A roundtable ensemble discusses and debates the day's news.
A roundtable ensemble discusses and debates the day's news.
>> juan: what i learned about this, i thought back to literature and mark twain who said -- >> jesse: i thought that too, juan. [laughter] >> juan: mark twain said that kind of profanity, if you will, gives a person a relief not even available to those who pray. it's a way to let it out. i think dana, in her defense, acted impulsively. in the gym, you have told me when people get near you with their weights, you get pretty tough. >> greg: i get angry. but i control my anger, jedediah bila and i'm sure you look up to dana. >> jedidah: dana is my mentor. my dog saw this, and she hasn't been the same. the thing about this that is so amusing is that dana is the only person on earth that something
like this could happen to you and you leave i knew somehow like her more. she's gotten more adorable. one thing i love about it honestly is that sometimes people think we sit here and everything we say is planned on stage. that was a real moment. that showed me you are actually watching and reacting in the moment what you felt, which is what you pretty much do all the time, what i love about you is that you say what's on your mind. that was a real moment. people crave that stuff. that's why when they see it, they are like yeah, it's a bad word but she's a real person that she had a human reaction and we like her more. >> juan: the thing about it, it's getting worse. that's the problem. i don't know if you were here the other day. greg said something to her the other day and her response was b.s. and then she said that was butter sticks. >> dana: in nashville, apparently butter sticks has become a thing. it's caught on a people are using it. i think i've done a service to the language. >> greg: butter sticks, if you
look in urban dictionary, it is something completely different. we had fans that were upset. we have a guest calling in who wanted to express i guess her opinion on this. do we have the collar? >> you do. hello, dana. >> dana: high matt, mom. >> i just wanted to tell you you are not in trouble. >> dana: that's my biggest fear my whole life is being in trouble. my fear of being in trouble. that would be the worst thing. i'm glad to know you don't think i'm in trouble. >> i think you called him exactly as he was. >> dana: thank you very much. >> jesse: this is not frowned upon? the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. >> juan: you can't go after her mother. >> greg: its "watters' world." he does it all the time. >> dana: i was telling greg earlier that as it flew out of my mouth and i felt so embarrassed and so mortified and i felt like i have, ever since
the, my junior year of high school when i got caught trying to skip school with tracy schilling and i got detention and you found out. do you want to tell america what you did to punish me? >> i will. it was a great moment. i kept my mouth shut for about seven months and wrapped up in a very nice christmas gift was the i received from the principal of the school saying my daughter had skipped school. >> dana: it ruined christmas. i am still upset about it. >> greg: that is a long play. to wait seven months. >> jesse: i know. i just got coal in my stocking. >> greg: did you give her another gift? >> dana: i think i got a boombox. >> the gift of language. >> dana: mom, do you want to say anything to jesse about his
mom texts? >> i love your mother's texts. i think the best thing would be if your mother and i teamed up, got together. we could make a new show. >> jesse: dangerous combination. let's not get ahead of ourselves. >> dana: i didn't get a chance to tell you this last night. you are not the only mom who called. last night, i was very embarrassed and i was really upset, one of our executives got a call from his mother making sure that i was not going to get in trouble. chris stirewalt called me the teachers packed because of that but the mother also said she was very upset greg was not here yesterday to witness the moment. i said don't worry. he will be getting me back. >> greg: from now on, this is going to follow you everywhere. >> dana: america, i apologize. mom, i apologize. thanks for sticking up for me. thank you for calling in. >> thank you for the apology. you're not in trouble. have a good show.
>> jedidah: she stuck up for the alligator. >> greg: the alligator always gets the last. what's the saying? you can be nice to the alligator. >> jedidah: his mouth was taped. >> jesse: i am upset and a little bit about the double standard going on here. other people at the table, you or juan or me, if anybody had said something like that, i am sure it would've been a huge deal. when you say it, it's cute and we are doing a segment on it. >> jedidah: that's what i'm saying. >> dana: i am all about ratings. wait until one more thing. >> greg: another four-legged friend? >> dana: thank you. >> greg: president trump drops the hammer on democrats. fiery in tampa.
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come in in the fall? >> democrats want to raise your taxes. they want to destroy our jobs. they want to crush our industries with crippling regulations. and you know the stock market is up almost 40% since that great november day. worst of all, democrats want to, you know that, they want to open our borders. they want to let crime, tremendous crime, into our country. can't do it. republicans won strong borders and no crime. the democratic party, they want to abolish i.c.e. in other words, they want to let ms-13 rule our country. that's not going to happen. >> dana: rallies are always fun to watch, jesse. one of the best things president trump has going for him, you can't beat someone with no one. the democrats haven't settled on anyone. it could be another year.
