this message of an electable candidate, not just someone who satisfies the base. >> i just don't know if american crossroads can take credit for the republican elect rat saying we're just not going to elect dumb candidates. we actually may want to rwin th senate. we may want harry reid out of power. and i think they have made that decision time and again.
anyone watching from d.c. who is a consultant who raises lots of money from dumb rich people, they should just really go back to how well they did in 2012. >> crossroads did spend some money, but a lot goes to the campaign committee which gave them some training. very basic stuff the democrats have done for two cycles. bill, my question for you, republicans have smartly kept the message on if you want change in washington, you have to vote for republicans. did they emerge from this if republicans keep the house? do they emerge with any ideas to say u to the president, look, we want and therefore voters wanted us to do x? >> they have a mandate for some changes they could get the president to sign like energy legislation. >> if they run on that, do you think the president will take the message? >> that's a good question for the president. you'll find republicans wanting to show many more than they should to get things done. if the president comes to that
on energy. legislation, modifications and obamacare, on this point that mike allen was making. there's some bad tea party candidates in 2010 and 2012. the establishment gave us george allen and tommy thompson. >> pat roberts. >> the establishment it did not tell tom cotton to run. >> the establishment told tom cotton. >> the truth is one reason republicans are doing well, and i have said this before, the quality of candidates. a lot of younger candidates, not traditional career politicians. it's a mix. those who said the tea party establishment would destroy the republican party, they have united pretty well behind pretty attractive candidates. cotton, gardener, ernst. >> you actually really have seen sort of some of the tea party
ideas delivered with mainstream sensibilities. >> the main thing the media decided obamacare doesn't count. the top issue people voting for joni ernst is obamacare. both moving towards repeal but setting forward a serious alternative to obamacare. that is key. >> early on when the history of this cycle is written, tough go early on and you have to look at all of the obamacare commercials that flooded the early states, drove the numbers of these democratic senators down. it's not happening now, but they were smart. they did it in january, february, march and they drove those numbers straight down requiring democrats to spend a lot of money early. that actually was the smart tactical move of this campaign. >> mike allen, thank you very much. bill crystal, stay with us. still ahead, it gets physical at a nascar race in texas. what caused jeff gordon to
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and i always try to explain. i have members of my family who i love and have bad ideas. i still love them. i just wouldn't put them in charge. right? you all got somebody in your family like that. you're going to have them over for thanksgiving, but you don't want to put them in charge. >> that was president obama in michigan over the weekend. >> i said something like that to newt. i said it's not personal. if my mother were running congress the way you were running congress, i would run her out of town. >> mary jo would do a great job. tom bechb and with us on onset political correspondent casey hu hunt. >> you guys do the averages better. iowa, des moines register poll, it really took the breath out of a lot of democrats in that
state. what's the number look like there? >> that poll was a kick in the gut for democrats. with ernst up 7 points, that kicked her up to 1.8%. the des moines register poll is a bigger lead than any other poll, but also one of the most accurate polls in that state. >> it always is. it somehow even figures the caucuses out right. i have never figured out how they do it. it's the gold standard for polls. >> it is. she doesn't wait for party i.d.s. she calls people and gets responses. that's one of the debates in the polling community. that poll really concerns democrats. >> what about kansas? fascinating race. >> yeah, as we have seen, orman is up less than 1% in the average. this is a state where we'd like to see more polling. there hasn't been a lot of polling there. i don't know if we're going to get anymore today as a final round, but this is as close to a toss-up as you can possibly have. >> casey hunt, you know
everything, who is going to win? is this the most fascinating race? >> the one thing i think is most interesting about kansas is even republicans will acknowledge they are prepared for that to be unsettled on election day. they think it it's going to be that close and they are prepared to go to a recount if they need to. >> one word on kansas. he might win, you just got to assume it's a 43-43 race. the undecided go to the challengers. i'm pessimistic about kansas. >> so the moderate republican party started in the 1978 in california. tax cuts, tax cuts, for good. reason because taxes were so high. i really believe, and i'll ask this because you'll undercut me.
>> there's a good balance o of republicans on this panel. >> which is which? >> an open heart as wide as iowa skies. but going back to brownback in kansas, cut taxes, cut education, the deficit has exploded and their mainstream republicans that said he shouldn't have cut taxes. is this sort of -- is this a closing of a chapter of just mindless tax cuts at all costs within the republican party? >> i think if you look closely, he cut taxes on the wealthy and on corporations assuming that would stimulate growth. it doesn't produce as many revenues. he had to cut education. he split his own party. the tax cuts were more populous. they did try to give tax cuts to middle class and working class. that's the way the republican party goes. brownback is a lesson of the
orthodox tax reform agenda is not politically viable. the bill from the chairman, it's more like brownback's tax cuts than like a reagan camp. >> you're exactly right. it's got to be working class and middle class. the poor are getting poorer. billionaires getting 14% tax rates while their secretaries are paying 28%. i have never had one boo me when i said it is time to make billionaires pay a a minimum 28% tax. every republican i have ever spoken to outside of washington, d.c. agrees with me. it's obscene. a 14% tax rate for billionaires is obscene. tax cuts going to the richest of the rich is a policy that's going to cause brownback his seat. >> if paul ryan is smart, he can
redo the bill and make it much more populous. it will increase his influence and set a tone for the presidential race. if i say one thing about the senate, if bill is right that republicans lose kansas. if i'm right that michelle is going to be a stronger run-off candidate and if new hampshire goes democratic and north carolina stays democratic, that makes the democrats not have an unbelievable path to keeping the majority. >> can i say, and yesterday i said i made a lot of people. unhappy by saying great candidate, going to run a great race, going to do better than his father, still going to lose. michelle nunn a great candidate, no way she's going to get the majority in a run-off that nobody is paying attention to. they are paying closer to the s.e.c. championship game than that race. >> control of the senate is at stake, she can win the run-off. >> north carolina, what's it look like there?
>> kay hagan is hanging on in the average. >> that is a crazy race. >> that thing has been close but nothing. still ahead, how will young voters impact tomorrow's election? we take a deeper look at the a poll from harvard university. but first, this play is pretty good representation of how the jets season has been going. let's see. that's kind of a bad day. we'll be right back with the weekend's nfl action, next. wethey were a littlehorizons to mbit skeptical.ss, what they do actually is rocket science. but at ge capital we also bring expertise from across ge, like lean process engineers we asked who does what, when, where, and why that step first? ideas for improvement started pouring out. with a little help from us, they actually doubled their output speed. if you just need a loan, just call a bank. at ge capital, we're builders. and what we know... can help you grow.
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as promised we're going to give you some nfl highlights from this weekend. we'll get to the kansas city game in a second. . we want to start in nebraska pe for one of the league's greatest quarterback rivalries. tom brady throwing for 333 yards. the patriotings beat the broncos, 43-21. despite a 438 passing day for manning. new england now the best record in the afc at 7-2. >> people wrote them off five weeks ago. >> you saw this play. from kansas city, we get the jets trying to notch a win with
michael vick at quarterback. luck isn't on their side. we're going to show it again. check out the play. the pass deflected, lands right in the lap of the tight end who just happens to be sitting in the perfect spot. watch the ball get deflected. >> are you kidding me? >> hands it right over. he was right near the goal line so he lungs for the score. dropping to 1-8 after a loss to kansas city. >> all very upsetting. >> i'm a jets fan and i'm rooting against them at this point. they are unwatchable. >> this is from nascar's sprint cup race. jeff gordon and brad keselowski making contact. as jimmie johnson is there celebrating his victory, gordon confronts keselowski. a brawl between the drivers and crew members. everybody is getting involved. gordon the second competitor to fon confront kez lousy ski.
they will review the brawl and penalties could be issued. they have a lot of firsts to review. >> they are dragging guys off. >> that's dangerous stuff. people get killed. >> hafryou're a busy guy, but d you see the ole miss and auburn game? >> ole miss played their hearts out. >> an inch away from winning that game. >> their defense played a heck of a game. the quarterback fumble, i hope he's okay. >> straight ahead, they are at 3 and alabama is 4. the crazy thing is 4 of the 5 best teams are from alabama or mississippi. >> their schedule is too tough. >> florida state, they are not good. florida state is just not good.
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welcome back to "morning joe." mark halperin is still with us. joining us is moderator of "meet the press" chuck todd. >> we brought chuck in for an important reason. we're going to make sure he garn teens miami wins. >> i'm optimistic. >> she's not that good. >> we can all take the bus there. >> and many washington, msnbc political contributor and editor of the fix, "the washington post" chris. >> if he does join isis, then
fsu will at least make him sit out for a half. i'm sorry. >> nobody likes your joke. >> i offended people in new york. >> do you think that fsu would actually make him sit out for a half? >> stop, it's not funny. >> coach's decision. >> they would threaten it. >> i have refused -- >> they get away with literally everything. there's a lot to talk about in the news. chuck is uncomfortable. i'm joking about fsu being so lenient with their quarterback. he can do anything. >> tuscaloosa pd is on top of those alabama players. >> i guarantee you if one of our
guys joined isis, they would sit out a whole game. >> you're going to go to the corner. turn around. nobody wants to see you right now. >> harvard is undefeated by the way. i'm going to the game this year. >> fight fiercely. harvard, fight, fight, fight. >> despite millions of dollars spent, new polls show the senate may be slipping out of democrat's hands. the gap is widening in states where they were trying to hold on and tight i think in states they were to be safely blue. senator jeanne shaheen is clinging to a lead in new hampshire. democratic senator kay hagan in north carolina just 1 on republican thom tillis. pat roberts is catching up to greg orman but still trailing. mitch mcconnell is expanding his lead and his chances to become marriagety leader.
in iowa joni ernst has opened her lead to 7. bruce braley is trending downward even losing in his home district. the balance of power may not be settled on wednesday morning. a democrat is leading in louisiana's primary by 8 points, but a head to head run-off shows her trailing bill cassidy and republican david perdue is up over michelle nunn in georgia. that state also is likely headed to a run-off. in georgia, runoffs last nine weeks and perdue is favored. i have u a headache. . >> we have so much to talk about. chuck, i have been saying for months. no trend that suggests a way u. you wake up and see the des moines poll, you see mitch mcconnell now up by 8 or 9 in kentucky. you certainly may not be. a massive republican night, but certainly the senate is well,
well within reach now. >> definitely within reach. but i have to say i have been looking at our poll all night. the final poll is always -- it's very close to where things are nationally at the end. we show a one-point tick in the democrat's direction. we showed interest in the election is only a 1-point difference between the two parties. you have a republican party that's more unpopular today than in 2010. this is not what a republican wave looks like. so i have to say, you see the evidence in iowa. you see frankly evidence in georgia where it seems to a runoff is only a 30% chance. and yet there is the counternumbers -- >> state by state by state. >> i think chuck would agree it's different from 2010. president obama's approval rating. >> it's only about 2 points lower than it was in 2010.
and look, this could be all about obama. the whole thing could be about that. i'm just saying, there's something that democrats are fighting about this election. >> it's partly about obama. but the quality of candidates, we were talking about this off air, the quality of candidates matters. it's not like you looked at a map and said iowa and colorado, they are going to go republican. they are going republican because. joni ernst ran a great campaign. >> what are they winning on? >> candidates matter. >> of course. candidates matter a lot. and i think we're way too much looking at data and way too much looking at the models. the individual campaigns have mattered hugely. bruce braley has been a terrible candidate. . >> because tough go state by state, it's not going to be a classic wave election like '64,
'74, '94, 2006. mark halperin you brought up a fascinating point. the president's schedule the next two days? >> at the white house. >> the president is staying home. >> as of now. but he's off the trail. not even out for house candidates. >> even george w. bush was come paining. >> he was actually. i think he was in some races. >> i will say, though, in the senate races, it's hard to beat incumbent democratic senators. republicans have spent a long time since they picked off more than two incumbents. they have to beat a lot of incumbents. they are fight iing hard to hol their jobs. again, you have to say democrats are not objective. you talk to all of my sources, republican and democrat, republicans unbridled
confidence, democrat, some are already gaming out. how can we maybe keep enough close enough to win the senate back. >> i always go back to 1998. these cycles of bill clinton and barack obama have been so eerily similar. republicans win a right wing landsli landslide. two years later, the new democrat wins. and two years later, what happened in '98? we were thinking huge republican win. we almost lost the house and newt lost his job. >> there was overreach. >> exactly. that's happening here. i got to stop mark here. there's no national republican message. if the republican party, if we republicans win, what is our message the day after? >> if you want change, you got to change your senator. >> what is the message?
>> i'm not saying it's a lofty. >> i'll go change my outfit. that doesn't do anything. >> that's not a message. that's not a mandate. >> it may be enough for them to take control of the senate. >> what about the day after? >> one thing about '97, bill clinton signed welfare reform. he cut a deal with the congress on tax and budget policy. he had a strong economy in '98. barack obama didn't think it was a mandate to go after. republicans have to confront good campaigns. they have ignored the leads. republicans will do better with hispanics in 2014 having resisted the gang of eight bill than they did in 2012. >> i want to get the fix on tom harkin. chris, senator majority leader said e he would lose his status.
an outgoing senator tom harkin drew fire for this comment about joni ernst that surfaced over the weekend on buzzfeed. take a look. >> in this senate race, i have been watching some of these ads. there's sort of this sense of joni ernst, she's really attractive. and she sounds nice. but i got to thinking about that. i don't care if she's as good looking as taylor swift. or as nice as mr. rogers. but if she votes like michele bachmann, she's wrong for the state of iowa. [ applause ] >> that's interesting, chris. she's real purdy. i don't know i would have expected that from tom harkin. tell us what you make of iowa. obviously, a big poll came out
yesterday. but what's tomorrow look like to you? >> that's the one, i think, if you're looking at how the whole country is going to shake out. i think bill makes the right point. we probably wouldn't have thought iowa would be the big. race six months ago. bruce braley has been bad. joni ernst has been good. candidates do matter. i think tom harkin, look, if a republican said that a democratic candidate was winning because at least in part because she's attractive, which is what tom harkin said, it's not a great thing. it's going to change the race. i can't imagine it's going to change the race. but would bruce braley rather tom harkin say that? yeah, probably, because part of joni ernst coalition is to win women who live in and around des moines who are probably socially liberal, moderate, fiscally conservative to the extent there's a tron say, the only
reason he's winning is because she's a woman. that can get you going to vote. >> let's turn to some of the tight governor races across the country. somebody here has to keep things moving along. just one point separates mary burke and scott walker in wisconsin. >> a week ago, i would say burke. he's not in a winning campaign. i would argue he's lost the campaign, but he can still win the election. >> is that for 2016? >> i think he's already damaged. >> i think he will win by 3 or 4 points. everyone will say, whoa, scott walker wins three elections in wisconsin. that's impressive. >> it's sort of a mindness to christie. >> that was excellent the way he slapped down chris christie.
>> chris christie, i like chris, by chairman of the governors association and he goes into iowa twice in the last ten days to campaign for branstad who is only up 25 points. >> i said terry branstad, chris christie is trying to get him over 60. he's at 59. we have to get 62. >> walker has been pinned down for a long time. it's hard for him to catch up. >> in florida one of the nastiest races of all has charlie crist with a narrowest of leads. >> that is just an ugly, ugly, ugly race. >> they tweeted out the results of that. 526 respondents chose charlie crist. 524 chose his opponent. this is a classic example of we
hate both of them. literally. they are both so deeply unliked. not just because of this race. rick scott his first four years, very unpopular. charlie crist was a republican, then independent, now a democrat. you saw $70 million spent on tv. i just want it to be over. >> rick scott, let's talk about that. rick scott actually became, i think in a way, he became sort of a trend setter in a way you wouldn't want to become a trend setter of what we're going to see more of of the big money in politics. he was a 35% on the day he was sworn into office. it's the first time i ever saw that. this year we're going to see it a lot. >> most of the winners on election night are going to be under water. it's weird.
they are going to win -- it's this negative environment and all the money that was spent. i look at this scott skpras you sit there and say he barely won in an incredible republican year in 2010. how does he -- that's it. if he were running against anybody else, he's probably down 5 points. . if there were a tom wolf type candidate that came out of nowhere? >> democratic in florida is that they had to get a republican who switched parties? >> if graham is a member of congress after tomorrow, then all of a sudden they have a bench. >>. let's go to georgia. jason carter trailing in georgia, but close to incumbent nathan deal. and the kbov nor of kansas is now down 6 to democrat paul davis. >> brownback, no one liked him. but he's getting pounded in a state he should be 10 points
ahead in. >> he passed a tax reform measure in a way that rubbed a lot of insiders a wrong way and made him feel like he didn't have a winning formula. he's also been someone who overflossed with the kind of populous deal you need to have to keep the party united. i think he will probably lose in kansas. >> what's that mean? >> iowa could go republican for governor and senate. kansas will go democrat probably for governor and perhaps for senate. >> populism is back. >> it's not like they never elected a democratic governor. it does show the populous trend, anti-obama sentiment, this anti-wall street sentiment. some of which is healthy. but the republicans were running the more populous campaigns. >> you have a smurky twinkle in your eye.
>> that's a very high compliment. >> the last time we were all together. i used a cheap slur on the new york 11 guys comparing them. it was a cheap. >> can i say -- >> it was offensive to some italian friends of mine. >>. i said some things that i thought was kind of funny. if i had to start apologizing for things. >> i hear you going down that road. it was wrong. >> by the way, michael graham, is that his name? i saw his poll, he's up by like 12. he threatens to throw reporters off a balcony. what was i doing when i was running for reelection? >> spend five minutes reading the staten island newspapers endorsement of michael graham.
they endorsed michael. it happened last week. put it into the google machine. it is amazing. it basically says, yes, he's been indicted, yes, we have heard some things about him with a gun. i was like, but he's still better than the other guy. it's the anti-endorsing endorsement. >> by the way, i'm gook l iing right now. chuck, does miami beat fsu? >> i think they can. still ahead on "morning joe," daredevil nik wallenda. >> he has an act for danger. walking two tight ropes suspended 200 feet in the air. he joins us later this hour. first, tragedy in the sky. . >> this is the crash of a virgin spaceship raising question about the future of space travel. we'll be right back.
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right there on a o'indication, both candidates are of high integrity. this race is nothing like that. >> no. >> they talk about the choice that we have in making an endorsement in a race could not be much uglier. >> he's running on the thug line. >> joining us is the director of polling at the harvard university and also the director of the earth institute dr.
jeffrey saks. >> we talked about the my lel yans trending more republican than democratic. every time you hear that a certain demographic group is locked down forever for one party, i go back to karl rove's permanent majority statement. what's your take away from this poll? why are young voters trending more republican right now? >> i think the most important thing to understand is things go in cycles. think about this. we started in 2000. this is the 26th survey. democrats were plus 2 in the 2000 election np plus 2 in the 2002 election. it wasn't until katrina, george bush, good campaign by john kerry. he won the youth vote. and barack obama cemented them for several years. now we're resetting this generation and thinking about both parties the same way. they want to have a conversation and make a difference. >> isn't it a good reminder for
both parties don't take anything for granted? don't take any bloc of voters for granted? >> both parties are despised. the country does not like washington. and unfortunately no matter what happens, we're going to continue to get the kind of politics that the public doesn't want. >> jeffrey, you and i have talked about debt now for seven, eight years on this show. i would like somebody to tell me what major statewide candidate has brought up in a meaningful way entitlement reform, driving down health care costs in a meaningful way. instead we get these stupid 30-second commercials that it don't address the real issues. i think the key is follow the money. this is really going to be known atz billionaires election. there's so much money come figure from big money.
most of it well disguised so it won't even be reported until after the election. what seems to be going on is oil and election. big money from the left. but the huge money is oil and gas money. you can look at the numbers and the left and the right are both equal. it's like the arms rice rays between the soviets and the americans. it's equal. you can say big oil all you want to. that's not factually accurate. >> where's the big money? the big money is with the big oil companies. >> the total money is not equal.
wait, wait, wait. >> the koch brothers by themselves are putting $300 million in sboo this election. >> you're a one trick pony u. you say koch brothers, koch brothers, koch brothers. when you get on the money, one area you always talk about oil and gas when there are environmentalists on the left that are putting in millions and millions. if you add up all the money, and i'm going to ask you to choose sides, but add up all the money. it's about income on both sides. >> it's not that people are thinking about either, but go ahead. >> number two, we asked them, who is to blame in washington, d.c. it's not obama, it's everybody. a significant majority say everybody. the message about this poll is
they are not pathetic. they care about the country. >> we're grown ups at this table. >> we just follow the money. >> november 2008 when you watched obama come out in chicago, you couldn't help but say, wow. and of course, we are are disappointed. now take the millennialmillenni disappointment they must have. they had a promise. they had a ray of sunshine. and i think an instant gratification generation is going to be more profoundly disappointed than us adults and i think that has a lot to do with it. >> i think about this generation as having two halves. the first was part of the obama movement. it started in 2006. the second half came of age during the great recession when they saw their parents and their friends lose their houses and jobs. >> how important was that?
isn't that a game changer? every time they went to best buy, they could get a cd. i sat around and looking. there was so much money. even in the middle class. and now they graduate from college. they have good degrees, great degrees even. and they don't find work for two or three or four years. how much of an impact does that have? then you take a working class person that doesn't go to college. >> it's a game-changer. focus groups around the country, people break down in tears asking about the economy's impact on them. >> if you don't talk about big money, i promise to ask you a question. >> i think this is important to you and important to me. it's another area we agree the rich are getting richer.
average wages have gone down since 1973. average wages down. not republican, not democrat, it's a society. and yet i hear nobody talking in a meaningful way about how we erase that. >> that's correct. >> so how do we connect millennials to an election process that talks about contraception, benghazi, all these issues that for most 18 and 19-year-olds, they just -- they want to know where they are going to get their next job. >> even though the labor market is relatively good right now, unemployment has come down, the wages are falling buzz of technological change, because if you don't have the skills, you can't get a decent job because the old kinds of jobs are gone. and nobody wants to discuss this because these are deeper structural changes skblp they are structural. you can't talk about that in a 30-second ad, can you?
that's another challenge this country is facing. >> they have done research. the effectiveness of negative ads is 90% more profound than nonnegative ads because you can attach facts. even if they are false to it, a positive ad, it's very hard to say anything factual in a positive ad that sticks. in a negative ad, you can bury people with facts. that's never going to change. the other problem -- >> and as donnie is right, it's the front page story of "the new york times," hidden donors spent heavily. >> on message. >> point is, i'm a democrat. it all changed with obama. there's as much -- it may not be as focused. it's dispersed, but this is a world where money is playing on both sides. >> okay, final question for john. >> it's out of control big bucks. >>. john, what are they voting on? you say they want to be connected and they want to
make -- what is the issue? what difference are they making when they are making a vote in this election? i don't get it. >> it's not about tran transacti transactional politic ticks. bun place to start is student debt. that's the one issue that men and women of all ages care about. that's the one thing that brings everybody together. >> you think a candidate has made such a difference there are young people going out and voting on it. >> is that happening? >> it's not happening. that's what obama did so well. he empowered people. >> we're going to talk about where we agree. i really believe and jeffrey really believes there's such a chance in 2016 and beyond for a radical transformation of politics the same way steve jobs transforms the way we talk on
the phone. >> we have to break. out of the status quo. >> i think it's more ripe for change now than ever before. i really do. >> absolutely. the parties are locked into the status quo right now, both of them. >> you didn't say big money. i'm proud of you. >> that's why they are locked in. >> wouldn't you agree, though, that they are waiting for massive change? >> in the iowa caucus in 2008, obama won the youth vote 55 to 10. lost everybody over the age of 30. millennials helped elect obama. >> thank you very much. we'd love to talk to you after the election. dr. saks stay with us. >> with pleasure. >> we're going to have some rules. there will be some. >> can he say big money again? >> he can. >> i think he can. >> because we know he's going to say whatever he wants to say.
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selle sellers. she wrote the cover story of the upcoming issue of "the washington post" magazine on dr. lewis reubenson. the physician was exposed to the ebola virus from a needle injury while treating patients in sierra leone. he was admitted to the national institutes of health and isolated for 21 days from the time of the needle prick. on october 7th, they discharged him who showed no signs of the ebola virus. on october 17th, his incubation period finally ended. here's his account of his time in isolation. >> no one could visit me in the unit. the nih folks were wonderful. they are a really good group, but. i had to sit in a hospital bed. i wasn't sick. there's a video camera from there 24/7. they promised me they didn't look at it, but it's there. every time you went to the bathroom you had to tell someone because they need to treat it
and treat it as if you're infected. the response is way out of proportion to the need, which was exactly opposite of my existence for the last three weeks where babies were dying and no one was coming to help. >> joining us now is francis seller, senior writer at "the washington post." what breaks my heart is what i said before we went to break. he almost felt humiliated or something coming back. >> we should be he was sick when he first went in. he was really well looked after at nih when he came back. people went out of their way. cdc helped hum out. he had this exposure in sierra leon. nih really helped him. and then there's a period where his story is playing out against this other story that's happening in the united states, which is really the bigger issue. thomas eric duncan was at the
same time in the backdrop being admitted after the mess in dallas where he wasn't admitted the first time. that's the backdrop to these stories. just as we're seeing now with kaci hickox, we have an election that's a backdrop to a story. . so politics and fear begin to play in. i don't want to put words in anybody's mouth, he was very well looked after when he was sick when he first arrived. it's not as if e he shouldn't have gone in to start with or he's criticizing anybody. it's that these other things play into how you treat somebody, how you quarantine them and those are broader questions. i worry that science is not taking the lead there. >> yeah, you're right about the shame of returning and him talking about that. what is the part of the story that we're not getting as we cover these individual cases and the controversy surrounding them that you captured from this interview? >> well, something like this, there's an enormous burden of trust when somebody tells you
this story. there was a story o of a doctor coming back and he decided not to use his name because he was worried about the quarantine and the stigma being associated. these are not risk takers these doctors who go out there. they wouldn't hurt themselves. they would be dead if they were in these situations, and they would never hurt anybody else. they have been risking their own lives going into these wards to save people. they come back here and know when they are not symptomatic. there's no evidence they can pass on the illness. so that's sort of the frustration. while you see various governors, as we have seen recently, suggesting they should be isolated, that's a huge burden on anybody who would think about going out again. you're not only going for a motto work in these hospitals, but then you come back and there's another three weeks even if you have no symptoms, even if you have no exposure. but even if you have no exposure
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all right, chi-town, let's do this, baby. you guys rock. you guys watching think i'm crazy. this is what i was made for. what an incredibly beautiful city at night chicago is. absolutely beautiful. i'm coming. let's see if i can -- maybe i hit the edge of the building. >> calm, cool and collected. nik wall lend da. here with us now, the daredevil
himself, wallenda. so you got to stand there breathlessly while nik was doing this work. >> we did the grand canyon last time. i swore after he finished that, he survived that one, i'm not going to press my luck. but nik keeps bringing you back. you were incredible last night. >> good to see you. >> everybody still talking about it this morning. have you reflect on it now? does it feel different? >> yeah, you know, still excited to be able to fulfill another dream. two more world records. just thinking back on it. walking up a 19 degree incline and then the blindfold. it seemed surreal the day after. >> you said going into this you were more concerned about the blind felt walk. it felt to me that's probably the way it turned out. i said to you on the air last night about how confident you were on that first walk.
i mean, at the grand canyon you went down to the knee and you had all us clutching each other. and this one, you were kind of chatty. you wanted to talk to me. you wanted to talk to natalie. we could tell almost right away you had this. >> yeah, you know, i trained very, very hard. one thing i learned over the grand canyon is even though i trained so much, i should have trained more. i never wanted to be in the position where as i was in the grand canyon, am i going to be that embarrassed that i have to go down and hold this wire and wait for help? i was, like, i never want to be there again. to be honest, i think i've never done two walkings in a row and challenged myself like this. while i was doing that first walk, i was subconsciously thinking about the second one. i kind of raced through the first one just to get to the second one. >> hey, nik, donny deutsch. what are the jedi mind tricks? do you think, what am i going to have for breakfast tomorrow? give me the mind games.
>> i can be very relaxed on the wire. i've done it since i was 2 years old. now of course with different situations, with wind, and that wire was moving last night, i'm pretty focused on what i'm doing. yes, i acan talk, but i'm reall focused. so not a lot goes through my mind. i try to keep everything off my mind. because of that, it becomes peaceful at times. i'm raising teenagers right now. that can be challenging and stressful. those troubles go away while i'm on the wire. >> you're not recommending that, okay. >> real quickly, the spectators on the balconies, did that bother you? >> couldn't see them. >> i was born to be a performer. my entire life, i was -- i've performed. i definitely heard them. having them here actually a live audience is what i live for and it inspires me. i become more of a performer than anything else. >> congratulations. it was fantastic. it was nerve-racking. >> how many viewers, like 12
million? >> with all told, it was like 21 million in the u.s. alone. he keeps one-upping himself. now he's got another one he's working on right now. he says it's going to be bigger than this one. thank you, sir, much appreciated. >> see you, nik. a dream comes true for one college freshman. we're going to show you one of most moving basketball game also that you may ever see. it's just one day before the midterms. we're going to tell you which candidates are up, which candidates are down, neck and neck in a lot of states, with just one day to go. "morning joe" coming up. i make a lot of purchases for my business. and i get a lot in return with ink plus from chase. like 50,000 bonus points when i spent $5,000 in the first 3 months after i opened my account. and i earn 5 times the rewards on internet, phone services and at office supply stores. with ink plus i can choose how to redeem my points. travel, gift cards, even cash back. and my rewards points won't expire. so you can make owning a business even more rewarding.
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welcome back to "morning joe." back with us on set, we have donny deutsch. i don't know why. harold ford jr. and mike halperin, a long with carol lee on capitol hill. >> she classes up the act. what are you thinking? >> i think there's going -- >> a day or two out. >> i think it's going to be painful. >> for you? >> perhaps. >> does that mean big republican sweep? >> i'm thinking, i'm thinking. >> let's look at the polls and see what the kids think. >> new polls show the senate may be slipping out of democratic hands. the gap is id woo widening in s where they were trying to hold on and tightening in states that were supposedly safely blue. shaheen is clicking to the lead against brown in new hampshire. hagan of north carolina up just one on republican tillis. the same poll has senator pat roberts catching up to independent greg orman but still
trailing. meanwhile, senator mitch mcconnell is expanding his lead and his chances to become majority leader. in iowa, republican joni ernst has opened her lead to seven. democratic braley is trailing downward, even after losing his home congressional district. the balance of power may not be settled on wednesday morning. senator landrieu, democrat, is leading in louisiana's primary by eight points. if he doesn't win outright, a head-to-head runoff shows her trailing republican congressman bill cassidy. though perdue is up four over michelle nunn in georgia, that state is likely headed to a runoff. in georgia, runoffs last nine weeks. and perdue is favored. joe, why don't you tell us how this looks to you? >> it looks like things are trending in the republican direction. it still does not look like 1994, 2006, 2010. it could. i mean, maybe the democratic
turnout is going to be miserable. maybe the republican turnout is going to be extraordinary. you go through those numbers. you still see a lot of close races. you still see the republicans. who are doing well in some states. also, you can't get the band out and sing happy days are here again because they're still fighting in south carolina. they're still fighting of course in kansas. they're still fighting in georgia. they're still fighting in louisiana. maybe all this goes to the republican party, but anything could happen. one or two things are going to happen. one, the republicans are going to learn from their mistakes on the turnout game from 2012. >> it might be. >> and they're going to take back the senate and have the big night. or two, they didn't learn those lessons. they still don't know how to target voters. and democrats are going to hold on. >> democratic strategy for the cycle was predicated on three things, eliminate the republicans as unacceptable choices, too extreme. change the debate to not be about president obama but about economic issues and three, the
turnout game. they basically failed on two out of the three. the debate is about the president and they've not eliminated the republicans. the turnout is all they had. may not be enough in so places to let them win. >> why is it so close in georgia? why is it -- >> pat roberts. >> i think it's going to be a big republican night. i am not throwing water on the gains we've seen. that iowa poll, people saying, sellen opponents, it's not seven points. we all know the des moines register poll is the gold standard out there. they get it right. so i find it hard to believe that iowa's not in the republican column. >> why is kansas close? because pat roberts has been a bad candidate. why north carolina close? because tilless hasn't been a very good candidate. where republicans have had good candidates like georgia and iowa they're doing better. >> at the end -- >> i'm sorry, colorado. >> donny deutsch, democrats also in colorado.
and i've had democratic operatives say this and sort of cringe. and talked about the races where democrats were so intent on trying to make the republicans seem like extreme on women's issues that they are now turning into the same it's been the last -- and i'm talking top ranking democratic strategists who have run the democratic world saying, come on. we assume that women only care about contraception. most women know that debate was over a long time ago. they're looking stupid. women care about jobs. women care about wages. women care about the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer. women care about education. they care about the kids going off to college and not having a job after they get out of college. it's really been a sort of -- >> you're going to wake up very happy because i think other than north carolina -- >> why's that? >> of course it's going to be republicans -- >> i've got to stop you because somebody on twitter said your
party's going to -- i stopped that and say you don't know what my party is. >> the republicans will win. there's two little piece of nuggets underneath that good news for republicans in afc '16 beyond. young millennials are leaning republican. leading democrats are really going backwards on hispanics. the republicans have figured out, we are never going to win another election unless somehow we appeal to that audience. and i also believe my final point is i think this is going to be the best thing to ever happen to barack obama. >> it could backfire ultimately. >> it's forward a republican sitting here to say this. because people say you're just -- no, you're exactly right, donny. barack obama still believed in 2012 that if he won re-election, republicans would suddenly say, oh, he's legitimized, it's going
to work. no, it's going to take i think this final step of republicans take over. to go, do i want to get things done or not. for republicans to then have no more excuses. they're either going to make capitol hill work or they're going to screw it up. if they screw it up for two years, they will lose in 2016. >> stinks for republicans and -- >> i think it's the best thing for the country. accountability. do you want to run washington or do you want to run your mouth. >> senate majority -- that's good. senate majority leader harry reid in so many ways says a win for joni ernst and iowa would all but ensure he lose his majority leader status. outgoing senator tom harkin drew some fire for this comment about ernst that suffered over the weekend on buzzfeed. >> i've been watching some of these ads. and they're sort of this sense that joni ernst, she's really
attractive. and she's -- well, i got to thinking about that. i don't care if she's as if looking as taylor swift. or as nice as mr. rodgers. but if she moves like michelle obama, she's wrong for the state of iowa. >> actually, that's a good point i'm going to say what you just said. it's true. if a republican said that, it would be over. carol lee. might that backfire? >> yeah, i think it actually might. if there's one thing that any politician, particularly a seasoned one like harkin should know, is you don't tom about women's looks in that way. i was in iowa last week. the ernst campaign is very in tune to these kinds of thing and quick to jump on anything that has remotely a whiff of sexism
attached to it. so it's not something that belongs in a race like this. it's sort of surprising to hear it coming from somebody who understands the state and has been around for so long. >> exactly. car carol, what was your feeling when you were out there reporting in iowa last week? did you see a trend? did you feel a trend going joni ernst's way? >> yeah, you did. i was there. i was with her for a couple of events and i was with vice president biden did an event with braley. i talked to a bunch of voters at that event. and even some of them coming to that event had voted for barack obama in 2008 and 2012 and had regretted voting for him. so the presence of the president in a state like iowa was really -- it was dominant. joni ernst talks about it a ton. she's also, you know, anyone who's watched her, she's kind of a natural on the campaign trail. and so she had a lot of appeal.
voters there are definitely down on the president. and really looking for somebody different. and she seems to be tapping into some kind of sentiment there. and it looks like she's actually going to wind up winning. >> can you imagine a female candidate saying that about a male -- i can't. just wouldn't happen. >>cy was always degraded because they always would say that about me. just because piece so good looking. and has such chiseled features. nobody ever said that about me and my life. it's actually stupid that somebody would say that after being in politics that long. she hasn't put out a campaign that is anything but serious and, you know, quite frankly very much in the fight. >> can i ask one other question? let me ask carol the question first. can i then ask you a question? isn't this how this game works? harold, so donny was teaching about how millennials are now
just snapshot, this could change tomorrow. and we're going to have the head of the harvard polling here saying millennials are actually trending republican right now. his fannics still supporting democrats but not the way they've done. state by state by state, republicans will show you gender gap in many states now has shrunk tore four, five points. what has happened to the democratic party that their most faithful and loyal voters, outside of african-american voters, have departed? >> the republican, as everybody on the panel knows, in missouri and indiana could not agree on a simple criminal definition of rape. and it certainly impacted the race. the democrats did well. as you look at latino voters, there's really more of an akinship with republicans than democrats in those issues. for republicans, can talk about immigration reform in the right
way. can really fundamentally change the map for them over the next few years. i would argue if republicans win the most important thing in the senate is sequencing. how they go about what they want to do. if they start with a narrow tax reform bill, perhaps trade promotion authority which obama's asked for but reid won't give it to him. if they start with some energy reform, keystone, perhaps lifting the ban on natural gas exports. they could change the optics light not only on washington but their party. i'm not convinced they can do that but if they do that, those are the kinds of things that would help appeal not only to millennials but i would argue would help move the country forward. >> they need to surprise a lot of people. >> this is obviously, luckily for the republicans, has become a referendum on barack obama. i still want someone to answer the question why this guy is at 42% when if i'm giving him talking points, unemployment's 6%, gas under 3 bucks, paxed the
most important legislation of the last 50 years, saved the auto industry, killed osama bin laden. >> the medium is the message and barack obama is the medium. >> i mean, you give a report card -- >> he missed the message. barack obama is why barack obama is -- >> exactly it. >> let me get to governor's races. you both said this well. number one, he's not -- the president's not as comfortable talking about business success as some other -- but he's not as comfortable talking about those things. you said it well on this show a few weeks ago. ebola and isis, enormous unknowns, have colored this race and impacted these races negatively on the president's part and the democrat's part in the last few weeks. >> i'm going to show you some of these tight governor races. just one point separates mary burke and her opponent in -- >> you don't think they're going
to make the difference? >> i think the national wind -- >> in florida, one of the nastiest races of all. crist with the narrow ist of leads. 526 respondents chose crist, 524 chose scott. >> democrats are crazy confident about that race so i'm not quite sure. libertarians really helping crist. >> if a national win counts in wisconsin it counts in florida and will carry both of those over. >> charlie crist is a better candidate. >> i just don't know that the national win matters. because they have their own record to be judged on. >> close to incumbent nathan deal. >> can carter win that one? >> if there's a runoff, maybe. >> sam brownback is now down six points to democrat paul davis. >> a fox news poll. what happened to sam brownback?
>> discovered in a way people found a little bit arrogant. at this point, pretty close to certainty. >> doesn't that help orman? >> it does some. orman cannot count on that. >> i don't know. if i'm a republican that's going to vote against a republican governor and vote democratic for the first time in my life, i don't know that i'm going to go democratic twice. orman is an independent. >> oh, whatever. orman is a democrat. he had claire mccaskill begging him to run because he was the democrat's best chance of holding the seat. i'm just saying. >> his message has been very disciplined as an independent. >> i'm just saying if, you know, i always told people as far as -- people, have happenthat h. my family was a crest family. colgate commercials meant nothing to us, we bought crest. if you're in kansas, this works, if you're in kansas and your brand is republican, you may deviate from that brand one time.
i don't know that you deviate from it twice. i actually think voting against brownback could help roberts at the end of the day. >> if orman wins, think about it also, the talk about an independent running for president, perhaps one on this set here, it grows, largely because you see the path if it can happen in kansas -- >> wrong. >> halperin, you're running for president? >> one final thing. >> for all of you pundits and pollsters out there that's saying greg orman is an independent and we really don't know if he's a democrat or a republican, i'm taking bets right now. all right. on whether if he wins he's going to caucus with the republican party or the democratic party. i'll give you 5-1 odds that he caucuses with the democratic party. you know he's not going to caucus with the republicans. so just quit. >> do a little game on -- >> joe, your family you should -- >> we still are. >> forever.
always has been. always will be. >> we're going to end the block this way because we're going to be doing so much politics. a magic night for 19-year-old lauryn hill, a college freshman with an inoperable brain tumor whose dream was to play college hoops at mt. st. joseph university in cincinnati. knowing hill has weeks to live, the ncaa moved up the date of her team's opening game to last night in hope she'd be healthy enough to play. she scored four points. here is hill after the game. >> i just feel so blessed that this is all happening. just really happy. this is a really good day. and it just makes me so happy. >> beautiful. ncaa did good. still ahead on "morning joe," kaci hickox is apologizing for her actions. >> i like her. she goes a little too forward
that way. she goes a little too forward this way. >> -- during he mandated isolation, but not before taking the shot at the man who put her in that isolation. you put me in a bubble. you don't put baeb in a bubble. >> i think she said something like that. >> plus, bo, incredibly ow obedient. we'll explain. >> first, here's bill karens. >> what a weekend we just got done with. winter just like that. first off, we're down in the appalachians. this dumped heavy snow up to a foot in the mountains. and then outside of columbia, south carolina, we had four inches of snow. it snowed in central south carolina before it snowed in new england this year. kind of a wacky weekend. it was very cold all the way down to north florida where they had a frost.
so let's talk about what happened next. we had the big nor'easter. that patriots/broncos game barely missed out on the heavy wet snow and the winds. it did snow about three hours before kickoff. all of that went up into maine. we got almost 20 inches in eastern missouri. this was a record shattering for even bangor maine. had 14 inches of snow. by far the earliest they've had double digit snowfall. what does that mean for now? you can see it rocketing up. it's still windy. still chilly. even the deep south we were down to 38 last night. now we're at 46. we're heading in the right direction. so what is next? we have a big rain storm heading for areas texas, oklahoma and arkansas. this will be around for election day too. we'll have to keep that in mind. it really shouldn't stop too many people from getting to the polls. a slow warm-up in the east. but not bad. we get rid of a lot of the frigid air. we will have that heavy rain and
maybe an isolated flooding threat down there in areas of texas, arkansas, louisiana. i think most trouble thing for all of that can look into the future of these weather model, we have another possible nor'easter coming and then another huge shot of cold air right behind that for next week. if you don't like the cold and chilly weather for the eastern u.s. we leave you with a shot of washington, d.c. after a cold weekend and bluchtblucht blustery winds. a nice day ahead. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. new york state is jump-starting business with startup-ny. an unprecedented program that partners businesses with universities across the state. for better access to talent, cutting edge research, and state of the art facilities. and you pay no taxes for ten years. from biotech in brooklyn, to next gen energy in binghamton, to manufacturing in buffalo... startup-ny has new businesses popping up across the state. see how startup-ny can help your business grow at startup.ny.gov
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all right. let's take a look at the morning papers it the oregonian.
brittany maynard who over the past few weeks has become the face of the right to die movement ended her life at home on saturday after being diagnosed with aggressive terminal brain cancer. moving to oregon to gain access to the state's death with dignity laws. this fall, she became a spokesperson for advocates of assisted dying after posting this video discussing her decision. on saturday, as planned, she took a life ending prescription in her bedroom surrounded by loved ones. brittany maynard was 29 years old. >> we look at this from "the washington post." coalition's efforts to defeat islamic state militanmilitants. fighters linked to al qaeda have defeated rebels. the militants seizing large supplies of weapons and numerous defections were also reported. in iraq, the government confirming isis is responsible for killing more than 300 members of a sunni tribe in anbar province.
this is new video of air strikes iraq says it carried out against isis in retaliation for that massacre. u.s. officials say iraqi security forces are planning to launch a major spring offensive to push back against the islamic state. include training more than 20,000 troops over the next three months. do you like going to sporting events? sometimes? track meets? >> i love going to track meets. i went to one this weekend. it was awesome. >> it's a good thing that you live here and not in iran. >> why? >> because you could be thrown in jail. >> is this an awkward transition? >> no, it's not an awkward transition, it's the truth. >> iranian court sentenced a woman to a year in prison for trying to watch a men's volleyball match. the 25-year-old british-iranian woman arrested outside a stadium while protesting a ban on women attending games. >> what's wrong with those people? what's wrong with those people? >> women are also banned from attacking soccer games.
>> seriously. seriously. all right. let me get the bangor daily news. one of the most headline grabbing people, the names out there, kaci hickox, the nurse speaking out after successfully challenging maine's attempt to force her into a mandatory quarantine following her return from west africa. in an exclusive interview on "meet the press," she said new jersey governor chris christie initially placed her into isolation because, quote an abundance of politics was at play. she's also now promising to limit her activity at home in maine. >> i understand that the community has been through a lot in the past week and that i do, you know, apologize to them for that. i will not go into town, into crowded public places. you know, i have had a few friends come visit me in my home. that's absolutely fantastic. >> okay. "usa today." a brave pooch in alabama helped
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someone besides harry reid sitting in the senate. >> mitt romney says a republican led congress will pass immigration reform. but before election day, we're looking at how the hispanic vote will impact results. pew research center reports that more than 25 million latinos are eligible to vote this year. a record number. here with us now, co-founders of the polling and research firm latino decisions, matt and gary, the co-authors of the book "latino america, poised to transform the politics of the nation." >> good to see you again. we've been talking this morning, a lot of analysts talking about how the young voters are actually breaking more republican than expected. women, that gender gap has narrowed. what about the hispanic vote? >> one the things we're finding is they're not necessarily breaking more republican. just less democrat. obama, huge latino vote.
finding a lot of decreases in that enthusiasm. >> the president was heckled in connecticut yesterday by a lot of people that were, wanted him to pass immigration reform. >> it's really going to hurt democrats especially in places like north carolina where the president delayed action in order to help hagan and her re-election bid. you feel like you've had promises broken to you. when you have to get up early or leave work early to go stand in line, the ennews yas sell -- >> one analyst talking about how conservative a lot of hispanics are. as far as values go, rock solid values. i'm not talking about necessarily the social issues. i'm not just talking about abortion or gay marriage. just talk in general. hispanics share an awful lot of
values with republicans who can't get out of their way to get the support. >> using the word conservative to describe themselves, but there's so much hostility. you don't really say like, i'm conservative so i'm going to vote for this guy would -- >> what's the most important for voters? >> jobs and economy. we hear about education and health care. education is the most frequently talked about among people would have children. the median age of latinos are 27. lots of people in the child rearing stage. the quality of public education's important. >> if they're voting on issues, can you tell which way they're leaning in the midterms? >> in the midterms, we think they're continuing to lean democratic. there's no question. there's less enthusiasm for the democrats. they're leaning in that direction. gary mentioned education. education is an area where the republicans i think more than
social issues can make inroads because lots of latino families are stuck in really poor schools and a lot of republicans like a jeb bush have been talking for a long time about education reform. >> speaking of jeb bush, i think the guy who opened that clip, mitt romney, will be our next president, either him or bush. what do you advise these guys? they've got to get through the primaries. >> wait, you say you think mitt romney or jeb bush -- >> yes, will be our next president. without question. probably romney. it could get interesting in bush wins. we talked about this last time. america wants a do over. america was right about a lot of things. when the crap hits the fan, everybody wants to go back to serious for lack of a better word. how do you advise them to understand in a general elebct n election, they've got to do better? >> what separates the old mitt romney from the 2012 mitt romney is the old mitt romney tried to reach out to different groups
anded in 2012 because of the primary process, he was pushed right. same true for jeb bush in 2016 if that's what he attempts to do. i think there's a real problem. i disagree. i'll take that bet. that neither mitt romney nor jeb bush will be president of the united states because i think the latino vote will be heavily democrat in a presidential year when, say, hillary clinton -- >> i'm surprised to hear you say that about jeb bush. campaigned with jeb in miami. the guy was remarkable with hispanics. >> he is remarkable. as gary said, he can't take the bait and go that far to the right. >> he hasn't taken the bait yet, has he? >> rememberness book he released, he had to clarify things. where he said we shouldn't be giving out citizenship for all these illegals. he's going to want to go to the right for the primary. >> guaranteeing a republican in the white house. >> i'll take that bet. >> you heard it here.
