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It hadnt been prv tonigoven ob got a surge going, could be very slight but this thing is close. the purpose of the momentum argument that the romney people are making is theres something called a bandwagon effect in politics and people want to be on the winning side. so theres a sense of -- its not a huge effect but its something, if they get that going in their favor, that could be of help to them. >> can i make the point, one of the things obama has gone from in the election hes done it before...