>> jesse: right now, maxine waters has the face of the democratic party, and that's frightening. nancy pelosi and crying chock, very unpopular. i love how the president's language is so stark and extreme. it's not just that they are soft on crime. they want ms-13 to run the country. it really puts a headline to these, you know, haymaker's this guy is throwing. it's succinct and quick and it fires up the crowd. looks like he is on two themes:: law and order, and you talk about crime and ms-13 and the borders, and the economy. on the economy, things are pumping. he's got nearly 3% gdp growth. wages are up. jobless claims way down. stock market is up. 401(k)s are bursting. it's a great message. some of the inflammatory rhetoric comes when he's talking about law & order and crime and the border. that can end up firing up the democrats when he does that. it's a tough balance.
but he is all in. >> juan: by the way, jesse, i think there is a pull out biden beating him handily. >> dana: don't you think that has a lot to do with name i.d., juan? >> juan: no. >> dana: the only other democrat making headlines -- >> jesse: there was also a poll that said hillary was going to beat trump. >> juan: who do the democrats have? we haven't had the midterms yet. >> dana: do you think former vice president biden can win a primary in this current climate when the democrats -- >> juan: it's not close among democrats. republicans love to focus on alexandria ocasio-cortez. they say it's the far left. they are so wacky. but most of the democrats, not only do they prefer biden, almost two to one over anybody else. hillary clinton who is not running. when you ask about, who do you
want for your candidate? it is joe biden. >> jesse: republican primary. you had jeb bush. rubio. and then when you get down to the debates in the caucuses, it's another ball game. >> juan: we are talking before the midterms, is my point. here's the thing about last night that drove me nuts. everyone saying look at the rally. what do i see? i see people, conspiracy theorists. >> greg: you saw one sign. >> juan: i saw people insurance. i saw seth rich science. >> greg: that's what you choose to see. you can find the fringe. there is more fringe on the left and right. i don't like them on either side. >> juan: where they attracted to trump? >> greg: it's an interesting question. if there is something extremely popular, it often includes all sorts of different people. you get mainstream, normal, common sense people, but you get
fringe people. you have a wide net. that happens everywhere. you want to smear an entire group of people, we do that to the left too. >> dana: i get that you were disturbed by it. greg, democrats making headlines this week are not the ones of the future. president obama announcing today he's going to endorse a whole bunch of candidates. it's like waving a red flag in front of republicans. >> greg: they are worried that there is a huge hole, and the thing is, what trump is doing, he is expressing the internal tug-of-war that always seems to work. republicans grow economy. democrats grow government. republicans want to get rich. democrats want to get the ridge. these are the stark choices. everything else, immigration, regulation, taxes, it all goes away. it's about expanding government versus expanding opportunity.
i think it's the way to go. the problem the republicans have is it's a three-way race. republicans versus democrats and media. those two participants agree to fix the outcome. you know what successes? it's losing less than expected. for 2018. when you are in power, you are going to lose. >> juan: advantage. the republicans is that they have lower expectations. >> dana: you should always lower expectations. >> greg: a flesh wound, no major arteries. >> dana: can i get jedediah in here? >> juan: let me finish one point. what was this business about christmas? i don't get it. >> dana: where have you been? >> greg: you don't get christmas? >> jedidah: the fact that there was political correctness for so long and is these likes to hear is going, like he sees it. >> juan: did you notice the date? it is august 1st.
he's back to the war on christmas? he will do anything. >> dana: get your shopping done early. president obama, in his endorsements, he left out every woman veteran running for congress. maybe he doesn't -- maybe he doesn't think he needs to help them. it's a note. >> jedidah: that's a big mistake. i think your point, to go back to joe biden, i agree with you that joe biden could be an interesting choice. i interviewed joe biden, and i will say he's got something similar to trump. trump appeals to people. he can talk to the collar workers. he makes things feel tangible and real when he talks about the economy. joe biden can do that too. joe biden's only problem is that he is tied to president obama and the obama administration policies people were running from when they embraced trump. the same problem hillary clinton had. if he does run, he's going to have all that baggage. >> dana: president trump is
going to pennsylvania tomorrow. he's going to be campaigning for barletta. it is also where biden still has a pretty stronghold. remember the story. president trump, the only state he's worried about is pennsylvania. you'll want to watch that rally tomorrow night. >> greg: there is another rally? >> dana: yes and another one on saturday. >> juan: about greg, you need a 90 to buy my groceries in pennsylvania. >> greg: juan, you need an i.d. to buy certain groceries. i know that for a fact. >> jesse: cigarettes, alcohol. >> greg: if you want to buy any kind of -- you know they would not sell me some kind of decongestant. i was sick as a dog but they wouldn't sell it to me. >> jesse: because you look like an addict. >> dana: president trump creating a frenzy in washington for saying attorney general jeff sessions should end the russia
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any potential interview. mueller agreeing to reduce the total number of questions but still wants to focus on inclusion and obstruction of justice. someone sent me something, dana, on twitter. it showed a headline from "the new york times" and the late '90s and it said something like "bill clinton's attack on ken starr is working." is this something similar to what president trump is doing? an attack, not an obstruction of justice. >> dana: if i were the white house, i would say that too. last week we found out they mueller investigation is looking at president trump's tweets and looking at that is possible obstruction. today he sends a thing that looks like an order. if the president says that to you in a tweet coming say is it an order? she says today its opinion. it makes sense. if you want to stay consistent, you should say it's an opinion. does that mean all presidential statements on twitter are an opinion? we're never going to know.