>> i actually think if the republicans get smart, they've got a better than even chance. >> they're smart, you'll see it in the midterms. >> let me ask you guys what if republicans -- i'm just speaking for myself as i consider to be economically very conservative and also conservative with a small "c." but on immigration, i support legalization. i do not support citizenship. i support legalization with the pathway to citizenship. i can make an economic reason to hard core conservatives like me. you want hispanics who are working to contribute to social security and contribute to medicare and contribute to taxes. you want them to be legal because that brings us millions of dollars. but as far as citizenship goes, i think everybody should have -- somebody from pakistan should have an equal chance of getting here as somebody from mexico. >> if you look at the rhetoric, you look at the policy rhetoric from the immigration advocates,
all they want is to put people on a path to citizenship. doesn't need to say you're going at the front of the line, you're going to get citizenship. they just don't want people stuck in a permanent status to say you can contribute to social security. there's got to be a pathway. >> that's exactly right. for people to put some hope that their position here becomes permanent. >> right. it's an issue of fairness. >> a huge percentage of undocumented immigrants are actually paying into the social security system right now. >> it's a real scam about -- for people who don't know about what they actually do is people that are building buildings will send in phony social security numbers. social security administration will wait six months to say, wait, there's the wrong now. they get the undocumented workers. a lot are paying social security. anyway, fascinating conversation. any predictions tomorrow? >> i have two predictions. the first is you'll see at least
one instance where latinos saved a democrat who otherwise would have lost an election. >> colorado? >> colorado's the best bet but also kansas and georgia are close. huge latino population, in both those states. >> we've been hearing georgia, the hispanic population has been growing. could hispanics make a difference in georgia in the runoff? >> the other thing i would look for is i predict there will be at least one case where a republican who has reached out to the latino community does better than expected. >> okay, the book is latino america. >> guys, come back after the election. >> up next, new details overnight in the investigation into the virgin galactic crash. what officials are now thinking was responsible for the accident. that, plus a look at what will be driving the markets. we go like to the new york stock exchange. [prof. burke] it's easy to buy insurance and forget about it.
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our innovative special care program offers strategies that can help. new developments in the crash investigation of virgin galactic spaceship 2 aircraft during a test fight in the california desert. federal investigators say part of the aircraft's tail was in the wrong position shortly before it broke apart. nbc's jacob rascon has the latest. >> the unexpected announcement came overnight. a break in the investigation into virgin galactic's failed test fight that killed one pilot and injured another. the ntsb's acting chairman saying the tail or feathers of the space plane which are only supposed to deploy as the aircraft entered the atmosphere deployed before the plane got to space. the ntsb saying video from
inside the cockpit shows the co-pilot, michael alsbury, who died in the crash, unlocked the feathers seconds after the plane's rocket ignited which is too soon. but the feathers don't deploy simply because they're unlocked. that requires a second lever. video and flight data confirm nobody pulled that lever. the feathers deployed on their own. seconds later, the aircraft came apart. >> we are a long way from finding cause. we still have months and months of investigation to do a lot that we don't know. >> it broke apart at 45,000 feet. and this is the biggest piece of what is left. what would have carried six space tourists and two pilots into sub orbit. more than 700 people have already bought tickets for a future spaceflight including justin beebe, katy perry and leonardo dicaprio. this morning, the space travel community is mourning the loss. >> he was a friend and a
colleague. to, you know, all of us. never gets replaced. >> so jacob roberts that the surviving pilot is recovering after surgery. already talking to doctors but is not ready to speak to investigators. >> it broke apart at 45,000 feet. and that guy survived. >> that's incredible. >> something you were saying off camera? >> sure. >> $250,000. i wish people could find other ways to spend that better to help people maybe. just saying. i'm a guy of means. i would be embarrassed to spend money to do that with what's going on in space. >> it's weird, i've never heard of them. cnbc's sara eisen. >> we've heard of her. >> good to see you. we are coming off a pretty strong two weeks here for u.s.
stocks. absolutely roaring back from what appeared to be a scary october at first. guess what, stocks are up. the s&p 500 more than 8% since they hit that bottom in the middle of october. coming off the best two weeks in nearly three years. set to open a little bit lower. typically november is actually a pretty strong month for u.s. stocks. want to mention auto sales because that could be a big mover today. starting to get them out. they trickle out from different auto companies throughout the day. it does appear that october was another strong month for growth in u.s. autos. we just got chrysler numbers, guys. chrysler sales for october, up 22% from last year. it's unbelievable. really, what's driving it is trucks and suvs. those lower gas prices are helping americans go to their favorite kind of pickup trucks and sport utility vehicles. honda came out, up 6%. nissan also up double digits. we'll get gm and ford a little later. this continues to be a bright spot when it comes to consumer
spending and when it comes to the u.s. economy. >> i get my pickup truck, two months ago. >> the market is never wrong and what does that tell you about tomorrow, if the market's up 8% in the last two weeks? they're betting heavy republican. and the market is never wrong. so that will -- forget everything else, forget all the pundits -- >> i don't know, sara, i'm skeptical -- >> we know we're -- >> i'm skeptical because we've heard very little talk about the midterm elections here on the floor. yes, the market is up, but don't forget, we're coming off a pretty solid earnings season where profit growth has beaten 10%. we're talking earnings growth. the u.s. economy is doing well. we just had a strong gdp number showing our economy grew 3.5%. we just ended quantitative easing. things appear to be on a good path. you could point to the gains and see that it's mostly due to better news in the economy and earnings as well. but since you did bring up the midterms, the big wild card is
if we don't get a result by wednesday, becausevestors hate uncertainty. remember in 2000 when we didn't have a result between bush and gore, the s&p 500 dropped more than 7%. if we're talking about a runoff situation, that could add a little bit of tension to the markets. the outcome, a lot of strategists here, and they say not a lot is going to change either way when it comes to economic reform. >> the stars changed colors. >> so you're saying -- >> sara and -- >> thomas is like going pretty -- >> listen to her business report. >> great business report. >> look, they changed colors. >> this is really fascinating. >> this is the technology -- >> i just noticed this. look at eisen, thank you so much. >> we can put a man on the moon
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they share an unbreakable bond after suffering serious strokes. continuing to inspire each other. as john yang reports, they've just taken a big step forward together. >> where's my jacket? >> senator mark kirk and 12-year-old jackson cunningham start to climb up chicago's willis tower, 103 stories straight up. kirk and cunningham were together step by step. just as they've been through rehab. the two connected shortly after kirk suffered a major story troo years ago. the same thing happened to jackson when he was 8. caused by a blood clot. he wrote kirk a letter. >> do not give up on yourself.
all the hard work is worth it. >> reporter: a beautiful friendship was born. it's full of affection and teasing like this trash talk before today's stair climb. >> you know why he blows me away? because he cheats. if you cry tomorrow, we can hug it out. >> reporter: behind it all, the very serious and demanding work of rehab. >> when i first met jackson, he really couldn't run. now he can run. >> reporter: what about the progress you've seen in the senator? >> it's been a lot. from being in a wheelchair and him walking with his cane. >> reporter: earlier this year, the two were part of a 40-yard dash at the university of illinois. >> oh, we got a winner! >> reporter: when we first met the pair last year, kirk invited jackson to visit him in washington. next time, kirk wants to add something. >> physical fitness goal, to be able to jog around capitol hill with him. >> reporter: you want to help him on that? >> yes. >> reporter: kirk did only a portion of the stair climb, a
fund-raiser for the rehabilitation institution of chicago. at the top, he was there for jackson who finished all 2,109 steps. >> he just was like a jack rabbit. >> reporter: two unlikely friends pushing each other to new heights. >> all right, what a great story. coming up, what, if anything, did we learn today. i'm meteorologist bill karins. we're going to continue to watch rain developing in the middle of the country. this is the next storm to watch. thankfully, this one does not have snow or ice with it. we could have some minor travel problems in and out of san antonio. mostly late today and then
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a judge in maine on friday ruled that nurse kaci hickox who had been ordered to remain quarantined in her home after working with ebola patients in africa, is free to go any place she wants. places like over there. and further over there. hickox was reportedly so happy with the ruling that she started vomiting blood. before the restrictions were lifted, kaci hickox openly violated quarantine orders thursday by taking an hour long bike ride with her boyfriend. said her boyfriend, help, she's gaining on me. >> all right. >> okay, wow. it's time to talk about what we learned ta eed today. >> i learned there is nothing
more painful than talking about their love of saddle shoes. nobody should have to endure that. >> okay, they call them saddle oxfords first of all. >> i don't like saddle shoes. >> saddle oxfords. saddle shoes what are those? what is that? john wayne wore saddle shoes. what are you talking about? >> seriously. >> says the man who dresses more like a wasp than me. where's your sears sucker suit? >> you don't wear sears sucker after labor day. >> the polls. they're just trend lines. this is not to deter you from voting. this should encourage you because every vote counts. >> after the show today, we're going to be answering all of your midterm questions online so tweet us @joenbc and @mika and use #msnbcvote. >> i'd like to say hi to all my
friends in tallahassee. >> i'll be answering all questions on a subway in times square. >> that does it for us. donny, will you please not come back? no, come back. >> it's if too early, it's "morning joe." we'll see you tomorrow. we apologize for everything. we take it all back. here's craig. i'm sorry. the final countdown. last minute stomping coast to coast and by president obama himself. his name isn't on the ballot but his shadow looms large as voters get set to decide who's in charge. and that could be kentucky senator mitch mcconnell, but his fate may hinge on whether one longtime colleague can hang on and whether louisiana and georgia go against the runoffs. also happening this hour, the supreme court considers a case steeped in middle east politics and whether one young boy's u.s. passport should say
"morning joe." clintons will be in little rock to celebrate the 10th anniversary of their library. there's a free concert. later we'll hear from the two window wash who are had to be rescued from the 67th floor of 1 world trade center on wednesday. they are expected to hold a news conference. that will do it for our friday edition of "way too early." "morning joe" starts right now. ♪ good morning, everybody. it's friday. >> this is the jam. >> november 14th. welcome to "morning joe." what a difference a day off makes. >> what a great day. >> i need to do that more often. with us on set -- i never have. it's time -- >> was it a spa day. >> a day with my daughter day.
no other reason. yep. i spent years not doing that. >> what was that like >> it was amazing. we had the best time. >> i'm going to try that. >> we watched videos in bed. just youtube videos. like funny things. stupid stuff. >> did you see the person impersonating matthew mcconaughey. >> no but we'll do that the next time. >> all right, all right. >> we watched the apparent kid on ellen. whatever. senior political editor sam stein is here. donny is here. in washington we got jeremy peters here. how is that >> you were right. >> what? oh, i know. >> dude is on his cell phone. >> mark my words. >> dude on his cell phone. >> he was texting, i bet before the phone call. >> so he's on the cell phone the secret service guy while the other dude is breaking towards the white house and he's on his
cell phone. he left his back up radio inside. he turned off the radio he was supposed to have on because he's on his cell phone and doesn't want -- it's unbelievable. talk about the scathing report, mika. it's just been released. >> that's the bottom line. this is on the white house security breach that happened in september. the department of homeland security faults secret service agents for nearly a dozen performance organizational and technical failures. those errors allowed omar gonzalez to jump the white house fence with a knife, run across the north lawn and enter the first family's home. he then overpowered a female secret service officer and ran across the 80-foot east room before he was apprehended. the report states the secret service' alarm system and radios did not work properly and many officers on duty didn't see gonzalez as he climbed the fence. a uniformed secret service officer with an attack dog was
allegedly talking on a cell phone instead of listening to a two way radio. his stand by radio was in his locker. >> what else i understand they had agents that drew guns on this guy and they go well we don't think he's armed. so they drew their guns. he ran past them. i think it was even an agent in the white house, inside the white house where he came in, drew his gun and said he doesn't look armed. donny, oh, my god. first of all the guy had a knife on him. that equals armed. if there had bean civilian or somebody walking around the white house he could have grabbed them. list jenks i'm sorry, i don't care who it is. if they are racing there the presumption has to be they are armed. not that they are not armed. >> either way shoot them. you're running into my house, if i have a gun i'm going take you down. it's almost beyond comprehension. >> they can teach them how to
shoot in the leg if you don't want to kill them but shoot them. >> we talked about this. let's call it a snafu to be nice. one more example. >> like a dozen snafus. >> whether it's the irs, you know, whether it's the universities administration, the secret service -- when does it get right? and it's stunning. it's really stunning. >> i think the story here really is about tablets and cell phones and as we move forward, security jobs and other jobs that demand complete focus and attention the question is are they going to be allowed to have -- >> there's also the question of why you don't shoot somebody once they are inside the white house because you're presuming they are not armed. >> i read somewhere -- i forget why there was an article i read but it said it's really a lot more complicated to shoot somebody in the leg than you think it is. at the same time don't they have taser guns or something they can
do to impede a man with a knife that's entering the white house front door or lock the door or don't go into the car with your cell phone with your k-9. >> we call president obama the president but at the end of the day he's a dad. can you imagine what must have went down that day with his kids. can you imagine? >> the guy ran right past the staircase to go upstairs where the kids are. >> that's not even the first thing. there's a shooter that shot at the white house from way down the street that they covered up essentially for a while. the first family must be just absolutely aghast. >> let's get to the big story on capitol hill. oh, boy, fireworks. i think so. are we going to see more of the same or is there going some sort of diversion from the norm. president obama said this morning he'll move to overhaul parts of the immigration system by the end of the year and it's already raising the prospect of a government shutdown within some circles of the gop. the "new york times" reports the
white house plan would prevent the deportation of as many as 5 million undocumented immigrants. it would reform the role of law enforcement, add more security to the border and allow the parents of children born in the u.s. to get work documents. the plan would also boost opportunities for more legal immigrants with expertise in technology. yesterday house democrats called on the president to take decisive action fein it came without full congressional backing. some republicans are threatening a shutdown. >> let's not do that, guys. >> you got a w. big w. >> check the win box. let's see. let's listen to what they say about this because perhaps their tone shows they know they've won and time for a new approach. >> your setting somebody up here? >> no. i'm hoping what we're about to see is a real change. so they say unless there's language restricting the
president's proposal. >> will not be shutting the government down, threatening default on the national debt. >> even if he goes forward on immigration. >> will not be shutting the government down or threatening to default on the national debt. >> we're going to fight the president tooth and nail if he continues down this path. this is the wrong way to govern. all the options are on the table. we're having discussions with our members and no decision has been made as to how we will fight this. >> i think mitch mcconnell said it pretty straight. no government shutdown right, jeremy peters. >> he did although it may not be entirely his choice. john boehner once again is having to wrestle with the tea party faction in his caucus and i think what's going, what's likely to happen here is the president will wait until after congress deals with the budget to do anything, so congress, therefore, can't shut down the government in response to what the president has done on
illegal immigration but i do think there's a serious, serious amount of caution inside the republican party right now, especially among the new senate majority or the incoming senate majority that shutting down the government would completely squander all of the gains that they just made, all the goodwill that they have among the public right now. >> explain that. why do you think that is? >> i think the first thing they want to do or the first thing they do when they come back, after they are elected the majority party in congress for the first time since 2006 they come in and shut down the government. i think that would look horrible. republicans would get blamed for that. >> they did the last time. >> they certainly did. i will say it's a little bit different this time because when the president acts unilaterally on just about anything that has less public support and we've seen that in the past, this whole notion of executive action on immigration to allow these people to stay here without
going through congress, that has proven unpopular. not just in states like arkansas, but in states like colorado and iowa. i do think that's a concern for democrats. >> we're showing -- this was the republicans blame for the government shutdown last time in october of '13. we've heard a couple of republicans talk about this. but the overwhelming majority just are not going to go there. >> the senate is obviously different than house to. look what mitch mcconnell has to deal with in the senate. he has people up for re-election in very blue states. he has to grapple with that calculus. that's not the calculus that john boehner has to grapple with. but, again, even though the dynamics are different, it's not a shutdown fight would go straight to the president's desk. even those dynamics are in, i can't imagine -- >> not going to do it. >> would be coming in. >> just not going to do it.
>> much more likely put this into the law so they are going after the president for his executive actions on health care. >> take the win. don't talk about a shutdown. don't talk about impeachment. don't talk about default. you know, you're now moving towards 2016. have a chance to win the white house and keep it away from the clintons for eight more years. don't talk about those things. >> all republicans have to do is stay center right and not show. the interesting thing about this immigration thing is two fold. number one, i felt very strongly a republican win would energize obama. we saw with it net neutral thing. he's starting to double down. he's backed into a corner and coming out fighting. the immigration thing could set up the republicans to fraction themselves. you have the hispanics. the republicans started to make inroads in the last election. this will force republican
candidates how harsh do they come out against the president and now spotlight is back on the fraction republicans. >> i have a prediction. i think they let it pass. write it down. they let it pass. they are skraemg and yelling from the right. and it just becomes the law because they don't want to pass their own immigration bill. this becomes the law of the land. the people that are running in the blue states like you said the republicans running in the blue states say yeah i didn't oppose it. i didn't like the way he did it but there are some good reforms there. the right-wingers can scream and yell and say he should be impeached. people running for president the governors running for president they can all go yeah these were things that needed to happen. it sort of eases it along like the gay marriage debate, the courts are taking the gay marriage debate out of the hands of the republicans. it makes it convenient. there are a lot of republicans that to run in 2016 that will say let that pass. >> i totally agree with you.
that's the smart strategic move because it's much easier to say we're against executive action and put aside the policy. we're against presidential executive action on that scale while not dealing with the specifics of the policy. that way you don't enrage the hispanic population but you can talk about obama's overreach. simple play for mcconnell and anybody running in 2016. >> people in the right-wing districts can talk about impeachment. >> then the keystone pipeline which is set for a vote in the house today and the senate is nearing the 60 votes needed to pass it early next week. tissue was fast tracked in large part due to louisiana senate runoff between mary landrieu and bill cassidy both trying to show they can provide for the state. supporters say it will create thousands of american jobs but some analysts suggest the falling price of crude means its market value may be less than it costs to transport and produce here in the u.s. the president who retains his veto power weighed in on the issue this morning while on his
trip to asia. >> as a policy matter, my government believes that we should judge this pipeline based on whether or not it accelerates climate change or whether it helps the american people with their energy costs and their gas prices. and i have to constantly push back against this idea that somehow the keystone pipeline is either this massive jobs bill for the united states, or is somehow war on gas prices. understand what this project is. it is providing the ability of canada to pump their oil, send it through our land, down to the gulf where it will be sold every where else. it doesn't have an impact on u.s. gas prices. >> major environmental questions as well. do you think he should veto it. >> i think if he vetoes it he
proves he's capped big money on the left. no other way to put it. you look at his own state department. they say this is more environmentally sensitive having a pipeline than continuing to allow trucks and tankers to move this oil around. they say it's going to create 45,000, 50,000 new jobs. is this going to cause this great renaissance of like american, you know, american workforce? no. >> a massive bargaining chip is that what you're saying? >> no. what i'm saying is that there's no logical reason whatsoever for the president to veto this other than hard core ideo logs on the left who spend billions of dollars on democratic campaigns. this is, donny and sam, a growing problem, i think for democrats. you know, as a republican i've
seen for some time oh, gee this issue is breaking against republicans. we talked about gay marriage before. this is an issue that will break against republicans with the younger generation. this growing energy revolution where we're going to be the number one producer of oil by 2020 will cost manufacturing and everything go down, democrats are actually on the wrong side of that issue of a historical trend and somebody has to help them, in my opinion. >> i tend to see the politics here which is that there's enough support for this thing to probably pass and the question comes what did the president get as a leverage point for it. in a logical political world couldn't you see a trade off we'll pass keystone, we'll do these environmental regulations on our coal plants. we have a net neutral carbon deal in place. we don't live in a logical political view.
>> if i'm the president i would veto this. you give me minimum wage wage increase. >> company have leveraged that for something. we're at a point where we may end up with a veto proof majority in the senate. >> the president still has the power to say i'll veto this bill, i'll send it back to you, attach $9.15 minimum wage increase to it and sign it. you'll see a lot of those republicans in the senate that are in those blue states running in 2016 saying i'll be a part of that. we'll see what the house does. >> two other political dynamics in play. joining us now from washington chief white house correspondent for politico mike allen. mike, let's start with elizabeth warren. what are the expectations for her new role and then chris christie and wall street. what's going on. go. >> mika, first things first. happy friday. >> happy friday micky. >> playbook is play on birthdays
cond iis 60 and valerie jarrett is 60 today. >> it's valerie's birthday. >> happy birthday valerie. >> i knew that valerie had a birthday. >> start with elizabeth warren. >> elizabeth warren is coming to the democrats rescue. these democrats are so reluctant, dragging their feet in voting for harry reid as their leader so there's so much excitement about her. she's been added to leadership. she has the made up title of senior policy adviser to the senate democrats. but she came out talking about working families, bashing wall street. you saw where that was going. also yesterday at the mandarin oriental here in d.c. you saw her talking to big democratic donors saying run, liz, run. a lot of excitement about her, pushing her for president among some of the biggest check books in the democratic party.
>> what's going on between chris christie and wall street? >> they are worried about what this story calls as unusual frankness. the big question is that a liability for him or an asset. chris christie is feeling great coming off these big republican governor wins. he feels bridgegate is behind him. republican donors are ppra"gma" ists. >> what do you think? >> i think he's got a temp temperament problem. >> wall street sees that. we never elected an angry person.
>> zero chance this guy will get elected. >> he's not a thug. you know, we went after the teacher. >> fantastic. >> you're asking about my kids and where they go to school. went to a town hall meeting and starting screaming at that guy in the crowd. that's like wall street people didn't say good for him. he can send his kids to a damn catholic school if he wants to. you start yelling at people in press conferences. >> where was the line. you knew he would cross it at some point. >> so it just seemed off kilter. scott walker there's a reason he's scott walker. scott walker won. he's won in wisconsin now three times in four years. his star is now eclipsed, chris christie's with most conservatives i talked to and money people. and even in the "wall street journal" today, they were
talking this is scott walker's moment. >> you end up getting to know the people you cover. you become friends with some of them. i've talked about this. the romneys, the clintons, the obamas, we criticize them a lot. we're also very friendly with them. and they come back sometimes after the most, the biggest -- >> oh, my gosh. let me put it this way. i tore mitt romney to shreds in 2012 for one of the most ineffective lousy campaigns and mocked him and laughed at him when he did really stupid things on the campaign trail. just sort of having fun. you know what? the romneys never once took it personally. and we talked and i would say hey listen -- we kept communications open. we consider them good friends. we love them. >> this was on big stuff.
like running for the president. >> running for the president. chris christie on the bridge thing. we catched so much hell for being supportive of chris christie, mika especially. >> we generally like him. >> he walks past at parties, he's angry because there was that 1% that said well inis bad -- again this is a question of temperament. if you got a problem with mika supporting you only 99% of the time you got a problem. >> mike is laughing. >> 99% of the time. what does that tell you, seriously >> to be honest he's a jerk. >> no he's not a jerk. he's very thin skinned. >> governor of wisconsin scott walker will join us. scott is coming on even though sometimes i'm tough on him. >> you've been very tough on scott walker. >> actor alan alda, and retired
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crash because i overslept. i may be late once in a while not as much as i used to. i'm never late because i oversleep. that first event, that's a one event you have complete control over. >> so, i think it's also a man/woman thing. i think women are always on time. >> your're so punctual. >> went come late and waste time talking about stupid stuff. >> "wall street journal" indicates justice department collecting data from thousands of phones from devices installed on small airplanes. the airplanes are equipped with dirty boxes that have technology smim lar to cell phone towers
allowing the home track calls. this report says while spy planes are targeting criminals a large number of innocent americans are also getting snagged by their dirty boxes. >> "los angeles times," amazon has reached a deal over ebook and print sales after a huge six month -- >> is it a good deal? >> hatchet can set their own prices for ebooks which may help keep the struggling publisher afloat. amazon will continue sales of hatchet books. >> there's a lot of competition. >> authors got squeezed in that. >> "the washington post," the presidential bromance between bill clinton and george w. bush has spilled over to social media. clinton sparked somewhat of a hash tag dual when he tweet ad photo of himself reading his successor's book. clinton called it a touching tribute before using a hash tag
asking how are you still not on twitter. bush took to instagram writing thanks 42, using hash tags how are you still not on instagram and brother from another mother. >> instagram is cooler. >> kind of hip. but bill clinton's advisers obviously trying to keep you from posting pictures. you can understand, right? >> yes. >> all right. >> bush also had this to say about a potential 2016 match up between his brother and hillary clinton. >> i still would like him if jeb beats hillary. >> your betting on that? >> if jeb runs. i don't know if he'll run, i really don't. i hope does because he would be a great president. >> there you go. >> like when your son is competing against your best friend's wife. >> it's just a little too close.
>> sibling. >> unbelievable. >> coming up. excited for the american electorate. 25 years later we get another bush/clinton. please. just bury the white house now. unbelievable. we're all doomed. republican leaders shift positions. his may be the most important. senator roger wicker. hotty toddy. how o le miss beat crimson tide. >> what the top columnists in the nation are writing about. don't go away. we'll be back with much more "morning joe".
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joining us for the must read op-eds, eugene robinson. what are your looking at? >> i have peggy noonan here. "wall street journal." peggy writes this.
i'm really skeptical. she said it's possible the president is responding to changed circumstance with a certain rigidity because no one of stood in his way before. he had family challenges and an unusual childhood but as an adult and a professional he never faced fierce concentrated resistance. he was always magic. life never came in and gave it to him hard in the swrau. he done know how to get up from the mat. he doesn't know how to struggle frl his feet and regain his balance. he only knows how to throw punches but you can't throw a punch from the mat. gene, i'll let you take that. >> i'm very skeptical of all this sort of -- it was his childhood. this pop psychoanalyzing this president and other presidents is basically pretty worthless. i'm a great admirer of peggy's writing -- >> me too. >> but this one i don't get.
also keep in mind the president of the united states is never really on the mat. the president of the united states is still the president of the united states and can, for example, as he did this week make this sort of landmark climate deal with china that will have huge implications. he can do it on his own powers because we give the president a lot of power. i think it's a mistake to read short term political game loss and say the president is on the mat. he's done. he can't do this. he can't do that. he can do a lot. >> it's easy to look at other people's careers and say it came easy for that person and their lives and that's not ever fair or true. having said that to defend this point, i think when he came in he was so absolutely idolized that it might have been hard to imagine that he would have a hard time. >> running against the clintons not easy. >> the guy got elected in 2004. and he was state senator.
he got basically the primetime spot as a state senator on the democratic national convention in boston. nobody gets that. as a state senator. >> his speech in europe. >> hold on. let me finish my point. he gets elected to the senate. everybody says including harry reid he's bored a month later and decides he wants to run for president of the united states when he's in the senate. he doesn't do any work in the senate. as harry reid said you're bored you just need to get out of here and then he gets elected president and, of course, it's tough. yes it's tough. but come on. this guy politically i'm not going to talk personally but politically this guy has been on a magic carpet ride. he's gone to the best institutions on the planet. and went to a great prep school in high school. >> you talking about george w. bush or obama. >> i'm talking about barack obama which, by the way, thank you for making my point. george w. bush had a similar
problem. he rode on a magic carpet ride from the time he was young. compare that, sam stein, to bill clinton. who really did have a rough and tumble. he scratched, he clawed and he got elected in arkansas and he had to fight like hell for his political life every day. >> that's a great point. >> i'll give you a little more time to try to come up with something to go against that because i'm so right. sam, you first. >> let's separate the personal from the political. politically you're probably right. >> i don't know the personal. >> we do know about the personal. he wrote a whole book about the absence of his father in his life. that's a challenge enough in your life. it's an obstacle that a lot of people don't overcome. >> that's why i said political. >> we started with the column. now to your point yeah i think there's something valid to be
said if you're from a blue state, if you've not run, you know, really contested elections he lost his first election for congress that you don't learn the art of the compromise, you don't learn what it's like to negotiate when you're in a bad position, sure i think that's fine. but he has overcome some fairly decent political obstacles which you have to recognize. hillary clinton is not a formidable opponent. >> name me a president, joe, who doesn't come in to office with the possible exception of harry truman who comes into office think i'm really special, they love me. >> gene, they were talking in my ear when you were making the point. ask me the question again. >> name a president with a possible exception of harry truman who has come in to office not thinking i'm special. they really love me. i can do everything. it's an occupational hazard. it comes with the office.
all of a sudden you're president of the united states and you have the, you know, u.s. government at your beck and call and they play hail to the chief whenever you walk into the room. so, yes, it goes to your head because it goes to everybody's head and you think well of course people ought to, you know, ought to accept what i say and i'm just saying -- >> so everybody gets drunk with that power when they walk through the white house. i've had this discussion with people inside this white house saying do you really think the bu bushs didn't think the same thing. when things go bad what political background do you have to fall back on. richard nixon had a political background to fall back on. he learned the wrong lessons from that. bill clinton again the best example. >> scrappy. >> got elected in '78. lost in 1980 he went too far left. self-corrected and was governor for another 12 years of arkansas. he got elected in '92.
conquering hero. two years later he got laid out. adjusted radically. he had that in his background. barack obama doesn't. >> speaking -- >> i'm sorry. >> speaking -- >> okay. >> don't get the hook. >> with us now from -- >> speaking of a magic carpet ride i mean my god. this guy. republican senator from mississippi, senator roger wicker joins us. he's the incoming chairman of the national republican senatorial committee. >> roger we'll talk about the senatorial committee and what you'll be doing over the next two very difficult years for you. but first we need to talk about the sec west. no sec west has lost any team outside of the sec west and we should be number one through four in the playoffs. >> for once i want florida state to play a whole season in the sec west and see how they do. >> oh, my gosh florida state
would have about five losses by now. let's talk about, you for some reason decided to take on one of the tougher tasks in the republican party. we fought, we republicans fought on our grounds on our home field in 2014. 2016 is the opposite. this is a senate map dotted in blue states. what do republicans have to do to win those blue states. >> first of all the reason the map is so tough for us is because we did so well in 2010. so, we have 24 seats to defend and, you know, i feel real good about mark kirk being re-elected in illinois, pat toomey in pennsylvania. new hampshire looks good for us. you take them one by one i think we can defend. >> you're talking about a lot of states, those where the voters, especially the swing voters that come out in '16 won't take kindly to government shutdowns
and threats of impeachments and defaults. do you agree with mitch mcconnell that there's no way in heck that the republican party is going to shut down the government? >> you know they asked mitch two ways about that and the answer was the same, we're not going to have any government shutdowns, we're not going to have any threats of impeachment. we're going return to regular order and show america how the senate is supposed to work, how the founding fathers intended us to move legislation through, an open process, unlimited debate, working in to the night, working on mondays and fridays for a change like the american people do and sending legislation to the house and on to the president for, hopefully his signature. >> jeremy? >> hi, senator. good morning. congratulations. i won, one of the races you didn't mention is nevada where harry reid is up in 2016. if he chooses to run again, will you guys go after him with the same force that he went after mitch mcconnell this time around. >> well absolutely. but you know more importantly i
think that the citizens of nevada will go after harry reid. i think he's out of step with state. we had a real good run this year in the governor's race, lieutenant governor's race and captured a lot of the down state tickets. so to me that state is going republican. i think governor sandoval has a real good opportunity now after a great run as governor, perhaps to run for senator. so, i'm really, frankly i'll say this. i think harry reid may decide to retire. that's my prediction. >> let us see. >> all right. senator roger wicker great to have you on the show. >> thank you roger. >> eugene robinson thank you as well. >> thank eugene. >> thanks. >> gene set me straight. you made me a wiser man. >> comfort food. >> i don't know what that means at all.
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parents and when your parents had you. this process of change is called evolution. it's the reason why we look the way we look. >> a clip from the emmy award-winning series bill nye the science guy focused on evolution. evolution and the science of creation. it's author bill nye joins us now the book already doing well. >> yes. number eight. >> that is good. tell us about the book. why did you write it? >> to change the world. >> really? >> and has the world been sufficiently changed. >> we'll see. >> is it over? >> so evolution is the fundamental life in all of life sipes and we have a large fraction of people most advanced nation in the world that don't accept it. >> that's his party, by the way. his crazy whacky party. just saying. >> we have more in common -- we're more alike than different.
>> exactly. thank you, bill nye. >> that's one of the points of evolution that really in a sense no such thing as race. >> tell his crazy party that also. >> donny, we'll have to pull you from the set. >> for example, just by way of example, just run the star experiment. if a norwegian woman interacts -- can we say interact. >> yes. >> what do we mean by interact. >> have sex, procreate. >> from guinea you'll get a human not a new thing. this is sort of a fundamental idea. >> let's get to the crux of your book. what do you want to accomplish here? what message do you want to send? >> that evolution is the fundamental idea in life science
and it's humbling and empowering. when you realize you're a product of trial and error then i hope you cut yourself some slack. everybody you've ever met has made it this far. everybody you've ever met is good enough to get here. even my old boss. it's that simple. i was never sure. >> let me ask you a question. does the fact that fewer people are believing in evolution suggesting we aren't evolving. >> the pendulum will swing. see here's what keeps the united states in the game economically. we don't manufacture things here the way they did when i was a kid or especially when my father was a kid. what keeps us in the game is innovation. new ideas. if you want an iphone, if you want that computer you're enjoying, if you want that plastic that your boston red sox cup is made out of, you got to have innovators, new ideas,
scientist, engineers. engineers make things and to solve problems. if you have a group of people that continually suppresses science, then you'll fall behind economically. this is why i'm concerned about young people. >> so, i am a southern baptist, orthodox in my believe. terrible southern baptist. >> i'm not keeping record. >> black sliding southern baptist. you're not the one to keep records, the big man is. this debate has always come up and it's always been either or, black or white. you either believe in jesus or you believe in evolution. you either believe in god or, blah, blah, blah. the pope said something a couple of weeks ago that i've been saying since i've been 8 years old, why does there have to be a conflict. if you believe in the power of god, you believe god has the power to set events in motion. how helpful was the pope's
statement. >> it was good. it's good. also good that the pope accepted the findings of g alileo. this organization especially in kentucky has this diligent and complete program to indoctrinate young people that the earth is somehow magically 6,000 years old and it's not. it can't be. so if you question that when you question everything in geology. like the philae spacecraft, amazing thing. billions of kilometers out in space. taking astonishing pictures. if there's an steroid or comet with our name on it we need a space program to give it a nudge. if you don't believe in this stuff you won't do anything about it. >> i saw are a me ged don't. >> the book is -- >> don't want to blow it up. give it a nudge. >> bill nye, thank you so much.
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♪ welcome back to "morning joe." don't you love this song? can't hardly wait for replacements. the ending of what i believe to be the best rock album of the 1980s. >> a bold statement. >> "pleased to meet you." >> it's a great record. >> managing editor of bloomberg politics john heileman, good to have you on board. >> hi there. >> don't you get happy when john shows up? >> i do. >> the whole set gets elevated. >> the pixie dust i sprinkle every where. >> that's what you call it? >> that's what i call it. >> senator mitch mcconnell's argument for re-election was opportunity to become majority leader and now that's a reality. >> despite some senators refusal to say who they would back, mcconnell was elected unanimously. harry reid was elected senator minority leader but politico reports he had to convince some
skeptical democrats he would be more open to policy and messaging. some members tried to delay the vote and six defect preponderance of the evidence when asked if he shouldered some of the blame for the senate flipping reid said does anybody in nebraska know me or kansas? >> yes, they do. can i answer that for him? yes, they do. they don't like you. >> stop. >> in fact, they know you a lot more than they know the koch brothers and the people that gave you hundreds of millions of dollars to win the election from the democrats they are very angry at you because you blew all of their money chasing after the koch brothers and making it personal. you should have watched the godfather. never make it personal. he made it personal. he cost the democrats a lot of seats. >> i just don't think he was asked. i don't know. he also says i don't think it had much to do with me. >> it had everything to do with me. >> people don't know who i am. he created a position for
senator elizabeth warren as a policy adviser in a nod to the progressive wing of the party. >> they like her. >> house minority leader pell was elected again but unleashed a long rebuttal when a reporter asked if she considered stepping aside when the democrats failed to make the majority for a third election. >> what was the day that any of you said to mitch mcconnell when they lost the senate three times in a row. aren't you getting a little old, mitch, shown you step aside? have you ever asked him that question? have you ever asked, have any of you ever asked him that question? so i don't understand why that question should even come up. i'm here as long as my members want me to be here. it's just as interesting as a woman to see how many times that question is asked of the woman and humanities that question is never asked of mitch mcconnell. >> mika, is that fair? >> yeah. in a big way. the question is has it been asked of mitch mcconnell? i don't know the answer. >> he's never been majority
leader before. >> but has it been asked in other -- i think it's a very good point. >> it's a good question to raise except for the fact if mitch mcconnell had lost this time, i think you know, that would have been third, fourth time in a row, then i think the question would have been asked of mitch mcconnell. i think mitch mcconnell would have been run out of town. >> i love nancy pelosi. i consider myself a feminist. i didn't see that as a gender related question. mitch mcconnell lost he would have been asked. >> would have asked the question of john boehner whether he should stay there or not and nancy's place here you got to look at the fact republicans have more seats in the u.s. house than they've had since 1929 and certainly at that point you have to start asking questions do we need to get new leadership? we ran newt out of town and we had a majority of four. >> if you listen to the rest of
the bite because it's amazing she goes on to make this point which is accurate as we discovered yesterday. she points out that they have not put on the cover of "time" magazine when she became the first female speaker of the house in the history of the house of representatives on the day that the republicans won and boehner became speaker he was on the cover of "time." last week when the senate became republican mcconnell was put on the cover of "time." she goes on length on this topic. she never occupied the cover of "time" magazine solo. it doesn't have to do with these questions whether she should step down now. but she had a burr under her saddle and not wrongly comparing the attention that those leaders got. >> i would agree because jeremy i was on the floor the day she got sworn in as the first female speaker of the house. it was an extraordinary day. >> that's right. i don't think you with minimize the very real hurdles and bias
she has faced, any woman in politics in a leadership position. that said i've been there when that question has been asked of mitch mcconnell. i know it has been asked. >> there you go. >> the other thing is that before the election, we were hearing very real concern, kind of nervousness that if republicans lost just how much bedlam would let loose and there would be a leadership purge, i garage you. >> i heard more discussion about ronald reagan running for office and being president in '69 than i've heard to date about hillary clinton. i don't see it. >> speaking of today top clinton aides, friends and donors with an eye to 2016 will descend on the bill clinton presidential library. they are celebrating its tenth anniversary. event also reflects the talk of the next potential clinton campaign another white house run by the former first lady. still there's some concern that democrats are getting ahead of themselves. during panel discussion former obama adviser david axelrod
urged the former secretary of state to quote get out of the cocoon of inevitableability. he added i think the danger for secretary clinton is that as was the case in 2007, her zandcy is out in front of the rationale for it. does it match? >> it's a fair statement. >> good way of putting it. >> she did not have a clear rationale in 2007 other than it was her turn and she was the inevitable candidate. that was a huge problem for her. she eventually found the message but too late in the spring of 2008. right now a lot is demanded of her to come up with a message early. she still has time. david's point seeing right at this moment beyond now it's her turn, her time there's not a clear articulating rationale for the candidacy. >> how do you get out of the
cocoon of inevitableilty. >> you shouldn't have come out with a book. >> how do you know everybody assumes you are. >> elizabeth warren has got to stake out her turf because there's no assumptions she will be the candidate. if you're hillary clinton you have to act as if. you run a successful business even when it's doing great as if it's in trouble. that's what you have to do with a presidential campaign. the great key to success in business even when you're on top run it as if you're going out of business. >> run scared. >> ask yourself the question, right now if elizabeth warren decided tomorrow she was going run for president nobody would have any lack of clarity why she was running. you could explain that in two sentences. right now hillary clinton you can't explain in two sentences. >> one of the famous moments, mika, in presidential history over the past 30, 40 years was when ted kennedy was going to
run in 1980 and everybody presumed he was going to destroy jimmy carter and he was interviewed by roger mudd who he considered to be a friend and roger mudd asked him the question, why do you want to be president? and it was the most pained tortured awkward response. he could not answer that simple question. and bluntly his presidential campaign never really took off and never recovered. hillary clinton right now couldn't answer that question. if somebody got a microphone in her face and asked her why do you want to run for president it might be the same thing. she couldn't even promote a book this summer. >> that's my question. >> without falling over herself. i'm wondering for somebody who has world renowned status like bill and hillary clinton they are known internationally, their name recognition will never go away. >> right. >> if for the past two years she had not come out with a book, had taken time off, kind of
disappeared almost and gone into hiding, do whatever she needs to do to sort of recover from serving as secretary of state which is a recovery process, it's exhausting, those jobs, would she be in a weaker position to run or a stronger one when she comes out of the box? >> if i were in her position -- >> or a book that comes out later on a real issue. >> if i were in her position i would be glad that i went on the book tour and had as many mistakes as i had because that would tell me boy i am not in mid-season form. this is not june of 2008. i better get ready this time. so maybe it was a disastrous pre-season. >> that was useful. >> and that's going to be useful. >> she was good on the stump for candidates this fall not to the point where she has a rationale for a candidacy. she was going good. she was very good --
>> what would she have lost by not doing anything? >> very hard for her, i think, to dropout of sight and go into a reclusive posture. >> she was campaigning, basically, in a shadow campaign form, coming out with a book. what would she have lost -- >> had not written the book? not very much. she might have learned a lot. she learned a lot even from the mistakes she made. >> as much as it's rationale, part of the problem is obama. you have to be -- she was part of his administration. he's been in office for years or will have been. clearly voters have soured on the guy. if he's in bad straits with poll numbers. >> you give us the answer. >> just tired of people just are ready to change. >> that's what i mean. >> it's as simple as that. her picture comes on, i just want to see -- >> she and jeb bush represent, i
really do believe this, a sort of sclerosis that's not only begun to clog up washington, d.c. that doesn't work, but american society at large. look at the fact that the rich keep getting richer. poor keep getting poorer. washington doesn't work. the irs doesn't work. the va doesn't work. there are no new ideas. this was the most shallow campaign that's ever been run other than the one that was run two years before that, other than the one that was run two years before that. they are campaigns about nothing but spending more and more money, more and more crony capitalism, more and more about k street throwing in money and wall street throwing in money and your answer is for an american electorate that are starving for something new, another bush and another clinton 25 years later. it's like south america somebody said in the 19th-century.
think about this. a bush in the white house in 1980. in 1984. in 1988. a clinton '92. a clinton in '96. a bush in 2000. a bush in 2004. not eight, not 12, in 16, in 20 you would have had a bush or clinton in the white house in 36 of 44 years. that is the definition of political sclerosis and that, to spend half a century that way between two warring political families, that is about as bad of a condemnation on this constitutional republic as i could imagine. >> except they are not warring. they are. >>gram friends. >> that makes it worse. actually that makes it worse. >> don't forget the last clinton in the state department. >> there's new information coming in on the fight against isis. iraqi officials tell the associated press that government
forces have just driven isis militant from a key oil refinery town 140 miles north of baghdad. isis is joining forces with an al qaeda linked group in syria. according to the ap the militants met at at that farmhouse last week and audiotape goode to stop fighting each other. new audiotape which nbc has not yet verified suggests leader of isis was not severely injured or killed in an air strike. joining us from across the syrian border in turkey, nbc chief foreign correspondent richard engel. richard? >> reporter: well, a lot of things that you just mentioned. first, the town where isis has been holding on to a key oil refinery the iraqi army has been trying to take it for months. according to iraqi officials justin last 24 hours or so they have managed to take another portion of the town, but frankly iraqi officials have claimed
this before. the iraqi government does not have much credibility in announcing its offensives. i would give it more time to see how much they really control the town and how much authority they have on the ground. the other report that isis and this al qaeda-linked front in syria are now making peace, eve also heard that before. those groups have a very similar ideology but they've had leadership issues in the past and it is not clear at all that they are now on the same sheet. i think eventually that will happen but i'm not sure if it's happened yet. in terms of the latest abu bakr al-baghdadi audiotape, i think that is probably the clearest development that we have so far. this is a recording, sounds very much like abu bakr al-baghdadi. in it he's making new threats, calling for new recruits and certainly does not sound as iraqi officials said last week that he was killed. >> you can catch richard engel
recording the battle against isis tonight at 9:00 p.m. on msnbc. richard, thank you very much. and jeremy peters, thank you as well. still ahead on "morning joe," alan alda, governor scott walker and yao ming join the conversation. plus kim kardashian's break the internet moment will finally be addressed here on "morning joe." >> we've been waiting. >> you know who will help us with this? suzie essman. she joins us in a few minutes. an odd couple for the ages. what brought the world's tallest and shortest living men. we'll being right back. >> love that picture.
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♪ all right. it's time for the morning papers. the times west virginia, west virginia university has suspended all fraternity and soroity activities after an 18-year-old student was found unconscious in a frat house. the decision comes a week after 19d pledges were involved in a brawl. the student remains in critical condition. university officials say the safety and well being of students is first priority. the matter continues to be investigated. >> people with kids in college, how bad it is. >> it's so frightening. >> "new york times," allegation during the bidding process to host the 2022 world cup. widespread allegations that the country won the rights by
providing the officials with personal favors. >> sam -- >> this is not fair. i get the fifa story. >> "daily mail" world's tallest and shortest living men joined forces yesterday to celebrate the 60th anniversary of the guinness world records. two metaphor the first time ever in london. the tallest 8'3" and the world's shortest at 21 1/2 inches tall. the men have a height difference. seven feet came together for a photo shoot. both plan to meet again. who would you rather be? >> definitely 8 feet. >> independent reports say there's a tiger loose in paris. french officials say it was spotted near disneyland and since there are no big cats at the theme park they have no idea where it came from. animal experts say judging by the pawprint the tiger is still young and weighs about 100
pounds. a helicopter is now assisting in the search and people in the area are being told to stay indoors. really? tiger on the loose? okay. still ahead, senator-elect cory gardner joins us in a few minutes. two tv legends working for the fundraiser time under the bright lights of broadway, alan alda and candice bergen join us on set. more "morning joe" straight ahead. ♪
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we want something else. >> it is now, we got emmy award winners alan alda and candice bergen. that's huge. they are now sharing the stage in the broadway show "love letters." this is an extraordinary concept. it's not fathom of the opera. there's not fog. a lot of broadway lately has become catchy and effects with people dangling from the audience. concept here pretty radical by 2014 standards. i can't wait to see it. tell us about it. >> we come out on stage and we read the letters between these two people who met in -- >> fourth grade. >> fourth grade. and then their letters extend over their whole lives and in the course of that you find out that they have never -- they are drawn to each other just like any two people in the world, they are drawn to each other but
can't quite fall into total sync. >> it's two actors you don't ever look at the other actor u-sit facing the audience side-by-side at a desk. it sounds thrilling, doesn't it? >> it actually does. you all just sort of look at each other for a little bit at the end, right? >> i never see her. never see her. the brilliance of this, your can't describe it. you got to experience it. the brilliance of the writing is such that given this minimal thing we're describing of the way we do it, you feel these people's lives. >> you go through christmas cards and you go through all this correspond and you always wonder was true love a lot closer to me than -- >> they are more in love than they know they are in ways that they don't understand. >> when we think about the two you doing this, who signed on first. did you know, candice that al
was going to do it? >> we have the same agent. >> there are different pairings doing this. how did you know you guys would get to be this love couple. >> we both said yes. that's the way it works in life. you have to say yes you just can't not say no. >> at the same time knowing you guys -- >> it just seemed ideal. >> the addition of the audience has been so much fun. >> it helps a lot. >> they not only laugh all through the play which sometimes came as a surprise to us because lines we thought were just normal speech turned out to be funny. because we are just playing the scene. but then you get the audience, when these characters get in trouble, last night a woman started sobbing and you could hear it from the stage. one night when they got in trouble a guy in the house went, oy! >> just quickly about the black list. >> yeah. >> i lost my head on the black
list. >> people watching lost their head over that episode too. they western expecting what was going to come with that. >> that's one of the fun things with that show. you don't know what will happen again. you get involved with somebody, they die you get used to him being dead and he's back again. >> i don't know if america is ready to do that to alan alda. >> they don't mind. >> you can see alan alda and candice bergen in "love letters" through through december 18th. we'll be right back. ♪ mmm mmm mmm mm mmm mm mmmmmm here we go, here we go, here we go.
