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Might try to claim on victory day. it will be over the hard fight to get those fighters out of there. a tough challenge. joe biden this promising more support and military support. hes been talking about this land lease bill. we saw something similar at the end of world war ii. is that all ukrainians, do you think? to keep russia off ukrainian soil or as much of it as possible? yes. i mean, two things, right? despite them doing so well, they are losing weapon systems and the need to replace thos...

Fighters that are going to hold out so russia does not have mariupol yet despite what they are claiming and what they might try to claim a victory day. it will be over the hard fade to get those fighters out of the. over the tough challenge.— of the. over the tough challenge. joe biden this promising _ challenge. joe biden this promising more - challenge. joe biden this promising more support| challenge. joe biden this . promising more support and military support. hes been talking about this ...

Because it sounds like you are making quite a -- that would be seen as an escalation. am i understanding that right? >> look, i was an artilleryman 40 years. every night, we would get significant amount of information from sources, eyeballs on the ground communications, that was great. but we had to merge all of that in what we called a targeting board so that we knew not only the precise targets but where they were, what capabilities we would use against them, what would be the right amount of ...

Assessment? >> well, first of all, i think the american people understand the staggering amount of material that we have been providing to the ukrainians, not only the united states, but in fact, most of the western countries, 40 aside from the nato countries, and if were going to be providing tanks and missiles and drones and antitank capabilities, that kind of material that is so important, in my mind, it would be malpractice if we didnt provide some measure of intelligence to the ukrainians. ...

Right. the militarisation of space and the notion that the united states needs to develop its capabilities there has led the us to ban all space cooperation with china, but it did not and has not banned space cooperation with russia. now, youve been one of nasas leaders over the last decade, or two or three. do you acknowledge that the increased dependency of nasa on cooperation with russia, particularly in the last decade, has been a major strategic mistake? i think at this point what were seei...

But, but, retracted war is something -- because this is not where we want to go, we want to assemble critical mass with capabilities, again [inaudible] as soon as we can. so, not interested in a long war. >> i want to ask you about mariupol and the, azovstal steel plant. a lot americans itll be reminiscent of the alamo, its a last stand whether the ukrainians are able to prevail in that plant, theyre surrounded by russians. what do you know, we dont know much about mariupol, right? we get a rim ...

Retired major mike lyons. thank you so much for being with us. i want to pick up where scott left off there. even if all of the civilian whos are in the plant are able to get out safely, able to evacuate, youre still going to have hundreds of ukrainian troops there in a facility that has been under attack by russian forces for weeks. what is your sense of what may happen to those ukrainian forces? >> good morning, alex, and thanks for having me. theyre going to continue to fight. theyre in a loc...

They bombed hospitals. there is no restraint here. now, what you are seeing is some effective deterrence. ukrainians have very good cyber capabilities as well. they have had their own cyberattacks against russia. and russians know that we have very strong cyber capabilities. so if they were to use cyberattacks against the united states, i think they actually might fear that we would be using cyber offense against them to hit back. thats not troops on the ground. theres no body bags out of that b...

Critical mass with capabilities, again [inaudible] as soon as we can. so, not interested in a long war. >> i want to ask you about mariupol and the, azovstal steel plant. a lot americans itll be reminiscent of the alamo, its a last stand whether the ukrainians are able to prevail in that plant, theyre surrounded by russians. what do you know, we dont know much about mariupol, right? we get a rim information from the red cost whether theyre evacuate people with a western junior lets operating out...

Averse to leaking information about the u.s. intelligence contribution to these ukrainian military achievements. and thats caused some controversy with some people suggesting that this is too provocative to russia to talk about the u.s. contribution. but i dont think that the administration is overly perturbed by this. i think this is a form of deterrence for russia to let them know that we have their number, to let them know how much were doing in the case of helping ukraine and also to deter t...