i think attacks on investigators, they work to some extent. the approval rating or the believability rating, credibility rating of mueller, the fbi, they've gone way down. but i think there's a cost to that in the long run because you don't know -- the investigation is not going to end unless he decides to call an end to it that he could do it. asking jeff sessions doesn't make any sense. jeff sessions is recused. if we bring that up, he's gonna get more matter jeff sessions for recusing himself. >> jedidah: this drives me crazy because i want him to stop tweeting about this. i don't know what to do to get him -- if he thinks it's a witch hunt, fine. if he thinks it's biased, fine. a lot of americans happen to agree with him on that. but you're giving ammunition to the other side to say you are consumed with this, that you're worried about it, that you have something to hide if you keep tweeting about it. reminds me of the girl who
breaks up with the bad boy friend. you know and she's over him and she's moved on to better things because she stops talking about him. i want him to stop talking about it. you want to tweet, i understand. tweet about the economy. tweet about the regulation. tweet about positive stuff about campaigning around the country to get republicans elected. but this makes it look like you are consumed with it and it gives ammunition to the other side. >> jesse: he is consumed with it, that's clear. he believes it's totally rigged. juan, do you believe the president is sincerely making an attempt to sit down with robert mueller and that will happen? or is he just playing footsie when, in the back of the office, his legal team is saying no way, jose. >> juan: we know the legal team is saying no way, jose. the question has been wise president trump continuing to say i'm willing to sit down. i think it does deliver a politically positive message that he feels he has nothing to hide, no collusion, nothing happened. but none of his lawyers, even
his former lawyers, is of that opinion. today when he goes after mueller with his tweets again, he seems to fire it up. he went to the point of saying that the ongoing trial of paul manafort, a he said who is being treated worse? al capone, public enemy number one, or paul manafort? i don't get it. now he's defending paul manafort. his name hasn't even come up. i don't know why he would want to hire paul manafort, but he did. now he is defending paul manafort as manafort's trial is going on. talk about suspicious behavior. >> jesse: probably the worst higher trump has ever made. >> greg: there's a few that have competed with that. >> greg: for me, the evidence is less about the trump-russian collusion the media, democrats. they say they didn't spy on the camp campaign. i get it. nms 13 are not animals. okay. this is a personal thing for me
because i have been through this stuff. i think it's funny that a staff takes a meeting in their own building and somehow that's worth and paying for russian dirt through a british spy. try to explain it to me. it's not going to work. here's the deal, the media doesn't get this. when you work for a living and you are in charge of something, you take meetings. your staff takes meetings. i took meetings with people that turned out to be so skeevy. they turned out to be really, really shady dudes. there was a guy. about these meetings, trump could say check it out. they are coming to us. see them for 20 minutes. no big deal. there was a magazine for sale, a big and famous one, and they were down to the last meeting until they realized the guy who was buying the magazine was imposter pretending to be his
dad. this stuff happens all the time. if you are not working in business, you're not aware how incidental a meeting is. you have dozens of meetings. >> juan: you are making a great point but you know these people are russians, and this was an american election. >> greg: i met with canadians once. >> juan: you end. i give up, america. >> jesse: a high-tech twist to the gun control debate. the outrage over downloadable 3d weapons.
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has he's championing the second amendment in the 21st century. but many critics worry the plastic weapons are untraceable and undetectable. president trump weighing in, tweeting his looking into the issue and he's spoken with the national rifle association. some democrats putting the blame right on president trump. >> he complains about terrorists crossing the border, but he wants to let them have guns. undetected. what kind of hypocrisy is this? >> it's his doing. it's his responsibility. in the blood is going to be on his hands. >> juan: pretty strong language, dana. >> dana: even though it skips over a lot of the points and a lot of the legal issues and all those things, if you are just hearing old, my gosh, they are making 3d printable guns and you're going to have plastic guns. the democrats, they are playing politics but they are playing it
those are good points. the president says i know you are concerned. i read a lot today about how this is a first amendment issue, a free-speech issue, a legal issue. how the state department decided to let this case go, not to keep fighting it in court, as the obama administration had filed a lawsuit in the first place. i can see why the public is concerned. it takes a long time to dig in and try to understand. but i will say also 3d printers are coming, and there's a lot of technology that's going to be able to be made at home. washington and laws are not at all close to keeping up with it. >> juan: jedediah, i am interested in the argument coming from cody wilson who wanted to put out the blueprint for how to make the guns. he says he's a second i'm a champion. he says it's good for america. he says it's fundamental to human dignity david everyone should have one of these. apparently, if you've got 5,000 bucks, you could get the type of
printer that would produce and undetectable, untraceable gone. >> jedidah: when i read the headlines, undetectable, untraceable, it is scary. but you look into it, they are not undetectable or untraceable. the guns have metal parts. there is some plastic and some metal components. that line just doesn't work. i find it really interesting. people have been making their own guns in this country since forever with different technologies and whatnot. i find the selective outrage. you can find blueprints for guns and how to make guns all over the internet from other people. all of a saturn, the media cares about this issue very deeply. i find it interesting, now that trump is in office, certain things are important. this is like the childhood detention centers for the people coming over crossing the border illegally. they were separated into these cage like structures. that was in existence since 2014. we had pictures of and under the obama years. all. all of a sudden, the media cares deeply.