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and i indicated to speaker boehner several months ago that if, in fact, congress failed to act i would use all the lawful authority that i possess to try to make the system work better. and that's going to happen. the minute they pass a bill that i can sign, that fixes our immigration system, then any executive actions i take are replaced. >> i had maybe naively hoped the president would look at the results of the election and decide to come to the political center and do some business with us. i still hope he does at some point. but the early signs are not good. let me tell you who did get the message. and that was senate democrats. i think they got the message on the keystone pipeline. that's why you've seen the current majority in the senate have an epiphany and have a vote
that they have been blocking. >> president obama and mitch mcconnell talking about immigration and keystone pipeline two big topics dominating the conversation on capitol hill. one of the lawmakers who helped give republicans control of the senate, senator-elect cory gardner of colorado. congratulations, sir. >> congratulations, cory. great to have you with us. we heard so many great things about you. many people said you ran the best campaign of 2014. that's like going on the air and saying i'm not a witch. >> had a lot of good people around me. >> one of the things that was striking to me on election night, when you won, you know, so many times people get elected and they clinch their fist and say this is our time. but you said something that really stuck out to me and i thought it was great. you said this isn't about republicans, this isn't about democrats, this is about a washington that doesn't work. we have to fix it. how important do you think that was to your victory, not some
ideological wave. >> i think it's the colorado way. if you look at colorado in 20808, 2010, 2014, this is a state that's electing people based on what they think they will do to break the gridlock not what they will do for their party or deposition or republicans and that's what we have to do as a whole as a nation as congress is making sure we're approaching at any time same way for all of america. >> we covered your race closely. i talked about the "denver post" endorsemen. what did do you when you opened up the newspaper and found out the "denver post" had endorsed you. >> i'll never forget where i was. i was at a press conference with the governor. we were at one of the roads that had been destroyed in the flooding last year. and my staff came up and told me right there and i was stunned. so for the first time at a press conference i was really, really quiet. they were very happy with me. >> let me go down the checklist here. unfortunately, there's some voices out there that mitch
mcconnell doesn't appreciate. talk of a government shutdown. is there anyway you could support a government shutdown or a default on the debt as mitch mcconnell was saying yesterday there's no way he ever could. >> absolutely not. there's no time, place or purpose of a government shutdown or default. that's ridiculous. something that a mature governing body doesn't even contemplate. so over the next several weeks, over the next several days as we put together that agenda the first 100 days of accomplishment to the american people, we ought to make it very clear that simply is not acceptable. >> if republicans have a rob with immigration then they need to take it up that way and not by shutting down the government >> republicans need have a solution. republicans have to have ideas on immigration reform. i support immigration reform making sure we start where american people want to it start, border security. bring a small guest worker program because that has to be part and parcel of border security. but to simply say no i believe is unacceptable. just to say no to everything is
unacceptable. that's the message that american people sent on tuesday night. the president needs to do the right thing and work with congress. >> you say you just can't say no to everything. what issues do you think you can meet in the middle on that perhaps your party didn't do so much of in the past. >> i think there's opportunities to put a number of bills on the president's desk in a bipartisan fashion whether it's the keystone pipeline that we're about to do with bill cassidy or making sure we repeal the medical device tax, making sure we're putting solutions forward to grow our economy, get our country back to work and prove to the american people that tuesday night's lessons won't be forgotten. i said on election night coloradans are not red or blue but krystol clear like the rocky mountain air. they want congress to do its job and get out of the way. >> i'm curious the exit polls were screwed up in colorado. we don't know in a definitive way what percentage of the hispanic vote you got.
have you guys done that, do you know what the answer? >> there's various reports showing higher than what mitt romney had in terms of 2012 but the bottom line is this. we were reaching out. we went into the hispanic communities across colorado in one county in pueblo county in colorado one of the largest counties in the state, we did very well. in fact i think we may have tied with senator udall or lost by a couple hundred votes. we made significant inroads and because we've talked about the need to grow our economy, education, opportunities, things we can do together. >> if the president goes ahead and goes this executive action on immigration do you feel the next step is for congress to take it up as he's suggesting and try to do a bill that would meet the president's criteria have a pathway to citizenship or do you think immigration reform be dead if he goes ahead and does this executive action. >> i hope to president will do the right in this. tuesday night sent the message to all of us we should work
together. to me the right thing isn't to use a bully pulpit to force your way or maintain the monopoly because you think your ideas are the only ideas. the bottom line the house and senate should work together. people said we've tried to do that. it can take time. let's get together. let's work. let's use this new era of goodwill if that's what you want to call it as an opportunity to do something instead of talking about it or do things that create bigger problems. >> congratulations on winning. your position of work together. what do you say to a ted cruz in your party who basically says the president is a man of lawlessness, we need to repeal health care, the entire direction of the party should be to stop president obama at any cost. so, let's give mr. cruz a little religion, if you will, on kind of your -- >> what's your obsession with ted cruz. seriously. everybody in the mainstream media brings up ted cruz. >> everything is opposite -- >> ted cruz is like alone in his
own caucus. >> i want this new wave. >> he's running for president. >> i want this new wave of republican main stay to say like people like me say boy you were out of line. >> cory, donny wants you to correct a sitting senator before you even are sworn in. >> that's how you make a lot of friends. one of things i think we have to do is simply this. republicans can't object posed to everything. if we're opposed to something let's come up with an idea how we do it better or why our ideas are better in terms of not doing that but doing something different. what we have to do is present that opportunity front, the opportunity agenda, the ways we can do something that matters to the american people. we can't simply say no or be opposed. that i hope is the new way forward for the next two years. >> that's the message for ted cruz. >> for all of us. >> that's the message to american people.
>> he's stirring the pot. >> there's an obsession with ted cruz you and so many people on the left have. >> ted cruz feeds it. >> senator, chow what he stands for, he stands for running for president and getting a conservative faction to follow him that feel disenfranchised up. >> senator i want to follow up on what john was asking. i want to get more specifics out of you which is if you do respond, the republican party does respond to the president with some sort of immigration reform plan to supersede his executive action what do you envision is in that plan. >> i haven't been part of those discussions with the senate or house leadership in what they would do to supersede any kind of executive order. we heard people talk about what it may or may not be. bottom line is we have this opportune in time for the president to do the right thing. to work with congress and the
house and senate and for republican leadership, republicans in the house and senate come together and realize we have to do something. whatever the president does by executive order it won't be the kind of fixes we need to the overall system to make sure it's built to last for the next 30 to 40 years instead of having the pieces and parts that we have today. >> let me skit another way. i know you don't want to shut down the government. there's been some news reported that house republicans may consider a lawsuit over it. is that something that you think is appropriate? >> again, i don't know who is considering a lawsuit and i don't know the extent of executive power. the bottom line is this instead of charging each other with lawsuits or executive action or abuses of power why don't we do what the american people sent us to do, let's work together. be the grown ups in the room. get the job done. >> thank you. >> thank you so much, cory. great to have you with us. senator cory gardnering thank you. bob costas wrote in "the
washington post" that's what john boehner will do. let the courts decide. which seems actually if you got a political question that seems like the way to do it. >> bob costas is not covering football. >> robert costas. >> coming up, our next guest explains what the mid-term elections were really about. >> donny -- >> orchestrate my god look at this. comedian and actress suzie essman from curve joins us next. a secure retirement. a new home. earning your diploma.
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>> i'm done. i'm over it. i'm turned off. leave. get the [ bleep ] out. okay. >> i'm turned off. leave. joining us now from "curb your enthusiasm," comedian susie essman. >> who says no to a house tour? was i wrong? >> no. >> i do feel -- >> you know what, though, everybody is like -- larry does what everybody wants to do. >> exactly. where is larry. >> he's in l.a. but he'll be back because he has a new broadway play starting february 2nd. yesterday. die the voice over. i know the exact dates. >> how much of that is good. is it like okay you guys are going to fight about a house tour. >> it will say something like larry comes in, gives something to jeff. susie says want a tour of the
house, larry says no, susie gets mad. i'm turned off we just make it up. >> susie, you're at the comedy club tonight, tomorrow. i have a feeling you're going to talk about kim kardashian. >> i'm not. i don't talk about -- because i don't care. that's all she's got. let her flaunt it. what else does she have? that's her talent. >> look how big that blur has to be. >> donny, don't you think she's kind a brilliant advertising person? >> actually, her mom is actually -- although i did, one night, i have to say this, i was on leno. following them. >> oh, my god. >> i turned to her and she said, what's your brand? and she said, my fans. so the answer's no. but her mother's brilliant actually. >> i don't talk about -- i can't give them energy. it annoys me that i even know who they are. >> why does it annoy you? >> because why do i have them in my head? why do i know their napes? i don't follow them.
why are they taking up space in my head? >> exactly. why? what have they done to us? because i know -- i know kris, the mom. and then the kids, kourtney and -- i know this stuff. >> why, why? >> because you can't avoid it. >> i've somehow avoided it. >> no you haven't. who's kim kardashian. what size panties does she wear? you know. >> i don't know. so what are you going to talk about? >> tonight? >> yeah. >> i never know. i'll probably talk about my kids and my husband and my mother who's driving me crazy. >> you got four kids. three of them out of the house. not sure what they were doing. i was asking if they were coke dealers. you said they could be. >> well, you never know what you're doing. >> you never know with kids. you do know you're not paying their rent. >> no, it's incredible. three out of the four. by the way, the empty nest, which you have not experienced yet, every day feels like you're
on vacation. >> really? >> it's amazing. they'll all be home thanksgiving. what's going to happen is all of a sudden what are we doing for dinner? what's for dinner? like i'm the menu planner. they live on their own. they shop, they cook. they come home -- >> they revert. >> three meal, a day, i have to plan. >> you don't miss them? >> no. look, i had dinner with them the other night in the city. i love the adult relationship. i still pick up the check, you know, and then we go to the supermarket and i pay for everything there. but when i'm not there, they're on their own. >> i've been having kids for 26 years. >> you did it wrong. >> i will never be an empty nester. >> how old is your youngest? >> 6. >> i have a 7-year-old. i love it. >> it's wrong at your age, donny. it's so wrong. >> joe, why do i have the kids, you know. >> because donny actually uses the kids, like a lot of people -- >> they're props. >> in college, guys buy cute puppy dogs, walk them across the quad. donny actually had kids, he
actually gets women pregnant because he wanted three, four, five years from now, to be able to go through central park and pick up women. >> he's right. >> he uses his children as props. >> donny, again -- >> -- pathetic human beings. >> i do love them. >> if that's the only way you can get women. what's going to happen is they're going to see your kids, they're going to see you, they're going to think you're grandpa. you have to explain yourself. it's not going to be pretty in the end. >> they think i'm a renaissance man. >> they think you're grandpa. >> good lord. >> can i say honestly i understand the old guys wanting younger women, but i find it absolutely repulsive. >> i always date age appropriate women. >> really? >> i'm not that old, first of all. >> uh-huh. okay, sure. >> 47 is not that old, okay. >> 47? >> 47 is not -- >> get out of here. in what lifetime. >> i'm going to be 57. >> he's lived a rough life.
>> what is your tinder profile say? >> i'm not on tinder. >> liar. >> all right, so susie, when you're talking tonight and you're doing your stand-up routine, you're not going to go the kim kardashian route and you say you don't know who taylor swift is. but you stay away from pop? >> i don't stay away from anything. it's just what's interesting to me. taylor swift doesn't enter me. >> does ted cruz? >> ted cruz interests me. the fact that joe is a denier of ted cruz. >> yes. >> thank you. >> joe's humiliated by the existence of ted cruz so he doesn't -- you just want to say, ted cruz, pooh pooh it, when the reality is he's your guy. >> thank you, susie. >> i like ted cruz. >> what do you like about him? >> he's a good guy. >> what is this good guy? >> this whole i'd like to have a beer with this guy does not fly with me. >> why not? because he doesn't believe what you believe? >> not only does he not believe what i believe, he doesn't believe what he believes.
>> how do you know that? >> i don't. >> you know what, thank you for admitting that. >> i love her. >> really, half of these people i think are char latins. . i think it's just an attention-getting device. i don't think they really believe these things they're saying. >> it's like kim kardashian pulling down her -- >> my husband and i watch you every morning. >> that's nice. >> with our coffee in bed with our little puppy dog. who we have not to pick up people but because we love the animal. it's a sincere -- >> i don't not love my children, i'm just going back to the motivation for having them. >> keep on having them, populate the world. >> you were saying how you don't believe in science. >> i was joking. >> i hope so because if you don't believe in science, then you have to give up everything that -- you can't go to a hospital. you can't have a cell phone. you can't have a toilet that functions. >> susie, you're making me so tired right now. >> you can't have coffee. >> you weren't denying science
yesterday, were you? what happened when i was gone? i took the day off. >> i was so bad -- >> tomorrow is 8:00 -- >> i saw you took a day off. you took a mental health day. >> i took a mental health day. i haven't done that -- i can't remember ever. i always come back on my vacations. i never really take time off. >> well, that's not good, mika. >> i'm going to now. >> what's like your relaxation? >> i went to see my daughter and it was so nice. >> in college? >> yes. and we sat in bed and watched youtube videos. >> she runs like six or seven miles. that's how she relaxes. that's just not good. >> no, who wants to run? >> not me. >> not me either. >> unless somebody's chasing me. >> maybe i'll go to the gotham tonight. >> come, it will be funny. >> this is my girl crush. u.s. is susie, thank you so much. also come back when larry come because we need to keep him in check when he sits here and says nothing and is totally uncooperative. >> does he do that?
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it is 8:00 a.m. on the east coast. welcome to "morning joe." we have donny deutsch and in washington jeremy peters. >> you were right. >> what? >> oh, i know. >> dude's on his cell phone. >> mark my words -- i'm going to take it a step further. he was texting, i bet, before the phone call. >> so he's on his cell phone. the secret services guy, while the other dude breaks into the white house and he's on his cell phone. >> these cell phones are changing our society. >> -- his backup radio inside. >> distracted -- >> he turned off the radio he's supposed to have on because he's on his cell phone and he doesn't want -- it's unbelievable. talk about the scathing report, mika, that's just been released. >> that's the bottom line. this is on the white house security breach that happened in september. the department of homeland security fault secret service
agents for nearly a dozen performance organizational and technical failures. those errors allowed omar gonzalez to jump the white house fence with a knife, run across the north lawn and enter the first family's home. he then overpowered a female secret service officer and ran across the 80-foot east room before he was apprehended. the report states the secret soips's alarm systems and radios did not work properly. a uniformed secret service officer with an attack dog was also allegedly taking -- taking on a cell phone instead of listening to a two-way radio. his standby radio was in his locker. >> what else i don't understand is they had agents that drew guns on this guy and he -- they go, well be we don't think he's armed. so they drew their guns. he ran past them. i think there was even an agent in the white house, inside the
white house, where he came in, drew his gun and said, well, he doesn't look armed. i mean, donny, oh, my god. the guy had a knife on him. that equals armed. if there had been a civilian or somebody walking around the white house, he could have grabbed them. listen, i'm sorry, i don't care who it is. if they're racing there, the presumption has to be they're armed. not that they're not armed. >> either way, shoot them. you're running into my house, if i have a gun, i'm going to take you down. it's almost beyond comprehension. >> shoot 'em. >> look -- >> they're in the white house. >> we talked about this and, you know, this -- let's call it a snafu to be nice. it's just one more example -- >> like a dozen snafus. >> institutions, you know, whether it is the irs, whether it is the veterans administration, whether it is the secret service, you know, where -- >> government doesn't work. >> when does it work? when does it get right? it's stunning.
it's really stunning. >> i think the story here is really about tablets and cell phones. as we move forward, security jobs and other jobs that demand complete focus and attention. the question is is are they going to be allowed to have -- >> there's also the question why you don't shoot somebody once they're inside the white house. because you're presuming they're not armed. >> i read somewhere that it's hard -- an article i read. it's really a lot more complicated to shoot someone in the leg than you think it is. >> yeah, okay. >> at the same time, don't they have taser guns or something they could do to inpempede a ma with a knife? >> we are tracking -- >> at the end of the day, he's a dad. can you imagine what must have went down that day with him, with his kids in there? can you imagine? >> the guy ran right past the staircase to go upstairs to where the kids are. >> that's not even the first
thing. there was a shooter who shot at the white house from way down the street that they covered up essentially for a while. the first family must be absolutely gassed. >> we'll be following that. let's get to the big story. oh, boy, fireworks. >> i think so. >> are we going to see more of the same? is there some sort of diversion from the norm? president obama said this morning he'll move to overhaul parts of the immigration system by the end of the year and it's already raising the prospect of a government shutdown within some circles of the gop. "the new york times" reports the white house plan would prevent the deportation of as many as 5 million undocumented immigrants. it would reform the role of law enforcement, add more security to the border, and allow the parents of children born in the u.s. to get work documents. the plan would also boost opportunities for more legal immigrants with expertise in technology. yesterday, house democrats called on the president to take decisive action even if it came
without full congressional backing. some republicans, meanwhile, are threatening a shutdown, saying they want to hold up the budget. >> let's not do that. >> you've got a "w." a big "w." >> well, let's see. let's listen to what they say about this. because perhaps their tone shows they know they've won and it's time for kind of a new approach. >> are you being sarcastic? >> no, i mean, i'm hoping what we're about to see is a real change. >> -- shutting the government down, threatening default on the national debt -- >> even if he goes forward on immigration? >> we will not be shutting the government down or threatening default on the national debt. >> we're going to fight the president tooth and nail if he continues down this path. this is the wrong way to govern. all the options are on the table. we're having discussions with our members. there are no decisions made as
to how we will fight this. >> i think mitch mcconnell said it pretty straight. no government shutdown, right, jeremy peters? >> he did. although it may not be entirely his choice. john boehner once again is having to wrestle with the tea party faction in his caucus and i think what's going -- what's likely to happen here is the president's going to wait until after congress deals with the budget to do anything. so congress therefore can't shut down the government in response to what the president has done on illegal immigration. but i do think there is a serious, serious amount of caution inside the republican party right now. especially among the new senate majority or the incoming senate majority. that shutting down the government would completely squander all of the gains that they just made. all of the good will that they have among the public right now. >> explain that. why do you think that is? >> i think the first thing they want to do -- the first thing they do when they come back, after they're elected, the
majority party in congress for the first time since 2006, is they come in and shut down the government? i think that would look horrible. i think republicans would get blamed for that. >> well, they did last time. >> they certainly did. i will say, it's a little bit different this time because when the president acts unilaterally on just about anything, that has less public support. and we've seen that in the past just this whole notion of executive action on immigration to allow these people to stay here without going through congress. that has proven unpopular. not just in states like arkansas. but in states like colorado and iowa. i do think that's a concern for democrats. >> this was the republicans, blame for the government shutdown in 2013. we've heard a couple of republicans talk about this. but the overwhelming majority are just not going to go there. >> look at what mitch mcconnell
has to deal with in the senate. he has people up for re-election this year in very blue states. mark kirk, ron johnson, pat toomey. they're all in predominant -- obama won state. so he has to grapple with that calculus. that's not the cam k lus john boehner has to battle with. even if the dynamics are different. a shutdown would go straight to the president's desk. i can't imagine -- >> it's not going to do it, they're just not going to do it. >> much more likely for them to put this into the lawsuit they're already going after the president on for his -- >> don't talk about a shutdown. don't talk about impeachment. don't talk about default. you know, you're now moving towards 2016 and have a chance to win the white house and keep it away from the clintons for eight more years. don't talk about those things. >> all the republicans have to do is just stay center right and
not show -- >> the interesting thing about this is twofold, number one, we talk about this -- the republican win would actually energize obama and we're seeing it with that neutral thing. he's starting to double down. he's like, you know, kind of backed in a corner. he's coming out fighting. you've got the hispanics. obviously we know how crucial there are. this will now force republican candidates -- how harsh do they come out against the president? and now the spotlight is back on the fractured republican -- >> i have a prediction. i think they let it pass. write it down. i think they let it pass. they're screaming and yelling from the right. and it just becomes the law. because they don't want to pass their own immigration bill. this becomes the law of the land. the people that are running in the blue states. like you said, the republicans running the blue states say yeah, i didn't oppose it. i didn't like the way he did it.
there are some good reforms there. the right wingers can scream and yell and say he should be impeached. the people running for president, the governors running for president, they can all go, yeah, these were things that needed to happen. it sort of eases it along. the courts are taking the gay marriage debate out of the hands of a lot of republican candidates. >> conveniencconvenience. >> a lot republicans want to win in 2016 who will say let that pass. >> i totally agree with you. i think that's probably the smart strategic move. it's easier to say listen, we're against executive action and put aside the politics on this. that way you don't enrage the hispanic population. but you can talk about obama overreach. it's a simple play for mitch mcconnell and anyone running in 2016. >> oh, lord. and then there's the keystone pipeline which is set for a
house vote today. the issue was fast tracked in large part to the runoff between landrieu and cassidy, both trying to show they can provide for the state. supporters say it will create thousands of american jobs. some analysts suggest the falling price of crude means its market value may be less than it costs to transport and produce here in the u.s. the president, who retains his veto power, weighed in on the issue this morning while on his trip to asia. >> as a policy matter, my government believes that we should just this pipeline based on whether or not it accelerates climate change or whether it helps the american people with their energy costs and their gas prices. and i have to constantly push back against this idea that
somehow the keystone pipeline is either this massive jobs bill for the united states or is somehow lowering gas prices. understand what this project is. it is providing the ability of canada to pump their oil, send it through our land, down to the gulf, where it will be sold everywhere else. that doesn't have an impact on u.s. gas prices. >> major environmental questions as well. do you think he should veto it? >> i think if he vetoes, he proves he's captive to big money on the left. there's just no other way to put it. you look at his own state department. they say this is more environmentally sensitive. having a pipeline, continue to allow trunks and tankers to move this oil around. they say it's going to create 45,000, 55,000 new jobs. is this going to cause this great renaissance of like american -- you know, american
workforce? no. but it's 45,000, 55,000 jobs. >> a massive bargaining chip, is that what you're saying? >> no, what i'm saying is there's no good -- there's no logical reason whatsoever for the president to veto this, other than hard core ideologues on the left who spend billions of dollars on democratic campaigns. don't want him to do it. that is the only reason why. this is donny and sam, this is a growing problem i think for democrats. as a republican, i've seen for some time, oh, gee, this issue is breaking against republicans. we talked about gay marriage before. this is an issue that's going to break against republicans. we're the younger generation. this growing energy revolution where we're going to be the number one producer of oil by 2020 and it's going to cause manufacturing and everything to go down. democrats are actually on the wrong side of that issue. of an historical trend. and somebody has to help them, in my opinion. >> i tend to see the politics
here, which is there's going to be enough support for this thing to probably pass. and the question becomes what did the president get as a let me leverage point for it. in exchange, we'll do these types of environmental regulations on our coal plants so we have a net neutral carbon deal in place. we don't leave in a logical political world. we live in a world where landrieu needs to be rescued in her senate race. >> i've been saying this for a year. you give me minimum wage increase to $9.15 and i will -- >> the crazy part is any point he could have leveraged that for something. now he may end up with a veto proof majority in the senate and have no leverage. >> the president still has the power to say i'm going to veto this bill. i'm going to send it back to you, attach $9.15 minimum wage increase to it, and i'll sign it. you'll see a lot of those
republicans in the senate that are in those blue states that are going to be running in 2016 saying, i'll be be a part of that. we'll see what the house does. >> still ahead this hour on "morning joe," republican governor scott walker join us fresh off his successful bid for re-election. former nba great turned animal activist yao ming will be here on set. coming up, americans are quitting their jobs at a higher ration than any other point for the past six years. >> i've been thinking about it for the past six years. i have quit, i seriously have. at one point, they're going to let me. >> time off. we'll tell you why that's a good thing, next. first. >> bill karins, it is cold out there, my man. very cold. >> it's been a brutal stretch, joe. the snow continues. i mean, when the temperatures are like midwinter, we're going to get midwinter weather. we've got a lot of snow and ice. yesterday, this was very impressive. this happened in ohio. a very strong lake-effect snow band. take a listen.
that wasn't a tree falling. that's thundersnow. the thunderclap you heard. it's pretty cool it happens at night because of the colors of the lightning and snow, it actually shows an eerie green. usually you get really heavy snow rates. in erie pennsylvania, they had 14 inches. bear alaska, there's three hours of daylight today. the sun doesn't come up until about 11:30 and it sets at 2:00. it's 30 degrees. that's balmy by bear standards. it is colder in hot-lanta than it is in bear, alaska. so we're still cold. it snowed a little bit last night but an inch or two from connectic connecticut, rhode island. we're still dealing with the really chilly air in the northern plains with windchills around zero. let me take you through your weekend forecast. today, really not too bad. still cold but not horrible.
saturday, light snow from kansas city to chicago. 1 to 2 inches is likely. by sunday, we're watching temperatures still kind of cool but not horrible. the next cold blast, by the way, comes in monday, tuesday, wednesday. it's targeting the great lakes and the northeast. the northeast kind of avoided this last one. it's going to be really cold next week. we're in the middle of winter, it seems like, doesn't it? you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back.
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did "the new york post" really give the mayor -- >> he was late for an important event. >> i think "the new york post" gave the mayor an alarm clock. he's smiling. >> he needs one. it's rude to be late. >> at least he took it in stride. >> it's rude. you can't be late. >> i have never been late to memorials where you ring a bell to commemorate the deaths of people in airplane crashes because i overslept. no, you know what, i may be late once in a while, not as much as i used to. i'm never late because i oversleep. that first event, that is the one event you have complete control over. >> so i think it's also a man/woman thing. i think women are always on time. >> are you punctual? >> that is so sexist. >> like a job interview, a woman will be there 45 minutes ear
ye earlier or a meeting. whenever i have meet holdings that are all women, we're all early. i'm like, oh, my god. then a bunch of guys -- >> joe, will you apologize -- >> i am actually feeling objectified right now, donny deutsch. >> like talking about stupid stuff. >> "the wall street journal." a new report indicates the justice department is collecting data from thousands of phones through devices installed on small airplanes. equipped with so-called dirty boxes which have technology -- that sounds nice. that have technology similar to cell phone towers allowing them to track calls. a large number of innocent americans are also getting snagged by their dirty boxes. >> oh, my. >> we look at the "los angeles times." hatchet and amazon have reached a deal over ebook and -- >> is this a big deal? >> will allow hatchet to set its own prices for e-books. amazon is going to resume the
sale of hatchet books immediately. just in time for the holiday season. which is most likely -- >> but, you know, there's some really good competition. >> a lot of good authors got squeezed in that. >> "the washington post." the presidential bromance between george w. bush and bill clinton has spilled over into social media. somewhat of a hash tag duel. clinton called it a touching tribute before using a hash tag, asking bush 43, quote, how are you still not on twitter. that's when bush took to instagram write, thanks, 42, using the hash tag, how are you still not on instagram. and brother from another mother. >> wow. >> i think it's funny because i think bush burned clinton because instagram is a little bit cooler. >> it is, it's kind of hipper. >> but you know what, bill clinton's advisers obviously trying to keep him from posting
pictures. i mean, you can understand, right? >> yes. >> bush also had this to say about a potential 2016 matchup between his brother and hillary clinton. >> can still like him when jeb beats hillary. you betting on that? >> if jeb runs -- i don't know if he's going to run, i really don't. i hope he does because he'd be a great president. >> there you go. >> nothing tests a bromance like when your son is competing against your best friend's wife. >> it's just a little too close, you know. >> sibling, yeah. >> just weeks after winning re-election as governor of wisconsin, scott walker is already planning some big change, for the badger state. he'll tell us ways first on his agenda next when "morning joe" returns. they're still after me. get to the terminal across town.
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lack of transparency is a huge political advantage. basically call it the stupidity of the american voter or whatever but basically that was really, really critical to getting the thing to pass. >> professor numbnuts here wasn't the worst thing to happen to obamacare this week. on friday, the supreme court agreed to hear another legal challenge that could kill the law. the last two times i declared
obamacare dead, i dropped balloons and twerked on the grim reaper. looking back, i think that was a little immature. so tonight we're going to slow dance. jimmy. ♪ just close my eyes and i need you ♪ >> all right. joining us now -- >> weird segue. >> that was a -- >> republican governor scott walker of wisconsin. that had nothing to do with you. good to have you on the show. nice to see you again. >> mika, i'm with you. i like to be early. we call that lombardi time in wisconsin. i don't think men are usually on time ever. that's nice to know. >> it's a safe -- >> coach lombardi used to say if you're not 15 minutes ahead of time, you're not there on time. >> i don't think i would have been able to play with the packers in the 1960s.
>> you need to learn. >> scott, obviously, a lot people talking about you this morning. kimberly strasle has a great article about you in "the wall street journal." she says this, scott walker's 2016 challenge still give a lot of republican leaders pause about scott walker as well. the wisconsin's dynamo's good but the knock on him is he knows it. he has a reputation as a one-man band. chief fund-raiser. and chief political analyst. he's known to listen to a few trusted wisconsin gurus. for the most part, it's an -- i could go on and on. that is actually the only negative part in an otherwise very strong -- very strong article about you. but obviously the age of obama, we worry about sort of these lone wolves that don't have a lot of other people around them. do you agree with her assessment? "the wall street journal's"
assessment? >> i thought it was a pretty good column. the one part, no surprise, i disagree with. i'm going to be meeting with a number of members of my cabinet. you can see it. i'm going to talk with them again. just as i did last wednesday, the day after our re-election. in fact, one of your biggest fans is my secretary of tourism, going to meet with this morning. an emmy award winning former host of a tourism show here in wisconsin. that's the people we surround ourselves. my political team, i've expanded the circle of folks on the team. even after the initial election. we added some folks nationally because we knew we'd have to raise the funds and get the interest that -- >> so scott if somebody had told me that in 2008, in wisconsin, that the next election, you'd have a guy run who would win
three statewide elections in four years that conservatives loved in wisconsin, i would have told them they were crazy. what's happened. how have you done it over the past few years without betraying your conservative ideals? >> certainly wisconsin at best is a swing state. we're probably more of a blue state. more democrats than republicans four years ago. everything was democrat. governor, assembly, senate. majority of seats in the house of representatives. we changed things because we focused on fiscal and economic issues that were challenging our state and really our country at the time. and then we did something unusual in politics. i think more than anything the reason why i've been elected three types, the reason why the legislature added republican seats even after adding them two years ago, added them again this time, is because we're leaving. our reforms are working. $3 billion worth of savings. property taxes are down. tuition is frozen.
110,000 new jobs. all those things are real tangible results. i think people like the reforms. they like results. they like the fact that unlike washington where it's largely dysfunctional, we're largely getting things done. >> a lot of factors that go into a decision to run for president. so i won't ask you if you will run. i'm just wondering, do you want to run for president? >> well, i get a kick out of this. i'm pretty candid. you almost have to be crazy to want to run for president. my belief is -- >> are you crazy? no. do you want to do it? would you want to run for president? do you want to run for president? >> the difference is i think you shouldn't -- that's not something you should want to do. anybody who's been close realizes the tremendous sacrifice. but it's one of those where if you feel called to -- right now, i feel called to be governor. 2, 6, 12 years from now, who knows. we could be called to do that.
it's really something, when you think about taking a decade and committing that to the public service that's required to be effective in that job, i mean, you look at this president, look at the former president you were just talking about. there's a lot of gray hairs that come after a decade of seeking and being in that office. >> you've gotten -- there's been some attention given to some criticisms you've leveled towards governors who decided to take the medicaid expansion. you've made the argument kind of in practical terms. you said you don't want to count on congress to deliver those funds. i'm curious, in ideological terms, republican governors deci decided are not genuine conservatives. is there an ideological criticism to this? >> i'm not going to criticize fellow governor because i recognize there's 50 states. what's good for wisconsin may not be good for other states. besides the practical reality you mentioned, this president
and congress until now hasn't been able to fund the current medicate commitment. beyond that, i just ask the basic question. why is more people on medicaid a good thing? i'd rather find a way, particularly for able-bodied adults without children, i'd like to find a way to get them into the workforce. i think ideologically, that's a better approach, not just as a conservative, but as an american. have more people live the american dream if they're not dependent on the american government. >> could you be a support of the common core and be a good conservative? >> again, everybody's got a different view in my viewpy don't want standards set by people from outside of my state. that's what we're continuing to pursue. my state has the second best act scores in the country. so i'd like high standards. i just like the parents and members of our communities here in wisconsin to set them, not people outside of my state. >> there's interesting talks earlier today about wall street
worrying about governor christie in part because of his testament. we sort of contrast that with your even keeled approach. i'm wondering what role do you think temperament plays not just in a presidential campaign but in governing and how important it is. >> it's a little different state by state. christie's a great friend of mine. one of the things i point out -- i've said this in front of chris. i said chris and i are a lot alike. we like to be bold. we like to speak out. i have a little bit of a midwestern filter. that's a little different from the state i'm in versus new jersey where i think it's appropriate. that's why i love him for it. he's straight forward. i like to tell it like it is. i just tell it in midwestern terms which is a little different than what works on the east coast. that's one of the great things about great leaders. they fit the states. >> that new jersey filter works for him. governor, thank you. still ahead, we've got a behind the scenes look of a great of
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spending more on clothing. on health care. the only sort of negative one was electronics. but that was partly because the last month actually showed the spikeup with the release of the new iphone 6. that was expected. overall, painting a solid picture of americans and retail spending. it just follows on some better day that weem seen it looking at the jobs number, you can go in and find more color. for instance, this week, we got a report showing most americans are actually quitting at the fastest rate that they've been quitting in years. 2% of employees are quitting. that's actually a good sign because it means they have the confidence to go out and find a job elsewhere. hopefully, that will lead to increased wage growth is really the missing piece of this labor market recovery. i just thought it was interesting that more americans are feeling good about their jobs so they can quit. >> i like it. that is a good sign. up next -- >> i quit, by the way. >> take this job and -- >> people won't believe you if
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yao is a man of action. he doesn't just want to be a part of the message, he wants to lead the way it as he has always done. and that means walking side by side with fants and ry s eleph rhino in africa. >> really it's a race against time to get people to care su sufficie sufficiently. >> i believe if you want to learn what the truth and also the situation about an animal, you have to go to africa so we can see how they live, how they've been hunted and what is the consequence of them. >> a new approach is needed.
can yao carry this message home and carry thousands of years of tradition putting ivory on the no go list for millions of consumers? >> that was a clip from the animal planet special saving africa's giants with yao ming. here with us now is retired nba baseball superstar yao ming and the executive producer of wild aid peter knights. it's a fantastic special you put together. especially for people who are not familiar with the poaching epidemic happening internationally. so explain for us first why you wanted to put this documentary together and why you wanted to partner with yao ming. >> we worked together for a long time, mainly on shark fin soup. so as you said, people don't know about this. they don't know where it's coming from. especially in china. this film has aired in china. it's going to go worldwide.
it's really about education. most people when they know they wouldn't go near ivory but they don't. they don't understand the process. >> so american consumers can know what to stay away from. >> well it's elephants are being poached at the rate of 30,000 a year it 96 a day. one every 15 minutes. at this rate, we're going to lose the elephants in the next decade or so. and then the others are under huge pressure. if we don't do something soon, that will be the case. >> how do you get involved? >> peter came to me, like he just mentioned, almost ten years ago. we have moved to the next part, which is try and change the approach of the elephants and the rhino. we had a lot of the paper to show people how many elephants and rhino are being poached per year, per month, per day or per
minute. so it's really hard to just -- i mean, sit there. we like to film this, go to africa, film this and bring back and try to reach many people as we can and have more people join us. >> i heard edward norton there narrating. you say you've got a lot of people. a lot of high-profile people involved. >> it's been amazing to -- the pickup in china. also the chinese government has donated tens of millions of dollars of media space. we have messages going out at 7:00, prime time. >> fantastic. >> has the chinese government taken an aggressive anti-poaching approach? >> it is very aggressive. i think we started a law that the penalty can be death if you ship any of the ivory or rhino horn back to china.
but still there's a black market there. and demand there. you can't change that. when the price is there, there's people doing that for money. >> again, it's about education. the awareness. i didn't know about this. i went on safari over a year ago and i learned when i was in south africa. the porous border especially with mozambique where you can find where the poachers are coming in. there was definitely an issue with the rhino and the fact they were losing the population of the rhino. speak to what's being done to protect them and also repopulate. >> the thing is, it's a bit like the drugs trade. the demand is strong. the killing goes on. people are losing their lives. rangers. some of the money is going to finance groups like al shabab and things like that. the efforts on the ground, you know, it really is an uphill battle. obviously, i was in africa two days ago. all the governments are saying we have to address the demand. if we don't address the demand, we're not going to succeed. >> we hope everybody pays attention to this.
it's fantastic to have you on board. as a part of this. because you have a successful campaign with what you did with the shark fin issue. >> fantastic. >> yes. you can watch saving africa's giants with yao ming on animal planet next tuesday, november 18th, at 10:00 p.m. eastern and pacific times. yao ming and peter knights. gentlemen, thank you. >> thank you so much. >> really good work, we really appreciate it. >> up next, it we learn anything today? >> i think so.
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it's unbelievable. >> donny deutsch is not on tinder. >> what did you learn? >> i learned something in the green room. interviewing susie for my book. first of all, no is the most powerful word in hollywood. she gave me the most amazing negotiating advice. >> what was that? >> it will be in the book. that's all i'm going to say. she's amazing. >> all right, kids. thank you so much for watching this week as always. we really do appreciate your patience. >> no, everyone likes you. >> tomorrow. alabama against mississippi state. "daily rundown" is next. we'll see you monday. multitasking on the other side of the globe. president obama comes out even stronger on keystone and lets republican leaders know he's not budging on immigration. meantime, back at hope, a
appropriate. that's what i would say. plus, the guy has gotten paid all year long. dr. dyson, thanks for doing the show. tomorrow night, i will be on outdoor assignment, as they call it. that's "the ed show." "politicsnation" with reverend al sharpton starts right now. >> good evening, and thanks to you for tuning in. tonight's lead, meet the new gop. same as the old one. the gop's new spirit of togetherness lasted about as long as one of john boehner's golf games. just a day after incoming senate majority mcconnell gave some conciliatory words about the way forward, speaker john boehner slammed that door shut when he went after president obama for his intention to take executive action on immigration. >> i've made clear to the president that if he acts
unilaterally, on his own, outside of his authority, he will poison the well, and there will be no chance for immigration reform moving in this congress. when you play with matches, you take the risk of burning yourself. and he's going to burn himself if he continues to go down this path. this immigration issue has become a political football over the last ten years or more. it's just time to deal with it. >> he's going to burn himself? strange words when you're talking about a president. he is right that it is time -- it's past time really, to deal with immigration. but no one should know that better than speaker boehner. just listen to what he himself as said previously. >> i think a comprehensive approach is long overdue. is immigration reform dead?
absolutely not. >> there's a possibility that congress could take this issue up next year. >> for speaker boehner, it's always next year for immigration reform. that's why so many are hoping the president will take action now. after all, it's been 497 days since the senate immigration bill passed. and boehner's house still has not voted on it. it's outrageous. and boehner's giving us the same old song and dance on health care too. today he admits mckoj renewed their commitment to repeal obamacare. and later, he hammered that point home. >> obamacare is hurting our economy. it's hurting middle-class families, and it's hurting the ability for employers to create more jobs. and so, the house, i'm sure, at some point next year, will move to repeal obamacare.
>> wow. nothing says compromise like your 56-vote to repeal obamacare. and look, the facts show the health care law isn't hurting jobs. the country has seen 55 straight months of private sector job growth under president obama. that historic streak started in march of 2010, the exact same month the president signed the affordable care act into law. but speaker boehner swears he's just doing what the people want. >> the american people made it clear election day, they want to get things done. my job is to listen to the american people. listen to the american people and make their priorities our priorities. >> priorities? if he was actually working for the american people, maybe he'd raise the minimum wage. that's overwhelmingly popular. and stop corporate tax breaks.
that's popular too. the speaker should stop trying to take away people's health care. that's how he can and should work for the american people. joining me now are msnbc host jose diaz-balart, and jonathan capehart of "the washington post." thank you both for being here. >> thanks, rev. jose, let's start with immigration. what did you think of speaker boehner's comments today that the president's actions would, quote, poison the well? >> you know, rev, i don't like to put motives behind people's words. i'd rather do what you just did when you talk about what actions have been held in the past. because that's when you see true motives and intentions. let me tell you that the house of representatives did agree on something on immigration before
they went on their election break. they did agree to remove funding for any future, deferred action, like the president had done some years ago, to help hundreds of thousands of kids who were brought here through no fault of their own by their parents when they were children, come out from under the shadows and be able to work and to study and participate in this society, a society of which they know no other. so they did do something on immigration. their message was, we are against any and all issues that could take this debate forward. so my question is, my question is, let's look at what you've done in the past. and then we can see if indeed the well could be tainted or poisoned, or already has been. >> let me push a little on that, jose. what is the hispanic community's feeling? what are they saying about the
president and the executive action that he has the option of using, if he has to? >> rev, i don't speak for everybody, but i can tell you that i'm looking at the numbers, for example, on the folks who came out to vote last tuesday in the hispanic community, that could have made a difference, for example, for the democratic candidates in colorado. could have made a difference for the candidates in georgia, louisiana, north carolina. by the way, some of those senators -- incoming, were the ones who asked the president to delay his dealing on immigration until after the election. there's a sense that the president said he would act on immigration in the summer. and then to pause this, the coalition of 39 latino organizations this week sent the president a note.
saying, we've waited long enough. it's time for you to stop all deportations who would have qualified under the senate bipartisan bill which the house didn't want to deal with. so between the period that he decide to delay that immigration act until whenever he does do it, 70,000 people have been deported, rev. >> jonathan, let me ask you this. was there any sense of a new john boehner that we heard today? [ laughter ] >> no, no new john boehner at all. when you take president obama's press conference at 3:00, mcconnell's press conference an hour earlier and then john boehner, who is the one person of the three who doesn't sound
like he's conciliatory or is -- even wants to work with the other side. mitch mcconnell, for everything that he has said in the past, including he wanted to make president obama a one-term president, he was upbeat, cheerful, made it clear what he was going to do, what he wasn't going to do. he drew his lines in the sand in the same way that speaker boehner did, but he also made it clear he's willing to work with the president on some key things. >> and the tone of john boehner was so different. >> yeah. >> because, jose, when -- let's look at the fact that even lindsey graham, a republican senator, he criticized the president for considering executive action on immigration, but he said something else very interesting too. i want to play that, jose. >> my belief is, this is a dangerous miscalculation by the president. at the end of the day, the republican party would benefit from getting immigration off the table. it would be hard for me to see how we could win the presidency
in 2016, if we're blamed for blocking immigration reform. >> now he says republicans would get blamed for not acting on immigration reform. and check this out. exit polls from tuesday found 57% of americans support a path way to citizenship. jose, if republicans don't act now, how badly will it hurt them in 2016? >> well, i like to look at the past to maybe read tea leaves about the future. you'll remember when mitt romney ran for president against president obama, his immigration policy was that all of the 11 or 12 million people that are living here without documents, the solution on immigration would be they would self-deport. that policy cost him dearly in the latino community, to the tune of 71% of all latinos that voted, voted for president barack obama. i'm not great at path, but i
know this, if there's a 12 or 13 million voting bloc, and you get 71% of 12 or 13 million, it's going to do you pretty well. >> yeah, i think i can keep up with that math myself. jonathan, let me ask you this, the president, let's say he signs executive action, and the republicans respond. is that good politics? >> well, look. the president is between a rock and a hard place, no matter what he does or doesn't do, he's going to unleash hell against him. if he takes the executive action, republicans have made it clear it's going to poison the well, and i say that they will start articles of impeachment, because that's what they have said they are going to do. if he doesn't do it, he will make angry immigration activists and advocates and others who are looking to the president, to once and for all, lead on something and stop trying to
compromise with people who clearly don't want to compromise with him. so the president takes executive action. one, we don't know exactly what he's going to do, how broad this executive order could be or would be. and that will determine how angry republicans will get, whether it will go from rage to inferno rage -- >> but, jose, when jonathan talks about we don't know how broad the executive action would be, you referred to the bipartisan senate bill that has passed the u.s. senate. that bill was by far the most compromised bill you could possibly imagine. certainly wasn't a progressive bill. it took 13 years to get full citizenship for most people. you talked about over $40 billion for security at the border. >> for the border, yes. >> talking about having a tracking device on people's work
visas. we're not talking about amnesty, nowhere near amnesty. >> and it would only include about 8 million of the 11 or 12 million people who are working here without documents. jonathan hit on a very important point. you have on the one hand, republicans saying don't poison the well. well, the well doesn't have any water apparently because there's been nothing coming out of that well on immigration reform. on the other hand, you have progressives, not only hispanic organizations, but people like gutierrez, the congressman from illinois, that says if the president doesn't go big, there may be an internal civil war in the democratic party, because he has to step forward. and this last election, rev, proved that the tepid and the timid don't win. the three senators, democratic senators who asked him to delay immigration reform, are home wishing maybe that things had gone differently for them, because they're losing and they
lost. >> that's right. have to leave it there. jose diaz-balart and jonathan capehart, nobody ever accused any of us of being tepid. thank you both for your time. and be sure to watch jose diaz-balart every morning at 10:00 a.m. eastern right here on msnbc. coming up, a top republican strategist says thank you to the democrats for not having president obama campaign with them. unbelievable. why do republicans seem to get it about president obama, but too many democrats don't? >> plus, the incredible story of the man who killed osama bin laden and his new fight today. he could now be facing criminal prosecution. and president obama's responding to michael jordan's trash talk about his golf game. you got to hear this. stay with us. i make a lot of purchases for my business.
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today in the "wall street journal" he and senator mcconnell said they'll be focusing first on jobs and the economy. boehner repeated the promise this afternoon. >> you've heard me talk many times about the many jobs bills that the outgoing senate majority has ignored. >> a new start? sounds great. except, let's look at these so-called jobs bills. one calls for repealing obamacare. another is the keep the irs off your health care act. there's also paul ryan's path to prosperity budget. and give-aways to big oil. things like outer continental shelf boundary hydrocarbon agreements. this isn't a jobs plan. it's a right-wing fantasy list. and over in the gop-controlled senate, they have other concerns
besides job bills. [ inaudible question ] >> you can bet on that. yeah. >> and the gop new lead investigator is already promising hearings on border security and illegal immigration. the department of homeland security and business regulations. especially those affecting the energy sector. so the question is, does the new republicans majority in congress have any intention of cooperating with the president? or just investigating him? joining me now is congressman jim mcdermott, democrat from washington. thank you for being here, first of all, congressman. >> good to be here, reverend. >> you've heard what speaker boehner had to say today. does he seem to have a spirit of cooperation and compromise to you? >> well, rev, you know probably as well as i do, there's a verse
in the bible in matthew 7 that says beware of false prophets, they're like wolves. by their deeds you shall know them. and john boehner is saying the nice words today, but we know by his deeds for the last four years, that he has no intention whatsoever of cooperating with the president of the united states. he could have done that four years ago if he'd wanted to. but all he's done is obstruct, along with mitch mcconnell, they have been chief obstructors in the united states congress. and nothing's going to change between now and the 2016 election. they are setting the stage for coming into that election saying, we did nothing, and you ought to elect us and we'll do more nothing for you. >> it's interesting you say that because republicans are talking a lot about what john boehner said today about president obama supposedly, quote, poisoning the
well. but one reporter asked if boehner was the one doing that. listen to this exchange, congressman. >> isn't the idea of repealing obamacare third or fourth line in your outfit today, isn't it poisoning the well from your angle? >> when you go to the white house tomorrow. >> no. our job is to make the american people's priorities our priorities. they don't like obamacare. i don't like it. it's hurting our economy. >> i mean, 497 days and they haven't voted on the immigration bill that passed the senate. you're in that congress. they won't vote on the bill. they won't deal with obamacare. isn't boehner starting things off on a bad note, congressman. >> if they didn't learn with 50 votes when the democrats were in control of the senate, that they couldn't get that bill through, they'll never learn, rev.
they are going to go and do it again, because they don't want the president to ever get the credit for having started national health insurance. they know he'll have the same kind of legacy as franklin dell ano roosevelt did when he started social security and unemployment insurance, and all the programs that came as a result of the last bank failure. this bank failure in 2007, what came out of it, we saved the banks and we got health care on the road. and they do not want president obama to get credit for that. >> clearly they wanted to stop him from being president, then stop from him being re-elected. now stop his place in history. but they have already lost the health care fight. they can't really defeat the health care act or overturn that, can they, congressman? >> well, i think -- here's what i think they're going to do, rev. they're going to try one repeal just for a big pr event. but then what they're going to do is not fund the subsidies, so
people who are buying policies with subsidies won't have the money. they're not going to subsidize the small businesses that are giving health care to their workers. they're going to undercut it in a thousand ways, because some things need to be extended in this session of the congress. if they don't do that, they can wreck it by simply cutting it out. for a lot of people. they will not be able to affect the people who got on to medicaid. those people are in, they're safe. they can't be touched. but they'll try to get the middle class, that's out there struggling, buying their own health insurance policy, and they can do it because they do not want to help the middle class. >> it's going to be a long fight, but we're in for it. congressman mcdermott, thank you so much for your time. >> we'll see you. still ahead, you won't believe what republicans are saying now about president obama, and the democrats who ran
away from him. also, a disturbing story out of florida. why are officials cracking down on a 90-year-old man who's trying to feed the homeless? but first, the guy who calls global warming a hoax, he'll be in charge of the environment committee. we figured out what phenomenon explains that. stay with us. it interesting, after all these years? she mixes it up. with nice'n easy, you can shift a shade with confidence, and still look like your most amazing you. go warmer, golder, stronger, even bolder. with our broadest spectrum of natural looking shades. you know what i love? things never get boring. she always keeps me guessing. go ahead, mix it up, spice it up, shift a shade with nice'n easy.