if you care about this and you're worried about the slippery slope of what happens of one day it is a fully plastic gun, how do we control it? it's fine if you're worried about children in detention centers and the conditions, i get it. but why just now. why is that all of a sudden, and it's because, as you can see with the democratic politicians, they want to pin it on trump even though trump is saying hold on a second. i don't have all the details. i want to look into it and i may want to do something. why is this his fault? >> juan: i'm not going to answer that one because i think the people want to take the president to take a strong stand is my impression. jesse, you said you don't care about this issue. you should tell americo y. >> jesse: thanks for setting me up with that. i don't understand the technology. it still baffles me you can print a gun. i feel stupid just watching that. who could invent that. americans are incredibly brilliant. of all things to print, i would
not have printed a gun, but that's fine. this reminded me of the school shooting in florida. scott israel, does he still have a job? talking about a 3d guns. there was a massacre in the school less than a year ago and the sheriff down there still has a job. i would like to know where that stance. maybe we should talk about that instead of this fantasy. >> greg: do you know where i build my guns? okay. here's a fact. 25 years of data from the bureau of justice shows there's been a proliferation of gun possession accompanied by a dramatic decline in gun violence. it's dramatically declined. 7.3 person per 100,000 down to one person for homicide. the proliferation of guns increases. more guns does not lead to more crime.
it leads to less crime. scream at the tv all you want. it's a scientific fact. legal 3d guns will not lead to some kind of gun apocalypse. there will be fewer gun crimes. having said that, it's incredibly difficult to build a gun. it's easier to buy a gun. gangs aren't going to be interested. they are not going to download or get their 3d printer. >> jesse: $5,000. >> greg: i don't believe the public is concerned about this whatsoever. the only way you are concerned by this is if people are chasing you with false fear. this is not a problem. it's a positive thing. by the way, the technology is out there. it's going to happen. it's the eternal debate of technology. good versus bad uses. a box cutter opens boxes but it turned a plane into a missile. these things happen. is it like building a bomb or a go-kart?
for most people, i don't know. >> juan: you and i have argue this forever and ever. but we do have a lot of mass murders. >> greg: that's true. but gun violence has declined. >> juan: okay, but i would say the tsa says they are finding more and more of these guns that they say are undetectable. >> greg: it's more about finding ways to detect. >> juan: if you are big into planning your social life, you might want to think twice about it apparently. the revealing reason, we will tell you next right here on "the five" ." so you have, your headphones, chair, new laptop with 24/7 tech support. yep, thanks guys. i think he might need some support. yes start them off right. with the school supplies they need at low prices all summer long.
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and then i get mad if someone asks me to do something additional. like, i can't do it this week. can you do it next week? it's too much. it's very good advice. a few years ago, i tried something in january. i called it no plan jan. i tried not to have any plans for peter and me. i said i'm not going to have any plans in january, which meant my husband and i were free to do whatever. the problem is usually by about 10:00 a.m. on a saturday, i'm like, so what are we going to do today? i like to know so i can plan ahead. i'm guilty of it. >> greg: i knew no plan jn. she was a barrel of laughs. come on over. what are you doing? no plan jam. drink all day and throw up in the garbage can at midnight.
>> jedidah: i used to be the academic dean in a school in one of the issues i dealt with was kids use to come in and they would be super, super stressed out because they were overscheduled all the time. do you worry, having kids, i imagine, doing all these activities. are you worried by scheduling their activities that putting too much on their plate that was once a fun thing that becomes i've got to go to soccer practice and art class. >> jesse: the twins are way overscheduled. soccer, dance, swim team. when i was young, my mom would kick me out of the house. i would play all day. i don't have a problem not planning. i don't do a lot. i go to the gym and i go out to eat. there's not a lot there. >> jedidah: when do you prepare for the show? >> jesse: i'm talking about
the weekends, dana. it's clear that i prepare a lot. have you listen to me talk to the juan? >> jedidah: i'm not a planner. i'm going on my honeymoon next week. we planned almost nothing. are you a planner? the planning makes me crazy. i like to get out and see what happens. >> juan: that's cool. i like that ethos. the other people in my life don't like it. things like tickets to a baseball game or i've already purchased tickets for the play helps to enforce the idea that my wife and i are going on a date, that were going to have time together. if it's up to me, sad to say, i work a lot. i would just keep working. i think i've got to make that call or write this and then the time goes away. >> jedidah: over planner or under planner? >> greg: i have a 3d planner. planning creates anxiety. i dread vacations for that. just don't tell me when we are going to do something.
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>> dana: august 1st it's a very special day for all of the rescue dogs across the world, this is the day designated to celebrate all of the birthdays for rescue dogs. it was a tradition started ten years ago and as a way to celebrate your furry friend, he's the cause of my potty mouth -- we've got kevin's dog and lots of other viewers sent in their dogs. because i know jesse loves the cake, i got him a cake to help celebrate, happy birthday to all of the dogs out there. >> greg: i am my own rescue dog. this book is doing great, if you haven't purchased it yet you are dead to me, but come back to life. this is for you guys in texas. saturday i'm going to be at fort worth barnes & noble and at dallas barnes & noble saturday
and on sunday woodland texas. i would love to talk to you, now it's time for this. i was at the gym the other day, check this guy out. amazing muscles. i think it might be vin diesel, i'm not sure. look at those biceps. >> dana: he got those on a 3d printer. >> greg: he is going to get the ladies. gorgeous lemur. >> juan: big boys cry too, it's a fact. that's what happened when wayne johnson surprised his longtime stunt double and cousin 10y read. >> i want to say from the bottom of my heart i love you, i thank you and enjoy your new truck.
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very seldom is it just a random act of violence. in this particular case, that is exactly what this was. narrator: as the years pass since sierra's murder, detectives in calcasieu parish, louisiana, refused to let the case go. mcgee: it was so frustrating. i lived and breathed this case. i just felt so drawn to it. so we were open to everything that everybody had to say -- every tip, every idea. narrator: and that search for something new turned up a possibility when dna analyst monica quaal saw a web seminar from a cutting-edge forensics company called parabon nanolabs. quaal: we were contacted by a neighboring agency saying that they had some interesting science that a new agency was doing, and they were interested in sharing with us. narrator: parabon claimed that they could take dna evidence to a completely new level. they said it was possible to put a face on unidentified dna,
don't need to hear this. what you are arguing is just so preposterous. it doesn't mean that they won't, but if that does happen, it's possible for this to go, the federal case to go in march. if not, i think we are going to see a reversal. we are going to see the state new york case go at the end of march. that should take 4 to 6 weeks and i can see judge chutkan slotting in right after that. the florida case is the one where judge cannon has technically kept that date, but she is going to hear from the parties, she said, in the beginning of march, as to whether that is a feasible date. so i think that case is likely to be pushed off, which, from jack smith's perspective, is probably just fine to have a bigger case, the january 6th case, slot in second. >> neal, just for a second to
c. circuit, the nation's second highest court, just a couple of days ago. i expect that court is going to throw out trump's claims really quickly, and trump has always been hoping united states supreme court will get that case and stopped his trial pending it. i'm just not sure that's right. there is so little to trump's claims that it is perfectly plausible to think u.s. supreme court's not gonna hear the case and not going to delay trump's trial. so much fourth or thereabouts can still occur. >> andrew, what do you still see when you have this trial calendar? >> the same reaction as neal listening to the argument, and particularly judge pan take apart the argument. many ways just getting the lawyer to actually say what they are arguing because it was so preposterous. so the more that argument went on, the more you thought, i think, as neal does that the odds of the supreme court saying, you know what? don't need to hear this. what you are arguing is just so preposterous. it doesn't mean that they won't, but if that does happen, it's possible for this to go, the federal case to go in march. if not, i think we are going to see a reversal. we are going to see the state new york case go at the end of march. that should take 4 to 6 weeks and i can see judge chutkan slotting in right after that. the florida case is the one
with the opportunity, the only person with the motive to take brian out of this world. and he did it. and he committed this heinous crime masterfully. >> the defense and its motion took a swipe at ken thompson, the agent for who two decades would not let the case go. >> you do not bad people, because the lead investigator is retiring, and, once this case resolved. just so we can close the book. >> agent thompson was not even the courtroom. he carried around so long. >> i had to get out of there. i didn't want to listen to it anymore. i needed to reflect and be alone. think about it. >> the jury went out the first thing the next day. they did not determine as quickly as they wanted to.
only person with the opportunity, the only person with the motive to take brian ryan out of this world. and he did it, and he committed this crime masterfully. >> the defense and its closing took a swipe at -- the agent who for two decades would not let the case go. >> we don't convict people, because the lead investigator is retiring and wants this case resolved. just so we can close the book. >> but agent thompson wasn't even in the courtroom to hear the lawyers, and the case he had carried around so long. >> i just felt the need i had to get out of, there i don't want to listen to, it had to get away and reflect. >> the jury went out first thing in the morning the next day, they did not return as quickly as one side at least
>> exactly. that's getting lost here amid this debate about trump's defense he can declassify anything. none of these three statutes require that the information be classified. the doj's position is these are u.s. government documents, property of the government, not donald trump's, it is illegal to steal them and it is illegal to mutilate or conceal them to obstruct an investigation, and then you have the espionage act which requires an intent to harm the united states, which suggests that the fbi at least has suspicions about the motives in storing these documents. >> so, when might we hear something and how would they decide whether to even take the extraordinary step of indicting a former president. >> there is so much we don't know because we haven't seen that affidavit of probable cause or the fbi lays out the justification. there is a couple of possibilities here. one is that this was just about getting the documents back, the fbi has their documents, that's the end of it. another is that there were crimes committed here about the mishandling of information and we'll see a case go forward. and then a third most ominous possibility is it is something even worse that, about what was donald trump doing with those
0 man that wants to see a house who is single. every time. i could have been a victim. i was an intended victim. that this sunday, the fbi's mar-a-lago search. >> upholding the rule of law means applying the law evenly, without fear or favor. >> fbi agents remove 11 sets of classified documents from donald trump's florida home, including top secret files. after attacking the fbi for the search -- >> the fbi raid of president trump is a complete abuse and overreach of its authority. >> it is joe biden's doj, and they have weaponized this fbi at every turn. >> -- some republicans tone down their rhetoric. >> you would think there would be an adult in the republican room that would say, just calm down, see what the facts are. >> what's in those documents? why did mr. trump keep them? and was national security compromised? my guests this morning, democratic senator amy klobuchar and republican senator mike rounds. plus, what kind of legal jeopardy could the former president face? i'll talk to nbc news legal analysts chuck rosenberg and andrew weissmann. also, violent reaction -- >> subject armed. fired several shots at officers. >> a man apparently reacting to the fbi's search is killed by authorities after trying to attack the bureau's cincinnati office. will others be moved to violence? and the midterms outlook, from the kansas abortion vote -- >> i hope we inspire other states when they get the opportunity to vote to really think about a woman's choice. >> -- to a string of successes for president biden. signs that the expected republican red wave may be weakening. joining me for insight and analysis are eugene robinson, amy walter, matthew continetti, betsy woodruff swan and michael beschloss. welcome to sunday. it's "meet the press." from nbc news in washington, the longest running show in television history, this is "meet the press" with chuck todd. >> good sunday