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some results from the mid terms have a lot of people scratching their heads. voters in four states chose to raise the minimum wage. that's great. but three of those states voted for gop senators. republicans are the ones blocking the minimum wage. but no sign yet that they're changing their minds. in colorado voters struck down an anti-choice personhood amendment for the third time.
but they voted to send republican cory gardner to the senate, the guy who championed national personhood legislation. it's odd. but here's the one that really gets me. with a new republican majority in the senate, senator james inhofe is slated to become chairman of the environment committee, the same senator inhofe who said this about climate change. >> the assertion that global warming is occurring today and it's occurring because of the release of co2 and gases methane and such as that, that's not a -- these people -- it's really a hoax, a hoax that is, the fact that all this is happening is due to man-made gases. i really believe it's the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on the american people. >> d.c.'s biggest climate change
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help. arnold abbott, a 90-year-old veteran known as chef arnold, has been feeding the homeless in ft. lauderdale, florida, for nearly 25 years with a non-profit organization called love thy neighbor. last month they passed a law that restricts feeding homeless people. those who break the law can face a $500 fine and up to 60 days in jail. this past sunday arnold and two local pastors served food to dozens of home little people in a local park. police broke up the food line and detained the three volunteers. >> shame on you. shame on you. >> boo! >> why is he being arrested? >> let's be clear.
police were just enforcing the new law when they stopped abbott and the pastors and ft. lauderdale's mayor says there's a reason for the law. >> we're not a city that lacks compassion or kindness. we just feel that if someone is homeless on the streets of ft. lauderdale, we need to get them off the street and into the right places where they can improve their position, improve their situation. mr. abbott is a good guy, with a good heart. i think his intention is to really feed the homeless. our intentions with the city of ft. lauderdale go beyond that, to try to turn their lives around. >> last night, they were back at it again, feeding the homeless on ft. lauderdale beach. he received a citation, was fingerprinted and ordered to appear in court. should it be a crime to feed the homeless? is there a better solution?
joining me now arnold abbott and father mark sims who was detained by police with arnold on sunday for feeding the homeless. thank you both for being here this evening. >> you're welcome. >> it's a pleasure, sir. >> arnold, tell us what happened to you on sunday as you were trying to feed the homeless? >> okay, on sunday, they had passed a law on october 22nd, it went into effect on halloween. obviously they could not arrest people on halloween. or they'd have to arrest several million who were giving candy to children. but on sunday, they were enforcing the law. when i got to our place where we feed at strat han park, i found there were plis cars with flashing lights where we were to stop our van and unload our food. i went to the police who were gathered there and said that i understand that i may be arrested, but i certainly don't want any of my volunteers to be
involved in this. and their answer was, anybody who takes any food out of your van, or anybody who sets the table up is subject to arrest. so what i did was, i told my volunteers to please scatter, to go away, get away from the table, and it was only reverend sims and pastor black of of the sanctuary church where i do my cooking, who stood beside me. and we got to feed the third person, as i was putting food into the fourth plate, an officer grabbed my arm and he said, put down that plate right now! just as though i was holding a weapon. and it was kind of amusing. but then he put his hand on my back and guided me over to a police car, where they started to write up a citation. >> now the new ordnance mandates that organizations distributing
food outdoors would also need the permission of the property owner and would have to provide portable toilets for use by workers and those being fed. father sims, the city says they need this ordnance because businesses were being hurt in areas where they were being fed. how do you respond to this? >> i absolutely disagree with this. the feeding that occurred on sunday occurred on an otherwise empty street in the city of ft. lauderdale, except for the people who were being fed and the people who were doing the feeding and the police officers, there was no one else in the area. the businesses were pretty much closed down. it was a sunday afternoon just around 1:00. >> you know, the mayor of ft. lauderdale provided us with a pretty lengthy statement this evening in which he says, while the ordinance regulates outdoor food distribution, it also
permits indoor food distribution to take place. by allowing houses of worship to conduct this act, the city is actually increasing the number of locations where the homeless can properly receive this service. would this be a good compromise for you? why are you so adamant about being able to feed people outdoors? explain that. >> it's very simple. there are no facilities who will take the homeless in and allow them to be fed on their premises. that's the number one reason. there are 10,000 homeless in broward county, of which ft. lauderdale is the center, and there are three shelters, each of which takes in approximately 200 people. maybe 600 people can be accommodated out of 10,000, which hardly means that there are available accommodations for them. there are none. even the rehabilitative
facilities such as bark, people who take care of supposedly people who have addictions to alcohol, drugs, or taking care of people who are bipolar. the answer to mayor siler is the powers that be, the mega rich, the powerful who live in ft. lauderdale, which is a very wealthy area, are not willing to do anything else and get rid of the homeless. and i consider the city commissioners and the mayor nothing more than puppets who are being guided by the very rich, and told to get rid of them. and that's what's happening. >> let me ask you this, because i'm going to run out of time. father sims, arnold has a long history of fighting civil rights causes. you went with him on sunday. do you think you're going to jail? do you think you're going to do
time for this? >> i sure hope not. i hope that we can certainly go to court and have this law over turned, or found not guilty. but i'm willing to do whatever it takes. people will continue to feed hungry people compassionately on the streets of ft. lauderdale. the episcopal church has been feeding individuals for a long time and we will continue to do so. >> arnold, i want to say that we're going to watch this story. people can see the mayor's whole statement on our website msnbc. we'll follow this. arnold, you've been at it a long time, 90 years old, and you don't look tired yet to me. arnold and father sims, thank you both for your time this evening and we'll continue to fall this. >> thank you. >> thank you, reverend al. coming up, a top republican is thanking democrats for sidelining their, quote, best messenger, president obama. plus the man who shot and
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dotcom's elizabeth plank, josh zepps, and political strategist angela rye. thank you all for being here tonight. i want to start with the top dog at the republican senate committee says, way to go, democrats! they, quote, sidelined their best messenger, by running from president obama. he went on to say, quote, they were so focused on independents that they forgot they had a base. they left their base behind. they became republican-like. angela, amazing comments. so did democrats make a mistake running away from the president? >> no question. we've said this ad nauseum. >> how can republicans see it if democrats couldn't? >> blind to the facts.
i'm not sure, rev. at the end of the day, people thought they needed to cater to a population of people that may not ever be in our voting bloc. the democratic party is a big tent party for a reason and we can't forget about the rest of the people in the tent to chase folks who are not there. >> they're not even in the yard. >> outside the gate. >> it's also this excess of political caution that we see at the moment. there's no sense of being an individual and talking about issues outside of cliches. look at alison lundergan grimes, where obama was popular, could have run on obamacare, instead she wouldn't say whether or not she voted for him in 2012. this is the politics of let me just stand very still and hope i blend into the background and no one will see me like a cuddle fish. >> and it doesn't work. >> exactly. >> it's interesting that collins would say this is republican-like. i think republicans ran on platforms that were
democratic-like. we saw radical candidates run on progressive policy. >> in the primaries, they were almost tea party-like. >> but what does that say about how the country feels about progressive policies? how the country feels about what democrats have been saying all along? you know, minimum wage, policies that aren't anti-choice. all of these things are very popular. >> but isn't that the point, that if the popular policies are, in fact, what the people wanted, if they didn't run away from the policies, they were the natural ones to represent those policies? >> and that's just the thing. we have to keep going back to ballot initiatives, that made it on to the ballots. we don't know about alaska yet. but arkansas, pryor lost and minimum wage won. >> the voters are saying they want progressive policy, but they want republicans -- >> minimum wage passed in several states.
personhood went down. where are these people that are running getting their advice from? and now you have a republican strategist thanking them. >> it's the same thing, you know how there is a gop autopsy report. the democrats need one now. because you keep hiring the same folks, pollsters that have the percentages off. you don't go after people -- people of color, young people sat out in some states. >> we saw the same thing in al gore's presidential campaign. >> it's the same people. >> it's the extreme poll testing. udall says let's talk about women's reproductive rights, because it plays well with the base, but what about the economy? >> the gop is running on the economy, the three first policies they passed were anti-choice legislation. to me, this is a wonderful in sheep's clothing. -- >> in democrat's clothing. >> but who knows what they're going to do once they're in power? >> don't you think the president
could have articulated these policies, could have energized the base? [ all speak at once ] >> wait wait wait wait. don't you think the president could have energized the base that became luke warm because people was running away from him, angela? >> yeah, and i think that in the places where he went, he did. all they had to do was use the same talking points about his accomplishments that he's been touting for the last full year about growth in the economy, private sector job growth, and minimum wage, which he chose to raise by executive order, for the executive branch. >> josh, a lot of people on social media are very upset. i've been raising sand since whenever. this is outrageous to me. it's betrayal. >> it's part of this hunkering down and this extreme attention to detail. the desire to never step out of the box, to never do anything risky, to only focus on poll-tested basically talking points, instead of taking a big
obje picture look. people aren't just going to fail to notice you're a democrat. >> i got to move on, but is this a forecast for '16, a new form of tryingalation in the form here? >> 2016 will be entirely difficult because the demographic of people voting. 13% of the electorate is young people. that's so low. that will be very different in 2016. republicans can celebrate all they want, but it's going to be very different in 2016. now to an amazing story, the man who shot osama bin laden is revealing himself for the first time. he's robert o'neil, member of the famed seal team six, and he's the guy that fired those three shots that forever changed our world. the 38-year-old from montana was on the team for 16 years. he went on more than 400 combat
missions and killed more than 30 targets. on an upcoming tv appearance, he's expected to talk about the raid and the training. the pentagon is reportedly furious and have warned he could face criminal prosecution, saying it goes against the seal code of conduct, which states, i do not advertise the nature of my work, nor seek recognition for my actions. josh, the man is an american hero. should he face punishment for revealing his identity? >> of course he should, but he won't. he has broken the law. this contravenes -- just even the morality of this contravenes everything the seals are supposed to stand for. it's not self-glorifications. it's about higher principles. look at how we go after nsa whistle blowers, doing something
out of principle. this guy is divulging state secrets. he could be tried and he could be dishonorably discharged. he could go to jail. he should lose his pension and his health benefits. it's abysmal. >> but apparently he's four years short of his pension. he needs money. i mean, i one last i hear josh, but on another level, should a hero like that, leave the military with no pension and no money? >> i don't think that's the answer either. at the same time, isn't this the million dollar question. we talk about this all the time with our veterans. veterans come back, not only in 2014, but think about years of ago when men of color fought in the war and came back shamed and still had to drink out of separate water fountains. folks have to figure out a way to treat our military heroes as such. i don't think this is the answer either. >> do you seriously believe he couldn't have gotten a job at a private security firm?
>> he couldn't get his benefits. >> he has the greatest credential any military person could possibly have. he can say to a person who is employing him at a private security firm -- >> i feel like i'm fighting. >> the fact that the man who has killed osama bin laden cannot find a job, with the level of skill that he has, i think, is really illustrates the problem that we have in your country, where we don't have the infrastructure to reintegrate these people in society and to find them jobs. i don't blame him for wanting to make a few extra bucks. >> a few extra bucks? >> some extra money. >> he's already doing public speaking. >> i'm going to have to close it there. >> come on, rev. did you hear michael jordan said the president's golf game of the not that great? the president is hitting back. you'll want to hear this one. also, we'll look at what
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his dream foursome would be, and wound up dissing the president's game. >> if you had to pick a foursome to play with -- >> any people? >> never played with obama, but i would. but, no, that's okay, i'd take him out. he's a hack. be all day playing with him. >> do you really want to say that about the president of the united states? >> i never said he wasn't a great politician. he's a [ bleep ] golfer. >> well, the president was asked about it on a radio show, and he got right into the trash talk. >> michael wasn't very well informed about this. i think he might have been just trying to give amad an extra ratings boost on his show. but there is no doubt that michael's a better golfer than i am. of course if i was playing twice a day for the last 15 years, then that might not be the case. you know, he might want to spend
more time thinking about the bobcats, or maybe the hornets. >> ouch. liz, who got the best of this? >> slam dunk. i think it will be fox news when they use it to prove that obama can't take on putin or isis. i'm excited to see what the right-wing is going to do with this one. >> i think obama has bigger fish to fry than michael jordan. he's got more on his plate. >> the president won. michael jordan is eating crow right now, and a golf ball or two. >> all right, let me thank the panel and tell y'all, i wouldn't be tangling with the president if i was michael jordan. be right back. king system will get you to the loading dock. ♪ there should be a truck leaving now. i got it. now jump off the bridge. what? in 3...2...1... are you kidding me? go. right on time. right now, over 20,000 trains are running reliably.
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make the world predictable. thrillingly predictable. in the last 24 hours since the midterm election, we've heard a lot of talk about compromise. and we've heard the president say he's willing to compromise, but he's going to stand by certain principles. we've heard senator mcconnell say the same, and mr. boehner.
welcome back, everybody, to moore, oklahoma, as we come back to visit what it means for this town one year later after that devastating tornado where 24 people lost their lives as we drill down to talk people lost their lives. as we drill down the talk of some of the figures, nearly 175,000 tons of debris has been hauled away. as you see plaza towers behind me, this school is to reopen coming in the fall. the healing continues here in moore, oklahoma. that's it for "way too early." "morning joe" starts right now. ♪ if we exceed the 14-day measure for scheduling appointments, he says, the front office gets upset. he outlined a way to get around it. when patients called for an appointment, they were not booked into the computer until an appointment came up 14 days after the day.
that way you're off the bad boys list. >> any incident like this makes me mad as hell. >> your mad as hell face looks a lot like your oh, we're out of orange juice face. maybe you can take a page out of australian describing dog interaction guy. >> they came bounding over. >> now that guy gets things done! >> good morning. it is tuesday, may 20th. another pretty day in new york city. welcome to "morning joe." with us on set, we have msnbc contributor mike barnicle. good morning. you look nice today. >> thank you very much. >> analyst steve rattner. i like the suit. >> thank you. >> in washington, associate editor of "washington post" and msnbc political analyst eugene robinson. willie's here too and i can't
wait for a good talk with dad. >> bill geist is going to be here in the next hour. >> oh, my gosh, willie. this is going to be great. i've taken a brief look at it because i got a sneak peek over the weekend. >> yeah. we slipped you one. we'll talk about it later on. it's me and my dad having awkward conversations. >> your dad, longtime cbs correspondent. apple did not fall far. >> good writer too. >> we have a lot to get to today. we have a scene for you to show you right now. that's one year ago today. as a massive tornado ripped through the town of moore, oklahoma. the f-5 twister left a path of destruction that few towns have ever seen before. we were there the day after last year to witness that devastation. and thomas roberts is back there with how the community is doing one year later. we'll hear from him coming up. plus this is how the new york
city tabloids covered mayor de blasio's wife's interview with new york magazine. huh? did she say that? >> not at all. >> i didn't think she said that. she said something that was brave and most women think. and true. exactly. we're going to have that story coming up. the mayor's reaction as well. but we begin with a big day for the battle to control the senate. voters will decide which candidates head to the election in key battleground states. mitch mcconnell looks confident against matt bevin. but his democrat alison lundergan grimes who's poised to present a tougher task. she came out swinging at a rally in louisville. >> i am a kentucky woman who my republican colleagues have so generally referred to as an empty dress that seeks to retire
mitch mcconnell. mitch mcconnell fails to realize that it's labor that has lifted millions out of poverty. as he says no to collective bargaining. as he says no to prevailing wage. you will have someone in the united states senate who says right to work for less is just another name for union busting and i will have none of it. >> okay. for mcconnell, it's not just about keeping his seat in the senate. he's eyeing the role of majority leader should republicans take control. >> there's only one thing we can do about it in 2014. in 2014 you can change the united states senate, make me the offensive coordinator instead of the defensive coordinator. >> very different tone there. gop candidates need six seats to shift the power. >> i say for you women in our
room, you'll love our republican in oregon. she's a female pediatric neurosurgeon whose slogan is, change your senator not your doctor. >> i guess that's opposed to she's a male. >> i think that might be just -- the word seemed awkward to me. >> he's an awkward guy. >> okay. so female webby, however, has faced a bruising end to the campaign with newly disclosed accusations she harassed her ex-husband during their divorce in 2007. he called the police and claimed he pulled his hair, slapped him, and threw items at him. another man, a former boyfriend accused webby of stalking him last year. if she wins today, she'll go on to face democrat jeff merkley. male willie, take over.
>> thank you, female mika. that's quite a dump at the end of the campaign. we'll see how it plays out. let's go to, eugene robinson, about kentucky. what kind of race does this shape up to be? this is as tough as mcconnell has been challenged right now. but as you look at that poll, he's locked and worried about grimes. >> all the polls show this is a close race in november. alison grimes from that clip is a formidable candidate. she's, you know, a female candidate as mitch mcconnell pointed out. he's a crafty politician. he knows kentucky. he's got a lot of strings to pull. but he's in a really tough race and it's a funny state, you know? basically as solid red state,
but it could elect a democrat. it's not beyond the realm of possibilities. so this could be the fight of his -- of this phase of his political life. >> if memory serves me correctly, i think there's a poll within the past six or seven weeks that showed senator mcconnell's internals were highly negative against him among republicans which was kind of an interesting dynamic. and i don't know whether his opponents seeming strength would account for the fact that suddenly after all of these years steve rattner, he seems to be traveling with his wife more often than not. >> yeah. his wife is a very formidable character. she served in bush's cabinet as a secretary of labor and a force of nature. i think gives him a personality that may not always be present in his absence. so he's bringing a female. >> all right. well, speaking of females -- my
god. i mean, it's not like we're talking about your horses or something. it's ridiculous. did mitch mcconnell say female? >> yeah. >> can someone send him a note? seriously. >> you. >> i don't think he wants one from me. speaking of females, new york city mayor bill de blasio is defending his wife following a magazine profile where she discussed her struggles as a new mom. in an interview with new york magazine, she spoke about the challenges of balancing a career with the responsibilities of being a mother. she says about her daughter in part, i was 40 years old. i had a life. the truth is i could not spend every day with her. i didn't want to do that. i looked for all kinds of reasons not to do it. it took a long time for me to get into, i'm taking care of kids, and what that means. the tabloids pounced. "the daily news" says the first lady, quote, didn't want to be a
mom. and the new york post said i was a bad mom. mayor de blasio was not happy. he called on the papers to apologize. >> i think it was inappropriate. it really suggests a tremendous misunderstanding of what it is to be a parent, what it is to be a mother. i think a lot of women are offended. a lot of hard working women in this city are offended. i think post the post and "the daily news" owes her an apology for misrepresenting what she said and for caricaturing a reality that i think so many women face. >> so i read the article. first of all, that part of it is this much in an article this big. it was much to do about her life as an advocate, as a ground breaker, as wife of a politician, but also a partner
who has a career in his own right and ideas in her own right and hopes and thoughts for her future in her own right. i found the headlines to be stunning. is anyone -- >> what century is this that we're in all of a sudden? i mean, we have this this week. all last week we were talking about jill abramson, you know mitch mcconnell uses "female" in that odd way. i mean, did i miss something? did we just go back, like, a hundred years? what has happened? >> "the new york post" went back. they decided to take a short part of an article, twist it around and put it on the front page. because they're after this mayor, shall we say. >> i wonder what's behind that. >> first of all, bill de blasio ought not use the word "inappropriate." it's the most overworked word in the english language today.
it was offensive to any young mother with children. i mean, you automatically, you can't help the feeling am i going to be handcuffed to the house the rest of my life. you love your child. you're going to care for your child. but it's okay to have those feelings. >> i will say that she says what so many women feel. i felt it, absolutely. and the guilt that she talks about, lived with every day. it starts to steam roll into something worse because you really feel pressured between what society thinks you should be which is completely in love with your kids 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. something is that is not applied to a man. and if you feel that way, is there something wrong with you as a woman? because i didn't feel that way. >> but you are in love with your children 24/7 you're just exhausted because your husband isn't there. >> all she was saying was she worked since she was 14 years
old. that she knew how to do. what she didn't know how to do was be tied to the house running around after toddlers and almost being hostage to them. >> i think maybe you'd agree to this especially with your first child. your entire focus has been you and your career and goals and all these things in your life. then this person shows up and you love them more than you've loved anything in your life, but it's an adjustment. that's all she was talking about. i don't think we should be surprise. ed it's on the cover of these papers. that's what they're in the business of being provocative. but this went too far. >> i feel she broke the taboo of what women feel by they're not allowed to say. >> some will say it but they aren't married to a new york mayor. >> this is true. it will be interesting. we're going to talk to the author of new york magazine profile coming up on "morning joe." we're going to have a more broad conversation, bring other names and faces to the table as well.
speaking of offensive comments, the nba is officially moving forward with plans to strip donald sterling of his ownership of the los angeles clippers. he is accused of actions that continues to hurt the nba. the disgraced owner has until may 27th to respond to the charges. his lawyer has requested a three-month delay which is unlikely to happen. sterling will have the opportunity to make his case to fellow owners at a hearing on june 3rd. if 3/4 of the owners vote to uphold the charges, sterling will be forced to sell the clippers. as he should. >> so steve, donald sterling's argument is you cannot just strip a person of their property at will. there has to be a case. we all knew this was coming. he was going to sue back and fight. but there's no way that come opening night in october that donald sterling is owning the
clippers. you've had players like lebron james saying if he own this clippers, i will not play next season. there's going to be a big fight along the way. >> i think one thing about this that hasn't really come out and i think i'm right in saying this, there's a tax fight involved in this whole thing. because he bought that team for nothing. if he dies with that as part of his estate, he gets a step up in basis. and he avoids paying a couple million dollars on that because of the way the team is sold. he's not a well man, as also been reported. i think there's a little bit of a substance text here i need this in my estate because it's going to cost me a lot of money if i die first. the contract between the nba and the owners seems clear. there's other businesses where you can lose your license, lose your franchise, lose your rights if you're part of an organization and you've agreed to abide by its rules. >> it's been reprehensible for
so long. just get it over with. moving on, it was one of the most devastating tornadoes in american history. 24 dead, 400 hurt. and the town of moore, oklahoma, leveled. "morning joe" is on the scene just hours after the storm hit. and thomas roberts has made his way back there. >> mika, good morning to you. good morning, everyone. it was a year ago that we all made our way here and it was amazing to come back yesterday to see exactly how far moore, oklahoma, has progressed in 12 months' time. if we look at some of the numbers, 175,000 tons of debris has been removed over the year. we can see certain lots that have been leveled and the slow start of rebuilding. but it is amazing to think for 39 minutes last year, an ef-5 tornado touched down destroying moore. >> it was pretty scary. everybody was rushing everybody. and then i came out and i saw the cars and i saw the houses and i just started crying so
hard. >> reporter: "morning joe" traveled to the scene of the devastation just hours a the storm hit. the images were hard to comprehend. >> the scene behind us, it's like from a post-apocalyptic movie. >> it's hard to wrap your mind around what you're seeing. >> what you're seeing is a neighborhood behind us that's no longer standing. >> it was house, house, house, house. all that's left is foundations pip keep getting overwhelmed by these sights. this was a little girl's room. you see the clothes still hanging. >> reporter: the tornado was a mile high at its base kicking up clouds of debris that stretch two miles wide. winds at 200 miles per hour. the hospital became a symbolic image of the destruction throughout the neighborhood. and it was the last day of class as the plaza towers elementary school. >> we had to sit like this and
the tornado started knocking on the ceilings, go up and down. and a light went down and it hit me in the head. and all the other girls were screaming and they were crying. >> i had to hold onto the wall to keep myself safe, because i didn't want to fly away in the tornado. >> it was coming, it was hitting, and everybody said put your heads down, put your heads down. some people got hurt. >> reporter: while the trauma of the event is so clear in the voices of the children, the stories of survival went beyond the young. >> we had to pull a car out of the front hallway off a teacher. i don't know what that lady's name is, but she had three little kids underneath her. good job, teach. it ripped our house up. there's a little girl buried there. >> reporter: it was on the ground for nearly 40 minutes leaving thousands homeless. the winds were strong enough to rip the bark off trees. families did whatever they could to find shelter.
>> we had the three girls in the tub and we had couch cushions behind them. my husband and i were knelt down in front of them with a mattress over us and we all had helmets on and huddled together and locked arm. just right there. >> reporter: can you believe you survived? you rode this out in the family bathtub? >> no. i only -- i think it's a miracle. i mean, i don't -- i don't know how i'm standing here. >> reporter: even president obama seemed emotional during his visit to the storm ravaged community appearing to wipe away a tear while talking to a victim. >> the people of moore should know that our country will remain on the ground there for them beside them as long as it takes for their homes and schools to rebuild, businesses and hospitals to reopen, their parents to console, first responders to comfort, and of
course frightened children who will need our continued love and attention. there are empty spaces where there used to be living rooms and bedrooms and classrooms. and in time, we're going to need to refill those spaces with love and laughter and community. >> reporter: last month moore became the first city in the country to adopt rules specifically aimed at preventing extensive tornado damage with tough new residential building codes. it's now going to require new homes to withstand winds up to 135 miles per hour. but again, let's just remind everybody. the winds sustained here were over 200 miles an hour. and behind me this is plaza towers elementary school. they are in the process of rebuilding the school to open in the fall. you'll recall when we were here, this is the elementary school that had seven children die while trying to survive the storm. there was also another elementary school that was damaged, but they didn't lose any of their students.
and it was amazing to come back yesterday. we'll show you video coming up later of where we were on the corner there of south telephone road and southwest 6th. that corner plot of land, that house and the debris, that's all gone. the slab doesn't eastbound exist anymore. across the street where the moore hospital was, the medical facility, that's completely leveled. and there is a tent city of hospital emergency rooms there. we'll show you that coming up as well. but it's stunning to see the healing that's happened, but also stunning to see there hasn't been a bigger burst of rebirth in the areas where we focused on last year. >> and storm shelters in every school because it's not a matter of if, it's going to be when. thomas, thanks very much. we'll check in with you throughout the morning. among your guests will be oklahoma governor mary fallon. we can ask her about that. thomas, thank you. coming up on "morning joe," actor liam neeson makes his western debut.
why he took the role in the raunchy new comedy. plus "good talk, dad." the great bill geist will be here on set with the stories in their new book. up next, the cia is giving up the spy tactic that helped end the hunt for osama bin laden. we'll tell you what that tactic was and the reason they're dropping it. but first here's bill kairns with the check on the forecast. bill? >> so many memories being brought back from what happened there in oklahoma. for me was the odds of moore getting hit twice by an ef-5 tornado twice. as far as the two storms, what was really incredible is the path of the storms. the blue line and the red line are the strong ef-5s 14 years apart. they crossed paths and almost went in the exact same direction. the blue one was the one from
'99. that went to the north side of moore. then the last year one was on the south side of moore. the pictures looks like joplin, like tuscaloosa, and other bad sites. we do have a chance of seeing strong thunderstorms today. later this afternoon into areas of cedar rapids. we do not think this will be tornadoes. but if you're in chicago, indianapolis, ft. wayne, all the way down to indianapolis and columbus. a line of strong storms with damaging winds heading your way. a lot of power outages expected with that. thankfully we've had a quiet, knock on wood, tornado season in oklahoma. they had the el reno tornado that was an ef-5 a couple weeks after this one. they've only had five tornadoes up to this point in oklahoma all year long. typically they average about 55. we're at a nice, slow pace. and they deserve it after what they went through last year there in moore. more on "morning joe" coming up.
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cia says they will no longer use vaccinations for spying. in 2011 a doctor offered vaccinations in pakistan if as cover for the cia to obtain dna at the compound where osama bin laden was eventually killed. this comes as protests have resulted in 56 deaths in the country over the last two years. >> "the new york times." flood danger persists in serbia. the worst in 120 years. closing in near their capital. hundreds of thousands of people are without electricity and thousands more have been evacuated. it's left some towns under water. >> "the wall street journal," credit suisse will pay nearly $3 billion fine. it's the largest financial institution to ever enter a guilty plea. that's in the last 20 years at least.
the bank helped clients avoid paying u.s. taxes by creating secret offshore accounts. it sets a template for how the u.s. may respond. what's going on here? >> it's incredible. they literally would send their bankers into the u.s. on tourist visas meeting secretly with americans to help them avoid u.s. taxes. now they're going to plead guilty. they're going to pay a $2.6 billion fine, but the next day they'll go to business as usual. >> the same thing will happen again? >> probably not for awhile. but if you're an individual and get caught up in this, you might go to jail like one guy did the other day. you might be barred from something the rest of your life. credit suisse is allowed to go about their business like nothing happened. >> why is that? >> it's corollary to too big to fail. no government wants to be secreted for putting down a bank
that big. >> what's going to happen to the house? >> nothing. eight employees have left the bank, others will be required to leave the bank. but the ceo of the bank who's an american actually, but this goes back a long time before his watch. so it gets complicated, stays in place. >> is this going on elsewhere or is this a credit suisse? >> you possibly believe it could be going on elsewhere? i can't imagine. the famous swiss bank accounts we've heard over the year, they truly existed. >> looks like the u.s. government is moving on those now. let's go to playbook for a look inside politico's playbook. editor in chief john harris. >> good morning. >> so democrats fighting to keep the senate majority as we know in the midterm elections. politico reporting that one key democrat is not invested in the fight at least not as much as some democrats would like him to be. who is it? >> that man is barack obama who's got more at stake than any other person in the midterm
elections. reviving his presidency depends a lot on preventing republicans from take over the senate. but there's frustration among a lot of democrats that my colleague talked to which is that they feel the president's not engaged with coming up with a coordinated democratic strategy. he's busy raising money which is a big thing that helps, but he doesn't seem personally invested in the strategy. had in-person briefings with bill clinton, gone up to new york to talk to the former president. hasn't had an equivalent of that with obama himself. >> how unusual is that? would a president usually be more engaged at this point about six months out from election day? >> a lot of democrats say now is the time. they do feel, yes, that now is the time where they want to be -- they want some tangible evidence that the president himself is prepared to invest his personal credibility in carrying some of these democrats over the line. and so, you know, presidents are
political to different degrees. clearly bill clinton at an equivalent stage would have been more heavily involved than barack obama himself is. >> john, this lel of engagement or lack of engagement from the president, is it drastically different than any? >> president obama gets engaged when he himself is on the ballot, doesn't care that much, some say. the white house says that's unfair and point to signs as evidence that the president is really invested in these races. but another big problem that isaac points out in this piece is that the messaging has not really worked. the minimum wage and income inequality, we heard so much from the white house months ago. but it's not doing much. it's not helping them with middle class voters. it sounds like a more traditional kind of help the poor message. consequently we've seen that
less used out there. >> another story, john. interesting bit of news popping up yesterday. former democratic senator from a key swing state hinting he may consider running for something in 2016. who is it and what's he thinking? >> sure, willie. you remember jim webb who was representing the senate from virginia. i tell you what, i have my ear cocked pretty well to sort of presidential rumblings in this job. i hadn't heard any too to date but there are some in webb's own mind. he's out pressing a memoir he's written. in the course of that he's said i would consider running for president 2016. that doesn't seem like real possibility unless a certain democrat chooses not to run. in which case the door would be wide open. jim webb has been an interesting guy as long as he's been in public life. i think there would be a lot of people who'd find this intriguing. >> he's going to be on "morning
joe" next week. so we'll ask him. >> he said, quote, he's thinking about rejoining the debate. >> but not as vice president. >> right. that's right. john harris with a look inside the politico playbook, thanks so much. still ahead, it was one of the most unexpected prom invites ever, but did joe biden make it a night to remember? >> no, he did not. come on. the thunder struggled without their key player. sports is next. ♪ and just give them the basics, you know. i got this. [thinking] is it that time? the son picks up the check? [thinking] i'm still working. he's retired. i hope he's saving. i hope he saved enough. who matters most to you says the most about you. at massmutual we're owned by our policyowners, and they matter most to us. whether you're just starting your 401(k)
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♪ all right. time for some sports. the nba playoffs, thunder and spurs game one of the western conference finals. the spurs jumped out to an early lead. tim duncan still getting it done. 21 points in the first half. led san antonio 27 in the game. third quarter, okc pushes back a bit. durant makes a three. thunder missing defensive presence serge ibaka in the middle. spurs win 122-105. tonight miami looks to get even at indiana in game two of the eastern conference finals. indiana took game one in that series. california chrome's triple crown hopes alive.
the horse bb allowed to wear the nasal strip. he used the breathing aid in the previous two wins and his owner had said he wouldn't run him in the belmont without it. no horse has won the triple crown since affirms did it in 1978. >> but there have been 12 that won the first two. so it's going to be an interesting race. >> absolutely. the ice. stanley cup playoffs. canadiens in montreal tied at one at the end of first period. >> elted down by kreider. score! >> that's rick nash for the rangers netting the go-ahead goal for new york. rangers get another win on the road and they're now up 2-0. two wins away from playing in the stan lieu cup finals. tonight the blackhawks host the kings in game two. the blackhawks won the first one in chicago.
little baseball now. tigers and indians tied. michael brantley at bat with a full count, two outs. >> 3-2 to brantley. brantley with a drive deep down the right field line. good! and the indians win it! >> there it is. the walkoff win. michael brantley. 5-4 was the score. good for tito francona, right? >> my man. our guy. >> he is the man. coming up next, millions of americans will hit the road this memorial day. should they pack their patience? >> i think they should. definitely. you'll be told to do that by reporters standing on the highway. it's a good use of resources. >> but are their driving habits hurting the country? that and a look at today's must-read opinion pages. we'll be right back with more "morning joe." ♪ [ male announcer ] some come here
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♪ time now for the must-read opinion pages. i just want to point to something in "the wall street journal" greater new york section. chris christie made a talk this sunday over the weekend. it looked a lot like he's running for president. the crux of the article is that the issue of israel is posing a challenge for him because he didn't bring it up. 16-minute talk delivered to the jewish international awards gala focused on the need for the u.s. to reclaim role on issues including syria and civil war and emboldened russia and iran's work on a nuclear reactor. he mentioned the former president ronald reagan several times as a model of relationship and criticized washington gridlock. he said things like this which
sound like a candidate, america is no longer sending clear signals to me world. consistent signals. signals like the ones ronald reagan sent when he was president as to whom our friends are, the governor said on sunday. in the audience, eugene robinson, sheldon adelson, the las vegas casino magnate and who vowed to support the next presidential candidate. they spoke after the meeting one-on-one. thoughts as to why chris christie would take time to do that on a sunday afternoon or evening? >> you know, mika, i think he's running for president. i think he's trying to establish a position in foreign policy. i guess the question is not so much sending signals, i would argue, but sending troops. you want to talk about syria, send all the signals you want. that doesn't seem to do much to
bashir al assad. >> as much as he's been plagued by bridgegate, he's raised more money than all o other republicans. >> and her got in trouble in march talking about the west bank in terms of occupied territories. i think a lot of people thought that speech was a chance for him to clear that up. and he didn't do it well enough wsh some say. let's move on to steve rattner's charts. that's why we're here today. the latest victim of gridlock in washington. your first chart, steve. americans are driving less. first part of the problem. >> right. we're coming up on memorial day weekend. a lot of people are going to take to the roads. fewer than in the past, because what's happened since the recession began in 2008. is americans are starting to drive less. you can see this blue line which
has been growing, growing, actually flat. if you look at a per capita basis, americans are driving a lot less. they're down from 13,000 miles a year per american, they're down to 12,000 miles a year at the moment. this is a little bit of recession, a bit of young people not living as far from work and so on. but it has consequences for our roads. a lot of our road repair is financed by the gas tax. here's what's been happening to the gas tax since then. if we look at the next chart. so yeah. the gas tax was last increased in 1993. and if you look at it on inflation basis, it's been going down, down, down. as a mix of the fact people are driving less, using less gasoline and so on. and inflation has eroded that gas tax. so the consequences of that, the
gate goes into the highway trust fund. the highway trust fund pays for repairs to roads. if you look at the state of the highway trust fund, you'll see the implications of this gas tax thing. declining revenues. then over here in these last four years, congress has had to put $54 billion of the general into this fund. >> 1993. >> and at the moment the gas tax -- the highway trust fund is going to go broke this august. >> terrific. >> this august then start to run these kinds of deficits. meanwhile congress is in a fight about the fact that people don't want to spend more. people don't want to tax more. they do want their roads. so they may pass some kind of stopgap measure, but in the meanwhile, there's a million miles of roads that are at the mercy of what's going on in congress. >> so if politicians do not raise the gas tax, what are they
proposed to do about the roads are crumbling and full of potholes? we see it every day. >> i drove in from the country on sunday, and every time you hit those potholes -- i think the solution is going to be they'll take general revenue and stick it in the trust fund as a stopgap measure. the conservatives won't like that because it will be an increase in our budget deficit. it'll be another one of these classic washington, take steps and not do anything at the root of it all. >> do you suppose they could figure if you raise the gas tax minimally to repair roads and bridges, that means you hire people who make money who then spend money in small businesses. can they figure that out? >> some of the wiser people have made that point, but it has gone unheard. >> okay. here's a question for you all. what went wrong at willie's epic senior year house party? what went wrong there?
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♪ all right. it's the top of the hour. a beautiful shot of new york city as the sun is up over the big apple. welcome back to "morning joe." mike barnicle, steve rattner, and eugene robinson still with us. joining us from washington, abc political commentator cokie roberts. great to have you on this morning. >> good morning. nice to be with you. >> thank you very much. we'll begin this hour with a
battle in the senate. voters will decide which candidates head to the general election in key battle ground states. mitch mcconnell looks secure against tea party challenger matt bevin, but it is his likely november opponent democrat alison lun alison lundergan grimes that poses more of a threat. >> i am a kentucky woman who my colleagues have referred to as an empty dress. that seeks to retire mitch mcconnell. mitch mcconnell fails to realize that it's labor that have lifted millions out of poverty as he says no to collective bargaining, as he says no to prevailing wage. you will have someone in the united states the saying right to work for less is just another saying for union busting and i
will have none of it. >> for mcconnell, it's not just keeping his seat in the senate. he's got his eyes on majority leader if republicans take control. >> twlst only one thing we can do about it in 2014. in 2014 you can make me the offensive coordinator instead of the defensive coordinator. >> so to shift the balance of power, gop candidates need to win six seats. and mcconnell thinks that monica webby may be one of them. >> for you women in the room, you'd love our candidate in oregon who's going to be nominated today. tomorrow. their primary is the same day as ours. she's a female pediatric neurosurgeon whose slogan is change your senator, not your doctor. >> okay. i'm going to go to cokie roberts, because she, too, is a female. >> therefore an expert on dr.
monica webby. she has got a real problem in oregon. and it's a perfect example of what happens when you go to a political unknown. she looked great on paper. a pediatric neurosurgeon as you heard senator mcconnell say. she's attractive. she has no record which can be useful. and the tea party supports her opponent. the truth is that she's had all these police reports come out where both her former boyfriend and her former husband have accused her of stalking them and in the police report from her former husband, he says that she threw a note pad at him. now, the police say they got there and saw a little red mark on his face that could have been, and i'm quoting here, a zit. so it clearly wasn't a serious injury, but still.
it does raise questions about her character if they keep having these reports. i think she probably will have trouble winning today. >> i don't want even know. wow. well, so senator mcconnell is offering support to the republican candidate in oregon as she deals with the bruising end to her primary campaign. and it surrounds newly revealed details about the messy divorce and whether it was the note pad or zit. anyhow, this is hardly the only race this cycle to feature some of the darker sides of politics. so nbc's kasie hunt has much more for you. >> i think negative campaigns are like nitroglycerin. unstable, dangerous, and oftentimes most dangerous to the people using them. >> reporter: good advice from a man who knows a thing or two about winning campaigns. but not everyone is listening. in just the last week, there are reports of a senate candidate who once threw things at her
ex-husband. new documents claiming a texas politician tried to commit suicide two decades ago. and then there's the political blogger who tried to break into a nursing home to photograph a senator's bedridden wife. >> we don't know this guy. we have no idea who he is that's been arrested by the madison police trying to do what is one of the most despicable things i have ever heard of. >> reporter: blogger clayton kelly supports tea party candidate chris mcdaniel who's challenging thad cochran. he's accused of taking pictures of cochran's wife who's ill and posting them on this website. >> just a source of a lot of ugly rumors and nasty stuff. we wanted it squashed. >> reporter: in nearby texas, there are just days until a runoff election. lieutenant governor david dewhurst is distancing himself from documents suggesting opponent dan patrick once attempted suicide.
>> the race took a bizarre turn thursday night with the release of court documents showing he was hospitalized for depression in the '80s. >> reporter: meanwhile in oregon, these are the headlines the day before primary voting ends. according to the police report, quote, monica has pulled his hair, slapped him, and thrown items at him. but negative campaigning has a mixed track record. it's easy to remember the attacks that worked. like this one against michael dukakis. >> gordon kidnapped a couple repeatedly raping his girlfriend. a weekend pass. dukakis on crime. >> reporter: in a close race with rand paul, jack conway's campaign ran this. >> why did rand paul tie a woman up and tell him his god was aqua buddha? >> what are we going here?
>> what a collection of people. >> kasie joins us where she's safe there. as the candidates make their -- i'm going to stick to kentucky, i think, as the candidates make their closing arguments, anything new this morning? >> well, kentucky voters remember the aqua buddha ad well. they are now going for what's going to be a big race here. we're expecting mitch mcconnell here later today. we're expecting them to spend tens of millions of dollars on the air attacking each other. they've already been on the air for months with no real promise of it letting up. mcconnell is deeply unpopular here. the question is whether or not he's able to resuscitate those numbers. he's tried in several sort of positive bigraphical ads. so far it doesn't seem to have worked. so his only alternative could be to drag down grimes' numbers as
much as possible. that means voters are in for a dragout fight. >> cokie, it's interesting. kasie just referenced that mcconnell is deeply unpopular in kentucky but unpopular even within the republican structure in kentucky and yet he is obviously very popular within the minority of republicans who are in the united states senate. talk about the differences between being a leader in the senate and running for re-election in your own home state. >> well, actually, being a leader in the senate can be a detriment for running in your home state. the fact is that people at home want you to be paying attention at home. and we've seen several key senators lose mainly in their primaries because they haven't paid attention at home. but for instance, like dick lugar who was a very respected member of the senate from indiana, chairman of the committee at various times lost
to a tea partier. now, that's not happening to mcconnell. and that is an important thing to talk about today. because what the republicans have caught onto is that they are not allowing the candidates who can't win in november to win their primaries. and so mcconnell's going to win his primary in kentucky. it looks like the people who are running in georgia who are on the republican side, the more mainstream republicans are going to come out ahead in that primary. and in oregon, we'll see. because of the last-minute charges against dr. webby. but mcconnell, even though people don't like him, they vote for him. and that keeps happening. so i think that he's -- even though it's going to be a rough race, he's likely to win it. >> alison grimes has done well. but there are five and a half months left until election day. what's the core of her argument
against mitch mcconnell should she make it through and mcconnell make it through tonight? >> she's making the core argument that she's the one who's going to be rooted in kentucky. she's essentially tying mcconnell to a very unpopular washington. and he's actually making the argument that because he's been in washington so long, he's the right person for kentucky and i asked her yesterday if she could bring home the amount of money that he has. she dinged him for those earmarks. he had to distance himself from those. it meant senators in neighboring states got credit for a recent dam project. i had seen her campaign here in february. i saw her again last night. she's made marked improvements on the stump. >> all right. quick, steve. >> just to mike's point. there is precedent of people tired of having a leader out of state that they feel is out of touch and not looking after
them. you had tom daschle who had been there a long time. you had tom foley losing in oregon in 1994. so every once in awhile, the populist does rise up and say we want someone paying attention to us. and this guy's out of touch. >> i made fun of using the word "female." but it came across as old fashioned and completely out of touch. >> old fashioned for mitch mcconnell? >> it was like, what are you talking about? but that's what we got. let's move onto this story. this is something else. new york mayor bill de blasio is defending his wife this morning following a magazine profile where she discussed her struggles as a new mom. she talks about the challenges of balancing a career with the responsibilities of being a mother. she says about her daughter in part, quote, this.
it was a long article and here's the quote. i was 40 years old. hi a life. the truth is i could not spend every day with her. she had just had her baby. i didn't want to do that. i looked for all kinds of reasons not to do it. it took a long time for me to get into, i'm taking care of kids, and what that means. the tabloids pounced. the new york post ran a screaming headline, i was a bad mom. mayor de blasio not happy speaking to reporters at city hall. the democrat called on the papers to apologize. >> i think it's deeply disturbing. i think it was inappropriate. it really suggests a tremendous misunderstanding of what it is to be a parent and mother. i think a lot of women are offended. a lot of hard working women in this city are offended. i think both the post and "the daily news" owe her an apology, all of us an apology for absolutely misrepresenting what
she said and for caricaturing a reality that i think so many women face. >> so i'd like to go to cokie roberts again not only because she's female but from a legacy of strong mothers. i read the new york post i think it was and there was a headline saying i was a bad mother. i thought is there abuse involved. and i open it up and she said something a lot of women feel. is that fair? >> of course. absolutely. i had my babies in my early 20s. it was a lot easier than being as involved as she was in her career. the truth is nobody wants to spend all day every day with a baby. they don't say anything. they're darling and they coo and all of that, but they're not the most scintillating company. and so i think that she was just
saying the truth and what a huge number of people feel. and it has clearly been distorted. give me a break. >> give me a break. i found it inappropriate is what the word the mayor used. i think it was offensive and i feel like they wouldn't say this about other people. eugene robinson, what could be behind such an attack like this? >> well, it's partly political. "the new york post" of course doesn't like mayor de blasio and would like to weaken him however it can. i think, however, it did something that is bound to create sympathy for de blasio and for his whole family. and also i think "the new york post" owes us an apology as part of the media. i think this is part of the reason of why we rate so low in terms of approval and popularity is things like this.
just obviously unfair personal attacks. it's just -- >> this is one that hit where it hurts for women who -- i mean, as working women, women who work at home, whoufr you want to describe it. we spend most of our time with those some of those feelings that chirlane said and trying to appease everyone and show them we love them. for some reason this was -- i don't know. below the belt. it was completely off base to attack her that way. >> why don't you explain to the male editors of "the new york post" how exhausted you get after having a child. and there comes a point in time quickly after having that child that your partner, your husband leaves for work and you don't. >> well, i mean, i literally -- i have a -- my husband is an equal part. i will say there were times, though, where i took our daughter to the doctor and it
just didn't even don on -- the thought of him going with us was not happening i do things the husband doesn't do. it comes down to us. and that's why i read this and it hurt so much. >> right. and you do all those things and then you also go to work. many women choose to work. >> work is the great place to go. that's the dirty little secret that men have known for years and years is that going to work is a great relief. it is so much easier to go to work than it is to stay at home. >> get some sleep at work. >> and also it's just to find activities. you know what you're doing. you're probably good at it. and it is something that does involve adult companionship and all of that. home is hard. it's always being on call. you're never off duty. >> cokie, the number of women
that have to work on top of it. so wow. i had never seen anything like it in a lot of ways. i've seen some crazy headlines, but not one like this that was cold and sered. i think it did sere most women who read it. i want to send it back now to moore, oklahoma, where the community there is marking one year after that devastating tornado. thomas roberts is live near the same spot we visited just hours after the storm hit. thomas? >> reporter: mika, good morning to you. we are live this morning in front of plaza towers elementary school. this is just one of the elementary schools that was devastated last year when that ef-5 tornado came through moore. behind me this is the spot where seven children died. as you can see, they have started the process of rebuilding this elementary school. they hope to have it open by fall. and as we look around this neighborhood, a lot more homes are coming back with brick structures but when owe went to the same spot we were broadcasting from last year, it was encouraging to see the
rebuilding that has happened. it is also a little heart breaking to see a lot of the building that hasn't happened. here's a look at what we saw. so this is the exact same spot where we were broadcasting from last year. this is the home of amber and her husband and daughter. they rode out the storm in their bathtub wearing helmets and they pulled mattresses over the bathtub. they came out of the storm unscathed, but their house was a deplete wreck. and now it's just a dirt pile. there's not even a slab that remains here anymore. you'll also remember in the front yard there was a tree over here. it was surrounded by metal shrapnel. and that used to be the moore medical facility. it's leveled now. they put down new roads, but they've done no reconstruction. what they have now is that area of tents for the moore emergency clinic that they've been able to serve patients that way. and there you see down there, the movie theater where they had
some roof repairs. that remains pretty much unchanged. so it really is amazing to see the progress that has been made in certain spots. you'll remember that corner. it was on south telephone road and southwest 6th that we were doing our live reporting from. now there is some small regrowth there with homes that have been rebuilt. but you'll recall the devastation that was the moore medical facility across the way that also had that day care center. that is completely gone. now just a flat surface. there is some pavement down for roads because they plan to have the medical facility open in 2016 there. but as you saw in that example, they have the tent city of an emergency room there for those that need treatment so they can help the patients there. i guess you have to temper expectations of how quickly they can rebuild, how smartly they
can rebuild. there's been over some 8,000 building permits issued. as i'm looking around here at plaza towers, so many homes are going up with brick construction. >> thomas, thank you so much. we'll talk to you soon. appreciate it. still ahead from schindler's list to a raunchy western comedy? we'll find out why liam neeson took the big creative risk when he joins us in our 8:00 hour. and later this hour, two races in two cities all in one day. kurt busch is planning to put that off and why. okay. up next, oh yeah. oh, yeah. you know what? i got some questions for this guy. i've watched him all my life. i've worked with him. i worked with him. bill geist here to spill the beans on willie, his childhood, and everything else. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. ♪ i make a lot of purchases for my business.