morning. chuck todd is off today. even by donald trump's standards, it's been an extraordinary week. first came word of the fbi's search at mar-a-lago, for classified documents. while that prompted an it's about time reaction by some on the left, the noisiest voices on the right were calling for everything from the abolishment of the fbi to civil war. then on wednesday, the former president who once said pleading the fifth amendment was for mobsters and the guilty did so himself more than 400 times in a new york civil suit. the list of items removed by the fbi at mar-a-lago and revealed on friday included 11 sets of classified documents, five sets were top secret, three sets were secret and three were confidential. and there are still so many unanswered questions. what kind of legal jeopardy does the former president face, could he be in violation of the espionage act, what do we make of claims by mr. trump that he had already declassified the documents, will the calls for violence from the far right inspire more people like the man who attacked an fbi office in cincinnati and was eventually killed by authorities and how will an already divided country survive this latest stress test between mr. trump and the law? >> faithful adherence to the rule of law is the bedrock principle of the justice department and of our democracy. upholding the rule of law means applying the law evenly, without fear or favor. under my watch, that is precisely what the justice department is doing. >> and joining me now is nbc news justice and intelligence correspondent ken dilanian. ken, what do we know about the documents seized at mar-a-lago? >> good morning, andrea. the warrant tells us the fbi seized five sets of documents marked top secret. that means information that if disclosed would pose exceptionally grave danger to u.s. national security. but among that was one set marked top secret sensitive compartmented information, and as you know, andrea, from covering the intelligence community for a long time, that means information that is so secret, only a small group of people inside the u.s. government can see it, those who have a need to know. we're talking about things like cia -- names of cia sources in moscow or images from the most advanced spy satellites. this information was so sensitive that the fbi agents who took it out of mar-a-lago would have had to take it to a special facility. we're talking about the most protected secrets in the u.s. government. >> you have to even read them in a vault. so what about the urgency, the former president said he cooperated, they had to go with a search warrant, that's what has outraged so many people on the right. >> right, and people are asking, well, if it was so urgent, why did it take a year? it is becoming clear as we learned more about this investigation that the fbi only gradually came to learn that there was this extent of classified information sitting there at mar-a-lago, and there was a progression here. the national archives turned over 15 boxes of records, there was classified information in it, they referred it to the justice department, which began investigating, we know the top counterintelligence official was down in mar-a-lago meeting with trump officials in june, they handed over some documents and they were assured there were no classified documents left and they learned that may not be true which led them to serve the search warrant. >> we confirmed that they had an informant. so does it even matter if the documents were classified because the three potential crimes that were listed in the search warrant don't require the documents to be classified. >> exactly. that's getting lost here amid this debate about trump's defense he can declassify anything. none of these three statutes require that the information be classified. the doj's position is these are u.s. government documents, property of the government, not donald trump's, it is illegal to steal them and it is illegal to mutilate or conceal them to obstruct an investigation, and then you have the espionage act which requires an intent to harm the united states, which suggests that the fbi at least has suspicions about the motives in storing these documents. >> so, when might we hear something and how would they decide whether to even take the extraordinary step of indicting a former president. >> there is so much we don't know because we haven't seen that affidavit of probable cause or the fbi lays out the justification. there is a couple of possibilities here. one is that this was just about getting the documents back, the fbi has their documents, that's the end of it. another is that there were crimes committed here about the mishandling of information and we'll see a case go forward. and then a third most ominous possibility is it is something even worse that, about what was donald trump doing with those documents, why did he have them there, some of the documents would be worth billions of dollars to our adversaries, andrea. >> alarming, obviously to national security officials. ken dilanian, thank you for bringing us up to speed. and joining me now is democratic senator amy klobuchar of minnesota, who serves on the judiciary committee. senator klobuchar, welcome back to "meet the press." >> thanks, andrea. great to be back on. >> it is good to see you. so let me ask you, what is your reaction to what was found in mar-a-lago, the search warrant, and, of course, the boxes of material including classified material? >> this is very serious, andrea. and my first reaction is to stand with the men and women of the fbi who are simply doing their jobs. what was found in that -- in mar-a-lago, we don't know exactly what's in those documents, but what we do know is it rose to the level of a search warrant which a federal judge approved. we do know they were searching for classified material, things that fell under one of the statutes they used in that search warrant was the espionage act. another one was that you can't destroy federal documents or you can't take federal documents out of secure locations. as a senator, i know when i look at the classified documents, i've got to go in a special room, andrea. i can't even wear my fitbit. you can't bring staff with you. and that's because these documents not only contain our nation's top secrets, but because there are countries that would do us harm, do harm to our own citizens, we don't want them to get a hold of them in any way, take photos or anything, they can reverse engineer them and figure out who the sources are, what the confidential information is. that's why it is so important that these documents remain in safe locations. and mar-a-lago, where you can check out croquet sets and tennis rackets and golf clubs, that's not one of them. >> do you think that they could have done this cooperatively, that they could have just used a subpoena? why take the unprecedented step of going in, with fbi agents on a surprise search? >> as attorney general garland has explained, someone of just utmost credibility and integrity, the justice department tried to negotiate this. we now know this from multiple sources, it has been reported, for months, they tried to negotiate with the trump lawyers about what was going on, and, in fact, now we're learning from reporting from "the new york times" that they actually had been told there were no classified documents in his home. and now we learn another story, and there must be people that are giving the justice department information that they knew that those documents were still there, that is why it rose to the level of a