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♪ parents wouldn't do that. you guys are nice. we have a father/son moment here happening. it's sort of like that moment on national lampoon's vacation. remember that one? >> good talk. >> here it is. >> my dad shared a beer with me and i thought it was the best thing in the world. yeah. when i was a boy just about every summer we'd take a vacation. and you know, in 18 years, we never had fun. but now i have my own family and, well, we're on our own vacation. you know something, russ?
>> what, dad? >> we're going to have fun. we're going to have fun. hey. don't let your mother smell that beer on your breath. she'll take it out on me. well, i better get a move on if i want to get us out of here by dark. >> right. >> good talk, son. >> good talk, dad. >> that's it. >> that scene helped inspire their new book "good talk, dad: the birds and the bees and other conversations we forgot to have." joins us now "cbs this morning" correspondent bill geist and his son willie geist who is a male. >> i am. they are the first one to realize it comes directly from that scene. >> we have one person who gets it. >> thank god. >> it's the good talk, dad, in the spirit of chevy chase.
we never had good talks. >> i talked to willie about the dangers of thol last week. >> a little late, but we got it. >> i didn't think of that scene even though i haven't seen the movie, i could hear you saying that. >> we don't want to have the talk. >> nobody does. why did you decide to write this book? it's funny but it's wonderful in many ways. >> thank you. you were nice to read it. i like the idea of writing have a book. when you collaborate, you only write half. the second was two years ago my dad went on national tv on "cbs sunday morning" and told the world he has parkinson's disease he's had for two decades. we realized we never had a talk about this huge thing. he hadn't told me or my sister libby for ten years he had it. we didn't know because you couldn't see the outward signs at that point. then we got to the funny thing. we never talked about sex. we never talked about drinking. we never talked about all these
things that dads are supposed to talk to sons about. so we go back and have awkward conversations. >> better late than never. >> the sex thing, i had no idea what to say or how to do it. i thought it would happen naturally in the woods. >> because you didn't know anything about it. you were like me. >> i didn't want him contradicting me. in third grade, kids are taught more than i know now. i'm real clear on it today. >> it all just doesn't make any sense, does it? >> the truth is talking to people about this book now anecdotally, i don't know about you, mike, i haven't heard any fathers and son who sat down and said let's talk about sex, son. what dad and kid want that can frgs? >> can you imagine my dad and brothers? >> a visual component? i didn't know what to do. >> i love it. >> this book is not only laugh out loud funny every page of it, but it is a must-read for every family in america. for many, many reasons.
but i want to ask you, bill geist, what were you thinking when you sent willie to summer camp? >> i had the best intentions as fathers and mothers always do. so jodi his mother and i we researched this. we went to the camp expo down at the center where you can send your kid to finland or become the greate eses eses esest baso. we dropped him off and thought it would work. >> it looked lovely. what the guy who sold my dad a cut rate camp, what he didn't share was that the counselors at the camp were in rehabilitation. they were juvenile offenders. in some cases they had committed mostly nonviolent crime but some violent. and we didn't know that when we got there. so i kid you not, there were
gang fights at the camp. there was one night where some of the counselors went and slashed the tires on each other's cars. we often couldn't get into what they call the pill box which was the medical facility because the woman, the nurse in the pill box was sleeping with some of the counselors and they were locked up in there. so if you had a medical condition, you just had to wait until they were finished. . >> wow. >> we learned a few things. >> that beats being held hostage in niese with the family to take care of the kids where there are no kids. >> i get a $25 discount coupon. cut it out of a sunday magazine. >> you love your truck, right? >> i love my truck, right. >> did you see the picture of the red jeep. >> i did. i was coveting it. >> willie finally drove the red jeep all the way from new jersey to vanderbilt. >> that was our family car there 1984. my dad spent every nickel of a book advance on that car. >> $7700. it was extra if you wanted a
front seat. >> that's the way the jeeps were. >> so he paid for a back seat but no power steering, no frills whatsoever. by the time i learned to drive 13 years later, and it was so beat up, the floor was rusted through. but that was our family car. mom used to pick me up with no doors many the red jeep regardless of the weather. >> i like this picture of you, you look like eddie haskell. >> that's my senior photograph in high school. you can't see because of the black and white, it's blurred, i have an earring in. >> and you tell that story. why? what in god's name? >> our entire football team got earrings. it was this act of rebellion. except i told my mom about it and she said all right, if you do it, we'll do it the right way. the other guys were jabbing needles through their ears. my mom drove me personally to her little hair and nail salon. >> willie.
>> it take this rebellion out of it when your mom takes you to her hair salon. >> there's your tough guy right there. >> what conversations did you guys actually have that maybe you would have never had if you didn't do this book together? >> lots of them. >> most of it is fun and light and we didn't have a serious birds and bees conversation. but we talked about parkinson's more than we had. we talked more deeply about why he didn't tell us about it and what his life is like with it. >> why didn't he? >> i didn't because i'd always been the fun guy. and i didn't want to be -- when i walk into a room i didn't want the first thing people thought of is, oh, he has parkinson's or he's a sick guy. and i didn't want my kids to worry about it. i didn't know where it was going and i didn't want them to think it was catastrophic. >> the remarkable thing about my dad is not only has he lived and worked with it. he's worked with it on national television.
>> not always effectively. >> always effectively. >> your stuff's amazing as it always has been. >> thank you. >> and you know what? you bring light to a condition that a lot of people suffer from. and make it okay. >> i have found that. >> make it part of life. >> i got probably a couple thousand e-mails from people who contracted parkinson's. it's sort of embarrassing. i've always been the outsider and women rush up to me in the airport and say you're my hero. >> oh, stop bragging women rush up to me in the airport. >> they've always rushed up to me in the airport. they usually had police uniforms on. >> i'm going to embarrass you a little more. >> please. >> willie, talk about your dad who's an icon, iconic tv appearances on "cbs sunday morning." but he's an old print guy. >> people say did your dar inspire you to get into tv. i don't think he thinks of himself as a tv guy. one of the great writers at the
chicago tribune wrote for the suburban trib out there. he is a legend in that town. talk to anyone in chicago when you go back, i read your dad's columns growing up. then he gets a job at "new york times" and writes the about new york column from 1980 to 1987. people come on this show, well known "new york times" writers and best selling authors and a couple of them have said to me, i would read your father's column in "the new york times" and just retype it word for word to feel what it's like to write that well. and these are some great writers that you see in the front page of "the times" today. >> that doesn't help when you're on deadline. don't feel like a legend when you're sitting there sweating it out and having anxiety attacks on deadline. >> can we embarrass willie? >> please. >> what are your thoughts on willie today? >> well, i'm extremely proud of him. people ask what kind of kid he was. i say he was a tall child. >> thanks a lot. you see the problem here.
>> good talk. >> but i think he's a great kid. he's humble, believe it or not, at home. he's just -- i said he has more finesse than i had. when i made jokes in the classroom i was sent out in the hallway for the rest of the day. willie manages to stay in the classroom. >> he is one of those. he's like barnicle. you're like that. >> no, barnicle's in the hallway. >> no, i was in the street. >> oh, no. you'd skate by. but he's a bright boy, isn't he? >> yes, he is. and we don't understand that either. there might have been someone else involved. >> birds and the bees. >> tall. >> may have been more than one bee. >> well, drones by the way i have researched the birds and the bees. and bees can have sex in midair and the drones mate with them
and fall to the ground and die. >> this is the birds and bees conversation we would have had. they mate in the air and die. go get 'em. >> good talk, dad. that's the book. what a pleasure to have you on the show this morning. will willie's adorable, we're happy to have him. thank you for the good work you did as a dad even though you never talked to him. that's okay. we know the pollsters don't always get it right. on this primary day, we look at some of the most nor tor yotori failed political predictions. next. keep it here. ♪ captain: this is a tip. bellman: thanks, captain obvious.
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♪ it is not just the candidates who have a lot riding on today's elections. the pollsters who cover every inch of the campaigns also have a lot at stake. as derrick kitts reports, they're sometimes remembered more for what they got wrong than what they got right. >> political polling is a silence.
oftentimes the results shape the candidates issues. who says the polling results are always correct? back in 1936 the literary digest predicted alf landon would beat roosevelt. that didn't happen. but it opened the door for george gallup who got it right. 12 years later the chicago tribune relied on faulty polling and ended up publishing a headline that couldn't have been further from the truth. it was harry truman who got the keys to the white house for the next four years. in 2004 just days before the election, polls showed john kerry with a four-point edge over president bush in ohio. but again, the polling was inaccurate with george w. bush claiming the buckeye state and another term in the white house. 2008 also saw its share of polling inaccuracies with five polls conducted just days before the new hampshire democratic primary showing barack obama to be way out in front. the pollsters, however, failed to inform then-senator hillary clinton who went on to claim the
state by three percentage points. in 2012, it was gallup that incorrectly predicted a mitt romney victory. instead, barack obama went on to win the popular vote by more than 3 million. with so much being made of the polling in today's key elections, we'll be back friday to assess just who got it right and who got it wrong and what it could mean heading into november. >> thank you. cokie roberts, there are wrong polls and yet we follow them. why? >> well, because they give us some indication of what people are thinking and whoo i. and they're much more useful for that, frankly, than they are for predicting an outcome. but there are also good polls and bad polls. you've got to know which ones are which. it tends to be true that the media polls, the ones that nbc takes, abc takes are better polls than the independent polls. and the candidate polls, forget altogether. they are generally taken with a
mission in mind and really should not be paid any attention to. but you've got to be good at knowing which ones to track and which ones not to. otherwise you will get it very wrong. >> steve rattner, politicians always say we don't care what the polls say. it just doesn't matter. we never look at them. >> well, they may increasingly be right. because one of the problems with polls is they're getting less reliable. as people move away from landlines and 40% of people in america don't have those anymore and they operate off cell phones, it's hard to get the information. you don't know who you're talking to. you don't get the same response rates. and finally a lot of the local newspapers that used to finance these can't afford to do it anymore. so the polling business they think is on facing the challenge. >> they are using cell phones. >> they don't get the same response rates. >> but good ones do have the models where they can correct
for it. it really is poll by poll. >> wow. cokie roberts, always good to see you. thank you for being on the show this morning. see you in washington some time. still ahead, we go back to moore, oklahoma, one year after a massive tornado changed everything. thomas roberts will be joined by the state's governor mary fallon. plus congressman tom cole who makes that community his home. so we'll be right back with much more "morning joe."
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♪ all right. this story is all over the front pages of the major newspapers. there are new concerns about tensions between the united states and china. after a first of its kind indictment. five chinese nationals are now facing charges of allegedly hacking into computers of six u.s. companies and stealing trade secrets. the justice department says the companies included westinghouse,
alcoa, and u.s. steel. they suspect they are part of a military unit that uses e-mails to install malware and the companies' computers. china is rejecting the allegations and accusing the united states of spying. the country is also pulling out of an agreement for the two countries to hold talks on cyber security. china has summoned u.s. ambassador max baucus and demanding he have the charges eliminated. where does this stand in terms of our relationship with china? >> not good on that front. but we've believed for a long time that the chinese were conducting industrial spying and stealing secrets from our companies. but for a long time, the companies didn't want to be named and we didn't do much about it. now they have moved forward. obviously there's a certain irony in this because of the nsa spying that also went on. we have created this sort of thin line of explanation that we only spy on institutions, on people that we thought were trying to do us harm. they are stealing trade secrets
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here with us any, 2004 nascar champion kurt busch, who will raise awareness for an important cause. really good to have you on the set this morning. he's drinking something like red bull but stronger. scares me. >> it's a monster java. >> uh-huh. all right. tell us about the double and how you plan to get through it. >> well, the double is the indianapolis 500 and the coca-cola 600 in the same day. three other guys have done it r before me but to me i'm a nascar guy. not many guys from the nascar world jump over into the indycar world. we've had guys from the indy side try nascar and i've really admired their challenge trying to jump to a different discipline in motor sports. so for me this is my only chance to run the indy 500 and we're doing it for a good cause. >> let's talk about the cause
because there's so many reasons why you would be inspired to do this beyond the fact that it's what you love. >> well, it's memorial day weekend, and to me that's always been a time to reflect and honor and to give notice to our men and women who have served. on memorial day weekend it's a tough challenge to run 1100 miles in a day. when i feel like that i'm not up to the task or i'm about ready to fall out of the seat, as they say, i'm going to lean back on the experience that i've received from the military. my trips to walter reed, bethesda medical centers, seeing these men and women who have served, who have their arms blown off or their legs or struggling with ptsd. that's what the armed forces foundation does, focus on ptsd, posttraumatic stress, and helping our troops get back into civilian life and back up on their feet. this is inspiration i've received from them and i want everyone to know that i'm out there pushing hard for our military. >> what are the logistics of the two races? where are they held and how are you going to do this?
>> the first race is in indianapolis. the race starts at noon. usually it's about a four-hour race. i have a two-hour window to get to charlotte for the coca-cola 600, the big nascar race. in between i'll be flying on a cessna jet. those guys have helped me get back and forth with all of the practice sessions so far so the logistics is a challenge, the race is a challenge and for me i have zero indycar experience so that's the fun part of all of this. >> and yesterday you lost your indycar. he had a wreck yesterday at indianapolis. >> that shows my inexperience with the indycar for sure. i qualified it at 230 miles an hour on sunday and then we had a practice yesterday and the car just slid away from me and i wrecked it. >> okay. >> so survived the wreck. that's part of racing. you don't think about the side effects of when you can or will wreck. >> have you got a backup car? >> i think patricia does. go ahead, steve ratner. >> so how do you think the indy thing will go?
what's your prediction given where you'll finish? >> for me it's just pacing myself for that 500 miles. what i did wrong yesterday was i try to get into a groove to settle in and absorb the car and not, you know, overexert myself. well, that indycar will bite you if you don't give it full attention, so i didn't respect that indycar and the challenge that it presents every lap. so the mental side of the indycar is more important than the physical side. >> all right, you're driving this weekend the double to raise awareness for service members, veterans and their family members who deal with ptsd and other injuries, to recognize them and thank them. kurt busch, thank you so much. good luck. be good, especially with the part that you don't know. coming up, he's conquered action films and romantic comedies and now he's taking on westerns. actor liam neeson joins us on set. plus mayor de blasio is striking back after the city's papers attacked his wife with headlines that are frankly way out of line. and we'll go back to moore,
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good morning. it's 8:00 on the east coast, 5:00 a.m. on the west coast as you take a live look at new york city. you should get up now. mike barnicle is here, steve rattner is here and in washington we have eugene rob inson. in just a few hours voters will decide which candidates head to the general election in key battleground states. mitch mcconnell looks pretty secure against matt bevin but it's likely november opponent allison grimes who's poised to present a tougher task. she came out swinging at a rally in louisville. >> i am a kentucky woman who my republican colleagues have so generally referred to as an empty dress. that seeks to retire mitch
mcconnell. mitch mcconnell fails to realize that it's labor that has lifted millions out of poverty. as he says no to collective bargaining, as he says no to prevailing wage. you will have someone in the united states senate who says right to work for less is just another work for union busting, and i will have none of it. >> okay. for mcconnell, it's not just about keeping his seat in the senate, he's eyeing the role of majority leader should republicans take control. >> there's only one thing we can do about it in 2014. in 2014, you can change the united states senate and make me the offensive coordinator instead of the defensive coordinator. >> a very different tone there. to shift the balance of power gop candidates need to win six seats. mcconnell thinks monica webbe may be one of them. >> i'd say for you women in the room, you'd love our candidate in oregon who's going to be
dominated today -- tomorrow. their primary is the same day as ours. she's a female pediatric neurosurgeon whose slogan is change your senate, not your doctor. >> i guess that's opposed to she's a male -- she's a female? >> i think the words seemed awkward to me. >> he's an awkward guy. >> okay. female webbe, however, has faced a bruising end to the campaign with newly disclosed accusations that she harassed her ex-husband during their divorce back in 2007. he reportedly called the police and claimed she had pulled his hair, slapped him and threw items at him. i'd like to hear the whole story. on friday politico reported another man, a former boyfriend, accused webbe of stalking him last year. male, willie, take over. >> thank you, female, mika,
appreciate it. that's quite an op-o dump at the end here. let's go back to kentucky where this obviously is about november. it looks like mcconnell and grimes will win tonight, we'll see. what kind of race does this shape up to be? this is as tough as mcconnell has been challenged right now. we're still five and a half months away from election day but you look at the poll, he's locked and he's worried about grimes. >> yeah, all the polls show this is a very close race in november. allison crimgrimes is obviously formidable candidate. she's a knfemale candidate at that, as mitch mcconnell might have noticed and pointed out. he's a crafty politician. he knows kentucky. he's got a lot of strings to pull. but he's in a really tough race and it's a funny state. it's basically a solid red state but it could elect a democrat.
it's not beyond the realm of possibility. so this could be the fight of his -- of this phase at least of his political life. >> barnicle. >> gene, if memory serves me correctly there was a poll within the past six or seven weeks that showed senator mcconnell's internals were highly negative against him among republicans, which was kind of an interesting dynamic. i don't know whether his opponent's -- his democratic opponent's seemingly strength would account for the fact that suddenly after all of these years, steve rattner, he seems to be traveling with his wife more often than not. >> his wife is a very for midable character. she served in bush's cabinet as a secretary of labor and a real force of nature and gives him a personality, shall we say, that might not always be present in his absence. so he's bringing in the female. >> all right. speaking of females, my god,
it's not like we're talking about your horses or something. it's ridiculous -- did mitch mcconnell say female? >> he did. >> can someone send him a note, seriously. i don't think he wants one from me. speaking of females, new york city mayor bill de blasio is defending his wife following a magazine profile where she discussed her struggles as a new mom. in an interview with "new york" magazine, she spoke about the challenges of balancing a career with the responsibilities of being a mother. she says about her daughter in part, this. i was 40 years old. i had a life. the truth is i could not spend every day with her. i didn't want to do that. i looked for all kinds of reasons not to do it. it took a long time for me to get into i'm taking care of kids and what that means. the tabloids pounced. "the daily news" said she did not want to be a mom.
"the new york post" ran a headline i was a bad mom. the democrat called on the papers to apologize. >> i think it's deeply disturbing. i think it was inappropriate. it really suggests a tremendous misunderstanding of what it is to be a parent, what it is to be a mother. i think a lot of women are offended. a lot of hard-working women in this city are offended. i think both "the post" and "the daily news" owes her an apology and all of us an apology for absolutely misrepresenting what she said and for caricaturing a reality that i think so many women face. >> so it's -- i read the article. first of all, that part of it is this much in an article that was this big. it was much to do about her life as an advocate, as a ground-breaker, as wife of a politician, but also a partner who has a career in her own
right and ideas in her own right and hopes and thoughts for the future in her own right. i found the headlines to be stunning. >> what century is this that we're in all of a sudden? you know, we have this this week, all last week we're talking about jill abramson, you know, mitch mcconnell uses "female" in that odd way. did i -- did i miss something? did we just go back 100 years? >> steve. >> "the new york post" went down. "the new york post" decided to take a short part of a long article, twist it around and put it on its first page because "the new york post" is after this mayor, shall we say. >> what -- i just wonder what's behind that. >> bill de blasio -- first of all, bill de blasio ought not to use the word "inappropriate." it's the most overworked word currently in the english language. that was offensive. it was more than inappropriate,
it was offensive to any young mother with children. you can't help the feeling am i going to be handcuffed to the house for the rest of my life? you love your child, you care for your child but it's okay to have those feelings. >> i will say that she says what so many women feel. i felt it, absolutely. and the guilt that she talks about, lived with every day. it starts to steam roll into something worse because you really feel pressured between what society thinks you should be, which is completely in love with your kids 24 hours a day, seven days a week, something that by the way is not applied to a man. if you don't feel that way is there something wrong with you as a woman? because i did feel that way. >> but you are in love with your children, you're just exhausted because your husband is not there. >> and there are other facets to your identity beyond the fact that you have children. that's all she was saying, she had worked since she was 14 years old.
that she knew how to do. what she didn't know how to do was to be tied to the house running around after toddlers and almost being hostage to them. >> i think maybe you'd agree with this, especially with your first child, because your entire life has focused inward. it's been all about you and your careers and your goals and all these other things and this person shows up and you love them more than you've ever loved anything in your life but it's adjustment. that's all she was talking about. i don't think that we should be surprised that it's on the cover of these papers because that's what they're in the business of, being provocative but this one went too far. >> some women say it they're just not married to the mayor who "the new york post" is trying to disembowel. >> the nba is moving forward with its plans to strip donald sterling of his ownership of the los angeles clippers. he has charged with contact that has damaged and continues to
damage the nba hurting the league's relationship with its fans and owners. his lawyer has requested a three-month delay, which is unlikely to happen. sterling will have the opportunity to make his case to fellow owners at a hearing on june 3rd. if three-fourths of owners vote to uphold the charges, sterling will be forced to sell the clippers, as he should, willie. >> steve, donald sterling's argument is that you cannot just strip a person of their property at will. there has to be some case. we all knew this was coming, he was going to sue back and fight this whole thing, but there's no way come opening night in october that donald sterling is owning the los angeles clippers. all they need is a three-fourths vote from the owners. obviously going to get that. you have players like lebron james saying if donald sterling owns the clippers, i will not play in next year's season. there's just going to be a big fight along the way. >> one thing about this that hasn't really come out, there's
a big tax fight involved in this whole thing because donald sterling bought that team for nothing. if he dies with that as part of his estate, he gets a step up in basis and avoids paying a couple hundred million dollars on that when the team is ultimately sold. he's not a well man as has also been reported. so i think there's a little bit of a subtext here of i need this in my estate because it's going to cost me an awful lot of money if i die first. but the end result, the contract between the nba and the owners seems crystal clear. there are plenty of other businesses where you can lose your license, lose your franchise, lose your rights if you're part of an organization and you have agreed to abide by its rules. >> it's been reprehensible for so long, really, just get it over with. moving on, with one of the most devastating tornados in american history, 24 dead, 400 hurt, and the town of moore, oklahoma, levelled. "morning joe" was on the scene
hours after the storm hit and thomas roberts has made his way back there. thomas. >> reporter: mika, good morning to you. we do continue our live coverage here in moore, oklahoma, where we are coming back to visit the area most devastated by that ef-5 tornado that ripped through a year ago today. one of the areas most devastated was plaza towers elementary school which is behind me. seven children lost their lives there. joining me this morning is republican congressman tom cole of moore, oklahoma. this is your community, sir. it's great to have you with me. explain what you've seen over the last 12 months that's gotten us to this point today where we can stand in front of almost a fully completed plaza towers elementary school. what's the community spirit? >> you know, very strong, very upbeat. this place knows how to come back. we've had a tremendous amount of help. you've got to frankly credit the american people who have been here in force. we have terrific local and state leadership. federal government has done an excellent job. in the end it takes people to
rebuild and we've got great people and they're putting it back together. >> reporter: obviously you have deep rots within this community and the people of moore and the people of oklahoma have deep roots within their state and their towns because they do rebuild after these severe weather systems move through. we know that the irony of the fact that it was in 1999 that an ef-5 came through moore at the same clip, almost the same trajectory of what we saw a year ago and the community rebuilt. here we are standing in this community near plaza towers and seeing homes go back up and hearing the noise of construction. what makes the families feel safe enough to want to come back and reinvest and rebuild? >> i think first of all they know this is a place that knows how to rebuild, that supports you when times are tough. people forget, as bad as tornados are, they're not hurricanes. a hurricane hits everything for hundreds of thousands of square miles. these are pretty tightly circumstance described paths of
destruction. i've lived here through multiple tornados. my house has never been hit, i've been pretty fortunate, and that's true with the majority of people. but when they come, if you're in that path, obviously it's deadly and dangerous. >> reporter: and when we speak with deadly and dangerous, seven children lost their lives. this school did not have a storm shelter in place. it's coming back with a storm shelter that's going to be built to resemble a classroom so if the kids go into it it's not too jarring to them. >> right. >> reporter: but explain why there have been school facilities and other places that have been built without the money spent to put that precaution in when we know that this is in tornado alley. >> well, i think historically it just wasn't done here and wasn't done any place else in the midwest that i'm aware of as a requirement. but we've gone from two shelters in schools to ten in the last year. i think every school will have one pretty soon. lots of safe rooms, lots of
reinforced buildings built. so people do learn tough lessons and that's something we should have done differently. >> reporter: it seems as though the governor we're going to have on later in the show talking about how this should be handled, keeping it from truly as local as possible. as someone who lives in this community, what's your thought on how local it should be when it comes to decisions about storm shelters and the rebates that go along with them, the tax rebates. >> i think the more local, the better. again, there's federal programs that help a lot that either incentivize or match prices or help people that can't afford them. there's state efforts and philanthropic efforts but i think at the end of the day people ought to control their own destiny and make their own decisions. people feel they're very much in control of their own lives and honestly they prefer it that day. >> reporter: and you're back to d.c. today? >> sadly so.
>> reporter: later today there is a remembrance ceremony at the former moore medical facility. >> correct. this is our version, you know, of the oklahoma city bombing or 9/11. in this community this is a really impactful experience and honestly put us under a lot of pressure but brought us together, so it's my hometown, there's no place else i'd rather be. >> reporter: moore strong. thanks for making time for us on "morning joe." we'll check in with bill karins. it is a beautiful, gorgeous, sunny day. it's a little blustery but it's probably 68, 70 degrees. really nice. >> a lot better than a year ago, right, thomas? what's interesting, we were talking about with the storm that went through there, it's not like a hurricane but you can see in the picture behind me, this is where the worst devastation was. that's where the elementary school was down here at the bottom. only about two blocks over, those houses on the far right just barely touched but the houses in the middle of the screen were gone and devastated. that's how tornados work.
it's unfair and there's a lot of guilt felt by a lot of people. you can be a block or two away and your house is fine. this was an ef-5. it was on the ground 39 minutes, 17 miles, and up to 210 miles per hour. we don't get many that strong. yesterday we did have one pretty strong storm in nebraska but that was about it. we saw some rain this morning through the great lakes. if we're going to get any damaging storms today, they're likely going to occur from areas around chicago to cedar rapids, heading down to indiana and ohio. again, not thinking tornados today. that will be wind damage with those storms. we're actually getting a little break from our tornado season. this is the peak month and we're in a little lull here and hopefully will stay in it. as far as the travel goes today, not many issues out there. we're looking pretty nice across much of the country and it looks to stay that way right through tomorrow. up next, the woman who wrote the big profile of mayor de blasio's wife that the new york tabloids twisted into
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"harper's bazaar," laura brown. good morning, laura. good to have you in here for this conversation. we've been talking about this all morning, lisa. >> i know. >> your piece is really making waves, but not in the way i thought it would. >> it's incredible, right? >> if i'd have read it, i would have thought a lot of other things that came out about the mayor's wife would have been fascinating, ground breaking and potentially, you know, even controversial. >> right. >> but not this. >> right. >> but maybe it's because i felt the same way. let me read the -- if i can say that. am i going to get burned at the stake? >> i think you're not alone and that's the point. >> so you write in "new york" magazine, mccray had always imagined a life with children. but as with so many women, the reality of motherhood, the loss of independence, the relentlessness of the responsibility was difficult of i was 40 years old. i had a life. will we feel guilt forever more?
the truth is yes, but i could not spend every day with her. i didn't want to do that. i looked for all kind of reasons not to do it. i love her. i have thousands of photos of her. every one month birthday, two-month birthday but i've been working since i was 14. that part of me is me. it took a long time for me to get into i'm taking care of kids and what that means. did that strike you when she said it? >> when she said it, we were in -- around a conference table at city hall and there were probably four or five of us sitting around the table and we were all women and mothers. and she said it and we all sort of did a little hallelujah, like that is the truth. the truth is that when you're a new mother and you have a tiny baby, sometimes you can't wait to get away from the baby and that does not mean you don't love your children. you know, this is a perfect moment actually because she has spent her entire life saying the unpopular thing.
saying the thing that is true but nobody wants to hear. this just blew up. >> it did blow up. when i read the article, it's way down deep in the article, it's subtle. it's not like you guys blew it out of proportion. and yet there seems to be an attack here, response, laura, especially in the local papers that is ugly. >> it's so offensive. and when she's articulating something that so many women feel and has united a lot of women this morning. all my friends are e-mailing and they say sometimes i was tired. i have a job, i have a brain, i want to go and work, i want to function. it doesn't mean less. >> or have to. that's the other thing, you have to. >> she's not running a pr campaign, she's living her life. just being a human does not make you a bad mother. and her speaking honestly and what i loved about the piece is it's a long read. she doesn't actually say so much. she's very reserved. she's thoughtful. she's articulating something honest and she just is being -- is being herself. the fact that -- i mean it's
just -- it's surprising, but it's not surprising at all that this happened. >> but i think to some degree what we have is a very serious, thoughtful, articulate, interesting piece where a woman talks about all these conflicts and then you have a newspaper with a political agenda deciding to do it. it's hard to imagine -- it's hard to imagine that if this were john mccain's wife they would have taken this out of context, put it on the front page the way they did. they have a different agenda. >> they didn't start hating the de blasio's yesterday. it's part of a longer story. >> besides politics and not liking the de blasios politically, what else would drive such a vitriolic attack? >> mommy wars is such bait. you're a bad mom. it's such bait for everybody. >> with "the post" it's a constant agenda. it's a nearly daily agenda with the de blasios and the mayor specifically. but you said she is used to saying popular and unpopular things. in this case, she didn't say anything that is either popular or unpopular, she said something
that is just truly realistic. >> new york city that's what i mean. she speaks the truth. >> you get exhausted after you have a baby. >> right. >> and the guy goes to work or your partner leaves. >> right. >> for a few hours. >> and people are so emotional about it. even women i was reading the excerpt and she was saying what did she say? what did she say? what did she mean? >> i looked at the headline and thought my god, she abused her kids. >> people get sensitive immediately. it feels like as a mother every minute your public self has to be, oh, they're the joy of my life. >> and she goes on to describe the years that followed where she was caring for her two small children and her aging mother and aging mother-in-law and she speaks like a woman who is really shouldering a huge amount of family responsibility. and, you know, she also speaks like a woman who's entirely committed to that.
and so this is just sort of the real plight of women, of people. >> she's lived her life. this is what's so crazy. she's lived a huge, diverse, multi facetted life before she met bill, before she had children and now she has to come out of her door at 60 reading that she was a bad mother. >> i just wonder if there were other political wives this would be written about. i feel like there's something really obvious we're missing here in terms of what might have been driving this. but here's what maybe the article was supposed to be about in part and that is their partnership and her part in it. the mayor has called her the love of his life, his adviser. understand shirlane and you'll understand me. they have been described as virtual co-mayors. although their staff bristles at the term. the mayor is the mayor says a key aide, those who have worked closely with the couple describe mccray's role as really two
roles. optics guru and political conscience. but that description undersells her brief. staffers call her the mayor's o mophie. they are inseparable. shees his gut check, his sounding board and doesn't a mophie also recharge? >> right here. >> it's wonderful to have a partnership like that. and usually it takes someone with substance to be a partner like that. and yet -- >> and to be fully accredited as such. they are united. and look what she brings to his perspective and he brings to hers. this is such a fantastic piece, but somebody in lisa's piece identified at the end of the piece said what a great brand you have. it almost seemed like she had not thought about it. but look what she is capable of representing. >> she was in pr and a speechwriter for a long time so she's fully aware of how her family looks and what she does for her husband. but she's not comfortable, you
know, in the spotlight, in center stage. she's much more comfortable -- >> or if she's an optics guru, she knows she's not supposed to be in the spotlight necessarily, her husband is the mayor, so she's smart. >> so she's comfortable as the mophie, that's a good role for her. i think it's complicated because we haven't had a first lady in new york for a really, really long time and now we have one and she's entirely unlike any first lady in recent memory. and she's not even like the first ladies that we know. you know, hillary clinton or michelle obama. >> broke the mold. >> she's an entirely different kind of person. and this partnership, which is an authentic partnership, i think is confusing to a lot of people. >> i feel like they were trying to hit her where it hurts because this is where it hurts for women. >> 100%. >> whether you have kids or don't have kids, it hurts. i mean that one, i opened the article thinking i would read something horrific when i saw the headline and it was just the
most honest, real statement i've ever seen. so i just wonder again what's driving this. >> what do you figure, is it resentment or fear of her that drives the feelings about her closeness in terms of her counsel to the mayor, her husband? >> well, i think it's -- i think that until we wrote the story and maybe still there's this sort of confusion about what the nature of the relationship is. if he's saying she's his partner in everything and if he's putting her name at the top of the org chart in the campaign, what does that mean in terms of her role in city hall? that's a real question. so part of what the story does do is explore the nature of the partnership and how do you have a relationship where he's the mayor and she's his partner and she's not the mayor and what she's doing every day. >> but isn't there also a little element of fear in the sense that people perceive her rightly or wrongly has being more progressive of the mayor in
terms of her philosophy. >> i asked her about that. >> and if she has influence and pulling him that way, for people that don't agree, that's an element of fear. >> i asked her about that because that's some of the conventional wisdom that's out there, that she's the idealist, she's the true believer and he's the pragmatic politician and she keeps pulling him to the left. i said that's out there about you and she laughed. she said, you know, he's a pragmatist sometimes and i'm a pragmatist sometimes and he's an idealist sometimes and i'm an idealist sometimes and i would say it's a balancing act. and i did -- i did believe her. >> lisa miller, thank you so much. "new york" magazine's cover story on chirlane mccray is out now. laura brown, thank you as well. the latest issue of "harper's bazaar" is on newsstands now. >> who is that? >> kate winslet. >> oh, yeah, of course. >> looking lovely. >> as usual. coming up, it's the largest bank in the past 20 years to plead guilty to a u.s. criminal charge to the tune of $2.5
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inaccurate. my crocs are blue, i just want to throw that out there. we had a little fun, kudos to john oliver, they got me. that was fantastic. my friends and family are having endless amounts of fun with that. >> i just had a mental image with blue crocs. >> kudos to them. by the way, that was completely extemporaneous. let's talk about credit suisse, guys. pleading guilty to criminal charges of helping americans evade taxes. one of the first criminal prosecutions that we are going to be seeing. there's going to be about a $2.6 billion fine. this and the case a while back may pave the way, may pave the way for criminal prosecutions of american banks, according to "the new york times," so that is something to watch. bp losing an appeals court ruling to limit the amount of damages in that deepwater horizon disaster. they wanted to pay less on not go over their $7.6 billion
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welcome back, everybody, to moore, oklahoma. as we continue to update you one year later from the tornado-ravaged region of moore, how this town is rebuilding, how the people have healed, how
they're coming back stronger than ever. i'm honored to bring into our coverage the republican governor of oklahoma, mary fallin. thanks for making time for us. i know it's a busy day. a day of reflection, a time to remember those who were lost but also a day to celebrate the healing that's going on. oklahoma remains one of seven states that does not have requirements to have mandated storm shelters for their schools. we're standing in front of plaza towers. seven children perished in this school last year. what type of advances and safety procedures can you assure to parents that you're making in a state like oklahoma that this won't happen again, that we won't lose children? >> we've done a lot of things and certainly today is a day we don't want to forget. there were some several tragedy that struck our state, loss of life, loss of children, loss of property, certainly injuries throughout our state. so what we've been doing is analyzing our schools. we've done an assessment of all
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trying to keep everything on a local level, but when it comes to the federal level, we know there was support from the president, obviously support from fema and from the red cross. how has that been for the people of moore over the past 12 months as this community rebounds? >> fema has been great to work with in the recovery process itself. one of the things we have done in our state since 1999, we have utilized fema money that we have received over many different storms that we've had in our state and been able to put in 12,000 new individual storm shelters into homes through a matching grant program where people get about $2,000, match it with their own personal money, so we've put a lot of new storm shelters in our state. but this program that we've been talking about would allow our local communities to put shelters into the schools themselves. >> for you, you're running for re-election coming up in november. how i guess parental do you feel about fostering this rebuild, this regrowth for the community of moore? >> well, my husband and i have six children between us and i
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neuroscientist. >> you wouldn't say let's go get a male on the show. >> no. we need more males. god, no. all right. if it's way too early, what time is it? it's time for "morning joe." now it's time for "the daily rundown" with chuck todd. have a good day, everyone. welcome to your primary day pregame. the biggest day of voting before november. kentucky's clash leads the way as mitch mcconnell and allison grimes talk like the general election is under way. we'll talk to matt bevin. we'll also talk to jack kingston about his hopes for a runoff in georgia and a look at why some notable '90s names want to head back to the house after so many years away. and does dynasty equal destiny? allison grimes isn't the only legacy candidate on the ballot, but how much can name sake knowledge pave a path to victory. good morning from washington. it's tuesday, may 20th, 2014. the day we've been waiting for for some time this year.
out to african-americans with the the speech at the national urban league. we'll get the urban league's president thoughts. and the oldest leaving female vet will be ouagadougou. witnesses say five explosions tore through this u.n.-run school in northern gaza. >> the playground with shells. >> soaked in blood. >> they thought they were safe here. these days nowhere is safe in gaza. >> the hospital was overwhelmed. most of the casualties are children and women. >> you want to tell me that
netanyahu mailed the responsible thing? are deaths a responsible thing? >> thins incident sparked anger among palestinians. >> air algerie. >> because of a storm. >> the israeli airport -- >> u.s. airlines are starting to fly in tel aviv. >> this decision by the faa, was this a political decision? >> we have not just done this on politics but the facts and everything else. >> the european union is to have 33 new -- >> and unreasonable and counter productive. >> we've seen europe move with us. not always as fast as we'd like, but they get there. >> russia appears to move one step closer towards all-out war.
>> it's that putin may actually light a fire that he loses control of. a lot going on. good morning. it's friday, july 25th. it's supposed to be summer. sort of, like, slow? not at all. mark alperin is with us. chairman of deutsch incorporated, donny deutsch. don't want to see that. see, that doesn't work, donny. >> what did i do? >> everybody's eyes hurt. your jacket is skiing out. look, you're keying out. and in washington, let's quickly get off donny. pulitzer prize winning columnist of t"the washington post" and eugene robinson, looking handsome. hi, willie. >> good morning. and unspeakable news out of gaza and cover the latest plane crash, air algerie. weird question for all of you, start off, though.
donny, you have daughters? >> three daughters. >> willie, yeah. >> yes. >> good. so what would you do if you went to your doorstep in the morning and you found a porcelain doll there, just sitting there, that looked exactly like your daughter? >> i would get kind of creeped out. >> you'd get creeped out? would you do something? >> would i do something? yeah. i'm ignorant. >> it's a surprise doll. >> that looked just like your daughter. >> surprise doll? >> curly hair, just like your daughter. do you have a picture? yeah. these doll, all that look like little girls that lived at the houses showed up on doorsteps. would that freak you out? >> that would freak me out. >> gene? >> definitely freak me out. that's weird. that's, like, in chucky territory. right? >> so what -- is there a point to this? >> there's a point, ah -- ah -- ah, we'll get to that. it actually happened. that actually happened, all over a town, and we'll explain what
happened. okay. i just -- one other thing i want to get to, though, because i have you here, donny, we don't actually have to show him again, can just hear from him. take, maybe, your jacket off. >> this gm story, the recalls have really hurt gm. a report now. their profits. in the second quarter, one quarter, 85% down. that's a staggering fall. after taxes, the troubled car parts will have cost the company $1.5 billion, and gm just outlined six new recalls affecting roughly 800,000 vehicles. they keep coming. they've looked under the hood, so to speak. >> mika, the irony, their profits, their sales are up. >> what? >> their sales are not hurting. i think u.s. consumers have become so anesthetized to
corporate blunders and problems, okay, this was 2004. of course, profits are down -- >> 85%. >> the housekeeping they have to do, to put it nicely, but as far as people going to the showrooms, ironically, they're not stopping. >> yeah. >> front business section of the "times," talking how these big suvs, the sales are so high, as donny says, sales are actually up, but the profits are down, because they've taken such a chunk from all of these recalls. >> so i'm happy for the company, jobs that stay, but how is it possible? i would think that people would -- >> let me ask you a question right now. >> okay. >> if you want to go buy an escalade. by the way, my wife, my kids -- my kids' mom, this jacket is throwing me off. drives them in an escalade and for a reason i wouldn't think twice -- a speck model, that year, recalled, but i think consumer, savvy enough to understand that a car produced in 2013, it's a different model,
although it comes from the same corporation, does not necessarily come from the same place. it's stunning. by the way, toyota. >> right. >> horrible incident, with the false start. i don't know if we've become used to it, i don't know if that's the good or bad news there. >> even with the news, the company is surrive and thrive? >> they will. >> they will? wow. >> and a lot of sales are overseas, too, mika. they have a huge chunk of the china market, gm does. the big news. morning. it's daylight in mauli, we expect to get the first pictures of that air algerie plane that disappeared. 110 passengers, and six crew, killed in the crash over the conflict zone yesterday. right now the cause is unknown, but officials say the pilots did send a final message asking for a change in route because of heavy rain. france, which has been helping
mauli fight al qaeda-linked rebels is now helping with the crash investigation. french president hollande said one black box was found amongst the wreckage. five from canada, media reports four from the same family. a mother, a father and their two children. there were no americans onboard, but with a third air disaster in just a week, u.s. officials are rushing to reassure the public that flying is still safe. here's nbc's tom costello. >> reporter: it's been a rough six months for international aviation, all told, nearly 600 people have died. now another crash. air algerie flight 5017, an md-83 flown by swift air left africa with 116 onboard but crashed 50 minutes later in bad weather. like ukraine, northern maul mali
is a war zone. citing the risk of anti-aircraft fire to include shoulder-fired, man portable air defense systems. it's not clear what happened to flight 5017 but it's the latest in a string's incidents. a fatal passenger plane dplash taiwan wednesday with 48 dead. u.s. flights temporarily suspended into tel aviv. the shootdown of malaysia flight 17 over ukraine. malaysia flight 370 remains missing off the coast of australia presumably. >> the fact we've had a cluster of incidents does not materially affect the fact our skies and the skies around the world are safe. >> reporter: the faa lists 63 countries including cuba, yemen, north korea and pakistan, where u.s. airlines are prohibited from flying or subject to flight restrictions and warnings. the secretary of transportation -- >> as the situation on the ground changes, in some of these parts of the world, our guidance
perhaps will change. >> reporter: in fact, the chances are very good your flight will land safely. according to an m.i.t. statistician, your chances are being killed in a plane crash anywhere in the world are roughly 1 in 4 million, but in north america and europe, that drops to 1 in 25 million. that means you could go 60,000 years flying every day before a fatal crash. the last fatal accident involving a u.s. carrier was in buffalo when 50 people died. that was in 2009. >> in this industry, anybody's accident is everybody's accident, and when there's a mishap, when something goes wrong, the industry works together to figure out why to keep it from happening again. >> and that was tom costello reporting. there is new hope this morning there could be a short-term deal to end the crisis in the middle east after the deadliest day of violence between israel and hamas. we keep saying that every day, and every day it gets worse. secretary of state john kerry is waiting to hear back from both sides about a one-week
cease-fire proposal. the plan would let israeli defense forces remain in gaza as israel and hamas try to reach a long-term deal. the possible progress comes after an attack on a u.n. school in gaza. that left at least 15 civilians dead, including 3 children. about 200 more people are injured. palestinian officials say israeli tank shells are to blame. israel says hamas rockets could be responsible but did not rule out accidentally striking the facility. tragically, the school was serving as a shelter for those trying to escape the violence. >> these are people who have taken shelter in a u.n.-designated area. the warring parties, particularly the israeli, were given the precise gps coordinates. that he knew exactly what was going on there and in spite of that this has happened. we again say, enough civilians, enough women, enough children. they have suffered quite enough in this appalling conflict.
>> the ongoing bloodshed led to large protests in the west bank including clashes between israeli soldiers an thousands of palestinians at a military checkpoint. officials say one palestinian was killed. hundreds were hurt. hurly journalists say one of the biggest protests in recent memory. a total of at least 119 palestinians were killed yesterday. palestinian officials say that brings the overall death toll to more than 800. on the israeli side, 32 soldiers have died as well as 3 civilians. eugene robinson, it's almost as if one would be afraid to watch the news following this story. >> yes. yeah, yeah. it's -- it's, it just seems to get worse and worse and worse, and this outbreak of protests in the west bank, on the opposite side of israel, you know, at the end of this, and there will be an end of this. this is not just a regular israeli mowing the grass in
gaza. i mean, this turned into a pretty major war, but it will have an end, and at the end, you know, depressingly, i think we're just generating another generation of war. you know, another generation of martyrs and another generation of resentment and, and frankly hatred. it's just -- >> incredible. donny? >> depressing. >> hey, gene, you wrote a fascinating piece in the "post" as far as about israel's moral compass and that obviously you're pro-israel and israel has to defend itself, but there are lines. i guess the question is, and as we all watch that as human beings, as a parent, your heart breaks. you go, okay. there's 2,200 rockets launched into israel, and obviously israel strikes back. how do you draw a firm line, firm lines, as far as more the morality is? >> and the answer is, you can't draw firm lines, because everybody's firm line i think, would be a bit different. i think you have to look at --
you have to look at the situation. you have to try to look at proportionality and realize that, you know, a civilized nation that does not respond to every heinous act in kind. that's just not what we're about. that's not what israel is about, and -- and, you know, so what is the -- what's kind of the moral cost benefit of, of a given strike or a given operation? and you know, i think frankly this has gone too far. it's gone over to the negative side. i think it becomes counter productive. especially given that, yes, all of those rockets are being fired at israel, but you know what? they're all being deflected and shot down by the iron dome system, which is kind of changed the security situation in israel, at least in terms of the rockets. the tunnels are a different story. the tunnels are something new. and you know, we do have to learn more about that, because
apparently there are a lot more tunnels being dug than the israelis even knew about. they hadn't really been used yet, and so -- it's kind of unclear exactly what that's about, but the rockets are n not -- you know, the situation not what it was five years ago. >> let's go to gaza. nbc news foreign correspondent ayman mohaldene, there since the beginning of the conflict. what more can you tell us about the blast at the u.n. school that killed 16 people? what happened there? >> reporter: well i wish i could play for you guys the sound happening behind us now. a juxtaposition of what life has become like in gaza. hearing on one hand the sound of friday's prayers and juxtaposed pierced by the sound of artillery shelling every few seconds. been like that the past half hour. in terms of what happened at the u.n. school, there are two
narratives coming out of this. one from the united nations, one from the israeli military. the united nations says its gps kward nantz were given to the idf, they say they don't necessarily have any hard eford that this was a direct israeli shell. they say all the indications are that it was an israeli shelling, because it was one of several in the area coming from the direction of the israeli military. in addition to that, they're calling for a full investigation, but they're also citing something that's very important saying this is now the third school that has been hit by the israelis, saying the other two schools, they don't have any doubt it was the israeli shells and, in fact, found and inert israeli bomb in one of those schools. clearly marked it was from the israeli side. so for them, they have in their eyes, the evidence they need to believe it was israeli. they are calling for a full investigation. the israeli military is saying something completely different. they are starting to show they could have possibly made a mistake. in fact a spokesperson said, yes, we were firing mortars in
that area. it's possible one of our mortars landed in the school. but at the same time -- >> i think we just lost him. we'll get back to him in a moment. i'm wondering about john kerry -- we are talking about a line that has been crossed with pictures after pictures after pictures of children being killed and children being wounded and children losing their family members. gene's article, it's got a picture of this child at the hospital who's just obviously lost her family or friends. just screaming in agony. there is a difference here. is there not? what are kerry's options when you're dealing with people responsible in one way or another for scenes like this? >> well, the human tragedy, it's horrible, but not to get too mad about this, but i think gene represents a turn in the last 24 hours you see in the miya and opinion pieces and news coverage of people saying, it's gone too far and israelis are keen observers of american media and recognize world and u.s. opinion
matter a lot here but they're not done with military operation and i think what secretary kerry is up against in the private conversations between prime minister netanyahu and american officials are very tough, what they're up against, they want a cease-fire and the israelis are not done. they think their military operation is particularly in the tunnels needs to continue. the big question to me, how long? i don't think they'll agree to a cease-fire unless they're done and they're not done. >> and the other thick ing is, not sure hamas is done either. because hamas was in deep political trouble, right? its patron the government of egypt is gone now. there's a government there that doesn't like hamas. so, you know, and they're getting more popular. they'll get more support among palestinians for standing up to israel. >> the president, gave an exclusive interview on cnbc. firing back, political reez ens,
you heard it from some members of congress, the faa ban on u.s. flights into israel. >> the initial ban that was imposed by the faa was based on israel needing to show us that, in fact, it was safe for commercial airlines to fly in. by the way you the european governme governments in terms of regulating their allianz did the exact same thing. so i think what happened here was in light of some scary moments a couple of days ago, the faa took some prudent action. >> criticism came from senator ted cruz as probably the most vocal critic saying this was a way, essentially, to put some sanction on israel for what it's doing. >> i can officially say, croods is a bliterating idiot. to suggest in any way, shape or form this was done at economic sanctions against israel is a
level of idiotism i haven't seen from republicans. this may push the elections coming up back towards the democrats. >> a blistering criticism for the white house. still ahead on "morning joe," former secretary of homeland security michael chertoff with his thoughts on his questions over the global national security fight. there's michael cherchertoff -- bring the dolls back, our little mystery. >> is this a little doll story, i hope? >> i just want to know what you would do if dolls like that showed up on your front doorstep and they looked exactly like your daughter. plus -- >> something happened on the way to the 2008 election. because there's so much more to do. the franchise is under siege, both civil rights and economic rights and the aftermath of the great recession.
>> joining us from the site of this year's national urban league conference. and later from the talents of this 6-year-old don't impress you -- i'm not sure what -- oh, my god. that looks like it hurts. his quest for the guinness book of world records, in news you can't -- and the doll story. it's freaky. >> freaky. >> speaking of freaky, let's go to bill karins with a check on the forecast. >> that story is cute. the dolls we do not need to show. go back to like the "chucky," the "poll ttergeist"poltergeist. no trespassing and other signs to scare people away. >> we'll explain very soon. >> i know. it's creepy, though. good morning, everyone. east coast, the northeast, getting ready for our eighth, ninth, tenth, maybe great weekend in a row, but yesterday morning, just about this time, 8:30 a.m. in the morning, in virginia of all places, coastal virginia, a tornado happened. it was a random tornado way thunderstorm that went through.
and unfortunately, it killed two people. just over the chesapeake bay. this was the radar from it. it wasn't much. it wasn't even a big advertisement for severe weather. just goes to show you even at 8:30 in the morning, you have to take these thunderstorms seriously. a couple was killed trying to hide out from the thunderstorm in a tent. 20 other people were injured in that storm. what are we dealing with right no? in minneapolis, a lot of you up early this morning. these thunderstorms are rolling through town crossing through minneapolis and going into areas around saint paul nopt sevet se. give yourself a half hour and continue with your morning routine. storms later around chicago, indianapolis and over the weekend, if we have one stormy spot, indiana looks to be it. severe weather, damaging wind, possibility of flooding, maybe your afternoon plans are rain the out saturday and sunday right there are in the ohio valley. hot, too, throughout much of the inner mountain west.
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all right. it's time now to look at the morning papers and in that we will answer the creepy question. the "l.a. times," police tracked down the person who totally freaked out a bunch of parents in southern california by leaving on their doorstep porcelain dolls that resembled their young daughters. look at these dolls. you were right, donny, to be creeped out. it's okay. that was everybody's reaction.
almost all of the homeowners used the word creepy to describe the toys dropped off early in the morning before people woke up. the dolls had the same skin tone and hair color as the girls who live in the neighborhood in san clemente. >> at the home of one of the targeted families, thursday night's sheriff deputies joined parents of the girls who received mysterious porcelain dolls. 11 of the figurines left on the front doorsteps of each family and look eerily similar, parents say, to the girl whose live at each residence. >> the dolls resemble their daughters. >> reporter: the sheriff department collected all dolls as evidence in hopes of determining the manufacturer, retail origin and personal person behind the unwanted doorstep drop-offs in the gated community where parents are taking extra precaution. >> telling them to, you know, never go with strangers, watch out for each other. you know? don't answer the door. >> reporter: the girls are around 10 years old and several attend the same elementary
school. amp the group meeting, the parents and kids left as next door neighbors are worried. >> it's just hard to know what to make of it. >> reporter: the first porcelain doll reported was left at a home last week and the most recently placed figurine left in front of a home on tuesday. no crime has been committed, but not knowing if it's the prank or the handy work of a sexual preside president -- predator have police on the hunt. >> on vacation. i think it was t.j. >> sending us -- >> un10678ed mystery into the weekend? >> here's the thing. i feel so bad, because everyone was saying those words like, creepy and -- they had police. the motivation of the person who left the dolls has been discovered, and it's not so bad. turns out it was an elderly woman. >> ah. >> still creepy, though. >> no. she attends the local church. and she was clearing out her doll collection, and she wanted
to surprise her neighbors. >> right. right. are we sure, mika? it was -- >> yes. it's true. >> an elderly woman as in, tony perkins' mother in "psycho"? >> where's mike barnicle? >> he was here yesterday. couldn't have been him. >> what about one of the doll's heads turned around? >> no. so sad. so sweet and how other society is so depraved and -- awful. blaming it on this poor little lady. her doll collection. >> her doll collection was so big that she could match up one for one every kid in the neighborhood with a doll? >> it's sweet. better than cats. it's okay. >> it's right on par with cats. >> oh, my goodness. i feel so terrible. >> did you see how they put the woman's name up in the pack? whatever her name was, received creepy doll. >> ah -- >> a description. >> i want that as my lower
third. one day. >> let's move on. >> is this a slow news day? i don't think so. >> seems there's a lot going on. >> but the creepy doll is important, too. >> of all people i shouldn't be -- i just posed the question at the top, because it's friday. >> we might want to check the medicine of that lovely old lady. >> let's check my medicine. that's what you really want to do. all right. the "weekend update" -- willie -- >> the cdc is resuming transferring dangerous b biological material anthrax and bird flu, several lab remain closed. the cdc has an advisory committee to help improve its lab safety. plagiarism fallout for senator john walsh continues today. united states army war college informed the senator an investigative irpanel will meet in august to determine if he is guilty of copying the work of others and decide how to move forward. he's accused of heavily taking a
thesis he wrote from masters in 2007. walsh doesn't believe he plagiarized. the "seattle times" tumbled yesterday following news of a $126 million loss in the second quarter. despite revenue growth of over $19 billion. analysts believe ceo jeff bezos is overplaying his hand expanding amazon's product line too fast including the new firephone. more streaming services and unlimited e-books. >> i want to say something about this company. to makes 20 $20 billion a quart and you can't figure out -- think about stunning companies on the forefront somehow can't manage with $20 billion of revenue to be on the positive side of the ledger. it's stunning. >> will they? >> some day -- they might. >> wow. >> some day they might. >> and one of the five wealthiest companies in the
world. market cap wise or something. the cincinnati inquirer. vice president joe biden spoke to national league dell guilt at the 104th conference. the message throughout the address, an optimistic one. biden believes the united states is currently better positioned than any country in the world when it comes to future job creation, and earning a living wage. the veep closed his speech praising the urban legal consistent history and dedication to working towards economic quality. equality. >> folks, i don't believe the american people are divided. i think it's the american political system that's broken and dividing them. [ applause ] so, folks -- do what you've always done since your founding. expose the american people of the realities of the circumstances we're concerned about, and they will be with us like i am with you. god bless you all. >> and speaking of the national urban league, joining us now,
that group the president. mark morale, in cincinnati, the site of the group's 104th anniversary conference. great to have you on the show this morning, mark. >> hey, good morning, mika. good morning. >> are you as optimistic agency the vice president, especially about the way forward in terms of wages and jobs? >> i'm optimistic, because we're eternally optimistic, but we face a divided and broken political system, and we face a seeming inability to act on things like minimum wage, but i would say that last week, earlier this week, the new workforce act, which was signed by the president. >> uh-huh. >> and passed with overwhelming majorities in both houses of congress is a rare example of bipartisanship, which goes to improving anden strengthening our ability to prepare and train the workers of today for the jobs of tomorrow. so we should underscore that notwithstanding difficult and
challenging times, there was a victory earlier this week. >> really. >> mark, it's willie. good to see you. congratulations on another successful conference. >> good morning. >> so much talk at the national and municipal level of income inequality. what are some of the best solutions you've seen coming out of your conference, and beyond, about attacking that specific problem? >> you know, we had eight mayors who participated here in cincinnati, and a panel of seven yesterday. mayors from places like memphis and jacksonville. gary, indiana. and i think what i would point to, willie, is the local initiative, programs which are working in specific neighborhoods to increase job training, to increase incentives so that small businesses can grow. i think that what we see now is a frustration with some inaction in washington, and many local
elected officials, local community leaders, local business leaders, taking matters into their own hands. that's good. but i think passing a minimum wage increase would be one of the most important votes of confidence. it won't solve the problem of the great income divide, but what it will do is demonstrate that washington is listening, and they heard the challenges that people at the local community level face. >> mark, eugene robinson is in washington. he's got a question for you. gene? >> mark -- >> gene? >> unemployment is down to 6.1% or something like that. among african-americans much higher and coming down much more slowly. i wanted to know, do you have specific ideas about what would bring that down further and faster? and, second, are you hearing any ideas not just from democrats but also from republicans these days? >> let me add to what you said,
gene. we have identified ten cities, ten cities, where the african-american unemployment vat in excess of 20%. this is a national crisis. when you've got high unemployment in cities like chicago, and that's just one example where it's over 20%. and if you juxtapose that to the fact that small business lending, to african-american businesses, is really down across both, from the sba to many of the banks, there are many solutions out there. many steps that we need to take. you've got to fix schools and education. that's long term. you've got to get the workforce training system better calibrated so that we're preparing people for the many vacancy and job openings in advanced manufacturing, in technology. the new jobs in the health care sector. we've got to calibrate the preparation system so that we're
preparing people for the jobs of tomorrow, not the jobs of yesterday. >> mark halhalperin? >> you heard from the chairman of the republican party yesterday, hearing from rand paul today. how open is your membership to hearing from republicans? cast sometimes as a bit of a stun, but are they open to the ideas? open to the notion of, listening to republican ideas as opposed to democratic ideas? >> you know, we are deliberately working to send a very strong message with the lineup of speakers we have here, from vice president biden to senator paul, to reince priebus, to debbie washerman schultz. the first step we have to take is a step of having dialogue. i thinking rance priebus and rand paul creates an opportunity for many of our delegates to hear from rance priebus and rand
paul for the first time, because what we're trying to do is start with this dialogue, and i think there's a lot of curiosity, particularly since rand paul has taken some interesting positions on things like criminal justice reform. so i believe people are open. the test, mark, is going to be whether this is the beginning and not, if you will, a drive-by set of events. we are open to the dialogue, and we want to send a message that even if we find that there are differences of approach and differences of opinion, we've got to work to try to find common ground, because these intractable problems are not going to go away easily. >> mark morale, always great to see you. thank you very much for being on this morning. take care. >> thank you. good morning. have a great friday. >> thank you. need that. coming up, what are you doing, donny? >> told me to take the jacket off. >> not on the air. >> i want to warn young viewers at home i'm only doing it because it's hard on the camera.
nothing to do with my workout regimen. >> oh, my god. how are you so -- >> a bit over today. >> yeah. >> kickboxing? what are you doing, donny? >> they literally said high to, it was on the screen. i'm going to be casual on the rest of the show. phil griffin gets upset when i wear t-shirts. a reason. to save our viewers' eyes. >> are you holding your stomach in now? i can tell you are. just stop. just stop, donny. it's awful. >> does anyone have a vet by the way? these puppies are sick. i learned that from my friend six years ago. >> take it off him. take it off. the nfl comes down on ravens running back ray rice. what's wrong with his, willie? seriously, he's lost -- is this a crisis? this is a crisis. >> tcheky green, right here. i'm moving on now to serious news. this is over the ray rice story, the domestic violence incident with his then fiancee as the team stands by his side.
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i just want to first off awe apologize to steve bisciotti, and coach harbaugh, you know, and also i want to apologize to my fans, my, to the kids, to everyone who was affected, you know, by this situation that me and my wife are in. i won't call myself a failure. failure is not getting knocked down, it's not getting up. >> that was ray rice back in may. not a great choice of words, perhaps. a running back for the ravens. >> i don't think so. >> a press conference for the ravens. nfl handed down a ruling that left some critics scratching their heads. the ravens star was suspended two games by commissioner roger goodell for violating the league's personal conduct policy. raempted in the off season you know for an incident at an atlantic city hotel. tmz released this footage showing rice dragging his apparently aun conscious fiancee
out of an elevator following an alleged altercation. rice la not served jailtime and the two are now married. yesterday baltimore head coach john harbaugh reacted to rice's suspension. >> it's not. it's not a big deal. it's just part of the process. we always said from the beginning that the circumstances would determine the consequences. there are consequences when you make a mistake like that. i stand behind ray. he's a heck of a guy. he's done everything right since. he make as mistake. all right? he's going to have to pay a consequence. i think that's good for kids to understand it, that it works that way. that's how it works. that's how it should be. >> rice will be fined more than $500,000. losing a couple of game checks but a lot of people saying the fine and suspension don't go far enough as the "new york times" points out under the league collective bargaining agreement, players who test positive for substance abuse or performance-enhancing drugs receive a mandatory four-game suspicion. that includes marijuana use. that's twice what it cost ray
rice. the suspension increases to eight games for are the second offense on the drug violation. some are comparing rice's punishment to that handed down to vikings special teams coordinator suspended three weeks for making a homophobic remark. >> something's got to give to use the movie phrase, to have a less severe penalty than a guy smoking some weed, something's upside-down there. >> very complicated circumstances, i'm sure. sitting there in that, you know -- i don't really want to know. but when you have video that backs up that he knocked a woman out? am i missing something here? >> by the way, that's a horrific video. you don't know whether they had an altercation, whether she was drunk. whatever it is, is merited more than that. >> much more. >> the nfl has to get behind that. violence against women. so many battering and abuse against women by nfl players and there is no gray area there.
>> there's another player named robert mathis, suspended this season for the first four games plays for the colts for taking what he said was a fertility drug to help his wife get pregnant. he didn't know it was banned. on the ban list. >> okay. >> missing four games for that and ray rice gets two games. >> not sure how they did the math and how it will come off well. not just for ray rice, whoever this player is, it's for everybody to understand what is right and what is wrong. that was -- way over the line. >> ugly scene. >> not enough. up next, must-read opinion pages. we'll be right back with "morning joe."
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piece in the "washington post" is really great. losing the high ground. it's on the israeli government's motivations in gaza. deserve to be taken seriously, but they do not justify the onslaught that is now in its third week. for israeli military action to be justifiable, it must be pror portion it. what we're witnessing is not. how many civilian casualties are needed to guarantee another generation of hatred and war? the scale, of death and destruction, appears to be aimed at not just, at lessening the actual threat from hamas but also at punishing gazans for elevating hamas to power in the first place. n netanyahu seemed determined to teach them a lesson. the people of gaza were already we'ry of hamas. netanyahu to have offered them economic and peace. instead he gives them no choice, and, earlier this week, we heard netanyahu talking to brian williams about a man's got to do
what a man's got to do. i think there is growing concern about his use of words and actions. >> yeah, gene. he said that to brian talking about what would you do, united states, if these rockets were being lobbed at you? a man's got to do what a man's got to do, to use his words. a terrible cycle. israel says, if hamas continues to lob rockets at us we have to defend, respond and defend ourselves. hamas says if you're going to continue to kill our children at u.n. schools we're going to fight back. how do you break it? >> exactly right, willie. there's a point, i think, there's a line, beyond which this whole thing becomes counterproductive for israeli security in the long run, because what you're -- the people of gaza really were fed up with hamas. i mean, you know, they had -- elevated them in power. hamas behaved in a more sort of dictatorial way than a lot of people would like, and they
weren't getting anywhere, and so if netanyahu -- sure if there was military action, some military action that was necessary, fine, but if he were also offering the people of gaza an alternative, look, it doesn't have to be this way. there are -- other directions we can go in to have, you know, a more productive relationship for both sides. this might have been a moment when the people would have responded. but now, i think, wee past th wt and gaining legitimacy. demonstrations with hamas yesterday and today and those are growing. in a sense, this is great for hamas in a weird way. >> yes. we're going to talk to david gregory about this at the top of the hour. a lot of politics to talk about as well. coming up, a 6-year-old
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netanyahu made the responsible thing? is death a responsible thing? >> this incident sparked anger among palestinians. [ chanting ] >> yet another commercial airline disaster. >> air algerie left south africa with 116 people onboard. >> the pilots of the plane was asked to change route because of the storm. >> american security measures have only two settings. indiffer and total panic. the israeli airport is -- >> the u.s. airlines are starting to fly into tel aviv. >> this decision by it's faa, was this a political decision? >> we have not made decisions based on not just politics we have to just look at the facts. >> the sanctions send the wrong message. >> european union is to have 33 new companies to its sanctions list. >> we've seen europe move with us, not as fast as we'd like, but they get there. >> russia it moving one step closer towards all-out war. >> putin may actually light a
fire that he loses control of. all right. welcome back to "morning joe." donny deutsch, mark halperin, eugene robinson still with us and the moderator of "meet the press," david gregory. good to have you all onboard at this hour. start with the middle east. hope there could be a short-term deal to end the crisis in the middle east amp the deadliest day of violence yet between israel and hamas. secretary of state john kerry is waiting to hear back from both sides about a one-week cease-fire proposal allowing israeli defense forces to remain in gaza and israel and hamas try to reach a lng-term deal, this after an attack on a u.n. school in gaza that left at least 15 civilians dead including 3 children. about 200 more people injured. palestinian officials say israeli tank shells are to blame. israel says hamas rockets could be responsible but did not rule out accidentally striking the
facility. tragically, the school was serving as a shelter for those trying to escape the violence. >> reporter: these are people who have taken shelter in a u.n.-designated area. the warring parties particularly the israelis were given the precise gps coordinates. they new exactly what was going on there, and in spite of that, this has happened. we, again, say, enough civilians. enough women. enough children. they have suffered quite enough in this appalling conflict. >> one way of putting it for sure. the ongoing bloodshed led to large protests in the west bank including clashes between israeli soldiers and thousands of palestinians at a military checkpoint. one palestinian was killed hundreds hurt. israeli journalists saying it was one of the biggest protests in recent memory. a total of at least 119 palestinians were killed yesterday. palestinian officials say that brings the overall death toll to more than 800. on the israeli side, 32 soldiers
have died as well as 3 civilians. all right. meanwhile in an exclusive interview on cnbc, president obama fired back against allegations that there were political reasons behind the faa's ban on u.s. flights into israel. >> the initial ban that wa imposed by the faa was based on israel needing to show us that, in fact, it was safe for commercial airlines to fly in. by the way, the european governme governments in terms of regulating their airlines did the exact same thing. so i think what happened here was in light of some scary moments a couple of days ago, the faa took some prudent action. >> all right. here is what republican senator ted cruz of texas had said about the ban earlier this week. >> yesterday we saw the faa make an unprecedented decision to ban all air travel to the nation of
israel, and i've asked today the very simple question, did president obama just unilaterally launch economic boy caug boycotts? driven by the white house, by the state department? if it was based on airline safety as they said, why did they single out israel? why not ban travel to pakistan, yemen or ukraine where a commercial airliner was just shot down? instead they targeted israel. >> i want to ask david a question. david, you know, clearly what the senator was saying is ludicrous. howling at the moon. no matter which side of the aisle you're on. doesn't this rit rick start to backfire getting towards november you? listen and tilting your head, is he actually saying this? if i'm reince priebus running the party, i want to put a muzzle on theirs character. >> look, there's obviously a lot of support in our political system on both sides of the
aisle for israel and so you know, you can have actually bipartisan views against, you know, this faa decision, which has now been dialed back, separate from the allegations he's making in that particular clip. but, look, you know, this become as sayy issue. the president's defending it. i don't think it goes far beyond where we are today. doesn't become a political issue. obviously, the administration is in a tough position now of being very supportive of israel and now in a position where it wants to end this war, but also help israel think about what is an actual prudent end game here. what do you get off all this by the end? especially if hamas is still in power and maybe even strengthened. >> mark halperin, this role is important, but as eugene robinson pointed out in his piece it has to be in perspectives, does it not, to reality? >> as i said before, they want to complete the military mission and are very savvy how to play
for time. i don't think there's any doubt that both sides would like to limit the loss of life, but the israelis want to complete the mission, and you know, the world's pretty folk -- the focus is pretty spread out on europe, focused on russia as well, and i think the united states is unable to exercise, push israel and true for most of the obama administration. this administration is unable to influence israel i think beyond where prime minister netanyahu wants to go. >> mark to your point, the one thing that has been israel's -- we will do whatever it takes to protect ourselves. the iron dome is one thing. but these tunnels what this is all about. until they can close the tunnels they do not feel safer and that's the end game here. >> for sure. >> gene, take it to david. wondering what you think the challenges are to have a positive impact alongside israel? >> yeah. my question for david is, do we
have -- does the united states really have leverage at this point on either side? is there an effective way, really, even for us to try? we don't talk directly to hamas, but egypt, which was the intermediary before between the u.s. and the palestinian side in most of these situations doesn't -- doesn't get along with this egyptian government doesn't get along with hamas. therefore, are we really able to have much influence either way? >> well, i don't think so, and i think that's a key point, that hamas is a lot more isolated. whatever gains hamas thinks its made in the course of the last couple of weeks, it is still more isolated. even iran doesn't, has backed away a bit from hamas, especially with everything that's happening in the region. i think that's one of the reasons you've seen so much support for -- from the administration for israel, and what it's doing. and for the fact that hamas has started this, with firing
rockets and discriminately and israel has an ability to intercept those to prevent loss of life. you have a peace process that's unravelled. i think they've staked out ground. we understand what you're doing. especially trying to degrade what donny was talking about. tunnels, the capacity to strike israel. israel tends to be more pragmatic about this, to neutralize threats that are immediately around it, and i think the administration has given them a fair amount of room now in incidents like yesterday, force the administration to clamp down a little and say, look, you've got -- we've got to draw this to a close, and with whatever leverage they have, which i think is mostly just, you know, the power of talking to them very loudly in their ear. >> david, talk about the power of that leverage, specifically. because we know that the u.s., there is no better friend to israel than the u.s. we give in aid billions of dollars annually to israel. so if we don't have any type of proper channels of communication
to discuss diplomacy and to ask -- excuse me -- israel to maybe calm down some of the encouragement going on in gaza what leverage do we have at all? >> this is presupposes america agrees with what israel is doing, and it doesn't. >> you don't think the u.s. disagrees with killing swirls in gaza? >> of course. everybody disagrees with killing civilians in gaza. i don't believe the u.s. feels that's what israel's intent is. i don't believe people believe that, except for enemies in the united states and the region believes when there is civilian casualties in afghanistan or pakistan from drone strikes that that's the u.s. intention. the goal here, neutralize hamas, deal with tunnels and rocket fire is something the administration clearly supported israel doing. you've ladder it from the president and secretary of state and others, but you've obviously seen a level of frustration with how extensive the military
operation is, that leads to these kinds of incidents. >> right. >> that absolutely want them to then say, look, we've got to limit our scope. we may be supportive of what you're trying to do, but this has now gotten out of hand. moving on. former secretary of state and possible 2016 presidential candidate hillary clinton is admitting she may have work to do when it comes to media relations. clinton has frequently clashed with the press including during her 2008 presidential campaign. and her recent book tour. former "new york times" executive editor jill abramson believes the former first lady expected the press, especially female journalists to be loyal to her. hillary clinton is responding saying, "i think maybe one of the points jill was making is that i do sometimes expect perhaps more than i should. and i'll have to work on my expectations, but i had an excellent relationship with the state department press that followed me for four years and enjoyed working with them, and whatever i do in the future i
look forward to having the same kind of opportunities." mark halperin, your thoughts? >> i don't ever like to overstate the media's role, but a pretty big role in the president's process. i think she's talking about the most important issue determining whether she'll are president right now. she'll raise the money, have policy positions. she needs to find way to change the narrative how she's being covered. right now she's destined to get horrible coverage if she runs for president. >> how did that happen, david gregory? >> you know, i just think this goes back a long time. one of the down sides to being in the public eye as a political figure for so long is that there's just a lot of baggage associated with that, that goes back now 20-plus years. and relationships and views about the press and situations you've been in. i think that's very difficult to get out from under. there's always been, go back to her presidential runs what has surrounded her is the idea that
she's this formidable and perhaps unstoppable force. and i think the media will always look to kind of pick that apart, especially if there's vulnerability, and if you don't live up to expectations. that's part of what happened in 2008, and i think if you don't make -- if there's open disdain for a lot of the media culture, and members of the media, you're not able to kind of forge new relationships. the only way that can change is there's a real effort to sort of create new relationships, and i think there, i think a kind of a deft comment. almost like, i'm sorry i care so much. i'm sorry my expectations are so high. you know? that -- >> there's a need for a reset which she talked about as well. the reset with russia. verdicts are coming in for her book tour, we've talked about as part of this conversation. critics say the book is far from noteworthy except for some with the media. others say, no impact on voters. sales numbers show also a
different kind of sign. a troubling sign. possible 2016 dr. ben carson's book sold 60% more copies than clinton's last week. hard choices has sold about 192,000 copies so far compared to 183,000 for parson's one nation, about 1 million copies, donny, of clinton's book was shipped to bookstores. still really good steales. >> what i would hope, if i was the clintons. it wasn't a personal memoir, about her time at the state department and academic reading. pure marketing point of view, to sit down seems work. if the book was about her marriage to bill clinton, what she's gone to, you would have had 2 million copies. kind of readers' appetites kind of thing. the troubling thing, and what was laid out articulately, her problem is simple fatigue. it's just, you see her picture,
and you want to turn the page? is it 22 years and beyond the fact of her very, very, very contentious relationship with the media, it's just, are americans just tired of looking at her. i don't mean from a physical point of view, and i think that's the big issue. if that is the issue people are not picking up the book, that's going to be difficult. couple that with the media laying in wait because she is so formidable and laying in wait, because there is no story if she just continues this march, on top of consumer's fatigue, the right republican candidate can beat her. >> and the reality in washington -- sorry, mark -- where people are really disappointed with washington and the big question in there minds when voting will be, who can cut through this? >> she's from arkansas. not washington. >> i know. true. >> the book is -- the book's relative lack of sales is a caution for anyone who wants her to be president. a book tour is like a presidential campaign. you package the product and try to get people excited about it.
as donny suggests, the book tour and the book's failure to sell as many copies as a publisher suggests she needs a different repackaging. still the front-runner for the white house, but you've got to be about the future and about being forward-looking and she is not right now. >> that traditional plan? >> that traditional-style plan of putting out a book, having a foundation, getting out there. is hillary clinton that type of candidate that needs ththat -- >> opposite. >> i'm surprised it didn't. >> she needs her bill clinton-arsenio sax -- >> yes. she needs to do that. >> by the way, do the, a great thing with jimmy fallon. >> you're done. >> shallow, david? david -- >> i just wondered what mark thought about this? in a strange sort of way i feel the democratic party is -- is much more like the republican party in the sense that, a sense
that, women, this is now her turn. and so that fights against the idea that she really represents the future. and it comes at a time when there's -- all of the action, all of that energy i think in the democratic party at the grass roots level is about disappointment with president obama. what was left unsaid. what was left undone. and there's no as much excitement about hillary clinton, because it's altogether uncertain where she distance s herself from president obama. sorry? >> is there someone else, david, who does that? fills that void of excitement they feel was left undone by oba obama? >> elizabeth warren in certain sectors, i don't know if it's big enough to challenge the institution right now of hillary clinton but, again, that's part of the problem, which is, where's the energy? where is the excitement? especially when well awe look at
this knowing hillary clinton is very much in control of a process. we think we know the end point of her returning, but it's kind of are very slow rollout. >> yeah. okay. all right. david gregory, thank you. what's coming up on "meet the press" sunday? >> more on the issue in the war on gaza, also, paul ryan on 2016 and his view of the future of the republican party, and dealing with issues of the economy and entitlements. >> david gregory, thank you. still ahead on "morning joe," been to some of the most remote locations on the planet. and now he's taking celebrities along for the ride. a look at a new show. plus, crisis on the border. exclusive look at the situation in the south and what is washington doing about it? up next, there's a crisis of confidence in the skies as international flights are under more scrutiny than ever. we'll explore how safe it is to fly, after a week of flight tragedies. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back.
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the crash of an air algerie plane that mali, the latest in a series of airline tragedies this year creating growing concerns how safe it is to fly. nbc's tom costello reports. >> reporter: it's been a rough six months for international aviation, alltoured, nearly 600 people have died. now, another crash. air algerie flight 5017, an md-83 flown by swift air left africa with 116 people onboard but crashed 50 minutes later in bad weather. like ukraine, northern mallsy a war zone. in june the faa warned pilots to avoid plying below 24,000 feet over mali citing a risk of anti-aircraft fire to include shoulder fired, man portable air defense systems. it's not clear what happened to flight 5017 but it's the latest in a string of incidents. a fatal passenger plane crash in
taiwan wednesday with 48 dead. u.s. flights stemp rarery suspended into tel aviv. shootdown's malaysia flight over ukraine, and 37 a 0 remains misg presumably off the coast of australia. >> the fact a cluster of incidents does not materially affect the fact that our skies and the skies around the world are safe. >> reporter: the faa lists 63 countries including cuba, yemen, north korea and pakistan, where u.s. airlines are prohibited from flying or subject to flight restrictions and warnings. the secretary of transportation -- >> as the situation on the ground changes in some of these parts of the world, our guidance perhaps will change. >> reporter: in fact, the chances are very good your flight will land safely. according to an m.i.t. statistician, your chances of being killed in a plane crash anywhere in the world are roughly 1 in 4 million. but in north america and europe, that drops to 1 in 25 million.
that means you could go 60,000 years flying every day before a fatal crash. the last fatal accident involving a u.s. carrier was in buffalo when 50 people died. that was in 2009. >> in this industry, anybody's accident is everybody's accident, and when there's a ms. happ, something goes wrong, the industry works together to keep it from happening again. and joining us, michael goldfire, thanks for being with us this morning. >> good morning. >> first of all, the restricteded skies over war zones, there are restrictions out there. there are rules. do pilots always follow them? >> well, mika, start back with tom costello's report how long it would take, 60,000 years flying every day, to be involved in a fatal accident. so it certainly doesn't feel safe with everything happening over the last several weeks and it's because of that, that some changes have to be made in restricted airspace. they're probably going to make decisions to redraw those maps
so over the ukraine or other hot spots, that restriction will go to a higher altitude or be avoided, were ut it was that crisis of confidence you mentioned that drove the faa to do the responsible, not the political, thing at tel aviv. in fact, the israelis should be thankful the faa came in. think about it for a moment. had delta, united, the other carriers going in there had to have made that decisions themselves whether or not it was safe to fly, they don't have that kind of information. the flight ops doesn't get that, pilots don't get that. it ought not be a decision by individual airplanes. the governments need to step in and take over that. faa went in, did a quick re-assessme re-assessment, convinced it was safe given the rockets and resumed flight. and monitoring it on an ongoing basis. >> talk about that monitoring, do you recommend the use of that going forward? the example we just saw this week with what the faa did with the flights into israel? obviously, there was a lot of reaction to that, but do you feel that was the right choice
and we should see that more in the future? >> absolutely the right choice. the faa gets criticized for being slow on a lot of thing, not moving quickly enough to put satellite in the skies, on safety, a continual vigilance. other times when navigational ads have gone down. there is their job. most of the public welcomed that as opposes to a knee-jerk political reaction to make an advantage in the situation in israel an gaza. >> mark halperin? >> let me ask you about the case in ukraine, and whether there are things that should have happened differently in terms of, from beginning to end, in terms of the flight and then in terms of the aftermath of the flight? that's an investigative issue, but i'd like to hear what you think. did something go wrong? how can we live in a world where a plane like that goes down and the international community has no ability to come in, collect the remains and do an investigation? >> two things on that. malaysia air should have never
been flying in that airspace. not a decision of malaysia air. faa restricted some of the airspace, not the one where the accident occurred. number one, no one should fly through that, for all carriers, no competitive edge for any one individual airline. first point, redraw that map and find our routes. will it cost more fuel or take a little longer to get to destinations? maybe. that's a tradeoff i think the flying public would make. second point is important. because we do not have the capability internationally to do search and recovery in war zones, in troubled areas. we don't have an investigation going on in ukraine. it's a disaster of second order. so there's no normal -- there's no normal in this. it's a new normal, and i think the international community has to work together. they've been very slow in doing that, to change the way they handle that search, recovery and rescue. >> michael goldfarb, thank you for your insights this morning. up next, the crown joel of
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looking for people. still come ago cross but the vine is diminished. hearing from officials the average number of unaccompany the kids coming across the rio grande, this whole sector, 300 mimes of winding river, down to about 120 kids per day. still a lot, but down from the 300 range a month ago. the total number of people coming across this river area in the rio grande valley is down to about 900 a day now on average. down from about 1,500 a few weeks ago. many reasons are being given for this. it may be the white house messaging, the start of deportations. the fact that the beast train bringing people up broke down for a while. a lot of people were told by smugglers they had to be here by june 30th. that time has passed. it's the summer months. a lot of things could be a factor. in fact, last night we can out here on an embed with game
wardens and a firefight, a gun battle, sounded like on the mexican side of the river, may have involved the military seemed to have tapped down the smuggling in that area. nothing happened there last night, but this morning, activity here in the area of this public park. it ebbs and flows but in the main, numbers are down right now, and we saw the one thing that it up, and we saw this from the chopper ride we took yesterday, and from talking to state officials, is, they believe that drug trafficking and other criminal smuggling across the river is definitely steady, if not rising, and they're saying that the drug traffickers are now taking advantage of the human trafficking to hide their loads. works like this. send a group of people down the river here and run their load -- drawing all the attention, because there are kids there, and then run the drug loads a few miles up river this way. coordinated. the state officials are worried about that, mika. >> all right. nbc's mark potter. thank you for that. here with is now from capitol hill, democratic
congressman luis gutierrez of illinois. congressman, good to have you on the show. >> thank you so much. >> very, very complicated crisis. >> sure. >> let's try and pick apart what's possible here. i know the white house is looking at a plan, a part of it might involve's pra perhaps giv these children refugee status, screening them to see if that applies. what do you make of that or what is actually possible given the gridlock in washington as well? >> first, mika, we had a really good meeting yesterday with the presidents of honduras and guatemala. many public awareness campaigns now. they are prosecuting the human smugglers and they're going and tightening up their own laws. that's a good thing, because we need to put out information that the children should not come to america through this pathway. there is really very little in our law, as you suggest, unless we declare them refugees, and i
don't see that happening. doesn't mean i don't think it should happen. it's just i don't see that happening. and so first thing is protect the children and they're beginning to do that in their home countries so adults start taking responsibility in the home countries as we take our responsibility here. i think, look, let's follow the laws. the laws are in place for a good reason. we still know many of these little girls have been violated and been abused and they need our care and attention now. as we deal with the broader humanitarian crisis on the border. so let's do that, and i think we're going to stem the flow. your reporter just said it's about 1,000 a day. mika, that's about what it is. it's about between 300 and 400,000 a year that cross the border undocumented into the united states. that's down from a high of 1.6 million during george bush's administration. so there are fewer coming but more needs to be done. >> congressman, mark halperin here, we all admire and really
praise you, not just in the current crisis but your long-returning concern about the humanitarian aspects of this. tell people the dirty little secret with the democratic -- would not like the president to take the executive action you've been urging them to do because they think it will hurt the party in the mid-terms? >> there are in the party, more in the senate than anywhere else concerned about their own political viability, either of the party or their own candidacies in the democratic party. and that's fundamentally wrong. when you use -- when public policy is defined through electoral goals and the goals of a party, then human rights and civil rights always suffer. we must put the rights of the people ahead of benefits that we might construe come to our party. let me just say in about an hour, i'm going over to the white house. i'll be meeting with jeh johnson and the chief legal counsel to
the president of the united states. we're going to sit down and we're going to negotiate additional terms and avenues the president can use and prosecutorial discretion and i think we can get 3 million, 4 million, maybe 5 million names. >> who said to you privately, look, if the president does this it could inflame the party in the primaries? who are saying that? >> no one tells me that privately because they know better. they just know better. seriously, it's not something you want to have a conversation with me about, because just as i've been clear with you this morning, i would be very -- i would be clear and even more stern with them if they approached, bust i have heard it. it's not something i haven't heard. it's always a political consideration. let me say this, the democrats in the house are very clear. the hispanic congressional caucus is very clear. nancy pelosi, steny hoyer and i are going with republican colleagues down to the boarder
next week. we're clear. do not change the law and let the president use his prosecutorial discretion to set aside. i believe the president of the united states has the authority under the law and should, because for the good of the nation, stop deporting low priorities, not criminal, undocumented in this country who have american citizen children. between 2010 and 2012, deported parents, hurns of children left without r without parents? i think the president should take action and i believe the american public understand if the congress doesn't act, the president should act to put children and families first to suffer these devastating effects. >> this is thomas roberts. i wanted to ask you about that meeting with the central american leaders, on the president's schedule to meet with him today.
did you talk about what we can do as a country to help them to engage their own people, to tamp down on drug trafficking? to try to create better lives for their own people? obviously, these people are trying to come here to seek out the american dream. risking their lives to can do that. kids put through horrendous conditions, some facing sexual assault an on the way to get here. what can we do to help those suffering in central america? >> have a program that allows central america to thrive and that we invest in those countries. they are -- look, i think your question is excellent, because everything we do to stem the tide of children coming and people coming to our borders, we can do that. but in the end, severe violence and severe poverty are going to bring people to america to seek refuge here, and the way you stop that by happening is creating conditions there. so we did talk about how we train people for jobs.
how we deal with the devastating effect that's had on the coffee industry and agriculture in guatemala. how it is we strengthen civil society and the rule of law and stop the impunity with which not only government officials but the crime element in general deal with there. yes, we did talk about that but also talked about the responsibility. the first thing is, protectal children, have them not come. they should not be coming to america. >> okay. >> our laws are not here to address their needs. >> congressman luis gutierrez, thank you very, very much. good weekend. still heal, survivalist bear grylls embarks on what may be his most daring adventure, taking a group of celebs into the wild. he'll join us, next.
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bear grylls. the host of the show joins us now. >> good to be here, guys. >> this sounds like so much fun. that was zac efron. my daughters know who he is. ben stiller, channing tatum, deion sanders, tamron hall. who was the biggest wimp? >> they all had their moments of real terror. i remember even with tamron we were repelling off this canyon wall and i could feel her body physically shaking. but we all have moments like that in the wild. what i love about this show is you see these hollywood stars overcome that. at the end of it, that real sense of pride, big smiles. tamron, she had a big smile the whole time. >> what did ben stiller do? >> i took ben to scotland. there was like horizontal wind and rain and it's hard to be cheerful up to two days when everything was soaking wet. >> what was some of the drop you did. >> we got dropped off high in
the mountains, extracted down to the coast, sleeping in a cave, a lot of repelling off things, climbing up things. i remember climbing up, we did this technique like 150 foot up and it's one line. this is zac. >> oh, that looks like fun. >> but the thing is he's great. they have got such physicality from their day job of all that dancing and this sort of stuff. he loved it. he just wanted adrenaline. >> do they have any idea about what the agenda was going in, the certain type of courses or chores they would be exposed to? >> they said how do we prepare and i said just come with a big bag of enthusiasm and another sack of fortitude. i'll say we're going to get dropped off here, picked up there. we just wing it. >> tamron was the only woman. i have to say that makes her very brave. how did she do?