search. now, remember, this isn't a criminal prosecution, no charges have been filed. but what really happened here was a judge looked at this and said, yeah, there is evidence, enough evidence to warrant a search warrant to go in there and retrieve those documents that are of high national security classification. these are the nation's secrets. >> this has all been unprecedented. do you believe if the attorney general decides that crimes have been committed that it should take the incredible step of indicting a former president of the united states? >> andrea, it's not my place to -- i don't have all the evidence. this is going to be up to the justice department to make a decision about what happened here, why it happened, and if it rises to the level of a crime. i will say in america, we know as a great man once said, the law is king, the president isn't king. and i would add to that, the former president isn't king. everyone has to follow the laws. >> let me ask you about some of the outrage from elected republicans. some have called for civil war. some have said attack the fbi. some of your own colleagues have had very strong rhetoric. what do you think? >> this concerns me so much, andrea. we already saw from the insurrection, the effect that donald trump's language, that he has so many people out there that will just follow him and he feeds on that, and he sends out messages to them. look at what just happened in cincinnati. one of his followers who had taken part in the insurrection tried to kill people, fbi agents, and then there was a major security problem, he ends up getting killed, the whole thing goes down. this is the kind of things that result when you've got a president that attacks law enforcement and attacks the law. i thought in the old days republican party used to stand with law enforcement. and i hope some of them do today because this kind of rhetoric is very dangerous to our country. these are career men and women that are simply doing their job, their boss was actually, christopher wray was appointed by donald trump. and that's why we have the fbi director oftentimes their terms go between republican and democratic administrations because it is a career appointment. and that piece of it is so important for people to understand, that this is beyond politics, they're simply doing their jobs, and we have to let them do their jobs. >> what about the political impact, though, donald trump is fund-raising on this as are other republicans. do you think this would rally the republican base and hurt democrats in the midterms? >> all i'm focused on right now from a political standpoint is what we have gotten done. and that's an incredible amount of work. everything from the inflation reduction act, i think when you look at what democrats are talking about at home, we're talking about bringing down costs for people by taking on the pharmaceutical companies. yes, this is going on simultaneously. and that's because justice doesn't stop. justice department has to do their jobs. but at the same time, i know in minnesota, what people are talking about at the cafes. they're looking at the gas prices which, by the way, have gone down every single day for nearly two months. they're looking at the fact that finally we have been willing to take on the pharmaceutical companies. that we're going to start making semiconductor chips in america today that we need for everything from our cell phones to our cars. they're still talking about ukraine and the fact that we got 99 to 1, the president was able to push through the treaty that allows finland and sweden, matters in minnesota, to be part of nato. they're talking about standing with our veterans when we have got those horrible issues of so many of them getting sick and by being located next to burn pits and how the republicans messed around with that. we have a lot of things to talk about politically as we go into midterms where we are delivering for people, and have people's backs. and so that is what i believe is the focus, delivering for people, bringing down costs for families, and we believe this is a separate matter. this is for the justice department. and why does it get political? when the republicans make it political. when you've got the president out there on truth social, the same guy that, by the way, taped in georgia saying to the secretary of state, hey, get me 11,000 more votes. americans don't like when people are messing around with their elections. and so if it gets political at all, it is because he is making it so. >> thank you very much, senator klobuchar. thanks for being on "meet the press." >> great to be on, andrea. thank you. and joining me now is republican senator mike rounds of south dakota. he serves on the armed services and foreign relations committees. senator rounds, welcome back to "meet the press." >> thanks. i appreciate the opportunity to visit this morning. >> well, we're really happy to have you here. so earlier this week you said the fbi search must be justified and that you had serious questions about the integrity of the justice department. having seen what they retrieved, including all these classified documents, has that answered your question about the need for them to go in? >> i think it brings more questions, and i think it is important that we recognize that there are -- there is more information to be released yet. i think releasing the affidavit would help. at least that would confirm that there was justification for this raid. but, remember, this is also a case of where we're going to have more questions as they continue to develop as they look through the information, the material that they have garnered at mar-a-lago. perhaps they will share some of what their concern was, they'll share a little bit about the reason for going in and doing it this way. there will be a question about whether or not they did exhaust, as attorney general garland said, all other means to do this rather than making this unprecedented move on the home of a former president. this is a -- this is a very historic attempt and a challenge really in -- with regard to looking at a former president and whether or not they want to bring any kind of charges against him. this is a change and this is something that will go down in history and it will be studied for years to come. but in the meantime, i think most republicans would prefer to look right now with the 2022 midterms coming up, we much would prefer to focus on what the policies are right now that are hurting our economy, and as my friend amy klobuchar said, they want to talk about what they think is the right direction to go, and clearly here in south dakota, where i'm from, i went to a street dance last night, i'll tell you what, the folks in ft. pierce, south dakota, are talking about why gas prices are still high, what the cost of hamburger is, they're talking about why in the world we want to have 87,000 new bureaucrats in the irs out chasing down and trying to audit them, and those are the types of things that they're learning about, those are the things that they're scratching their head on, and that's the focus that i think democrats would prefer not to have right now, and if they can get to the former president, with all the popularity he's gaining and all of the support he's getting from his supporters right now, if they could get him to announce right now in the race, they would love to have that because that would take all the air out of the atmosphere right now and the challenges that they face with regard to the economy at this time. >> well, let me play some of the rhetoric, some