>> she is brave. she was kind of a fish out of water. by her own admission, she's a city girl, she's never done anything like this. what i loved about tamron, she arrived looking perfect, you know -- >> gorgeous. >> just like you, all prepared. i dragged her in, her hair is a mess and it was like welcome to the wild. but she did brilliantly. >> this is the big question. i want to be on a close-up for this. did you make tamron drink her own urine. >> of course. off camera. >> wow. oh, my gosh. no, you didn't. no. tamron wouldn't do that. there's no way. >> i'm going to protect you. why did you ask that question? >> because as a survivalist bear teaches these type of skills. >> people come up when i go in a bar, oh, do you want a pint of
urine. tamron was amazing. we came across a rotting squirrel and i was trying to pull its gut out through its anal vent. >> did you say anal vent? oh, my god. >> the series premiere of "running wild with bear grylls" will air on nbc monday, july 28th, at 8:00 p.m., 7:00 p.m. central time. >> for round two could you book mika? >> i'm tough. >> you've got more of a chance of getting her than scarborough. >> oh, no, joe would be very brave. >> would he? >> yes, definitely. >> i would not. is there a four seasons anywhere in those areas? >> all right. thank you so much, bear. good to have you on. a lot more ahead on "morning joe." a touching gift or really creepy? >> creepy. >> why these dolls are appearing on the doorsteps of homes in one california community, and they
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witnesses say five explosions tore through this u.n.-run school in northern gaza. >> the playground peppered with shells. >> an outdoor class was soaked in blood. >> they thought they were safe here, but these days nowhere is safe in gaza. >> the hospital is overwhelmed. most of the casualties are children and women. >> you want to tell me who is responsible then? >> this incident has sparked anger among palestinians. >> yet another commercial airline disaster. >> air algerie left africa with 116 people on board. >> the pilot on the plane asked to change route because of a storm. >> american security measures have only two settings, indifferent and total panic. >> u.s. airlines are starting to
fly into tel aviv. >> this decision by the faa, was this a political decision? >> we have not made decisions when it comes to airline safety based not just on politics, we look at the facts. >> this sends the wrong message to kiev. >> the european union will had 32 new companies to its sanctions list. >> we've seen europe move with us. not always as fast as we'd like but they get there. >> russia appears one step closer toward all-out war with the former soviet state of ukraine. >> if i have a fear, it's that putin may actually light a fire that he loses control of. it's 8:00 a.m. on the east coast, 5:00 a.m. on the west coast as you take a live look at new york city on this friday morning. it's finally friday. welcome to "morning joe." with us on set we have mark halperin, donny deutsch. and in washington, eugene robinson. the recalls have really hurt gm. we've got a report now their profits in the second quarter,
one quarter, 85% down. that's a staggering fall. after taxes, the troubled car parts will cost the company $1.5 billion and gm just outlined six new recalls affecting roughly 800,000 vehicles. so they keep coming. i guess they have looked under the hood, so to speak. >> but mika, the irony of this is their sales are up. >> what? >> their sales are not hurting. i think u.s. consumers have become so anesthetized to corporate blunders and corporate problems, okay, this was 2004. so of course their profits are down -- >> 85%. >> all the housekeeping that they have to do, to put it nicely. as far as people going to the showrooms, ironically, they're not stopping. >> the business section of the "times" talks about how these big suvs, the sales are so high, as donny says, sales are actually up but the profits are down because they have taken such a chunk from all these
recalls. >> so i'm happy -- i want the jobs safe but how is it possible -- i would think that people would -- >> let me ask you a question right now. if you want to go buy an escalade. by the way, my kids -- my wife -- my kids' mom drives them in an escalade and for some reason i wouldn't think twice. if it was a specific model that year recalled. but i think consumers are savvy enough to understand that a car produced in 2013 that's a different model, although it comes from the same corporation, does not necessarily come from the same place. it's really stunning. and by the way, toyota -- >> right. >> a horrible incident with the false start, so i don't know if we've become used to it. i don't know if that's the good news or the bad news there. >> even with these numbers, you say the company can survive and thrive. >> they will. >> okay. >> a lot of their sales are overseas too, mika. they have a huge chunk of the china market, gm does, which i
don't think is terribly affected by all these recalls. okay. let's get to the big news of the morning. it's now daylight in northern mali where at any moment we expect to get the first pictures of the wreckage of that air algerie flight that disappeared. 110 passengers and 6 crew were killed in the crash over the conflict zone yesterday. right now the cause is unknown but officials say the pilots did send a final message asking for a change in route because of heavy rain. france, which has been helping mali fight al qaeda-linked rebels is now helping with the crash investigation. the french president said this morning one black box has been found in the wreckage. most of the passengers on board were french. others were from africa, the middle east and europe. five from canada. media there reports that four were from the same family. a mother, a father and their two children. there were no americans on board. but with a third air disaster in
just a week, u.s. officials are rushing to reassure the public that flying is still safe. here's nbc's tom costello. >> reporter: it's been a rough six months for international aviation. all told nearly 600 people have died. now another crash. air algerie, flight 5017, an md-83 thrown by swift air left with 116 people on board, but crashed 50 minutes later in bad weather. like ukraine, northern mali is a war zone. in june the faa warned u.s. pilots to avoid flying below 24,000 feet over mali, citing the risk of anti-aircraft fire to include shoulder-fired, man portable air defense systems. it's not clear what happened to flight 5017, but it's the latest in a string of incidents. a fatal passenger plane crash in taiwan wednesday with 48 dead. u.s. flights temporarily suspended into tel aviv. the shootdown of malaysia flight 17 over ukraine.
malaysia flight 370 remains missing, presumably 1500 miles off the coast of australia. and a terror watch for all u.s.-bound flights. >> the fact that we've had a cluster of incidents does not materially affect the fact that our skies and the skies around the world are safe. >> the faa lists 63 countries, including cuba, yemen, north korea and pakistan where u.s. airlines are prohibited from flying or subject to flight restrictions and warnings. the secretary of transportation -- >> as the situation on the ground changes in some of these parts of the world, our guidance perhaps will change. >> reporter: in fact, the chances are very good your flight will land safely. according to an mit statistician, your chances of being killed in a plane crash anywhere in the world are roughly 1 in 4 million, but in north america and europe, that drops to 1 in 25 million. that means you could go 60,000 years flying every day before a fatal crash. the last fatal accident involving a u.s. carrier was in buffalo when 50 people died.
that was in 2009. >> in this industry, anybody's accident is everybody's accident. when there's a mishap, when something goes wrong, the industry works together to figure out why to keep it from happening again. >> and that was tom costello reporting. there is new hope this morning that there could be a short-term deal to end the crisis in the middle east after the deadliest day of violence between israel and hamas. we keep saying that every day and every day it gets worse. secretary of state john kerry is waiting to hear back from both sides about a one-week cease-fire proposal. the plan would let israeli defense forces remain in gaza as israel and hamas try to reach a long-term deal. the possible progress comes after an attack on a u.n. school in gaza that left at least 15 civilians dead, including three children. about 200 more people are injured. palestinian officials say israeli tank shells are to blame. israel says hamas rockets could
be responsible but did not rule out accidentally striking the facility. tragically the school was serving as a shelter for those trying to escape the violence. >> these are people who had taken shelter in a u.n.-designated area. the warring parties, particularly the israelis, were given the precise gps coordinants. they knew exactly what was going on there, and in spite of that this has happened. we again say enough civilians, enough women, enough children. they have suffered quite enough in this appalling conflict. >> the ongoing bloodshed led to large protests in the west bank, including clashes between israeli soldiers and thousands of palestinians at a military checkpoint. officials say one palestinian was killed, hundreds were hurt. israeli journalists said it was one of the biggest protests in recent memory. a total of at least 119 palestinians were killed yesterday. palestinian officials say that brings the overall death toll to more than 800. on the israeli side, 32 soldiers
have died as well as three civilians. eugene robinson, it's almost as if one would be afraid to watch the news following this story. >> yeah, yeah. it's -- it just seems to get worse and worse and worse. you know, this outbreak of protests in the west bank on the opposite side of israel, you know, at the end of this, and there will be an end of this, this is not just a regular israeli mowing the grass in gaza, i mean this has turned into a pretty major war. but it will have an end. at the end, you know, depressingly i think we're just generating another generation of war. you know, another generation of martyrs and another generation of resentment and, frankly, hatred. it's just -- >> it's incredible. >> it's depressing. >> gene, you wrote a fascinating piece in the "post" as far as
israel's moral compass and obviously you're pro-israel and israel has to defend itself but there are lines. i guess the question is, as we all watch that as human beings is apparent, your heart breaks but then you go, okay, there's 2200 rockets being launched into israel and obviously israel strikes back. how do you draw firm lines as far as where the morality is? >> you know, and the answer is you can't draw firm lines because everybody's firm line i think would be a bit different. i think you have to look at -- you have to look at the situation and you have to try to look at proportionality and you have to realize that a civilized nation that does not respond to every heinous act in kind. that's just not what we're about, that's not what israel is about. and, you know, so what is the -- what's kind of the moral cost benefit of a given strike or a
given operation. you know, i think, frankly, this has gone too far. it's gone over to the negative side. i think it becomes counterproductive, especially given that, yes, all those rockets are being fired at israel, but you know what, they're all being deflected and shot down by the iron dome system, which is kind of changed the security situation in israel, at least in terms of the rockets. the tunnels are a different story. the tunnels are something new. and, you know, we have to learn more about that because apparently there are a lot more tunnels being dug than the israelis even knew about. they hadn't really been used yet. and so it's kind of unclear exactly what that's about. but the rockets are not, you know -- the situation is not what it was five years ago. >> let's go to gaza. nbc news foreign correspondent ayman mohyeldin has been there from the beginning of this
conflict. ayman, good morning. what more can you tell us about this blast at the u.n. school that killed 16 people? what happened there? >> reporter: well, i wish i could play for you guys the sound that's happening behind us right now. it's a real juxtaposition of what life has become like in gaza. you're hearing on one hand the sounds of friday prayers and it's juxtaposed pierced pie the sound of artillery shelling every few seconds. but in terms of what happened at the u.n. school, there are two narratives coming out of this, one from the united nations, one from the israeli military. the united nations says its gps coordinants were given to the idf. they say that they don't necessarily have any hard evidence that this was a direct israeli shell. they say all the indications are that it was an israeli shelling because it was one of several in the area that were coming from the direction of the israeli military. in addition to that, they are calling for a full investigation. but they are also citing something that's very important.
they say this is now the third school that has been hit by the israelis. they say the other two schools, they don't have any doubt that it was the israeli shells. in fact they found an inert israeli bomb in one of those schools clearly marked that it was from the israeli side. so for them they have the evidence they need to believe it was israel. they are calling for a full investigation. the israeli military is saying something completely different. they are starting to show that they could have possibly made a mistake. in fact the spokesperson for the israeli military said, yes, we were firing mortars in that area. it was possible that one of our mortars landed in this school. >> we are talking about a line that has been crossed with pictures after pictures after pictures of children being killed and children being wounded and children losing their family members. gene's article, it's got a picture of this child at the hospital who's just obviously lost her family or friends just screaming in agony. there is a difference here, is there not? and what are kerry's options when you're dealing with people
responsible in one way or another for scenes like this? >> well, human tragedy is horrible. but not to get too meta about this, but i think gene represents a turn in the last 24 hours you see in the media coverage and opinion pieces and news coverage of people saying it's gone too far. and the israelis are keen observers of american media and recognize world and u.s. opinion matter a lot here, but they're not done with the military operation. i think what secretary kerry is up against in the private conversations between prime minister netanyahu and american officials now are very tough because what they're up against is they want a cease-fire and the israelis are not done. they think their military operation is particularly on the tunnels needs to continue. the big question to me is for how long. i don't think they'll agree to a cease-fire unless they're done, and they're not done. >> frightening. >> and, you know, the other thing is that i'm not sure hamas is done either, because hamas was in some deep political
trouble, right? its patron, the government of egypt, is gone now. there's a government there that doesn't like hamas. and so -- and they're getting more popular. they'll get more support among palestinians for standing up to israel. >> the president gave an exclusive interview yesterday to cnbc firing it back against allegations there were political reasons, you heard this from some members of congress, behind that faa ban on u.s. flights into israel. >> the initial ban that was imposed by the faa was based on israel needing to show us that in fact it was safe for commercial airlines to fly in. by the way, the european governments in terms of regulating their airlines did the exact same thing, so i think what happened here was in light of some scary moments a couple of days ago, the faa took some prudent action. >> criticism came from senator ted cruz, probably the most
vocal critic, saying this was a way to essentially put some sanction on israel for what it's doing. >> can i officially say that cruz is a blirting idiot. he's a blithering idiot. i love that chris matthews started comparing him to mccarthy, to suggest in any way, shape or form that this was done as economic sanctions against israel is a level of idiocy that i have not seen out of any republicans and this kind of rhetoric is the kind of thing that may push the midterm elections back in favor of the democrats. still ahead on "morning joe," the new fear of flying. why after a week of deadly crashes, officials are taking a second look at global air security. former secretary of homeland security michael chertoff will explain what can be done. plus senator maria cantwell is leading the charge on capitol hill to make sure female entrepreneurs are getting the resources they need. she'll join us ahead in just a bit. and still ahead, those dolls that mysteriously turned up on people's door steps who look exactly like the real children that live in the house, awkward
and totally creepy? we'll tell you who was responsible next. but first, bill karins with a check of the forecast. bill. >> thanks, mika. how creepy is that, middle of the night you wake up and see that on your front porch. just deliver it during the day. as far as the forecast went yesterday, horrible news out of southern portions of virginia. this is across the chesapeake right along the coastal areas. they have only had like five tornados in the last 60 years but they had one yesterday morning at 8:30 in the morning. it was over a rural section. it went over a campground. so they really had no warning. they knew the skies were getting dark but there's no tornado sirens in this region and they got nailed. it was only an ef-1. but you see those big, huge trees, they fell on a tent with a couple in it and both have perished. 25 people were also injured and brought to hospitals. let's talk about what's happening as far as today. we continue with the heat. it was 116 yesterday in phoenix. i don't care if they call it a dry heat, 116 is hot. as far as the wet weather goes,
thunderstorms continue this morning. they dove all the way from minneapolis now straight down through iowa, and now they're starting to head right over the mississippi into areas of illinois. also that northeast corner of missouri. we'll have to watch you in st. louis to see if those storms can make it all the way down to your northern sections this morning. chicago a chance of storms, a beautiful day from pittsburgh all the way through the northeast. saturday looks pretty nice on the east coast, hit and miss shower around new york, but we could have severe storms, especially indianapolis all the way through the ohio valley. isolated strong storms late in the day and the heat really gets turned up in the west as we go through your sunday. we have 34 uncontrolled large fires burning. 18 of those in oregon. and it's going to be very hot in oregon. boise at 97. you get a feel for those hot shot fire crews on the ground fighting those blazes this weekend. it's going to be brutal to be out there on their front lines. we leave you with a shot of washington, d.c. it's a friday, it's the
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all right. it's time now to take a look at the morning papers. in that we will answer the creepy question. the "los angeles times" police have tracked down the person who totally freaked out a bunch of parents in southern california by leaving on their doorsteps porcelain dolls that resembled their young daughters. look at these dolls. you were right, donny, to be creeped out.
it was okay. that was everybody's reaction. almost all of the homeowners used the word "creepy" to describe the toys, which were dropped off early in the morning before people woke up. the dolls had the same skin tone and hair color as the girls who live in the neighborhood in san clemente. >> reporter: at the home of one of the targeted families, thursday night sheriff deputies joined parents of the girls who received mysterious porcelain dolls. 11 of the figurines were left on the front doorsteps of each family and look eerily similar to the girls who live at each residence. >> the dolls resemble their daughters. >> reporter: the orange county sheriff's department has collected all dolls as evidence in hopes of determining the manufacturer, retail origin and person or persons behind the unwanted doorstep drop-off in the debatgated communities with parents are taking extra precaution. >> telling them to never go with strangers, watch out for each
other. >> reporter: the girls are around 10 years old and several attend the same elementary school. after the group meeting, the parents and kids left as next-door neighbors are worried. >> it's just hard to know what to make of it. >> reporter: the first doll reported was left last week and the most recently placed figurine was left at a home on tuesday. no crime has been committed but not knowing if it's a prank or handiwork of a sexual predator, detectives are on the case considering children are involved and the underlying motivation unknown. >> terrible. >> please tell me mike barnicle had nothing to do with this. >> i think it was t.j. >> you're sending us to the weekend with an unsolved mystery? >> i feel so bad because everyone was saying those words like creepy and they had police. the person who left the dolls has been discovered and it's not so bad. turns out it was an elderly woman. >> still creepy, though. >> no! she attends the local church and
she was clearing out her doll collection and she wanted to surprise her neighbors. >> right, right. are we sure, mika? >> yes! >> are we sure it wasn't like an elderly woman as in tony perkins' mother in "psycho"? >> where's my article this week, seriously. >> he was here yesterday. >> one of the doll's heads spun around? >> no. it's so sweet and so sad how our society is so depraved and completely like awful for blaming it on this poor little lady. >> here's the thing, her doll collection was so big that she could match up -- >> yes. >> -- like one for one, every kid in the neighborhood with a doll. >> that's so sweet. it's better than cats. it's okay. >> it's right on par with cats. >> oh, my goodness. i feel so terrible. >> did you see how they put the woman's name up and said whatever her name was, received creepy doll. let's go to the "cincinnati
enquirer." vice president joe biden spoke at the organization's 104th conference. the message throughout his 40-minute address was optimistic. he said he believes the united states is currently in better position than any other country in the world when it comes to future job creation and earning a living wage. the veep praised the urban league's consistent history and their dedication to working towards economic equality. >> but folks, i don't believe the american people are divided. i think it's the american political system that's broken and dividing them. so folks, do what you've always done since your founding. expose the american people to the realities of the circumstances we're concerned about and they will be with us like i am with you. god bless you all. >> and speaking of the national urban league, joining us now, that group's president, marc
morial, he's in cincinnati, ohio, the site of the group's 104th anniversary conference. great to have you on the show this morning, marc. >> hey, good morning, mika. good morning. >> are you as optimistic as the vice president, especially about the way forward in terms of wages and jobs? >> i'm optimistic because we're eternally optimistic, but we face a divided and broken political system and we face a seeming inability to act on things like minimum wage. but i would say that last week and earlier this week the new workforce act, which was signed by the president and passed with overwhelming majorities in both houses of congress, is a rare example of bipartisanship which goes to improving and strengthening our ability to prepare and train the workers of today for the jobs of tomorrow. so we should underscore that notwithstanding difficult and challenging times, there was a victory earlier this week.
>> mark halperin. >> mr. mayor, how open is your membership to hearing from republicans? it gets casts sometimes as bit of a stunt or are they open to ideas and open to the notion of listening to republican ideas as opposed to democratic ideas? >> you know, we are deliberately working to send a very strong message with the lineup of speakers we have here from vice president biden to senator paul to reince priebus to debbie wasserman schultz. the first step we have to take is a step of having dialogue, so i think reince priebus and rand paul coming here creates an opportunity for many of our delegates to hear, hear from people like reince priebus and rand paul for the first time, because there's been a disengagement over the past four to five years by many republican leaders. and so what we're trying to do is start with this dialogue, and i think there's a lot of curiosity, particularly since
rand paul has taken some interesting positions on things like criminal justice reform. so i believe that people are open. but the test, mark, is going to be whether this is the beginning and not, if you will, a drive-by set of events. we are open to the dialogue and we want to send a message that even if we find that there are differences of approach and differences of opinion, we've got to work to try to find common ground because these intractable problems are not going to go away easily. >> marc morial, thanks. after the most deadly week in recent aviation history, officials are now rethinking the paths of some international flights. former secretary of homeland security michael chertoff addresses those safety concerns next. "morning joe" will be right back. you owned your car for four years.
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all right. welcome back to "morning joe." 32 past the hour. joining us now former secretary of homeland security michael chertoff. mr. chertoff is now in the private sector serving as the executive chairman of the chertoff group, a global security and risk management advisory firm. he has a piece in "politico" magazine titled "our new fear of
flying" about the need to revamp global air security. michael, very good to have you on the show. >> good to be on, mika. >> mr. secretary, first of all, what are the biggest concerns in terms of global air security, not just in light of the recent aviation disasters that we've seen, but in terms of your knowledge of the situation? >> well, actually the terrible events involving the ukrainian shootdown are actually the least of our problems. it's not completely unknown to have a plane at altitude brought down by an airplane or a missile, but that's usually something that occurs when a nation state is involved. the bigger danger we face now are attacks on aircraft landing or taking off at a lower level that's within the range of a shoulder-fired surface-to-air missile, or else the kind of attack on an airport that we've seen in karachi, pakistan, tripoli as well.
so the focus has to be on the lower altitude aircraft and the safety of the airport itself. >> what about flying over unstable areas or even war zones, and do pilots actually follow that all the time in terms of restrictions or warnings? >> well, they do get warnings. when you're flying at altitude over 30,000 feet, you're not really within the range of the kind of missile that you find in the hands of terrorists. so there have to be either a military mistake, for example we had a shootdown of an iranian airliner a couple of decades ago, or there'd have to be something along the lines of what happened in the ukraine, where apparently one country gives a bunch of rebels or insurgents sophisticated weapons and then they use those weapons. but that's still relatively low risk, compared to when you're taking off or landing in a battle zone. that's what i would focus on. >> mark halperin? >> secretary chertoff, let me
ask you a general question based on your experience on the international stage. can the united states have a productive, useful relationship with russia as long as vladimir putin is in charge or does the u.s. need to wait until he's gone? >> if we're going to wait until he's gone, we're going to be waiting for a long time. i don't have the sense he's looking to leave any time soon. look, he is testing us and he is testing the west and he is testing the relationship among nato and european countries and the united states to see if there are weak spots or if we're going to go soft. and he's going to continue the pressure. sometimes he'll back off, then he'll turn it up again. so i think we need to make sure we are resolute, that we are all basically operating off the same page. i know in europe there are a variety of views, but i think we need to make sure we send a clear message that there are some red line that say we will not allow him to cross. if we need to turn up economic sanctions, if we need to ask the
question whether the world cup ought to be in russia in a few years, then maybe those ought to be issues that are on the table. >> thomas, go ahead. >> so secretary chertoff, i know you're now in the private sector taking all the valued experience that you got serving all of us, which we appreciate and thank you for. what do you think about the recent conversations that make our country is at a fork in the road about complacency, that we're far enough away from 9/11 that we feel a little more relaxed or that we're not being as sure of ourselves in the type of security that we're providing ourselves domestically? >> you know, we've done a good job up to now with our security and we've had -- you know, obviously events like the boston marathon, but they have been relatively rare and the casualties, while tragic, have not been what we saw on september 11th. there is a risk that whether it's fatigue or complacency or distraction with other issues that we will stop adapting ourselves to new threats. and here's the challenge, tom.
we are now facing maybe the worst threat situation since the period after 9/11. we have a very active, extreme and violent group in syria and iraq, isis, that has made some significant strides in getting control over part of a territory in those countries. they have gotten their hands on military grade weapons. they have apparently gotten into bank vaults. they have money, they have battle experience. they are recruiting westerners to come and fight. there have been estimates of several thousand westerners, including americans, getting experience and getting indoctrine atd. some of those folks will come back. we ought not kid ourselves that somehow they're not going to be looking to do some damage in the united states and in the west. norway is predicting they may have an attack soon because of returning fieghters. this is not the time to drop our guard. some of the debate about the intelligence needs to consider these threats. >> switching to immigration,
which has a huge national security component, there's a short-term crisis being dealt with this week but obviously a long-term debate about what to do. do you believe there should be a path to citizenship for people in the country who are here illegally now? >> i still subscribe to what we argued for when we had a bipartisan agreement in 2007. we need to have tough border security, tough enforcement against illegal work in the united states, but we also have to find a way, a path to legalization for those in the country who have been here for a while who are willing to pay their taxes, perhaps to pay a penalty, so that we don't labor under the illusion that we're going to deport 11 million people. i do think we need to have a comprehensive approach, and part of that means legalization for those who are willing to play by the rules and a path to citizenship, provided that they're not ahead of the line for those who have been waiting patiently outside the country.
>> to michael chertoff, thank you very much. it's always good to have you on the show. >> good to be on. still ahead, addressing the gender gap. it's something everyone in washington talks about. our next guest actually doing something about it. senator maria cantwell standing by, next on "morning joe." when folks think about what they get from alaska, they think salmon and energy.
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that women business owners get just $1 for every $23 in small business lending. i'd like to talk about this disparity. first of all, putting on the table that we women are bad at this, asking for money thing. that's one part of it. but there's many other aspects as well. what have you found? >> well, i don't know if we're necessarily bad at asking for money. >> i think we are. >> i think the issue is that when you look at the statistics, you definitely see a gender gap. >> yeah. >> what we want to make sure is that there is access to capital because we're 51% of the population, and i guarantee you, we have a lot of great ideas. >> i think not only that, there's studies out there that show that when women are running places, running things, involved with running businesses, that the productivity, profitability is added to as well. but i talk about the struggle women face kind of asking for a loan or asking for money, and there are kind of personal,
psychological aspects to this. we'll put that aside and let me ask you what you think can be done, what you are doing to try and fill this gap from the other end of it with the other problems, with perhaps the fact that women perhaps get less money for other reasons. >> well, i think to put it in simplest terms, if i was doing a pitch today in front of you and in front of joe, do you think there might be a difference in how we would be perceived? and i think the issue is, is that we need programs that are tailored to women and we need to have women's input in the decision-making. a great product that's out there on the marketplace now is a pillow for newborn babies called boppy. this woman tried to get traditional financing. she ended up going and getting a small business microloan that very much suited her and she took that $25,000 and turned it into a $10 million business. >> that's incredible. >> so there are ideas out here
and as barbara corcoran said, who is appearing at our hearing, she said sometimes men don't understand the value proposition of products that women are pitching. but secondly, what we need to do besides getting more women entrepreneurs in training and getting women to help them is that we need to tailor products, the financial products, to women. and what we're finding is that women really like the microloans, the $50,000 and less, because that's the way they want to approach the market with their products. they're less, you know, capital intensive, but great ideas. and then they need a second step. they need an intermediate loan that isn't really available in the marketplace. so say between $50,000 and $250,000, and that's what we're really going to focus on, putting capital there. >> let me just -- i'm going to turn it over to mark halperin, but joe would give you the money. i would be difficult. mark halperin, go ahead.
he would. >> senator, i want to ask you about some news of day. do you think that the time has come for israel to stop its military action in the region or do you think they need to continue doing what they're doing? >> well, i think i'm very appreciative of secretary kerry being there on the ground and i hope we can reach a cease-fire agreement. so we'll see how the rest of today plays out on that point. >> but again, just in general, do you think -- do you trust israel to make their own judgment about when they should stop or would you call on them to stop now? >> well, i think israel has a right to defend themselves, but i think as we can see from the region, we need to continue this dialogue. obviously secretary kerry's presence there has put something on the table, so let's see what comes of that. >> all right, senator maria cantwell, thank you very, very much. up next, recently there's been increased talk from certain people about impeaching president obama. a new poll is out just this morning asking people's opinions
of that idea and the numbers may surprise you. keep it right here on "morning joe." as long as i've lived in iowa, there's always been wind. (strauss' blue danube playing)
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back at claims that wednesday's nearly two-hour execution of a convicted murderer was botched. this comes after witnesses reported seeing joseph wood snorting and gasping for air more than an hour after the lethal injection. the director of arizona's department of corrections says the autopsy shows that wood was comatose three minutes after the drugs were administered and that he was never in any pain. however, arizona senator john mccain disagrees, telling politico that the two-hour execution amounted to torture saying, quote, the people who were responsible should be held responsible. house speaker john boehner's plan to sue president obama is moving forward after being approved by a house committee. the house rules committee gave the go ahead in a 7-4 party line vote. speaker boehner says president obama exceeded his legal authority by delaying the employer mandate in obamacare without congressional approval, but democrats say the lawsuit is simply an election year stunt which led to a heated exchange at the panel's hearing.
>> this has everything to do with trying to manage some of the extremists in your party, some of the cuckoo clocks who are talking about impeachment. this has nothing to do with the law. >> mr. chairman, i object to some of the language being used here. >> and would not like to see this committee on my side refer to people who might be on your side as cuckoos. and i do not believe that that's appropriate. >> the republican-controlled house is expected to vote on the resolution next week. and a new cnn opinion research poll finds just 33% of americans agree with republicans who want to impeach president obama. two-thirds of voters do not want to see barack obama impeached, but 33% do. slightly more than president obama's predecessor. at the same time in his presidency 30% wanted george w. bush impeached, 32 exact wanted
bill clinton impeached. the majority of voters, 57% believe they should not file a lawsuit against the white house. mark halperin, anything interesting in those numbers? >> that's a big number. it seems kind of big. let's repoll it. let's make sure. >> no. i trust it. all right, up next, what, if anything, did we learn today? vo: this is the summer. the summer of this.
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the new poll found that most americans have a higher opinion of darth vader than of any potential 2016 presidential candidate. than any candidate. >> what? >> in fact things are looking so good for vader that he's actually decided to run for president. he's released a few campaign slogans. first we have cheney 2.0. next there's the only candidate who can actually scare putin. and finally, still less dangerous than biden. he makes some great points. i hope he comes on the show if he decides to run. >> time now to talk about what we learned today. if you want to know about background stuff going on in this studio, check mark halperin's twitter. it involves a window watcher and a crotch. that's all i'm going to say about that. >> i don't mean to alarm people. >> it's alarming. >> but there's a giant window washer in times square.
>> what did you learn today? >> two things. that bear taught tamron a new trick on running wild, which is going to be on nbc. >> very impressive tamron. >> which i hope everybody watches. and graham, it's graham's last day. >> get over here, graham. >> graham, our intern. >> graham let mark halperin steel by jamba juice. so today is his last day. >> ask the newsroom, john tower in the control room, how did he do? >> he was a total diva. >> diva? >> diva. really? graham! you're going to have to come back another week. >> i might have to. >> okay, great. i think you did a great job, it was great to have you. also i have guests in the newsroom. head mistress, the head of the madera school, heather kirby, great to have you. greatest school ever. that does it for us, everybody. have a great weekend. if it's way too early, thomas, what time is it? >> it's time for "morning joe."
>> but now it's time for "the daily rundown" with chuck todd. have a good weekend. the border crisis front and center today at the white house. he'll meet with three central american leaders. meanwhile with congress running out of time before recess, can they get anything done? i'll also talk to house budget committee chairman paul ryan about his new anti-poverty plan. meanwhile protests overnight in the west bank after an attack on a u.n.-run school in gaza. as secretary of state john kerry tries to get just a temporary, week-long cease-fire. can we even get that done? plus the other side of the effort to woo women this november, republicans recruiting women candidates to see if they can stem the tide of this gigantic gender gap that favors the democrats. good morning from washington, it's friday, july 25th, 2014. this is "the daily rundown." let me get to my first reads of
the morning. if you thought gridlock on capitol hill had sunk to an all-time low, congress confirms it can go lower. the 113th congress is shaping up to be the least productive on record. it will pass just 127 laws. that's even worse than the last one, which was one of the most unproductive and unpopular congresses in popular history. but the 112th congress was more productive than this one. by this point in 2012, that congress had passed 147 bills. with just five legislative days to go before members head home to their districts for a five-week august recess, it's looking less and less likely that lawmakers will do anything to solve a couple of problems that a few weeks ago had every member saying needed to be dealt with. they were crises of the moment that needed action. first, there was the situation on the border. this afternoon president obama will meet with the presidents of guatemala, el salvador and honduras. he spoke with the president of mexico last night and w
welcome back. let's get a check on the day ahead. president obama will follow up on the immigration announcement with a visit to nevada.announce. and the capitol christmas tree arrives in washington, d.c., the tree hails from minnesota this year, and it will be lit on december 2nd, that is it, "morning joe" starts right now. >> if you register, pass a criminal background check and you are willing to pay your fair share of of taxes you will be able to apply to stay in the country without the fear of deportation, you can come out of the shadows and get right with the law, all we are saying is, we are not going to deport you, the critics of this action call it amnesty, it's not.
it's the immigration system we have today. >> good morning, it's friday, november 21st, and welcome to "morning joe," can you believe it's friday? it sort of has been a long week. that was president last night. amazing speech. we have political analyst and visiting professor at nyu, former democratic congressman, hear old ford, jr. did you do wiell? >> he gave a good speech. >> controversial? >> no doubt. >> and morning. good to have you on board for just this reason. and the host ofof -- before we t to immigration and the big conversation about that, we want to start this morn onning in up-state new york where massive snow storm is going wrap up finally after pounding the buffalo region for the last few days. it has been breaking news over
the past 36 hours. it has been blamed for ten deaths after dropping up to 7 feet in some area of snow. roof collapses are a major concern, with warmer temperatures this weekend expected and flooding will be an issue as well. lester holt has more on this . >> reporter: more than 100 patients had to be evacuated when the roof showed signs of weakening. >> there's potential for collapse. >> reporter: two dozen people driven from the roads by white-out conditions and deep snow has been holed up in the wall mrt store since tuesday. >> could not ask for a better place to be stranded. >> reporter: from the air, we could see the area painted in white, rooftops looked like they are slathered in whip cream. we can count dozens of cars that were stopped in their tracks,
buri buried in snow, the roof is barely visible. even as road crews make progress, there's neighborhoods still can cut-off, surrounded by chest deep snow. we went down one street on foot where we could only shout a conversation. have you ever seen it like this? >> i have never seen it like this, i have lived here my whole life. >> reporter: the officials are doing their best to reach those with emergencies and are reminding hope-bound residents to take precautions. >> you are looking theity buffalo bills stadium. it's covered in snow, the schedule game on sunday has been moved to monday night in ford field in detroit. they were trying to get people to shovel it out, it's impossible at this point. let's bring in bill with the latest, bill? >> the snow totals are off the chart. the highest total we have in is over 7 feet of snow in this three-day event. it's really two storms that were
separated by one day. all through theier, hamburg was 80 inches, orchard park where the stadium was cloelocated, it was -- a front end loader dug this woman out, and this is just from her driveway, you can see her son went out to climb the mountain of snow in her front yard. this is what they will deal with all winter long, it will be there all season. we will melt considerably, we will up to 61 on monday, it will be humid out there too, so that melts the snow faster. a half inch of rain, we are worried about flooding. worse damage was done by the snow and the wet of the snow. we will watch it as with we go through the weekend and good news is over the weekend, warm air builds across the country. we are two weeks of january type weather and it's over with after today. >> all right, bill, we will be in touch with you, we have the big news now this morning out of
w with a, in the words of president obama, we were strangers once too. last night that speech to the nation the president made the emotional case for wide ranger immigration reform. but with a nod to the political blow-back that lies ahead. he heads to las vegas today to curoccucurry favor for the acti. it is intended to protect human trafficking victim. it will remove barriers for foreign workers to come here and work and stay longer, especially in the high tech industry. and the center piece will prevent the deportation of 5 million americans. he has argued that every president since eisenhower has taken action on immigration, it is clear that he is aware of the politics aa head. >> don't let the disagreement on
a single issue be a deal breaker on every issue. it's not how the democracy works. >> okay, javier, let's look at how the "new york times," first line, president obama chose -- >> you know, i think first and foremost, our association, the 3.2 million hispanic in the country that collectively contribute billions of dollars in the economy stand in support of the president's action. it's not the action that anybody hoped for. >> i understand that, you and i are on the same page, could he have waited? could he have given them a deadline? what would have changed this this deadline? >> he could have, but the reality of it is, there's a bipartisan bill that has sat in congress now for over a year. and we prefer some action versus
no action at all. >> ray suarez, when do you think? >> there was risk involved by the president, but it may have been a bigger risk to way longer. the president has been calling for congress to act on this for a long time, for years in fact. congress could not even fas dream act, which for a long time was considered the low hanging fruit of immigration reform. if you could not take the most sympathetic immigrants, people that were brought here as babes in arms in many cases and make them safe from deportation, what could you accomplish? the house had a long time to do something on it and did nothing. the president was advised by many to act earlier and he didn't. the clock was running and he was under pressure too. >> and the republicans are sounding the alarm. >> they are insensed about this. the top leaders are using the president's own words against him now. >> the president said before, he
is not kin. and he is not an emperor, but he is sure acting like one, and he is doingi ining it at a time wh american people want us to work together. >> he was talking about immigration, and i know that some wish i could by-pass congress and change the law myself. but that is not how democracy works. indeed, mr. president, it isn't. >> previous comments were looked at on executive author aity, an they said it's false that his position has changed. it will embolden more desperate people to make the often deadly crossing from the united states -- to the united states from mexico it is said. and there's division on how best to respond to the president. some are pushing for budget strikes and others are dangling the idea of a shutdown and some
are not fully ruling out impe h impeachment. >> we can defund areas of president obama's lawlessness, so we should do so, use the power of the purse. >> are you worried about the political blow-back on the republicans if they do that? >> not if it's targeted and limited. what are we talking? it's not government shutdown or anything drastic. >> third would be kuth out the appropriations bill. i don't want to could the last thing. nobody wants to do the "i" word, the president has thrown us in to the situation. >> you hear caution. lindsey graham is cautious
saying if you make it about us, then it's not about the president and immigration. they can pass their own law that the president can vito. >> and the president said do it. pass the bill. >> first of all, i think the substance of what the president said, spot on. these are steps that should have been taken, his timing is wrong, however. i think it would probable have been better to give the republican new congress three months to act to it, and lay it out, and if they didn't, the president could still act on executive action. you have to wonder, there will be ramifications for this. the republicans warned before this happened and the president is taking a big risk on other parts of other important parts of the agenda being enacted. now this issue is important. and it may end up being the only issue that gets done over the next several months. hopefully the republicans are not equally silly and shutdown government or try to impeach the
president. the democrats in the congress could have negative blow-back from this. >> do you feel the timing was provocative? putting the republicans in a place where they always do, trying to knock down what he has always done, instead of doing something productive. which he could have given them time to do. >> no doubt, it's provocative. >> the reality is that there's an amazing hispanic electorate that is growing by leaps and bounds. many turn 18 and become an eligible voter. every 30 seconds, a hispanic turns 18 and becomes a voter. the republicans have a chance here to illustrate leadership to this electorate, and finish what
has begun long before president obama came along. >> ray, do you think the republicans will see it as an opportunity? >> no, but in some ways the president painted them in the corner. it's true when the president said that what he has done is limited. it is only in effect for the life of his administration. it can be rescinded by the next president or over ridden by legislation. but do the republicans want to aggressively move to break up families and start sending people home by using their legislative tools that they have been reluctant to use so far. do they want to do that? the president cannot make them legal, and he didn't do that last night. all he did was move them to the back of the line for waiting to be deported. he the cannot regularize their status, he didn't do it. do the republicans want to move in and say, sorry, buddy, you
want to get on the next plane. >> i know it's a question with a long answer. give me a quick one and distil it down, what is your in my opinion? what do you think had hispanics and latinos in general are looking for, what is a sound immigration policily? >> you know, i think something comprehensive and permanent is what everyone is looking for. we are an organization that is focusing on economic development and the commercial and economic interest of the nation. anything that helps entrepreneurs and small business in the country is what we are looking for. this is not what anybody hoped for, there's an opportunity here to illustrate demonstrate lly d needed leadership. >> we will talk more about what is brewing on this after the president's comments last night t white house is pushing forward for the pick of the top treasury post. the administration has no plans
to pull back on the nomination of antonio weise. it's said that he helped companies avoid taxes by moving money overseaoverseas. it's time for president to loosen the hold that wall street banks have over this issue warren's growing power is described as a test. and liberals are showing strong support for the massachusetts democrat. she tops hilary clinton in a poll. she has popularity on the left. and the far, far left for sure. bill cosby is scheduled to take the stage tonight for a performance as the lift of women
accusing him of sexual assault grows. a 57-year-old florida nurse said cosby drugged and raped her in las vegas when she was 19. but she continued to see him and later asked for and received thousands of dollars from him. >> he changed the course of my life. instead of empowering me like he said he does to people. he made me a victim and a all my life i have been a victim because of this. and that doesn't go away for all of the days of my life. >> the wife of the incredible hulk actor, lou ferrigno is speaking out, she claims that cosby try to force himself on her in his home and she was able to get away. and new york daily news has an interview with another woman that said the comedian lured her in to a hotel room in 1992, and
assaulted her. and an actress who appeared in one flew over the cucoo's nest said she was assaulted. the attorney for bill cosby said we have reached the point of absurdity, the stories are getting more and more ridiculous. the producers of "the cosby show" are break their silence saying the accusations are beyond our knowledge or comp hengz. cosby is scheduled to give a stand up performance tonight, he did not address the allegations last night in his performance. in the past, cosby has denied allegations made by other women, and has never really been criminal charged. >> he is going to have to come out is and say something at some point. it's getting away from him.
if these allegations are true, it's obviously horrible. but that ap interview he did a couple of nights ago, he on camera ask today correspondent to edit out the question and his response to this. >> he did not respond. >> he did not respond, he told h them to take out the question. none of it is proven, but so far, they are allegations, he needs to talk about it. >> josh ernest, congressman aaron shock and actress brooke shields with her new memoire, and a thanksgiving day the communicate. you are watching "morning joe." (vo) you are a business pro.
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better call saul, it's said to air on sunday, february 8th the the new show will run for ten episodes and amc has given the greenlight for another season ghmpt exciting. >> love him. >> suspended vikings running back adrian peterson appears to show the remorse that commissioner rodger goodell said was lacking. he said that he will never use a switch on his child. he said that no one knows how i felt when i turned my child around after spanking him, and seeing what i had left on his leg. no one knows that dad sat there and apologized to him and hugged him and told him how sorry i was. he hopes to return to the vikings and he is looking forward to meet face to face with goodell to share his regret in person. >> all right, usa today, thanksgiving travel is expected to reach the highest level since 2007.
aaa estimates 46 million people will travel at 50 miles or more to celebrate the holiday, that is up 4.2% from last year. gas had hs reached the lowest ll in four years. down $.43 since 2013. you driving anywhere? >> no. you have any advice to what people should pack this season? >> their patience. >> a marine was shot by a sniper bullet, he will do today what he thought was impossible. he will walk across the stage to receive his bronze star. he will retire from the marine corp and receive a bronze star, he will use a robotic exoskeleton that will allow him
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all right, it's time for the must-read opinion pages, we have a bunch of different ones. this is the washington post on bill cosby, hard to keep the faith. and he writes in part this, a few weeks ago, i spent a delightful afternoon and evening with bill cosby. i was the emcee of a gala for historically black claflin university which is this my hometown of orangeburg south carolina, i was having a jolly old time with a serirapist? i'm having trouble squaring the allegations with the man i was with that day. many people may be experiencing the same. cosby has spent his long ground
breaking career in the entertainment industry being such a good guy. how could he possibly be such a bad guy too? i would like to believe the man i met is incapable of such montsrous acts, but his stoney silence is making it hard to keep the faith. to your point, i think he needs to say something. and that puts it in perspective why people are having a hard time talking about this. he has done amazing transformative things for society. his life and his work means so much to so many families and to black and white americans in terms of understanding each other and bridging the gap, fair? >> no doubt, he broke barriers. look, he has to answer this at some point, these allegations continue, it's not one or 10. >> and you don't know if it's a pile on. >> the argument i say it so carefully --
. >> gene said it well. >> there's nothing proved. nothing proved. no convictions, just allegations. but there are a lot of them at this point. peggy noonan. >> let's move, the nihlst, the bomb white house assumes it will happen to them, thus they can do pretty much what they want. what they forget is that facts largely decide what the history thinks. history will be written by liberals, fair enough and they will judge harshly because he has failed to do anything to last. keystone will pass and a veto overridden and the president has failed liberals through unpopularity which is another word for incompetence, ray, obviously not a fan of the
president, what do you think of the piece? >> i think there's a lot of chapters to be written this the obama presidency. she makes the point that liberals are disappointed and i think they are. i talk to them and they say, how come he will not go big. the people on the other side are people that will not agree with anything. how come he comes in prebaked and willing to compromised no matter what he says, the people that consider themselves his political opponents are never going to give him an inch. they cannot understand why the president precompromises, comes in at his final number and then sees that start to tear down. >> all right, we are going to bring in chief white house correspondent for political michael ennow, with the morning playbook. one of the lead stories this morning, j governor chris christie is finding little 2016 support from his fellow governors. >> govern eor christy was a gra
sl slam, was a big part of his comeback story. he raised $100 million traveling the country can. but at the big annual meeting, jake sherman asked some of the governors that he helped elected, if governor christie runs for president, will you elect him? those governors said he is a great guy, but we are not going to commit to him yet, he can run if he wants to. he got a lot out of this. he said that he does not begrudge the governors for holding back. he said, they cannot commit if i won't commit, it would be presumptuous of me to say will you back me if i sflun. >> what is the grassroots
opinion of chris christie, what is the feeling about him among republicans across the country? >> well, as you know, represent cans feel he would be a very strong match up with hilary clinton. the way that one top republican said it to me, he is the only guy that hilary clinton cannot be sure she could beat. along with jeb bush. how does he get to that match up? so the question is, could he navigate iowa? people think he probably could play fine in new hampshire, it's how do you get to that match up? it would be the same issue with governor jeb bush, probably strong against hilary clinton. hard to see how he gets through a republican primary where they are not going to like his stand on immigration and common core, what the represent condition voters call obama core. >> and democrats bet big on
demographics why many think the president's action on executive action in immigration will pay off in a big way. what are they saying? >> it pulls back the curtain on what happened last night and makes the point that it's a bet on the emerging voting groups. socially progressive younger voters and latino hispanic voters. democrats, the president's party may face a backlash among white voters in the south, and in to the rust belt for the immigration action, but in a state like virginia and florida, both so important in a presidential race of course you have populations there where it will be popular. >> michael en, itke -- mike all. it's friday. >> it friday! >> this is -- i'm going read this, i'm going deeper, okay, she said this, and harold, i
want to know what could be done avoid this. in recent years president obama has repeatedly turned to nominees with close ties to wall streelt for high level positions. the president's choice for treasure t treasury's highest position, and the president tabbed stanley fisher, a bank of america executive, was put in charge of international trade in the commerce department. the two recent picks for commodities futures trading commission, are lawyers that spent their careers representing big financial institutions. she guess on to say, it's time for the obama administration to loosen the hold that wall street banks have over economic policy making. sure, big banks are important, but running this economy for american femaamilies is a lot m important. >> her premise is right, but if
the wall street bankers are dominating the administration, they are doing a poor job of drafting policy for wall street, because wall street is complaining. they raise the point of what liberals are thinking. government does not work if one group thinks they are going to control it. it's wrong to think that. there's nothing wrong with compromise. elizabeth warren can say she is opposed to the nominees that the president put forward. but i would challenge conservatives and liberals alike to call this president an over compromiser or precompromiser if he deserved that title, that would be a good thing. that means we get more things done in washington. one of the things that i think the times is off, i think the president could have gotten more from the republicans before doing this, i would love to see the minimum wage increase. >> right, where are the bargaining chips being used? >> i don't think they are being
used effectively. liberals complain that he is not liberal enough and he should put more on the table. look, government should work, it's main function is to work for every family, regardless of how much they lobby. >> in terms of platform, it does not work. >> elizabeth warren should push, push the minimum wage, if you want to work with republicans and you think he is compromising too much, layout a plan that will allow democrats and liberals alike to get more of what they want. i don't see enough of that coming out of the liberal wing of my party and for that matter even the white house at times. >> do you think elizabeth warren has a point? >> i think she does and to the congressman's point, it's all about moving forward the president has done what he can in the areas he is called upon. there's no surprise in what he is doing. he signaled all the things long before he took action. >> up next on "morning joe,"
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>> last night, people tuned in to the president's speech across the country in places like oregon, arizona and texas, it was an emotional moment for immigrants. the latin grammys were briefly delayed as the full house of musicians and celebrity watched on the big screen. and joining us now from capitol hill, the income chair woman, linda sanchez, great to have you on this morning. >> thank you for having me. >> it was certainly a big moment and i -- i applaud what the president did the. that's where i stand on it. but having said that, i want to ask can you about the poll particular -- i want to ask you about the politics there was a bit of a lecture of the president about him having no choice here. and mitch mcconnell lecturing back on how the government works. given dynamic of what happened over the past 24 hours, why would is house gop be more
inclined to pass a bill? >> the house gop made a promise that they would take up the issue of immigration reform and they did not come through on the promise. the step last night was a huge step forward and it may propel them to sit down and think seriously about proposing something. because they have done nothing. and so, i think in the grand scheme of things -- >> but isn't it a step forward politically? because might he have said, look, i'm going to do this, unless you and then given them time to pass a bill? >> we have been waiting more than 500 days. that is more than a year for the republicans in the house to put up a bill on a yes or no vote. all they have to do is schedule the vote. they don't have to write something, it was worked out overwhelmingly passed in the senate on a bipartisan basis. that is democrats and
republicans. and he promised, the speaker promised he would take it up and then back tracked on that. so, you know, republicans have never really wanted to work with the president. they want to thwart attempts to move the country forward and take care of our country's business and then when nothing gets done because they fail exercise leadership, they love to point the finger of blame at others. the fact of the matter is, the president has been urging the speaker of the house for more than a year to put something on the floor. and it has not happened. and you know, these sudden, you know, cries from the republicans side, we need more time, we need more night titime, it's disinge >> i'm not saying that they are whining, i'm wondering in the president's decision was politically strategic? >> well --
>> i'm asking ray, hold on, and then it will go to you. >> >> he set a high bar for himself. he had promised action when he began this congress if the house did not act. the house did not act, many people were urging him to make this announcement before the just completed elections. he didn't do it. now, the pressure was really going to rachet up and he moved. >> all right, harold ford, jr.? >> congresswoman sanchez, good mo morning. >> good morning. >> we heard people say he acted how he did last night, do you take them at their word that it poisons the well and may make it difficult to move and find progress on other issues from either the minimum wage to energy to health care to other issues that are important to the democratic caucus?
>> i will tell you that i don't believe that there was ever any intention to really compromise and sit down and try the to work on areas where we can find common ground and i think they look for excuses not to really work with the president on the business that the country needs to get to. >> right. >> you talk about tax reform this year. i sieve on the -- i serve on the ways and means committee, we tried to work with the republican chairman of the committee to try to get it done and it was their side that derailed the attempt and not the democrats. they promise, we want to really work on this and we need more time and the reality is they don't have any intention of trying to compromise and workout differences in areas where we may have common ground. >> all right. >> and i think they use the issue of immigration to do what, you know, secretly they want to do anyway, which is just try to
thwart attempts to get anything moving in the congress. >> all right. >> congresswoman linda sanchez, thank you for being up early with us. we appreciate your time. >> my pleasure. >> javier, let's take it all told, does the action the president took make the comprehensive immigration reform, everyone agrees it needs to take place, and disagrees on how to get there, does it make it more likely or less likely to get something done next year? >> sadly the only thing more broken than our immigration system is our congress. i hope and pray that there will be leadership from both sides of the aisle. they need to work collaboratively to find an answer for the american people. >> do you think it will happen? >> i surely hope so and i think the american business has spoken loudly on this, small business
has. voices like lowell mcadams at verizon, randal stevenson in at&t and goldman sachs have called for clarity and movement forward, we want immigration reform. >> thank you very much, both of you for being on this morning. coming up next, one of our favorite jimmy kimmel bits. celebrities reading mean tweets about themselves. we will be right back. (vo) you are a business pro. solver of the slice. teacher of the un-teachable. you lower handicaps... and raise hopes. and you...rent from national. because only national lets you choose any car in the aisle... and go. you can even take a full-size or above, and still pay the mid-size price.
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was brave forecasti ining him ie role. we send our best, she just loft her mom four weeks a ago, this has been a tough thing for this them. what a great, great, well lived life and we thank him for all the wolf people and art he has delivered to so many generations. >> with we leave the hour, do you have mean tweets for us? i promised people mean tweets. >> nothing that i can read outloud. >> okay, i promised them mean tweets. >> i thought things for me. >> i don't want to hear the tweets you get, i get them too. >> we go to jimmy kimmel, another edition of mean tweet thes. this is where celebrities read mean tweets that people have written about them. >> gwyneth paltrow, you ugly [
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♪ getting used to wexler in my ear, sunrise over d.c., i got it, thank you, wex, welcome back to "morning joe." harold ford, jr., and thomas roberts is here with me at the desk and matt lewis is here with us. >> a die-hard orioles fan.
>> is he? >> yes. >> i kind of like him for that. i love baltimore. >> we love him for it. >> i need to get the hopkins mug, i need to get it out of my bag. a massive snow storm is going to wrap up after poupdi inpounding buffalo region. the storm is now blamed for ten delega deaths. flooding will be an issue as well. nbc meteorologist dylan dreier will join us. >> it is amazing when we talk to dill skpylan and bill, what is , the temperatures, we will see that they go from 21 in just about three days up to 60 plus. >> oh, my lord. >> so there will be flooding
issues. and roof concerns for so many homes. >> this is still very much a developing story, i think what the after affects of this will be playing out for days. all right, let's get to the big, big news on immigration this morning. last night in a speech to the nation, the president made the emotional case for wide ranging immigration reform, with a nod to the political blow-back that lies ahead. the president heads to las vegas to curry favor for the plan that he said focuses on deporting felons not families. the white house said that the plan shifts resources to the border and extreme -- stream lines immigration reform. it will allow workers to come here and work longer especially in the high tech industry. and it protects 5 million people. he argued that every president since eisenhower has taken
executive action on immigration, it's clear he is a wear of the politics ahead. >> do not be a disagreement on a single issue be a deal breaker on every issue. that's now how democracy works and congress should not shutdown the government because we disagree on this. >> republicans are outragesed and the presidents top leaders are using his words against him. >> the president has said before he is not kin, and he is not an emperor, but he is acting like one. and he is doing it in a time when the american people want nothing more than for us to work together. >> he was talking about immigration that day. i know that some wesh i could by-pass congress and change the law myself. but that is not how democracy works. indeed, mr. president, it isn't. >> it was looked at the previous comments on executive authority and what he is saying now.
according to the site, it is false when he said his had position has not changed. but there's division among the gop on how best to respond to the president. many top legislators and governors are considering legal action. some are pushing for budget strikes and others have dangled the idea of a shutdown and others still won't fully rule out impeachment. >> appropriation bill is one area where the senate and congress can prioritize spending and we can defund areas of president obama's lawlessness and we should do so, so use the power of the purse. >> are you worried about the political blow-back on the republicans if they do it some. >> not if it's targeted and limited. what are we talking about? denying a couple of million dollars in spending in month, it's not threatening government shutdown or anything drastic. >> third would be to cut out of the appropriation's bills those funds that would fund this, that is the progressive effort of this moving forward.
but, i don't want to do the last thing, i don't want to do the " "i" word. >> some republicans urge caution, lindsey graham said if you over react, it becomes about us and not about president obama. matt lewis, is the president acting like an emperor or what could he have done to prompt action like he did last night? >> well, the emperor word is something that president obama brought up. that comes from him. i know, everybody is going to talk and say the republicans are calling him that that, he has said multiple times that this is not legal. what he did last night and what he said he was going to do was beyond his purview as president. and congress would have to do it and he said i'm not an emperor i can't do that. i think there's a temptation for
republicans to kind of use his language against him. it's a bad idea probably. i think i'm with the majority of americans on this. i think most of the policies are good policies, but the problem is that the way our system works the way democracy works is, this has to go through the legislative process. that is best for everybody. >> it not going to happen, matt, and i'm not going -- i'm trying not to -- you know what side of this i'm on. but it's -- do you think something would have happened had the president not done what he did last night? do you think we would have had a bill? come on, nothing would have happened. do we agree on that? >> i don't think, well with, it's hard to tell what might have happened over time. i agree that not within the next couple of weeks or even months. but i think it's less likely now that we will have a bipartisan consensus on this. where people like me, who have been arguing in favor of immigration reform actually now have a harder time making the
argument to conservatives and republicans because of the over-reach. he has poisoned the well on it. >> couldn't they approximatespa? >> i think it's a disservice to hispanics ultimately. the fundamental problem, i think, is the precedent it sets. if a president can just rewrite had this law, what can't a president do? and so -- >> but you are acting like it has never happened before and it's an incredibly strange. it has happened before. the presidents have issued executive orders before. >> i think it's unprecedented. if you look at what president reagan did, i'm proud he tackled immigration reform. when ronald reagan and george hw bush tweaked the law, that is different, they were operating on a law that had recently passed and they were fixing sort of using their authority to make
fixes to a law that congress had just approved. vastly different than what president obama is doing. there's no law for him to base these on. and in fact, he is going against what the voters just told him two weeks ago. >> i'm picking on matt, harold ford, jr., i don't mean to, couldn't the republicans still do something in response to this that would produce results? >> one would hope that is the reaction. >> i think they could. >> let's layout a couple of facts. this is good policy that the president laid out and what he has done is different than what he said he was going to do, because he said that he could not act alone. th matt is correct. and it will have affect on other legislation in the congress. which is a equal and bigger concern of mine. taxes, health care, energy, minimum wage, there's a number of things and the president will need republicans support on the continuing avalanche of foreign
policy changes. the timing is a little provocati provocative, was it the right time to do it should he have given congress time? and if they did not act, he acts. that is a legitimate question and one had the white house has to answer, particularly if they cannot get other things advanced. >> let's try and be productive. everyone could find something wrong with what has happened and how the republicans are responding and we can sit and argue about that. but matt, could the new republican congress, maybe perhaps respond with a bill? >> well, look, i think they could and i think they should. i mean, the problem is, i think that president obama was trolling republicans, i think that what he has been hoping to do is to actually, i believe that the democrats essentially want to own, they want to be the party of immigration reform. and that by doing this, he actually makes it harder for people like me who believe in
immigration reform. and i think the danger is republicans will over react. and it does not even have to be a leadership. it could just be a back bench member of congress that says something horrible now that will dominate. so my advice is look, i think republicans should tune it out and go about doing their business and i think they should pass a series of immigration reform bills that can start with border security, but they cannot end there. it has to continue. i personally believe in a path way to citizenship. assuming people meet all sorts of criteria along the way. >> don't tell anyone i agree with a lot of what you are saying. first, you have some news on the form president, jimmy carter? >> it's great that matt talks about the context of former presidents and when executive orders have happened in the past, we sat down with jimmy carter, former president, in a wide ranging discussion and they discussed everything from voting
laws to edward snowden and recurring criticism on the right. >> john mccain, reaching for the worst possible insult for president obama earlier this year said this, i have never seen anything like this in my life, i thought jimmy carter was bad, but he pales in comparison to this president in my opinion. the serious question is, what does it feel like and what is your response to these moments of being used as an insult? your legacy being used a as an insult? >> that is a compliment for me coming from a war -- i was lucky enough when i was president to keep our country at peace and to provide peace for others. i was lucky enough to go through my four years, with he never dropped a bomb or fired a missile or shot a bullet. >> wow, okay. here with us now from washington we have nbc news political
director and moderator of "meet the press" chuck todd, who is the author of the stranger, barack obama in the white house. i wonder when you watch today president if he adhered to the narrative in your book as opposed to being consiliatory, do you feel he had no choice? >> he well, yes, of course was politically provocative. they knew they were doing that and i think there was different clae calculations that they made. i think they regret that they waited. i think the senate democrats over panicked and over reacted, and they are right, had he announced it this earlier, some would have lost by big more points. there's regret that they did not do it sooner. they worried about credibility with hispanic activists and he put the republicans in the box.
they have control of congress. you know, that line, pass a bill. look, i think there's people that are going be okay with the policy that was announced and not like how he went about doing it. right? so, that's the box the republicans are in because what he announced is not something that is offensive to the american people. what they don't like is how he went about doing it. they wish washington do it in a more functional manner, all of those things. but the policy itself is not that unpopular, which is why i think it does put the onus on the republicans they have to put their money where their mouth is. >> chuck, good morning, harold ford, you look at congress and how they behave and treat the president. the president traveled to china and announced that the internet should be regulated like an old telephone monopoly that angered congress. and he now takes this step, what
does it mean going forward, play it 3 to 6 months going forward. other important issues and obviously the avalanche of foreign policy challenges, does the president now have not only a different congress and republican congress to deal w perhaps a more polarized congress to deal with in the coming months? >> it could, it will be interesting to see how mcconnell a and boehner handle their base. it's the base conservatives that would like to be more aggressive. they feel the president is being away aggressive against them. fight fire with fire, if it means using the power of the purse, threatening government showdowns when it comes to funding, so beit. now the leadership does not want that. they are kind of hoping that the way to challenge the president, have the lawsuit, maybe it's the state of texas, constituent of ok -- state of oklahoma, but states are pondering the idea of
suing the president over it and trying to get the courts to do it. but i don't know if it changes the relationship with -- i guess i just don't believe that things would be any better or worse if he did this now or didn't. >> all right, we have one more for you, chuck, this is on obama-care. thomas? >> the department of health and human services acknowledging that it made acceptable mistakes for including dental plans. this error added 380 dental subscribers to the roles raising the total sign ups to over 7 million. once the numbers were readjusted it puts the enrollment below. and the administration was using the number as the benchmark goal. the cbo set it out there. this error came to light through the house oversight and government reform committee. this is adding insult to injury
after all of the gruber comments have come to light and the numbers have been a lynch pin of bragging rights, so how do they spin it? >> they have to have a better second year number. i think at the end of the day, 6.7 to 7.1, if they are within 400,000, or 500,000, of the second is year number, it's not such a big deal. now they revise the second year estimate down, and now this is being revised down. they have to start worrying that they have -- that they've got a marketing issue here with the plan itself. but, you know -- >> all right. >> i think it proves that they are not anti-dentites. >> that is it. there you go. thank you very much. chuck, what do you have on "meet the press" on sunday? >> we are going to do a lot of focus on immigration and do a look at energy and how it is
totally changed some of our foreign policy attack whattacks comes to iran and russia and our economy here at home. >> we will be watching that sunday morning on "meet the press." thank you. come canning up, aaron shock and brooke shields and we go live to a snow weary buffalo to say the least. where dylan is standing by somewhere underneath the snow banks. josh earnest is our guest. you are watching "morning joe," we will be right back. get to the terminal across town. are all the green lights you? no. it's called grid iq.
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immigrants. we were striangers once too and whether our forebarers crossed the pacific or the rio grand, we are here because the country welcomed them in and taught us that being american is more than what we look like, what our last names are or how we worship. >> that does not sound like an emperor to me, it sounds like a leader. good to have you back on the show, gary. he is the co-author of latino america, how america's most dynamic population is poised to transform the politics of the nation. what do you think the impact of the president's action will be if the republicans don't come back in kind with the bill? >> i think in the short-term, it's going to dramatically improve the lives of a lot of people who are here just trying
to earn a living and support their family. it's going to protect them from the threat of deportation and the threat of family division. i think it's going to be a big political win for the president, in terms of support for his party's success on the democratic ticket. >> some of the things that republicans have said in the last few days and they screamed about last night, i happen to agree that the presidents remarks were on point. some feel it's going to serve as an invitation for people to come to the border with the hopes that they will be legal. do you think it's a valid criticism of the president? >> i don't think it's a legitimate criticism, it suggests that any action that addresses the situation of the 11 million undocumented in the united states would create more undocumented. the policy is very clear.
that it does not address anyone who has been here a short period of time and it prioritizes deport tagzs, folks that arrived after january 1st of this year and it redirects border enforcement to the border to try to make sure that no additional people cross. so, i think it's actually a rational policy. if the idea is that if you do anything about the undocumented that you invite more the only logical solution is to do nothing forever and i don't think that is viable. >> do you think the president should have programmed tried to work behind scenes with congress before taking bold action? >> i think that that's a talking point from the right. but i don't think it's a realistic view. to believe that that would have worked is to believe that a republican congress, which has been obstructionist for four years is taking control of the senate and going to be in the
mood for more compromise. the house of representatives has had 500 days plus to act on a bipartisan senate bill or offer their own and they have done absolutely nothing. >> gary, thank you very much. we want to go to the white house now, white house press secretary josh ernest joins us now. josh, let's get right to the heart of the fight. >> let's do it. >> the republicans blasted the president ahead of his address, using his own words against him. take a listen, boehner/mcconnell. >> the president said he is not an emperor, but he is sure acting like one. and he is doing it in a time when the american people want us to work together. >> he was talking about immigration that day. i know that some wish that i could bypass congress and change the law myself. but that's not how democracy works. indeed mr. president, it isn't. >> okay, but this is not
democracy working either. first of all, is he acting like an emperor, it is a new congress, should he have gone behind the scenes and said, let's see if we can work together and give a window of time and come up with something and pass it? >> i will say a couple of things. if he was a king or e in mperor, he would have implemented the bipartisan senate bill that passed the law 500 days ago. he asked the attorney general to review the authority he had under the law and he used every element of the law within the confines of the law to reform the immigration system. and that is what he did last night and it's entirely consistent with the way that the president bush, president george hw bush tried to address that when they were president. as it relates to waiting to the next congress, 2 or 3 days after
the mid term elections, speaker boehner was asked if he intended to bring i mmigration reform to the new congress. he would not commit to doing so it's a clear indication that we cannot wait for them to act to this. we need something acted to right now and the president delivered last night. >> i found parts of the speech to be beautiful as it pertained to what this country is businessbusiness -- is based on and the concepts and immigrants. having said that, he lectured the republicans and we got lectures back from the other side and we are hearing lectures on both sides. is it warmer behind the scenes, how do we get to a point where we get action that is not just one side kicking the other over the edge? >> i mean, as it relates to the president's speech right now, i
do think that everyone who watched the speech last night could tell that the president was speaking to the heart. he was talking about the values that animated his commitment to public life for the last couple of deck a aades and he was talk about what he believes the united states of america can and should be. i think the steps he announced last night are consistent with those values, those are the kind of values that the democrats and republicans across the country can will say they share, and people that did not vote for the president or are supporters of the president understand how the steps that he announced last night are consistent with the kinds of of values that we embrace as americans. >> what is that -- at this point, since we are here, almost -- what is happening behind the scenes? has he reached out to republicans? is there any attempt to negotiate on this or is that over on this point? >> well, i think we consider the announcement that the president made last night a first step in trying to fix the broken immigration system. the president is standing ready to work with democrats and
republicans. we have a good temporalate for that. we have a great template for the congress to take up legislation and work with the administration and try to advance it through the senate and the house. the president would be happy to do that. it would be good for the economy and good for job creation and good for border security and good for reducing the deficit. there's a whole host of reasons to make progress on a piece of common sense legislation like that. and the president is ready to do it. if the congress passes legislation, the president will rip up the legislation made last night. >> what about the idea that it's a change in tune and a change in substance in the president when he said he could not do it alone. how does the white house or president respond to that? >> he cannot implement the senate bill, we need the house of representatives to pass the senate bill and that means we need house republicans to stop
blocking the bill. he did everything that he could within the confines of of the law to use his executive authority to repair the broken immigration system. that is not as much authority as congress has in the matter. what the president did yesterday was of consistent with steps that were taken by president george hw bush, and president reagan. what president obama did is consistent with what president reagan did. when bush tried to fix broken aspects of the system, expanded legislation that congress passed to include 40% of the undocumented population in the country at that time. so, president george hw bush took a sweeping step to try to address problems president obama did the same thing last night. >> all right, josh ernest, good to see you, thank you very much. >> thank you for the opportunity guys. have a good friday. >> thanks, you too, coming up actress brooke shields remembers her remarkable career and how
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welcome back to "morning joe," finally january is going to end, or the weather we are experiencing. what happened in buffalo is tragic, now the deg dths are upo 12. dylan dreyer has been there covering the story. you were in jersey and you lived in boston for a long time, people cannot relate and picture this. you were in one of the most intense bands in your life that you have been in your life, try to explain it to people, they see snow every year and not compare it to what you saw. >> i'm used to snow. i grew up with it, boston, we cover nor'easters all the time. you saw the stuff i was tweeting yesterday. you could not see two feet in front of you and we got stuck in the snow bank because of the white out conditions. here, covers are buried in snow and in walmart, there's several people that were living there
for the last five days. monday, they are making their own community there. and communities all across the area, they are finally breathing a sigh of relief that the snow is over. but now, they feel the concern of the long lasting impact of the snow. widespread concern this morning that a year's worth of snow over a few days is too much to the bare. >> we have been deing with reports of collapsing roofs. >> reporter: no sooner than the snow stopped that the residents were getting the snow off of their roofs. >> i looked up and had a 16-foot crack between the wall and ceiling. >> reporter: patients were evacuated over concerns that the roof would not hold. crews are working around the clock to clear the streets. here, more than 30 people have been stranded in a walmart since monday. >> i know exactly where my vehicle is, it's under 10 feet
of snow in the main entrance. >> their cars buried. these guys have camped out, where else? in the entertainment section and in the automotive section. when we left, we got stuck too. a plow helped ous out of the walmart parking lot. the buffalo bills will have to hit the road as well. the game against the jets has been moved to someplace that is not in snow. and the nfl has announced that the game will be played monday night in detroit in ford field, which is a domed field, so snow will not be an issue and as for the people in the walmart, they can dig out their car cs today, but there's travel bans so they cannot get to road until that is lifted and the concern with the flooding this week. it's one thing after another. >> i'm sure everyone is glad that the snow was over.
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member of the weiays and means committee. and political analyst jeff greenfield. his book is now out in paperback. good to have you back. >> good to be here. >> what is the president doing with the action last night? >> i cannot assess motives, i don't know if he is sticking an eye in the republican party or not, sure, if he is not intending to it, it sure happened. and one of the things that happened, if you step back a minute, to me, it's having the same impact as the less fortunate comments that the president on the health care plan. where the debate immediately is moving away from the substance of what he is doing to how he do it. the same statement, if you like your doctor, you can keep it, dominated the discussion of health care, what we are hearing now is the debate whether he
exceeded his constitutional authority. and i think the idea, this is somehow, when i hear people say, cooler heads will prevail, i don't believe that for a minute. i don't think we have seen it for the last six years by and large. in the wake of the election and the act, whether it's legal or not is provocative, it's going to make the less calm members of your caucus enraged. so, i know i don't mean to come out here on the eve of thanksgiving and be pessimistic, but bet the under on my meaningful accomplishment. >> let's ask a member of congress, will cooler heads reisrar prevail? >> on what issue? >> on this issue. will there be a bill? will had there be an outcome that is consilcilitory?
>> the president has blown up the trust. so, it kind of stopped any progress in the house. our hope was now, with the republican senate that no only immigration reform, but the other 380 bills that we passed with bipartisan votes in the house will get to the senate and get to the president's desk so we can negotiate. >> josh earnest said he will rip it up if he come up with a bill. >> any immigration bill, the president said if you do not like what i have done, pass a bill. i think congress should. i have been pushing for on it. it will not be a massive bill like the senate passed. we will do a border security bill like we did had in the homeland security that passed unanimously, and a visa expansion and deal with the dream act kids. so, we have solutions on to these problems. the problem is harry reed said we are not taking your bill and
the house said we are not taking the senate bill and we were in a stand still. which is why it did not get done. now after the election, we have the ability to get our ideas to the president's desk so we can negotiate with him. >> jack? >> very simple question. is the republican house caucus and the republican senate caucus now more or less charitably disposed to comprehensive immigration, i would say less. >> after his actions? >> after the election? the new republican senators from what i saw, they are not inclined to embrace anything approaching comprehensive immigration reform and i think some of the new house members are the same. and they are the ones that are going to get the most attention fairly or not. last night, if i may, last night, watching your network and fox. >> oh, that must have been fun. >> cnn was covering college costs, which is another thing. who did hannity book? michelle bachmann and he did not book you, did he? and i think --
>> that is not his fault. i mean, don't pick on aaron. he is a good guy. >> i'm sympathizing with aaron, that is not who the folks are turning to. and i can't understand -- >> that feeds to your point, the method at which the president is using that will be the distraction to getting something done. so congressman, last night in listening to the president, what was aggravating to the methodology to the president's executive action, leading with border security and leading with wanting to do immigration reform and talking about protecting american families, not felons. what was aggravating to your ear about that approach? >> what was aggravating was had that i agreed with a lot of what he said, but i did not deal with his action. his executive action tammys to do legislatively what he wants the congress to do. that is getting around the operation of powers of our congress. he talks about a visa program
for people that are in college that he wants to keep. he talks about border security, additional bored security. so, this is not just another clinton, regan bush type order. it's sweeping and so what was aggravating from my standpoint was mr. president, if you really want to do those step by step issues you just outlined then come work with congress. >> what's the part, jeff, from your covering presidents over decades and the strategies for negotiation, and the behind the scenes part, is there something missing from this process, was the president's action last night provocative because it missed something else? >> what is missing is what has changed completely in washington. every time i hear the auction about well, this is what reagan and tip o'neal used to do. >> right. >> i mean, this is what clinton and newt gingrich used to do. >> everything looks good in retrospect. >> that is right. and there's a change here. you know, part of the thing that
i was thinking about, was back five years ago when the republicans drew lines in the sands in first weeks after obama's inaugural, a lot of them said this is good for us, because the american power pl-- public does not like obstructionism. do you think it has hurt the republican party? >> yes. >> take a look at the mid terms. >> we have passed bills ou s ou the house. i'm tired of hearing how republicans were obstructionists, we have passed 380 bills. >> all right, willie geist sits down with brooke shields, next on "morning joe." holiday music ) hey! i guess we're going to need a new santa
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brooke shields' legendary jean commercials, which she says she still has some in storage. she's here to talk about her new book. good morning, good to see you. >> thank you. >> the most important news out of this book, not only do you still have those jeans, they still fit you. >> my mom saved everything. she saved two pairs from that commercial. one, i gave to the met, as one does with their jeans. >> of course, old jeans. >> ah, give them to the met. the other one, they go up so far. >> well, it was a different time. >> it looks like sausage encased. >> but they fit. to your great credit. let's talk about what this book is and what it's not. >> okay. >> this is not, like, your life story. this is the story with your mother. and i think the impression that people have -- some people
anyway, of your relationship with your mother, that it was kind of a mommy dearest thing. she put you in "pretty baby" when you were 12 and the commercial when you were 15. that's not really the way it was though, was it? >> it's not. i'm not trying to discredit that we did do all of those things. but the main sort of point that i was trying to make is i wasn't a victim. you know, i wasn't -- we weren't making career decisions as to what meant any difference now to the next job, to the next, the next. we were just in this business. we were sort of taking what was offered to us. if it worked, if it paid, if we were able to get a car, a house. you know. we sort of just did these willy-nilly jobs. >> was there any part of you later in life that looks back and says, ooh, "pretty baby," maybe i was too young for that? >> no, those are the more enduring pieces of art that i'm
involved with. there's plenty of other things whether it's a brooke at all or a bizarre jeans campaign that failed or all of a sudden now selling shampoo or whatever the thing is, you know, that i was -- secret. underarm. you know, those are the things that i sort of look and think, that's a disconnect. how do you start with "pretty baby" and that's the trajectory of your career. that's, a, giving my mom a lot of credit for even thinking of a plan. and also thinking that, you know, there was something about those -- those particular jobs that were important. and i think we knew it. you know, we knew we were doing something unique when we did the commercials. we were making commercials that were a minute long that were supposed to be played in movie theaters. and at the last minute, they pulled then and said, oh, they'll never be advertising in movies. we were able to be at the forefront of some of that stu and that's what was fabulous
about it. but that's not a sexy story. sexy story is the drunk mother who sells her daughter into prostitution. like that's the headline -- >> knowing you and how grounded you are and how in touch and present in people's lives you are with your husband and your kids. i read this book and i say, my god, look at the life she's lived. is it ever crazy to you that you didn't stumble somewhere along the way there? >> for the longest time, i didn't know why i was -- why i was graced, you know, why i was saved. why there was this sort of saving grace about it. i used to attribute it to everybody else. but i do think there was something -- i have to now start owning up to something. there's a bit in my character that will not be the victim. >> i have to ask you because there's this big chunk at the end of the book dedicated to you being at the bedside of your mother as she's dying. and it is absolutely gut
wrenching when you read what you two have been through together, to say good-bye. you describe it as the moment you feared all your life. what was it like? it was during hurricane sandy. there you are, running on generators at a hospital in new york. there's your mom. you watching her leave you. >> it's nothing -- you know, i wouldn't have had it, excuse me. any other way. i knew i needed to be there because i never would have forgiven myself. but it's a horrific thing. there's no hallmark moment. you know, there's no -- and it's not even a exhale like it is in the movies. and it's -- there's something bizarre, there's something kind of freakishly funny, there's something psychotically horrible. you're watching it, thinking, okay, i'm going to get this, i'm going to understand it. i'm going to internalize it. and i don't know anything more
about it now than i did before, you know, it's like ah. >> i think you turned to the nurse and said, is this it? >> yeah, she was doing -- >> she was busy. >> she had a lot on her plate that day. >> brooke, i can't say enough good things about this book and what an incredible life you and your mother had together and now what an incredible mother you are and wife and it's just been fun to get to know you. you must read this book. it's called "there was a little girl." the real story of my mother and me. thank you, brooke. we'll be right back with more "morning joe."
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if you register, pass a criminal background check and you're willing to pay your fair share of tax, you'll be able to apply to stay in this country temporarily without fear of deportation. you can come out of the shadows and get right with the law. all we're saying is we're not going to deport you. i know some of the critics of this action call it amnesty. well, it's not. amnesty is the immigration system we have today. >> good morning. it is friday, november 21st. welcome to "morning joe." can you believe it's friday? it's sort of been a long week. that was the president last night. pretty amazing speech. with us on set, we have msnbc political analyst, visiting professor at nyu, harold ford jr. did the president do well? >> thought he gave a good
speech. >> good speech. controversial? >> no doubt about it. >> the president and ceo of united states hispanic chamber of commerce, javier palamerez joins the table. good to have you on board for just this reason. and in washington, the host of al jazeera america's "inside story" ray suarez. thank you very much for being on this morning. before we get to i grammigratiod the big conversation about that, we want to start this morning in upstate new york where a massive snowstorm is expected to wrap up finally after pounding the buffalo region in the last few days. this has been breaking news over the past 36 hours. the storm now being blamed for at least ten deaths after dropping more than seven feet of snow in some areas. seven feet. roof collapses are a major concern. with warmer temperatures expected this weekend, flooding will be an issue as well. nbc's lester holt has more on this. >> reporter: more than 100 patients evacuated in this nursing home in chicktogowa when
the roof showed signs of collapsing. >> there's a potential for it. >> reporter: more than 2 dozen people driven from the roads by whiteout conditions and deep snow have been holed up in this walmart store since tuesday. >> couldn't ask for a better place to be stranded. >> reporter: from the air, we could see entire sections of the buffalo area painted in white. rooftops that look as if they've been slathered in whipped cream. >> we worked our way south of buffalo and it gets a lot worse. these are unplowed streets. we can count dozens of cars that were stopped in their tracks, barely the roof is visible. it's like "the day the earth stood still." >> reporter: there are neighborhoods still cut off, surrounded by chest deep snow. we venture down one cul-de-sac on foot where we can only shout a conversation with mary ann. have you ever seen it like this.
>> i've never seen it like this. >> reporter: officials say they're doing their best to reach those facing emergencies and are reminding home brown residents to take precautions. >> you're looking at the latest photos from the buffalo bills football stadium which is covered in snow. their scheduled game on sunday against the jets have been moved to monday night at ford field at detroit. they're trying to get people to shovel it out. that is just impossible at this point. bill karins with the latest. >> these snow total are also off the chart. the highest total we have in is over seven feet of snow in this three-day event. it's really two storms that were separated by one day. all through that area, hamburg with 80 inches. orchard park where the stadium was located was 71. al de n, new york, 56. sarah sent me this picture. she's finally free. a front loader came in overnight and dug her out.
her son climbing the mountain of snow now in her front yard. that snow's not going anywhere. we are going to melt a considerable amount this weekend. we're going to get to 51 on sunday, 61 on monday. it will be a little humid out there too so that melts the snow faster. half-inch of rain. we are worried about flooding. worst damage was done by snow and the weight of the snow. the good news is, over the weekend, warm air builds across the country. are two weeks of january-type weather over with after today. >> bill, we've got the big news now this morning out of washington. in the words of president, we were strangers once too. last night in a speech to the nation, the president made the emotional case for wide-ranging immigration reform. with a nod to the political blowback that lies ahead. curry favor for the plan that he says focuses on deporting felons, not families. the white house says the plan
shifts resources to the boarder, streamlines immigration courts and protects human trafficking victims. it would remove barriers for foreign workers to come here and stay longer, especially in the high-tech industry. but the centerpiece prevents the deportation of as many as 5 million americans. most of whom are the parents of children who were born on u.s. soil. while he argued every president since eisenhower has taken executive action on immigration, it is clear the president is aware of the perilous politics ahead. >> don't let a disagreement over a single issue be a deal breaker on every issue. that's not how our democracy works. and congress certainly shouldn't shut down our government again just because we disagree with this. >> let's look at how "the new york times," first line, president obama chose confrontation over conciliation. i know you support what the president has done. however what could have been more conciliatory in terms of the moves here?
>> i think first and foremost, our association of 3.2 million hispanic owned firms in this country that collectively contribute over $486 billion to the american economy stand in support of the president's action. it is not the panacea that anybody has hoped for. >> i get that. i understand that. you and i are on the same page. could he have been more conciliatory? could he have waited? could he have given him a deadline? >> certainly, i think he could have. the reality of it, there's a bipartisan bill that has sat in the congress now for over a year. we prefer some action versus no action at all. >> ray suarez what do you think? >> well, certainly, there was risk involved for the president, but it might have even been a bigger risk to wait any longer. the president's been calling for congress to act on this for a long time, for years, in fact. congress couldn't even pass the dream act which for a long time was considered the low-hanging fruit of immigration reform. if you couldn't take the most sympathetic immigrants, people
who were brought here as babes in arms in many cases, and make them at least safe from deportation, what little could you accomplish? the house had a long time to do something on this. did nothing. the president was advised by many to act earlier this year in advance of the elections. he didn't. his clock was running. he was under a lot of pressure too. >> yet, willie geist, the republicans already sounding the alarm here. >> it almost goes without saying, republicans are incensed about this. using the president's own words against him now. >> the president has said before he's not kin. and he's not an emperor. but he's sure acting like one. he's doing it at a time when the american people want nothing more than for us to work together. >> he was talking about immigration that day. i know that some wish that i could just bypass congress. and change the law myself. but that's not how a democracy works. indeed, mr. president, it isn't.
>> looked at the president's previous comments on executive authority and what he's saying now. according to the site, it is false when he says his position has not changed. saying the move will only embolden more desperate people to make the dangerous crossing to the united states from mexico. there is key division on how best to respond to the president. many considering legal action. some are pushing for surgical budget strikes. others have dangled the idea of a shutdown. others still will not fully rule out impeachment. >> appropriation bills are the one area in which the senate and congress can prioritize funding. we can defund areas of president obama's lawlessness. we should do so. we should use the power of the purse. that happens all the time. >> -- on the republicans if they do that? >> not if it's very targeted, very limited. what are we talking about? denying a couple million cars worth of spending issuing those
permits? this is not threatening government shutdown or anything drastic. >> a resolution of disapproval. second would be a censure. third would be to cut out of the appropriation bills those funds that would fund this. that's the progressive effort of this moving forward. but i don't want to do the last thing. i don't want to do the "i" word. nobody wants to throw the nation into that kind of turmoil. the president has thrown us into this situation. >> you hear some caution being exercised there. senator lindsey graham joined that chorus. he said, quote, if you overreact, it becomes about us and not about president obama. harold ford, where does this go from here? we've got the executive action. we're going to have a republican house and senate come january. they could pass their own law that the president could then veto. >> the president said do it. pass the bill. >> hopefully they do that. i think first of all, i think the substance of what the president said last night was spot on. there's no doubt these are steps that should have been taken. i think the timing is wrong. it probably would have been better to give the republican new congress three months to have acted on this.
they chose not to, the president would have still had the opportunity to act back on executive action. don't agree with the president or ray on that, this should have been done. interest will be ramifications for there. the republicans warned kwint fra quite frontily before this happened. this issue is important. it may end up being the only issue that gets done over the next several months because republicans are hopefully not stupid enough to try to impeach the president or equally silly and try to shut down government. i do think the democratic party in the congress is going to have reverberations from this and it could be negative. >> do you agree? do you think the timing is perhaps a little bit evocative? putting the republicans in a place where, again, they do what they always do, try and knock down what he's done instead of try and come up with something productive. he could have give be them time to do. >> no doubt, it was provocative. the fact of the matter is, he's the leader. he attempted to lead. i think there's a wonderful
opportunity here for the republican party to look at this as a wonderful option. the reality of it is, there's an amazing electorate. hispanic electorate that is growing by leaps and bounds. every month in this country, 52,000 hispanics turn 18 and become an eligible voter. every 30 seconds, an hispanic turns 18 and becomes an eligible voter. the republicans have an opportunity to ingratiate themselves to that electorate and finishing what has begun long before president obama came along. >> ray, do you think the republicans are going to see this as a wonderful opportunity? >> no, they're not going to see it as a wonderful opportunity. but i think it is clear that in some ways the president has painted them into a corner. it's true when the president says what he's done is very limited. it only is in effect for, in effect, the life of his administration. it cab be rescinded by the next president. it can be overridden by legislation. but do the republicans want to
aggressively move to break up families to start sending people home by using their legislative tools that they've been reluctant to use so far? the president, they're making believe they've never heard of prosecutorial discretion. all he did was move them to the back of the line for waiting to be deported. he can't regularize their status. he didn't do that. do the republicans want to move in there and say no, sorry buddy, you're getting on the next plane? i don't know if they want to do that. >> javier, i know this is a question with a long answer. what is your membership? what do you think hispanics, latinos in general are looking on? what is a sound immigration policy? >> i think comprehensive, permanent. we are an organization that focuses on economic development.
anything that helps entrepreneurs and small business in this country is what we're looking for. there is an opportunity here to illustrate desperately needed leadership and collaboration in this country. that's what american business wants right now, clarity. >> the white house is pushing forward with its pick for a top treasury post. despite growing criticism from democrats. noticeably, senator elizabeth warren. the administration has no plans to pull back on the nomination of antonio weiss, a former global investment banker who critics say helped companies avoid taxes by moving their addresses overseas. in an online op-ed, entitled "enough is enough," senator warren writes, in part, this, it is time for the obama administration to loosen the hold that wall street banks have over economic policymaking. sure, big banks are important. but running this economy for american families is a lot more important. politico describes warren's
growing power in the party as a test for senator schumer who is looking to strike a balance between them. in a poll of thousands of members of the left leaning group democracy for america. she definitely has popularity on left and the far, far left for sure. bill cosby is scheduled to take the stage tonight for a performance, as the list of women accusing him of sexual assault grows. a 57-year-old florida nurse says cosby drugged and raped her in las vegas when she was 19. but she continued to see him. and later asked for and received thousands of dollars from him. >> he changed the course of my life. instead of empowering me like he says he does to people, he made me a victim, and all my life, i've been a victim because of
this. that doesn't go away for all the days of my life. >> the wife of the incredible hulk actor lou ferrigno is also speaking out. claims cosby tried to force himself on her at his home in 1967 but she was able to get away. new york's daily news says it has an exclusive interview with another woman who says the comedian lured her into a hotel room in 1992 and assaulted her. and an actress who appeared in "one flew over the cuckoo's nest" says cosby forced her to perform oral sex in a tonight show dressing room. cosby's attorneys disputed the allegations. saying, the stories are getting more ridiculous. i think people are trying to come up with these wild stories in order to justify why they have waited 40 to 50 years to disclose these ridiculous accusations. the producers of "the cosby
show" break their silence saying the being accusations are beyon knowledge or comprehension. florida is scheduled to appear tonight in melbourne. he did not address allegations last night during a show in the bahamas. in the past, cosby has denied allegations made by other women. has never been criminally charged. >> he's going to have to company out and say something at some point. it's getting away from him. if these allegations are true. it's obviously horrible. that ap interview he did a couple nights ago where he on camera asked the correspondent to edit out the question and his response about this. >> he didn't even respond. >> kind of what i thought was telling. none of this is proven. but he needs to talk about it. >> still ahead, the congressman from california joins the conversation. ahead of the president's event
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it has helped so many of our families. i know for him it is a personal issue. even though whatever else is involved with it, i think at the end of the day, it's going to be about the families that have met him, the families that have interacted with him. i don't think any other senator in this country has taken the time like him to actually go to our homes to meet with us, to actually see how we live. there's a lot of candidates that are running for lower offices that don't even take the time to do that. >> all right. that was an immigration activist from las vegas. one of the so-called dreamers who president obama mentionneedn
his speech last night. joining us now, host of ralston reports, jon ralston. from los angeles, democratic congressman tony cardenes from california, elected by his colleagues to lead the main fund-raising arm for the congressional hispanic caucus. also with us from washington, the host of msnbc's "the rundown," jose diaz-balart. good to have you. jon, the president's heading your way today. what is his strategy to drive the point home? >> las vegas has a large hispanic population. the largest hispanic population in the country at about 7%. he has been to the high school where he's going to sign the executive action twice before, including in january of 2013, when he laid out what he hoped was going to be the immigration reform bill that passed. there's a lot of symbolism here.
but it's also a big favor i think to harry reid who you just met, you just saw. harry reid has talked a lot about astrid silva. the president brought up astrid silva in his speech. what's not as well known is astrid silva's father has been under a deportation order for some time and it appears he is going to be covered by this executive action. >> jose diaz-balart, i'd like you to take it to representative cardenes. first, give me a sense of how you think the president did last night. >> for millions of people in this country who have been living here for more than five years who have u.s. born children or residents in the united states, this is a life changing thing. because even though it's going to be limited for a three-year period, this is going to be the opportunity of millions and millions of families to company out from under the shadows of fear and be able to participate in this country in a way they've
been doing, many of them, for many years, but now they will be able to do so without the fear of disappearing. there are millions of people that every day leave their homes, to drop their children off at the bus stop or to go to work and don't know if they are going to come home at the end of the day because they don't have the papers. this is a life-changing thing for millions of people. and we have to remember, the last six years, 2 million people have been deported from the united states. that's the entire city of houston that has been deported. and this is going to mean a b big -- for millions of people. >> when we look at this and we think about astrid silva and her dad, their situation existed prior to the midterms. and that's painful for their family. it's painful for millions of families that are suffering just
like theirs. but how does this not look just blatantly political from the president not trying to steal the football from the republicans try to get any type of senate from being the ones to helm immigration reform for congress and he's trying to get credit for it, the president that has supported millions of people as jose points out. >> everybody in every elected office has a job. the president is the executive branch. they have a responsibility to exercise and follow through with the laws that have been enacted and the right to interpret them as well. that's what an executive order is about. the one thing i want everybody to understand, this is not just about 4 million undocumented people who are working really hard. it's about over 300 million americans. i say it's really three top issues that we're covering here with this executive action. and that is the economy, the economy, the economy. the president just set in motion an additional close to $4.5
billion over the next five years. >> congressman, why do this now? why not do this? astrid's situation, her father's situation, the situation for millions of people that have been struggling through a broken immigration system has existed and it has languished for a very long time. the president campaigned on this in '08. here we are now in his last two years seeing some type of executive action. and this is now the time where we're seeing the gop-led house, the gop-led senate, saying that they want to lead. take the football on this. and this is just the democrats saying we don't want to give you any credit for immigration reform and getting any type of thunder with the latin community. >> i would love for the republicans to take credit. the 14 republican senators should take credit. they help pass a bill. 68 out of 100 u.s. senators. this is actually instead of bipartisan tripartisan. there were two independent
senators who voted for it and 52 democrats. 68 united states senators voted for this legislation. now it's been sitting in our house. republican-controlled house. for over 500 days. so i think what happened is the president finally said enough is enough. we need to take care of our economy. we need to take care of business. and the bottom line is, like i said earlier, it's not about the president doing anything that congress didn't do. it's about the president doing something to help our economy forward. the congress refuses to do. so he's using his authority to interpret the current laws and he actually did a wonderful job. >> congressman tony cardenes, thank you. thank you very much. still ahead, willie geist goes behind the scenes of "saturday night live's" weekend update as the late-night comedy show enjoys its 40th season on the year. more "morning joe" when we return. ♪ ♪
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chevy chase, tina fey, seth meyers, amy poehler, just a few who made names for themselves on "snl's" weekend update this season. a two-man orananchor team is att famous deck. as they gear up for their seventh "weekend update" here tomorrow night. it's the longest running sketch in "saturday night live" history. over the past 40 years, it has featured some of the biggest names in american comedy. this year, a new team has suited up to deliver the news. >> good evening. welcome to "weekend update." >> this week, president obama travelled to asia to meet with
leaders from china, russia and japan to deal with some pretty tough questions like who wore it best. >> new research shows that reindeer in norway have an unusually high level of radiation from dust due to the 1986 chernobyl meltdown. in fact, you could even say they glow. >> like his friend and predecessor seth meyers, colin is not just an anchor man, he's also snl's co-head writer. joined by one-time "daily show" correspondent michael cha. >> how long have you known each other? did your paths cross before this? >> yeah, what do you think, two, three years? >> no, it's got to be more than that. about three years. >> what do you remember about colin watching him do stand-up? >> like, great hair. >> good takeaway. >> like a white me.
>> was michael the kind of guy who stands out to you? >> i saw him and really just wanted to have him here because i thought he was super funny. >> collins picked up the phone and called michael. in the space of a year, he has gone from guest writer to full-time anchor. >> i remember colin saying would you come in to guest write. i was like, sure. but i didn't know what guest write meant. i thought i would be shadowing a writer and getting coffee. maybe getting a bagel maybe or something like that, but that would be my job. but it wasn't. >> would you intern? >> yeah, that's what i honestly thought. >> as the pair finds its groove, six episodes in, one thing the guys are trying not to do is stop and think about the big seats they fill. >> chevy, jane curtin, norm, colin, jimmy, amy, tina, seth. >> it is crazy when you think about it. we can't think about it, you know, you have to be funny. >> i'm sure you know there are
entire blogs dedicated to this sketch and we're going to grade this week and we're going to -- >> can i just say, listen, just enjoy the show. don't grade it. if it's not funny, just don't laugh. no one's getting hurt. >> i give that an "a." >> thank you. >> colin and michael gave me a behind the scenes peek at "saturday night live" where i learned the secrets of the show's success. through the hallowed, if somewhat sparse halls once walked by the likes of belushi and farley. >> hallway getting narrower like "alice in wonderland." and into the luxurious writers room where "snl" comedy has been born for 40 years. >> photos of anyone's who been a credited writer. conan o'brien. adam sandler. >> while they may not have the instant recognition of conan or larry david, one of them has his first doppelganger.
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welcome back to "morning joe." 46 past the hour. democrats are dealing with some party in fighting when it comes to a far reaching report on the cia's use of torture. several senators were locked in a closed door standoff on thursday with president obama's chief of staff. the lawmakers accuse the white house of siding with the intelligence agency in efforts to scrub key details included in the findings. democrats are reportedly concerns that the release of the report may be dragged out even longer. now that republicans are taking control of congress. senator mark udall, who lost his bid for re-election, is considering options to bypass the white house altogether. and declassify the report without the blessing of the executive branch. thomas. >> the pentagon is not waiting for approval from congress before deploying additional
american troops to iraq. the military suggested that it would wait for legislation, wait on the funding from capitol hill before the mission began. it's still unclear when lawmakers will act on a multibillion dollar request to fund operations against militants. the president announced he would send another 1,500 american troops to the region and train and advise iraqi forces in the fight against isis. >> former president jimmy carter is offering up some criticism of former secretary of state hillary clinton for defending israel's response to rocket attacks over the summer which left thousands of palestinians dead. >> that concerns me s me to som degree. i said earlier my main prayer's to bring peace to israel. you have to do it with justice and fairness to the palestinians. and there's not equality in military power between the palestinians and israel.
i've been to gaza after the attacks in 2008, 2009. every school in gaza was completely destroyed, including the american school. every hospital in gaza was destroyed. >> full interview with president carter will air on his show today at 1:00 eastern right here on msnbc. >> new details emerging about the florida state aluminas who opened fire, wounding three people before being killed by police. officials identify the shooter as 31-year-old myron may of new mexico, an attorney who graduated from fsu in 2005. his family says he returned to florida a few weeks ago, hoping to open a law practice there. investigators say they found journals written by may that led them to believe he was in a state of crisis at the time of shooting and was holding deep fears of the government. just before 12:30 thursday morning, may shot three people at the school's main library as
hundreds were studying for exams. authorities say one shooting victim is in critical condition. another now listed in good condition. the third was treated and released. >> all right. time now for business before the bell. we go to cnbc's sara eisen. the market looks like it's opening up higher this morning. what's driving it? >> well, there is this friday morning celebration. and the driver is central banks. not in this country, but globally. we got some comments very early this morning from europe, the head of the central bank there saying he's open to doing more when it companies to stimulus for europe's economy. also china cut interest rates. that was a surprise. it's basically an indication that easy money, easy policies all over the world, even if they're coming from overseas, continue to drive money into u.s. stocks. and with that said, we are set to open at record highs for the s&p 500, for the dow jones industrial average and 14 1/2 year highs for the nasdaq, the
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who is here to give us the latest effort to take on ebola in west africa. i've been on several airlifts when i was much younger as a journalist and also as a citizen, as a volunteer. you guys are amazing. when there is a disaster anywhere in the world, you swarm the area with the help that is ne needed. for ebola, you guys have got three treatment units in liberia alone, plus what else? >> we've been working this since april. we have the first call from one of our partner hospitals there in april, saying we've got some ebola cases, what can you do for us? we've been providing personal protective equipment. iv fluids for patients. over 4 million relief items. we also mobilized medical teams to go and serve there. >> so part of what you do is to get companies to jump in and try to get the support from wherever you can find it. medical supplies, food, whatever. how has the response been to
getting help to where the problem is, west africa? >> it's an interesting response. i think our government has responded well. maybe a little slowly, but relatively well in terms of setting up these ebola treatment units. we've had great support from our corporate partners who are there with a lot of material aid. this has not caused a lot support from the american public generally. we need support for the efforts we're doing not only right now but considering what we need to do to accomplish long-term goals here. >> thomas. >> when we talk about the situation of the spread, michael, and the containment of that, where does it stand right now? countries like sierra leone, liberia? >> what we're seeing in liberia is the case counts coming down, which is really good news. that's a success story. we should be grateful for that. that's evidence the strategy's working. if you put health workers in there, you give them the materials they need and you train them, you do public information messaging to the people in the community, and it works. this works. now, it's not happening in
sierra leone quite as fast. the numbers are still rising there. guinea seems to be flattening out a little bit too. we've got a new scare in mali. this is not done by any means. >> who are the corporate partners who have been most helpful, you know, because it's -- i think -- were you saying to me this is hard to sell? >> to the general public. think most of the general republican has been the few cases in the united states. the reality is people are dying every day in west africa and that's where we really need to be focused. we need the general public to come stand with us as well. and support us the way they have done in earthquakes and typhoons and those sorts of incidents as well. we need them along. corporate partners have been great. the company backster donated 50,000 bags of iv fluids. and cardinal health just hundreds and hundreds of thousands of items of personal protective gear, masks and gloves and boots and gloun s a.
we need the public to stand up too. >> when we talk about health workers, we have is the extreme situation where we just had the unfortunate loss of a 44-year-old american doctor who passed away after coming back from sierra leone. and then we have the huge example of kaci hickox who came back and was treated with the isolation in maine. from what you're hearing on the inside is that stopping people from wanting to be of service? >> no, it's not stopping people. we've had a tremendous su brt from american doctors and nurses we've contacted, asked them to go. this is really to me the great spirit american compassion. this is what we do. people see a crisis. they know we need a response. they raised their hand to go. we were talking with one of the nurses we placed there in liberia. she was going to go for an eight-week rotation. she said, i'm going to stay longer and do more. this is the great american spirit. >> i know from having been a volunteer and gone on these airlifts, these are hard.
this is grueling hard work that, you know, a lot of people -- >> no, that's true. >> people of ameri cares, like if you want the most fantastic experience of your life, volunteer, donate. >> i just want to say about the health workers that are going, these are people who are going to give up their holidays, they're going to give up their comfort. these are people who are sweating it out in their protective equipment. and yet they say we want to stay, we want to keep doing it. they're responding in the great spirit of american compassion. >> it is great to have you. good luck with everything. i learned i'm a johns hopkins mom. my daughter's home from vacation. "the rundown" with jose diaz-balart is up next. >> i know some of the critics of this action call it amnesty. well, it's not.