of the comments, by some of your colleagues about the search. and ask you about it on the other side. >> i know doing this 90 days before an election wreaks of politics. >> i think it is an attack on the rule of law. this is the fbi being used as a political weapon against your opponents. >> we should be alarmed at the way that the department of justice and the fbi have gone after someone. >> doesn't the fact that so much was found, including classified documents, when the president and his lawyer had affirmed according to "the new york times" that they had turned everything over, doesn't that justify a search, unannounced search? for months and months they tried to get cooperation, didn't they take every step they could have taken? >> i think the last part of your question is probably very important. i think it would be good for the justice department to release some of the information about the extraordinary steps or the steps they did take to try to cooperate with the former president. i also think this will bring into question one constitutional issue that has not been talked about, and that is whether or not a president can declassify or classify certain items. i think constitutionally back in 1988 there was a supreme court decision u.s. navy versus egan in which they actually talked about whether or not a -- a president could classify and declassify and it never really has been litigated, but it appears a president can classify or perhaps declassify information. and if that's the case, then the question would be, and i think it will be litigated as this moves forward, whether or not that was completed while the president was in the white house at that time. and i think that will be part of the discussion moving forward. in the meantime, yeah, there is concern out there and believe me, republicans out there are questioning why in the world are you going after a former president right now, but you didn't go after other individuals who clearly had classified documents or information that was sensitive and you did not do that in the previous administrations? >> in this case, some of the information was compartmentalized and you know that's the most secret, that includes sources and methods and you have to be in a vault to see it, so in any case those documents should not have been at mar-a-lago in the basement. but the classification issue is going to be litigated most likely as you point out, but in this case, the potential crimes listed on the warrants, those three crimes don't require there to have been classified documents. it just requires these papers that could damage national security to be inappropriately held. >> and as i said earlier, we do have more questions. and, look, i'm not one of the individuals out there that says that you immediately attack the fbi or the justice department. i think this is very important that you provide them with the opportunity to lay out their case. but i think it is very important, long-term, for the justice department, now that they have done this, that they show that this was not just a fishing expedition, that they had -- that they had due cause to go in and to do this, that they did exhaust all other means, and if they can't do that, then we have got a serious problem on our hands. if they are able to do that, and to come forward, they should do that as quickly as they can, and they should share that with the american people, because this is a time in which with regard to the institutions in this country, we want the american people to have faith in their institutions, we want them to see that they're not -- that they're not political, and that they're not being politicized particularly during an election year. but, you know, at this point, i think it is very important that -- i'm hoping that if they actually did this and that they recognized how serious this was, that they did have their act together before they went in and did this and that it was not a fishing expedition. it is up to them to be able to share with the american public a logic behind what they did, the facts they had, what caused it, and i think releasing that affidavit would be important, but i think -- i think attorney general garland really does have a responsibility not just to take accountability for it, but to share with the american people why they did this. we still have more questions than we have answers. >> let me ask you quickly, given that they did take all this material, boxes of material, and classified documents as well, and given how casual he was about securing documents, that's been well established when he was president, do you think that should disqualify him from being president again and would you vote for him if he runs? >> i'll keep my powder dry with regards to your last question. i think right now we're going to focus on the 2022 election. we want to retake the house. we definitely want to retake the united states senate. i think in doing that, our goal is to focus on what is going on right now with the american people, we're going to focus on the fact that inflation is still over 8.5%. we are still talking about gdp, which has been going down. as you know, sharing breakfast with the former chairman of the federal reserve, anytime you got two quarters in a row, you are in a recession. we want to see us get out of that recession and we want to see gas prices come down. they're still a buck and a half higher than when joe biden took office. those are not good policies to run on for democrats. we need to focus on that, and as we get past that, and get into the 2024, i think the republican will be well positioned, but let's get past the 2022 election first. >> and we're not in a recession yet, but we'll wait and see what does happen and we really want to thank you. very good you come on. >> two quarters tell you differently than that. >> that's out of date. out of date. even according to republican economists. in any case. when we come back, how much legal jeopardy does former president trump face? i'll talk to two of our top legal experts to break it all down when we return. stay with us.
only person with the motive to take bryan rein out of this world. and he did it. and he committed this crime, masterfully. >> reporter: the defense, in its closing, took a swipe at ken thompson, the agent who for two decades wouldn't let the case go. >> we don't convict people because the lead investigator is retiring and wants this case resolved just so we can close the book. >> reporter: the jury went out first thing in the morning the next day. they did not return as quickly as one side, at least, expected.
amendment protected speech. hence a federal civil rights lawsuit. >> there is a lot more that will develop with this. mccray plans to run as a republican for the massachusetts state senate next year. dana. >> dana: thank you, alexis. we'll keep an eye on that. >> bill: former wisconsin congressman sean duffy, good morning to you. you have nine kids, right up your alley. the things she said on the video want to make sure they aren't being taught to the country was built on racism. where does her case go, sean? >> it's a good case. the right to free speech and the fact that the school board is saying that if she is going to be opposed to crt it will be an negative interface with the community it shows how deeply crt has been rooted inside of our education system, whether it's teachers, school boards, administrators. you can't come out as a potential candidate and be opposed to crt and i think again this as a parent of nine kids and parents across the country are seeing this on our